#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-08-23

[00:22:28] <anarchos> Connor: what kind of mill do you have?
[00:22:37] <anarchos> i have been looking into a power draw bar for my X2
[01:16:51] <mazafaka1> What ball end mill 200mm long can I buy? Its diameter would be about 20-25mm?
[01:41:31] <toastyde1th> what in jesus's name are you doing with a 200mm endmill
[01:42:25] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: He's making a syringe
[01:42:43] <toastyde1th> i have no idea where you'd get a 20 cm long endmill
[01:42:47] <toastyde1th> that's longer than jesus
[01:43:01] <toastyde1th> Actually I have used an endmill that long
[01:43:22] <toastyde1th> except it was 150 mm in diameter
[01:43:42] <Jymmm> ?!
[01:44:47] <toastyde1th> there was a similar endmill that I never used but was in the shop that was 450mm long and 150mm diameter
[01:45:07] <toastyde1th> It had a cat-50 taper ground right into it
[01:45:49] <mazafaka1> Oh
[01:45:56] <mazafaka1> wait
[01:46:12] <mazafaka1> We think ofmilling machine
[01:46:35] <mazafaka1> with vertical spindle, 4-axis one + tool changer
[01:49:17] <mazafaka1> And to mill one detail there's a vertical step 200mm, so we think of ball end mill to create finishing,roughing will be done with regular end mill
[01:51:51] <mazafaka1> I'm about to choose the milling machine. I think of HAAS VF-6/50
[01:53:14] <mazafaka1> The problem is we will need a tool that long, and ball end can be sharpened how? We will probably make regular end mills from used ball end mills...
[01:54:15] <Connor> anarchos G0704
[02:01:22] <toastyde1th> lol, you do not want to make a regular end mill into a ball end mill
[02:01:25] <toastyde1th> that shit is not reasonable
[02:01:40] <toastyde1th> you can resharpen ball end mills with a radius grinder
[02:01:46] <toastyde1th> they cost about 6k used
[02:01:58] <toastyde1th> something like a cinci r-12
[02:04:13] <Deejay> moin
[02:23:24] <mazafaka1> 6k - too much
[03:02:29] <IchGuckLive> hi
[03:03:09] <IchGuckLive> mazafaka keep in mind that the toolchanger can significant reduce the VF6th vertical space
[03:03:24] <IchGuckLive> bye
[08:29:48] <Tom_itx> mazafaka1, http://www.harveytool.com/prod/Extra-Long-Length-End-Mills/End-Mills/Browse-Specialty-Carbide-Cutting-Tools---End-Mills_135/End-Mills---Ball-Extra-Long-Length_117.aspx
[08:32:08] <Tom_itx> they don't get much longer for practical reasons
[08:32:54] <SpeedEvil> It's a conspiracy
[08:34:07] <SpeedEvil> I guess you could make somewhat longer endmills with diamond.
[08:34:15] <SpeedEvil> Though that has major issues of its own
[08:34:26] <SpeedEvil> otherwise, you need to redesign the cutter to take lighter cuts
[08:34:33] <Tom_itx> too much vibration
[08:35:05] <Tom_itx> iirc we had some longer than that but they were bigger diameter
[08:35:18] <Tom_itx> for cutting the 'hat' on a funnycar blower
[08:35:56] <IchGuckLive> hi all i will be moving today so started to tear down all inet presence
[08:36:28] <IchGuckLive> will leve this channel after 6 goos years
[08:36:47] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, once you do, steal wifi from your neighbor until you lock the doors !
[08:37:20] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[08:37:33] <IchGuckLive> next naibour is about 6 miles awa
[08:37:53] <SpeedEvil> Need a tower.
[08:38:11] <IchGuckLive> valey is 120m Depth
[08:38:47] <IchGuckLive> pk yoiutube is down ;-)
[08:39:44] <ReadError> you are erasing yourself from the internet?
[08:39:51] <IchGuckLive> i will say thanks for all your help here in all those years and leave the channel BYE !
[08:40:06] <ReadError> o.0
[08:40:15] <SpeedEvil> odd
[08:40:57] <ReadError> funny, his last word was autocorrected im pretty sure ;)
[08:40:58] <Deejay> forever gone?
[08:41:17] <Deejay> i think he thought a long time about his last words ;)
[08:50:17] <Jymmm> I think he's just a bot
[08:50:33] <Jymmm> not a real boy!
[08:52:31] <Deejay> hrhr
[08:52:45] <Deejay> good morning Jymmm ;)
[08:52:57] <syyl_ws> he is gone!
[08:53:03] <syyl_ws> time for a beer?
[08:53:05] <Jymmm> Deejay: howdy
[08:53:13] <CaptHindsight> he just retired
[08:53:50] <Jymmm> Fucking google, now they are spamming "get paid"/"pay others" via email.
[08:53:59] <CaptHindsight> he's moving to a national park to be a ranger for the next 5 years
[08:54:06] <Jymmm> (aka google wallet)
[08:54:32] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: To become a real boy?
[08:55:47] <Jymmm> If that's true, that's a hella of a jump, wish him all the best!
[08:56:40] <Jymmm> Maybe he can make a racoon powered cnc beaver
[08:56:49] <Deejay> lol
[08:56:51] <CaptHindsight> yeah, he said no phone line even where he's going
[08:57:06] <Jymmm> BIG CHANGE then
[08:57:22] <Jymmm> racoon would be a tool changer I think, my bad
[08:57:32] <syyl_ws> maybe a flintstones-car?
[08:57:36] <syyl_ws> with a hole in the floor
[08:58:01] <Jymmm> Nah, something you would find in a national park
[08:58:11] <syyl_ws> trash?
[08:58:30] <Jymmm> Thats fucked up. True, but still fucked up =)
[08:58:46] <syyl_ws> :)
[08:59:23] <CaptHindsight> lets see if he pops back up here in 2019 or 2020
[09:00:52] <Jymmm> Headlines: Ranger burns down National Park forest after building machine and not using collant.
[09:01:04] <Jymmm> coolant*
[09:02:12] <syyl_ws> :D
[09:22:16] <CaptHindsight> who makes the highest powered shop vac?
[09:23:33] <Jymmm> Amsterdamn
[09:24:02] <Jymmm> shop vac or dust collector?
[09:24:21] <CaptHindsight> vacuum cleaner
[09:24:34] <Jymmm> Eh, they're all the same
[09:26:29] <CaptHindsight> there's no Binford 10hp shop vac?
[09:26:50] <Jymmm> Just a 400 HP one.
[09:27:01] <Jymmm> UG UG UG
[09:30:32] <Jymmm> Ok, I stand corrected... There REALLY is a 10 HP shop vac... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLyn9hxxu1A
[09:34:13] <syyl_ws> got a new shop vac at work
[09:34:14] <syyl_ws> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/QMTL2/IMAG0505.jpg
[09:34:19] <syyl_ws> about 8hp
[09:34:23] <syyl_ws> 3phase
[09:34:42] <syyl_ws> with dust seperator
[09:35:53] <PetefromTn_> Mornin' all
[09:39:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.carymfg.com/vacuum-systems-industrial.htm
[09:40:39] <CaptHindsight> syyl_ws: is it stationary or would you have to build a cart for it?
[09:41:02] <syyl_ws> it has wheels :)
[09:41:14] <CaptHindsight> what brand is it?
[09:41:14] <syyl_ws> but it sits all time next to the cnc router i run
[09:41:18] <syyl_ws> "ringler"
[09:42:33] <syyl_ws> i have to excuse
[09:42:42] <syyl_ws> only 5pointsomething hp
[09:43:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ringler-gmbh.de/ringler_en/products/Industrial_vacuum_cleaner.htm
[09:43:11] <syyl_ws> http://www.ringler-gmbh.de/ringler_en/products/Suction_cleaners/RI_331/99824400.htm
[09:46:25] <CaptHindsight> syyl_ws: will this effect you? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28878432
[09:47:13] <CaptHindsight> will the EU be dustier as a result? :)
[09:54:58] <syyl_ws> ;)
[09:55:10] <syyl_ws> i hope the vacs produce less noise and heat in the future
[09:55:13] <syyl_ws> and suck more ;)
[11:23:51] <jthornton> I have one vacuum that sucks and one that makes lots of noise
[11:27:52] <Tom_itx> i wore one out cleaning sheetrock off the floor
[11:28:00] <PetefromTn_> I have two shop vacs. One is a Hoover that is AWESOME. It is also quite large and I used it for years. Then I damaged the hose input area and broke the switch when something fell on it in the shop so my daughter got me a large shop vac brand model. It is nice too but not NEARLY as powerful as the hoover is. I fixed the hoover switch so it stays on whenever it is plugged in now.
[11:30:03] <PetefromTn_> The Hoover I used to suck up some spilled coolant one time and when I did it felt like a commercial pool pump or something I was amazed at how quickly it sucked up the fluid. Spilled some water in the shop one time and tried the shop vac and it seemed like the water would get stuck in the hose and I had to keep lifting the nozzle up vertical to clear the hose. WAY less powerful than the hoover.
[11:33:57] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: what model is the Hoover?
[11:34:39] <PetefromTn_> Not sure, do you mean year or model number? Folks around here when they ask what model they are referring to the year of something LOL
[11:34:42] <CaptHindsight> I have to open the units and brush off the filters to get them to work well
[11:35:18] <CaptHindsight> especially after anything wet or damp has been sucked in
[11:36:31] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: heh, i don't think that having the year it was made will help me track down the part/model number
[11:37:04] <CaptHindsight> sounds like car culture
[11:37:11] <PetefromTn_> sure
[11:37:33] <PetefromTn_> Its old now I just got the info from it. Trying to find a link or picture. Probably don't make it anymore.
[11:37:51] <CaptHindsight> http://hoover.com/products/details/l2310---/guv-prograde-garage-utility-vacuum/
[11:37:51] <PetefromTn_> Its a hoover Deluxe 16 gallon wet or dry
[11:41:39] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I cannot even find a picture of it online.
[11:44:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.vacpartswarehouse.com/Hoover-S6755-s/1081.htm This looks like its close anyways. It has a dual tank setup inside it. You don't have to switch anything to go from wet to dry. Just change the port slider on the front. There is a vac ball in a cage that stops it from overflowing and frying the motor.
[11:45:36] <CaptHindsight> yeah, looks like it's out of production
[11:45:57] <Tom_itx> http://www.vacshopusa.com/s6631.htm
[11:46:45] <PetefromTn_> yup that looks like it too. Its a powerful vac that much I can tell ya LOL.
[11:47:06] <CaptHindsight> looks similar a shop-vac or Rigid
[11:47:11] <PetefromTn_> We used to use it with a floor shampooing setup and it would work ALMOST like the commercial stuff removing the dirty water.
[11:47:15] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, check one of those models at the top of the pic
[11:47:20] <CaptHindsight> they probably had a good seal
[11:47:22] <Tom_itx> maybe one is still produced
[11:47:42] <Tom_itx> or get a whole home vac like you posted
[11:48:01] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know it does but I can honestly tell you having used the best rigid model the largest one anyways and the shop vac ones they SUCK LOL in comparison. Not nearly the vacuum power.
[11:48:46] <PetefromTn_> The new shop vac I got for Christmas from my daughter is nice but it does not hold a candle to the hoover in suction power.
[11:49:36] <PetefromTn_> I used to suck up all the chips and metal from the RF45 with it and it would grab large chunks and stuff this new one does not even move them. WHo knows maybe I just got a good one and the rest of them suck too...
[11:50:56] <Tom_itx> http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/reviews/power-tools/6-top-shop-vacuums-tested
[11:53:08] <Tom_itx> http://vacuums.bestcovery.com/best-shop-vacuum?sem=3243514341dsa&gclid=CjwKEAjw9-CfBRD8lt_w86zJiDUSJAADZA38Zn-gg4ijGZp8waRv1ftuUYyZplKy6m8t9_LR9d4z_xoC_fzw_wcB
[11:53:47] <Tom_itx> one even has a built in water pump
[11:55:57] <ReadError> best thing I ever did
[11:56:04] <ReadError> buy a vac from lowes w/ replacement plan
[11:56:11] <ReadError> it breaks, i bring it back and get a new one
[11:56:30] <CaptHindsight> ReadError: how many times can you do that?
[11:56:38] <ReadError> you just buy the warranty again
[11:56:41] <ReadError> 15$
[11:56:42] <PetefromTn_> Interesting. Looks like that rigid model is decent. Apparently they no longer make the one I have. The rigid they show in that article is a lot different from the larger one I used recently at a friends house.
[11:56:49] <ReadError> the guy at the store told me in the future
[11:56:52] <ReadError> call the #
[11:56:59] <ReadError> and they will just send you a gift card
[11:57:03] <ReadError> and you can throw out the old one
[11:57:19] <CaptHindsight> not bad
[11:57:28] <ReadError> yea I kill them pretty fast
[11:57:32] <PetefromTn_> perhaps they have improved the breed LOL
[11:57:33] <ReadError> brushes burn out
[11:57:42] <ReadError> need brushless vac ;)
[11:57:50] <Tom_itx> use better filters
[11:57:55] <Tom_itx> and replace them
[11:58:05] <ReadError> Tom_itx, its hours
[11:58:11] <ReadError> I use 2 cyclones and HEPA
[11:58:21] <ReadError> but I leave it running for 8hrs a day sometimes
[11:58:36] <Tom_itx> maybe you need an industrial one then
[11:58:48] <ReadError> nah, I have a lowes replacement plan ;)
[12:00:11] <CaptHindsight> the filters are the main problem I have, they get clogged in no time, so I'm outside with the compressed air reversing the crust off of them
[12:00:33] <ReadError> if you get the hepa shopvac ones
[12:00:36] <ReadError> you can wash them with a hose
[12:00:39] <ReadError> lifesaver
[12:00:43] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, what do you use it for?
[12:00:57] <Tom_itx> we had a large industrial table made to do debur work on
[12:01:07] <Tom_itx> the whole worksurface was the inlet
[12:01:28] <Tom_itx> had racks of filters
[12:01:32] <CaptHindsight> one is for the sand blaster, that just gets clogged every few days with fine sand in the filter
[12:01:52] <ReadError> do you have a cyclone?
[12:01:59] <ReadError> another best investment ive made
[12:02:10] <Tom_itx> that would probably help
[12:02:11] <CaptHindsight> these are shop-vac and rigid
[12:02:45] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-38bxCSt/0/X2/CA_12151314233265-X2.jpg
[12:02:53] <ReadError> saved all that crap from the filter
[12:02:59] <ReadError> dont have to clean and swap them nearly as much
[12:03:03] <CaptHindsight> the others are just for general shop floor and chip collection when cleaning up
[12:03:25] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight get a separator and put it in front of it
[12:04:07] <Tom_itx> http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/cyclone-separator-shootout/
[12:05:19] <CaptHindsight> it's always another project :)
[12:05:43] <humble_sea_bass> filtering is a tailored pain in the ass no matter the industry
[12:06:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rockler.com/dust-right-dust-separator
[12:06:29] <Tom_itx> http://www.oneida-air.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=AXD000004&CatId={6EE79B16-EB63-43E7-8F30-1E06240A24A4}
[12:06:34] <Tom_itx> that one won their review
[12:06:38] <Tom_itx> cheapest
[12:07:07] <CaptHindsight> easy to empty as well
[12:07:11] <ReadError> yup thats what i use
[12:07:13] <ReadError> amazon ;)
[12:07:22] <Tom_itx> is it just a bucket or does it have a cone inside it?
[12:08:01] <ReadError> you just cut a hole in the lid of a bucket
[12:08:01] <Tom_itx> do like the old oil bath air filters did on autos
[12:08:03] <ReadError> bolt it on
[12:08:21] <Tom_itx> put the inlet in a few " of water
[12:08:32] <Tom_itx> in a tall 20gal bucket
[12:08:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.oneida-air.com/static.asp?htmltemplate=static/industrial.html
[12:10:24] <CaptHindsight> probably not good for wet or oily chips
[12:12:27] <koss> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002JP315K/fpv-20/
[12:12:28] <koss> good reviews
[12:13:06] <humble_sea_bass> >>Dust Deputy
[12:13:25] <Tom_itx> that's probably the top of the one in the reviews
[12:13:36] <Tom_itx> with no bucket
[12:17:58] <humble_sea_bass> THE dust deputy is the best dust separator?
[12:18:46] <CaptHindsight> the bucket makes it harder to clean :p
[12:18:47] <humble_sea_bass> I don't see how that thing doesn't short circuit
[12:18:48] <Tom_itx> acording to this: http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/cyclone-separator-shootout/
[12:20:43] <CaptHindsight> I could mount one to a 55gal drum on wheels
[12:20:59] <Tom_itx> yup
[12:21:35] <Tom_itx> make the lid detachable and just swap drums once it's full
[12:21:39] <Tom_itx> sell the scrap
[12:22:02] <CaptHindsight> well more than half is random junk
[12:23:48] <Tom_itx> the full drum would be harder to dump
[12:24:06] <CaptHindsight> maybe add some larger HVAC filters before it reaches the final stage
[12:24:16] <CaptHindsight> forklift to the dumpster
[12:25:44] <Tom_itx> this sounds like it's turning into a project now
[12:27:02] <CaptHindsight> HF dolly for the drum and a hole saw to the lid, might be 30 minutes or less
[12:33:57] <humble_sea_bass> Cap, are you generating fine dust or just swarf?
[12:35:14] <CaptHindsight> it's everything, I just hate having to clean filters so often, especially when wet goes in after dry fine powders or sand
[12:37:37] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZRLwiq4jko#t=803
[12:38:26] <humble_sea_bass> I think this guy's separator would perform better because of the added radial distance from the edge of the can
[12:41:53] <humble_sea_bass> this guy built a really handsome deputy
[12:41:55] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXs7UtQMZtA
[12:43:08] <CaptHindsight> firefox keeps segfaulting on youtube today
[12:44:10] <humble_sea_bass> it isn't any better in chrome these days
[12:44:37] <humble_sea_bass> basically he made a large dep out of polycarbonate
[12:46:01] <CaptHindsight> I thought it might be plugins but it just segfaulted in safe mode with all add-ons disabled
[12:56:06] <Tom_itx> guy's got more time than i do
[13:05:37] <SpeedEvil> Brother built a cyclone for wood dust.
[13:05:51] <SpeedEvil> From wood - like a barrel
[13:09:48] <humble_sea_bass> is your brother the Woodgears guy
[13:10:44] <humble_sea_bass> http://woodgears.ca/dust_collector/separator.html
[13:25:17] <zeeshan> lol
[13:28:30] <zeeshan> i has a dust deputy
[13:28:43] <zeeshan> got it from my friend
[13:28:44] <zeeshan> thing is awesome
[13:36:30] <humble_sea_bass> the sound of a shopvac makes me want to off myself these days
[13:36:56] <JT-Shop> http://www.gnipsel.com/images/plasma/Plasma%20Diet%2001.jpg
[13:36:57] <humble_sea_bass> i should invest in one of those end suction blower things that mount on th wall
[13:43:07] <SpeedEvil> humble_sea_bass: that's a plastic bucket
[13:47:56] * JT-Shop almost has a perfect slide now... just a tad tight on the top and bottom slides
[14:40:35] * JT-Shop finally got the correct combination of tightening order to get slop free and slide easy!
[16:13:13] <jdh> prety pockets
[16:17:35] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what you making?
[16:17:47] <Tom_itx> smells like plasma
[16:53:36] <Deejay> gn8
[18:26:33] <XXCoder> lol this is nice http://fantasyfootballart.tumblr.com/
[21:02:36] <Jymmm> 220VAC LED 16mm lamps http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-220V-LED-Indicator-Pilot-Signal-Light-Lamp-16mm-RED-Green-Yellow-White-Blue/261282516557?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D24191%26meid%3D98551885dca7455390222f9cced70d9c%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D10283%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D141056851692&rt=nc
[21:03:45] <Tom_itx> is that for your christmas tree?
[21:04:21] <Jymmm> Jsut if anyone is looking for some.
[21:05:19] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Hey, to atmels have a long clock? Not RTC, but the ability to count for years if power is not removed?
[21:05:34] <Tom_itx> not that i'm aware of
[21:05:41] <Tom_itx> unless the xmega series has it
[21:05:54] <Jymmm> Yeah, no I'm goin for the nano stuff actually.
[21:05:55] <Tom_itx> some have rtc
[21:06:17] <Jymmm> really?
[21:06:21] <Tom_itx> and can use a clock crystal on the 2nd timer
[21:06:26] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:06:40] <Tom_itx> i know the 128 has it
[21:06:47] <Tom_itx> sure others do too
[21:07:12] <Jymmm> Ok, not really needed. Just need a way to track on/off event duration and repeat it
[21:08:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/misc_stuff/mega128.jpg
[21:08:32] <Tom_itx> the little one by the chip is a clock crystal
[21:08:56] <Jymmm> ah, how long wide is the pcb?
[21:09:06] <Tom_itx> .6 wide iirc
[21:09:13] <Jymmm> ouch, to big
[21:09:22] <Jymmm> too*
[21:09:22] <Tom_itx> you could make it smaller
[21:09:38] <Tom_itx> or find another chip with a rtc
[21:09:44] <Jymmm> I was just going to use headerless nano
[21:09:54] <Tom_itx> the 328 might
[21:11:14] <Tom_itx> it does
[21:11:39] <Tom_itx> the crystal goes across TOSC1 & TOSC2
[21:11:52] <Tom_itx> then timer2 becomes a rtc counter
[21:12:57] <Tom_itx> what chip does it have?
[21:18:08] <Tom_itx> it has the rtc on it
[21:18:39] <Tom_itx> you'd have to add the 32.786khz crystal to the pins
[21:26:38] <Jymmm> I was thinking like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nano-3-0-Controller-Board-Compatible-with-Arduino-Nano-CH340-USB-Driver-/360944680489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5409fabe29
[21:30:57] <Jymmm> When a reed switch says N/O is that alone, or with a magnet near it?
[21:31:22] <Tom_itx> alone
[21:31:36] <Jymmm> Oh, you sure?
[21:31:41] <Tom_itx> the nano has the mega328 chip which has the rtc on it
[21:31:52] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what day it is...
[21:31:58] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: lol
[21:32:10] <Jymmm> ok, thanks. I take that as a definant maybe then =)
[21:32:30] <Tom_itx> i'm quite sure NO is with no magnet
[21:33:02] <Tom_itx> i got a bunch of em for something once...
[21:33:05] <Tom_itx> never used em
[21:33:45] <Jymmm> Ok, then I need NC.
[21:33:49] <Tom_itx> that site also sells panties
[21:33:54] <Jymmm> wait...
[21:34:19] <Jymmm> Yeah, NC then. when the magnet is removed I need it on