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[02:20:41] <Deejay> moin
[02:24:09] <Deejay> Jymmm, are you sleeping? ;)
[02:24:21] <Jymmm> yes
[02:24:24] <Jymmm> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[02:26:33] <Deejay> ok, dream well then ;)
[06:25:44] <skunkworks> wonder if andy has seen this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIcV710ACk&index=4&list=TLh3aF9unGicfWxL_0sSWGWRiA6g29fXOx
[08:11:12] <_methods> anyone in here know of a U.S. hot dip aluminizer?
[08:11:30] <_methods> i'm going to talk to AK steel later today
[08:11:57] <_methods> but was just wondering if anyone else in here had ever had parts aluminized after fabrication
[08:16:03] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://www.alumiplate.com/ aluminum plating to most conductive substrates, might be beyond your requirements
[08:17:40] <_methods> hmm
[08:17:49] <_methods> i don't see anywhere any specs
[08:18:00] <_methods> like what materials and sizes they can process
[08:19:26] <_methods> ahh ok well i guess they can do f22 landing gear
[08:19:59] <_methods> that might be big enough i'll have to hit them up
[08:20:01] <_methods> thx for the link
[08:20:14] <CaptHindsight> it's pure aluminum on any thing conductive, if it's not conductive it's possible to you an intermediate like Tin and then aluminum plate
[08:20:30] <_methods> it's steel
[08:20:32] <CaptHindsight> sorry for the typos
[08:20:56] <CaptHindsight> no problem, we have even anodized over steel
[08:21:13] <_methods> they're giving me a astm callout for the material though
[08:21:17] <_methods> astm a787
[08:21:19] <archivist> or like printed circuits where they use a conductive carbon layer
[08:21:20] <_methods> t1-25
[08:21:33] <CaptHindsight> I'm not sure how big their chamber is
[08:21:42] <_methods> have to see if aloomiplate fits that astm
[08:25:55] <archivist> thinking of anodizing there is a local steel girder bridge that has had a steel anodising process done on it, very even looking rust
[08:26:06] <SolarNRG> hi guys
[08:26:25] <SolarNRG> I've begun work on my hefty CNC machine, can I show you some photos and ask for your guidance on this matter please?
[08:26:50] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[08:26:56] <SpeedEvil> Is it over 50000lb?
[08:27:01] <CaptHindsight> archivist: is it this type?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weathering_steel
[08:27:01] <SolarNRG> Hi Speedevil, long time no see?
[08:27:07] <SpeedEvil> hey
[08:27:09] <_methods> the more pics the better
[08:27:11] <archivist> without pics there is no proof
[08:27:18] <SolarNRG> Well its 100mm 5mm thick box steel and 28mm stainless rails
[08:27:30] <SolarNRG> Have a browse through my gallery:
http://imgur.com/YL75tKq,ck0INho,wLrG7vY,c70t2zX
[08:27:49] <SolarNRG> first image is my idea of rails I'm going for the tri-grip pulley method
[08:28:05] <SpeedEvil> That is quite a big screw you have there.
[08:28:19] <SolarNRG> you think that thread will handle milling mild steel?
[08:28:44] <skunkworks> the threads will - the rails probably wont...
[08:28:45] <archivist> CaptHindsight, dont know, there is another bridge on the same junction that is painted, I was told it was an experiment
[08:28:51] <SolarNRG> third image I wanna know how can I stop my gf's psychology books from getting covered in metal filings and cutting fluid?
[08:28:57] <SolarNRG> the rails are solid bar
[08:29:01] <SolarNRG> 28mm stainless
[08:29:54] <SpeedEvil> 28mm is quite flexy
[08:30:00] <SpeedEvil> unfortunately
[08:30:28] <SpeedEvil> Stiffness goes with thickness ^3
[08:31:00] <SpeedEvil> A 50mm bar is 6 times as stiff as 28mm
[08:31:13] <SpeedEvil> How long is the unsupported length of the bar?
[08:31:17] <archivist> move books to another room
[08:31:36] <SolarNRG> well they are 1.2m lengths but I'm only hoping the entire length of the machine to be a mere 80cm
[08:31:37] <_methods> or kill that bitch
[08:31:40] <_methods> then it won't matter
[08:31:57] <SolarNRG> lol but then who would breastfeed the baby?
[08:32:17] <_methods> haha i didn't say i had a plan
[08:32:20] <_methods> just a solution
[08:33:30] <SolarNRG> if i move the books I can't get hte 100mm beam level
[08:34:37] <SolarNRG> main thing is eliminating all clatter from the system
[08:34:42] <SolarNRG> that's what leads to innacuracy
[08:35:18] <SolarNRG> and if you're telling me that a 3kw cnc spindle on those rails is going to sag weave and bend then maybe I'm better off NOT drilling a 29mm hole through that but getting hold of some pipe and filling it with concrete
[08:35:23] <CaptHindsight> SolarNRG: try stacking boxes or magazines
[08:35:57] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: A 25mm square stainless beam, unrestrained at the ends, and loaded with 100kg in the middle will deflect 1.7mm downwards.
[08:36:08] <SpeedEvil> (the thingy I'm using doesn't do round beams)
[08:36:14] <SolarNRG> that adds up to quite a lot
[08:38:00] <SolarNRG> so I really want stainless rails as thick as the pillar of my drill then
[08:38:08] <archivist> if the bar is bolted to the box at regular points then it would be more sensible
[08:38:25] <SolarNRG> I was planning on spotwelding it into the 29mm holes in the box steel
[08:39:05] <archivist> show us a drawing of the final shape
[08:39:07] <SpeedEvil> If the bar is restrained at the ends - so it can't twist - then it gets better than 1.7mm
[08:39:13] <SolarNRG> hang on
[08:39:27] <SpeedEvil> this needs actual structural welding - as the forces are quite high
[08:39:48] <SpeedEvil> Scaffolding pole mays suit well
[08:40:57] * archivist worries about squareness of welded structures
[08:43:52] <JT-Shop> are we making a silk purse from a sows ear again?
[08:44:42] <_methods> is this that circle cutter guy again
[08:44:54] <archivist> at least one can use a sows ear to attempt to make a version two
[08:45:05] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[08:45:16] <SpeedEvil> And in principle measuring how crap your machine is is quite easy
[08:45:19] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Why, you need more trinkets for your ear necklace?
[08:46:23] <SolarNRG> ok here's my diagram of what I'm trying to build:
http://i.imgur.com/cnwJyxy.jpg
[08:48:04] <archivist> move the outer verticals to under the rods
[08:48:10] <Jymmm> skate bearing trucks?
[08:48:21] <SolarNRG> yeah that's my plan, machien it all so it locks together perfectly square and level then weld then fill with concrete
[08:48:32] <SolarNRG> nah heavy duty crane pulleys
[08:48:57] <SolarNRG> jymm:
http://imgur.com/YL75tKq,ck0INho,wLrG7vY,c70t2zX#1
[08:49:14] <archivist> but you then mounted the pulleys in thin brackets
[08:50:12] <SolarNRG> I didn;t show it but I've angle grinder cut these /\ shaped bits of metal I'm gonna weld the thin brackets to them on both sides to this 200mmx300mm plate and that's gonna be my linear bearing
[08:50:15] <SolarNRG> 6 pulleys each side
[08:50:41] <SolarNRG> hang on ill take a snap and show u real quick
[08:56:49] <SolarNRG> here:
http://imgur.com/5VAiTzg
[08:57:23] <SolarNRG> these are the brackets I'm gonna weld to the 8mmx20mmx30mm plate and the thin metal brackets
[08:57:43] <SolarNRG> because I know that metal's too unsupported but it worked great as a guide for how to position the pulleys
[08:57:51] <SolarNRG> you think it'll work?
[08:58:09] <SolarNRG> obviously I'm gonna grind off all the brass coating off the thin metal before I begin
[08:59:12] <SolarNRG> I made like 20 of these and only 8 are like perfect, some of them were too thin on one side and didn't "lock in" nicely so I had to sort of cut them too big then grind them down till they were perfect
[08:59:50] <Jymmm> If instead of welding, if you got a block of solid material the same profile, you could get rid of those nut spacers you have, and tap the block to accept the bolt directly
[09:00:30] <SolarNRG> 14mm hss tap? hmm worthy investment
[09:01:06] <Jymmm> ...and the bolts would have less flex/play I would think.
[09:02:55] <SolarNRG> I had doubts over welding the bolts, figured the bearings might "warp"
[09:03:12] <SolarNRG> even just a tac might have irrevocable consequences
[09:03:29] <archivist> never get bearings hot
[09:04:06] <SolarNRG> my idea was to make a square cut under the 200mmx300mmx8mm plate just big enough to acess the bolts at the bottom
[09:04:32] <SolarNRG> maybe like 150mmx40mm
[09:05:00] <SolarNRG> so the house shaped plates can weld onto the lip the bracket can sit on top snug and there's space to put a socket set in to tighten the bolts
[09:05:38] <SolarNRG> but I'm having 2nd thoughts now you've told me that 28mm stainless solid bar will sag by 1.7mm
[09:05:42] <archivist> that metal is nowhere thick enough for a metal milling machine
[09:06:33] <SolarNRG> the 8mm thick house brackets? or the 2mm thick standard ones I got bolted into the pulleys?
[09:06:47] <archivist> you need to learn about stiffness
[09:06:55] <archivist> 2mm is puny
[09:07:08] <SolarNRG> right can't I weld over it loads?
[09:07:50] <archivist> think about how it will bend under load
[09:07:53] <SolarNRG> I think you might be right, even with reinforcing it might be too weak
[09:07:56] <Jymmm> Metalagra
[09:08:33] <SolarNRG> Well we clamped the metal house brackets together and me and my gf both stood on the bar it was fine
[09:08:34] <archivist> and I think you are forgetting any lifting moments in use
[09:08:45] <SolarNRG> but as you say we didn't notice mm bends too small
[09:09:05] <archivist> use a dti to measure bending
[09:09:16] <SolarNRG> link to a good dti?
[09:10:07] <SolarNRG> how well does concrete filled pipe hold up on the old bending just out if interest?
[09:10:51] <SolarNRG> *out of interest
[09:11:02] <archivist> concrete cracks, it is the outer beam which matters
[09:11:22] <SpeedEvil> Unless you prestress it
[09:11:49] * SpeedEvil is in the middle of trying to make prestressed fibreglass concrete panels
[09:12:00] <Loetmichel> what i really ask myself sometimes: what would happen too a pipe bending wise if you put a threaded tod thru it and apply some nuts and lots of pressire to the ends=?
[09:12:01] <SolarNRG> explain?
[09:12:31] <SolarNRG> how about the 5mm thick 100mmx100mm box steel is that any good?
[09:12:39] <archivist> concrete cannot withstand tension
[09:13:26] <SolarNRG> all this talk is making me tense, forgive the pun
[09:13:28] <Loetmichel> archivist,: inside the steel pipe it just acts as a "filler"
[09:13:35] <Loetmichel> not as a load bearing element
[09:13:44] <SolarNRG> sorry all this torque is making me tense
[09:13:48] <Loetmichel> to prevent nicking in of the walls
[09:14:06] <archivist> Loetmichel, are you trying to teach granny to suck eggs?
[09:14:22] <Loetmichel> oh, should i have made a ? at the end?
[09:14:31] <Loetmichel> i meant to ask if that is right
[09:14:31] <SolarNRG> You're right according to this table conrete's got shite tensile strength:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength
[09:15:06] <archivist> Loetmichel, its main use is damping when poured internally
[09:15:22] <SolarNRG> But it says there's this Zylon Polybenzoxazole stuff that's got greater tensile strenght than steel
[09:15:30] <SolarNRG> would pouring that stuff in the machine help?@
[09:15:30] <Loetmichel> wouldnt loose sand better for taht?
[09:15:51] <Loetmichel> for damping
[09:15:57] <SolarNRG> less clatter right
[09:16:20] <SolarNRG> mV=Mv mroe massive machine less momentum
[09:17:41] <SolarNRG> woah tool steel is like 10x the tensile strength of standard stainless!
[09:18:16] <Loetmichel> solar: but it shatters on hammer impact
[09:18:23] <Loetmichel> btdt
[09:18:33] <SolarNRG> yeah the more tense the more brittle
[09:18:59] <SolarNRG> like glass keeps flat until you bend it enough then it smashes and you get a bit of broken glass in ur eye
[09:19:04] <Loetmichel> not a nice feeling when the chisel esxplodes in your fist ,-)
[09:19:30] <SolarNRG> sounds like a lot of stored energy waiting to be released in something that tense
[09:20:47] <SolarNRG> it says my stainless rods should be about 520 for cold rolled which I'm guessing they are
[09:20:53] <Loetmichel> not stored energy
[09:20:57] <SolarNRG> And my scrap box steel is probably about 448 Mpa range
[09:21:16] <Loetmichel> just a 2kg hammer hitting a chisel and a concrete lump on the other side
[09:21:19] <Loetmichel> *BANG*
[09:21:32] <Loetmichel> <- *picking steel shards from palms*
[09:21:37] <SolarNRG> ouch
[09:21:59] <Loetmichel> and hitting it HARD to drive a 4mm thick steel nail into the concrete
[09:22:24] <Loetmichel> usually it took the happer blows to send a 20mm long 4mm nail into the concrete
[09:22:40] <Loetmichel> and at some time the hollowed chises had enough
[09:22:55] <Loetmichel> three hammer bliows
[09:23:49] <Loetmichel> http://www.lieske-elektronik.de/artikel_obo-bettermann-3100189-duebel-mit-gewinde-m6x18mm-903__528533.htm
[09:23:52] <Loetmichel> these nails
[09:24:15] <SolarNRG> tungsten's got better tensile strength than most abundant steels
[09:24:28] <SolarNRG> If only you could buy a solid tunsten carbide drill bit it would last like forever
[09:24:35] <Loetmichel> http://www.lieske-elektronik.de/artikel_obo-bettermann-3031012-setzeisen-duebel-903-915__811341.htm this chisesl
[09:24:52] <SolarNRG> got a higher vickers hardness too
[09:25:41] <SolarNRG> You'd probably have to hire an engineer to make you one, can't find any for sale except for offshore drilling companies and they only make ones like really big
[09:26:09] <SolarNRG> so yeah, what's your advice, work with the 28mm stainless bar or not?
[09:32:29] <SolarNRG> because once I've drilled a 29mm hole in that box steel there's no way I can make it bigger without misalignment
[09:34:01] <SolarNRG> say I went out and got some 50mm instead, you think solid or pipe? if pipe what thickness u advise?
[09:40:10] <SolarNRG> guess everybody's gone to sleep, ok thanks for your input guys and thanks for checkign out my wip cnc machine
[09:44:28] <Jymmm> God luck!
[09:44:32] <Jymmm> Good*
[09:45:13] <Jymmm> this tape will self-destruct in 5 seconds...
[10:05:27] <PetefromTn_> Mornin' folks
[10:29:26] <t12> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152539428340659
[10:30:10] <archivist> broken flash was it anything we must see
[10:36:58] <t12> something about last scissor maker in sheffield
[10:43:38] <PetefromTn_> Apparently they are making a lot more now and selling them on the internet according to the video. Nice to see real craftsmen making things that last.
[10:46:08] <archivist> much better link is direct to BBC (already seen it anyway)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28581597
[10:59:59] <Jymmm> Good interview/video of the scissors...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IitTC4PqcOI (I had no video in the BBC link)
[11:02:25] <SolarNRG> sheffleild steel good stuff
[11:02:38] <SolarNRG> if its good enough for saddam's supergun then its good enough for a pair of scissors
[11:02:59] <t12> i think the bbc link no work in the US
[11:03:04] <SolarNRG> get a vpn
[11:03:12] <skunkworks> worked here
[11:03:53] <archivist> you should be redirected to the bbc.com site for overseas
[11:12:44] <PetefromTn_> both links worked fine for me here in Tennessee LOL
[11:27:55] <JT-Shop> anyone have a slick way to hold this part to cut the 10 degree bevel on the top face?
http://www.gnipsel.com/images/Briggs/W26%20Cam%20End%20Support.JPG
[11:28:31] <Jymmm> dimensions?
[11:28:36] <Jymmm> apx
[11:28:38] <ssi> sine bar?
[11:28:41] <SpeedEvil> 10 degree?
[11:28:47] <SpeedEvil> oh - the top face
[11:29:02] <PetefromTn_> maybe put tow of them on either side of the vise sticking out horizontally and cut them that way?
[11:29:16] <SpeedEvil> Freehand it on a belt sander
[11:29:38] <syyl_> tilt the head of the machine by 10deg
[11:29:49] <PetefromTn_> locate with a vise jaw stop.
[11:30:26] <syyl_> or chuck with a 10deg prism in the vice
[11:30:30] <syyl_> and facemill the bevel
[11:31:13] <JT-Shop> oh no I don't like to tilt the head, but I have a sine bar
[11:31:23] <PetefromTn_> if the bevels on the sides are all the same angle just different depths perhaps order an angled endmill in that degree angle
[11:31:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: apx dimensions?
[11:31:40] <JT-Shop> they are the same depth and angle
[11:31:44] <PetefromTn_> then cut it vertically
[11:32:11] <PetefromTn_> so the offset is different then.
[11:32:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: is this thing 2" or 12" ? Numbers man, numbers
[11:32:30] <JT-Shop> 2"
[11:32:53] <PetefromTn_> depending on how many you need to make would determine the setup for me.
[11:33:09] <syyl_> for a one of
[11:33:10] <syyl_> on a cnc
[11:33:18] <Jymmm> Could take two #70 drill bits and clamp in a vise
[11:33:20] <syyl_> i would just run it with a ball endmill
[11:33:21] <syyl_> :D
[11:33:21] <JT-Shop> I have 20 some to do
[11:33:42] <syyl_> replace setuptime by machine-time
[11:34:25] <PetefromTn_> what is the actual angle?
[11:34:40] * JT-Shop has a 5" sine bar but no gauge blocks
[11:34:44] <JT-Shop> 10 degrees
[11:35:04] <Jymmm> Like this --> |%|, where the '/' is the workpiece, the '|' is the vise jaws, and the 'o' are the #70 drill bits crazy glued to the jaws.
[11:35:08] <ssi> no gauge blocks?!
[11:36:03] <Jymmm> Technically 0.698", but #70 drill t comes the closest to 10 degrees
[11:36:04] <tjtr33> t12, archivist the scissors link to a sign painter for carnivals, gorgeous pin stripping
[11:36:11] <PetefromTn_> I would probably just order a 10 degree endmill and machine it all vertically so you only have one setup and all the angles are correct in relation to one another.
[11:36:17] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: crazy glue is underused in fixturing.
[11:36:38] <Jymmm> Eh, it's just 20 of them, KISS
[11:36:50] <JT-Shop> it's just a clearance cut
[11:36:51] <Jymmm> then acetone to remove it all
[11:36:57] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, dress 10 degree on wheel and grind it ( looks like a mold insert ) got a grinder ( like harig 6-12)?
[11:37:03] <PetefromTn_> yup but this is a pro shop and I would just eat the cost of the tool over many careful setups
[11:37:47] <ssi> JT-Shop: setup a sine bar and space it with a drill bit
[11:37:50] <ssi> or something similar
[11:37:59] <ssi> it's roughly 7/8" under 5" bar to get ten degrees
[11:38:24] <JT-Shop> I grabbed a 3/4 chunk and my feeler gauges LOL
[11:38:24] <tjtr33> or dont dress wheel, put on magnetic sine at 10 degree, then grind it
[11:41:20] <tjtr33> http://its.foxvalleytech.com/MachShop5/Surfgrind/MgSnPlt.jpg
[11:46:05] <JT-Shop> sine bar worked great, thanks for the idea
[11:46:05] <JT-Shop> s
[11:48:28] <tjtr33> cool
[11:49:22] <tjtr33> speaking of lost trades, remember when knife grinders rolled carts up & down the street?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Knife_grinder-1.JPG
[11:49:39] <cradek> nope
[11:49:46] <tjtr33> haha kids
[11:50:12] <ssi> why sharpen a knife when you can throw it away and buy another one?
[11:50:44] <archivist> our local had it on his bicycle
[11:51:06] <cradek> is this a european thing? I'm old but have never seen it.
[11:51:22] * Jymmm smacks ssi with a dull bread knife!
[11:51:40] <ssi> bread knives are definitely gonna be dull
[11:51:44] <archivist> methinks they existed stateside too
[11:51:49] <ssi> because NOBODY sharpens serrated blades anymore :P
[11:51:50] <cradek> (I religiously sharpen my own knives)
[11:52:01] <Jymmm> ssi: I do.
[11:52:13] <Jymmm> Well, good ones that is.
[11:52:19] <cradek> I just don't buy/use serrated for that reason
[11:52:25] <Jymmm> not steaks knives ot anything like tht.
[11:53:18] <Jymmm> Dual straight/serrated blades, like leatherman I sharpen both.
[11:53:52] <Jymmm> Only takes a few minutes.
[11:54:54] <Jymmm> How to Set Up and Use a Sine Bar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQAhzW4J4qs
[11:55:28] <archivist> you dont need youtube you just need paper sine tables
[11:55:56] <archivist> or a clinometer :)
[12:03:25] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, i'd agree that dots in comp names would confuse the interpreter, becuz the dot means something like 'son-of' like 'bar' in ancient names
[12:03:43] <tjtr33> so was surprised gene said it 'used ta work'
[12:10:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[12:10:45] <IchGuckLive> bussy day here in the channel logs
[12:12:50] <IchGuckLive> SolarNRG: great wip cnc
[12:14:19] <IchGuckLive> what a nick hi z_
[12:16:30] <IchGuckLive> Guest60461: please identify real nick
[12:17:26] <Guest60461> IchGuckLive, just a bit of an issue normally it says zeitue
[12:17:51] <IchGuckLive> ah ;-)
[12:18:33] <IchGuckLive> so from today the area of burningman is under construction
[12:18:48] <zeitue> should be fixed now
[12:18:57] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:19:37] <asah> PCW: ok checked the lash today. it is more like .1 of rotor angle. better than I thought.
[12:29:46] <pcw_home> and thats geared down to the ball screw?
[12:45:44] <JesusAlos> hi
[12:46:52] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:49:05] <JesusAlos> I was install a clean V2.5 and don't appear real time delay error with the same configuration and the same PC
[12:49:35] <JesusAlos> was try too with V2.6 Devian and run ok too
[12:50:32] <IchGuckLive> Nice
[12:50:40] <IchGuckLive> did you got the timing numbers down
[12:50:57] <IchGuckLive> dirsetup < 45000
[13:06:20] <asah> pcw_home: yes. just did the calcs on the ballscrew and that equals .125mm lash
[13:06:52] <asah> the ballscrew pitch is 5mm, the quadrature counts per mm on the motor side is 6400
[13:07:12] <asah> the reduction motor pinion -> ballscrew is 4:1
[13:07:42] <asah> IE my ENCODER_SCALE works out to be 6400
[13:09:14] <archivist> asah, what sort of machine?
[13:09:24] <asah> maho 400e
[13:09:52] <archivist> hmm well worn
[13:11:13] <asah> I am measuring this in a pretty sloppy way on the motor side.
[13:11:49] <asah> so hopefully its less in the real world.
[13:12:08] <asah> it has glass scales, so its not the end of the world
[13:12:24] <asah> but it effects my control loop setup.
[13:16:40] <IchGuckLive> hi InsideJob
[13:17:01] <IchGuckLive> its better to be involved then stand out
[13:18:32] <JT-Shop> whew done with the 4 nests... bust ass mode = off
[13:25:37] <IchGuckLive> kfoltman: how has been the day so long
[13:26:20] <kfoltman> IchGuckLive: was finishing a release at work, pretty busy
[13:26:37] <IchGuckLive> take your time ;_9
[13:26:43] <kfoltman> on a happier side, got a pair of SBR16-600
[13:26:54] <kfoltman> + carriage blocks
[13:27:05] <IchGuckLive> 2 per rail
[13:27:14] <IchGuckLive> so 4 total ?
[13:27:23] <kfoltman> yes
[13:27:32] <IchGuckLive> cool setup to go witth
[13:29:00] <JesusAlos> I'm going to attend to my family
[13:29:03] <IchGuckLive> kfoltman:
http://stores.ebay.de/cnc-discount/Gruen-Green-Set-16mm-/_i.html?_fsub=2622094013
[13:29:20] <JesusAlos> by
[13:31:52] <kfoltman> IchGuckLive: yeah, I'd have to move to Germany ;) "Postage: May not post to Ireland - Read item description or contact seller for postage options."
[13:32:28] <kfoltman> IchGuckLive: the customs from HK charged me 40 euro (on top of 65 euro paid for rails)
[13:32:41] <IchGuckLive> i got most stuff for the 200 mashines from him
[13:32:47] <kfoltman> I mean, the Irish customs of course, not HK :)
[13:33:29] <CaptHindsight> sure but Ireland has better Stout :p
[13:34:18] <kfoltman> to be fair, I'm buying linear rails more often than stout ;)
[13:34:44] <IchGuckLive> since yesterday Russia blocks all the stuff and the dayly direct train from chongching to Berlin
[13:35:25] <IchGuckLive> ok im off For today there is a chicken BBQ in town need to get me some wings
[13:35:32] <IchGuckLive> BYE
[13:35:33] <kfoltman> heh
[13:36:55] <CaptHindsight> kfoltman: did you find s source from HK that has linear bearing blocks that aren't "crunchy" when you slide them?
[13:40:09] <kfoltman> CaptHindsight: the SBR16 aren't too crunchy, but they are kinda loud
[13:40:39] <kfoltman> I'm wondering (sorry, noob question) - the carriage blocks leave a lot of blackish powdery residue, is that normal?
[13:40:40] <CaptHindsight> I don't know if they use square bearings or just assemble them next to a sandbox
[13:41:18] <kfoltman> as in, ball bearings with cubic shaped "balls" ? (-:
[13:41:37] <CaptHindsight> black powder on the rails? are they packed full of grease or dry?
[13:41:58] <kfoltman> there's some oily stuff on the bag insides, but they don't feel greasy
[13:42:12] <kfoltman> I put some 3-in-1 on them though
[13:42:39] <archivist> 3 in 1 ew
[13:42:42] <CaptHindsight> do they have grease fittings?
[13:42:51] <kfoltman> the carriages? no
[13:43:06] <kfoltman> just the two set screws
[13:43:11] <CaptHindsight> what size are they? Have a pic?
[13:43:19] <kfoltman> they're SBR16UU
[13:43:22] <kfoltman> let me make a pic
[13:43:55] <kfoltman> archivist: what would you use?
[13:44:01] <kfoltman> instead of 3 in 1
[13:44:21] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16mm-linear-slide-guide-shaft-SBR16-600mm-2-rail-4-SBR16UU-bearing-block-CNC-set-/161188859108?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item25879acce4
[13:45:41] <kfoltman> archivist: yes, that exact item from that exact seller I think :)
[13:46:08] <kfoltman> CaptHindsight:
http://i.imgur.com/YCzzHut.jpg
[13:46:13] <archivist> I searched your part number
[13:47:00] <kfoltman> archivist: still, it's sold by 3 or 4 ebay accounts (perhaps more if you search from ebay.com and not .ie)
[13:47:30] <kfoltman> some sellers' listings don't appear on the .ie version, for some odd reason
[13:47:31] <archivist> how often are the rods screwed to the base
[13:47:57] <kfoltman> archivist: 150mm, same as mounting holes
[13:56:08] <kfoltman> the 16mm ones aren't as bad as the 12mm ones I have
[13:56:29] <kfoltman> at least the balls don't tend to fall out of the bearings from just looking at the rail from wrong angle ;)
[14:11:01] <CaptHindsight> kfoltman: unfortunately those are about the quality of the bearings you'll find on low cost sliding miter saws
[14:14:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_23993.jpg
[14:15:18] <archivist> with or without the saw dust
[14:15:56] <CaptHindsight> the saw dust comes prepacked in the blocks so no dust shield is required :p
[14:16:19] <kfoltman> CaptHindsight: they're good enough to mill an occasional PCB or temporary enclosure
[14:16:34] <CaptHindsight> yeah, don't expect more or long life
[14:17:25] <kfoltman> spending 2000+ euro for decent quality rails, bearings and ground C3 screws makes no sense if the machine is running 15 minutes a day at most
[14:18:46] <CaptHindsight> not sure about your area, but I find used profile bearings on ebay all the time that last me for years
[14:18:47] <kfoltman> though the way they cut the bearings open suggests they stopped hiring children and started hiring semi-blind monkeys and letting them play with angle grinders ;)
[14:19:26] <gabewillen> I'm in the middle of retrofitting a fellows gear shaper. I thought i would join the ARM movement and purchased a BBB + PBX-BB(Probotix) cape. Everything work's fantastic on the software side. I am powering the BBB with a 5v ac-dc adapter, that runs through a 220v to 110v step down transformer inside the machine.
[14:19:41] <kfoltman> CaptHindsight: I bought some second hand "proper" linear rail and (I think ground) ballscrew, I'm using it for the Z axis
[14:19:43] <gabewillen> The machine turns on buy energizing 110v coils that close the 220v circuit to drive the motors. I am using a 4 channel 5v opto-isolated relay board. I'm powering the PBX-BBB cape with a 12v ac-dc adapter on the same transformer.
[14:20:10] <gabewillen> The issue is the BBB locks up when opening the circuit to turn the machine off. I believe its a back emf issue with the 110v relays. The BBB toggles the same relay perfectly if connect with an extension chord to a separate 110v outlet.
[14:20:51] <kfoltman> gabewillen: could it be a voltage dip issue as well?
[14:21:59] <gabewillen> I was thinking that originally
[14:23:07] <gabewillen> I hooked a scope up to it the adapter is producing a smooth 5.1v. On relay toggle however i get up to 15v spikes.
[14:23:35] <Tom_itx> you need a diode across the realay
[14:23:39] <Tom_itx> relay
[14:23:49] <kfoltman> gabewillen: is it due to poor line regulation, or is it a pulse induced in the 5V cable?
[14:23:56] <gabewillen> I have a identical machine that i retrofitted using a PC a few years ago. It has no issue's
[14:24:08] <ssi> relay board ought to have flyback diodes across the relay coils
[14:24:13] <ssi> if it doesn't, you should add them
[14:24:29] <kfoltman> ssi: shouldn't matter anyway, it's powered from a different PSU from what he says
[14:24:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.douglaskrantz.com/Flyback_Diode.html
[14:24:50] <CaptHindsight> gabewillen: ^^^
[14:24:53] <kfoltman> ssi: as in, it is necessary but lack of it wouldn't show up as locked up BBB
[14:24:54] <ssi> that won't necessarily preclude ground bounce
[14:24:56] <gabewillen> http://www.sainsmart.com/4-channel-5v-relay-module-for-pic-arm-avr-dsp-arduino-msp430-ttl-logic.html
[14:25:03] <kfoltman> ssi: and it's optoisolated
[14:25:12] <cradek> the opto22 oac5a will switch 240VAC directly with 5v logic in
[14:25:48] <gabewillen> I purchased this temporarily while i await a pcb board to be manufactured.
[14:26:07] <ssi> yeah I have some of those
[14:26:13] <ssi> they have diodes onboard
[14:26:17] <ssi> damn those things are everywhere now :)
[14:26:31] <kfoltman> ssi: I'd suspect the dc adapter for the bbb
[14:26:51] <gabewillen> Thats what i thought as well. I already have tried placing additional diodes.
[14:27:00] <kfoltman> gabewillen: can you run it with a different adapter?
[14:27:11] <zeeshan> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-08/6/11/enhanced/webdr07/anigif_enhanced-buzz-29480-1407339983-20.gif
[14:27:27] <kfoltman> gabewillen: also, did you check the input voltage with power adapter *switched off*?
[14:27:32] <cradek> if you're switching 240v you may have to use real hardware and not this $5 hobbyist crap
[14:27:43] <zeeshan> lol cradek
[14:27:50] <gabewillen> read the above post its temporary
[14:28:04] <gabewillen> i got it in one day from amazon
[14:28:12] <kfoltman> gabewillen: I mean, for voltage spikes coming from induced voltage, not from poor line regulation
[14:28:27] <kfoltman> if you have a big ass motor directly next to BBB :D
[14:28:41] <kfoltman> or wrapped your 5V cable around the motor cables ;)
[14:29:08] <gabewillen> No its mounted well away from it. Also its not driving 220v its driving a opto-isolated 5v relay that drives a 110v relay that engages the coil
[14:29:14] <cradek> http://www.amazon.com/Opto-22-G4OAC5A-Isolation-Current/dp/B00597V2CY
[14:29:25] <gabewillen> A similar set up on the sister machine next to it works without a hitch
[14:29:42] <kfoltman> gabewillen: tried swapping power adaptors?
[14:29:47] <kfoltman> with the working one
[14:30:03] <kfoltman> some 5V adaptors are really bad
[14:30:20] <kfoltman> "may burn your house down" level of bad
[14:30:36] <gabewillen> No i haven't but the 5v adapter work's on a separate 110v outlet
[14:30:59] <zeeshan> why do you guys worry so much
[14:31:09] <zeeshan> if someone wants to blow up stuff
[14:31:11] <zeeshan> let them!
[14:31:18] <zeeshan> that's how you get awesome youtube videos
[14:31:29] <cradek> that's true
[14:31:42] <gabewillen> The board im waiting on will have a 5v switching supply built into it.
[14:32:09] <kfoltman> gabewillen: perhaps nobody designed that adaptor for up to 2x voltage spikes from rapidly switched on and off inductive loads
[14:32:24] <gabewillen> perhaps...
[14:32:29] <zeeshan> usually you use contactors
[14:32:35] <zeeshan> for switching inductive loads
[14:33:04] <zeeshan> i've welded relays together in the past
[14:33:10] <zeeshan> trying to switch 1hp motor loads
[14:33:10] <zeeshan> :D
[14:33:11] <gabewillen> it is using a contactor, i'll snap a picture... The machine is from the 1940's
[14:35:38] <PCW> If you are switching a AC relay you probably need a arc suppression device across the relay coil
[14:36:14] <gabewillen> I was thinking about implementing a zero-crossing detector
[14:36:20] <zeeshan> pcw isnt that usually built into a relay
[14:36:22] <zeeshan> or a contactor
[14:36:28] <zeeshan> the pads of it
[14:36:30] <PCW> doesnt help with relays
[14:36:54] <zeeshan> gabewillen: if you put a resistive load
[14:36:56] <zeeshan> like a light bulb
[14:36:58] <zeeshan> can you switch it?
[14:38:13] <PCW> unless you have arc suppression you will get picosecond risetime 100's of volt spikes
[14:39:06] <PCW> a noise pulse radio transmitter
[14:39:07] <gabewillen> http://postimg.org/image/joxzvbc0v/
[14:39:13] * kfoltman likes zeeshan's idea
[14:39:28] <gabewillen> wow thats blury
[14:39:31] <gabewillen> hold on
[14:40:43] <zeeshan> do you have 110v test light?
[14:40:49] <zeeshan> that you can tap in there temporarily
[14:41:23] <gabewillen> Yes
[14:41:27] <zeeshan> try it out
[14:41:50] <gabewillen> could serve two purposes, signify if the operator is running the machine or not from afar
[14:41:53] <gabewillen> :)
[14:42:09] <kfoltman> gabewillen: it mostly to check if the crashes are due to EMF :P
[14:43:04] <gabewillen> I was just kidding... I actually install a buzzer to signify the part is completed
[14:43:29] <kfoltman> unsupervised CNC machine? *waits for the future youtube videos*
[14:44:59] <zeeshan> i crashed my lathe the other day
[14:45:00] <gabewillen> No its supervised the operator has to redin deburr the parts while its running
[14:45:01] <zeeshan> spindle wasn't turning
[14:45:08] <zeeshan> had the jog speed at 100ipm
[14:45:22] <zeeshan> tool went directly into a 1/2" 6061 piece that was between centers 10" long
[14:45:25] <zeeshan> it bent it
[14:45:26] <gabewillen> http://postimg.org/image/kmfwkammd/
[14:45:33] <zeeshan> now i can use my lathe as a rod bender
[14:45:57] <gabewillen> Clearer image of the circuitry
[14:46:35] <zeeshan> haha
[14:46:38] <zeeshan> thats pretty old school
[14:46:45] <kfoltman> less blurry for sure, whether it's "clear" is questionable ;)
[14:47:01] <gabewillen> Yeah i can't stop shaking for some reason to take the picture
[14:47:27] <CaptHindsight> the control cabinets of a new Enco lathe look similar
[14:47:41] <gabewillen> I'll try the light bulb, be back in a few
[14:48:32] <kfoltman> CaptHindsight: BTW, if you're in the States, the availability of cheap 2nd hand linear motion components is much greater
[14:48:58] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/lathe/P6140010.jpg
[14:49:02] <kfoltman> for me, it's either China or Worse Korea
[14:49:03] <zeeshan> thats my lathe's factory system
[14:49:06] <zeeshan> before it went cnc :P
[14:49:57] <PCW> anything that old is not likely to have snubbers
[14:50:30] <_methods> anyone going to IMTS?
[14:50:50] <PCW> snubbers will also save your 110v relay contacts
[14:50:54] <CaptHindsight> \0
[14:51:30] <_methods> i might go this year
[14:51:36] <_methods> i should have gone to the vegas one
[14:51:54] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I've thought about a small tabletop demo for Linuxcnc
[14:52:05] <_methods> that would be cool
[14:52:25] <_methods> you have a booth there?
[14:52:43] <PCW> or use a SSR to drive the contactor (since they have 0 current turnoff )
[14:53:11] <CaptHindsight> _methods: no, it's local for me and I could have or share
[14:53:18] <_methods> ahh
[14:59:08] <gabewillen> Okay the 110v light is a fail
[14:59:19] <gabewillen> switched on and off about 5 times before the BBB froze
[14:59:54] <CaptHindsight> anyone know the current requirements to get certified to purchase freon and other regulated refrigerants?
[15:00:00] <zeeshan> sounds like a software error
[15:00:01] <gabewillen> PCW i'm not familiar with a snubber but i'll google it
[15:00:10] <zeeshan> you dont need a snubber for a light
[15:00:19] <zeeshan> its a resistive load
[15:00:35] <gabewillen> zeeshan: it works flawlessly plugged into a separate 110v outlet still
[15:01:13] <gabewillen> Im starting to wonder if its the adapter
[15:01:15] <CaptHindsight> it used to be you could just walk in and take the test at certified retailers of HVAC supplies
[15:01:49] <gabewillen> When i tested it with the separate outlet i used a usb cable cell phone charger for testing.
[15:02:36] <gabewillen> I can solder 2 pins on the PBX-BB cape and power the BBB from the 12v adapter
[15:03:14] <gabewillen> i'll swap out the adapter really quick
[15:14:14] <gabewillen> Who would of thought this cheap ass cell phone charging adapter would work better than the linksys 5v adapter i had laying around
[15:14:22] <gabewillen> Seems to be working
[15:14:52] <gabewillen> Thanks for the help zeeshan
[15:16:09] <gabewillen> Along with the others, PCW im still going to heed your advice on the snubber's
[15:18:06] <PCW> In general its a good idea to reduce EMI and contacts opening on inductive loads are known offenders
[15:19:40] <PCW> (an AM tuned off channel radio is a good test sensor)
[15:19:42] <gabewillen> Would it be better if i removed that system and switched to something more modern
[15:19:49] <PCW> AM radio
[15:20:07] <gabewillen> Just use a relay to drive the load directly
[15:20:47] <gabewillen> or perhaps a 3 phase motor drive, then i could adjust the speed without changing the pulley as well
[15:22:27] <PCW> using a SSR to drive the contactor might help if the noise issue is from the 110 control power
[15:23:01] <gabewillen> Damn it locked up again.... while testing it for a longer duration.
[15:23:45] <gabewillen> I feel like an even bigger idiot as though it "locked up" yet i just ssh'd into it.... i bet its the touch screen haha
[15:24:23] <PCW> USB?
[15:24:29] <gabewillen> this is why i don't ask for help, usually its something so simple its embarrassing
[15:24:36] <gabewillen> yes
[15:25:01] <PCW> might check the kernel logs for USB errors
[15:25:10] <gabewillen> doing that as we type
[15:25:15] <Jymmm> snap on torroid does wonders
[15:26:03] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks_: do you use Linuxcnc for any of your machines that aren't machine tools?
[15:26:41] <gabewillen> I do! though the question is not directed towards me
[15:27:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZW4hGbRAhs a quilting machine using Linuxcnc
[15:29:50] <Smidge204_> Someone's really enjoying the plugins that came with the video editing software, that's for sure
[15:31:01] <Jymmm> Ya know, it's always amazed me how/what a sewing/quilting/embroidery machine do what they do. Especially for as long as they have been around.
[15:31:39] <Jymmm> Even the foot powered ones are pretty sweey.
[15:31:45] <CaptHindsight> I'm considering making a Linuxcnc controlled weaving or knitting machine
[15:31:46] <Jymmm> sweet*
[15:32:27] <gabewillen> PCW: It seems to be a USB issua
[15:32:34] <gabewillen> issue*
[15:32:37] <CaptHindsight> 3 days for installation, 21 days waiting for parts, sounds about right for automation
[15:32:49] <PCW> USB is quite noise sensitive
[15:37:55] <gabewillen> I always try to get away with cheap, and it never works in an industrial environment.
[15:49:43] <skunkworks_> CaptHindsight: I use linux for servers and my main laptop
[15:51:00] <skunkworks_> oh - missunderstood - Not at the moment.. But when you use linuxcnc you start to see it for a solution to a lot of automation problems.. (well - I did use it as a logger to evaluate other motion control software... )
[15:52:28] <ssi> I'm thinking about putting some automation in place to run a solenoid in place of the main ball-valve on my shop air compressor, and also a relay on the dryer
[15:52:40] <ssi> so any machine that comes on can fire a remote signal to ask the air system to turn the air on
[15:52:48] <ssi> and have an inactivity delay shutoff or somethigv
[15:52:59] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks_: that quilting machine is neat, the majority of the machines I have used it on don't have any cutting tools
[16:10:02] <Deejay> gn8
[17:42:20] <TheChance> Hey, guys. I was referred here from another channel. I'm trying to cut small circles from PVC using an 1/8" spiral up. Trouble is, when the bit exits, it brings the part with it, throws it across the room, and ruins the edge. I can't take a lead-out, I can't switch bits, what CAN I do?
[17:43:07] <TheChance> I've been running 100 IPM down, 200 IPM cuts at 22k RPM.
[17:43:20] <cradek> how small?
[17:44:21] <alexchally_cnc> Hey guys, got a question. I am trying to enable a pin on my mesa 7i37, but I can't figure out which pin corresponds to OUT0
[17:44:40] <alexchally_cnc> I *think* the command should setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.***.out 1
[17:44:49] <alexchally_cnc> where *** is the pin number on my mesa pci card
[17:45:07] <alexchally_cnc> but I am not sure which pin to actually use
[17:45:31] <cradek> have a look at page 4 of the 7i37 manual
[17:46:34] <cradek> I think you are right about the command
[17:46:41] <alexchally_cnc> cradek, I have, and putting 033 does not seem to do it
[17:46:55] <alexchally_cnc> now, the other thing is the 7i37 is on the second ribon cable, pins 24-47
[17:47:14] <SpeedEvil> TheChance: can you stop the bit in the part?
[17:47:27] <cradek> aha, then 033 will be wrong
[17:47:30] <cradek> let's see...
[17:47:36] <alexchally_cnc> so I was thinking that I needed to add an offset of 24 to the pin number, so it becomes 24+33= 57
[17:47:41] <alexchally_cnc> but that does not work either
[17:47:51] <cradek> if you look at dmesg you can see the mapping
[17:48:03] <cradek> lines like hm2/hm2_5i25.0: IO Pin 030 (P2-10): IOPort
[17:48:08] <cradek> (of course mine is different)
[17:48:30] <cradek> you need to look at the one that says P3-33 I think?
[17:48:35] <TheChance> cradek: about 1/2". SpeedEvil: I... don't know. I'm an apprentice, and my boss is on vacation :( I suppose I could simply pause the program, remove the part, and allow it to continue. I hadn't thought of that.
[17:48:46] <alexchally_cnc> [ 55.367150] hm2/hm2_5i23.0: IO Pin 040 (P3-33): IOPort
[17:49:02] <PCW> the top 8 I/O of the connector are outputs so GPIO 40,,47
[17:49:03] <cradek> if it's plugged into P3 that's the one
[17:49:51] <cradek> so yeah, sounds like 040 is it
[17:50:54] <PCW> you need to set the is_output and (probably) invert_output parameter for each output pin
[17:54:30] <alexchally_cnc> pcw, so these three lines? setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.040.is_output 1
[17:54:31] <alexchally_cnc> setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.040.invert_output 1
[17:54:31] <alexchally_cnc> setp hm2_5i23.0.gpio.040.out 1
[17:55:44] <Tom_itx> isn't the last one the signal?
[17:55:51] <PCW> well normally you would not setp the .out pin
[17:56:17] <alexchally_cnc> I wanted to hardcode it so it would keep a relay on for now
[17:56:26] <alexchally_cnc> well, an SCR, but whatever
[17:56:28] <PCW> but for testing that should turn it on
[17:56:59] <alexchally_cnc> and that should apply +5v between OUT0+ and OUT0-, correct?
[17:57:54] <alexchally_cnc> as long as the jumper is in the Cable position
[17:58:16] <PCW> Nope, it will connect OUT0+ to OUT0-
[17:58:32] <alexchally_cnc> ahhhh
[17:58:36] <alexchally_cnc> k.
[17:59:25] <PCW> note that if you connect backwards it will be always on (1 diode drop)
[17:59:51] <PCW> 1A max 48V max
[18:00:23] <alexchally_cnc> k. is there a 5v header anywhere on the board, or do I need to include an external PSU?
[18:01:29] <PCW> No it can be cable powered (unless its more than say 15 feet away)
[18:02:14] <PCW> Yay 7I92 works!
[18:02:14] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, sorry, not for powering the board, but to use as a supply to turn on my scr
[18:02:37] <Tom_itx> it would need a common ground
[18:03:19] <PCW> all the OUTN+ and OUTN- are isolated so they connect from whatever power you have to whatever load you have
[18:04:13] <PCW> (there are no common power or ground terminals on the 7I37TA at all)
[18:04:29] <PCW> (inputs are the same)
[18:05:23] <PCW> all outputs are just floating switches
[18:15:10] <sharpen047> hey guys, i was hoping someone could help me with my boot issue on linux cnc. its a p4 system and has been running emc for about 2 years now. it started yesterday and wont load past the loading mouse animation. i can move the mouse but the animation is frozen. it boots up in low graphics mode as well.
[18:27:39] <PCW> bad harddrive/video card?
[18:28:17] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, awesome, that worked for me. What is the command to map that pin to the AXIS enable button?
[18:30:17] <alexchally_cnc> that is, i want to hit the enable button in axis and have it energize that relay
[18:46:24] <alexchally_cnc> also.. i seem to be unable to see any signals on halscope :/
[18:47:42] <alexchally_cnc> nm wrt: halscope
[18:50:25] <sharpen047> windows works on the same box. low graphics mode works.
[19:01:04] <PCW> maybe a monitor issue (EDID quit working)
[19:01:06] <PCW> hard to guess but unless you changed something, sounds like broken hardware
[19:02:37] <sharpen047> pcw: any chance i could track it down? took out everything but video card and ram
[19:03:01] <sharpen047> different monitor, keyboard/mouse and so on because its in the house now. not the garage
[19:03:36] <PCW> try the hardrive in a different PC?
[19:06:23] <sharpen047> i dont really have any more p4 systems
[19:10:09] <sharpen047> if i get to a terminal can i do anything else? i have recovery mode and low gfx mode works
[19:12:16] <PCW> boot into the memory test
[19:12:48] <sharpen047> booting now
[19:13:37] <sharpen047> oh ok background shows noise fail calibration failed
[19:13:46] <sharpen047> running mem test now
[19:26:16] <sharpen047> 42% passed
[19:39:53] <sharpen047> 75% passed
[19:46:12] <sharpen047> 100% passed pcw
[19:46:37] <PCW> well hard drive next
[19:47:06] <Tom_itx> reseat all the connectors
[19:47:08] <sharpen047> ok, how would i test that? i figured XP works and low graphics works?
[19:47:09] <sharpen047> ok
[19:49:27] <sharpen047> same thing. hangs at cursor
[19:49:59] <sharpen047> unplugged cd rom, disabled onboard LAN, took out wifi and par port card
[19:51:11] <sharpen047> seems like a window manager issue almost.
[19:52:30] <asah> sharpen047: can you boot into console mode?
[19:52:44] <sharpen047> yes
[19:52:59] <asah> can you hit ctrl+alt+F4
[19:53:11] <asah> or F1 etc and get a console?
[19:53:29] <sharpen047> doesnt respond if i boot and it hangs but i have the failsafe option in grub
[19:53:46] <asah> so boot untill cursor freezes, then try and view the boot log, or get into a console and check ps ?
[19:53:49] <asah> ah ok.
[19:53:53] <asah> thats unfun.
[19:54:04] <asah> whats the os? ubu 10?
[19:54:19] <sharpen047> im not sure actually. 10 or 12
[19:54:24] <sharpen047> i think 10
[19:54:45] <asah> was this a result of an auto update or any new software packages?
[19:54:50] <asah> potentially?
[19:55:03] <sharpen047> possibly yes
[19:55:33] <sharpen047> it has a bunch it wants to update now
[19:55:53] <asah> can you do: lsb_release -a
[19:56:52] <sharpen047> 10.04
[19:57:01] <asah> 32bit?
[19:57:08] <asah> (probably)
[19:57:11] <sharpen047> yes its a single core amd
[19:57:18] <asah> uname -a
[19:57:56] <asah> we just had a similar issue on an older 12.04 32bit laptop, two days ago.
[19:57:57] <sharpen047> 2.6.32
[19:58:00] <asah> was a repo problem.
[19:58:12] <sharpen047> they support 12?
[19:58:12] <asah> gimme a sec to call my friend.
[19:58:45] <sharpen047> thanks!
[19:59:50] <sharpen047> but again the failsafe graphics mode it boots fine and runs
[20:01:23] <asah> what graphics card?
[20:01:58] <sharpen047> gf 5200
[20:02:06] <sharpen047> nv
[20:04:53] <asah> ok, so yes, our issue was nvidia driver update borked system is sameish way
[20:06:03] <asah> the fix was one of: use the bumblebee project to get updated nvidia drivers backported, but you could likely just download new ones and install direct from nvidia as bumblebee doesn’t support 10.
[20:06:25] <asah> other thing he did was to disable all unused serial ports and usb ports in the bios.
[20:06:43] <asah> there seems to be interrupt contention issues with this particular driver combo?
[20:07:26] <asah> this may be goose chase land, but we had exactly the same symptoms and it happened to us only a few days ago on an older ubu 12 32bit os with an nvidia.
[20:07:29] <sharpen047> what would i do? i dont have any other ports enabled on the bios except the usb ports because i use them
[20:07:49] <sharpen047> which would explain why safe graphics mode works
[20:08:26] <archivist> you can try to dump nvidia drivers and use the generic ones
[20:09:00] <sharpen047> ok ill boot in safe mode and reconfig video
[20:09:08] <sharpen047> although NV drivers mess with realtime anyway
[20:11:27] <asah> if that doesn’t work you can google the ubu-x-swat ppa which has the latest nvidia bits.
[20:11:35] <XXCoder1> damn thats weird surivied crash
[20:12:01] <asah> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates && sudo apt-get update
[20:12:11] <XXCoder1> wrong channel
[20:12:12] <asah> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[20:12:32] <asah> etc...
[20:12:33] <sharpen047> asah it wont let me reconfig video
[20:13:09] <asah> do you see any nvidia drivers installed as packages?
[20:13:19] <asah> dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia
[20:13:49] <sharpen047> asah, i can see part of dmesg. it gave me an erorr list for video devices
[20:13:57] <sharpen047> nouveau is the error
[20:14:15] <sharpen047> EDID error
[20:15:12] <asah> I would remove nouveau
[20:15:18] <asah> and install nvidia-current
[20:16:39] <sharpen047> how do i search for the package install again? sorry havent used console in a while.
[20:18:20] <asah> search for installed packages?
[20:18:28] <asah> dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia
[20:18:32] <asah> will look for nvidia
[20:19:05] <asah> thats a lowercase L on dpkg
[20:20:15] <sharpen047> so nouveau1 and xorg video nouveau is installed
[20:21:37] <asah> sudo apt-get remove —purge nvidia*
[20:22:02] <asah> sudo apt-get remove —purge xorg-video-nouveau
[20:23:04] <sharpen047> two - at purge i take it?
[20:23:16] <asah> yes
[20:24:50] <sharpen047> cant find xorg-video-nouveau
[20:25:12] <asah> then I would do the ppa lines above so you can get the nvidia binary drivers
[20:25:33] <asah> what is the name of the nouveau packages you found from dpkg -l ?
[20:25:36] <sharpen047> xserver-xorg etc
[20:25:45] <asah> don’t kill xserver-xorg
[20:25:51] <asah> obviously.
[20:25:52] <asah> =)
[20:25:57] <asah> thats a longer reinstall.
[20:26:06] <sharpen047> theres a nouveau for it
[20:26:18] <asah> called xserver-xorg-nouveau ?
[20:26:26] <sharpen047> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[20:26:33] <asah> yeah, uninstall that one.
[20:26:39] <sharpen047> done
[20:26:50] <asah> reboot. see what happens.
[20:27:24] <asah> you can check to see if the kernel module gets loaded with : lsmod | grep nouveau
[20:28:04] <sharpen047> giant 480x360 res haha or something
[20:28:11] <asah> =)
[20:28:15] <sharpen047> monitor doesnt support this resolution im guessing
[20:28:34] <asah> well, you don’t have a very good driver anymore =)
[20:28:38] <asah> now to install the nvidia bits.
[20:28:46] <asah> udo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates && sudo apt-get update
[20:28:48] <sharpen047> it doesnt seem like a good one i gues haha
[20:28:52] <sharpen047> ok let me reboot again
[20:30:28] <sharpen047> ok no video output
[20:31:22] <sharpen047> i cant even get a console
[20:32:02] <asah> can you safe/console boot?
[20:32:32] <asah> do you have another graphics port on this computer?
[20:32:41] <asah> like on the motherboard?
[20:32:43] <sharpen047> i do not have another port
[20:33:08] <sharpen047> i cant see anything past the driver loading messages
[20:33:15] <sharpen047> i may have an old CRT
[20:33:15] <sharpen047> brb
[20:34:39] <sharpen047> wow my lights dimmed when i plugged in this 15" crt
[20:35:02] <asah> =)
[20:35:24] <asah> I saw a land line phone in a movie recently. pretty weird how quickly times change.
[20:36:10] <jdh> i still have house phones
[20:36:12] <sharpen047> crt shows no video output either
[20:36:21] <sharpen047> haha we have house phones as well
[20:36:39] <jdh> but they are hooked up to a cell device
[20:36:39] <sharpen047> red light so its in sleep mode on monitor
[20:36:40] <asah> ok, thats a bad reference then. =)
[20:36:56] <asah> if you moved would you install a landline again?
[20:36:59] <sharpen047> still responds to ctrl alt del
[20:37:08] <sharpen047> now what?
[20:37:09] <asah> (I moved recently, and decided not to… anyway)
[20:37:22] <asah> so you have no way to get a console up?
[20:37:22] <sharpen047> use grub for a command line?
[20:37:38] <asah> yeah, boot without graphics.
[20:37:45] <jdh> I wont answer mine.
[20:37:45] <asah> alternate grub entry
[20:38:08] <sharpen047> hm, how would i do that?
[20:38:22] <asah> what options do you have in grub?
[20:39:05] <sharpen047> e to edit commands before booting
[20:39:11] <sharpen047> c for a grub command line
[20:39:57] <asah> how were you “safe mode” booting before?
[20:40:58] <asah> what is the video line you get out of e ?
[20:41:36] <sharpen047> it was an option for recovery mode on this kernel
[20:41:49] <asah> and does that boot for you?
[20:41:50] <sharpen047> but this one lets me edit the grub entry before boot
[20:41:58] <sharpen047> it boots but doesnt put out video
[20:42:15] <sharpen047> anything past usb driver loading
[20:42:47] <asah> that is what you get in “recovery mode” ?
[20:42:48] <sharpen047> let me see if i can ctrl alt bspc
[20:43:03] <sharpen047> yes i get that either way
[20:43:03] <asah> what about ctrl alt F1 to get a console up
[20:43:31] <sharpen047> cursor then loads anyway and no output at all from videwo
[20:43:35] <sharpen047> video card
[20:45:09] <asah> grub console should get you going.
[20:46:30] <asah> you need the equiv of GRUB_TERMINAL=console in the grub prompt.
[20:46:40] <asah> (haven’t had to do this in a while thankfully)
[20:47:10] <sharpen047> well im not sure
[20:47:13] <asah> if you do hit e, what do you see?
[20:47:15] <sharpen047> would another video card work?
[20:47:21] <asah> what is the current grub line trying to setup?
[20:47:35] <sharpen047> says grub_console
[20:48:13] <sharpen047> grub>
[20:48:20] <asah> what about the e option, that should allow you to edit the grub entry that is currently booting into borked video mode
[20:48:35] <asah> when you do hit e, what grub options are there?
[20:48:36] <sharpen047> right
[20:48:48] <sharpen047> its stuff likeinsmod ext2
[20:48:56] <sharpen047> vmlinuz oiptions
[20:48:59] <asah> GRUB_GFXMODE etc...
[20:49:07] <asah> things like resolutions
[20:49:15] <asah> 800x600x32 etc.
[20:50:06] <sharpen047> i dont see that
[20:50:28] <sharpen047> emacs loading is supported
[20:51:05] <sharpen047> it says at the bottom it is anyway.
[20:52:33] <asah> what is a video mode you know works on your display?
[20:52:37] <asah> 800x600 ?
[20:55:34] <asah> which version of grub? 2 ?
[20:58:05] <Jymmm> 2.1 The sequel
[21:01:16] <asah> add a gfxmode=800x600 line in the linux section
[21:04:22] <sharpen047> asah: 800x600 should work. i have a CRT and a 1080 display here. if it puts anything above 480 i should be fine lol
[21:04:40] <sharpen047> which part is linux section
[21:05:03] <asah> there should be the word “linux” and a bunch of stuff.
[21:05:07] <asah> put it on the next line
[21:06:34] <sharpen047> same thing
[21:07:12] <asah> ok, found another: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
[21:07:21] <asah> do that instead of the gfxmode line
[21:07:51] <Jymmm> Is "nosplash" no longer an option in GRUB2 ?
[21:07:54] <asah> sorry, thats the config var.
[21:08:02] <sharpen047> its here so yes
[21:08:05] <asah> gfxpayload=text
[21:08:56] <sharpen047> same thing
[21:09:09] <asah> fun times.
[21:09:16] <asah> you have another gfx card?
[21:09:23] <sharpen047> yes
[21:09:57] <sharpen047> i have a pile going to goodwill
[21:10:02] <sharpen047> im taking a ton of parts from it
[21:10:09] <Jymmm> Did you : sudo update-grub
[21:10:14] <Jymmm> after updating the file?
[21:10:35] <asah> Jymmm: he can’t get into linux
[21:10:38] <asah> stuck at grub
[21:11:30] <asah> ok. so looking at my /boot/grub/grub.cfg the proper syntax should be “gfxmode text” no quotes and before linux line
[21:11:43] <Jymmm> Boot from a LiveCD and see if you can go from there
[21:11:44] <asah> and before the insmod lines
[21:12:19] <sharpen047> pci based card vs ago
[21:12:23] <sharpen047> agp
[21:12:39] <sharpen047> same thing no video
[21:12:50] <sharpen047> ill start dling new linux cnc cd anyway
[21:13:04] <Jymmm> sharpen047: No video when booting from a LiveCD?
[21:13:57] <sharpen047> i dont have a livecd with me. ill download one now.
[21:14:03] <sharpen047> oh right, i dont have cds
[21:14:14] <sharpen047> USB drive it is
[21:14:17] <Jymmm> Well, a LiveUSB then
[21:14:33] <Jymmm> how old is this box?
[21:14:34] <sharpen047> oh wait. thats what i use to transfer cnc files
[21:14:57] <sharpen047> its an athlon xp. so quite old. since emc doesnt work on multocore computers very well
[21:15:58] <asah> man… sorry, killing your vid drivers should still allow you to boot textmode. =(
[21:16:06] <Jymmm> That's not necessarily true, but ok.
[21:16:22] <Jymmm> It just doens't take advantage of them is all
[21:17:03] <sharpen047> no prob. as far as i see it, i didnt have a working system anyway
[21:17:17] <sharpen047> now to see if it supports usb boot
[21:17:28] <Jymmm> heh
[21:18:17] <sharpen047> ok it booted from the usb
[21:18:27] <sharpen047> its ubuntu, not sure which version
[21:18:34] <asah> Jymmm: I have like 5 headless linux boxes sitting around doing stuff.
[21:18:57] <sharpen047> "try ubuntu" yep
[21:19:10] <Jymmm> sharpen047: I have one box with bunch of VM's running =)
[21:19:29] <sharpen047> good video on this livecd
[21:19:59] <sharpen047> with the slow vid card. i have a "nice" 64 meg video card which is what i removed haha
[21:20:05] <Jymmm> sharpen047: Now, when you edit grub again, MAKE A BACKUP *BEFORE* editing =)
[21:20:20] <sharpen047> grub 2 doesnt save them
[21:20:34] <sharpen047> anything i edit is one time only and reverts on reboot
[21:20:41] <asah> he hasn’t been able to get into his linux.
[21:20:51] <asah> he is stuck at grub, editing grub via “e"
[21:20:56] <sharpen047> ok i have a desktop from livecd
[21:20:58] <Jymmm> I don't care, make a backup.
[21:21:15] <Jymmm> It will CYA.
[21:21:16] <sharpen047> oh its linux cnc cool
[21:21:28] <sharpen047> im pretty sure i have a backup
[21:21:43] <sharpen047> i just cant get to it. but the problem is the video drivers
[21:22:11] <Jymmm> Try VESA
[21:22:27] <Jymmm> if that's still an option
[21:22:52] <zeeshan> what driver is used
[21:23:00] <zeeshan> when ubuntu is in "low video mode" or whatever its called
[21:23:05] <sharpen047> i should reboot with the normal card in it
[21:23:16] <sharpen047> none load right now
[21:23:20] <sharpen047> we removed them all
[21:24:17] <asah> well, we should have only removed the nouveau driver.
[21:24:34] <sharpen047> i see that now
[21:24:39] <sharpen047> haha
[21:24:49] <sharpen047> gotta chroot in now
[21:24:52] <asah> what else did you remove ?
[21:25:08] <asah> did you kill xorg?
[21:26:29] <sharpen047> nouveau and nvidia only
[21:27:15] <asah> ok, that should be fine.
[21:27:25] <asah> weird you can’t get basic modes.
[21:28:18] <asah> you could install the nvidia binary drivers in your chroot
[21:29:09] <sharpen047> iirc nv drivers caused real time errors in emc
[21:31:32] <asah> nv is the non hardware accellerated nvidia driver.
[21:31:41] <asah> nouveau is the open source driver
[21:32:17] <asah> there is a nvidia driver called nvidia which is their binary driver
[21:32:19] <sharpen047> which explains why i wasnt using nvidia drivers
[21:34:31] <sharpen047> wont boot again
[21:35:06] <asah> what did you mod in your chroot?
[21:35:37] <sharpen047> nothing. havent gotten live cd up again
[21:35:48] <sharpen047> installed old card. booted with no mouse so i rebooted again
[21:36:03] <sharpen047> keeps locking up at seemingly random spots.
[21:36:14] <asah> lovely.
[21:37:39] <XXCoder1> "I'm sure I has backup" means nope I don't to me lol
[21:39:20] <sharpen047> booting usb on this pc sucks
[21:39:33] <sharpen047> and i know i have a backup but dont know how old it is or if it has this kernel on it
[21:43:24] <sharpen047> wont boot to usb
[21:44:36] <sharpen047> no kb detected
[21:46:48] <asah> intermittent usb functionality?
[21:47:30] <sharpen047> no just the kb
[21:48:02] <sharpen047> mouse and usb drive are fine. kb works fine on this pc. not sure whats going on. used another kb and its booting
[21:49:39] <sharpen047> still hangs booting into usb drive
[21:50:24] <sharpen047> although vid card just reached 180 F
[21:51:32] <asah> sounds like video problems. =)
[21:51:45] <asah> may be hardware related. =) is there a fan on there? is it spinning?
[21:51:48] <sharpen047> sounds like mobo
[21:51:52] <sharpen047> both video cards do it
[21:51:58] <sharpen047> one pci one agp
[21:52:48] <sharpen047> just remembering they dont even make agp anymore
[21:54:02] <sharpen047> ok says ext-2 fs error. device loop1 ext2-free-blocks freeing blocks not in datazon
[21:54:03] <sharpen047> e
[21:57:36] <asah> not sure.
[21:57:54] <asah> this is on usb boot?
[21:58:30] <asah> do you have another box you could test this HD on?
[21:59:29] <sharpen047> not sure that it would boot on an intel based pc
[21:59:33] <sharpen047> i can double check
[22:00:56] <sharpen047> oh look another AGP card
[22:01:52] <sharpen047> AND its got DVI
[22:03:57] <sharpen047> woah its an old server board. i got this PC free for fixing some tvs
[22:06:52] <sharpen047> ok same thing in this pc. wont get past driver loads
[22:08:40] <asah> how much data do you care about on that thing?
[22:08:54] <asah> sounds like a fresh install on a new hd might be a good idea.
[22:09:01] <asah> copy your data off, that whole thing.
[22:09:33] <asah> sounds like things are pretty unstable on that hardware though.
[22:09:44] <sharpen047> um. let me try a kubuntu cd
[22:09:58] <sharpen047> which sucks because i also have a windows part on here i use.
[22:10:28] <asah> does the windows partition boot?
[22:10:46] <sharpen047> yes
[22:11:49] <sharpen047> no USB boot on this machine
[22:12:15] <asah> and no cdrom burner / drive?
[22:13:31] <sharpen047> dvd rom
[22:13:39] <sharpen047> i have a mouse!
[22:14:48] <sharpen047> not that i remember how to chroot
[22:15:09] <sharpen047> seems like im just full of surprises
[22:15:23] <asah> good way to spend a friday night.
[22:15:35] <asah> =)
[22:15:40] <sharpen047> wouldnt have it any other way
[22:15:55] <asah> did your kubuntu live cd work?
[22:16:00] <asah> what are you booted with?
[22:16:03] <sharpen047> i studied computer science in college. and it JUST finished
[22:16:07] <sharpen047> 12.04 kubuntu
[22:16:52] <sharpen047> it sees my usb drive so i can copy everything to it
[22:16:55] <asah> cool… cs is fun times.
[22:17:12] <sharpen047> ill copy my config files before we go further
[22:17:13] <asah> and you can see the mounted HD?
[22:17:20] <asah> good thinking.
[22:17:26] <asah> CYA
[22:17:38] <asah> (hi Jymmm) =)
[22:17:49] <sharpen047> you leaving?
[22:17:56] <sharpen047> i can see the HD
[22:18:12] <asah> no. just thanking poking some fun at Jymmm
[22:18:40] <asah> Cover Your A**
[22:18:43] <asah> CYA
[22:19:01] <asah> =)
[22:19:11] <sharpen047> where are the ini files located again?
[22:19:20] <sharpen047> AW i cant save my tuxplot
[22:19:25] <sharpen047> what a bummer
[22:19:28] <asah> often ~/linuxcnc/configs
[22:21:49] <sharpen047> ~?
[22:21:55] <asah> ~ is $HOME
[22:22:07] <asah> your home dir
[22:22:30] <asah> typically /home/username
[22:23:19] <sharpen047> how do i view hidden files in dolphin?
[22:23:53] <sharpen047> got it
[22:25:00] <sharpen047> ok cool. just need to find tuxplot
[22:26:20] <sharpen047> configuring tux for gcode sucks too. using my cnc with a vinyl attatchment i made in the garage isnt easy
[22:26:27] <sharpen047> ok all backed up
[22:27:42] <asah> sweet. anything else you need from there?
[22:29:07] <sharpen047> nope doesnt look like it.
[22:29:40] <sharpen047> im hoping i dont have to erase anything. but will if i have to. chroot and install video drivers right?
[22:30:29] <asah> yep.
[22:30:57] <sharpen047> 'ok now to chroot? haha not sure. let me find a guide or something
[22:31:33] <asah> yep. I would google it. happy to help if you get stuck.
[22:32:09] <asah> not that I know everything. happy to bounce ideas. =) where are you located?
[22:37:39] <sharpen047> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1156240 i got to chroot and it says no such file or directory
[22:37:48] <sharpen047> CA USA
[22:38:20] <asah> me too. sonoma county.
[22:38:22] <sharpen047> dont judge :P what about you? its getting late here so you can only be later
[22:38:27] <sharpen047> ah ok
[22:39:12] <sharpen047> im near LA.
[22:39:34] <asah> ok, so mount -a says what?
[22:39:49] <sharpen047> no output
[22:39:58] <asah> sorry. mount
[22:39:59] <asah> no -a
[22:40:50] <asah> that guide has no mounting of your drive.
[22:40:55] <sharpen047> proc dev sys and pts are all mounted
[22:41:05] <sharpen047> drive is mounted because its kubuntu and i accessed it already
[22:41:06] <sharpen047> auto mount
[22:41:14] <asah> so you just made a clean chroot with no drive access.
[22:43:03] <asah> where is your harddrive mounted? /mnt/blah ?
[22:44:30] <sharpen047> no idea.
[22:44:44] <sharpen047> cant remember how to check from cd drive
[22:44:53] <pcw_home> df
[22:45:09] <pcw_home> for example
[22:46:03] <asah> sharpen047: are you close to culver city ever?
[22:46:46] <asah> you could drag your rig down to crashspace on a tuesday night and get a bunch of help.
[22:46:47] <sharpen047> dont travel much
[22:47:07] <sharpen047> ssh would work too
[22:47:19] <asah> crashspace.org
[22:47:44] <asah> good hardware hackers, linux lovers.
[22:49:20] <sharpen047> riverside is about 2 hours away which isnt bad. im more likely to buy another hard drive for the price of that haha. i figured this would be easy but ubuntu channel doesnt help because its not 12.04 or newer
[22:50:13] <asah> yeah, this should not be impossible.
[22:50:25] <asah> but seems like strange instability.
[22:51:29] <sharpen047> its /dev/sda
[22:51:36] <sharpen047> kpart
[22:51:49] <asah> and does it show up in the output of mount ?
[22:52:51] <sharpen047> sda 1 and 2 do
[22:53:24] <sharpen047> sda1 is linux part
[22:54:13] <asah> mount for me shows: /dev/mapper/sgdev—vg—root on / type ext4
[22:54:36] <asah> which is a volume group, but I am asking you about the “on” part.
[22:54:45] <asah> that tells you where the partition is mounted.
[22:55:07] <sharpen047> on as well
[22:55:30] <sharpen047> media/device id*
[23:00:42] <asah> so your /dev/sda1 is mounted to /media/sda1 or ?
[23:00:58] <sharpen047> not sda1 but the 8659e blah blah
[23:04:08] <asah> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[23:04:19] <asah> Update Failure section.
[23:08:46] <sharpen047> ok im in
[23:08:53] <sharpen047> updated
[23:10:05] <asah> cool
[23:10:22] <sharpen047> so i can install drivers now?
[23:11:08] <asah> yep
[23:11:27] <asah> which ones do you want to try out?
[23:12:36] <sharpen047> well i dont recall vesa working
[23:12:48] <sharpen047> nvidias caused realtime errors
[23:12:55] <sharpen047> nouveau if i can.
[23:13:07] <sharpen047> what would you try?
[23:13:40] <asah> I would try the nvidias first. confirm realtime errors, then you could fallback to nv, then to nouveau.
[23:13:55] <asah> that is try the nvidia binary closed source driver.
[23:13:57] <asah> first
[23:14:06] <sharpen047> ok which one is that?
[23:16:43] <asah> try this:
http://lightrush.ndoytchev.com/random-1/updatenvidiabinarydriverinubuntulucidormaverickviappa
[23:20:29] <sharpen047> i should enable too right? before i reboot
[23:21:06] <asah> try =)
[23:23:33] <sharpen047> ok so i have to reboot before i enable the video drivers?
[23:28:16] <asah> probably.
[23:28:27] <asah> the article says thatn.
[23:28:35] <asah> you could try and just enable before reboot.
[23:28:48] <asah> you may have to jump back into the chroot though.
[23:29:02] <sharpen047> ok hard drive is in on other pc
[23:29:12] <sharpen047> boots fine in p4 pc. good to know
[23:29:24] <sharpen047> indicator applet encoutered a problem
[23:29:26] <sharpen047> delete or dont delete
[23:29:40] <sharpen047> clock closed unexpectedly?
[23:29:46] <asah> delete what?
[23:30:08] <asah> boots fine? celebration!
[23:30:13] <sharpen047> IT DOES!
[23:30:15] <sharpen047> THANKS A LOT
[23:30:21] <sharpen047> think it was an auto update?
[23:31:05] <asah> probably. I turn that off for production machines.
[23:31:24] <sharpen047> im running 2.5.3 isnt that older? and how do i disable auto updates? i thought i had it off
[23:32:03] <sharpen047> emc wont open gah
[23:32:26] <sharpen047> GLX missing on display 0
[23:32:42] <asah> lsmod |grep nvidia
[23:32:48] <asah> did you “enable” the driver?
[23:33:51] <sharpen047> i did not and nvidia_agp
[23:34:30] <asah> try the “enable” step
[23:35:46] <sharpen047> unknown driver xorg:nvidia-current
[23:36:13] <asah> replace nvidia-current with nvidia_agp
[23:36:30] <sharpen047> unknown driver
[23:37:58] <asah> nvidia-agp ?
[23:38:09] <sharpen047> says use --list to see available drivers
[23:38:34] <sharpen047> none output
[23:38:45] <asah> jockey-text --list
[23:38:48] <asah> ah. ok.
[23:38:50] <sharpen047> also says use the hardware driver program but same thing. doesnt list any
[23:39:04] <asah> os probably too old
[23:39:54] <sharpen047> hard to tell if emc is really supported anymore. 10.04?
[23:40:14] <sharpen047> i know they just came out with 2.6
[23:40:16] <asah> try finding what the supported nvdia driver is for that model gforce and 10.04
[23:40:29] <sharpen047> i downloaded it from nvidia
[23:40:39] <sharpen047> nouveau did
[23:40:43] <sharpen047> i know thats what i used
[23:40:51] <sharpen047> nouveau i meanm
[23:41:37] <asah> =)
[23:41:55] <asah> well you now know how to get back from uninstalling if if it doesnt work.
[23:43:31] <sharpen047> uninstall these and reinstall nouveau?
[23:45:44] <asah> go for it. =)
[23:45:52] <asah> what is the output of glxgears ?
[23:46:14] <sharpen047> glx missing on display 0
[23:50:25] <sharpen047> no open gl
