#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-07-29

[00:13:33] <ssi> that almost worked out well :P
[00:18:47] <PetefromTn> can't sleep LOL
[00:19:40] <ssi> :)
[00:19:51] <ssi> I'mmabout to try this cut again
[00:20:21] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn: me either
[00:20:40] <XXCoder1> you probably kept thinking about conversion to cnc thing :)
[00:21:24] <PetefromTn> yeah man I think I am gonna post an ad looking for a dirt cheap trailer LOL
[00:21:39] <XXCoder1> "no wheels is fine"
[00:21:55] <PetefromTn> exactly
[00:22:36] <PetefromTn> I think I may be onto something here if I can find the RIGHT trailer
[00:23:00] <XXCoder1> boat ones tend to have few metal crossings but hella lot stronger
[00:23:51] <PetefromTn> Imma ask my local Facebook friends too see if anyone has some broken trailer sitting in the yard they want outta their way hehehe.
[00:23:59] <XXCoder1> :)
[00:24:38] <PetefromTn> I don't think boat trailers are gonna work at all man. at least none of the kinds I am used to seeing.
[00:25:44] <XXCoder1> pobably depends on type. I saw some that really has very strong beams
[00:26:56] <PetefromTn> sure but the stronger ones are usually tilted in to allow the boat to sit lower on the frame which would basically make it useless unless all you wanted it for was just the raw materials.
[00:27:07] <XXCoder1> hmm true
[00:27:53] <XXCoder1> well night
[00:28:04] <PetefromTn> http://www.mechmate.com/
[00:28:17] <PetefromTn> nite man.
[00:28:40] <PetefromTn> ssi whaddahell are you doing now man?
[00:33:49] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10568982_10100437891988452_2420134775619752362_n.jpg?oh=e3d94ce3a1dd59755cd736378f78f610&oe=544F0EC2&__gda__=1413441469_9865240ca53003752d30486b913ce159
[00:34:16] <ssi> I haven't figured out power/feedrate combo to etch acrylic nicely
[00:34:20] <ssi> it works, but it's not pretty
[00:34:23] <ssi> the cuts look great tho
[00:35:06] <PetefromTn> damn that is cool.
[00:36:45] <Valen> sexeh
[00:37:18] <ssi> I bought four sheets of 1/4" plywood tonight
[00:37:31] <ssi> I found plans online to make a laser cut plywood violin
[00:37:32] <ssi> hahaha
[00:38:04] <ssi> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:10755
[00:39:39] <Valen> heh 8 bit style
[00:40:44] <Valen> I wonder how it sounds
[00:42:09] <ssi> I wonder
[00:42:16] <PetefromTn> jeez man you would think with a CNC they could come up with something more elegant than that. looks like something from my kids favorite video game
[00:42:28] <ssi> PetefromTn: that's the point :P
[00:42:44] <ssi> PetefromTn: your old man is showing
[00:42:57] <PetefromTn> cannot remember the damn name right now
[00:43:15] <PetefromTn> hey kiss it!
[00:43:34] <PetefromTn> how old are you again?
[00:44:17] <ssi> not as old as you!
[00:44:18] <ssi> :D
[00:45:25] <PetefromTn> minecraft that's the one.
[00:45:54] <PetefromTn> looks like a damn minecraft violin
[00:46:00] <ssi> haha yep
[00:46:35] <PetefromTn> whaddya think of my crazy old man idea?
[00:46:58] <ssi> I think it'd be cheaper to buy a truckload of steel and fabricate, and more likely to get what you want :)
[00:47:38] <PetefromTn> I doubt it. to make a full sheet table will take quite a lot of steel.
[00:47:59] <ssi> I built a half-sheet table, and I'd say I have $300 in steel for it
[00:48:07] <ssi> and it's all 3/16" wall 2x4 rectangle tube
[00:48:09] <ssi> strong as hell
[00:49:02] <PetefromTn> sure but that will probably not fly for a full sheet table.
[00:49:23] <ssi> if you say so
[00:49:45] <PetefromTn> at least not without considerable support and bracing.
[00:49:47] <ssi> this one holds 4x4x1" thick steel plus 50 gal water with no problem
[00:51:01] <PetefromTn> I am sure it does. but to make a full sheet table you would basically double the materials and then some
[00:51:32] <PetefromTn> so $6-700.00 based on what you spent most likely.
[00:53:21] <PetefromTn> I'm just saying it could be a way to get a long way towards a large table for very little outlay especially if you sold off the parts left over.
[00:53:35] <ssi> well go do it and report back
[00:53:38] <ssi> I'm goin to bed
[02:09:42] <Deejay> moin
[03:09:57] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:25:15] <Loetmichel> soo, soldered the seams of the first few shielding boxes... i dont like that SN95.5ag3 for electrnics, but for soldering enclosures its very fine ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15093
[05:17:20] <TekniQue> Loetmichel: yeah, Sn-Ag blends are excellent for soldering sheet metal and such
[06:29:38] <SpeedEvil> And with more Ag - excellent for harder stuff
[06:29:43] <SpeedEvil> (bandsaw blades say)
[06:30:24] <Loetmichel> TekniQue: i cant weld them because they are already zinced
[06:30:31] <Loetmichel> so i had to resort to soldering
[06:32:04] <Loetmichel> sooo, delivery of soup recived... LUNCHTIME!" -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15096 ;-)
[08:18:58] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, its not even glorified! https://www.redpah.com/product/519/gelfeed-glue-electric-feeder
[08:41:20] <Jymmm> I saw a sample of carbon fiber yesterday, It was two layers epoxied on the left, and a 1mm thick "stabilizer" added in the middle on the right. The left way very flexible, but the right was incredibly rigid. I was walking around the store trying to flex/bow/bend and it just wouldn't give. The stabilizer (in it's raw form) looks/feels like 1mm soft cotton batting, completely flexible in all directions.
[08:42:40] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: physics
[08:42:55] <mutilator> Jymmm: magics
[08:43:00] <Loetmichel> a 1" pipe is nearly as rigid as an 1" rod.
[08:43:20] <Loetmichel> same for the carbon: it "thickens" where the stabilizuer is
[08:43:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: mutilator voodoo
[08:43:36] <Loetmichel> the inner layers dont bear any force anyways
[08:44:11] <Loetmichel> i did a lot of stuff with carbon and glass fibre boards with aramid paper honeycomb core
[08:44:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4408&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[08:44:56] <Loetmichel> thats a 7mm thick sheet of these honeycomb glassfibre sandwich
[08:45:14] <Loetmichel> you can put it on some stad left and right and kneel in the middle
[08:45:23] <Loetmichel> and i am >>100kg
[08:46:48] <Loetmichel> i made a set of ribs fopr a big model plane of the same stuff with carbon... nearly indestructible, but weighting next to nothing
[08:46:56] * archivist points at the Open University set book The new science of strong materials J.E. Gordon Penguin Books 1978
[08:47:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4772&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[08:47:21] <Loetmichel> the tiles are 32cm by 32cm!
[08:48:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=6743&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 there you can see the honeycomb paper in the cuts: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=6743&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[08:48:44] <Loetmichel> 252 grams quadcoter chassis ... with 80cm diameter
[08:48:46] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[08:48:49] <Loetmichel> +p
[08:49:51] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: it may seem like voodoo, but its just physics
[08:51:53] <Jymmm> No, it's voodoo! They had a frog and witch doctor there too!
[08:52:50] <Jymmm> oh, and zombies too!
[09:04:31] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich-structured_composite
[09:05:18] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich_theory
[09:17:18] <Loetmichel> ssi: like i said: just physics
[09:17:20] <Loetmichel> :-)
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[09:28:23] <skunkworks_> Woot! Whoot!
[09:30:33] <cradek> yay!!
[09:31:24] <Loetmichel> *rimshot*
[09:44:29] <ReadError> ssi
[09:44:31] <ReadError> you laser
[09:44:34] <ReadError> your laser*
[09:44:38] <ReadError> are you doing it from scratch?
[10:05:22] <ssi> yes
[10:08:18] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140729-hellmanns-3d-prints-selfies-out-of-mayonnaise.html not even glue :) I should post a youtube of one printing with Elmers
[10:09:51] <ssi> there is pva filament on the market
[10:11:57] <CaptHindsight> Hellmans is to mayonnaise as Elmers is to PVA
[10:12:15] <ssi> yeah but nobody makes mayonnaise filament :D
[10:12:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yes, the damn glorified glue gun aka "3d printer" has now a new low... Not just mayo, but selfies in mayo. <wipes away the tear of the lost humanity in the world>
[10:12:26] <CaptHindsight> yet
[10:13:03] <Jymmm> Just wait for the "pasta printer" *heavy sigh*.
[10:13:22] <CaptHindsight> do a quick search it's out there
[10:13:36] <Jymmm> No
[10:13:47] <Jymmm> I don't want to know
[10:14:06] <Jymmm> I REJECT your reality, and replace it with my own!
[10:39:47] <eeriegeek> I'm launching a kickstarter for a sandwich scraper to recover/reuse mayo in 3D printers.
[10:41:44] <ssi> eeriegeek++
[10:42:43] <CaptHindsight> eeriegeek: will it separate and filter mayo, mustard, ketchup and vegetable particles using a *duino in some way?
[10:42:48] <Jymmm> I'm launching a kickstarter to fight against bigotry and to include mustard and ketchup along with mayo in 3D printers! NO H8
[10:43:32] <CaptHindsight> ... using a smartphone while at the beach
[10:53:06] <tjtr33> at the beach? kicksandstarter = shades of Joe Weider http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Atlas-Mac-ad.jpg
[10:54:50] <tjtr33> and the mayo picture looks like Ronald McDonald for some reason
[10:55:40] <CaptHindsight> great excuse for insulting people, it makes men out of them :p
[10:56:56] <CaptHindsight> the good ol days when every TV show and comic book solved the problem with fighting
[10:57:21] <jdh> we still do.
[11:01:01] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: I was thinking Colonel Sanders
[11:05:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140729-5-meter-tall-giant-magna-delta-3d-printer-unveiled-by-japanese-creators.html VS http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/07/27/seemecnc-prepares-unveil-daddy-3d-printers/
[11:06:21] <CaptHindsight> I can't decide which one is the most silly
[11:07:06] <syyl_ws> calling 3d printers stupid? :D
[11:07:29] <syyl_ws> gloryfied hotglueguns?
[11:07:54] <CaptHindsight> the one from Japan is a bit more rigid
[11:09:28] <CaptHindsight> must have better than +- 10cm repeatability
[11:21:05] <syyl_ws> :D
[11:21:11] <syyl_ws> i prefer real machine tools
[11:21:33] <syyl_ws> made of this strange, non hipster material
[11:21:43] <syyl_ws> called "cast iron" and "steel"
[11:22:32] <ssi> syyl_ws: I call that "reverse 3D printing"
[11:22:40] <ssi> where you start with a big block of metal and selectively remove bits
[11:22:46] <ssi> it's going to revolutionize the 3D printing industry
[11:22:53] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a fad
[11:23:04] <syyl_ws> thats awesome, ssi :D
[11:23:14] <ssi> I think in a few years everything will be made with my groundbreaking new technology
[11:23:18] <ssi> cars, houses, tools, everything
[11:23:19] <syyl_ws> ;)
[11:23:44] <syyl_ws> i just did 3d printing in my own shop!
[11:23:52] <syyl_ws> weld buildup with tig ;)
[11:23:58] <ssi> :)
[11:24:04] <ssi> people have built 3d printers that work that way, heh
[11:24:19] <syyl_ws> i have seen a wirefeed 3d printer
[11:24:24] <syyl_ws> like a mig gun
[11:24:31] <ssi> yea
[11:24:35] <syyl_ws> das "kinda interesting"
[11:24:49] <ssi> I'm with you on that... 4/10, wouldn't build :D
[11:24:56] <syyl_ws> :D
[11:25:14] <ssi> I like 3d printers... they're fun and can be useful
[11:25:25] <ssi> I think very few people that have them use them well
[11:25:42] <ssi> most of the hipsters sit around and print bullshit toys and dream about a world where everything is 3d printed
[11:25:47] <syyl_ws> ah
[11:25:49] <syyl_ws> bre pettis!
[11:25:58] <ssi> I use mine to make parts for my bigger machines where it's an acceptable process and material
[11:25:58] <syyl_ws> the incarnation of the hipsterdevil
[11:26:07] <ssi> the mirror mounts and tube mounts for my laser are 3d printed
[11:26:15] <CaptHindsight> did they used to call it additive manufacturing or rapid prototyping?
[11:26:28] <ssi> both? I dunno :P
[11:26:40] <syyl_ws> hermle had a machine in planing
[11:26:50] <syyl_ws> milling machine that could also do additive machining
[11:26:54] <CaptHindsight> and wasn't 3d printing just the type that used inkjet
[11:27:05] <syyl_ws> "hermle alchemiy"
[11:27:08] <syyl_ws> kinda cool name :D
[12:23:21] <JT-Shop> it ain't going well today, just smoked my only two O drills
[12:27:54] <syyl_ws> i have a great shop day ;)
[12:28:07] <syyl_ws> got some casehardening compound like kasenite
[12:28:13] <syyl_ws> and it works beautyfull
[12:30:50] <syyl_ws> and just finished a nice toolholder for my shaper
[12:32:09] <JT-Shop> nice
[12:33:27] <IchGuckLive> hi aƶll B)
[12:34:16] <IchGuckLive> oh reealy today its now the 2.6.0
[12:34:22] <IchGuckLive> nice
[12:35:27] <IchGuckLive> someone had any updating issues on 10.04
[12:36:01] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: 80l/Hr we got badly hit and submurged today
[12:37:05] * Loetmichel reaches thru the channel and gives IchGuckLive a few dirt water pumps
[12:37:15] <IchGuckLive> K6MLE: did you find a solothion that might work on your Z
[12:37:37] <IchGuckLive> i got 3 at 15.000L7Hr
[12:37:48] <IchGuckLive> but without power no way
[12:38:10] <IchGuckLive> and for the traktor pump not enoph at the time
[12:39:30] <JT-Shop> I mig welded the holes up, I wonder if I should have stick welded them?
[12:41:56] <syyl_ws> the linkage you showed yesterday?
[12:42:22] <JT-Shop> yea
[12:42:34] <syyl_ws> hmm
[12:42:43] <syyl_ws> i still would have brazed it
[12:42:52] <syyl_ws> but i think theres nothing wrong with mig
[12:43:35] <ssi> IchGuckLive: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10568982_10100437891988452_2420134775619752362_n.jpg?oh=e3d94ce3a1dd59755cd736378f78f610&oe=544F0EC2&__gda__=1413441469_9865240ca53003752d30486b913ce159
[12:44:13] <Loetmichel> ssi: hmm, in acrylic?
[12:44:20] <ssi> yes
[12:44:30] <ssi> also: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10439508_10100437682458352_6553217273252495204_n.jpg?oh=aed3c57572229aea09b2981e94176812&oe=543D55D5&__gda__=1414156720_69b62fccd6b9730ae88859085e39c228
[12:44:35] <ssi> 1/4" oak plywood
[12:44:36] <Loetmichel> i wondow hol long its last before the dreaded spider web emerges
[12:44:52] <Loetmichel> wonder
[12:45:03] <Loetmichel> i made the same in 1.5mm aluminium
[12:45:12] <IchGuckLive> nice you got ahad of all the problems
[12:45:12] <ssi> you have more power than me then :D
[12:45:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13143
[12:45:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13107&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:46:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13116&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:46:01] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[12:46:11] <Loetmichel> no, mill, not laser
[12:46:14] <ssi> ah ok hehe
[12:46:20] <ssi> gonna say, 1.5mm aluminum takes many kw
[12:46:34] <ssi> panels look good tho
[12:46:50] <Loetmichel> the insides of the mill base not so much ;-)
[12:47:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13149 <- its a bit crammed inside there ;-)
[12:47:27] <K6MLE> Hi all ... Ich: this still needs some fine-tuning on the Z, but the boss has told me to halt my work on that project ... says he doesn't want to spend any more money (my time) on it ... :(
[12:47:46] <K6MLE> Hi all
[12:47:56] <IchGuckLive> up to him #
[12:48:11] <K6MLE> Yep ... he signs the checks!
[12:48:22] <IchGuckLive> i dont even think the mill can handel any tool or part force at all
[12:48:39] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: mine can
[12:48:46] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:48:51] <K6MLE> He will be gone for a few days next week, so I might sneak out there and work with it just a bit ...
[12:48:53] <Loetmichel> and its even slightly smaller than his
[12:48:59] <IchGuckLive> 1.5mm AL showes the prove
[12:49:12] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: your scale is
[12:49:51] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzOtqYhpHIM
[12:50:04] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLjMg0Nitk
[12:50:35] <Loetmichel> ssi: whole mill with the cpu in the base: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLjMg0Nitk
[12:50:41] <Loetmichel> grr
[12:50:42] <Loetmichel> sorry
[12:51:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13131&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- there it is
[12:51:10] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: you know my home mill, dont you?
[12:51:17] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:51:43] <IchGuckLive> is the homemade spindle still on
[12:51:49] <Loetmichel> right
[12:51:51] <ssi> Loetmichel: looks good
[12:51:57] <ssi> I need to get my mill done :/
[12:52:10] <Loetmichel> ssi: thats a mill i make for a co-worker
[12:52:11] <IchGuckLive> ssi: makew money with the laser
[12:52:18] <Loetmichel> ... never gets done it seems
[12:52:30] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I'd like to
[12:52:34] <ssi> but it needs to be bulletproof first
[12:52:37] <ssi> and I need exhaust badly heh
[12:52:42] <Loetmichel> i should kick my own butt and get it fricking done ;-)
[12:52:56] <IchGuckLive> go to all carpenters and wood man also the design people around you decorator
[12:53:09] <IchGuckLive> make a flier 5000 for less then 20USD
[12:53:16] <IchGuckLive> flyer
[12:53:28] <IchGuckLive> you will be a ritch man soon
[12:53:36] <ssi> make what, exactly?
[12:53:53] <IchGuckLive> kitchen engravings
[12:53:59] <IchGuckLive> home improvment
[12:54:25] <syyl_ws> and 3d printed crap! ;)
[12:54:33] <ssi> heh I don't sell 3d printed crap
[12:54:37] <IchGuckLive> fun for your home Style up your Woodfurniture
[12:54:41] <ssi> I am trying to get a short production run for the plasma tho
[12:54:51] <ssi> guy that's making gate latches of a patent design he came up with
[12:54:55] <ssi> I cut the prototypes for him
[12:55:00] <ssi> 3/16" steel, and they came out gorgeous
[12:55:02] <syyl_ws> that sounds more like it
[12:55:14] <syyl_ws> "steel"
[12:55:15] <syyl_ws> :D
[12:55:17] <ssi> plasma is running great these days
[12:55:32] <ssi> also I cut my Z accel down by a LOT and it seems to have taken care of the thc lost motion issue
[12:55:48] <IchGuckLive> ssi i can agree 100% makin now the 5th plasma for the shop
[12:56:01] <ssi> I need to try to more finely calibrate my motion on it
[12:56:04] <syyl_ws> there are days i want a plasma or oxyfuel cutting table too...
[12:56:05] <ssi> and maybe add a belt reduction back to X
[12:56:15] <ssi> and work on the squareness of the gantry
[12:56:26] <ssi> it's hard to measure without just cutting a big slab of steel
[12:56:27] <IchGuckLive> i only use worm on my plasmas
[12:56:36] <IchGuckLive> Rack and pinion
[12:56:44] <ssi> my Y is rack and pinion
[12:56:49] <ssi> X used to be but I changed it to belt
[12:56:54] <IchGuckLive> the Z is a balscrew
[12:56:59] <ssi> Z is acme on mine
[12:57:06] <ssi> I don't care about super precision in Z
[12:57:12] <ssi> THC is gonna monkey with it anyway
[12:57:18] <IchGuckLive> THC got full control
[12:57:47] <IchGuckLive> only a inch of water so i limited the Z down in Hard way
[12:58:09] <IchGuckLive> only 100 mm Z move
[12:58:14] <IchGuckLive> 4 inches
[12:58:25] <ssi> mine's about 3.5"
[12:58:29] <ssi> and I have 4" of water
[12:59:06] <IchGuckLive> on large table size water is a weight issue
[13:00:17] <IchGuckLive> 750KG on my size and depth is enoph to care about
[13:00:49] <IchGuckLive> its also 800 liters of sorige filtering and pumping so its a factor
[13:00:51] <ssi> mine's "only" 48"x58"
[13:00:53] <ssi> 48x48
[13:01:02] <ssi> travel... it's 54"x54" water table
[13:01:13] <ssi> holds about 35gal
[13:01:17] <ssi> I have a 55gal sump
[13:01:23] <ssi> and I don't filter it
[13:01:28] <ssi> probably should I guess heh
[13:01:53] <IchGuckLive> in the US water is free as Water return 2
[13:02:03] <IchGuckLive> or cheep
[13:02:14] <ssi> well I mix it with chemicals
[13:02:18] <IchGuckLive> her in germany you got to pay for frech and dirt water
[13:04:17] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: iss Red Zone weather Flashings at ypour living area still no water
[13:04:32] <Loetmichel> a bit water
[13:04:34] <Loetmichel> not much
[13:05:01] <IchGuckLive> http://www.unwetterzentrale.de/uwz/
[13:05:01] <Loetmichel> 'til now: no sea on the backyard
[13:05:49] <IchGuckLive> http://www.wettergefahren.de/app/ws/index.jsp?view=map&land_code=TR&height=x&warn_type=2
[13:09:08] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: Best of all is DWD still isues a WBI Wildfire index red
[13:09:41] <IchGuckLive> http://www.wettergefahren.de/warnungen/indizes/waldbrand.html
[13:18:34] <IchGuckLive> ok im off has been a realy bad day here get a rest ;-)
[13:18:38] <IchGuckLive> BYE
[13:21:16] <JT-Shop> crap, I can't even make a simple part today
[13:21:29] <jdh> make a complicated part.
[13:23:06] <ssi> :D
[13:26:08] <CaptHindsight> heh, I just broke five 1/8" bits drilling 10 holes in .030" stainless, it's one of those days
[13:27:39] <jdh> someone wanted me to tap two 4-40 holes in 1/8" SS the other day. I ran out of taps.
[13:28:26] <ssi> hate tiny holes
[13:28:32] <ssi> at least in metal :P
[13:28:42] <archivist> wimps :)
[13:29:00] <ssi> even 6061 aluminum will eat some taps if you're not careful
[13:29:00] <CaptHindsight> 1 bit for the first 6 holes, 3 bits on #7
[13:30:02] <CaptHindsight> 120 more holes to go
[13:30:47] <ssi> oh boy
[13:31:52] <CaptHindsight> 5 x 12 = 60, going to more bits
[13:31:59] <jdh> would have been ok maybe if I had more than a hand drill and a c-clamp
[13:49:09] <Jymmm> YEOW, live worm in eyeball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQuHnPFNEl4
[13:49:30] <ssi> yeah no thanks
[14:01:03] * JT-Shop attempts to clean the band saw without screwing that job up
[14:01:31] * Jymmm hides JT-Shop's garden hose(s).
[14:03:29] <syyl_> is it a "break what you touch"-day, JT-Shop?
[14:03:54] <syyl_> in those cases i go to full stop and wait untill the day is over ;)
[14:05:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yesh, the best thing to do is JUST WALK AWAY... put everything down, and just walk away for an hour or so. go for a walk, go for a drive, just get away from it all for a bit.
[14:05:52] <syyl_> and dont do one thing: try to fix it
[14:05:59] <syyl_> that made it in my case always worse
[14:08:04] <Jymmm> ^DONT try to fix it that is =)
[14:27:31] <DarkAlchemist> does anyone know what extra is good to add to a size of a hole so the screw, or bolt, will just slide in? .1mm enough for that?
[14:28:01] <Loetmichel> 0 is good
[14:28:10] <ssi> use a clearance table
[14:28:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: oh no it's not!
[14:28:15] <Loetmichel> screws are slightly undersize.
[14:28:20] <Loetmichel> at least metric
[14:28:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: a 0.500 rod will NOT fit in a 0.500 hole =)
[14:28:35] <ssi> http://www.physics.ncsu.edu/pearl/Tap_Drill_Chart.html
[14:28:57] <Jymmm> DarkAlchemist: Try adding 15% and see if that works for you.
[14:28:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: an M5 screw will fit perfectly in a 5.00mm hole
[14:29:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: a 0.500 rod will NOT fit in a 0.500 hole, period.
[14:29:17] <Loetmichel> th thread
[14:29:23] <ssi> althouh those clearances look pretty generous :P
[14:29:34] <DarkAlchemist> well, I was in the market for some drill bits and wondering what size to get so thanks everyone
[14:30:04] <DarkAlchemist> 10mm, and sometimes 12mm, is as big as I will ever go for the most part
[14:30:07] <Loetmichel> for a 5.00 mm smooth rod/bolt i would use 5.1mm
[14:30:10] <Loetmichel> hole
[14:30:30] <ssi> also drills tend to cut slightly oversize
[14:30:33] <DarkAlchemist> 3mm 3.1 bit?
[14:30:43] <Jymmm> iirc 1/4-20 bolts WILL fit in a 0.250" hole.
[14:30:57] <Jymmm> as the bolts isn't really 1/4"
[14:31:15] <Jymmm> that's just the nominal dimension
[14:31:35] <Jymmm> like 2x4's aen't 2x4, theyre 3.5x1.5
[14:31:54] <ssi> that's more because the lumber industry charges you for the unfinished dimensions :)
[14:32:21] <Jymmm> No, it's S4S, surfaced on four sides.
[14:32:39] <ssi> how exactly does that warrant "no"
[14:32:42] <ssi> you just like being contrary?
[14:32:47] <Jymmm> a rough cut 2x4 is 2"x4"
[14:32:58] <DarkAlchemist> funny because ancient times ago a 2x4 was really 2x4 but to conserve wood in one of the world wars we started shorting them. The reason in the old 1800's, or earlier, houses finding the exact size beams is a PITA and has to be reclaimed wood from other older homes or specially milled.
[14:33:43] <Jymmm> rough cut lumber is close to actual dimensions, it's SURFACED lumber that is not.
[14:34:00] <DarkAlchemist> right but rough cut is not what beams are made of
[14:34:01] <Jymmm> If you are making a cattle fence, you could care less for surfaced lumber
[14:34:02] <ssi> that's exactly what I said
[14:34:05] <Loetmichel> btw: thats what i said above: a m5 thread WILL fit in a 5.00 mm hole
[14:34:07] <ssi> they charge you for the rough dimensions
[14:34:17] <Loetmichel> because the m5 thread is only 4.9 or so
[14:34:40] <ssi> haha jymmm you're telling two people simultaneously that they're wrong while telling them exachtly what tehy said to begin with
[14:34:41] <Jymmm> ssi: that may have been what you meant, but that's not what you said.
[14:34:43] <ssi> congrats on that
[14:34:48] <DarkAlchemist> reason a 5.1 would give it very easy slide through but not so much as to create play
[14:34:59] <ssi> I said "the lumber industry charges you for the unfinished dimensions"
[14:35:03] <ssi> 2x4 is the unfinished dimension
[14:35:23] <ssi> they charge you for a 2x4, and delivery you a finished, S4S 3.5x1.5" dimensioned piece
[14:35:24] <Jymmm> rough cut lumber is cheaper, they are charging you for surfacing it.
[14:35:37] <ssi> ugh never mind
[14:35:40] <Loetmichel> i think Jymmm needs a bit of "clue by 4" ;-)
[14:35:45] <ssi> Loetmichel: ^5
[14:35:55] <Deejay> re
[14:36:05] * Loetmichel hi5es ssi
[14:36:40] <Jymmm> ssi: souldn'y you be lasering or blowing shit up?
[14:36:53] <ssi> unfortunately I have to sit at a desk and pretend like I'm working today
[14:37:09] <DarkAlchemist> according to the chart a M3 wants a 3.4mm clearance hole? that is pretty freaking big.
[14:37:22] <ssi> DarkAlchemist: yeah that chart has really huge clearances for some reason
[14:37:27] <ssi> says 12mm for M10, which seems absurd :)
[14:37:41] <DarkAlchemist> 12mm for 10mm? OMG, lol
[14:38:02] <Loetmichel> ssi: i tend to do 3.5mm and even 4mm holes in the lids of meatal boxes i bend
[14:38:11] <Loetmichel> for m3 scews
[14:38:12] <Jymmm> and Loetmichel, go shield something!
[14:38:30] <Loetmichel> to avoid get stuck because of misalingments
[14:38:39] <ssi> Jymmm: don't you have a whole bunch of poker chips to engrave one at a time?
[14:38:51] <DarkAlchemist> for 10mm on my 3d printer I make them 10.6mm that accounts for shrinkage and polyholes and the 10mm slides right in.
[14:38:57] <ssi> Loetmichel: yeah I do the same thing... too close a hole tolerance will ruin your day :)
[14:39:04] <DarkAlchemist> 12mm for 10mm is just insane
[14:39:05] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: *SIT!*
[14:39:22] * kfoltman got his t-slot table today
[14:39:34] <Loetmichel> ssi: here for example: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15093
[14:39:40] <kfoltman> or, rather, t-slot shaped alu extrusion
[14:40:02] <Loetmichel> ssi: that are a bunch of M3 screws
[14:40:04] <ssi> Loetmichel: those boxes look really good... I might have to try something similar if I ever get a router built
[14:40:07] <Loetmichel> ... and 4mm holes
[14:40:10] <Jymmm> ssi: Nope, all automatic, just press start now. Reload, press start, lather rinse repeat.
[14:40:19] <ssi> Jymmm: how did you end up fixturing them
[14:40:32] <DarkAlchemist> any of you have any recomendations for a cam program that is worth a damn and made for a desktop cnc mill?
[14:40:36] <Loetmichel> ssi:... especially after soldering the corners ;-)
[14:40:41] <ssi> Loetmichel: yeah!
[14:40:41] <kfoltman> rinse a lathe, repeat?
[14:40:59] <ssi> kfoltman: rinse your lathe in vactra!
[14:41:25] <DarkAlchemist> I am trialing camworks and it refuses to listen to me when I tell it what tools I have and ONLY those tools to use for afr.
[14:41:40] <Loetmichel> DarkAlchemist: i just have bought cambam
[14:41:53] <Loetmichel> ... have to learn how to use it now, though
[14:42:14] <DarkAlchemist> I was looking at that one on the net
[14:42:18] <Loetmichel> fo about 100 eur its very affordable
[14:42:19] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: it's not that bad
[14:42:42] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: it's just that the UI drives me nuts, because some operations are way inefficient in terms of user actions
[14:42:43] <Loetmichel> kfoltman: i am used to use coreldraw 8 and boCNC as cad/cam
[14:43:02] <Loetmichel> its a huge change to go to turbocad/cambam ;)
[14:43:07] <ssi> I haven't solved the cam problem in general yet
[14:43:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Corel8?! Yeow that's old =(
[14:43:15] <ssi> mostly because I refuse to pay money for software that I have to run in a VM
[14:43:20] <DarkAlchemist> I am used to solidworks cad but these cam programs that I have trialed I used once and uninstalled them.
[14:43:29] <ssi> although I did pay for sheetcam, and I use it for plasma and laser
[14:43:29] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: for example, to set the material sheet size you need to expand a few places in the tree view where it just screams for a quick entry of all 3 dimensions at the same time
[14:43:33] <ssi> and I mostly hate it
[14:43:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: 12 sucks at PS, Fixed in 13, 14 is what I use.
[14:44:03] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i own 8
[14:44:10] <Loetmichel> and it works for my
[14:44:12] <Loetmichel> me
[14:44:21] <Loetmichel> so why switch?
[14:44:35] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: If you do any PS, you might want to upgrade.
[14:44:43] <ssi> PS?
[14:44:45] <Loetmichel> post script?
[14:44:50] <Loetmichel> i dont
[14:45:00] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: then no worries.
[14:45:11] <Loetmichel> and the versions 9-12 or so have a problem with hpgl output
[14:45:31] <Loetmichel> the have a slight difference in size of x vs y
[14:45:47] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Yesh, it's the import/export engine (including PS), but fixed in 13 that I'm aware of.
[14:46:02] <Loetmichel> so 20mm circles arent circles but 29mm wide and 19.8mm long
[14:46:31] <Loetmichel> version 8 does that right ,-)
[14:46:52] <Loetmichel> 20mm wide, not 29
[14:47:55] <DarkAlchemist> where is a good place to buy metric bit kits from 1-10mm?
[14:48:50] <PCW> are these bits for teeny tiny horses?
[14:49:06] <DarkAlchemist> yeah
[14:49:11] <DarkAlchemist> but actually unicorns
[14:49:17] <ssi> wat
[14:50:22] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: should be 20mm, you tell me... http://codepad.org/l9kJQRwP
[14:51:36] <Loetmichel> *waiting for the xp vm to boot
[14:51:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: .plt btw
[14:52:10] <Loetmichel> i know, i can read that
[14:52:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: nfc, I don't do hpgl (ok, rarely)
[14:52:57] <jdh> Cut2D does pretty much everything I need ($149)
[14:53:50] <DarkAlchemist> I trialed cut3d and after 10 mins uninstalled it
[14:54:15] <jdh> not the same.
[14:54:51] <DarkAlchemist> well, for a lot of the stuff I work on 2.5d is not enough
[14:54:59] <jdh> and really, is 10 mins enough for a complicated system?
[14:55:07] <DarkAlchemist> it is for me
[14:55:26] <Loetmichel> jdh: looks about right
[14:55:28] <DarkAlchemist> either I like it right off, in compatison to the others I trialed, or I don't and i didn't it.
[14:55:30] <jdh> it's good to have a priori knowledge of all systems.
[14:55:31] <Loetmichel> ahem
[14:55:33] <Loetmichel> Jymmm
[14:55:58] <DarkAlchemist> not knocking it just saying I didn't care for it
[14:56:24] <jdh> right. because 10 minutes.
[14:56:35] <jdh> (I didn't care for it either)
[14:57:55] <JT-Shop> band saw clean, fresh tank of band-aid and new blade
[14:58:17] <jdh> no band-aid for you after blade?
[14:58:23] * Jymmm returns JT-Shop's garden hoses.
[15:02:51] <Loetmichel> jdh: it seems he is not as clumsy as me
[15:03:23] <Loetmichel> latest mishap: slipped with the dremel cutting disk a bit...
[15:03:37] * JT-Shop even rescued 2 c-clamps placed on the band saw for a couple of days a year ago
[15:03:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15084 <- just a bit ;-)
[15:04:19] <jdh> no visible bone/tendons
[15:05:07] <Loetmichel> jdh: tendon WAS visible
[15:05:20] <Loetmichel> but already half closed on that pich
[15:05:22] <Loetmichel> pic
[15:09:45] <Loetmichel> jdh: i heal very fast
[15:10:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15105 <- up to date pic, nearly closed now
[15:10:32] <Loetmichel> (the black dots is steel swarf ;-)
[15:17:59] <Loetmichel> ups. wrong button...;-)
[15:24:20] <Deejay> re
[15:26:50] <CaptHindsight> nearest industrial supply was only out of 1/8" bits, so it must a drill bit conspiracy
[15:27:41] <jdh> I have 20 or so HF 1/8" you could have.
[15:29:27] <CaptHindsight> heh, even they were out of 1/8", had to settle for 3mm double ended versions
[15:29:47] <jdh> the one here has double ended 1/8
[15:30:22] <jdh> they come in 8 or 10 packs.
[15:33:43] <CaptHindsight> 9/64" is the other size we tend to go through at 5x the rate of any other size
[15:34:19] <CaptHindsight> probably pilot holes for 4mm taps
[15:34:49] <syyl_> 9/64 is a bit big for a m4 thread
[15:35:11] <syyl_> 3,3mm is the regular drill dia
[15:44:06] <ssi> CaptHindsight: #30
[15:44:45] <CaptHindsight> might just be for 9/64" holes :p
[15:47:06] <CaptHindsight> yeah, M4 x 0.35 thread = 3.60mm tap
[15:53:23] <syyl_> what? :D
[15:54:52] <PetefromTn_> whats goin on folks?
[15:56:36] <ssi> nada
[15:56:41] <ssi> regular work :'(
[15:57:42] <PetefromTn_> I just finished mowing and weed eating and spraying weed killer and running the leaf blower and pulling weeds and just basically killing myself to make my yard look as much like a Golf Course as possible :D
[15:58:33] <PetefromTn_> and my damn weed eater died on me after about a half hour or so. Now it won't start for nothing and I am about to toss it into the street in front of a dump truck.
[15:58:35] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_, is the house on the market?
[15:58:43] <PetefromTn_> sure as hell is LOL
[15:59:02] <PetefromTn_> well come to think of it actually technically it is not.
[15:59:33] <ssi> I hate yardwork with a passion
[15:59:33] <PetefromTn_> I have it on craigslist and another site but I am listing it with a local realtor here soon. Actually just called him today.
[15:59:41] <ssi> I had to do panic yardwork yesterday
[15:59:43] <PetefromTn_> Oh me too man. PASSION
[15:59:54] <ssi> I got this horrible premonition that code enforcement was gonna come through and screw me
[15:59:59] <ssi> and i actually left work early to go do it
[16:00:08] <ssi> and I had to rebuild the carb on the mower to get it to start
[16:00:10] <ssi> what a miserable day
[16:00:37] <PetefromTn_> I would rather run over my nutz with a mower than mow the lawn but hey its gotta get done and I have not found anyone PRO who does a job worth a damn that I am willing to pay for.
[16:01:26] <PetefromTn_> They never seem to spray for weeds and when they do weed eat it is like they are in a race to finish so they can go get some donuts or something.
[16:01:45] <PetefromTn_> I do not have a big house or yard but doing it right still took me almost four hours today.
[16:02:44] <PetefromTn_> What really pisses me off is our neighborhood has those tall Concrete curbs all along the road and I think I am one of two or three guys who actually try to keep the weeds from growing under and thru them into the street.
[16:03:31] <PetefromTn_> that drives me crazy man. They will mow and weed eat their whole yard, put bushes and plants and flowers everywhere but when you look at the house from the street it looks like it has a beard all along the edge of the curb.
[16:03:40] <ssi> I don't even care about doing it right
[16:03:47] <ssi> I haven't been able to find someone who will do it CONSISTENTLY
[16:04:05] <ssi> there's a neighbor that usually cuts my lawn and the next door neighbor's lawn, and we pay him
[16:04:21] <ssi> well this weekend i dunno if he came thruogh and cut just my next door neighbor's lawn, or if the next door neighbor did it himself
[16:04:25] <ssi> but his was done and mine wasn't
[16:04:35] <ssi> I got home sunday night at 11pm to see that, and I paniced
[16:04:38] <PetefromTn_> Honestly they get like $40.00 a mow around here and they still cannot be bothered to do a decent job even when with their super high performance 100MPH mower the main part is done in like ten minutes.
[16:04:46] <ssi> cause he hasn't cut it in like five weeks
[16:04:54] <ssi> and after that, I was the only one on the block
[16:05:12] <ssi> but since I haven't cut my own grass yet this year, my mower was dorked up
[16:05:21] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man if I did not cut my lawn for five weeks I would need a bush hog to do my back yard.
[16:05:29] <ssi> yeah it was pretty bad
[16:05:34] <ssi> plus he did a SHIT job last time
[16:05:53] <ssi> the trash man had left my can in the grass, and he didn't move it
[16:06:00] <ssi> so I had like 7' grass where the can was
[16:06:03] <ssi> heh
[16:06:28] <PetefromTn_> I have a decent self propelled walk behind mower but I need to get me a decent rider for the back it just is so thick after even a week.
[16:06:29] <ssi> also what cruel world do we live in when the grass grows a foot a day only when its 100F and 100% humidity
[16:06:44] <PetefromTn_> exactly right.. I hate that shit.
[16:06:56] <PetefromTn_> makes me want to rip it all up and pour concrete LOL
[16:07:16] <ssi> yep
[16:07:33] <ssi> I thought about sitting in the air conditioning and firing mah lazor out the window at the grass
[16:07:37] <ssi> blade by blade
[16:07:44] <PetefromTn_> My next door neighbor is a freakin' botanist or something. His yard looks like a botanical garden.
[16:07:59] <ssi> mine looks like an unspoiled jungle :D
[16:08:32] <PetefromTn_> Even when I do a masterful job mowing and weed eating I think his yard looks better than mine and I am not a green thumb kinda guy.
[16:08:46] <PetefromTn_> He did show me how to spray the weed killer and damn if it does not work.
[16:09:11] <PetefromTn_> I have been using his suggestions and I do not have much weed eating to do nowadays which I should bake him a cake for.
[16:09:39] <ssi> :)
[16:09:59] <PetefromTn_> In fact this stuff he showed me to use and more importantly how to use it will basically erase the grass and weeds wherever you spray it. It is like green kryptonite.
[16:10:12] <ssi> I could use some of that
[16:10:37] <PetefromTn_> It is just some cheapass walmart stuff but damn if it does not work.
[16:11:26] <PetefromTn_> You put two capfuls in a pump up cheapass spray bottle with water and shake it up and spray it. Basically wherever you spray that shit WILL be brown ground in a week or two.
[16:12:04] <PetefromTn_> If you spray enough of it around the edges of your house and driveway you ALMOST never need to use the weed eater anymore.
[16:13:11] <PetefromTn_> watching all your antics with the CNC laser thingamabob you built has me jonesin' for a CNC router table build man. Way to go. You really are an enabler ya know it!
[16:13:19] <ssi> yeah :
[16:13:21] <ssi> I try
[16:13:44] <ssi> although you still have the one toy I want more than anything :(
[16:14:08] <PetefromTn_> I justify it by telling my wife I can build the awesome speaker cabinets easier I have been looking into if I build the CNC router first LOL.
[16:14:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right.
[16:14:29] <PetefromTn_> I tell ya if this house sells I may want to liquidate that bitch ya never know.
[16:14:46] <PetefromTn_> It will all depend on the house we find in Florida.
[16:15:11] <ssi> if I can get it in my house I'll take it ;)
[16:15:18] <PetefromTn_> If it has a huge garage like this one with a high ceiling then I will probably keep it. But if we cannot find a suitable house with a shop then the toys will have to go.
[16:15:59] <ssi> how much ceiling clearance does it need
[16:16:32] <PetefromTn_> LOL speak of the debil. I just missed a call from the realtor guy hehehe
[16:16:53] <PetefromTn_> Honestly the shop right now has a 9' plus ceiling but it does not need to be near that high.
[16:17:19] <PetefromTn_> The biggest issue is the doorway. getting it inside is the problem. It has this large tall steel cabinet that houses all the electronics.
[16:17:35] <PetefromTn_> It actually is the tallest piece of the machine by maybe a foot and a half or so.
[16:17:58] <PetefromTn_> The head will go down much below that and you just unbolt the cable chain and lay it on its side.
[16:18:07] <PetefromTn_> But the electronics cabinet is the beotch.
[16:18:21] <ssi> how tall is the cabinet?
[16:18:30] <ssi> I think I have 7' under the garage door
[16:18:31] <PetefromTn_> I had considered cutting the top off of it and tig welding it back on at the level of the rest of the enclosure..
[16:18:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too.
[16:18:53] <ssi> can the cabinet be laid on its side?
[16:18:59] <PetefromTn_> It does not fit under the garage door which is why I had to remove the front face of the shop above the door.
[16:19:00] <ssi> or is it attached to the enclosure
[16:19:07] <ssi> eesh
[16:19:23] <ssi> probably had to take the door out too then huh
[16:19:30] <PetefromTn_> It is just bolted to the enclosure but you would have to disconnect quite a few wires and reattach them once it is inside.
[16:20:06] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah man removed the garage door and then cut the material above the garage door out up to the header.
[16:20:09] <ssi> I think I probably have 9' ceiling in the garage too, but there are some lower obstructions
[16:20:27] <PetefromTn_> Again this could all be avoided if the damn cabinet was either removed or cut down.
[16:21:15] <ssi> and yours is an arrow 500?
[16:21:18] <PetefromTn_> If I had a plasma cutter I would just cover up everything inside the cabinet which is well below the cut line with a sheet of steel and then just mark a line and cut it and then tig weld it back together.
[16:21:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah arrow 500..
[16:21:28] <ssi> I could do that :P
[16:21:43] <PetefromTn_> It honestly would not be all that difficult.
[16:22:08] <ssi> but the other problem is my forklift won't lift that beast :(
[16:22:27] <PetefromTn_> If you do not plan to ever move it for a very long time you could also just disconnet and mark everything and unbolt the cabinet and move it inside.
[16:22:33] <PetefromTn_> I did not even use a forklift.
[16:23:04] <ssi> yeah it just sucks to have a forklift and have one machine that's too heavy :)
[16:23:17] <PetefromTn_> I moved it over here with a tilt bed wrecker and then he jockeyed the bed to lay it right inside the door. Then I jacked it up with a porta power and stuck machine skates underneath it.
[16:23:20] <ssi> but I've never seen a vmc under 7500lb
[16:23:37] <ssi> that's fine if you've already cut the face off the house!
[16:23:37] <PetefromTn_> Push it around like a big wheel barrow.
[16:24:04] <PetefromTn_> honestly it is MUCH safer to NOT use a forklift unless you need to put it on a high truck or something.
[16:24:23] <PetefromTn_> If it falls off the skates it only falls a couple inches.
[16:24:47] <ssi> it'd have to be only a couple inches on a forklift too, or else it wouldn't go through the door
[16:24:59] <PetefromTn_> we just went slow and used cribbage and that porta power and were real careful.
[16:25:03] <PetefromTn_> exactly.
[16:25:15] <PetefromTn_> it weighs 7k lbs.
[16:25:15] <ssi> I just need a proper shop :(
[16:25:24] <PetefromTn_> you and me both bro.
[16:25:47] <PetefromTn_> with all the damn machines you have you are well on your way ;)
[16:26:15] <ssi> all but the space
[16:27:48] <ssi> PetefromTn_: did you get rid of your rf45?
[16:28:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah awhile ago
[16:28:14] <PetefromTn_> that is how I was able to buy this beast.
[16:28:30] <PetefromTn_> I sold the RF45 and all that TTS tooling and my cheapass chinese vise etc etc.
[16:31:55] <ssi> gotcha
[16:32:02] <ssi> I'm thinking about getting back on the 704
[16:32:36] <PetefromTn_> cool
[16:35:16] <ssi> I got all those parker servos and drives
[16:35:27] <ssi> I already had servos fitted to it, but now I'm considering redoing it
[16:36:03] <PetefromTn_> why?
[16:37:18] <ssi> cause these parker servos are bueno
[16:37:25] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv0eibJ4s2M
[16:37:30] <PetefromTn_> That is interesting.
[16:37:52] <PetefromTn_> CNC router/plasma/3d printer LOL... Looks like he does some serious work on that damn thing.
[16:38:15] <PetefromTn_> Good servos are worth the trip.
[16:40:31] <ssi> PetefromTn_: his cuts look terrible :P
[16:41:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah well apparently that was the first test cuts..
[16:41:54] <PetefromTn_> I did not think they looked too bad really.
[16:44:27] <PetefromTn_> freakin' guy is building a 75 foot steel ship in his back yard as well as a DIY deep submergence ROV complete with cameras FLIR etc etc..
[16:45:04] <SpeedEvil> FLIR in a ROV may be less useful than he hopes :)
[16:45:10] <ssi> lol yeah
[16:45:51] <SpeedEvil> I wish FLIR was cheaper
[16:45:54] <SpeedEvil> Well - IR cameras
[16:46:00] <PetefromTn_> dunno but that is what he is building.
[16:46:14] <SpeedEvil> Water is totally opaque to long-wave IR
[16:47:00] <PetefromTn_> maybe someone should tell him that LOL.
[16:47:20] <SpeedEvil> Maybe he just means IR
[16:47:41] <SpeedEvil> - but as I understand it - almost nothing under the sea can see red light
[16:47:43] <CaptHindsight> heh, 40+ holes now in SS on the same bit, probably best not to drill by hand too early in the day
[16:47:46] <SpeedEvil> So that'd work too
[16:47:56] <PetefromTn_> gotta give him props tho how many folks do you know even considered building an ROV LOL
[16:48:05] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: Sure.
[16:48:16] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: Well, I have plans for a 4 stage orbital launcher.
[16:48:29] <PetefromTn_> you gonna ride in it?
[16:48:40] <CaptHindsight> ssi: did you get the cables sorted out?
[16:48:53] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: alas, plans only. And it's designed for ~1kg launch
[16:49:10] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I got the connectors in the mail; no backshells for them, and I think these cables will need them
[16:49:15] <ssi> I'll order some once I get it underway
[16:49:42] <PetefromTn_> Well I gotta get some work done here now that the yard is finished. talk later guys.
[16:50:06] <CaptHindsight> used good matched cables are worth it, but they always seem to be missing
[16:51:44] <CaptHindsight> there was a recycling co near me that had untrained people go into closed automation plants and rip out gear until they discovered what 2-3 year old cables and automation was worth
[16:52:10] <CaptHindsight> they were snipping all the cables to get the parts stripped out
[16:53:02] <CaptHindsight> why undo the screws on a connector since the wire cutter was quicker :)
[16:53:44] <Deejay> gn8
[17:16:12] <ssi> CaptHindsight: jeez
[17:18:34] <DaViruz> SpeedEvil: they are kinda cheap nowadays. you can get a flir E4 or $1000 and software hack it to a flir E8
[17:19:04] <SpeedEvil> DaViruz: I would not personally call $1000 cheap
[17:19:06] <DaViruz> just a few years back you couldn't really get even a crappy camera for $1000
[17:19:22] <SpeedEvil> Sure
[17:19:43] <SpeedEvil> Low fixed income sucks
[17:20:11] <DaViruz> the flir oen then when it comes out, $350
[17:20:15] <DaViruz> but it needs an iphone
[17:20:30] <DaViruz> but it has quite good specs
[17:28:43] <SpeedEvil> Isn't it 16*4?
[17:51:11] <DaViruz> 16*4 pixels?
[17:52:42] <SpeedEvil> Yes
[18:06:08] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOtG5DruMQA&list=UUy-Z-COl0WvPmSLXMOvtedg
[18:06:14] <zeeshan> wedged like 25 discs
[18:06:20] <zeeshan> today and turned em using friction method
[18:06:22] <zeeshan> worked out great
[18:29:32] <cradek> setting up touchy on my little sherline lathe, I'm pondering how the wheel will be backward when moving X (clockwise on a lathe always makes the tool go in, but clockwise on a jogwheel always means +X)
[18:29:49] <cradek> I think it's going to be terrible unless I reverse it for X
[18:30:08] <cradek> how do commercial lathes handle this? or do they always have the tool on the back for that (and other) reasons?
[18:30:27] <ssi> cradek: I'd be inclined to make it behave like the controls on a manual lathe above all else
[18:30:41] <cradek> yeah I agree that seems like the least evil
[18:32:24] <ssi> do you treat your lathe as though the spindle centerline is machine 0, and backing the tool away from centerline is positive X?
[18:32:37] <cradek> yes that's how cnc lathes always work
[18:32:44] <ssi> ok
[18:32:54] <cradek> except often the tool is upside-down, on the back/top
[18:33:05] <cradek> then it's less weird
[18:33:24] <cradek> that makes arcs feel the right way around, too
[18:34:27] <zeeshan> anyone know much about dvr survilleance systems?
[18:34:46] <cradek> bbl
[19:38:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what about them?
[20:04:51] <XXCoder1> heys
[21:10:33] <PetefromTn> evening folks...
[21:27:04] <PetefromTn> man it is a beautiful night...
[21:28:11] <PetefromTn> at least here in East Tennessee.
[21:40:04] <os1r1s> PetefromTn: Its a beautiful night in West Tn too :P
[21:46:17] <PetefromTn> LOL nice man... we are sitting out back by the fire pit roasting marshmallows!
[21:50:10] <PetefromTn> I like to burn off all the wood scraps and the cardboard boxes I get and the kids love roasting the marshmallows.
[22:06:18] <PetefromTn> damn ran out of wood and cardboard hehe
[22:06:42] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:07:18] <PetefromTn> now it is gonna get chilly so we will have to go inside LOL.
[22:07:27] <XXCoder1> bah
[22:07:32] <XXCoder1> send me your chilly air
[22:08:16] <PetefromTn> you know its bad when you are eyeballing the neighbors shrubs for kindling
[22:08:41] <XXCoder1> just have constant sex with your sigificant other lol
[22:08:54] <XXCoder1> either you guys warm up or you lose cares of cold LOL
[22:09:05] <PetefromTn> hmm not a bad idea actually
[22:09:27] <XXCoder1> probably why summer birthday date is bit more common heh
[22:09:57] <PetefromTn> she's gotta work tomorrow so she is already in bed. she DOES NOT LIKE TO BE AWOKEN!!!
[22:10:16] <XXCoder1> http://thedailyviz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/birthsdays.png
[22:10:43] <XXCoder1> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/16/article-0-131F2103000005DC-324_634x646.jpg
[22:10:55] <PetefromTn> or would that be awakened?
[22:11:44] <PetefromTn> well gotta put the chairs away and clean the marshmallow forks and go inside now
[22:11:59] <XXCoder1> lol okj
[22:24:29] <PetefromTn> it's days like this that I will probably miss when we finally sell our house and move back to Florida.
[22:25:20] <PetefromTn> don't think they allow you to have an open fire pit in the city we lived in down there.
[22:25:43] <XXCoder1> lol cant live nearly out in sticks area?
[22:26:30] <PetefromTn> maybe I can fabricate a large open grill kinda thing and if anyone says anything I will have a coupla hot dogs ready to go on LOL
[22:26:56] <XXCoder1> very large, in floor open grill. ;)
[22:27:09] <XXCoder1> its just very fancy grill ma'am not open pit fire
[22:27:30] <PetefromTn> there aren't really any sticks near where we used to live unless you move quite a bit inland.
[22:27:47] <PetefromTn> yeah that's the ticket.
[22:27:48] <jdh> away from teh new yorkers
[22:28:08] <PetefromTn> Hey man I Am A new Yorker LOL
[22:28:17] <XXCoder1> new yolker lol
[22:28:20] <jdh> you need a new nick
[22:28:50] <PetefromTn> yeah I will then be .....Petefrom somewhere on the beach snorkeling.
[22:29:34] <PetefromTn> or maybe Petefrom lying on the beach prepetrating a tan.
[22:29:59] <PetefromTn> or possibly Petefrom damn its hot as hell here.
[22:30:10] <PetefromTn> ;)
[22:30:21] <jdh> too damn hot for a fire pit
[22:30:32] <PetefromTn> damn right.
[22:30:50] <XXCoder1> not much of fan of hot days
[22:31:00] <PetefromTn> but I remember it does get quite chilly when folks are freezing their asses off around here
[22:31:01] <XXCoder1> I'm cold weather type person
[22:31:28] <PetefromTn> I Hate the cold man.
[22:32:05] <PetefromTn> I used to think how wonderful it would be to have a White Christmas ......believe me its overrated LOL.
[22:32:24] <XXCoder1> I live at washington state. had maybe 3 white xmas last 15+ years
[22:32:34] <XXCoder1> snow is rare
[22:32:45] <XXCoder1> west end anyway
[22:32:52] <XXCoder1> east end gets snow hell in winters lol
[22:33:00] <PetefromTn> I am more the sort of decorate the palm tree with Christmas lights while sipping Pina Coladas type of guy.
[22:33:00] <XXCoder1> not as bad as borth centeral states but..
[22:33:13] <XXCoder1> if you wanna beach xmas go to aussie
[22:33:19] <XXCoder1> austulian country
[22:34:06] <PetefromTn> to be quite honest I am sure I will miss this place.
[22:34:21] <PetefromTn> it really is a beautiful place to live.
[22:34:41] <PetefromTn> The Great Smoky Mountains are just absolutely amazing
[22:34:42] <XXCoder1> cool
[22:34:50] <XXCoder1> heh I love Rainier
[22:35:51] <PetefromTn> the Realtor is coming to list my house Thursday morning.
[22:36:14] <PetefromTn> if he is anything as good as he says maybe he can get it sold real quick.
[22:36:42] <XXCoder1> sell it to me for $100 lol
[22:36:56] <PetefromTn> then the real fun begins LOL
[22:37:07] <PetefromTn> moving sux
[22:37:23] <XXCoder1> always.
[22:37:31] <PetefromTn> moving when you have several tons of machines and equipment REALLY SUX.
[22:38:17] <XXCoder1> hmm is it that irreplacable?
[22:38:39] <XXCoder1> it may be cheaper to sell at loss then buy replacements than move em million miles
[22:38:44] <PetefromTn> I think if we did get a contract signed I will probably sell my wife's suv.
[22:39:08] <PetefromTn> she won't sell it unless we move because she wants a four by four here.
[22:39:39] <PetefromTn> but she says she wants a convertible mustang GT if we live in Florida again hehehe.
[22:40:08] <Tom_itx> it's good to want.
[22:40:19] <PetefromTn> yeah right..
[22:40:26] <Tom_itx> fuels the economy
[22:40:46] <PetefromTn> the good news is she actually wants the 99-2004 model so it is at least doable.
[22:41:10] <Tom_itx> get her a 65 instead
[22:41:21] <PetefromTn> don't you want anything Tom?
[22:41:42] <Tom_itx> you don't want a 65 convertible?
[22:41:45] <PetefromTn> she would probably be okay with that she loves old cars.
[22:42:03] <SpeedEvil> Model T all the way
[22:42:18] <Tom_itx> there's a few of those around here too
[22:42:32] <PetefromTn> when we lived in Florida we both had 5.0 mustangs LOL
[22:42:50] <PetefromTn> and I had the bronco also.
[22:43:06] <Tom_itx> well, you got your bronco...
[22:43:18] <PetefromTn> it's like as we get older we are going backwards LOL
[22:43:43] <PetefromTn> yeah man....did I mention how much I LOVE MY NEW BRONCO!!!
[22:43:56] <Tom_itx> not more than a few times
[22:44:06] <PetefromTn> hehe
[22:44:40] <XXCoder1> Nah youre fine. 10 or 20 thousand people havent heard you say that yet
[22:44:58] <PetefromTn> that thing is so cool. I have been approached like four times now at stores or gas stations with people telling me how nice it looks.
[22:45:36] <PetefromTn> and it never passes a gas station ;)
[22:46:06] <XXCoder1> lol gpm not mpg eh ;)
[22:46:40] <PetefromTn> I was detailing it yesterday and managed to knock the damn rear view mirror off so I had to get some of that special glue today so I can put it back on.
[22:47:39] <PetefromTn> I swear when you floor it you can watch the fuel needle go down as the RPM goes up LOL... but what a glorious sound with the flowmaster mufflers it makes
[22:47:49] <XXCoder1> LOL GPM indeed
[22:48:04] <XXCoder1> (gallons per mile_
[22:48:49] <tjtr33> Capt ok now, exit xchat, renter xchat, no idea why
[22:48:51] <PetefromTn> :D
[22:49:16] <PetefromTn> huh.
[22:49:43] <XXCoder1> http://www.aerocivic.com/ I wanna try this lol
[22:49:47] <XXCoder1> but no money bah
[22:50:48] <PetefromTn> you can probably get an older civic for a song MN.
[22:50:53] <PetefromTn> man
[22:51:05] <XXCoder1> yeah but takes money to modify lol
[22:51:28] <XXCoder1> expecially if I want to buy smaller motor and tranny since it needs less power to move
[22:51:38] <PetefromTn> just some plastic wrap and chicken wire and a couple hours LOL
[22:51:44] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:51:49] <XXCoder1> paper mache car
[22:51:55] <XXCoder1> just dont drive in rain
[22:52:01] <PetefromTn> maybe paper mache'?
[22:52:09] <PetefromTn> hehehe
[22:52:26] <XXCoder1> fast brain, I have. ;)
[22:52:42] <PetefromTn> you can seal it with some urethane paint or something
[22:52:52] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:53:10] <XXCoder1> seriously best bet is to just get junked car with intact frame and some body
[22:53:12] <XXCoder1> rebuild it
[22:53:34] <XXCoder1> better control over shape AND probably cheaper base buy
[22:53:34] <tjtr33> maybe of use to the Houston Fest ( i heard they have an ABB robot ) http://futurecnc.code.arc.cmu.edu/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/RAPID-Reference-Manual-Instructions.pdf
[22:54:11] <PetefromTn> I have seen guys make an entire custom body kit with some of that expanding foam and fiber glass cloth.
[22:54:57] <XXCoder1> wonder what weights like
[22:55:17] <XXCoder1> lathinium ion would be amazing, would have to scevange em all though
[22:55:22] <XXCoder1> all from dead laptops
[22:55:37] <XXCoder1> recycle all dead cells and still good ones make large battery
[22:56:06] <PetefromTn> just need a buncha them tho LOL. I have seen people do it.
[22:56:59] <PetefromTn> I would just get that crx HF and modify that thing you would get crazy mileage.
[22:59:12] <PetefromTn> what does an abbey robot look like?
[22:59:18] <PetefromTn> abb
[23:01:52] <tjtr33> 6dof arm, like Detroit Painting/welding robots
[23:02:26] <tjtr33> 6 degrees of freedom, = 6 rotary joints, like elbow, shoulder, wrist...
[23:03:00] <PetefromTn> sweet
[23:04:05] <tjtr33> there's a vismach version in your linuxcnc installation, jog it around and the vismach model moves with it
[23:04:14] <XXCoder1> rotation of stock plys 6 axis arm robot
[23:04:16] <PetefromTn> is it like one of those people bolt a chair to and make an insane ride out of lol
[23:04:17] <XXCoder1> *plus
[23:05:37] <tjtr33> yeah, like that but not so stupid. imagine bike frame welding ( been done with linuxcnc, weld going around that weird saddle shaped path )
[23:06:13] <PetefromTn> that would be awesome
[23:06:27] <XXCoder1> I bet its MUCH simpler to rotate stock and has a robot arm that has just 3 hinge joints
[23:06:28] <tjtr33> and top of your list shows alex_joni, who programs some at his work, with linuxcnc ( iirc )
[23:07:50] <PetefromTn> yeah we are in the house of the guru here and I'm not worthy!!
[23:09:50] <ssi> hrm
[23:10:33] <PetefromTn> harumph
[23:10:40] <ssi> just got home from work :(
[23:10:55] <tjtr33> well you can certainly play with the sim version
[23:11:01] <PetefromTn> at medianoche
[23:11:11] <ssi> mmmm medianoche
[23:11:15] <tjtr33> bye !
[23:11:24] <PetefromTn> cya
[23:24:22] <CaptHindsight> http://delta.firepick.org/ an open-source electronics manufacturing system. We will be launching a Kickstarter campaign once we have a working prototype.
[23:26:27] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc already does it but they have to start from scratch?
[23:27:34] <CaptHindsight> http://tv.slashdot.org/video/?embed=0ya3BhbzqYQ-vRRi7hi7YmjRplwJvOoV
[23:29:18] <ssi> I built a delta robot awhile back
[23:29:25] <ssi> I'd like to get it under linuxcnc control
[23:32:53] <SpeedEvil> Is there anything linuxcnc doesn't do in their prototype?
[23:34:09] <CaptHindsight> the camview plugin does the auto zero
[23:36:33] <CaptHindsight> I gave to finish the howto since it's currently scattered bits of info on 3 different wikis
[23:37:27] <CaptHindsight> there's nothing a pick-n-place does that Linuxcnc can't handle
[23:37:33] <ssi> agreed
[23:38:07] <SpeedEvil> How is the stepper control one?
[23:38:09] <SpeedEvil> d
[23:38:36] <ssi> ?
[23:39:00] <CaptHindsight> I'd be interested to know why they decided to write something themselves
[23:39:01] <SpeedEvil> Likely lack of research
[23:39:04] <ssi> same reason there's so many motion controllers for 3d printers I imagine?
[23:39:26] <toastyde1th> I wish that 3d printers just fucking used linuxcnc
[23:39:33] <toastyde1th> and focused on outputting usable gcode
[23:39:41] <ssi> I agree
[23:39:42] <toastyde1th> that way, you know, maybe we'd wind up with something approximating cam software
[23:39:53] <XXCoder1> agreed
[23:39:59] <XXCoder1> standards mean easier to develoop
[23:40:02] <toastyde1th> and that way you could, you also fucking know, use 5+ axis machines for printing
[23:40:04] <XXCoder1> no useless dupicated code
[23:40:14] <toastyde1th> so you could reasonably ADD MATERIAL TO EXISTING OBJECTS
[23:40:14] <XXCoder1> 5 axis printing what a concept
[23:40:21] <toastyde1th> and print without a god damn shitload of supports
[23:40:39] <ssi> I actually just printed my first object with support, five minutes ago
[23:40:46] <ssi> I've been printing for two years and never used support :P
[23:40:46] <toastyde1th> because the nozzle is always vertical and the part can be moved so that a wall is always supporting the fresh plastic
[23:40:52] <CaptHindsight> but but but a microcontroller is better for control than a general purpose computer :)
[23:41:04] <CaptHindsight> that is what I usually hear
[23:41:09] <ssi> CaptHindsight: in a lot of ways I understand that argument
[23:41:19] <ssi> because "general purpose computer" usually means "some shitty windows box"
[23:41:28] <ssi> but then they stream gcode over usb with a small buffer on the uc side
[23:41:31] <ssi> it's stupid all the way around
[23:41:39] <CaptHindsight> from a PC :)
[23:41:43] <ssi> right
[23:41:59] <CaptHindsight> but you aren't supposed to notice that
[23:42:32] <CaptHindsight> yes, it would be nice to have some focus on CAM
[23:42:53] <ssi> some cross-platform decent general purpose open source CAM would be a very good thing
[23:43:05] <ssi> it's amazing that we've got several relatively good working slicers
[23:43:09] <ssi> that's fairly complex cam
[23:43:12] <CaptHindsight> but even that is fragmented
[23:43:16] <ssi> now apply yourself to reverse-3d printing, guys!
[23:44:03] <XXCoder1> theres already couple unprinters
[23:44:08] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/openpnp/openpnp
[23:44:15] <XXCoder1> and "dust" to spool creator
[23:44:17] <toastyde1th> one of the big issues with cam is toolpath crap
[23:44:38] <ssi> XXCoder1: I'm talking about "reverse 3d printing" where you take a big block of material and cut away the parts you don't want
[23:45:13] <XXCoder1> oh dunno. we could call it hmm since it mills away parts... HMM cnc mill? ;)
[23:45:33] <ssi> no man that's your grandpa's technology
[23:45:36] <CaptHindsight> taking away material vs putting material down
[23:45:44] <ssi> my technology is called "reverse 3d printing" and it's gonna revolutionize manufacturing
[23:45:53] <XXCoder1> so it sucks in pkastic? LOL
[23:45:59] <ssi> you start with a block of aluminum
[23:46:04] <ssi> and you have a machine that takes away bits
[23:46:07] <XXCoder1> or it sucks in alum
[23:46:11] <ssi> until you're left with a 3d mustache and monacle
[23:46:22] <ssi> or some fake glasses
[23:46:27] <CaptHindsight> so it's like a dust buster
[23:46:37] <CaptHindsight> only for metal
[23:46:41] <ssi> yeah
[23:47:00] <ssi> well it uses a special custom piece that you have to order from me
[23:47:05] <ssi> it's like a pencil
[23:47:10] <ssi> but it's made of metal and has sharp edges
[23:47:16] <ssi> and it spins fast and makes the metal into dust
[23:47:16] <CaptHindsight> can I control it from my smartphone?
[23:47:18] <ssi> yes
[23:47:19] <ssi> duh
[23:47:55] <CaptHindsight> can it make copies of itself?
[23:47:56] <ssi> yeah except for the parts that you can only buy from me
[23:48:07] <CaptHindsight> of course
[23:48:48] <ssi> one day they will be in every home
[23:48:53] <ssi> and "the man" will be out of business
[23:49:02] <ssi> instead of going to walmart to buy an engine block
[23:49:04] <ssi> you'll just make one
[23:49:18] <CaptHindsight> I always wanted a walmart
[23:49:26] <ssi> it's going to bring the power back to the proletariat
[23:50:18] <ssi> have you ever actually read adrian bowyer's insane marxist rantings about how repraps will be the next communist revolution?
[23:50:21] <PetefromTn> fuck the bougeouise LOL
[23:51:13] <XXCoder1> of course
[23:51:16] <CaptHindsight> via la ameturelatiates!
[23:51:16] <ssi> "So the replicating rapid prototyping machine will allow the revolutionary ownership, by the proletariat, of the means of production. But it will do so without all that messy and dangerous revolution stuff, and even without all that messy and dangerous industrial stuff. Therefore I have decided to call this process Darwinian Marxism...
[23:51:41] <XXCoder1> insane person would call anything communist.
[23:51:52] <XXCoder1> sharing air? communist!!
[23:52:00] <ssi> XXCoder1: I think you misunderstand me :)
[23:52:25] <XXCoder1> lol ok
[23:52:28] <PetefromTn> hey man I resemble messy and dangerous
[23:52:57] <PetefromTn> I kinda dig it actually
[23:53:14] <ssi> :P
[23:53:19] <ssi> I'm far too much of a pragmatic realist
[23:53:31] <ssi> I despise ideologues who are so far divorced from reality :)
[23:54:05] <PetefromTn> no you're far too much of a bullshitter
[23:54:25] <CaptHindsight> https://synthetos.myshopify.com/products/tinyg https://github.com/synthetos/TinyG/wiki the controller they are using
[23:54:30] <PetefromTn> ;)
[23:54:31] <ssi> when have I ever bullshitted you about anything?
[23:54:52] <toastyde1th> I don't understand how reprap is going to revolutionize anything
[23:54:57] <CaptHindsight> Atmel ATxmega192
[23:55:03] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I had a looooong conversation with the guys that make that board this year
[23:55:06] <ssi> at maker
[23:55:09] <PetefromTn> it would be easier to say when you didn't LOL
[23:55:12] <ssi> I don't think they liked me very muchi
[23:55:30] <ssi> I was trying to figure out whether it could be useful as hardware interface for linuxcnc
[23:55:34] <ssi> of course the answer was no
[23:55:43] <ssi> but they weren't real thrilled with the fact that I was "representing their competitiona'
[23:55:47] <ssi> or some such crap
[23:56:11] <ssi> but you're right: the uc motion controller thing is VERY pervasive in that 'industry'
[23:56:33] <ssi> they had a reasonably impressive demo
[23:56:38] <PetefromTn> sound like a buncha Neo maxi zoom dweebies!
[23:56:40] <CaptHindsight> their wiki references Linuxcnc for the GCode spec
[23:56:53] <ssi> they had a 4' long belt drive linear slide on the table with a pendulum attached to it
[23:57:08] <ssi> and they had it set up so it'd rapid back and forth and the pendulum would swing and stop in a cup at each end
[23:57:09] <CaptHindsight> what did you say Bender? :p
[23:57:30] <PetefromTn> hehe
[23:58:01] <PetefromTn> one more time and I'm crackin' skulls LOL
[23:58:23] <CaptHindsight> so it's another *duino variant
[23:58:25] <ssi> yes
[23:58:51] <ssi> I just wish those guys would spend time contributing to linuxcnc instead of forking a million arduino trajectory planners
[23:59:00] <PetefromTn> damn I love this Floyd album Division bell.
[23:59:02] <ssi> cause clearly they have a lot to contribute
[23:59:09] <CaptHindsight> grbl generates step pulses at a rate of 30Khz, TinyG at 50Khz.
[23:59:50] <ssi> tinyg is jerk limited
[23:59:55] <ssi> which wuold be nice to have in lcnc
[23:59:57] <CaptHindsight> some just want to sell you their boards