#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-07-28

[01:03:17] <zeeshan> http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/product_images/q/282/Tremec_%23133_Reverse_Idler_Shaft_Bracket_Bolt____72894_zoom.jpg
[01:03:21] <zeeshan> anyone know whaere to get those bolts
[01:03:26] <zeeshan> its got a torx 40 head on it
[01:12:32] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:16:41] <anarchos> hi
[02:18:27] <Deejay> moin
[05:54:01] <Loetmichel> hmm, any materials people here?
[05:54:25] <Loetmichel> any idea what the case guy used for this enclosures? http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14145
[05:55:05] <Loetmichel> its 3mm thick aluminium, slightly gashes at the bends (inner bend radius 0,5mm) .. and welded at the corner
[05:55:33] <Loetmichel> +s
[08:00:19] * SpeedEvil ponders remote manipulators for DIY dentistry.
[08:06:36] <Smidge204__> You'd probably be better off getting someone to whack you in the face with a golf club
[08:06:46] <jdh> I could do that.
[08:07:05] <Smidge204__> Get in line!
[08:50:50] <Jymmm> Love the kid and the dogs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdfUBajb4I
[08:56:38] <ssi> morn
[09:00:54] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks.
[09:10:59] <ssi> morn pete
[09:27:40] <PetefromTn_> ssi morn..
[09:29:39] <ssi> what's happenin
[09:30:13] <archivist> absolutely nuthin!
[09:30:16] <PetefromTn_> meh not much we survived the storms last night..LOL
[09:34:41] <PetefromTn_> I am working on three different projects for the CNC for customers right now and got to get them done this week hopefully.
[09:36:08] <Loetmichel> grr, i think i can see the lst 1.2mm tc bit glowing inside the steel... it seems, that is dull, too... and i still have to go 4 steel lids out of 1mm zinced steel :-(
[09:36:13] <Loetmichel> last
[09:52:04] <ssi> PetefromTn_, Loetmichel: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtmmhmuIEAEbK4O.jpg:large
[09:56:23] <PetefromTn_> nice..
[09:56:30] <PetefromTn_> saw that last night too.
[09:56:34] <ssi> FINE
[09:56:34] <ssi> :)
[09:57:01] <PetefromTn_> I did ENJOY seeing it again tho ;)
[09:57:09] <ssi> I'm glad to hear it heheh
[09:57:20] <ssi> I did a part before I went to bed which is engraved and then cut out of 5mm lauan
[09:57:25] <ssi> but I don't have pics of it yet
[09:57:50] <ssi> cutting wasn't quite right... didn't perfectly penetrate through the very bottom
[09:57:56] <ssi> need to tweak focus height and feedrates
[09:57:58] <PetefromTn_> sweet. how thick a piece of wood can you cut with that thing?
[09:58:04] <jdh> tried any plexi or the like?
[09:58:06] <ssi> I was able to cut 1/2", but it was hard
[09:58:12] <ssi> jdh: yeah acrylic cuts beautifully
[09:58:16] <ssi> lexan not so much
[09:58:18] <PetefromTn_> isn't it just go slower?
[09:58:27] <ssi> PetefromTn_: well depth of field is a big part of it too
[09:58:42] <ssi> with a 4" or 5" lens and very slow feedrates I can probably do 1/2" reasonably well
[09:58:47] <PetefromTn_> I have zero knowledge of lasers just guessing here.
[09:58:57] <jdh> lexan is polycarbonate?
[09:59:00] <ssi> jdh: ya
[10:01:11] <ssi> I was getting a weird ghost line while cutting last night
[10:01:30] <ssi> I think I accidentally dragged the nozzle across the bed frame; I wonder if I scraped the anodize off the nozzle and now I'm getting a reflection
[10:01:41] <jdh> with whom?
[10:02:02] <ssi> ?
[10:02:08] <jdh> nevermind.
[10:13:31] <Loetmichel> ssi: nice!
[10:13:40] <ssi> Loetmichel: :)
[10:13:43] <ssi> motion is in good shape
[10:13:57] <ssi> now I just need to dial in focus heights and feedrates
[10:14:39] <Loetmichel> ssi: seen what i do ?
[10:14:48] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15074
[10:14:56] <Loetmichel> ... the bit seems to be a bit dull ;-)
[10:16:14] <ssi> hahah
[10:16:14] <ssi> hard-machining?
[10:16:22] <Loetmichel> steel sheet metal
[10:16:22] <syyl_ws> even if we machine something abou 60rockwells we dont get such a nice firework ;)
[10:16:22] <Loetmichel> with a bit that has no teeth left ;-)
[10:16:22] <ssi> ahh so truly dull :)
[10:16:37] <Loetmichel> it glows no while "cutting"
[10:16:40] <Loetmichel> now
[10:17:43] <Loetmichel> and i bought only two of them on syyls reccomendation because "they last forever" at his company ;-)
[10:17:44] <ssi> ahaha
[10:17:44] <ssi> way to go, syyl
[10:18:31] <syyl_ws> maybe to add that our "router" weights about 2 tons
[10:18:35] <syyl_ws> and has a real spindle
[10:18:40] <Loetmichel> seems a chinese cnc 6040 is a bit less rigid than his machines
[10:18:46] <ssi> aww
[10:18:56] <syyl_ws> ;)
[10:19:00] <Loetmichel> syyl: the spuindle is ok
[10:19:17] <Loetmichel> the lacking rigity will cost the bits i think
[10:19:52] <syyl_ws> every 1/100mm of runout on the tip of the endmill reduces its life in hard materials sigificant
[10:20:54] <Loetmichel> i cant measure ANY runout on that spindle with a 1/10mm dial
[10:21:00] <Loetmichel> 1/100mm dial
[10:21:11] <syyl_ws> so its anything between zero and 3/100mm
[10:21:25] <syyl_ws> :)
[10:21:35] <Loetmichel> but i can SEE the gantry flexing when the mill bit touches the steel
[10:21:48] <ssi> heheh
[10:21:48] <syyl_ws> thats not helping either
[10:22:07] <ssi> I was calibrating my axes yesterday and I could see a 0.003" deflection in an indicator when I leaned on the edge of the machine frame
[10:22:24] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[10:23:14] <syyl_ws> no problem to bend a real toolroom mill by leaning against it :)
[10:23:36] <ssi> fortunately this isn't a mill :)
[10:23:49] <ssi> just need to hang a sign on it "please do not lean on machine whilst cutting"
[10:24:21] <syyl_ws> :D
[10:27:09] <ssi> wow, power density falls off FAST with longer lenses
[10:29:08] <Loetmichel> ssi: i can see the gantry flex half the 1.2mm milling width when cutting into steel
[10:29:17] <Loetmichel> that CANT be good for the tool ,-)
[10:29:36] <ssi> no, it can't :)
[10:29:56] <Loetmichel> i didnt meant to say syyl has recommended bullshit. just tat it doesent work as advertized for me
[10:30:14] <ssi> maybe you need a 2 ton router to go with it! :)
[10:30:21] <syyl_ws> as usual: your result may vary
[10:30:23] <syyl_ws> ;)
[10:30:49] <Loetmichel> maybe,. but the 2000Eur for this small cnc 6040 had cost me 3 years of persuation.
[10:30:54] <syyl_ws> at least we do toolroom work with that stuff ;)
[10:31:11] <ssi> persuading your sugar momma to buy it for you? :D
[10:31:12] <Loetmichel> do you tink my boss would be grateful that i ask him to order a 150keur machine?
[10:31:21] <Loetmichel> i am at the company
[10:31:47] <ssi> ahh
[10:32:11] <Loetmichel> on my home maschine the bit would have lasted longer
[10:32:17] <Loetmichel> it is much more rigid
[10:32:24] <Loetmichel> but way to small foor that work
[10:33:01] <Loetmichel> my home CNC can only move 110*200*110mm
[10:33:52] <Loetmichel> thats my home CNC http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12811
[10:34:33] <ssi> ahh right
[10:34:42] <ssi> what is that machine?
[10:34:50] <ssi> is it something homebuilt? or a commercial machine, retrofit, or what
[10:35:14] <Loetmichel> it is build from scratch
[10:35:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14688
[10:35:24] <Loetmichel> thats the company one
[10:36:02] <ssi> the 6040 seems too expensive for what it is
[10:36:22] <ssi> I built a similar (but smaller) machine like four or five years ago
[10:36:33] <ssi> but I was never happy with the gantry travel; it rocks
[10:36:42] <ssi> I need to rebuild it with a fixed gantry and sliding table
[10:36:57] <Loetmichel> the home machine has issues, too
[10:36:58] <kb8wmc> good day to all, is there any problem with running a 4th axis in linear mode....X Y Z A ?
[10:36:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14034
[10:37:18] <ssi> kb8wmc: what are you using it for?
[10:37:23] <Loetmichel> degrading POM nuts in the table from swarf, for example ;-)
[10:37:27] <syyl_ws> and thats what we run as a router ;)
[10:37:28] <syyl_ws> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/QMTL2/IMAG0197.jpg
[10:37:28] <ssi> A wouldn't be the right terminology probably
[10:37:33] <kb8wmc> running a small nema motor
[10:37:36] <ssi> A is usually a rotational axis about X
[10:37:51] <ssi> U would be a linear axis parallel to X
[10:38:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14037 <- had to fix that switch lately, too ;-)
[10:38:18] <kb8wmc> hmmm
[10:38:35] <ssi> syyl_ws: nice way covers :)
[10:38:58] <kb8wmc> I realize it is usually angular, but can it be run linear?
[10:39:36] <ssi> without telling me what you're trying to do, I have no idea how to answer that
[10:39:39] <ssi> the answer is probably "yes"
[10:39:49] <Connor> kb8wmc: Can be used any way you want.. it depends on the application.
[10:40:17] <syyl_ws> yeah ssi, i love the look of those too :D
[10:40:55] <kb8wmc> ssi: I want to run a small nema 17 motor along with the 3 nema 23 motors
[10:41:13] <Loetmichel> ssi: the 6040 is a nice and cheap tool for its buildroom
[10:41:28] <Loetmichel> it just was never meant to do steel
[10:42:00] <Loetmichel> k8: the A axis is configured as a rotatioonal axis
[10:42:08] <Loetmichel> so it moves in ° rather than mm
[10:42:33] <ssi> kb8wmc: motors are rotational... can you see why I might be lacking information here? :)
[10:46:49] <jsskangas> About TCP, does new version of linuxcnc has TCP implemented.
[10:47:07] <jsskangas> Im talking about G43.4 as fanuc code
[10:47:48] <jsskangas> I have found my self in situation where I need this TCP in non rotating table mode
[10:50:30] <jsskangas> I already have done kinematics for rotating table mode.
[10:51:45] <jsskangas> this was fairly easy task, but non rotating table mode is different thing.
[10:51:52] <ssi> so what's the downside of using a beam expander?
[10:52:10] <ssi> it seems like a beam expander is all win; smaller spot and taller DOF
[10:52:15] <ssi> but it can't possibly be all win
[10:52:20] <jsskangas> I have not yet find any logic behind this move
[10:54:13] <ssi> so according to calculator, if I have a 6mm 40W beam, and I focus it with a 50.8mm lens, I end up witha 114um spot at about 4kw/mm^2 power density
[10:54:26] <ssi> well, if I throw a 2x beam expander in there, and I have a 12mm beam entering the lens
[10:54:42] <ssi> suddenly I have a 57um spot with 16kw/mm^2 power density
[10:54:46] <ssi> that feels like creating energy to me :)
[10:55:37] <ssi> oh I see, the dof gets cut down by a factor of 4
[11:11:19] <kb8wmc> Loetmichel: ssi: I just tried the machine running the A axis as linear instead of angular...I changed the .ini file to accomplish this...the motor seems to be acting properly at this time, but I am going to experiment with for a while....thank you for your comments
[11:46:15] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:46:55] <IchGuckLive> si well done to the laser setup
[11:46:56] <ktchk> hi what is up?
[11:47:25] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: for me its been a waiting for the big thunderstorm to arrive
[11:47:54] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: not for germany..haha
[11:48:46] <IchGuckLive> ssi: on the CRC diuscussion tonigt we got realy information on the wikipedia at CRC use
[11:51:29] <IchGuckLive> k6mle-CNC: how ist the 40ksteps mashine moving today
[11:52:48] <IchGuckLive> jsskangas: still on here
[11:56:45] <K6MLE> Hi Ich ... I haven't been out to the machine yet ... heading out there in just a few minutes ...
[11:57:15] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:06:41] <Loetmichel> ssi: DOF?
[12:11:24] <pcw_home> Loetmichel: Depth Of Field probably
[12:13:39] <Loetmichel> i.e: "cutting" depth?
[12:13:48] <SpeedEvil> Not quite
[12:13:50] <Loetmichel> or "focus range"?
[12:13:56] <SpeedEvil> Focus range is closer
[12:14:33] <SpeedEvil> If you have a parallel beam, and you focus it down into a spot, using a lens, then you get a point at which the LASER is focussed, andthen a cone before and after it where it widens out
[12:14:33] <Loetmichel> iirc lasers use a certain range around the focus pint for cutting
[12:14:43] <Loetmichel> if the dot gets to thick it wont cut
[12:14:54] <SpeedEvil> A higher depth of field means that this cone is narrower
[12:15:04] <SpeedEvil> But may mean that the spot isn't quite as tight
[12:15:04] <Loetmichel> so i understood it right
[12:16:00] <Loetmichel> i think "useable focus range" gets the point
[12:16:21] <IchGuckLive> i got 3mm at the DVD laser diod on witch i can engrave
[12:16:30] <IchGuckLive> in Z hight
[12:16:52] <Loetmichel> and i was under the impression that a long focus on the last lens is better because the cone gets narrower
[12:16:55] <IchGuckLive> depending on the Wood it gets near 0.5mm
[12:17:52] <IchGuckLive> indeed if you can get a focal of 16mm as most cheep lenses got you are able to pinpoint the best shot
[12:21:10] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: i have a 50mW 405nm laser at home... which i will use to make a pcb exposer
[12:21:45] <Loetmichel> imagine my surprise that even that little thing can makt black plastic when focussed "juuuust right"
[12:22:10] <IchGuckLive> agree
[12:22:12] <Loetmichel> ... the dot must be in the submicron range to get enough power per square
[12:22:59] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14322 <- and its really tiny
[12:23:44] <IchGuckLive> i needed to get 4 DVD aligned at 200mW input eatch for engraving kambala
[12:24:53] <Loetmichel> s/makt/mark
[12:25:15] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: good day to you sir....
[12:25:24] <IchGuckLive> hi
[12:25:40] <IchGuckLive> michel are you in thunderstorm line todyay
[12:26:04] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: did you help your ham friend here around you
[12:26:43] <kb8wmc> don't know which one ICH, it looks like there are a couple HAM's in here now...
[12:27:06] <IchGuckLive> k6
[12:27:27] <kb8wmc> haven't chatted with him at all
[12:27:34] <kb8wmc> as far as I remember
[12:27:38] <IchGuckLive> ok
[12:28:08] <kb8wmc> how are you doing today ICH?
[12:28:35] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: here is no thunderstorm
[12:28:39] <Loetmichel> just a bit of rain
[12:28:51] <IchGuckLive> oh i got a hell biciycle ride as Thunderstorm came in and the hill startend to grow more then ever
[12:28:52] <Loetmichel> that cools the air juuust nice ;-)
[12:29:28] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: and it started to rain as 1il to go
[12:29:33] <IchGuckLive> mil
[12:29:48] <Loetmichel> ml
[12:29:51] <IchGuckLive> so i decided to get a little wet
[12:29:54] <kb8wmc> and the hills just get bigger
[12:30:25] <IchGuckLive> so record hillclimb today for me
[12:30:37] <kb8wmc> lol
[12:30:52] <Loetmichel> its only a strom if the wind lifts the bicycle with you on it
[12:30:53] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[12:30:56] <Loetmichel> storm
[12:31:27] <kb8wmc> or trees start falling on you
[12:31:29] <Loetmichel> anything less is a "laues lüftchen"
[12:31:38] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:31:41] <Loetmichel> kb8wmc: right
[12:32:08] <IchGuckLive> only if you catch the firertrucks then its a nice storm ride
[12:32:34] <Loetmichel> i did my military time at the navvy, sailing around skagerrak and east sea
[12:32:44] <Loetmichel> THERE is bad weahter
[12:32:52] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: you need a electric powered quadracycle with enclosure
[12:33:35] <kb8wmc> Loetmichel: is that in the North Sea area?
[12:33:41] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: i hope the Familie is geting me one at the 14th Aug
[12:33:41] <Loetmichel> 8 beaufort with gushes up to 12 is perfectly normal
[12:34:02] <Loetmichel> kb8wmc: skaggerak is where north and east sea meet
[12:34:07] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: you are fortunate
[12:34:18] <kb8wmc> Loetmichel: ah
[12:34:29] <IchGuckLive> fortun only dies at the future
[12:34:40] <IchGuckLive> in the
[12:34:55] <Loetmichel> https://www.google.de/maps/@58.1941134,9.5676423,8z?hl=de
[12:34:58] <Loetmichel> there
[12:35:01] <kb8wmc> tnx
[12:35:59] <Loetmichel> oh, i see... german "ostsee" is called baltic sea international.
[12:36:01] <Loetmichel> sorry ;-)
[12:36:02] <kb8wmc> Loetmichel: I imagine it does get very cold in that area
[12:36:37] <IchGuckLive> kb this year baltic is nicer then the soth
[12:36:42] <Loetmichel> it does sometimes. but surprisingly not that often
[12:37:16] <IchGuckLive> Ask Jesus alos he is in the Hot Spot
[12:37:45] <kb8wmc> how far south?
[12:38:44] <IchGuckLive> not that far but east of hills that frap all the cold stuff and clear view to the African desert to the south
[12:39:35] <IchGuckLive> he got hit last week at 48deg + Shadow place
[12:39:44] <kb8wmc> wow
[12:40:15] <kb8wmc> oh, that is 48C....
[12:40:20] <IchGuckLive> ive seen his shop temp messurerment at near 60deg on mashie side with open doors
[12:40:23] <kb8wmc> my mistake
[12:41:28] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: what part of Germany are you located?
[12:41:50] <IchGuckLive> Ramstein South west
[12:42:08] <IchGuckLive> http://www.wetter.com/wetter_aktuell/niederschlagsradar/deutschland/
[12:42:13] <kb8wmc> I bet we are near the same longitude
[12:46:39] <IchGuckLive> 43 vs 49
[12:47:06] <IchGuckLive> are yoju living direct to the lake
[12:47:26] <k6mle-CNC> Hello ...
[12:47:32] <IchGuckLive> west of the airfiled
[12:47:42] <IchGuckLive> hi k6
[12:48:03] <k6mle-CNC> Hi Ich ...
[12:48:13] <IchGuckLive> and how is the Z
[12:48:31] <k6mle-CNC> Still have a slow ramp up/down on the Z ... need to lessen the ramp ...
[12:49:12] <IchGuckLive> a faster ramp will shure grap all your left force on the G factor
[12:49:12] <Loetmichel> k6mle-CNC: heavy z?
[12:49:25] <kb8wmc> K6MLE: .... ..
[12:49:29] <Loetmichel> or weak stepper?
[12:49:32] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: no 40000 steps per 25mm
[12:49:34] <k6mle-CNC> Loet: not compared to what most of you are running with!
[12:49:41] <k6mle-CNC> New stepper ...
[12:50:09] <Loetmichel> do you have a pic and data?
[12:50:09] <k6mle-CNC> Step Scale currently at 40000
[12:50:23] <k6mle-CNC> Loet: Mill is an old MAXNC-10
[12:50:24] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: he got direct drive at Gecko 10x at 20TPI
[12:50:40] <Loetmichel> 1580 steps per mm?
[12:50:45] <Loetmichel> thats WAY to much
[12:51:02] <IchGuckLive> he looses all the force on steprate
[12:51:16] <IchGuckLive> the gecko has no Halfstepping
[12:51:25] <Loetmichel> hmm, it hasnt?
[12:51:33] <IchGuckLive> it is fixed at 200*10*20
[12:51:35] <skunkworks> stuck at X10
[12:51:46] <Loetmichel> whats the smalles microstepping you can adjust?
[12:51:52] <Loetmichel> oh shit
[12:52:13] <IchGuckLive> ON all Gecko pages and PDF there is a SIGN use 4:1 Gear no Direct drive to Steppers
[12:52:15] <Loetmichel> so ite really 158 steps per mm?
[12:52:36] <IchGuckLive> woudt be good if
[12:52:40] <IchGuckLive> 1580
[12:52:41] <Loetmichel> for a "full step drive"?
[12:53:17] <IchGuckLive> XY is ok but the G on the z makes it whorse
[12:53:41] <k6mle-CNC> I was looking in the G540 User Manual for the info on microstepping, but don't quite find it ...
[12:53:43] <IchGuckLive> the 5i25 can handle that rate
[12:54:47] <k6mle-CNC> Can I just change this and lessen the ramp: STEP_SCALE = 40000.0
[12:54:56] <IchGuckLive> k6 your old TB6560 woudt be the better choice as the gecko
[12:55:09] <k6mle-CNC> Ich ... I don'
[12:55:20] <IchGuckLive> ok
[12:55:25] <Loetmichel> no it wouldnt
[12:55:28] <IchGuckLive> so improve timing on Z
[12:55:31] <k6mle-CNC> t have a power supply that's good enough for it ...
[12:55:41] <IchGuckLive> and then acceleration
[12:55:41] <pcw_home> The Gecko is far better than any Toshiba chip
[12:55:47] <Loetmichel> right
[12:56:14] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: dont agree at SCALE 40000
[12:56:30] <Loetmichel> and hence the steppers are effectively only doing 4000 steps per " its a nice scale
[12:56:35] <pcw_home> scale is irreleveant
[12:56:39] <k6mle-CNC> How to improve the timing ... remembering I'm not a machinist ... just play one here at the office on occasion!
[12:56:44] <IchGuckLive> TB woudt be 4000 at 5i25 the better choice
[12:57:02] <Loetmichel> the microsteps are good for smoothing it, but have no effect on stepper speed whatsoever
[12:57:34] <pcw_home> the Toshibas have no antiresonance as are basically bottom of the barrel
[12:57:52] <Loetmichel> as i am a lpt port guy: no idea how to change the timing with a 525I
[12:57:58] <IchGuckLive> k6mle-CNC: DIRSETUP = 10000
[12:58:06] <IchGuckLive> DIRHOLD = 10000
[12:58:12] <IchGuckLive> STEPLEN = 5000
[12:58:17] <IchGuckLive> STEPSPACE = 5000
[12:58:25] <pcw_home> the 5I25 will cheerful generate 8MHz step rates
[12:58:47] <k6mle-CNC> Ich: let me plug those numbers in and give it a try ...
[12:59:02] <IchGuckLive> MAX_VELOCITY = 1.333333
[12:59:12] <IchGuckLive> MAX_ACCELERATION = 3.0
[12:59:31] <IchGuckLive> STEPGEN_MAXVEL = 2.0
[12:59:41] <IchGuckLive> STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 4.0
[12:59:47] <IchGuckLive> that shoudt work
[13:00:17] <k6mle-CNC> I will let you know in a moment ...
[13:00:24] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: agree but how match force does a stepper have at that acceleration
[13:02:23] <k6mle-CNC> Ich: that helped the ramp problem ... still have a direction change issue ... not always responding to the change in direction.
[13:02:44] <k6mle-CNC> I need some limit switches!
[13:02:45] <IchGuckLive> DIRSETUP = 40000
[13:02:55] <IchGuckLive> DIRHOLD = 5000
[13:03:01] <IchGuckLive> only on Z
[13:03:35] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: agree but how match force does a stepper have at that acceleration
[13:03:38] <k6mle-CNC> okay ... trying those only on Z
[13:03:48] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:03:53] <IchGuckLive> keep the rest
[13:05:21] <pcw_home> Is the 5I25 connected directly to the Gecko?
[13:05:27] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:06:56] <IchGuckLive> he orderd from mesa with parport firmware ready to plug
[13:07:50] <pcw_home> So you dont need long step/dir setup or hold times, 2.5 usec (2500 )is fine
[13:07:52] <pcw_home> failure to change direction probably means you have a mechanical issue or too fast
[13:07:54] <pcw_home> acceleration
[13:08:16] <k6mle-CNC> I'm back to the long ramp up/down ...
[13:08:21] <IchGuckLive> Fully Agree
[13:09:15] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: its Gecko direct to 200Steps at 20TPI
[13:09:33] <IchGuckLive> so where shoudt the force came from at that numbers
[13:10:02] <pcw_home> 2000 steps/turn so 40000 steps/inch
[13:10:14] <IchGuckLive> k6mle-CNC: what Speed did you check
[13:10:30] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: right
[13:10:57] <IchGuckLive> 30 ipm
[13:11:05] <k6mle-CNC> Jog speed?
[13:11:13] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:11:23] <k6mle-CNC> The jog speed slider is at 15 in/min...
[13:11:39] <IchGuckLive> and still bad ramp
[13:11:56] <k6mle-CNC> right now the ramp is too long, yes ..
[13:12:12] <IchGuckLive> Dir issue still on at that numbers
[13:12:35] <k6mle-CNC> yes, DIR still a problem ... even when just jogging and not running gcode ...
[13:13:18] <IchGuckLive> so its yust your mechanical probvelem the electronic si not able to solve
[13:13:42] <pcw_home> maybe not enough torque for the acceleration you are asking for
[13:13:55] <IchGuckLive> :-)
[13:14:09] <pcw_home> or mechanical (leadscrew) probles
[13:14:15] <k6mle-CNC> pcw: can that be overcome with the 'right' numbers?
[13:14:21] <IchGuckLive> 4TPI woudt be perfect
[13:14:29] <k6mle-CNC> all 3 axes are direct drive 20 TPI ...
[13:15:27] <k6mle-CNC> X & Y seem to be just fine with what they're set at ...
[13:15:36] <IchGuckLive> K6 cand you get ypour CHief a leadshine MX3660
[13:15:48] <IchGuckLive> that woudt do your deal
[13:16:05] <IchGuckLive> insted of the Gecko
[13:16:16] <k6mle-CNC> my boss wants this to work ... that's what I have to deal with at the moment ...
[13:16:35] <IchGuckLive> so lets try the lowest posible
[13:16:37] <k6mle-CNC> he doesn't like me throwing 'good money after bad' ...
[13:16:40] <pcw_home> Other than acceleration settings I dont think theres any setting in LInuxcnc that is going to help
[13:17:17] <IchGuckLive> MAX_VELOCITY = 0.08
[13:17:31] <IchGuckLive> MAX_ACCELERATION = 1.0
[13:17:46] <IchGuckLive> STEPGEN_MAXVEL = 0.15
[13:18:00] <IchGuckLive> STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 1.5.0
[13:18:04] <IchGuckLive> STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 1.5
[13:18:46] <IchGuckLive> this will limit the z to 5IPM first hand
[13:18:49] <k6mle-CNC> DIRSETUP = 40000?
[13:18:55] <IchGuckLive> keep it
[13:19:05] <k6mle-CNC> okay
[13:19:07] <pcw_home> dirsetup 2500 should be fine
[13:19:29] <pcw_home> look up the G540 specs 40000 is crazy long
[13:19:54] <IchGuckLive> lets wait till stepeprs gain backward force
[13:20:04] <pcw_home> NO!
[13:20:09] <IchGuckLive> ok
[13:20:38] <pcw_home> trying to do this with the electrical timing is just wrong
[13:20:42] <IchGuckLive> k6mle-CNC: DIRSETUP = 2500 Requirerd
[13:20:45] <k6mle-CNC> okay ... so I'll go with the above changes and set DIRSETUP to 2500 ...
[13:21:08] <IchGuckLive> DIRHOLD = 2500
[13:21:35] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: i know but he is not reponding to ALL of US at any Time
[13:21:49] <k6mle-CNC> steplen and stepspace are at 5000 ... leave them?
[13:22:28] <IchGuckLive> go back to 1500
[13:22:32] <pcw_home> thats fasts enough
[13:22:33] <IchGuckLive> both
[13:22:52] <IchGuckLive> Gecko require 700
[13:24:23] <pcw_home> G540 is 1 usec step and 2 usec space _minimum_
[13:24:25] <pcw_home> I would add a usec each for margin so steplen 2000 stepspace 3000
[13:24:35] <k6mle-CNC> with the above numbers, the Z is not moving ...
[13:25:08] <IchGuckLive> get the pcw numbers
[13:25:25] <k6mle-CNC> will go with 2000 & 3000
[13:25:32] <pcw_home> (these numbers are assuming you have the G540 connected directly to the 5I25)
[13:25:52] <IchGuckLive> within 3feet
[13:25:52] <k6mle-CNC> pcw: that connection is correct ...
[13:26:06] <Loetmichel> i have seen some REEAAALLY slow optos in breakouut boards...
[13:26:15] <k6mle-CNC> I might have a 5 foot carallel cable ...
[13:26:34] <pcw_home> shouldn't matter
[13:27:11] <k6mle-CNC> giving it another try ...
[13:27:56] <k6mle-CNC> Still no movement on that axis ... just sort of hums ...
[13:28:37] <IchGuckLive> itrs only at 5IPM keep in mind
[13:28:51] <IchGuckLive> is it moving or not
[13:29:04] <k6mle-CNC> Ich ... I can see that the leadscrew is not turning ...
[13:29:12] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[13:29:31] <IchGuckLive> ok go up with the DIRSETUP =
[13:29:41] <Loetmichel> you sure you have no opto isolators between the 5i25 and the gecko?
[13:30:02] <k6mle-CNC> Loet: 5i25 to Gecko is direct.
[13:30:17] <pcw_home> The Gecko has them but their specs take these into account
[13:30:20] <IchGuckLive> the timing is your main target now
[13:30:38] <IchGuckLive> pcw at more as i said it works
[13:30:45] <Loetmichel> k6mle-CNC: ok
[13:30:49] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: i know
[13:30:54] <IchGuckLive> steplen and stepspace are at 5000
[13:31:09] <Loetmichel> that doesent rule out a breakout pcb wiht a second set of optos
[13:31:11] <IchGuckLive> DIRSETUP = 20000
[13:31:12] <k6mle-CNC> they are currently at 2500
[13:31:23] <IchGuckLive> go up
[13:31:35] <IchGuckLive> in 500 til lthe mashine moves
[13:31:51] <k6mle-CNC> by 500 increments on both?
[13:32:14] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:32:28] <k6mle-CNC> okay ... trying 3000 ...
[13:33:19] <k6mle-CNC> going to 3500
[13:33:25] <IchGuckLive> you kow the Z moved at STEPLEN = 5000 STEPSPACE = 5000 DIRHOLD = 5000 DIRSETUP = 40000 so somwhere in this it shoudt start to move
[13:34:25] <k6mle-CNC> going to 4000
[13:34:29] <pcw_home> Gecko specs 200 ns dir setup and hold
[13:35:00] <pcw_home> its very unlikely that this is the issue
[13:35:01] <IchGuckLive> MAX_VELOCITY = 0.10
[13:35:09] <Loetmichel> hmm
[13:35:12] <IchGuckLive> pcw- we all kow
[13:35:35] <Loetmichel> on a PC plt port instad of the 5i25 i would suggest a weak pin driver
[13:35:42] <k6mle-CNC> didn't like it at 4000 ...
[13:35:51] <Loetmichel> but i suppose that cant happen on a 5i25?
[13:35:53] <IchGuckLive> i got on all 200 + mashines i build a scale at 100 or lower
[13:36:20] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BYE
[13:36:28] <k6mle-CNC> thanks Ich ...
[13:36:31] <pcw_home> 5i25 has 24 Ma drive but only 3.3V outputs
[13:36:31] <kb8wmc> bye ich
[13:36:42] <Loetmichel> K6MLE: how do you supply the PC for the maschine?
[13:36:57] <Loetmichel> same socket/powerstrip as the machine?
[13:37:17] <k6mle-CNC> Loet: yes ... it's on a big plug strip ...
[13:37:22] <Loetmichel> (maybe its graound fu**
[13:37:27] <Loetmichel> ground
[13:37:35] <k6mle-CNC> with ground ...
[13:37:46] <Loetmichel> do you have a multimeter handy?
[13:38:00] <k6mle-CNC> I can step to my office and get one ...
[13:38:06] <k6mle-CNC> what to check?
[13:38:18] <Loetmichel> can you check the voltage between the screws on the gecko and the screws of the PC?
[13:38:26] <Loetmichel> on ac AND dc?
[13:38:54] <k6mle-CNC> The power supply is providing the G540 with 45 volts ...
[13:38:57] <Loetmichel> should both be near zero, max a few 100mV
[13:39:27] <Loetmichel> K6MLE: i meant: can you check the ground levels
[13:39:28] <k6mle-CNC> I can check those ... let me grab the DVM ... BRB
[13:39:36] <Loetmichel> bwtween the gecko and the PC
[13:39:45] <k6mle-CNC> Oh! ... yes ...
[13:39:52] <k6mle-CNC> brb
[13:41:38] <k6mle-CNC> okay ... got a Fluke DVM ...
[13:42:48] <k6mle-CNC> I have .76 volts AC between PC and G540 ...
[13:43:09] <skunkworks> wow
[13:43:44] <k6mle-CNC> measuring from chassis to chassis ...
[13:43:47] <pcw_home> should be OK if that from PC to step motor side of Gecko (since they are isolated)
[13:44:41] <Loetmichel> less than 1V is very ok
[13:44:52] <k6mle-CNC> whew!
[13:45:00] <Loetmichel> was just an idea to check
[13:45:17] <k6mle-CNC> yeah ... I know ground loops can be a bitch!
[13:45:19] <Loetmichel> i have had problems with common mode EMI cause of that
[13:45:37] <archivist> at this stage I scope the signals both sides of the opto IN the driver
[13:45:46] <Loetmichel> archivist: me too
[13:46:03] <Loetmichel> but i doubt k6mle-CNC has a oscilloscope
[13:46:14] <Loetmichel> ... AND knows how to use it
[13:46:17] <archivist> invalidating any seals :)
[13:46:33] <Loetmichel> archivist: not neccessarily
[13:46:39] <archivist> I think he does have a scope iirc
[13:46:47] <Loetmichel> one can open the subD plug covers
[13:46:59] <k6mle-CNC> I have a scope ... and hold an extra class ham license ... been doing electronics design for 30 years ...
[13:47:05] <Loetmichel> you cant get to the opto OUt side though
[13:47:23] <k6mle-CNC> this has just been a bear for me to figure out from the machinist standpoint!
[13:47:25] <Loetmichel> k6mle-CNC: then: use it! ;-)
[13:47:56] <k6mle-CNC> Loet: what am I looking at with the scope?
[13:47:56] <Loetmichel> ah, btw: you have triople checked that the stepper current is set correctly?
[13:48:10] <jdh> and no loose wires
[13:48:16] <k6mle-CNC> Stepper current set with a 2.7K resistor ...
[13:48:29] <k6mle-CNC> they are 2.8 amps/phase motors ...
[13:48:34] <Loetmichel> you SHOULD see a nice rectangular signal when moving to one side at constant speed
[13:48:52] <Loetmichel> on the IN of the opto AND on the out
[13:48:57] <k6mle-CNC> Loet: watching the stepper output?
[13:49:09] <Loetmichel> no, on the inputs of the gecko
[13:49:15] <k6mle-CNC> ah
[13:49:37] <Loetmichel> the stepper out will be PWM signal, looking a bit like a very fast phase angle cutoff
[13:49:42] <k6mle-CNC> that will show me that I have a clean signal coming from the 5i25 ...
[13:49:46] <Loetmichel> "dimemr"
[13:49:49] <Loetmichel> "dimmer"
[13:50:06] <Loetmichel> dont know the english word for that
[13:50:09] <k6mle-CNC> yep ... familiar with PWM ...
[13:50:25] <jdh> the problem persists from p-port to 5i25 and on multiple axes?
[13:50:34] <Loetmichel> pwm on a big inductance looks a bit funny though
[13:50:41] <k6mle-CNC> jdh: only a problem on the Z
[13:50:50] <jdh> x and y got better?
[13:51:00] <k6mle-CNC> X & Y look beautiful!
[13:51:06] <jdh> what did you do for them?
[13:51:33] <k6mle-CNC> I fed them properly and played them some of their favorite music!! ;)
[13:51:57] <jdh> are you using all 4 drivers?
[13:52:26] <k6mle-CNC> seriously ... the X & Y have been good for the last few days of experimenting ... only using 3 drivers
[13:52:39] <k6mle-CNC> X, Y & Z
[13:52:52] <jdh> have you tried Z on the other driver?
[13:53:15] <jdh> or x or y motors on the Z driver?
[13:53:17] <k6mle-CNC> jdh: yes ... that was one of the first things I tried ...
[13:53:50] <k6mle-CNC> It seems to be a matter of fine tuning the different mechanical load of the Z, when compared to the X & Y ...
[13:54:09] <k6mle-CNC> not tuning the load, but compensating for it ...
[13:54:54] <pcw_home> all you have for that is the Z axsi acceleration settings
[13:55:32] <k6mle-CNC> would posting my INI file be any help?
[13:57:04] <Loetmichel> i dont think so
[13:57:24] <Loetmichel> the only thing i can think of is that your stepper is done for
[13:57:49] <Loetmichel> maybe it got to hot and has loosed magnet power?
[13:57:56] <k6mle-CNC> the motor itself?
[13:57:57] <jdh> or a bad wire :)
[13:58:16] <Loetmichel> jdh: or that, right
[13:58:36] <k6mle-CNC> I can change them around and see if a different motor in that position changes the situation ...
[13:58:47] <k6mle-CNC> http://pastebin.com/9CnPaC6S
[13:58:50] <k6mle-CNC> that's the INI
[13:59:12] <Loetmichel> if thats easy i would check that
[13:59:51] <k6mle-CNC> Okay ... I'll swap the Z for the X and see how it 'plays' ...
[13:59:52] <Loetmichel> ah, btw: did you try to turn the motor unpugged by hand?
[14:00:01] <k6mle-CNC> it will take a few minutes ...
[14:00:05] <Loetmichel> any rough spots there?
[14:00:39] <k6mle-CNC> I don't have a crank on the motors, but haven't felt anything odd when turning with my fingers ...
[14:01:08] <Loetmichel> i menant: mounted inside the z axis
[14:01:22] <Loetmichel> so you chek the alingmet and the ballsrew also
[14:01:31] <k6mle-CNC> Just a thought ... should I expect the motor to behave if I just put it on the bench and not mechanically connected to anything?
[14:04:12] <Loetmichel> yes
[14:04:38] <Loetmichel> if it is not working there it is something in the motor/driver
[14:04:44] <k6mle-CNC> Just tried the motor on the bench ... sits there and vibrates with the current settings ....
[14:05:08] <Loetmichel> so you have another motor that you can use there?
[14:05:14] <k6mle-CNC> Shall I change the settings in the INI to match X & Y?
[14:05:30] <Loetmichel> try
[14:05:40] <Loetmichel> but i doubt that it will work then
[14:05:51] <k6mle-CNC> I don't have an extra motor at present ... that'd be too easy ! ;)
[14:06:09] <k6mle-CNC> I'll change the settings to match X ...
[14:06:09] <Loetmichel> so use the x or y motor for a test
[14:06:17] <Loetmichel> if they are similar
[14:06:40] <Loetmichel> do you have a pic of your machine?
[14:06:54] <Loetmichel> so i know aboult which category we are taling about?
[14:07:13] <k6mle-CNC> I can post one ... It's a MAXNC 10 ... it's on the web ...
[14:07:23] <Loetmichel> googling now
[14:07:27] <k6mle-CNC> it's a little thing.
[14:08:21] <Loetmichel> ha, thats exactly the size of mine
[14:08:40] <k6mle-CNC> :)
[14:08:50] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12811
[14:09:17] <k6mle-CNC> this might even be smaller than yours!
[14:09:34] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14040
[14:09:50] <Loetmichel> no, that machine is 200 by 110 by 110mm travel
[14:09:56] <Loetmichel> yours is a BIT bigger
[14:10:06] <k6mle-CNC> I'm going to back up my current INI file and change Z to match X ... just to see if the motor behaves any differently ...
[14:11:33] <Loetmichel> btw: i use 1 amp motors on mine
[14:11:39] <Loetmichel> and that works fine
[14:11:48] <skunkworks> where do you have the current liminting resistor?
[14:12:16] <k6mle-CNC> skunk: the resistor is at the DB9
[14:12:33] <skunkworks> at the 540?
[14:13:02] <k6mle-CNC> at the 540
[14:13:23] <k6mle-CNC> Just tried the X settings on the Z motor and it runs just fine ...
[14:13:24] <skunkworks> ok (I have read that some have put it at the motor end.. that didn't work so well)
[14:14:16] <k6mle-CNC> I have 6-positiion molex connectors at the motor end ...
[14:14:21] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLjMg0Nitk <- mine is working fine with 1A steppers
[14:14:40] <Loetmichel> so i would be surprised if yours shouldn run with 3A steppers....
[14:15:05] <k6mle-CNC> so this appears to be bringing me back to finding the 'sweet' settings for the Z axis ...
[14:15:32] <Loetmichel> (acrylic is messy to mill though)
[14:15:53] <k6mle-CNC> all they mill here, so far, is plastic ...
[14:16:27] <k6mle-CNC> and the cavities made from MDF to hold the plastic ...
[14:16:31] <Loetmichel> mine does aluminium and even steel (last not SO well, though)
[14:17:35] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzOtqYhpHIM <- alu (loud)
[14:18:15] <k6mle-CNC> it certainly appears to be a mechanical loading issue that wants different settings on Z than on X & Y ... I suppose this is normal?
[14:18:36] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11816 <- steeel
[14:18:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11828
[14:18:57] <Loetmichel> to a certain degree it is normal. but not that much
[14:19:13] <Loetmichel> i can move x and y up to 50mm/s
[14:19:15] <k6mle-CNC> Don't have this box set up for flash ...
[14:19:25] <Loetmichel> and z up to 30mm/s
[14:19:34] <Loetmichel> but on same acceleration
[14:20:04] <k6mle-CNC> so you only backed off on the velocity for Z?
[14:20:11] <Loetmichel> had to
[14:20:21] <k6mle-CNC> makes sense ...
[14:20:28] <Loetmichel> because it got stuck if i drove faster (up)
[14:21:01] <Loetmichel> i backed up far down
[14:21:13] <Loetmichel> the 50mm/30mm was the fastest speed i got
[14:21:23] <Loetmichel> i dialed it down for reliability
[14:21:33] <Loetmichel> cant really remember how far, though
[14:21:46] <k6mle-CNC> well ... I suppose I could start making small adjustments in my Z (from the current X settings) and see how I can improve the Z movement ...
[14:21:49] <Loetmichel> i can start my cnc pc and look, though
[14:21:57] <Loetmichel> if you want me to
[14:22:13] <k6mle-CNC> I've never been one to turn away help!! :)
[14:22:18] <Loetmichel> didnt you use the stepgen wizard?
[14:22:28] <Loetmichel> just a moment
[14:22:34] <Loetmichel> have to start the machine
[14:23:08] <k6mle-CNC> I was using that before I got the 5i25 ... then went with the pncconf wizard to get where I am now .
[14:30:49] <Loetmichel> k6mle-CNC: http://pastebin.com/WPPktXaG <- thats in mm, not inch!
[14:31:52] <k6mle-CNC> Okay ... I see you did back it off a bit ...
[14:32:20] <Loetmichel> http://pastebin.com/Ln1ZmA6A
[14:32:26] <Loetmichel> the .hal
[14:33:08] <k6mle-CNC> I don't see a STEPGEN_MAXVEL
[14:34:01] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[14:36:07] <Loetmichel> no idea
[14:36:31] <Loetmichel> seems stepconf wizard doesnt generate tat
[14:36:33] <Loetmichel> that
[14:36:56] <k6mle-CNC> it appears you only needed to back off the MAX_VELOCITY by 5 from the Y axis, to have it play nicely!
[14:37:10] <Loetmichel> right
[14:37:18] <k6mle-CNC> ah ... you're not using a 5i25?
[14:37:32] <Loetmichel> <- lptportguy ;-)
[14:37:44] <k6mle-CNC> got it ...
[14:38:15] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12808 <- whole electronics
[14:38:15] <k6mle-CNC> pncconf is required for the 5i25 ...
[14:38:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12265 <- cnc PC
[14:38:53] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12247
[14:38:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12250
[14:39:27] <Loetmichel> (was a bit messy to press that core2 duo industrial board into that old 80286 pizzabox ;-)
[14:39:42] <k6mle-CNC> That looks more complicated than this setup!
[14:40:15] <Loetmichel> ... and has a certain "howl" to it because of the u1 psu
[14:40:24] <k6mle-CNC> 80286 ... now there's some hardware!! :)
[14:41:03] <Loetmichel> its just the enclosure of a 80286
[14:41:28] <k6mle-CNC> Am I correct in assuming the changes required are only in the INI and only having to do with velocity?
[14:41:33] <Loetmichel> because as you can see here i have no room to spare under the mill: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
[14:41:47] <Loetmichel> for me: yes
[14:42:25] <k6mle-CNC> I see your space appears cramped!
[14:42:35] <Loetmichel> ... a bit
[14:42:50] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=9033&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
[14:42:52] <k6mle-CNC> I don't have that problem, luckily!
[14:42:52] <Loetmichel> :-)
[14:42:59] <Loetmichel> <- messy guy
[14:43:38] <k6mle-CNC> That's what my wife says about my 'hobby' room in my downstairs!
[14:44:16] <Loetmichel> show her that pic and she will agree that you are not SO bad at all ;)
[14:44:18] <k6mle-CNC> I do manage to pack a lot of stuff into 800 square feet!
[14:44:49] <Loetmichel> i have 130 sq ft
[14:44:53] <Loetmichel> thats all
[14:45:10] <k6mle-CNC> I have two model railroad layouts (one for my grandson), a ham radio bench, 5 computers and an electronics bench ...
[14:45:29] <Loetmichel> you have seen my entire workshop
[14:45:33] <k6mle-CNC> she calls it my 'dungeon'!
[14:45:38] <Loetmichel> in the panorama above
[14:46:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14853 <- the "workstation/gaming corner"
[14:46:44] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2877 <- te electrnics workbench
[14:47:17] <k6mle-CNC> my wife should NOT complain!!
[14:47:35] <k6mle-CNC> at least I'm not our in the bars!
[14:47:40] <k6mle-CNC> out
[14:47:40] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12727 <- a bit more cleaned up desk
[14:48:36] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=144 and in the middle of the room inderneath al that crap is a workbench/table somewhere ;-)
[14:48:40] <k6mle-CNC> Looks like a productive place!!
[14:49:09] <k6mle-CNC> PCB manufacture?
[14:49:22] <Loetmichel> yeak, made some pcbs fro a friend
[14:49:24] <Loetmichel> for
[14:49:53] <k6mle-CNC> I used to do that, but now just send away and have it done ... it forces me to be more exact!
[14:50:27] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=146 <- some letter(paper) sized pcb for a tube amplifier
[14:51:18] <k6mle-CNC> my next project is an add-on for the Raspberry Pi ... expanding my weather station ...
[14:51:22] <Loetmichel> now i mill the pcbs i need
[14:51:43] <k6mle-CNC> must use a pretty small bit?
[14:51:44] <Loetmichel> or i send them to the pcb company if i need more than one of the same
[14:52:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14507 <- quite small
[14:52:22] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg
[14:52:35] <Loetmichel> ah, you cant see youtube on that machine, can you?
[14:53:46] <k6mle-CNC> no ... need flash installed here, but been too busy with the stepper problems!
[14:53:53] <k6mle-CNC> I use these folks: http://www.expresspcb.com/
[14:54:14] <Loetmichel> i can do the PCBs i need on company account
[14:54:25] <Loetmichel> at a local pcb fab
[14:55:12] <Loetmichel> ah, you are in california?
[14:55:40] <k6mle-CNC> yes ... if you google my call (K6MLE) you should find my weather station data ...
[14:56:10] <Loetmichel> i did
[14:56:17] <Loetmichel> thats why i know it ;-)
[14:57:00] <Loetmichel> <- germany, near frankfurt am main
[14:57:36] <Loetmichel> so no "i'll visit you and sort that problem out for you", sorry
[14:57:57] <k6mle-CNC> Ah ... only visited Germany once, while on business ... went to the Cebit expo at Hanover
[14:58:16] <k6mle-CNC> Ha!
[14:59:55] <k6mle-CNC> I should go grab some lunch soon ... I suppose I'll continue to play with the accel and velocity numbers on the Z ...
[15:00:15] <Loetmichel> i mean: if you happen to have a personal b2 bomber yu can pick me up and i will be glad to help you in person ;-)
[15:00:28] <k6mle-CNC> if only!
[15:00:53] <Loetmichel> concorde would do, also ;-)
[15:01:05] <k6mle-CNC> I think the closest people to me on this chat are probably at Gecko ...
[15:01:28] <k6mle-CNC> That's a 1.5 hour flight ...
[15:02:11] <Loetmichel> so its "around the corner"
[15:02:40] <Loetmichel> ... i managed to visit a friend 200km away by car... just to grab a beer with him.
[15:02:51] <Loetmichel> one, because i had to drive back
[15:02:53] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:03:08] <k6mle-CNC> that's quite a way to travel for a beer!
[15:03:26] <Loetmichel> in germany: its about 1.5 hours one way
[15:03:48] <Loetmichel> you can do it in less but would overstep speed limits then ;)
[15:03:53] <k6mle-CNC> I prefer just a walk to the cooler, except you miss the friendly chat !
[15:04:10] <Loetmichel> right
[15:04:26] <k6mle-CNC> I'm about 2 hours from San Francisco (to my work) ... 3 hours to my house ...
[15:04:50] <Loetmichel> had to "floor it" on the car anyways so the diesel filter can burn clear
[15:04:59] <Loetmichel> i do too much city traffic with it
[15:05:13] <Loetmichel> exhaust particle filter
[15:05:53] <k6mle-CNC> a little fast driving to clean out the 'pipes' ...
[15:06:37] <Loetmichel> and i like driving around at night on empty autobahns with 130 mph logged into the cruise control ;-)
[15:07:07] <k6mle-CNC> can't get away with that in very many places here !
[15:07:17] <Loetmichel> its allowed here
[15:07:36] <Loetmichel> on certain strips of autobahn, not everywhere
[15:07:41] <Loetmichel> but still.. ;-)
[15:07:44] <k6mle-CNC> Ah ...
[15:08:10] <k6mle-CNC> we call that "flying low" ... :)
[15:08:17] <Loetmichel> we too
[15:08:18] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:08:31] <Loetmichel> we call it "flightlevel zero"
[15:08:45] <k6mle-CNC> heh
[15:09:12] <Loetmichel> my wife drives a brandnew BMW x1
[15:09:27] <k6mle-CNC> i have a Prius!
[15:09:36] <Loetmichel> which easily reaches 150mph ...
[15:09:42] <ssi> k6mle-CNC: of course you do ;)
[15:09:46] <k6mle-CNC> and a pickup to pull our trailer ...
[15:10:29] <Loetmichel> she once picked up her american boss from the airport and drove him to the german company...
[15:10:30] <k6mle-CNC> The Prius would need a tail-wind and a long down-hill to get even close to those speeds!
[15:11:03] <Loetmichel> so they were on the autobahn... and he said "german autobahn, i heard of that... so show me what that little car can do!"
[15:11:07] <k6mle-CNC> did the boss need to change his pants?
[15:11:09] <Loetmichel> ... so she floored it.
[15:12:03] <Loetmichel> half an hour drive at 150mph later (in thick traffic) she looks right to see her boss sitting there both hands on the overhead handle and white as a bedheet ;-)
[15:12:18] <Loetmichel> ... biting his lips not to scream ;-)
[15:12:29] <k6mle-CNC> That will teach him to ask such silly questions!
[15:12:54] <Loetmichel> she didnt notice it... its her normal modus operandi in a car ;-)
[15:13:43] <k6mle-CNC> Lucky, he didn't stain the passenger seat!
[15:13:56] <Loetmichel> luckily ;-)
[15:14:49] <Loetmichel> one has to say: 150mph in that little car feels MUCH faster than the 130mph my bigger Omega does
[15:15:11] <Loetmichel> because of the short wheelbase and hard springs
[15:15:25] <k6mle-CNC> Might have to do with being closer to the ground ...
[15:15:25] <Loetmichel> s/springs/dampeners
[15:15:44] <Loetmichel> no, its higher up
[15:15:51] <Loetmichel> the X1 is a mini suv
[15:16:23] <k6mle-CNC> you should get a CD of jet sounds to play for visiting guests who want a ride!
[15:16:59] <Loetmichel> no need for that
[15:17:11] <Loetmichel> german guests know that feeling
[15:17:28] <k6mle-CNC> I was thinking of the guests from across the pond ...
[15:17:29] <Loetmichel> because they are used to "fast" driving
[15:17:50] <Loetmichel> that happens only every so foten
[15:17:52] <Loetmichel> often
[15:18:33] <Loetmichel> i have to say: chatting with a laptop at 100++mph is a BIT unsafe...
[15:18:38] <Loetmichel> been there, done that
[15:18:43] <Loetmichel> ... as the driver ;-)
[15:18:48] <k6mle-CNC> yikes!
[15:19:15] <k6mle-CNC> I'm going to go grab lunch ... thanks for the info and help ...
[15:19:22] <Loetmichel> wouldnt do that again ;-)
[15:19:26] <Loetmichel> no problem
[15:19:36] <Loetmichel> tell me if you have found the problem
[15:20:03] <k6mle-CNC> I will keep you updated ... most likely will just play with accel and velocity numbers ...
[15:24:03] <Deejay> re
[15:37:29] <Deejay> gn8
[16:07:24] <ssi> k, did a line test to find best focus height
[16:07:33] <ssi> working on a feedrate test for 0.093 acrylic now
[16:36:24] <tjtr33> Loetmichel, thats funny, i just googled my own nick ( like you googled k6mle-CNC )
[16:36:30] <tjtr33> i got several pages, and a google image sheet fulla stuff i never seen before. but since its on the interweb its gotta be true.
[16:37:55] <Loetmichel> jour nick is a ham callsigb?
[16:38:02] <Loetmichel> -b+n
[16:38:27] <tjtr33> nope, just wondered what the result would be
[16:39:11] <Loetmichel> i recognized his nick as a ham callsing. and because i know there is a worldwiede database about ham callsigns it was only logical to search for him
[16:39:36] <tjtr33> ah
[16:49:37] <ssi> I seem to have dorked up my alignment
[16:52:33] <JT-Shop> I hate when that happens
[16:52:46] <ssi> yeah
[16:52:54] <ssi> especially since aligning a laser is sort of a chore :)
[17:03:50] <JT-Shop> what do you have to align the mirror or something?
[17:13:34] <PetefromTn_> nickserv.identify natalie
[17:13:40] <PetefromTn_> damn
[17:13:41] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[17:14:02] <PetefromTn_> msg.nickserv.identify natalie
[17:14:02] <t12_> lol
[17:14:10] <t12> double lol
[17:14:11] <PetefromTn_> whaddahell
[17:14:23] <PetefromTn_> jeez I sux at this
[17:14:34] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[17:14:50] <PetefromTn_> now I gotta change my password somehow sigh
[17:15:16] <kfoltman> IRC and phone doesn't mix
[17:16:01] <PetefromTn_> you can say that again LOL
[17:16:27] <PetefromTn_> how do you change your password anybody know?
[17:18:49] <tjtr33> "This tutorial is specifically for the freenode IRC network" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC/Tutorial
[17:19:49] <ssi> JT-Shop: yeah the mirrors have to be aligned so that the beams are dead parallel to the X and Y travel
[17:19:55] <PetefromTn_> thanks man.
[17:20:01] <ssi> JT-Shop: and then everything has to be tweaked so that the beams fall as close to the center of the mirrors as possible
[17:20:04] <ssi> etc
[17:20:06] <ssi> it's a big back and forth game
[17:20:08] <PetefromTn_> Gonna read thru here so far don't see how to change password
[17:20:31] <tjtr33> err "you must join #freenode and ask an operator to send you a reset password email."
[17:23:48] <JT-Shop> sounds like as much fun as working on a crawler
[17:25:05] <ssi> :)
[17:25:13] <ssi> probably more fun than that because lazerbeemz
[17:43:30] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 Hey thanks man I think I just got my nick registered and my password changed. Appreciate the assistance.
[17:43:55] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, /msg nickserv register <password>
[17:44:10] <PetefromTn_> yup just did that thanks Tom
[17:44:36] <Tom_itx> what's the new one?
[17:44:39] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[17:44:43] <PetefromTn_> Smartass..
[17:45:10] <PetefromTn_> I am sorry I am such a newb with this stuff.
[17:45:23] <PetefromTn_> I just have never really used IRC before coming here.
[17:46:04] <PetefromTn_> Now I gotta figure out how to do it so my phone works too LOL
[17:58:56] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, np, needed help myself quite a few times
[17:59:42] <PetefromTn_> hehe I feel pretty stupid right now LOL... Oh well I am a noob even tho I am here a LOT lately.
[18:00:38] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtqlhnGIgAER5Dx.jpg:large
[18:01:58] <tjtr33> a tricky bit was that my xchat client would eat the 1st character, the slash, so my login was visible to all, nowadays i wait a bit before typing
[18:03:16] <tjtr33> ssi looks good , does it 'dogbone' a bit from acc & de-acceleration?
[18:05:38] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure what happened with mine. I have done that several times and not had any problem.
[18:05:54] <PetefromTn_> I only do it when it says that my name is not registered or whatever.
[18:06:00] <PetefromTn_> sometimes I just ignore it.
[18:06:14] <PetefromTn_> ssi Looks cool man....er...whaddahell is it?
[18:06:15] <ssi> tjtr33: yeah... the laser spends more time there due to accel
[18:06:25] <ssi> tjtr33: plus the 'drill holes' at the ends because M3/M5 aren't motion sync'd
[18:06:39] <tjtr33> ssi, looks very nice tho
[18:06:39] <ssi> PetefromTn_: line chart... testing for best focus height
[18:06:46] <PetefromTn_> okay
[18:06:57] <PetefromTn_> did ya burn down the neighbors house yet?
[18:07:07] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[18:07:08] <ssi> a .350" jo block under the nozzle gives the thinnest line
[18:07:10] <ssi> nah, not yet
[18:07:39] <tjtr33> secret agent laser obstacle chess!
[18:09:19] <ssi> PetefromTn_: so now that I know that .350" gives the finest line, I can use that knowledge for cutting
[18:09:42] <ssi> frinstance, if I want to cut 0.093" acrylic, I can stand the nozzle off the acrylic .300", and that'll put the best focus point right about in the center of the material
[18:11:43] <PetefromTn_> cool
[18:12:02] <PetefromTn_> how much ya figure you are into this project for now if you don't mind saying?
[18:13:13] <PetefromTn_> I have seriously been considering building a heavy duty CNC router lately. There has been several folks approach me with projects I would need one for that the CNC Cincinatti is not suited for like wood and large sheet goods.
[18:13:31] <PetefromTn_> Gotta go BRB.
[18:18:01] <ssi> lol
[18:37:17] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btqt5avIEAEtZsM.jpg:large
[18:37:23] <ssi> got the feedrates dialed in
[18:37:31] <ssi> 1/4" oak plywood at 15ipm cuts well
[18:37:50] <jdh> how are teh edges?
[18:37:56] <ssi> pretty nice
[18:38:04] <jdh> crumbly charred?
[18:38:08] <jdh> or just cut?
[18:38:09] <ssi> sometimes they're not square, but I think it's more to do with the fact that the plywood I'm using is bowed like a shovel heh
[18:38:13] <ssi> just cut
[18:38:13] <ssi> and golden brown
[18:50:35] <SpeedEvil> Casper: There are a number of cheaper what wattage?
[18:50:41] <SpeedEvil> ssi: what ...
[18:50:50] <ssi> what?
[18:51:21] <JT-Shop> what?
[18:51:26] <SpeedEvil> what wattage
[18:51:29] <ssi> 40W
[18:51:52] <SpeedEvil> nitrogen or air assist?
[18:51:55] <ssi> air
[19:08:19] <JT-Shop> I need to tighten up the holes in a bunch of parts like this one http://www.gnipsel.com/images/JD350/6-way_lever-01.jpg
[19:09:10] <JT-Shop> welding has been suggested on the crawler forum... any ideas?
[19:09:54] <PetefromTn_> looks cast..
[19:13:35] <cpresser> inserts
[19:14:05] <cpresser> drill em out, and put a bushing in
[19:14:18] <cpresser> at least i think bushing is te correct word... neet do check a dictionary..
[19:15:02] <XXCoder1> ssi: woooo
[19:15:05] <XXCoder1> look nice!
[19:16:05] <JT-Shop> I was thinking about pressing in bushings with locktite
[19:16:35] <JT-Shop> I'm concerned about the wall thickness or lack of
[19:17:07] <cpresser> thickness of what?
[19:17:43] <JT-Shop> the bushing, if i use 3/8" OD bushings the wall would only be 0.03125" thick
[19:17:52] <syyl_> hmm
[19:18:00] <syyl_> braze and rebore
[19:18:36] <JT-Shop> I'm sure the parts are forged steel not cast
[19:18:44] <JT-Shop> so welding is an option
[19:18:55] <PetefromTn_> Maybe I would recommend using a tapered reamer and using tapered bushings to maintain positions etc.
[19:19:58] <JT-Shop> it's a the control linkage for a 6-way dozer blade
[19:31:33] <JT-Shop> holding the parts will be fun
[19:32:07] <syyl_> clamp on the lower machined bosses against an angle plate?
[19:32:13] <syyl_> and support it with a few jacks
[19:32:21] <syyl_> love such parts :D
[19:33:04] <JT-Shop> yea, it will be a challenge for sure
[19:33:16] <syyl_> ;)
[19:33:53] <JT-Shop> this one is much worse than my 310A backhoe wobble sticks
[19:34:25] <JT-Shop> this one controls 3 two way valves so the linkage is crazy
[19:37:11] <SpeedEvil> Drill and ream an appropriate hole, add a bushing to size
[19:37:26] <SpeedEvil> If 3/8 is too large, then go smaller
[19:37:54] <SpeedEvil> you can make bushings out of bearing bronze
[19:38:22] <SpeedEvil> Or, just fill the holes with weld, then drill out
[19:38:56] <JT-Shop> I think I'll weld them, that worked on the backhoe
[19:42:39] <ssi> XXCoder1: :)
[19:43:29] <XXCoder1> plan to make "dont look at laser with remaining eye" sign? lol
[19:43:33] <ssi> maybe!
[19:43:35] <ssi> I dunno yet
[19:43:36] <ssi> heheh
[19:43:42] <XXCoder1> other idea for your laser use
[19:43:55] <XXCoder1> easy to make sheet cutouts to spray paint artworks lol
[19:43:58] <ssi> I think right now I'm gonna design and cut a top panel for the machine for a power meter and some buttons and switche
[19:45:10] <ssi> I wish I knew where my spare estop button was
[19:48:12] <XXCoder1> cool
[19:51:23] <XXCoder1> amazon now sells glue gun stuff
[19:51:25] <XXCoder1> lemme get link
[19:51:31] <XXCoder1> http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=8323871011
[20:10:16] <koss> hrmm
[20:10:17] <koss> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00H7VEU0G/fpv-20/
[20:10:19] <koss> seems cheap
[20:10:41] <XXCoder1> BADS reviews too
[20:14:37] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[20:14:49] <SpeedEvil> 'My understanding is that the cartridges are chipped and thus are proprietary. UPDATE: yes, there is a chip. The standard cartridge is loaded with at least 600 grams of material. I do have a new cartridge now but not yet the printer. However, I believe the chip will keep track of filament used and expire when 600g is.
[20:17:04] <koss> ahh they're trying to make $ on filament
[20:17:06] <koss> inkjet style
[20:20:10] <SpeedEvil> No reason you can't just gut it even
[20:21:17] <SpeedEvil> hah
[20:21:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00H7VEU0G/fpv-20/ + free shipping. Or http://www.amazon.co.uk/XYZprinting-Vinci-1-0-3D-Printer/dp/B00H7VEU0G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406595737&sr=8-1&keywords=da+vinci+printer + free shipping
[20:22:03] <SpeedEvil> I suspect they've fucked that up
[20:22:22] <SpeedEvil> 'This item ships to Dundee, United Kingdom. Want it Thursday, July 31? Order within 20 hrs 11 mins and choose AmazonGlobal Priority Shipping at checkout
[20:23:02] <toastyde1th> WHERES MY FUCKING OCULUS RIFT
[20:23:05] <toastyde1th> WHY ISNT IT WEDNESDAY
[20:23:16] <toastyde1th> Today is going to be a busy week
[20:23:25] <toastyde1th> rift wednesday, date thursday, funeral friday
[20:23:38] <koss> Sorry, we can't deliver this item to the United States
[20:23:45] <koss> darn i can't buy it for like 1.5x+ the price
[20:33:26] <CaptHindsight> anyone ever notice a stepper driver or motor go bad where it is easier to turn it by hand when powered in one direction vs the other without any load on the shaft?
[20:35:50] <fenugrec> hmmf why does the DRO in AXIS not show the "corrected" position (i.e. referenced to G55)... I'm only seeing machine coords
[20:36:47] <fenugrec> "G10 L20 P2 X0 Z0"; "G55"; "G0 X0 Z0" (the axes don't move when I do this, confirming I set the coord system correctly)
[20:37:57] <fenugrec> Ah jeebus "View... Show relative position". Good job
[20:38:56] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/07/28/uncia-dlp-3d-printer-set-hit-indiegogo-priced-299/ $299 is minus the projector
[21:09:38] <PetefromTn_> Well just got finished mowing the lawn. Looks great....
[21:09:46] <XXCoder1> fancy.
[21:09:58] <XXCoder1> If I ever own a house, first thing I would do is kill most grass
[21:10:06] <PetefromTn_> Note to self.....next time you go to mow the lawn remember to pick up the dogs chain before you do it. Works better that way....
[21:10:26] <XXCoder1> plow it under, set nice concerete surface, leave smallish nice grass circle patch
[21:10:27] <PetefromTn_> I bet those missing links are in the next county by now.
[21:10:47] <XXCoder1> one orbited and landed on moon. congats. lol
[21:10:48] <PetefromTn_> It sure must be my day to be a DUMBASS!
[21:11:08] <PetefromTn_> I mean it is one stupid move after another today over here.
[21:11:26] <PetefromTn_> I am glad that I did not get time to run the CNC today who knows whaddahell might have happened LOL
[21:11:54] <XXCoder1> probably sent drill bit to other side of world lol
[21:12:36] <XXCoder1> talking about cnc, I finally moved from mecnical assembly to cnc machine position. woot!
[21:12:42] <XXCoder1> it was hella fun
[21:12:44] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah and I started mowing a little too late too. I like to mow just as it starts getting dark because it is not too hot out. Well it was JUST a little darker than I realized when I started so when I ran over that dog chain I am sure my neighbors really enjoyed that amazingly loud racket they must certainly have heard loud and clear.
[21:13:08] <XXCoder1> dog chain heard clear around world? ;)
[21:13:27] <PetefromTn_> What a moron! I mean honestly LOL
[21:13:37] <XXCoder1> :)
[21:14:06] <XXCoder1> there has been days I am like that. only things I did correctly was only out of habit lol
[21:14:43] <PetefromTn_> I did get to drive my new to me Bronco around all afternoon today. That made me smile. I am trying to pick out a reasonably priced CD/USB/Bluetooth/FM receiver for it right now.
[21:14:58] <CaptHindsight> night mowing, is the moon out?
[21:15:11] <PetefromTn_> something nice and new yet not crazy priced.
[21:15:12] <XXCoder1> capt might explain his crazyness lol
[21:15:32] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man I love mowing in the evening beats the hell outta sweating my arse off during the afternoon.
[21:15:38] <XXCoder1> heh I like my TARDIS colored soccer mom van so far lol
[21:15:50] <PetefromTn_> tardis?
[21:15:52] <XXCoder1> I'm bit tempted to paint POLICE on it
[21:16:01] <XXCoder1> and add glowing light on top
[21:16:02] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I love Vans... respect the van man!!
[21:16:29] <XXCoder1> yeah but nissian quest? it screams soccer mom so hard I actually heard it. ;)
[21:17:35] <XXCoder1> oh this is TARDIS http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tardis-doctor-who.jpg
[21:17:42] <PetefromTn_> try to think of it as kinda a domestic limousine.
[21:17:43] <XXCoder1> my van is almost exactly that color
[21:17:50] <XXCoder1> it IS confortable
[21:18:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah I just found that out thank you.
[21:18:12] <PetefromTn_> Way comfortable.
[21:18:27] <XXCoder1> middle row of chairs not so confortable lol
[21:18:32] <PetefromTn_> and responsible, reliable, useful, chicks dig that kinda stuff ROLLEYES
[21:18:51] <XXCoder1> no thanks I'm not interested in cross-species sex
[21:19:03] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[21:19:10] <XXCoder1> chicks and chickens lol
[21:19:32] <PetefromTn_> speechless.
[21:20:04] <XXCoder1> it IS orginial meaning of "chicks"
[21:20:40] <PetefromTn_> I need to be a LOT more productive tomorrow on this CNC stuff.
[21:20:48] <PetefromTn_> Had way too much running around to do here today.
[21:21:01] <XXCoder1> yeah? what ya making if not top secret lol
[21:21:32] <PetefromTn_> working on several projects. making the changes to the prototype discussed with customer after I showed him the first iteration.
[21:21:50] <PetefromTn_> Working on a couple more custom scope risers like the other ones I made but for different rifles.
[21:22:19] <PetefromTn_> Working on some engraving stuff for the same customer with prototype but for a different project.
[21:22:43] <PetefromTn_> Also doing some preliminary work on ANOTHER project from the same customer that he just gave me the details on last week.
[21:23:10] <Tom_itx> better hire a project scheduler
[21:23:11] <PetefromTn_> Nothing earth shattering here but it is something. Better than the copious amounts of NOTHING I was into previously.
[21:23:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah right LOL
[21:23:39] <XXCoder1> heh
[21:23:43] <PetefromTn_> you are lookin' at him.
[21:24:03] <PetefromTn_> I can do it all man.... just ask me LOL........NOT!
[21:24:45] <XXCoder1> you can do everything man
[21:24:54] <PetefromTn_> Now I gotta figure out how to replace that chain for my siberian Husky so my wife does not freak out when she goes to take him out in the morning LOL.
[21:24:57] <XXCoder1> including send me good 8020 type cnc router for free lol
[21:25:11] <XXCoder1> just reattach remaining parts lol
[21:25:19] <XXCoder1> just say its always like that lol
[21:25:21] <PetefromTn_> I am seriously considering building a heavy duty CNC router here.
[21:25:57] <PetefromTn_> I have had lots of folks approach me about things that are either not possible or not practical to make on the Cincinatti.
[21:26:11] <PetefromTn_> Things that would be a piece of crumb cake on a nice CNC router.
[21:26:20] <XXCoder1> I'm building cnc router too. not very heavy duty though. barely can cut alum is my guess
[21:27:20] <PetefromTn_> I was going to use some of the large funky profile rails they use for racks for plywood at home depot kinda stuff a friend has laying around for the perimeter rails. Not sure how good or bad that would be.
[21:28:13] <PetefromTn_> I had one piece here and I wound up cutting it into pieces and fabricating a custom rear bumper for my daughters Suzuki Samurai Rock Crawler we built for her. It seemed like decent steel and the profile was kinda L shaped.
[21:28:37] <XXCoder1> well you has a mill correct?
[21:28:48] <XXCoder1> you can EASILY make heavy steel rail plate
[21:28:49] <PetefromTn_> thats the problem with steel around the shop. If it lays around too long it gets cut up and tig welded into something else.
[21:28:55] <PetefromTn_> sure.
[21:28:58] <XXCoder1> and alum bearing blocks for gantry
[21:29:21] <XXCoder1> its lot easier when you has a cnc to make another cnc.
[21:29:31] <PetefromTn_> I really like that damn Mechmate machine. I swear I am gonna build one just as soon as I find a good reason and some money for it.
[21:29:37] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah.
[21:29:43] <XXCoder1> hold on though
[21:29:50] <XXCoder1> whats your budget like? and size needs?
[21:30:17] <PetefromTn_> I used an RF31 round column mill to CNC my RF45 and then sold the round column once it was up and running. Made things a LOT easier.
[21:30:59] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man. I always figured if I was gonna build one it would HAVE to be a 4x8 at least or I would kick my own ass every time I had someone who wanted me to do a whole sheet of something.
[21:31:02] <XXCoder1> would 2'x3' be sufficent? I has machine in mind, its strong enough to mill any alum
[21:31:18] <XXCoder1> ah so its not.
[21:31:21] <PetefromTn_> naah
[21:31:28] <PetefromTn_> my mill can almost do that big.
[21:31:53] <XXCoder1> well bunch of 8020s you can easily build 4x8 ft one
[21:32:04] <XXCoder1> you remember ssi's laser tablke
[21:32:12] <PetefromTn_> I figure if I am going to go thru all the trouble to build one might as well bite the bullet and go big.
[21:32:16] <XXCoder1> make it pretty lot more beefy and its plenty rigid
[21:32:45] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty sure I would built it entirely from steel.
[21:32:59] <PetefromTn_> I can get real good prices locally for structural steel.
[21:33:04] <XXCoder1> that'd be tough enough to mill steel if properly structured
[21:33:21] <XXCoder1> you could use alum for additional strength to lower price though
[21:33:27] <PetefromTn_> I would be real happy if it would cut aluminum without chattering to hell and back.
[21:34:20] <PetefromTn_> There is a guy selling a large commercial older CNC router table locally that has a blown control and is missing a bunch of parts. If his price was just a little better it would already be in my shop.
[21:34:58] <PetefromTn_> I really like the mechmate design with the tall sides and flat wide gantry.
[21:35:09] <PetefromTn_> It just seems like it would work very well to me for some reason.
[21:35:33] <XXCoder1> if youre building I'd recommand plenty of space long side wise
[21:35:45] <PetefromTn_> I am still working on my damn kitchen remodel right now so every weekend we have off I am cluttering up the shop with wood and paint stuff.
[21:35:47] <XXCoder1> so gantry can be nice and wide and STILL can point tool at all points along 8 feet
[21:36:04] <XXCoder1> add few inches so you can use very wide tool all way to edge too
[21:36:22] <XXCoder1> in case you need strange case of faceoff on entire 4x8 lol
[21:36:31] <PetefromTn_> I think once I get that finished and assuming we have not sold our house I will probably take a ride into Knoxville for a bunch of steel.
[21:36:50] <XXCoder1> man bit envious I'm quite poor lol
[21:36:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah of course I would want it to be able to reach all around a full sheet.
[21:36:59] <XXCoder1> so poor I'm scvanging wood for my cnc lol
[21:37:05] <PetefromTn_> LOL SO AM I MAN!!
[21:37:18] <PetefromTn_> whadda hell do you think I am rich ?
[21:37:19] <XXCoder1> you can afford steel. not poor to me LOL
[21:37:29] <XXCoder1> not rich just not poor ;)
[21:37:34] <PetefromTn_> If I was I would just buy a damn CNC router instead of building one.
[21:37:47] <PetefromTn_> steel is actually not all that expensive really.
[21:37:54] <PetefromTn_> comparatively speaking.
[21:38:41] <PetefromTn_> I just build a guy a complete set of heavy duty ramps for a trailer in the shop. they were like 50 inches long and 24 inches wide each and had lots of crossbeams so he could load his large farm tractor on it.
[21:39:00] <PetefromTn_> The total cost of all the steel was only like $125.00 or so.
[21:39:15] <PetefromTn_> it was all quarter inch too.
[21:39:25] <XXCoder1> interesting. a good long 96 inch 3030 beam 8020 say is $149
[21:39:49] <XXCoder1> thats 8 foot
[21:40:22] <PetefromTn_> if you can keep the steel straight along its length with cross bars and triangulation you can do it with channel or square tube or even angle pretty easily.
[21:40:53] <XXCoder1> interesting
[21:41:01] <PetefromTn_> I think the 20 foot piece of 2.5x2.5 inch quarter inch thick angle was like $40,00 or so?
[21:41:04] <XXCoder1> you probably can even use some 8020 for ease of build
[21:41:18] <XXCoder1> with steel for flat sheets
[21:41:18] <PetefromTn_> honestly I don't see the point.
[21:41:42] <PetefromTn_> if you look at commercial routers there is almost ZERO of that stuff in them.
[21:41:51] <XXCoder1> yeah
[21:41:52] <PetefromTn_> They are almost strictly made from steel weldments
[21:41:56] <XXCoder1> but then easier for me to build
[21:42:05] <XXCoder1> thats why my next cnc is 8020 unfortunately
[21:42:31] <PetefromTn_> sure if you cannot weld or don't want to deal with grinding etc.
[21:42:57] <PetefromTn_> I am amazed at what some of these guys making CNC routers from completely MDF are able to accomplish.
[21:43:11] <XXCoder1> indeed
[21:43:20] <XXCoder1> my router isnt that fancy lol
[21:43:23] <PetefromTn_> Some of them are quite capable and rigid amazingly
[21:43:35] <XXCoder1> did you see my cnc plans?
[21:43:47] <XXCoder1> from what I see, it is very rigid for wood
[21:43:51] <PetefromTn_> probably but I do not remember what I did yesterday.
[21:44:01] <XXCoder1> needs modifcation though since nbo room for motors lol
[21:44:04] <XXCoder1> a sec
[21:44:38] <XXCoder1> https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/l/t1.0-9/p180x540/10437426_459546047523637_2716155928263852566_n.png?oh=e0c4cf5a63df70ddf1792cb9c1488752&oe=544A5F74
[21:44:50] <XXCoder1> wrong image but nice closeup anyway
[21:45:05] <XXCoder1> https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/p320x320/10427235_456337351177840_1505210135140562994_n.png
[21:45:20] <XXCoder1> revisied it since then, router is now proper sized and bit smaller
[21:45:39] <PetefromTn_> interesting.
[21:45:53] <PetefromTn_> moving gantry
[21:45:59] <XXCoder1> dont get it wrong, it is TINY lol
[21:46:11] <XXCoder1> 2 1/2 ft is longest distance
[21:46:17] <XXCoder1> its foot and half tall
[21:46:28] <PetefromTn_> that is probably plenty for a lot of stuff.
[21:46:30] <XXCoder1> it'll be taller to fit motor in Z axis but yeah
[21:46:46] <XXCoder1> workspace is 1 1/2 feet all around and 3 inches tall
[21:47:18] <PetefromTn_> that will work for a lot of stuff and some stuff you can make in parts or sections probably.
[21:47:47] <XXCoder1> yeah its main point is ability to accurately build parts for better cnc too lol
[21:47:54] <PetefromTn_> the other thing I am kinda concerned about with having a large CNC router in the shop is noise.
[21:48:08] <PetefromTn_> I have heard many of them running and they sure make a racket.
[21:48:08] <XXCoder1> maybe try white noise of some form
[21:48:23] <PetefromTn_> even those with quality high speed spindles.
[21:48:28] <XXCoder1> then semi-soundproof your shop, enough to block most of white noise
[21:48:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have considered that.
[21:49:07] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I have done TONS of custom cabinet work in there including running large wood shapers and tablesaws and so far nobody has complained.
[21:49:55] <PetefromTn_> I try to keep a good neighborly friendliness with my locals and my closest neighbor just this afternoon brought me over a huge bag of potatoes she grew LOL
[21:50:04] <XXCoder1> nice
[21:50:20] <PetefromTn_> My neighbor on the other side has a large garden and gives my wife squashes and tomatoes and stuff every week LOL.
[21:50:31] <PetefromTn_> So I must have not pissed them off too badly LOL
[21:50:49] <XXCoder1> man wish theres some neighbor that has rharbaru growing
[21:50:53] <XXCoder1> I love those but hard to get
[21:51:09] <PetefromTn_> the one who brought me the Potatoes commented to my wife about me revving up the 351 in my Bronco the night I got it tho jokingly...
[21:52:06] <PetefromTn_> it has Flowmaster Mufflers on it and sounds kinda mean and a bit loud when you rev it up hehehe. I have been making a concerted effort to NOT rev it up too much later in the evening LOL
[21:52:27] <PetefromTn_> It is not easy for me tho I have a weakness here.
[21:52:31] <XXCoder1> lol
[21:52:35] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:52:52] <PetefromTn_> jeez man are we the only people on this whole damn channel?
[21:52:57] <XXCoder1> guess so
[21:53:04] <toastyde1th> NOW IM HERE BITCHES
[21:53:06] <toastyde1th> cough
[21:53:07] <toastyde1th> i mean
[21:53:07] <Tom_itx> are you a redneck?
[21:53:08] <toastyde1th> hello
[21:53:16] <PetefromTn_> wazzup bitches!!
[21:53:25] <PetefromTn_> who?
[21:54:10] <Tom_itx> did you see the topgear episode where they went to the deep south and pissed em off?
[21:54:22] <PetefromTn_> you mean the one in Florida?
[21:54:39] <PetefromTn_> Those guys crack me up!
[21:54:49] <PetefromTn_> I love Clarkson he is so funny.
[21:54:49] <Tom_itx> i think
[21:54:54] <Tom_itx> but it was in carolina
[21:55:03] <Tom_itx> he can be a dick
[21:55:06] <PetefromTn_> He does have a bit of a thing for americans tho LOL
[21:55:19] <PetefromTn_> that is his schtick tho I think.
[21:55:26] <Tom_itx> the rednecks nearly kicked their ass
[21:55:53] <PetefromTn_> My wife thinks Richard Hammond is a cutey pie LOL
[21:56:27] <XXCoder1> I love top gear
[21:56:28] <PetefromTn_> he's probably four foot three or something.
[21:56:33] <XXCoder1> I dont really like usa version
[21:56:39] <XXCoder1> less talky and more bullshit
[21:56:40] <PetefromTn_> its okay.
[21:57:00] <PetefromTn_> they had a long road to hoe to fill those shoes man.
[21:57:13] <XXCoder1> yeah I just like brit format better
[21:57:18] <PetefromTn_> those three are just born to work together on that show.
[21:57:30] <PetefromTn_> I love the stig too...
[21:57:32] <XXCoder1> yeah they work off each other very well
[21:57:33] <XXCoder1> yep
[21:57:40] <XXCoder1> stig is untouchable
[21:57:54] <PetefromTn_> I crack up when they make him drive their pieces of shit they build.
[21:58:12] <XXCoder1> I saw him take a basic van and really take it out in town on track
[21:58:13] <PetefromTn_> I just watched the one where they made a convertible van that was funny.
[21:58:15] <XXCoder1> damn scary
[21:58:22] <XXCoder1> lol thats funny
[21:58:58] <PetefromTn_> I think one of the best ones was when they went thru the jungles of south america.
[21:58:59] <Tom_itx> watch season18 episode3
[21:59:01] <PetefromTn_> That was really cool.
[21:59:27] <XXCoder1> heh just saw one where they took 3 former supercars
[21:59:28] <PetefromTn_> Having owned and four wheeled about six different suzuki samurai's I loved it when Richard Hammond Showed up with one.
[21:59:43] <XXCoder1> list of tasks lol and damn on guy car motor actually exploded
[21:59:44] <PetefromTn_> That damn little truck kicked ass.
[21:59:57] <XXCoder1> and it has bad design flaw where brakes goes away if motor stops
[22:00:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah that was the maserati right.
[22:00:08] <XXCoder1> so he had to mark bushes lol
[22:00:24] <PetefromTn_> that old Lamborghini was sweet tho.
[22:00:39] <XXCoder1> fake ferrari lol
[22:00:42] <PetefromTn_> Honestly my wife and I watch those shows all the time.
[22:01:00] <PetefromTn_> we have this ongoing arguement about what is the most beautiful sportscar ever made.
[22:01:47] <XXCoder1> dunno, maybe that guys real tiny car lol
[22:01:48] <Tom_itx> you like sharp edges or rounded?
[22:01:57] <XXCoder1> that was funny. he actuallu drove in library
[22:02:10] <XXCoder1> and ran out of battery so he had to turn on motor lol oops
[22:02:19] <PetefromTn_> She thinks the Lamborghini Miura SV is the most beautiful and while I agree it has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made I saw that episode about the eagle X type and now I just dunno...
[22:02:33] <PetefromTn_> that was funny actually.
[22:02:40] <XXCoder1> vw special edition may be the best one if not most beautful.
[22:02:44] <XXCoder1> damn 1k hp
[22:02:53] <XXCoder1> and tranny not designed to just run one or 2 race
[22:03:23] <PetefromTn_> http://www.wallpapersexotica.com/creative-lamborghini-miura-black/
[22:03:44] <XXCoder1> looks unconfortable
[22:03:54] <PetefromTn_> http://www.carsuk.net/wp-content/gallery/eagle-e-type-speedster/eagle-e-type-speedster-1.jpg
[22:04:11] <XXCoder1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
[22:04:24] <XXCoder1> now thats nice - e type
[22:04:28] <PetefromTn_> http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/eagle-jaguar-e-type-005_100203636_l.jpg
[22:05:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah the veyron is AMAZING and a technological Triumph but is it really one of the most beautiful cars ever made?
[22:05:18] <XXCoder1> I dont really like front
[22:05:21] <XXCoder1> rest looks awesome
[22:05:24] <Tom_itx> me either
[22:05:28] <PetefromTn_> Those pipes give me a hard on..
[22:05:39] <XXCoder1> stiff pipe over pipes lol
[22:06:08] <PetefromTn_> http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/ApexOversteer/Eagle-E-Type-Speedster-4.jpg
[22:06:31] <XXCoder1> front meh but very nice neo-classical look
[22:07:18] <PetefromTn_> That car is amazing. It is completely hand crafted from the ground up.
[22:07:35] <PetefromTn_> It is built by folks who absolutely adore the classic E type.
[22:07:46] <Tom_itx> looks quite a bit like a cobra
[22:07:54] <PetefromTn_> It is stupid expensive but man it is beautiful.
[22:08:09] <PetefromTn_> I agree it kinda has some cobra lines sorta kinda.
[22:08:26] <PetefromTn_> I have seen some custom cobra kit cars that were to die for.
[22:08:33] <XXCoder1> http://www.wired.com/2009/12/boat-tail-geo-metro/
[22:08:39] <XXCoder1> ugly as fuck but good mpg
[22:08:42] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy that has an all burgundy one that attends the local cruise in.
[22:09:07] <PetefromTn_> He let me sit in it and start the motor one time.
[22:09:17] <PetefromTn_> I nearly had to be pried out of the car LOL.
[22:09:26] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:09:43] <PetefromTn_> It has a built 351 in it and DAMN does it sound good.
[22:09:51] <PetefromTn_> I am quite sure it hauls ever lovin' ass too.
[22:10:16] <PetefromTn_> He showed me the custom built suspension pieces it has. Took him like eight years to build it.
[22:10:55] <XXCoder1> even uglier, but won MPG contest http://www.treehugger.com/cars/modified-honda-crx-hf-wins-fuel-economy-competition-with-118-mpg.html
[22:11:04] <XXCoder1> 118 mpg
[22:11:08] <PetefromTn_> I would be afraid to drive the damn thing after all that work my luck some jackass on his cellphone would slam into me and destroy it.
[22:11:21] <PetefromTn_> LOL I used to have a CRX HF.
[22:11:27] <Tom_itx> like gas monkeys mustang?
[22:11:32] <PetefromTn_> Damn car was amazing on miles even with my heavy foot.
[22:11:43] <PetefromTn_> not seen it tom.
[22:11:44] <XXCoder1> heh with those shit mods 118 mpg
[22:11:51] <XXCoder1> insane
[22:12:00] <XXCoder1> thats fucking 118 miles per gallon.
[22:12:12] <XXCoder1> 10 gallons you can go across 1/3 of usa
[22:12:41] <Tom_itx> how long would it take to get there though?
[22:12:43] <PetefromTn_> not surprised at all really.
[22:13:13] <PetefromTn_> like I said my 1984 Honda CIVIC CRX HF got stupid mileage. It was not all that slow either it was kinda fun to drive.
[22:13:24] <XXCoder1> more extreme mod but LESS mpg lol http://www.treehugger.com/slideshows/cars/mike-turners-do-it-yourself-95-mpg-aerocivic/
[22:14:07] <XXCoder1> actual site http://www.aerocivic.com/
[22:14:14] <PetefromTn_> http://www.blogcdn.com/autos.aol.com/media/import/1986-crx.jpg this is exactly what my car looked like.
[22:14:18] <PetefromTn_> It was my second car.
[22:14:29] <XXCoder1> nice
[22:14:38] <XXCoder1> my second car was 1988 mecury sable
[22:14:44] <PetefromTn_> First one was a four cylinder 1983 mustang that blew a timing belt on me on the freeway and lunched the engine
[22:14:50] <XXCoder1> lx edition too, nice and powerful. 21 mpg lol
[22:15:23] <PetefromTn_> I think the mileage on the HF was like 50 or something back then.
[22:15:31] <PetefromTn_> It was actually a peppy little car.
[22:15:45] <PetefromTn_> had a nice sunroof and cool seats.
[22:15:55] <PetefromTn_> I actually kinda loved that little car.
[22:16:11] <XXCoder1> 50 mpg I'd have loved it too
[22:16:14] <XXCoder1> damn
[22:18:22] <PetefromTn_> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Honda1984.shtml Nope I was wrong...47
[22:18:31] <XXCoder1> still better lol
[22:19:43] <PetefromTn_> http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1006/gallery.top_mpg_since_1984/5.html
[22:20:57] <XXCoder1> #1 wow
[22:30:07] <PetefromTn_> wanna hear a crazy idea I had...
[22:30:14] <PetefromTn_> one of many of course.
[22:30:26] <XXCoder1> go to town with it
[22:30:44] <PetefromTn_> well lets say you want to build yourself a nice heavy duty large CNC router.
[22:31:07] <PetefromTn_> and you want to save some time and money maybe
[22:31:09] <XXCoder1> single block milled to be cnc? ;)
[22:31:14] <XXCoder1> jk
[22:31:24] <XXCoder1> would be NUTS in price
[22:31:30] <PetefromTn_> well what if you look on your local craigslist for a deal on something like this..
[22:31:46] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/for/4592127166.html
[22:31:51] <PetefromTn_> or at least something similar
[22:32:00] <PetefromTn_> you try to buy it cheap as hell.
[22:32:03] <XXCoder1> HMMM it is designed for heavy load
[22:32:19] <XXCoder1> maybe boat trailers
[22:32:19] <PetefromTn_> then you cut off all the axles and fenders and stuff and sell them to recoup some of your cost.
[22:32:48] <PetefromTn_> then you get some steel legs and either bolt or weld them on and you have a ready made essentially heavy duty frame to build off of.
[22:33:02] <XXCoder1> its actually not bad idea
[22:33:12] <XXCoder1> trailers that twist is VERY bad
[22:33:17] <PetefromTn_> Lots of these trailers are built on large jig tables so while they are not precision
[22:33:20] <XXCoder1> so they tend to be very rigid
[22:33:22] <PetefromTn_> they are probably not too terrible.
[22:33:39] <PetefromTn_> if you shop around you might even get a nice one all painted up LOL.
[22:33:53] <XXCoder1> lol if its painted its to hide rust cancer
[22:33:58] <PetefromTn_> Probably could get something for a couple hundred bucks.
[22:34:20] <PetefromTn_> especially if the thing needs work.
[22:34:36] <XXCoder1> yeah avoid accient ones though
[22:34:38] <PetefromTn_> but the frames are probably decent at least with a little angle grinder time.
[22:34:48] <PetefromTn_> anyways you get the point.
[22:35:31] <PetefromTn_> would take a BUNCH of work out of getting the basic table built and you would have a large footprint table for low cost especially after you sell off the axles and wheels and tongue and lights you will not be needing.
[22:35:51] <PetefromTn_> Then you just gotta build the rails and gantry somehow. etc etc.
[22:36:01] <XXCoder1> yeah
[22:36:14] <XXCoder1> just steel sheets and stuff. you has cnc to make those
[22:36:18] <PetefromTn_> SOME of the larger car trailers are very heavy duty frames. WAY stronger than need be for a CNC router.
[22:36:55] <XXCoder1> yeah just question of size vs cost
[22:37:46] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/grd/4591278643.html
[22:38:12] <XXCoder1> dunno on strength of that one
[22:38:20] <XXCoder1> probably bottom frame is very strong thougg
[22:38:22] <PetefromTn_> flip that over.. finish bracing the rails around the end and use the corners to brace the legs and you have a large CNC router table for pretty cheap.
[22:38:50] <XXCoder1> lol trailer sellers probably wonder why they sell well suddenly ;)
[22:38:59] <XXCoder1> now that you revealed all here
[22:39:07] <PetefromTn_> well it is just an idea.
[22:39:20] <XXCoder1> got an idea
[22:39:23] <PetefromTn_> I know I could take one and cut it all up and make something out of it.
[22:39:25] <XXCoder1> train tracks LOL
[22:39:43] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[22:39:47] <XXCoder1> so damn solid. only only can be illegally bought though :P
[22:40:35] <PetefromTn_> seriously tho the RIGHT trailer would get you 90 percent of the way to a CNC router table frame with just a little work and take away a lot of fabrication work and cutting and welding for those who are not capable.
[22:40:59] <XXCoder1> most of those would be HUGE too lol
[22:41:07] <XXCoder1> pretty far above 4x8 sheet
[22:41:12] <PetefromTn_> most even have substantial cross bars for supporting the wood floors.
[22:41:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah exactly.
[22:41:41] <PetefromTn_> you could build a large footprint router for a fraction of the cost it would take to build one from raw materials.
[22:41:59] <PetefromTn_> Even if the frame was less than ideal in some respects it would STILL save you a ton of work.
[22:45:25] <PetefromTn_> I dunno maybe it is a crazy idea. I have been known to have them LOL
[22:46:10] <XXCoder1> well it is crackpot idea but one that probably will work.
[22:46:42] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/bar/4582163595.html
[22:46:49] <PetefromTn_> see any resemblance?
[22:47:12] <XXCoder1> that probably is good for wood or alum cnc
[22:47:28] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/3731-Steel-Framed-Router
[22:47:37] <PetefromTn_> just for example
[22:47:44] <PetefromTn_> you but that for $350.00
[22:47:48] <XXCoder1> yeah
[22:47:59] <PetefromTn_> cut it all up and sell the wheels and axles and fenders and lights etc etc.
[22:48:05] <PetefromTn_> maybe recoup a hun or two.
[22:48:24] <PetefromTn_> and you are on your way to a sweet machine.
[22:49:32] <PetefromTn_> a couple cutoff wheels and maybe a grinder and a couple hours of your time and you have the basic table setup at least and probably enough material to make some other stuff for the machine.
[22:50:15] <PetefromTn_> You might even be able to use the expanded metal for something like bracing the legs or corners and use the tongue bar for one of the legs at least if not two.
[22:51:36] <PetefromTn_> Honestly the more I think about it, I would bet I could get a heavier duty one and built the base table out of it and then get some large diameter tube and make the rails for the mechmate style setup welded on top of that.
[22:52:15] <XXCoder1> maybe. I gonna go though. night :)
[22:53:00] <PetefromTn_> gnite man.
[23:15:20] <ssi> hm
[23:21:35] <XXCoder1> cant sleep till parents of kids im watching comes back. bahh
[23:23:06] <XXCoder1> ssi: did you see pete idea
[23:23:19] <XXCoder1> definitely interesting idea, large and rigid frame for cnc cheap
[23:26:47] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: duct tape kids to wall, take nap.
[23:26:54] <XXCoder1> lol
[23:27:09] <XXCoder1> definitely not a nap, I normally would start trying to sleep for 8 hours now
[23:27:37] <Jymmm> Duct tape kids to outside of front door, go to sleep.
[23:31:33] <ssi> XXCoder1: no
[23:31:43] <Jymmm> wuss
[23:38:27] <XXCoder1> lol