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[00:00:58] <ssi> https://vine.co/v/M26P0FjeqAz
[00:00:59] <ssi> weeeeee
[00:01:09] <ssi> https://vine.co/v/M26PDi1d1Z0
[00:03:08] <XXCoder> thats awesome.
[00:06:41] <ssi> I'm so happy it works :D
[00:14:09] <alexchally> ssi, plz get some laser safety glasses if you don't have some!
[00:14:27] <alexchally> not that I don't think you do
[00:14:46] <alexchally> but damn, that is sweet, and its hard to chat on IRC with no eyeballs in your eyeholes
[00:16:09] <Valen> its a frikkin lazor
[00:16:30] <Valen> lol at goggles
[00:16:47] <Valen> I do hope you are using laser goggles suitable for the wavelength involved
[00:16:47] <alexchally> or I guess you could just get 1" thick plexy goggles, it would take a long time to burn through them :D
[00:17:31] <alexchally> Valen: I work with a bunch of very high power/scary wavelength lasers... there is nothing like 15W of 105nm to make you very... cautious
[00:28:53] <ssi> I don't have co2 specific goggles yet, but that's why i was doing the tests with the plastic goggles... they do stop the direct collimated beam, and don't burn through remarkably quickly
[00:29:01] <ssi> I'm gonna order some proper co2 goggles from mcmaster tomorrow
[00:33:01] <XXCoder> good
[00:33:09] <XXCoder> blindness is SCARY ti nme
[00:34:02] <ssi> I wonder about ordering tubes from alibaba rather than ebay
[00:34:07] <ssi> seems a fair bit cheaper for the higher power tubes
[00:56:56] <Valen> aliexpres has a not too crap reputation
[01:16:08] <Loetmichel> XXCoder/ ssi: you know the sing at tha laser lab? "Protect your remaining eye!" ;-)
[01:16:19] <Loetmichel> sign
[01:18:47] <Valen> burning in the beam doesn't mean you won't get a sufficent dose through them to be an issue
[01:18:53] <Valen> wrt goggles
[01:26:39] <ssi> I'm gonna order proper goggles tomorrow, and I have plenty of motion work to do between now and then that won't involve firing the tube
[02:08:28] <Deejay> moin
[04:24:24] <pingufan> cradek: Hi, do you have a little bit of tiome for me, please? (adding .tap to "open file" browser)
[04:27:17] <pingufan> I cannot find out how to extend the search mask.
[04:43:56] <pingufan> Deejay, good morning!
[04:46:24] <pingufan> does somebody know how to extend the file browser's file extensions in AXIS? It shall also show .tap files, they are identical to .ngc, but this crazy "Cut2D" software always stores as .tap.
[05:06:32] <Deejay> moin pingufan
[05:18:49] <archivist> pingufan, find where the file open dialog is in the source and modify the filetypes list to suit you
[05:29:32] <archivist> pingufan, specifically this line or whatever it looks like now axis.py: "-filetypes", ((_("rs274ngc files"), ".ngc"),))
[05:43:37] <pingufan> archivist: I had the silent hope that such things can be preset in a config file. :) So I will run a cron job renaming the file in the background.
[05:44:21] <archivist> pingufan, it is a simple edit as that can be a list
[05:44:35] <archivist> simpler than a cron job
[05:46:58] <jdh> I use Cut2D all the time. Never had it make a .tap file
[05:47:39] <DaViruz> cut2d makes a .tap if you set the postprocessor to just gcode
[05:47:51] <DaViruz> if you set it to emc2 it makes a .ngc
[05:48:04] <jdh> much easier than changing axis
[05:48:08] <archivist> even easier!
[05:48:31] <DaViruz> though i believe you need cut2d 1.5 to get the emc2 post
[05:49:18] <jdh> I used it with 1.0. Had to download it though
[05:51:28] <DaViruz> oh
[05:52:15] <pingufan> But don't I need the whole sources of AXIS to change that?
[05:53:19] <jdh> you have it, but you don't need to change it.
[05:53:35] <jdh> use the correct cut2d postprocessor and it will default to .ngc
[05:53:43] <DaViruz> http://forum.vectric.com/viewtopic.php?p=88173&sid=a027b9a6d85d3528a1df00b0b532ca82#p88173
[05:53:51] <jdh> or use the same one you are using now, but when it prompts you for the file name, put in .ngc instead of .tap
[05:54:36] <jdh> it's not like cut2d makes the file without your assistance. You hit 'save' on the .tap file every time.
[05:56:55] <DaViruz> it's pretty simple to modifiy the cut2d post processors too, just open one in a text editor and among the first lines are FILE_EXTENSION = "tap"
[05:58:00] <pingufan> Oh, thank you!
[05:59:50] <jdh> PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .TAP Cut2D files with wrong post
[05:59:54] <jdh> or add that to your .ini file
[06:00:33] <jdh> maybe. Using the emc2 post in cut2d would be better.
[06:32:48] <pingufan> jdh: If I enter .ngc as filename in Cut2D, it makes a ".ngc.tap" filename.
[06:34:48] <jthornton> probably need to change the post processor
[06:49:31] <mutilator> hey guys, anyone know of a table vice similar to
[06:49:32] <mutilator> http://www.harborfreight.com/4-inch-jaw-capacity-drill-press-vise-30999.html
[06:49:46] <mutilator> except not quite as tall
[06:50:54] <archivist> heh that is a short one with not enough metal for hard work
[06:51:05] <mutilator> yea
[06:51:11] <mutilator> i'm looking to hold small objects
[06:51:26] <archivist> define small :)
[06:51:27] <mutilator> easier to vice it in than to clamp down
[06:52:09] <mutilator> um
[06:52:20] <mutilator> 1.5x0.5"
[06:52:48] <jthornton> that is a crummy vise and barely good for a drill press... wanna know how I know?
[06:53:02] <archivist> ah big :) I often make stuff on the end of a stick http://gears.archivist.info/gears/IMG_1214_hires.JPG
[06:53:11] <mutilator> i wasnt asking if it was a good vise
[06:53:57] <mutilator> thats tiny not small
[06:54:49] <archivist> also for plate work I clamp down a sheet
[06:55:06] <archivist> or mount on a pillar
[06:56:04] <mutilator> http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAL-Capacity-Tiny-USB-Flash-Drive-8GB-Metal-Ultra-thin-Mini-Flash-Memory-Stick-/281391446814
[06:56:07] <mutilator> i have a bunch of these
[06:57:06] <archivist> or clamp in a jig with an outer ring http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=racing
[07:13:45] <Tom_itx> pingufan, in your main .ini file add:
[07:13:48] <Tom_itx> [FILTER]
[07:13:48] <Tom_itx> PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .tap
[07:13:52] <Tom_itx> [FILTER]
[07:13:52] <Tom_itx> PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .tap
[07:13:58] <Tom_itx> woops
[07:16:55] * jthornton hears an echo
[07:17:44] <Tom_itx> was reading scrollback when i posted that and didn't realize i did it since the first one didn't appear on my screen :)
[07:18:41] <Tom_itx> either that or it's just the hills around you
[07:21:32] <jdh> pingufan: that's pretty lame.
[07:22:04] <Tom_itx> how so?
[07:22:15] <Tom_itx> i'd never heard of .ngc files until i saw linuxcnc
[07:22:19] <jdh> but, use the correct post and life is better anyway. There were/are 4 choices for EMC2. metric/imperial and arcs or segments
[07:22:26] <Tom_itx> we always used .txt extensions :)
[07:22:45] <jdh> <pingufan> jdh: If I enter .ngc as filename in Cut2D, it makes a ".ngc.tap"
[07:23:09] <Tom_itx> so it want's to default to .tap extension...
[07:23:32] <jdh> yeah, if you type in foo.ngc though it should (IMO) leave you alone.
[07:23:39] <Tom_itx> i'm sure the author had some brilliant reasoning
[07:24:13] <jthornton> OneCNC is just as annoying if you type in foo.ngc it changes it to foo.NGC
[07:24:22] <jdh> I think it is a commondialog thing. Notepad adds a .txt if you leave it on 'text files' when saving vs. 'all files'
[07:25:59] <Tom_itx> jthornton, does it take long filenames or 8.3 like dos did?
[07:26:10] <Tom_itx> that's likely a dos leftover
[07:26:22] <Tom_itx> it would default to upper case too iirc
[07:26:33] <jthornton> it uses long file names
[07:26:50] <jthornton> it's just a programmer error
[07:27:19] <jthornton> if I click on foo.ngc to save an edit it does not change the extension
[07:27:36] <Tom_itx> odd
[07:28:08] <jthornton> they are from Australia...
[07:30:50] <jthornton> for anyone that is interested I've add a bit more http://gnipsel.com/files/sfc/sfc-0.8.zip
[07:33:56] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what is that?
[07:35:54] <jthornton> machinist calculator
[07:37:47] <jthornton> been working on the drill calculator part
[07:38:44] <Tom_itx> guess i didn't realize you were working on that
[07:39:43] <Tom_itx> mill1.5.zip falls in the wrong directory :)
[07:39:45] <jthornton> I just got back to trying to get the drill feed/speed going
[07:40:33] <Tom_itx> call cleveland twist drill and i bet they'd send you a slide rule for it
[07:40:49] <Tom_itx> i've got 5-6 slide rules for various things
[07:40:55] <Tom_itx> from trade shows...
[07:42:10] <Tom_itx> l8r..
[07:42:14] <jthornton> I'd have to get my magnifier on to read a slide rule
[09:48:21] <ssi> morn
[10:09:42] <MrSunshine> any tips on what kind of router bit to use for lithophanes? i want a quite small one (ballnosed type) but i want the rigidity of a say 90 deg V bit =)
[10:14:33] <SpeedEvil> you also get blunt v ones
[10:15:59] <MrSunshine> tapered ballnose bits i guess is what im looking for =)
[10:53:26] <Einar1> jdszaz4
[10:53:27] <Einar1> 'æød
[10:53:27] <Einar1> +0984rew
[10:53:28] <Einar1> 087643wq4
[10:55:31] <archivist> you need a new password or kick the cat off the keyboard
[10:59:14] <Smidge204__> Or have your cat generate a new password
[11:04:24] <alexchally> the problem with that is that cats are notoriously poor at remembering what password they made for you
[11:14:16] <Loetmichel> soo, work done for todday... now i just have to make 11 more sets and then the printers can come in for shielding... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15065
[11:32:29] * Tom_itx wrings his shirt out
[11:32:36] <Tom_itx> must be like 80% RH here
[11:32:45] <tjtr33> hello, any suggestions for multi file text editor on windows?
[11:32:46] <Tom_itx> gonna hit 100F
[11:33:05] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, i use programmers notepad
[11:33:10] <jdh> tjtr33: notepad++
[11:33:13] <jthornton> notepad ++
[11:33:20] <tjtr33> PDE? seem to remember that, thx
[11:35:58] <jthornton> dang busted air line on the CHNC... off to town to get some new fittings
[11:36:00] <tjtr33> due to wacky windows env, will try notepad++ with 'installer' hope it doesnt trash clients sys
[11:36:25] <jdh> it's pretty benign.
[11:36:39] <jthornton> yea, I've been using it for years
[11:36:45] <jdh> does add 'edit with notepad++' to context menu if you let it.
[11:36:56] <jthornton> aye
[11:37:04] <jdh> has a nice search-all-files-in-dir too
[11:37:08] <Tom_itx> jthornton, thanks for reminding me
[11:37:19] <Tom_itx> i busted an air hose the other day too...
[11:37:26] <Tom_itx> need a new end for it
[11:37:26] <jthornton> lol
[11:37:29] <Tom_itx> :)
[11:37:36] <Tom_itx> hose went everywhere
[11:37:40] <jdh> HONEYWELL S&C WLS1A00AQBT1 LIMIT SWITCH, WIRELESS,
[11:37:51] <jthornton> this one is for my collet closer and was almost goo
[11:37:52] <tjtr33> Festo! great tubing and cnxrs
[11:38:01] <Tom_itx> coiled air line
[11:38:05] <jthornton> tough to get Festo at Menards
[11:38:09] <Tom_itx> need a new swivel fitting
[11:38:22] <Tom_itx> wonder who sells just the fittings...
[11:38:33] <jthornton> mcmaster carr
[11:38:38] <Tom_itx> local...
[11:38:51] <Tom_itx> there used to be a place but i think they may be closed now
[11:38:57] <jdh> HF
[11:39:02] <Tom_itx> meh
[11:39:06] <Tom_itx> i'll pass on them
[11:39:11] <Tom_itx> i want it to last
[11:39:36] <jdh> Lifetime Warranty!
[11:39:42] <jdh> or 6 minutes, whichever comes fist
[11:40:08] <Tom_itx> there's several industrial supplies here
[11:40:13] <Tom_itx> i'm sure grainger has em
[11:44:15] <jymmm> And vaseline too, because if you get it from grainger, you'll need it!
[11:44:24] <Tom_itx> no kidding
[11:44:36] <Tom_itx> that would be a last resort
[11:44:42] <Tom_itx> below HF even :)
[11:44:58] <jymmm> no sit, huh
[11:45:00] <jymmm> shit*
[11:45:30] <Tom_itx> there's a place over by Stuart's shop but i forget the name of it...
[11:45:52] <tjtr33> stuarts shop would have it :)
[11:46:06] <Tom_itx> yeah but those are probably in use
[11:48:12] <tjtr33> notepad++ is nice, muilti file, tabbed and folding thx!
[11:48:33] <Tom_itx> http://www.pnotepad.org/
[11:48:36] <Tom_itx> there's the other one
[11:48:38] <Tom_itx> for comparison
[11:49:01] <Tom_itx> it came with avr-gcc
[12:08:57] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/gallery/HgPPM6X
[12:08:58] <zeeshan> hah
[12:09:58] <cradek> that's pretty, but should be in conduit...?
[12:10:40] <Smidge204__> Depends on the codes, so not necessarily.
[12:10:56] <jymmm> is it rolmex?
[12:11:20] <Smidge204__> Probably
[12:11:45] <zeeshan> thats house wiring
[12:12:56] <Connor> Who the heck cables like that..
[12:13:04] <jymmm> Wht is that, a 200A main panel, then a sub panel next to it?
[12:13:06] <Smidge204__> Someone who cares
[12:13:36] <Connor> That wouldn't be easy to do.. Romex can be a b!tch to deal with..
[12:14:32] <jymmm> I don't care for the the way the ourlets are just free wired the way they are
[12:14:53] <jymmm> you know some dumbass is gonna hang something from it
[12:14:58] <Smidge204__> Meh, it's fine.
[12:15:04] <Connor> Yea. I noticed that. Kinda makes it look ugly.
[12:15:24] <jymmm> They could have used a 2 gang box for that
[12:15:28] <Connor> I would have used a Duplex box.
[12:15:31] <Connor> yea.
[12:15:51] <Smidge204__> If that little floorplan is for the building it's in, that must be a hell of a house
[12:16:15] <jymmm> I'm guessing a 1800+ sf home
[12:16:50] <jymmm> RED being 220, kitchen?
[12:17:09] <jymmm> nfc on the sub panel
[12:18:02] <Smidge204__> They're certainly not out of circuits int he main panel
[12:18:10] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtKdh2QIUAAD-n1.jpg
[12:18:15] <ssi> it's hard not to look cool in laser goggles
[12:18:26] <jymmm> Smidge204__: They must be, they added a sub-panel on the left
[12:18:57] <jymmm> ssi: Those are NOT laser goggles. They don't warp around on the sides.
[12:19:01] <jymmm> wrap*
[12:19:11] <ssi> then someone owes me a bunch of money and an explanation
[12:19:11] <Smidge204__> That looks to be a 42ckt panel. There are not 42 ckts worth fo wiers coming out of that.
[12:19:15] <ssi> because they're sold as laser goggles
[12:19:35] <jymmm> PT Barnum Lives!!!
[12:19:45] <ssi> http://www.phillips-safety.com/laser-safety/laser-safety-glasses/shop-by-laser-filters/polycarbonate-filters/co2-eximer/co2-eximer-model-808-s.html
[12:20:02] <ssi> I suppose they're lying to me tho
[12:20:10] <Smidge204__> Maybe they have a backup power source, like a generator, and have sub-paneled for standby circuits
[12:20:25] <ssi> cause jymmmmmmm the almighty is the one source of truth in the universe
[12:20:29] <Smidge204__> Or maybe they're renting out part fo the building and it's submetered
[12:20:31] <jymmm> ssi: "No sweety, size doesn't matter"
[12:20:58] <ssi> and they do wrap around on the sides, just not clear
[12:22:06] <ssi> but it's ok; I wouldn't feel at home in here without either you or the cap'm shitting on everything I do
[12:23:19] <CaptHindsight> ssi: I'd stop following my advice then
[12:23:50] <Smidge204__> Including that advice?
[12:23:51] <ssi> I don't follow your advice, fear not :)
[12:23:58] <PetefromTn_> Oh my EYES!!! LOL
[12:24:01] <Smidge204__> Paradox loop!
[12:24:04] <Deejay> re
[12:24:34] <CaptHindsight> it's from the revisionists handbook :p
[12:25:20] <PetefromTn_> I thought we was all friends in here man.. what was I thinkin'?? hehhe
[12:25:32] <ssi> we are all friends in here
[12:25:37] <ssi> some of us just moreso than others :D
[12:25:59] <PetefromTn_> yup friends that shit on everything you do of course..
[12:26:10] <ssi> I dunno about you, but most of my friends shit on everything I do
[12:26:21] <PetefromTn_> is it all shitty?
[12:26:36] <ssi> I suppose
[12:26:45] <PetefromTn_> that's some kinda shit man...
[12:26:54] <PetefromTn_> wonder what their shittin' problem is..
[12:27:05] <PetefromTn_> damn guys can't be bothered to give a shit...
[12:27:08] <Smidge204__> Maybe your friends are just full of shit
[12:27:12] <PetefromTn_> jeez I gotta take a shit..
[12:27:25] <PetefromTn_> This Popcorn kinda tastes like shit.
[12:28:10] <PetefromTn_> If I don't get this damn drawing finished and cut some parts I am gonna be in DEEP ...... KIMCHI...?
[12:28:56] <PetefromTn_> Okay it is past now I feel better.. kinda got carried away. Sorry!
[12:29:05] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[12:29:07] <ssi> glad you got it out of your system
[12:30:21] <PetefromTn_> me too man...shit I thought I lost it there for a minute.
[12:30:39] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:30:47] <PetefromTn_> Hey Ich.
[12:30:52] <kb8wmc> good day to you Ich
[12:31:54] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:32:08] <PetefromTn_> Have you ever done a big 3d model and shown it to a customer and sold the part job and then when you go to machine it realize it is NOT GONNA WORK LOL?
[12:32:48] <IchGuckLive> then you are to blame as you are constructor
[12:32:58] <PetefromTn_> but of course I am....jeez
[12:33:25] <IchGuckLive> i show and hammer it to all the students construct as yoiu will build it
[12:33:26] <PetefromTn_> now I gotta fix it without radically changing the damn model to make it work correctly.
[12:33:28] <Connor> PetefromTn_: What did you do ?
[12:33:41] <IchGuckLive> a 20mm pin does not fit a 10mm hole
[12:33:42] <CaptHindsight> customers most often ask for solutions to the corner they have painted themselves into
[12:33:54] <PetefromTn_> I am working on a custom car part for those RX7 dudes...
[12:34:04] <IchGuckLive> even worse a 10mm pin does not work in 20mm hole
[12:34:13] <PetefromTn_> I did a nice cool looking 3d model of what I want to build for them and sold the job.
[12:34:20] <archivist> upgrade so it works charge more and make it for less...profit
[12:34:39] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: ny customers would have that problem but insist that it has to work with that size difference
[12:34:41] <PetefromTn_> Now when I got home I was going over it and realized the part it holds will not fit correctly with the larger standoffs I decided to jazz it up with..
[12:35:14] <PetefromTn_> Adding more BEEF to it screwed the pooch...LOL
[12:35:16] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Well.. re-design it and let'm know. It happens.
[12:35:32] <IchGuckLive> cars can be reconfigurt its only thin steel
[12:35:47] <IchGuckLive> a simple grinder will give you lots of space
[12:35:51] <PetefromTn_> It is no big deal really I just need to widen the frame just a tad bit and there is ample room on the sides for that. Just not the front so the placement of the standoffs will be different.
[12:36:17] <Connor> They probably won't notice..
[12:36:27] <Connor> unless they have the 3D model in front of them.
[12:36:32] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I THINK the subtle changes I need to make here will not even be noticeable. They approved the drawing just looking at it and I never left them a copy so it is no big deal
[12:36:50] <PetefromTn_> Just having to back up and punt with my drawing is all. Takes some more time.
[12:36:55] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: call to needs to be adjust at mounting
[12:37:08] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: to be more accurate one would be a round 10mm hole and the other a 10mm square peg :)
[12:37:09] <IchGuckLive> and you are out
[12:37:33] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: as you say
[12:38:20] <ssi> so... my 400 step motors should be here today; I guess I should swap them before I get too deep into getting motion calibrated
[12:38:25] <PetefromTn_> It has four posts and they will just be spaced outward along the X axis about 1/16" and the bottom two will be moved outward a tad on one side. Will still look basically the same but slightly different.
[12:38:39] <Connor> ssi 400 step motors ?
[12:38:41] <ssi> yes
[12:38:56] <Connor> Wow.. that's pretty odd.
[12:38:58] <PetefromTn_> 400 Oz in?
[12:39:01] <ssi> no, 400 step
[12:39:02] <Connor> where did you find them ?
[12:39:04] <ssi> 0.9 degree
[12:39:05] <ssi> sparkfun
[12:39:26] <PetefromTn_> hopefully you will not be having any sparkling fun when you power it up LOL
[12:39:47] <Connor> ssi What it for ?
[12:39:50] <ssi> the laser
[12:39:53] <Connor> Ah.
[12:39:57] <Connor> Belt Driven ?
[12:40:00] <ssi> yeah
[12:40:08] <ssi> I'm hoping to avoid having to build belt reductions
[12:40:10] <ssi> but I might s till
[12:40:12] <Connor> any gear reduction? or 1:1
[12:40:20] <PetefromTn_> He's like freakin' Buck Rodgers down there playin' with lasers and stuff...LOL
[12:40:22] <IchGuckLive> ssi: dont you gotr room for a cheep timingbelt gearing
[12:40:32] <ssi> yeah, I could make it work
[12:40:34] <ssi> but it'll be tight
[12:40:45] <ssi> especially on the gantry car, because of the way the cable chain lays directly over the motor
[12:40:56] <IchGuckLive> laser can work at high speed engraving
[12:41:08] <ssi> yeah I'm just worried about the precision
[12:41:23] <ssi> with 200 step motors, I'm at 0.008" per full step
[12:41:27] <ssi> the 400 step motors'll halve that
[12:41:32] <IchGuckLive> and you need only a tick on the extended axis not the working its continues
[12:42:13] <IchGuckLive> drivers as simple as they are can make half stepping
[12:42:22] <IchGuckLive> and give you better speed
[12:42:54] <ssi> I think speed isn't going to be a problem
[12:42:58] <IchGuckLive> ok its your design go for it
[12:43:16] <ssi> well I mean at 1.6" per rev
[12:43:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.orientalmotor.com/products/stepper-motors/stepper-motor-only-0-36.html 0.36° Stepper Motors
[12:43:22] <ssi> it should be easy to make the thing move very fast
[12:43:42] <ssi> CaptHindsight: neat
[12:43:48] <ssi> I wish geared steppers weren't so much money
[12:44:14] <IchGuckLive> therefore hobbiest jump to 10USD tiingbelt gears
[12:44:39] <IchGuckLive> US use XL 5.08mm
[12:44:41] <ssi> it's not the cost of the gears that matters, it's the cost of the time of fabricating the reductions, and the space constraint
[12:44:44] <IchGuckLive> EU uses T5
[12:44:45] <CaptHindsight> ^^ those are not geared btw
[12:44:50] <ssi> yeah I know
[12:45:04] <Connor> geared ones might introduce backlash.
[12:45:11] <ssi> true
[12:45:12] <IchGuckLive> no
[12:45:26] <IchGuckLive> not at 120deg Rotation clamp angel
[12:45:45] <ssi> anyway I think I'm gonna run the 400 step motors with a fairly high microstepping for now and see how it does
[12:45:48] <ssi> chances are it'll be fine
[12:45:54] <IchGuckLive> forgot backlash to timingbelt T V shape
[12:46:19] <ssi> timing belt doesn't really lash, but connor is talking about steppers with gearboxes, and they likely do have some lash
[12:46:49] <IchGuckLive> if you go to highend i agree but the backlash is pricise
[12:46:55] <Connor> Unless they're harmonic gear boxes.. then your really spending $$$
[12:47:00] <ssi> yeah
[12:47:05] <IchGuckLive> let me show a example
[12:47:10] <ssi> I'd much rather put my money into a higher power tube :)
[12:47:20] <CaptHindsight> planetary geared or harmonic?
[12:47:54] <IchGuckLive> i use this worms in my systems
[12:47:56] <IchGuckLive> http://www.maedler.de/product/1643/1331/1978/1367/schneckengetriebe-gii-ausf-b-achsabstand-33mm
[12:48:10] <IchGuckLive> its 120 box
[12:48:14] <IchGuckLive> Euro
[12:48:28] <IchGuckLive> but as ypou may need to trust mee
[12:48:37] <IchGuckLive> all and i got 50 in use
[12:48:41] <CaptHindsight> 120 Euro for the gearbox?
[12:48:48] <ssi> yeah I'm sure those work well
[12:48:48] <IchGuckLive> from 7,5 to 90 I
[12:48:53] <ssi> but they're also WAY too big for what I'm doing
[12:48:53] <CaptHindsight> thats not bad
[12:49:05] <IchGuckLive> got the same 0.130 backlash
[12:49:15] <IchGuckLive> i dident beleve it
[12:49:34] <IchGuckLive> as i got gantrys at that
[12:50:06] <IchGuckLive> with geraring at both different order times
[12:50:27] <IchGuckLive> all realy all the systems i ordert got the same backlash
[12:50:44] <IchGuckLive> so its the internal system fault
[12:50:53] <IchGuckLive> just a giuess
[12:51:19] <IchGuckLive> ssi only a information example
[12:51:27] <ssi> yeah
[12:51:53] <IchGuckLive> so 4:1 is at 130deg min timingbelt access
[12:52:25] <IchGuckLive> and as you got 6 teeth in working force no backlash can be produced
[12:52:43] <ssi> yeah if i need to, I'll build something similar to this:
[12:52:43] <ssi> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BbDuItj7Znw/UuoQa1HvqWI/AAAAAAAALbk/MORKitksLl4/w1394-h785-no/IMG_20140128_215425129_HDR.jpg
[12:53:08] <ssi> I'm just gonna have to be judicious about how it mounts to the X car to clear everything
[12:53:38] <IchGuckLive> you gone make a realy good mashine i asume
[12:53:46] <ssi> I'd like to
[12:53:48] <ssi> within reason
[12:53:56] <ssi> I test fired the tube last night btw
[12:54:28] <IchGuckLive> and burned the naibourhouse to ground
[12:54:56] <IchGuckLive> be aware it may kill you
[12:55:09] <ssi> it can try
[12:56:02] <CaptHindsight> only the red ones kill or all those movies are wrong
[12:56:12] <IchGuckLive> i missfiered ones 100W and i will never ever do it again
[12:56:47] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I have lexan to fully enclose the machine
[12:57:01] <IchGuckLive> keep it cool down
[12:57:01] <ssi> as soon as all the motion is sorted out and alignment done, it's getting fully enclosed
[12:57:07] <ssi> water cooling system is already in place
[12:57:14] <ssi> but i don't have a chiller for it, just recirculating water
[12:57:29] <ssi> there's 5gal in the system, I'm hoping it's enough volume to convection cool
[12:57:44] <IchGuckLive> keep it in wach mode by flot control
[12:57:50] <ssi> ?
[12:57:55] <IchGuckLive> oh now my english passes
[12:58:04] <ssi> :)
[12:58:13] <ssi> your english is better than my german
[12:58:22] <IchGuckLive> you need to get a floating control part that gets you green light on floting water
[12:58:30] <ssi> yeah, that's a good idea
[12:58:37] <IchGuckLive> its a simple part from plumbing
[12:58:40] <ssi> the power supply has a water interlock
[12:58:44] <PetefromTn_> burned down neighbors house... classic hilarious.
[12:58:56] <IchGuckLive> 30sec without cooling might kill your system
[12:59:22] <ssi> a float won't tell me whether the water's flowing though...
[12:59:25] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: now we know how started the wildfire tonight
[12:59:30] <ssi> I have a flow sensor on hand, should I employ it?
[12:59:31] <PetefromTn_> I could see that with some meathead doing a CNC laser...not referring to you SSI LOL
[12:59:53] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I found some stuff on forums while i was looking for wiring information, and several people talked about having to patch holes in their walls :)
[12:59:58] <IchGuckLive> ssi yes on the laserout not in
[13:00:02] <ssi> yeah
[13:00:06] <PetefromTn_> some of the DIY stuff I see on the zone and elsewhere makes me cringe..
[13:00:10] <ssi> the flow meter I have is kinda large though
[13:00:20] <ssi> PetefromTn_: agreed
[13:00:36] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: i worry more on lasershow junks
[13:00:39] <PetefromTn_> hell who am I bashing I nearly blew up my enitre machine with one wire poke LOL.
[13:00:49] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I'm still trying to figure out what to do about air assist
[13:01:01] <ssi> right now I'm leaning toward getting a cheapy airbrush compressor
[13:01:11] <IchGuckLive> you go to a party and someone got a 1W RGBA CHINA module pointing on you
[13:01:13] <PetefromTn_> the more I think about it... I AM that meathead LOL.
[13:01:21] <ssi> PetefromTn_: :D
[13:01:23] <PetefromTn_> I need to seek some professional help.
[13:01:56] <PetefromTn_> dead from the neck up....
[13:02:15] <PetefromTn_> :D
[13:02:33] <IchGuckLive> ssi: is the lexan your main target material
[13:02:39] <ssi> lexan and plywood
[13:02:49] <ssi> eventually thin metal, but not with this tube
[13:03:04] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPaM0A4GBBQ
[13:03:18] <IchGuckLive> there are Airsand nozzels to use with your laser
[13:03:32] <ssi> I have a nozzle with an air assist fitting
[13:03:42] <ssi> and there's tubing run through cable chain for it already
[13:03:49] <ssi> I just need to figure out what to use as a source for the air
[13:03:50] <IchGuckLive> is it pointed on maybe 1mm
[13:04:32] <IchGuckLive> the airflow needede depends on material thickness
[13:04:48] <IchGuckLive> a airbrush may only get you 5psi at full flow
[13:05:03] <PetefromTn_> Okay I think I got this damn drawing fixed now. Gotta get it cammed up and try again now.
[13:05:14] <IchGuckLive> not enove to get lexan meltdown stop
[13:05:16] <ssi> my other option is to try to get a secondhand refrigerated dryer, get it installed, and run air line upstairs
[13:05:24] <ssi> which is obviously a lot more work
[13:05:41] <ssi> IchGuckLive: here's the nozzle: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtKoW6hIIAATj61.jpg:large
[13:05:50] <ssi> I have two of them, that's a 1.5" nozzle and lens, the other is 2"
[13:06:08] <IchGuckLive> ssi what if you stat at a standard one and as you then kow whats needed get the right
[13:06:26] <ssi> what do you mean by standard one?
[13:07:03] <IchGuckLive> a 8bar air compressor for paintig cartoos ...
[13:07:07] <ssi> ok
[13:07:12] <ssi> yeah I can get one for under $100
[13:07:27] <ssi> this one claims 0.7cfm at 40psi
[13:07:36] <IchGuckLive> ask your naibours or friends for a test at one saturday
[13:08:29] <ssi> I guess I could also just buy a little oilless pancake compressor from home depot
[13:08:34] <ssi> that'd give me a lot more pressure and flow
[13:09:11] <ssi> something quiet would be nice though
[13:09:44] <ssi> hm I have a little turbine hvlp system; maybe I could use that
[13:09:52] <ssi> might not be enough pressure ntho
[13:09:54] <IchGuckLive> 55.88USD Campbell Hausfeld FP2028
[13:10:08] <ssi> hehe yea that'd do it
[13:10:12] <JT-Shop> damn maintenance department should have changed that air line before it blew off...
[13:10:39] <JT-Shop> how do they expect the production department to get any work done?
[13:11:05] <ssi> all of $69 if I go buy it at the store
[13:11:25] <IchGuckLive> not that bad
[13:11:33] <IchGuckLive> ad you can give it back
[13:11:39] <IchGuckLive> on missfunction
[13:11:40] <ssi> HAHAHA
[13:11:45] <ssi> people around here do that all the time
[13:11:52] <IchGuckLive> as here
[13:11:55] <ssi> they'll buy a $500 paint sprayer, paint a house, and return it full of paint
[13:12:32] <IchGuckLive> here at the local its the hypertherm 125
[13:12:33] <ssi> or I could spend som emoney
[13:12:34] <ssi> http://www.homedepot.com/p/California-Air-Tools-3-Gal-1-HP-Ultra-Quiet-and-Oil-Free-Air-Compressor-3010/203003949
[13:12:44] <ssi> quiet sounds nice :)
[13:12:52] <jdh> I have 6cfm@4500psi
[13:13:09] <IchGuckLive> jdh: you blow the best 1
[13:13:10] <ssi> jdh: dive compressor? :P
[13:13:17] <jdh> yep
[13:13:18] <ssi> heheh
[13:13:20] <jdh> and dry
[13:14:01] <IchGuckLive> diving in egypt is realy cool
[13:14:45] <jdh> yeah, red sea liveabaords look great.
[13:14:51] <jdh> I could say I was canadian.
[13:15:01] <jdh> I could even act nice and polite
[13:15:21] <IchGuckLive> hurgada or sham el shaik
[13:15:41] <ssi> jdh: when I get my bareboat sailing certificate, we should get together and have a cnc club dive liveaboard sailing trip
[13:15:45] <ssi> haha
[13:15:46] <ssi> I'll need to get my gear serviced
[13:15:50] <ssi> and maybe take a refresher
[13:15:58] <Connor> Hey.. Cool.. http://www.spidercool.com/
[13:15:59] <jdh> sailing is so.... slow.
[13:16:11] <ssi> slow and fuel efficient :)
[13:16:32] <IchGuckLive> slow ssi no way did you see americas cup this year
[13:16:41] <IchGuckLive> 45miles
[13:16:43] <ssi> fast sailboats are awesome
[13:16:47] <ssi> but they're still slow in the grand scheme of things :)
[13:16:53] <Tom_itx> ok, airlines all patched up
[13:17:21] <IchGuckLive> today here the airport gets insolvent
[13:17:33] <Tom_itx> air lines
[13:17:34] <IchGuckLive> no more flights from oktober
[13:17:37] <Tom_itx> as in compressor
[13:17:49] <IchGuckLive> oh
[13:17:51] <ssi> hahaha
[13:17:52] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[13:17:53] <Tom_itx> :)
[13:18:03] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE sailboats...
[13:18:11] <PetefromTn_> Especially catamarans.
[13:18:17] <ssi> PetefromTn_: cool, come down and we'll sail and listen to records
[13:18:17] <jdh> I have a catamaran
[13:18:22] <PetefromTn_> I just wish my wife loved them too.
[13:18:23] <jdh> but, it has twin engines
[13:18:23] <IchGuckLive> tennesiee no sailboat use
[13:18:38] <PetefromTn_> I had a Nacra I used to sail around here.
[13:18:42] <PetefromTn_> BS.
[13:18:48] <PetefromTn_> There are a lot of sailboats here.
[13:18:58] <PetefromTn_> There is even a regatta in Knoxville.
[13:19:07] <PetefromTn_> sailing club and whatnot.
[13:19:10] <jdh> redneck riviera regatta
[13:19:17] <PetefromTn_> ssi sounds good to me man..
[13:19:25] <ssi> redneck riviera is panama city beach :P
[13:19:28] <PetefromTn_> precisely. altho most of the guys there are NOT rednecks.
[13:19:29] <ssi> I've done some sailing in panama city too
[13:19:35] <Tom_itx> u r old
[13:19:37] <Tom_itx> records?
[13:19:42] <ssi> friend of mine has a 38' sailboat there
[13:19:44] <Tom_itx> CD's mp3 maybe
[13:19:47] <PetefromTn_> Hey man don't dis the records..
[13:19:50] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: are you near Stuttgart?
[13:19:52] <ssi> Tom_itx: I think that means YOU are old actually
[13:19:52] <Tom_itx> hehe
[13:20:03] <PetefromTn_> records sound amazing with quality equipment.
[13:20:06] <Tom_itx> i may resemble that
[13:20:11] <ssi> was at frys the other day perusing records, all young folks looking at records, and one crusty old 50s dude flipping through CDs
[13:20:16] <ssi> the tables have turned :)
[13:20:17] <IchGuckLive> oh its quite a way to stutgart here CaptHindsight
[13:20:33] <PetefromTn_> where?
[13:20:51] <ssi> frys?
[13:20:52] <ssi> heh
[13:21:05] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: im in Ramstein where 60.000 US soldiers are and lots of big C5 and C17 overhead every day
[13:21:06] <PetefromTn_> what's Frys
[13:21:11] <ssi> huge electronics store
[13:21:17] <PetefromTn_> oh.
[13:21:22] <ssi> I get a lot of my machine parts there :P
[13:21:28] <PetefromTn_> wheres the 38 footer?
[13:21:31] <ssi> that's where I bought my adorable little meanwell 12v and 5v supplies
[13:21:37] <ssi> panama city
[13:21:41] <PetefromTn_> wall warts.
[13:21:45] <ssi> no, frame supplies
[13:21:55] <PetefromTn_> do they sell Markaudio LOL?
[13:21:59] <ssi> nope
[13:22:06] <IchGuckLive> ssi: there is a 24V 5V in one for cnc starters
[13:22:10] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtCzsOpCAAAuxT4.jpg:large
[13:22:14] <ssi> see the little guys?
[13:22:16] <IchGuckLive> i use them offen
[13:22:19] <ssi> that's actually two different supplies
[13:22:30] <ssi> IchGuckLive: yeah I've seen them but I needed them on sunday so I couldn't afford to wait
[13:22:31] <PetefromTn_> cute..
[13:23:00] <PetefromTn_> just enough to set your neighbor's house on fire from your garage...DIABOLICAL!
[13:23:08] <ssi> those supplies and the computer come on with the main power
[13:23:08] <IchGuckLive> ssi they are great for my nin mashines
[13:23:15] <ssi> all the other supplies come on by relay
[13:23:17] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: ok, so ~200km, that's like 10 minutes on the autobahn :)
[13:23:24] <cpresser> with great supplies comes great power
[13:23:27] <ssi> cpresser: :)
[13:23:53] <ssi> turns out the laser psu can supply 24v and 5v, but in order to use those I'd have to have the laser psu come on with the main switch
[13:24:00] <ssi> and I really prefer to have it under software control for estop purposes
[13:24:01] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: woudt be grweat nearly 2,5hr
[13:24:41] <PetefromTn_> Estop means NO software to me man...
[13:25:06] <IchGuckLive> ssi i use a 24V seperat to get the 5i25 supplyed and from thre start all other
[13:25:19] <IchGuckLive> so relai emergency on all parts
[13:25:19] <ssi> yeah that's basically what I'm doing
[13:25:30] <ssi> I added a 5V supply for the 5v side of the 7i76 as well, because my relays are 5v coil
[13:25:36] <PetefromTn_> Estop means....OH SHIT I just burned down the neighbor's house and set their dog on fire so it has to be off RIGHT NOW!!
[13:25:41] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yep
[13:25:54] <IchGuckLive> F1 starts all the power in the cabinet
[13:25:59] <IchGuckLive> F2 enables the drives
[13:26:15] <IchGuckLive> so i got 2 chances for a emergency
[13:26:17] <ssi> IchGuckLive: yeah that's what I'm going for too, although I dunno if I want to have the laser psu running with f1 or not
[13:26:39] <jdh> I don't use f1 or f2 on my mill. Just push the start button.
[13:26:40] <ssi> IchGuckLive: the leadshine drives have an enable input, and I'm not sure if I should use it or not
[13:26:47] <IchGuckLive> on worm mashines i like the main emergency to be drive enable cut
[13:26:57] <IchGuckLive> i use it
[13:27:08] <ssi> the 7i76 doesn't have dedicated enable outs on the 5v side
[13:27:26] <IchGuckLive> use a GPIo
[13:27:28] <ssi> and the field io side is all sourcing outs, and I'm not sure what sort of input signal the enable in on the drive is
[13:27:37] <IchGuckLive> and got a 24V relay on it
[13:27:46] <ssi> the manual says that they're enabled by default,
[13:27:55] <ssi> and I tried just shorting the ena+ to ena-, and it didn't seem to disable the drive
[13:27:59] <ssi> at least there wasn't any indication
[13:28:08] <ssi> i guess I should check if the motor goes slack
[13:28:21] <Connor> anyone know of a 1/4 NPT Right angle connector.. that can "rotate" ? a
[13:28:23] <jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H04TJgWcVvU
[13:29:36] <IchGuckLive> ssi the 5V run to leadshine ena+ and the ena - runs to the relay and then to gnd
[13:29:42] <ssi> yeah got it
[13:29:45] <IchGuckLive> do F2 enables the drives
[13:29:46] <PetefromTn_> My neighbor kills me man... He and his son built this large shed with a whole bunch of work and board and batton siding. Looked pretty good and they even put some windown and doors in it.
[13:30:00] <ssi> and i can use the NC side of the relay to make them active high
[13:30:06] <PetefromTn_> Then they got it ready with trusses and ready to put the roof on.
[13:30:18] <PetefromTn_> Only they never finished the roof and that was like three years ago.
[13:30:18] <ssi> IchGuckLive: did you see my relay card hackery?
[13:30:31] <ssi> PetefromTn_: so now the whole thing is rot?
[13:30:34] <PetefromTn_> So it is not rotting away in the weather and looks like fido's ass..
[13:30:49] <ssi> CaptHindsight: you might be interested in this too
[13:30:50] <PetefromTn_> yup.
[13:31:11] <ssi> those cheapy sainsmart relay cards are active low, and they won't work with 7i76 sourcing outputs
[13:31:18] <IchGuckLive> ssi
[13:31:20] <IchGuckLive> net joy-mashine-off or2.2.in0 <= input.0.btn-tl
[13:31:22] <IchGuckLive> net mash-estop-but or2.2.in1 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-00-not
[13:31:23] <IchGuckLive> net maschinehaloff or2.2.out => halui.machine.off
[13:31:25] <PetefromTn_> its just a building with open trusses and no roof
[13:31:33] <ssi> so I hacked them up to make them active high
[13:31:34] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtGt9k2CQAEMsyh.jpg:large
[13:31:41] <ssi> ugly, but functional
[13:31:46] <PetefromTn_> and now it is a smoldering pile of cow dung.
[13:31:51] <ssi> also changed the resistors out so they can run comfortably on 12v signals
[13:31:56] <ssi> though the coils still take 5v
[13:32:40] <ssi> there are 12v versions of this board out there; I ordered a few, but they're still active low
[13:32:57] <PetefromTn_> I got lucky with the relays in the Cinci.. It has a large bank of relays in a block and I was able to reuse them. Works well.
[13:33:11] <ssi> in order to convert them, the indicator leds need to be rotated 180 to swap polarity, and pins 1 and 2 on the opto need to be swapped to reverse polarity
[13:33:28] <ssi> and then the control header gets fed gnd on the VCC pin, and +12v on a signal pin to activate
[13:34:12] <ssi> PetefromTn_: these little cheapy relay cards actually are great for what they are... if they were active high out of the box they'd be perfect
[13:34:16] <ssi> but they're like $7 apiece
[13:34:20] <ssi> for 8 channels of relays
[13:35:26] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AIR-ANGLE-SWIVEL-ADAPTOR-1-4-NPT-/271257540415?pt=US_Hand_Tools&hash=item3f2835973f
[13:35:33] <Connor> says for air.. you think that would work for coolant ?
[13:36:11] <IchGuckLive> ssi: http://foengarage.de/mesa_elek.jpg
[13:36:25] <IchGuckLive> right of the 7i76 the 2 relays
[13:36:25] <Connor> jdh: Your thoughts ?
[13:36:41] <ssi> IchGuckLive: ya
[13:36:55] <IchGuckLive> ssi and right of the leadshine the yelow one is the main cut off
[13:37:13] <ssi> latching contactor?
[13:37:26] <IchGuckLive> the prit telay socket combination is cheep and can host 5V 12V 24V relas
[13:37:31] <ssi> what are the three boxes to the right of the yellow one
[13:37:47] <IchGuckLive> 5V 12V 24V supply
[13:37:50] <ssi> gotcha
[13:38:02] <IchGuckLive> as i need to work 16hr + i go for sepperate
[13:38:04] <k6mle-CNC> Got the 5i25 installed, but need to have Linux recognize it ... not quite sure how that's done!
[13:38:18] <ssi> k6mle-CNC: linuxcnc will load the driver for it
[13:38:26] <ssi> k6mle-CNC: just configure your hal for it, it'll work :)
[13:38:51] <k6mle-CNC> Should I start with stepconf?
[13:39:01] <IchGuckLive> k6 are you on 2.5.4
[13:39:04] <ssi> pncconf I think you need to use
[13:39:19] <IchGuckLive> use pncconf
[13:39:31] <ssi> but I ran it yesterday and it didn't have 5i25 in it for some reason
[13:39:33] <ssi> not sure what version
[13:39:43] <IchGuckLive> and keep in mind the output on the pc back side is connector 2
[13:39:50] <k6mle-CNC> Okay ... I've not used that yet, but will give it a try.
[13:40:07] <PetefromTn_> Connor... I got a whole bunch of right angle fitting here from the RF45 build you are welcome to some if you want them. I think they are all for air but I used them for grease fittings at least the brass ones.
[13:40:36] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Idea I have to make a servo controlled coolant nozzle.
[13:40:46] <PetefromTn_> there is a firmware upgrade that works for that K6 its on the forum.
[13:40:52] <Connor> Need a right angle swivel connector 1/4npt
[13:41:16] <Connor> push-to-connect won't work.
[13:41:20] <PetefromTn_> I know the plastic ones for air pressure are swivel at least some of them are..
[13:41:31] <PetefromTn_> The plastic ones are push to connect.
[13:41:36] <PetefromTn_> the brass one I do not rememve.
[13:41:38] <Connor> Yea. that's the problem.
[13:41:40] <PetefromTn_> remember.
[13:41:48] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AIR-ANGLE-SWIVEL-ADAPTOR-1-4-NPT-/271257540415?pt=US_Hand_Tools&hash=item3f2835973f
[13:41:51] <Connor> Might work.
[13:42:18] <PetefromTn_> they sell swivel fittings for pneumatics that are kinda nice at lowes...
[13:42:41] <PetefromTn_> I have one or two on some of my pneumo tools.
[13:43:27] <PetefromTn_> Just a piece of surgical tubing would probably swivel pretty good too... with a piece of brass stuck inside it to hold it maybe?
[13:43:42] <PetefromTn_> The HAAS programmable coolant just has a brass nozzle on it.
[13:43:50] <PetefromTn_> looks like a short piece of pipe.
[13:44:19] <PetefromTn_> I am sure they must charge 15 grand for the system tho LOL.
[13:44:29] <Connor> I want to bring the coolant in from the back... down a manifold, into the fitting..
[13:44:48] <Connor> the fitting then will be coupled with a servo.
[13:45:00] <Connor> and a "nozzle" screwed into the fitting.
[13:45:55] <automata> hi PCW_home
[13:46:28] <automata> I am trying to compile a bit file for 7i90... but I run into the following error...
[13:46:29] <automata> ERROR:HDLCompiler:104 - "D:\Work\Projects\mesa\7i90\configs\hostmot2\source\hostmot2.vhd" Line 80: Cannot find <inputpinspermodule> in library <work>. Please ensure that the library was compiled, and that a library and a use clause are present in the VHDL file.
[13:46:46] <PetefromTn_> cool beans
[13:46:56] <automata> I am not able to find the VHDL source file called inputpinspermodule.vhd
[13:47:00] <PetefromTn_> how do you plan to control it?
[13:47:21] <automata> any suggestions?
[13:47:34] <Connor> External controller. Probably use modbus to connect it to LinuxCNC/Mach3 or whatever.
[13:47:54] <PetefromTn_> MACH3!!!! PLEASE SAY NO...
[13:48:12] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I don't care... The controller will talk modbus. :)
[13:48:12] <pcw_home> download the latest source (and you may need to add InputsPinsPerModel.vhd to the project)
[13:48:26] <PetefromTn_> the haas setup actually has positions settings in the tool table.
[13:48:46] <PetefromTn_> You set the tool length and then the coolant nozzle position and the control does the rest.
[13:48:50] <automata> ok..
[13:49:04] <Connor> Going to copy the http://www.spidercool.com/ idea..
[13:49:38] <pcw_home> you can add source to the project by right clicking in the source pane
[13:49:42] <Connor> LinuxCNC sends over modbus, the tool number.. and the controller has the setting stored.
[13:49:52] <automata> ok trying that...
[13:51:12] <PetefromTn_> that looks basically just like the haas one only it looks like a smaller package footprint.
[13:51:25] <PetefromTn_> The nozzle need some good pressure tho.
[13:51:31] <Connor> I can replicate it. :)
[13:51:40] <PetefromTn_> of course.
[13:51:48] <PetefromTn_> make me one too LOL
[13:52:00] <PetefromTn_> Altho honestly my coolant setup works fine really.
[13:52:11] <PetefromTn_> I do have to adjust the nozzles occasionally which is tedious.
[13:52:23] <Connor> Hmm.. you use 1/4 or 3/8 ?
[13:52:24] <PetefromTn_> I need the toolchanger working more than programmable coolant right now tho.
[13:52:40] <PetefromTn_> It uses Loc Line larger diameter..
[13:52:47] <PetefromTn_> I do not know the size.
[13:52:55] <Connor> Those come in different sizes too. :)
[13:53:10] <Connor> Mine is 1/4npt
[13:53:16] <Connor> which is what I'm going to go with.
[13:53:32] <PetefromTn_> The pump puts out enough volume to make the garden nozzle feel like my houses garden nozzle so that is not a problem.
[13:53:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but I have not tried to measure it.
[13:54:06] <PetefromTn_> Would be a nice addition tho. Needs to be pretty coolant proof motor and wiring tho.
[13:54:17] <PetefromTn_> it gets WET in there man.
[13:54:50] <PetefromTn_> I find sprinkling of coolant even coming out the top of the machine landing on me occasionally and that is like eight feet up or more..
[13:56:58] <PetefromTn_> How is your machine working?
[13:57:42] <Connor> Haven't done much with it lately. I need to finish up those cover panels for the enclosure.. and wire up the switches so I can run the coolant
[14:07:12] <PetefromTn_> Sounds like you are making progress tho...
[14:07:26] <PetefromTn_> I need to get back on mine and get this toolchanger working at some point here.
[14:08:08] <PetefromTn_> Still working on the damn kitchen tho. Got the base cabinets all installed and the counter tops are almost in gotta cut the sink out and install the new sink so we can use it again soon.
[14:09:49] <Tom_itx> dude you need to get your priorities straight
[14:09:59] <ssi> heh
[14:10:01] <PetefromTn_> who me?
[14:10:06] * Tom_itx nods
[14:10:07] <ssi> the cabinetmaker's kitchen
[14:10:09] <PetefromTn_> how so..
[14:10:31] <Tom_itx> care for your machines at all cost
[14:10:34] <PetefromTn_> I thought the kitchen takes precedence over the CNC..
[14:11:12] <PetefromTn_> Gotta have a kitchen sink.. with no kitchen sink Momma Ain't happy....when Momma Ain't happy...well.... DADDY Ain't happy if you know what I mean.
[14:11:13] <ssi> next thing you know, you're gonna be telling me I should go to work instead of building machines
[14:11:14] <Tom_itx> boy have you been brainwashed...
[14:12:02] <PetefromTn_> Well since we have lived with shitty cabinets for a couple YEARS now with basically a makeshift counter top I figure it is about time or I may be out in the street...
[14:12:28] <PetefromTn_> Personally I like my nice warm bed and my wife's company in it LOL...
[14:12:47] <ssi> yeah, pretty much the definition of brainwashing
[14:13:03] <serp> i like the couch sometimes myself
[14:13:15] <PetefromTn_> so I have to put the other SCHTUFF on hold. Besides I have been busy making other stuff and trying to make money where I can so the encoder mount for the machine has been neglected.
[14:13:49] <PetefromTn_> I actually like the couch too but only when I KNOW I can head upstairs to my nice HUGE king sized warm bed LOL....
[14:13:57] <Tom_itx> get the tool changer working and you won't have to attend it nearly as much
[14:14:09] <Tom_itx> then you will have the free time to honey dew
[14:14:17] <ssi> why on earth do fedex and ups keep giving my packages to usps to deliver?!
[14:14:18] <PetefromTn_> so call me brainwashed, whipped, what have you. It works for me LOL...
[14:14:37] <serp> What part of Tn Pete.. Alcoa here
[14:14:39] <PetefromTn_> Oh I hear ya man I would love to have the toolchanger working..
[14:14:42] <PetefromTn_> NO SHIT..
[14:14:42] <Tom_itx> ssi i dunno, it's some sort of postal arrangement they have
[14:14:46] <ssi> it's annoying
[14:14:47] <PetefromTn_> I am in Maryville LOL..
[14:14:47] <Tom_itx> i get them too
[14:14:49] <serp> hah
[14:14:57] <ssi> one from fedex, one from ups
[14:15:00] <ssi> both scheduled to deliver today
[14:15:01] <ssi> by usps
[14:15:06] <serp> Basically the same thing except during football season
[14:15:18] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[14:15:21] <ds3> because you asked for it
[14:15:37] <ssi> I asked for it?
[14:15:38] <PetefromTn_> where in Alcoa?
[14:15:39] <ds3> Fedex and UPS's low end services are delivered by USPS
[14:15:49] <ds3> SmartPost I think is one name Fedex uses
[14:15:53] <ds3> same with UPS
[14:16:05] <ssi> in one case, I asked for express shipping
[14:16:07] <ds3> you save like $1 on shipping but things get delayed by another 2-3 days
[14:16:07] <ssi> and they sent it china post
[14:16:10] <serp> PetefromTn_: well just a couple miles from teh airport.. i guess that could be said for all of alcoa though
[14:16:13] <ssi> and I complained, so they recalled it and sent it fedex
[14:16:15] <ssi> and it took two weeks
[14:16:20] <PetefromTn_> sweet..
[14:16:28] <PetefromTn_> You got any CNC's working?
[14:16:28] <ds3> they must have assumed all services of fedex are fast
[14:16:35] <PetefromTn_> Connor here is up in KTown..
[14:16:37] <ssi> also
[14:16:44] <serp> PetefromTn_: I came in here cause I have been helpin the KnoxMakers with their buildlog 2.x laser
[14:16:45] <ssi> why can usps get a package from california to atlanta in two days,
[14:16:57] <PetefromTn_> WHAT KNOXMAKERS?
[14:16:58] <ssi> but fedex takes a week and a half to get it from california to usps, who then takes one more day to get it to me
[14:17:09] <ds3> I used to order stuff from a place that's about 400miles away - ground service is same as next day here...then they started offering "smartpost"... 2-3 days for the same delivery...just $1 or less
[14:17:15] <serp> PetefromTn_: yes.. you know of them right? :)
[14:17:24] <PetefromTn_> NOPE... NOT A CLUE...
[14:17:45] <serp> PetefromTn_: they are currently housed in oak ridge but are about to move to Knoxville proper
[14:17:50] <PetefromTn_> thats some a dat makerbot stuff right.. All 3d printing and schtuff.
[14:18:03] <PetefromTn_> there is nothing PROPER about knoxville LOL
[14:18:27] <serp> they do 3d printing aplenty... they have a cnc of some sort i'm not familiar with yet.. the laser is just having the final touches on it
[14:18:59] <ds3> Oakridge, TN? do their 3d printings glow too?
[14:19:00] <ds3> :D
[14:19:02] <PetefromTn_> I have to build me one of those 3d thingies one of these days. Right now I want to build a large format CNC router tho.
[14:19:14] <PetefromTn_> hell we all glow here man...
[14:19:19] <serp> ds3: heh yes... they are 3d printing cards out in oak ridge now for localmotors
[14:19:24] <PetefromTn_> my kids have six legs...
[14:19:24] <serp> err cars
[14:19:39] <ds3> self warming cars that glow ? :D
[14:19:43] <serp> no doubt
[14:19:44] <PetefromTn_> they are a nice shade of purple too..
[14:19:59] <PetefromTn_> thats a joke right...?
[14:20:07] <serp> what's a joke?
[14:20:16] <PetefromTn_> the printing car parts thing.
[14:20:22] <serp> no they are literally printing a car
[14:20:34] <PetefromTn_> car for a hamster?
[14:20:45] <serp> https://localmotors.com/AlexFi/the-3d-printed-car-aka-direct-digital-manufacturing/
[14:20:50] <ds3> they have done bikes before
[14:21:01] <ds3> (they as in generic they)
[14:21:25] <PetefromTn_> HOLY SCHNIKES!!
[14:21:29] <serp> like teh whole frame is 3d printed
[14:21:33] <PetefromTn_> Print me one man...
[14:21:41] <serp> i'm sure they'd sell you one
[14:21:43] <PetefromTn_> looks aluminum tig welded to me..
[14:22:21] <PetefromTn_> I want to buy SSI's formula 1 car first LOL...
[14:22:29] <ssi> formula 440 :P
[14:23:06] <PetefromTn_> That shock mount looks kinda flimsy to me man...
[14:23:46] <PetefromTn_> Ya shoulda called me I would love to be a part of building something like that dude! Is this for a college project or something?
[14:23:57] <serp> no just for the makerspace
[14:24:14] <serp> hackerspace.. whatever you wanna call it.. community collection of tools for members
[14:24:26] <ssi> most of those places do have tools for members
[14:25:09] <serp> it's kind of small still due to space issues... we've outgrown the current location.. thus the prompt to move to knoxville to a bigger place
[14:25:14] <PetefromTn_> I got a CNC machining center here man... Can I play too?
[14:25:21] <ssi> PetefromTn_: naw you're overqualified
[14:25:26] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[14:25:35] <ssi> seriously
[14:25:40] <ssi> I wanted to get involved with one here in atlanta
[14:25:47] <ssi> and they're obnoxious about it
[14:25:56] <PetefromTn_> how so do tell..
[14:25:57] <ssi> it's a bunch of fratty, culty, socialist bull
[14:26:08] <ssi> I am a one man hackerspace thank you very much
[14:26:17] <PetefromTn_> you sure as hell are sir...
[14:26:22] <JT-Shop> yea, my drill speed and feed works!
[14:26:33] <PetefromTn_> and you have my undying respect LOL...
[14:26:37] <ssi> haha
[14:26:53] <ssi> seriously I personally have a lot more equipment and tools than the entire freeside collective :P
[14:27:00] <PetefromTn_> anyone with the cajones to build thier own plane in the garage has balls as big as churchbells....
[14:27:17] <PetefromTn_> you are a giant among men.
[14:27:18] <alexchally_cnc> shiiiit yes, i done read some encoder output into EMC \o/
[14:27:23] <alexchally_cnc> time to get some victorylunch :D
[14:27:24] <ssi> reserve judgement for after I fly it :P
[14:27:37] <PetefromTn_> Can I have your CHNC when you crash?
[14:27:45] <PetefromTn_> ;)\
[14:27:49] <ssi> when am I getting a CHNC?!
[14:27:50] <ssi> :D
[14:28:00] <PetefromTn_> did you sell it?
[14:28:01] <JT-Shop> I put together a 170 once for my Dad
[14:28:08] <ssi> nah mine's an HNC
[14:28:15] <PetefromTn_> oh whatever...
[14:28:27] <ssi> smaller collet, no servo spindle
[14:28:28] <PetefromTn_> can I? LOL
[14:28:36] <ssi> heh sure
[14:28:59] <PetefromTn_> you are the best man.... whattaguy??!!!
[14:29:13] <ssi> tell you what
[14:29:14] <PetefromTn_> jeez I crack myself up...
[14:29:17] <ssi> you come down here and help me fix it,
[14:29:19] <ssi> I'll write you into the will
[14:29:20] <ssi> :)
[14:29:47] <PetefromTn_> I need to come down there just to witness the grandeur of the 2A3's man... everything else will be a BONUS!
[14:30:16] <zeeshan> man
[14:30:21] <zeeshan> how hard is it to follow a fucking drawing
[14:30:29] <zeeshan> i told this other masters student to machine something
[14:30:32] <PetefromTn_> pretty damn hard..
[14:30:33] <zeeshan> for a clearance fit
[14:30:44] <zeeshan> i specified -.001 undersize
[14:30:55] <zeeshan> he makes it 1/8" undersize..
[14:30:56] <zeeshan> ?
[14:31:03] <zeeshan> the whole part is scrap now
[14:31:07] <ssi> that's sorta like the same tihng
[14:31:18] <zeeshan> i spent 8 hours machining the other features on it
[14:32:10] <serp> PetefromTn_: everyone is welcome... look it up on the website... most all the tuesday nights (except tonight oddly enough) are open to the public with some little presentation or something
[14:32:34] <PetefromTn_> why not tonight?
[14:32:52] <serp> it's a member meeting to vote on stuff.. to be honest it's probably open too but would be boring
[14:33:02] <PetefromTn_> my new to me fullsize bronco is not registered yet. I need to get a new fuel tank for it. So I would have to take my wife's trooper.
[14:33:14] <PetefromTn_> what is your involvement?
[14:33:19] <serp> i'm a member
[14:33:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah I got that much.
[14:33:28] <serp> that's it
[14:33:38] <PetefromTn_> you have not made anything on the car?
[14:33:45] <zeeshan> interesting
[14:33:47] <zeeshan> theyre using alias
[14:33:49] <serp> the car is not part of the makerspace
[14:33:59] <serp> it's made by localmotors
[14:34:00] <zeeshan> that software drives me insane :{
[14:34:03] <PetefromTn_> I'm lost now...
[14:34:24] <PetefromTn_> I thought you said they were making the car in the makerspace...
[14:34:32] <serp> no in oak ridge...
[14:34:34] <serp> at ornl
[14:34:46] <serp> sorry it was a tangent comment to someone else saying something
[14:34:48] <zeeshan> ssi get yolur dryer yet?
[14:34:49] <zeeshan> :D
[14:34:59] <PetefromTn_> Those guys up there are working on some next gen stuff....
[14:35:10] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could be a part of some of that stuff.
[14:35:24] <ssi> zeeshan: I emailed the guy in canton
[14:35:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: part of building plastic cars?
[14:35:32] <PetefromTn_> Maybe I need to come up there and meet and greet and stick my gnarled ugly toe in the door...
[14:35:37] <serp> yah ornl is some real stuff.. some of the supercomputer dudes are members
[14:35:44] <PetefromTn_> hell part of anything worth doing...
[14:36:03] <zeeshan> ssi i hope you low balled
[14:36:05] <zeeshan> :D
[14:36:12] <PetefromTn_> maybe I can get some business going with my own shop here for them.
[14:36:14] <serp> PetefromTn_: if you are interested in the car i think they do tours.. you could contact the localmotors guys.. they are pretty good about that stuff usually
[14:36:51] <PetefromTn_> might have to do that.
[14:36:53] <ssi> haven't made an offer, just trying to make contact
[14:37:07] <PetefromTn_> Gotta go out in the shop now and try to make this damn fixture again.
[14:37:11] <PetefromTn_> Cya guys later..
[14:37:15] <zeeshan> bi
[14:37:17] <PetefromTn_> wish me luck LIL..
[14:37:20] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[14:37:29] <PetefromTn_> who you callin' BI??? heheh
[14:38:21] <zeeshan> =]
[14:54:13] <JT-Shop> what a pain to powder coat one thing... an hour to set up 5 min to coat and 25 to bake then another hour to put everything away
[14:58:18] <zeeshan> !
[14:58:30] <zeeshan> is there an easy way to mount 10 spacers on a milling table
[14:58:35] <zeeshan> and face mill em all at once
[15:02:58] <Connor> Serp: We may have met
[15:03:54] <Connor> I went to one of the KnoxMakers meetings.. was on CNC. Guy Brought a little CNC machine built for pcb engraving.
[15:07:14] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, I got my encoders reading into linuxcnc today, thanks for your help yesterday!
[15:10:41] <PCW> NP
[15:10:43] <PCW> Make sure you read the 7I52S manual section about the TX0B and TX3B enables (though those outputs dont happen to be ones used for PWM)
[15:11:45] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, will do, I have not even plugged in or looked at the outputs yet, will have to muck around more later today
[15:13:35] <PCW> I really need a xml file or something that translates from GPIO pin# to daughtercard output pin for a given daughtercard
[15:17:36] <k6mle-CNC> PCW: In setting up a 5i25 (configured for the G540), can I accept all the defaults in pncconfig?
[15:19:34] <PCW> not sure about pncconf, if you haven't got the latest pncconf you need to install the xml files for the 5I25 in the 5i25 firmware directory
[15:20:19] <PCW> pretty sure the latest pncconf has them built-in
[15:20:35] <k6mle-CNC> I have the 5i25 appearing in the pncconf dropdown, is that what you mean?
[15:20:56] <k6mle-CNC> I located a SH file in the forum and ran it ...
[15:21:48] <PCW> does the g540 firmware option show up?
[15:26:54] <serp> Connor: I don't remember that one.. how long ago?
[15:27:05] <Connor> year or longer.
[15:27:16] <serp> i just found them about a year ago myself
[15:27:21] <serp> so might have been before then
[15:27:25] <Connor> I brought in a Robot.. (based on power chair)
[15:27:41] <serp> I don't remember those things so probably prior to me :)
[15:27:49] <Connor> ok
[15:29:07] <k6mle-CNC> show up where?
[15:29:50] <serp> k6mle-CNC: the local hackerspace
[15:31:00] <k6mle-CNC> Ah ... found it ... hadn't gotten that far in the screens ... I see 7ixx for selections ... nothing that says 5ixx
[15:33:07] <k6mle-CNC> PCW: In the Mesa0 I/O setup page it gives the board name as 5i25 and has a drop-down for the firmware ...
[15:33:08] <alexchally> PCW: you said the other day that you had only included the firmware in the BIT file you gave me for the 5i23 and the 7i52s, but not the 7i37TA. Any chance you could hook me up with the completed file?
[15:34:38] <Tom_itx> isn't the 37 just a buffer board?
[15:34:49] <Tom_itx> ... i didn't check before speaking...
[15:36:58] <JT-Shop> hmmm the radius I need to measure is bigger than my gauges... any ideas on how to measure it?
[15:37:35] <ssi> how accurately do you need to measure it?
[15:37:56] <ssi> should be able to scribe or mark vertical and horizontal lines at the tangent points and measure from the edge to those lines
[15:38:00] <alexchally> JT-Shop: I laser cut some radius gauges to eyeball it, or you can cut a taper of a known angle and then measure how far down the taper you go before the taper matches the radius
[15:38:35] <alexchally> or if its a nice 2d part you can print a bunch of circles on paper and match it that way
[15:39:48] <PCW> 7i37/7i37TA just uses GPIO so the file you have is appropriate
[15:40:10] <JT-Shop> alexchally, it's a ball socket on a muffler
[15:41:31] <alexchally> JT-Shop: I would try paper cutouts first, its probably a nice nominal size
[15:43:23] <EW57> Good afternoon all! PCW, the computer I intend to use for linuxcnc as both pci & pci-e ports, with that in mind, which would you recommend between the 5i25 & 6i25?
[15:43:35] <JT-Shop> looks close to 2.375, I'd bet it is 60mm
[15:44:40] <PCW> 5I25 as its cheaper
[15:45:27] <alexchally> PCW, you mentioned the TX0B/TX3B enable thing, do I have to drive those with a jumper, or is there a way to do that in software?
[15:45:58] <alexchally> that is, do I need to actually run a wire from a +5V out to the TXOBENA pin?
[15:47:48] <PCW> No, its just something that needs to be done in the HAL file
[15:49:11] <alexchally> PCW: ok. mooore questions, what do I need to do to make the differential outputs swing the PWM duty cycle around to control my servo?
[15:49:29] <alexchally> is that all going to happen in the .HAL file?
[15:50:18] <PCW> use a servo config and connect the pid outputs to the A,B,C PWM values
[15:50:35] <EW57> & the difference between the 5i25&6i25 is just the bus configuration, or is there more to it?
[15:51:06] <PCW> bus only the 6I25 normally just uses 5I25 configs
[15:52:11] <EW57> great, thank you sir!
[15:52:48] <PCW> alexchally: you will probably have to limit the PID output so the PWM doesn't dissappear if the output saturates
[15:53:08] <PCW> (theres a pin on the PID comp for this)
[15:53:34] <alexchally> PCW, that is, so it does not drive it to a +5VDC high?
[15:54:03] <alexchally> or I guess drive it low
[15:54:11] <PCW> so it doesn not stop generating pulses at either extreme
[15:54:32] <ssi> aw BALLS
[15:54:38] <ssi> these motors have a different shaft size :(
[15:54:40] <PCW> I suspect your drives will fault if this happens
[15:55:36] <alexchally> PCW, it seems reasonable, I will take a close look at it with my 'scope to see what happens when I drive it with the original controller
[15:55:52] <alexchally> I don't know how else they keep it from running away at startup if they don't do that
[15:56:47] <PCW> its actually kind of clever
[15:57:35] <PCW> does it have a processor that interprets the PWM?
[15:58:28] <alexchally> PCW, it must have one in the servo driver, because the drive takes that input and outputs +-100VDC to drive the servos
[15:58:49] <alexchally> Its clever, noise resistant, and kind of a pain in my ass :D
[15:59:22] <JT-Shop> three different answers to the same question, 1st answer "it takes about an hour to get through our system", 2nd "it takes a couple of hours..." 3rd "it takes a couple of days..."
[16:00:11] * JT-Shop wonders what takes so long for a fax to get "into their system" so they can see if they received it
[16:00:28] <JT-Shop> rant off
[16:00:37] <alexchally> JT-Shop: I just had another idea, you could measure that radius using the chord length: http://www.mathopenref.com/chord.html
[16:00:53] <alexchally> kind of a PITA, but if you have a lathe and a dial indicator it could be done
[16:02:10] <Connor> ssi: You didn't check that when you ordered ?
[16:06:20] <JT-Shop> alexchally, this is a big part...
[16:06:39] <alexchally> JT-Shop: sounds like an excuse for a big lathe :D
[16:07:30] <ssi> jesus christ connor, give it a rest
[16:08:34] <JT-Shop> I have a drop bed that can swing 14" give or take and 36" long but only 12" at that length
[16:09:01] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop do you have any tooling diameter enough to measure the radius?
[16:09:43] <JT-Shop> I used a drop from a piece of 2 3/8 round bar to measure it with
[16:09:48] <Tom_itx> or a socket
[16:11:39] <Connor> ssi: Just messing with ya. :)
[16:21:49] <ssi> ugh... I hate 5mm shafts
[16:21:59] <ssi> american timing pulleys don't come in frenchyfrench bullshit sizes
[16:25:52] <DaViruz> you mean restoftheworls bullshit sizes?
[16:26:26] <DaViruz> it's not like it's jsut the french that's backwards and awkward
[16:26:48] <DaViruz> it is in fact you :P
[16:28:32] <ssi> except we make things that can be used
[16:28:44] <ssi> and purchased in a timely fashion
[16:29:07] <alexchally> ssi, you can get a pully with a 11/64 shaft and ream it without having to drill it
[16:29:11] <alexchally> and a 5mm reamer
[16:29:16] <DaViruz> surely the rest of the world manages
[16:29:20] <ssi> this assumes one has a 5mm reamer :)
[16:29:29] <ssi> I drilled some 3/16" bore pulleys that I have on hand
[16:29:38] <jdh> dont you have a lathe?
[16:29:39] <ssi> they wobble a bit but they'll have to do for now
[16:30:01] <DaViruz> like you said, you make things that can be used ;)
[16:30:06] <ssi> fixturing a 14 tooth mxl pulley on a lathe and boring a 5mm hole is not a trivial thing to do
[16:30:09] <ssi> and not worth the hassle today
[16:30:57] <ssi> it wouldn't bother me if there was a store I could drive to and buy GT2 belt and pulleys, but there's not
[16:31:02] <ssi> I can drive somewhere and buy MXL hardware
[16:32:07] <DaViruz> surely gt2 pulleys come in 5mm
[16:32:12] <DaViruz> in fact i have several with metric bores
[16:32:38] <DaViruz> i belive i even got them in a timely fashion
[16:35:19] <Deejay> gn8
[16:35:24] <alexchally> ssi, just hold the pully through the bore ;)
[16:36:51] <alexchally> if I set Scale to 0, will axis report the number of counts as the distance?
[16:37:03] <alexchally> the number of encoder counts
[16:38:36] <ssi> gt2 pulleys do, in fact, come in 5mm
[16:38:44] <ssi> they're the ones I can't buy
[16:39:44] <PCW> 0 scale would not work but if you set the input scale to 1 you will have 1 encoder count per machine unit
[16:39:47] <DaViruz> oh you wanted mxl
[16:39:59] <DaViruz> never used those
[16:40:32] <DaViruz> http://openbuildspartstore.com/5mm-mxl-aluminum-timing-pulley/
[16:40:37] <DaViruz> doesn't seem too rare
[16:41:23] <ssi> I guess you missed the part where I said "That I can drive to a store and buy today"
[16:41:59] <DaViruz> i guess i didn't miss the part where you said the pulleys don't come in metric sizes
[16:42:23] <ssi> feel free to cherry-pick from the conversation to make your point
[16:43:16] <jymmm> LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvExOg4NI0
[16:47:13] <DaViruz> well it was that sentiment that i found strange. i guess i didn't pay attention to the later stages. i guess i'll shut up if i can't contribute something useful
[16:47:32] <PetefromTn_> Daisy can kiss my ass COOPER needs some damn ICE CREAM MAN!!
[16:47:57] <PetefromTn_> well managed to get the damn fixture machined nice and pretty.
[16:48:07] <PetefromTn_> Now working on the CAM for the part finally.
[16:48:17] <PetefromTn_> Gotta cut some stock here now.
[16:49:36] <PetefromTn_> I am loving my shop built stainless fly cutter with cemented carbide custom radius ground inserts. Makes for a SMOOTH SHINY finish!! I like smooth and shiny.
[16:50:05] <ssi> DaViruz: I'm trying to swap a set of motors out and get back to work, and the new motors have 5mm shafts instead of 1/4" shafts. I can drive to mcmaster and buy pulleys in any imperial size I need, but ordering something from god knows where maker kids online store and waiting a week doesn't fit my schedule
[16:50:12] <ssi> does that clear up my intentions?
[16:51:53] <PetefromTn_> SSI Jeez man are your panties in a bunch today LOL... his name IS the virus after all.
[16:52:06] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[16:52:17] <ssi> yeah, I'm hungry and cranky
[16:52:24] <PetefromTn_> LOL me too...
[16:52:36] <PetefromTn_> I need to get this part machined and it is taking too damn long.
[16:52:50] * jymmm hands out midol to the lot of ya!
[16:52:50] <ssi> I had to completely disassemble the motion of the machine to install limit switches
[16:52:51] <PetefromTn_> I am slow as molasses with this shite.
[16:52:55] <ssi> and decided to swap these motors at the same time
[16:53:08] <PetefromTn_> a mans gotta have limits!
[16:53:45] <PetefromTn_> incidentally CamBam's holding tab feature kicks ass... Never used it before today.
[16:53:59] <ssi> haha
[16:54:17] <PetefromTn_> seriously it has auto and manual modes and lots of nice settings.
[16:54:21] <DaViruz> is it that diffult to bore them then? when i get timing belt pulleys localy they usually only stock unbored ones
[16:54:23] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Really? You haven't used that I've used it..
[16:54:41] <PetefromTn_> well LA DEE DA!!
[16:54:55] <PetefromTn_> you have had CamBam a lot longer than I have man LOL
[16:55:04] <PetefromTn_> it is quite nice tho.
[16:55:42] <PetefromTn_> will keep me from slinging this large piece of drop around the outside of this plate across the machine hopefully LOL.
[16:56:31] <PetefromTn_> Don't feel like milling away the entirety of this funky shape from solid will take too long and who knows maybe I can find something to do with the drop pieces they are half inch thick.
[16:57:17] <jymmm> ssi: JB Weld
[16:57:26] <ssi> jymmm: for?
[16:57:36] <jymmm> 5mm to 1/4"
[16:57:36] <PetefromTn_> goes with the midol...
[16:57:39] <ssi> heheh
[16:57:55] <ssi> 1.35mm is a hell of a lot of clearance to take up with jbweld :P
[16:58:12] <ssi> I got these 3/16" pulleys mounted
[16:58:16] <ssi> they're a little wobbly, but it'll do
[16:58:19] <PetefromTn_> throw those bitches in that nice lathe and get er done man...
[16:58:22] <ssi> I think they might actually be 10 tooth pulleys
[16:58:31] <ssi> PetefromTn_: lathe isn't working cause you won't come help me fix it ;)
[16:58:47] <ssi> 10 tooth pulleys further doubles my resolution
[16:58:49] <PetefromTn_> Oh I will fix it right onto my trailer and haul that monster home LOL...
[16:59:03] <ssi> so between the 400 step motors and the 10 tooth pulleys, I should be down to 0.002"/step
[16:59:27] <PetefromTn_> before or after microstepping?
[16:59:32] <ssi> before
[16:59:38] <PetefromTn_> cool.
[16:59:45] <ssi> and I can microstep up to 128 :P
[17:00:07] <ssi> so what is that, 15 microinch? :P
[17:00:28] <PetefromTn_> I want you to burn me a huge Bronco emblem into some plastic so I can put it in my shop LOL...
[17:00:39] <ssi> haha ok
[17:00:57] <ssi> I think I might have to make the first project be the obligatory "do not stare into beam with remaining eye" sign for the shop
[17:01:22] <PetefromTn_> how about if you can see this it wil be the last time...
[17:01:43] <PetefromTn_> or maybe don't go into the light carol anne..
[17:02:33] <PetefromTn_> how about no officer I don't have any idea why my neighbors house burst into flames hehehe
[17:03:14] <ssi> I wonder if I actually could set my neighbor's house on fire with the laser
[17:03:17] <ssi> that's sorta intriguing
[17:03:17] <ssi> haha
[17:03:20] <PetefromTn_> and how did I get this burn hole in my crotch...
[17:03:47] <PetefromTn_> I got a million of em. just ask me LOL
[17:04:20] <ssi> gah I'm hungry... what's for dinner?
[17:04:48] <PetefromTn_> We are making some mussels Marinara with pasta
[17:05:15] <ssi> sweet brt
[17:05:16] <PetefromTn_> Dacia made the Sauce yesterday it was pretty tasty!
[17:06:41] <PetefromTn_> Speaking of which I gotta get that stuff ready here. I also need to finish this damn program and get it ready to mill. Gonna clamp the part down first then drill and then bolt to fixture. Wish me luck man I NEED it.
[17:06:55] <ssi> haha good luck
[17:07:21] <PetefromTn_> I like the show cut widths feature of CamBam it saves my bacon a lot.
[17:07:48] <PetefromTn_> especially when I put the lead in in the wrong spot which is kinda easy to do in CamBam.
[17:12:16] <PetefromTn_> Connor Hey man is there a way to transfer tabs from one machining operation to the next?
[17:14:32] <zeeshan> found another mistake in this part this guy made
[17:14:37] <zeeshan> he drilled the bolt circle wrong
[17:14:51] <zeeshan> :{
[17:14:55] <PetefromTn_> ya sure you are not "THIS GUY"
[17:14:58] <zeeshan> no
[17:15:06] <zeeshan> i dont make stupid mistakes like that
[17:15:09] <PetefromTn_> just checkin man hehehe
[17:15:21] <PetefromTn_> EVERYBODY makes stupid mistakes man...
[17:15:26] <zeeshan> my mistakes consist of dyslexia
[17:15:31] <zeeshan> thats about it
[17:15:35] <zeeshan> but im consistent
[17:15:36] <zeeshan> haha
[17:15:52] <zeeshan> 2.625 ?
[17:15:53] <PetefromTn_> I'm consistent too... I CONSISTENLY screw up stuff
[17:15:55] <zeeshan> 2.652!
[17:15:56] <zeeshan> :)
[17:16:09] <zeeshan> the rule of machining is
[17:16:12] <zeeshan> double check double check!
[17:16:16] <zeeshan> if im doing bolt circles
[17:16:19] <zeeshan> ill always bust out the ruler
[17:16:22] <zeeshan> just to double check
[17:16:31] <t12> mistakes can actively evade double checks
[17:16:34] <zeeshan> this guy is out by 1.118"
[17:16:34] <PetefromTn_> I usually spot drill and check the positions.
[17:16:35] <t12> for example if you double check the pattern
[17:16:38] <zeeshan> not sure how that happens
[17:16:42] <t12> your drawing dimensions are instead wrong
[17:16:58] <zeeshan> i don't mean to sound cocky
[17:17:06] <zeeshan> but after doing 290381320912380932890 problems
[17:17:09] <PetefromTn_> Oh sure ya do..LOL
[17:17:23] <zeeshan> #1 rule is double/triple check work
[17:17:31] <zeeshan> like for example, some of our problems have a solution 3 pages long
[17:17:42] <zeeshan> if you make a mistake early on, it screws up the entire solution
[17:18:07] <zeeshan> so usually i read numbers forward and then backwards
[17:18:11] <zeeshan> then if im adding numbers
[17:18:20] <zeeshan> i'll subtract the answer from either of the numbers i added
[17:18:39] <zeeshan> its almost ADD
[17:19:07] <zeeshan> some of these profs are not lenient at all
[17:19:17] <zeeshan> if you scre wup in the beginingm, they'll mark the whole question wrong
[17:19:28] <zeeshan> but some of them will cary on your mistake and see if you arrive at the right answer using your numbers
[17:19:31] <ssi> good for them
[17:19:47] <ssi> I hate the whole "it's not the answer that counts, it's how you solved the problem" mentality
[17:19:50] <ssi> the answer's still wrong
[17:19:57] <ssi> you've still arrived at the wrong place
[17:20:03] <zeeshan> the ones that mark harsh usually write "if this was a bridge, people have died"
[17:20:04] <zeeshan> haha
[17:20:05] <ssi> you need to learn how to check your work, which it sounds like you've done :P
[17:20:16] <PetefromTn_> The last part I made working for that shop was a small steel bracket. I was being VERY Careful because it had several features on it. I still managed to machine some champfers on the bottom instead of the top. Basically lunched a half dozen parts and an entire days work.
[17:20:47] <zeeshan> im just pissed off cause
[17:20:53] <zeeshan> this other guy quit the masters program
[17:20:56] <zeeshan> a couple days ago
[17:21:11] <zeeshan> so all the work he was supposed to do
[17:21:14] <zeeshan> got thrown back at me
[17:21:16] <PetefromTn_> luckily I made a couple spare extras so we were not out anything really just time.
[17:21:37] <PetefromTn_> The drawing was plain to see but somehow I missed the forest for the trees.
[17:22:07] <PetefromTn_> What kills me is I stared at that drawing most of the damn day and still got it wrong. WHAT A JACKASS!
[17:22:10] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/mHZ89
[17:22:11] <zeeshan> er
[17:22:19] <zeeshan> whoops :)
[17:22:35] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: more coffee!
[17:22:35] <zeeshan> :]
[17:23:21] <PetefromTn_> Unfortunately I am not a coffee drinker.
[17:23:25] <zeeshan> the holes hje made for press fitting dowels
[17:23:29] <zeeshan> are -.002 undersize
[17:23:35] <zeeshan> so its a clearance fit, not a press fit
[17:23:45] <PetefromTn_> hell just smash em in there..
[17:23:46] <zeeshan> i actually fixed that by using loctite!
[17:23:48] <zeeshan> no
[17:23:49] <zeeshan> its a clearance
[17:23:50] <ssi> loctite green
[17:23:51] <zeeshan> so they slide in
[17:23:51] <ssi> :D
[17:23:55] <zeeshan> i used loctite red
[17:23:57] <zeeshan> its all i had
[17:24:08] <alexchally> zeeshan, are you at a university?
[17:24:17] <zeeshan> alexchally: yes
[17:24:25] <alexchally> ME?
[17:24:29] <zeeshan> yes
[17:24:51] <alexchally> nice, I am an ME as well, also one of the machinists/engineers in our science support shop.
[17:25:05] <zeeshan> which university?
[17:25:10] <alexchally> Portland State
[17:25:14] <zeeshan> nice
[17:25:25] <alexchally> you?
[17:25:30] <zeeshan> mcmaster
[17:25:33] <zeeshan> near toronto
[17:25:39] <alexchally> so fancy
[17:25:57] <alexchally> I wish I got a fancy ring when I graduated :/
[17:26:04] <zeeshan> im just venting about a project me and another graduate student were working on
[17:26:09] <zeeshan> which he screwed machining wise
[17:26:10] <zeeshan> :)
[17:26:25] <zeeshan> you guys dont get a ring in the states?
[17:26:36] <alexchally> nope
[17:26:42] <zeeshan> do you have any other symbol that is supposed to remind you of your obligation?
[17:26:47] <alexchally> no order of the engineer, no iron ring...
[17:26:55] <alexchally> zeeshan: the threat of a lawsuit?
[17:26:59] <zeeshan> hahah
[17:27:17] <alexchally> i would actually love to machine myself one, but it seems kinda... douchey?
[17:27:37] <zeeshan> it's kind of cool to have
[17:27:54] <zeeshan> i was in the middle of no where (outskirts of thunder bay ontario) at a bar
[17:28:09] <zeeshan> and an older engineer recognized the ring and he had one too
[17:28:10] <zeeshan> and we chatter
[17:28:12] <zeeshan> *chatted
[17:29:18] <alexchally> zeeshan: the only thing is I would feel really uncomfortable wearing jewlery in the shop... that shit is how you get your finger cut off
[17:29:27] <alexchally> ...says the man with a gigantic beard
[17:29:45] <zeeshan> yep, i always take it off when working on a machine
[17:30:17] <zeeshan> also it sucks if you're not a ring type of person
[17:30:21] <zeeshan> i never used to wear one
[17:30:27] <zeeshan> so it took a couple of months to get used to it
[17:30:58] <zeeshan> alexchally: do you help the science students machine their projects?
[17:32:08] <alexchally> zeeshan, yes. I spend about 80% of my time designing/machining parts for professors and graduate students, and the other 20% teaching people how to use machine tools and the like
[17:32:56] <alexchally> zeeshan: imgur.com/a/hgmcm#0
[17:33:00] <alexchally> a few things I have made
[17:33:04] <alexchally> but by no means all of them
[17:33:20] <zeeshan> looks like a tensile test specimen
[17:33:21] <zeeshan> :)
[17:33:36] <zeeshan> the first one
[17:34:00] <alexchally> just about everything does when you pull on it hard enough :D
[17:34:04] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RUu3oNO.jpg
[17:34:09] <zeeshan> that is a nice clamp.
[17:34:12] <alexchally> but yeah, that was for scooping some nasty something
[17:35:14] <alexchally> zeeshan: thanks! I took step by step pictures of it being made, used it as a project for my last machining class imgur.com/a/hgmcm#0
[17:35:18] <alexchally> errr
[17:35:22] <alexchally> http://imgur.com/a/ocxkc#0
[17:35:28] <ssi> home/limit switches are always the most tedious part of any machine build
[17:36:01] <zeeshan> ssi i dont have any home / limit switches
[17:36:01] <zeeshan> :D
[17:36:09] <zeeshan> my machine work space is technically 12x36
[17:36:15] <zeeshan> but ive set ot to 100x100
[17:36:16] <zeeshan> :D
[17:36:22] <zeeshan> i will have a bad crash one day
[17:36:58] <ssi> yeah I didn't have limits on the plasma table for years
[17:37:02] <ssi> but laser is getting them up front
[17:37:26] <ssi> hey guys anyone know offhand how to use halrun or something to dump all the pins on a hm2 device?
[17:38:21] <ssi> halrun show all works for me, but it's not working for k6mle-CNC and I suspect it's because linuxcnc isn't already running for him
[17:39:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/iavYTAu.jpg
[17:39:10] <zeeshan> nice
[17:39:16] <zeeshan> i didnt think of setting up like that
[17:39:20] <zeeshan> ive always used wedges
[17:39:25] <zeeshan> or whatever you call them
[17:39:34] <zeeshan> premachined triangles
[17:39:55] <ssi> yea I have some of those
[17:39:59] <alexchally> i would call them precision triangles. or angle blocks
[17:40:08] <ssi> a 30/60/90 and a 45/45/90
[17:40:08] <PCW> halcmd needs linuxcnc running
[17:40:09] <PCW> halrun doesn't
[17:40:21] <alexchally> zeeshan, its a super quick way when +-1deg is all you need
[17:40:32] <zeeshan> alexchally: looks like it!
[17:40:36] <alexchally> for when a sine bar is overkill :D
[17:40:52] <ssi> PCW: thx
[17:41:04] <zeeshan> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/A1XSrodB9oL.jpg
[17:41:06] <zeeshan> thats what i has
[17:41:28] <ssi> his hm2 driver seems like it might be diffeernt than mine
[17:41:41] <ssi> I have a hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.xx.enable, he doesn't seem to
[17:41:45] <ssi> at least it's complaining about it
[17:42:19] <ssi> oh nm i think i see his issue
[17:42:43] <PCW> halrun
[17:42:45] <PCW> halcmd: loadrt hostmot2
[17:42:46] <PCW> halcmd: loadrt hm2_pci
[17:51:25] <PetefromTn_> Hope this works LOL.
[17:59:25] <k6mle-CNC> PCW: in my debug info, I'm also getting "Can not find -sec EMC - var NML_FILE -num 1"
[18:00:40] <PCW> try this
[18:00:42] <PCW> halrun
[18:00:44] <PCW> halcmd: loadrt hostmot2
[18:00:46] <PCW> halcmd: loadrt hm2_pci
[18:00:47] <PCW> halcmd: show all
[18:03:02] <k6mle-CNC> PCW: Okay ... did that ...
[18:03:51] <PCW> no complaints?
[18:04:19] <k6mle-CNC> Not sure what a complaint would look like ...
[18:04:31] <k6mle-CNC> I see component pins, etc
[18:05:49] <k6mle-CNC> Shall I use pastbin?
[18:06:12] <ssi> paste your hal and ini files
[18:06:31] <k6mle-CNC> along with the output from show all?
[18:06:39] <ssi> sure
[18:06:48] <k6mle-CNC> okay ... just a sec ...
[18:07:16] <PCW> so the hardware/linuxcnc are working you likely have hal/ini file issues (or wrong firmware)
[18:07:30] <ssi> yeah that's what we're trying to sort out
[18:07:52] <ssi> I have no idea where "Can not find -sec EMC - var NML_FILE -num 1" is coming from
[18:08:03] <k6mle-CNC> http://pastebin.com/aFw9LtwU
[18:08:07] <k6mle-CNC> show all output
[18:08:38] <ssi> yea that looks fine
[18:09:13] <k6mle-CNC> http://pastebin.com/wmcbuy2d
[18:09:17] <k6mle-CNC> HAL file
[18:09:58] <k6mle-CNC> http://pastebin.com/ffrgB2N2
[18:10:03] <k6mle-CNC> INI file.
[18:10:41] <ssi> ok what about RCSG540A.hal, custom.hal, and custom_postgui.hal?
[18:10:44] <ssi> your ini is loading those
[18:11:03] <k6mle-CNC> I can post those as well ... just a sec ....
[18:11:50] <k6mle-CNC> custom.hal is empty ... just a pair of comments.
[18:12:00] <ssi> ok
[18:12:06] <ssi> it's mostly the first one I'm concerned about
[18:12:59] <k6mle-CNC> The 2nd link is the Hal file RCSG540A
[18:13:24] <ssi> oh ok
[18:13:48] <k6mle-CNC> custom_postgui.hal has a pair of comments along with this: sets spindle-at-speed true
[18:14:01] <ssi> well there's where that problem's coming from
[18:14:02] <k6mle-CNC> I control the spindle speed manually on this unit.
[18:14:09] <k6mle-CNC> :)
[18:14:22] <ssi> comment that out for now
[18:14:39] <k6mle-CNC> just did that ...
[18:14:50] <ssi> k retry
[18:15:12] <k6mle-CNC> it came up with no errors ... now I'll turn on the power to the driver ...
[18:17:26] <k6mle-CNC> Okay ... I'm running a small chunk of gcode that just moves along the Y axis for .5" up and back ... in a loop ...
[18:17:36] <k6mle-CNC> getting an occaisonal missed DIR
[18:17:42] <k6mle-CNC> not as bad as before ...
[18:18:10] <ssi> that's really strange
[18:18:52] <k6mle-CNC> I've not done anything with the little pots on the G540 yet ... will that effect it?
[18:19:48] <ssi> that i don't know
[18:20:14] <k6mle-CNC> hmm
[18:25:10] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, so now I am trying to get my output working, but am getting an error after I uncommented everything that had to do with 3pwmgen
[18:25:12] <alexchally_cnc> http://pastebin.com/FgQ3z3kw
[18:25:16] <alexchally_cnc> thats my .hal
[18:25:52] <alexchally_cnc> the error is on line 82: pin hm2_5i23.0.3pwmgen.00.A-value.enable does not exist
[18:26:32] <PCW> thats correct
[18:26:40] <PCW> no such pin
[18:27:32] <k6mle-CNC> PCW: getting an occaisional missed DIR, but not as bad as before ...
[18:27:48] <PCW> bad G540?
[18:27:55] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, ok, any thoughts on how I might get from where I am to where I would like to be?
[18:28:24] <k6mle-CNC> the G540 is brand new ...
[18:28:25] <PCW> do halcmd, show pin and use only what you have :-)
[18:29:27] <PCW> well if thye G540 doesnt follow the DIR signal I would suspect it
[18:29:57] <PCW> Should never happen
[18:30:32] <k6mle-CNC> okay ... I'll try the folks at Gecko tomorrow ...
[18:30:52] <PCW> maybe there are other issues (mechanics?)
[18:31:33] <k6mle-CNC> Not sure it's a mechanical issue, as the mill was working fine (albeit slower) with the old driver ...
[18:32:09] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, when I try halcmd show pin I get: RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (errno=2)
[18:32:09] <alexchally_cnc> Segmentation fault
[18:32:41] <PCW> alexchally_cnc note that the three phase pwmgen only has one enable per 3 pwmgens
[18:32:54] <PCW> linuxcnc has to be running
[18:33:04] <PCW> (for halcmd)
[18:33:22] <PCW> (or the realtime needs to be setup somehow)
[18:34:24] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, but I can't get linuxcnc to run because I need the info from that command?
[18:34:39] <alexchally_cnc> or am I missing something? I feel like I am missing something
[18:35:09] <k6mle-CNC> alex: try halrun from the command line.
[18:35:26] <alexchally_cnc> k6mle-CNC, such success
[18:35:34] <PCW> OK
[18:35:36] <PCW> halrun
[18:35:38] <PCW> halcmd: loadrt hostmot2
[18:35:40] <PCW> halcmd: loadrt hm2_pci
[18:35:42] <PCW> halcmd: show all
[18:35:57] <k6mle-CNC> That's how I got around the same problem!
[18:36:15] <ssi> hehehe
[18:36:18] <ssi> we're all learning today :)
[18:36:25] <k6mle-CNC> dang!
[18:36:54] <zeeshan> i have a 24"x24" 14 gauge sheet of steel
[18:37:12] <zeeshan> i need to drill 120mm holes
[18:37:16] <zeeshan> suggestion? :)
[18:37:22] <alexchally_cnc> hole saw
[18:37:24] <zeeshan> i was thinkin
[18:37:25] <zeeshan> yes
[18:37:33] <zeeshan> but i'm not sure how i'll hold it down
[18:37:34] <ssi> plasma :P
[18:37:36] <zeeshan> my drill press table is kind of small
[18:37:42] <alexchally_cnc> double stick on top of wood?
[18:37:43] <zeeshan> i have plasma
[18:37:48] <zeeshan> but no circlecutting attachment
[18:37:52] <ssi> CNC plasma :)
[18:37:53] <alexchally_cnc> zeeshan, isn't holding it what undergrads are for?
[18:38:01] <zeeshan> alexchally_cnc: haha
[18:38:04] <zeeshan> i'm doing this at home
[18:38:31] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UcxpeZO.jpg
[18:38:34] <zeeshan> on the right drill press
[18:38:48] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, ok, that worked, i now have a list of things, but I am not sure how to turn that list of things into a working hal
[18:38:52] <zeeshan> i usually like to clamp stuff down good when using a hole saw
[18:38:54] <zeeshan> cause its violent
[18:38:59] <ssi> yes, it is
[18:39:06] <zeeshan> hehe
[18:39:26] <alexchally_cnc> if you have a welder you could tack it down to something easier to hold onto
[18:39:51] <alexchally_cnc> actually, I would do it with a hand drill while standing on the thing
[18:40:06] <alexchally_cnc> if you have something sacrificial to put under it, like say a pallet
[18:40:28] <k6mle-CNC> pallet --- better than an undergrad! :)
[18:40:29] <zeeshan> got a couple of 2xx4
[18:40:37] <zeeshan> i like the standing idea
[18:40:46] <PCW> first thing is consider is that you only have one enable per three pwm outputs so you need to delete some stuff
[18:40:53] <zeeshan> lemme try it out
[18:43:49] <alexchally_cnc> PCW, ok, the lines net emcmot.00.enable => hm2_5i23.0.3pwmgen.00.A-value.enable have been commented out for all three axis
[18:44:26] <alexchally_cnc> now its unhappy with... setp hm2_5i23.0.3pwmgen.00.A-value.output-type 1 #pwm on pin1, dir on pin2
[18:44:38] <alexchally_cnc> "parameter or pin not found"
[18:44:48] <PCW> thats not a pin from your list...
[18:45:02] <PCW> copy paste from your list
[18:48:25] <alexchally_cnc> ahhh, the full list had run off the top
[18:48:45] <PCW> there is no output type for 3pwmgens
[18:49:37] <PCW> and the enable for three channe;ls is probably like
[18:49:39] <PCW> net emcmot.00.enable => hm2_5i23.0.3pwmgen.00.enable
[18:50:28] <PCW> (thats the enable for pwm.00 A,B,C)
[19:07:20] <ssi> http://www.autofocus.ca/media/5kfyb9i6n5ag3r/source/06_turbonique-Rocket.jpg?t=6006364ba32a3c2cee500b65b68127e7
[19:07:23] <ssi> holy crap i want that
[19:09:32] <XXCoder> random thought
[19:09:40] <XXCoder> robot arm using CNC parts?
[19:09:58] <ssi> um
[19:10:00] <ssi> cnc machines are robots
[19:10:03] <ssi> just specialized ones :
[19:10:15] <XXCoder> I know, but how adoptable is software anyway
[19:10:21] <ssi> plenty
[19:10:39] <XXCoder> interesting. was it actually real motor?
[19:10:45] <ssi> ya
[19:11:45] <XXCoder> http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2009/06/turbonique-advertising-turbo-axle-and.html
[19:11:47] <syyl_> i saw a kuka robot with a jaeger highspeed spindle on a trade show a few years ago
[19:11:49] <syyl_> machining foam
[19:18:54] <XXCoder1> syyl_: robot arm?
[19:19:05] <syyl_> yes
[19:19:10] <XXCoder1> cool
[19:19:19] <CaptHindsight> ssi: did you give up on the parker servos?
[19:19:34] <syyl_> looked kinda flimsy
[19:19:36] <XXCoder1> think robot arm cnc with "5th axis" rotation of stock would make for amazing cnc
[19:19:41] <ssi> CaptHindsight: no I just haven't gotten to them yet
[19:19:46] <syyl_> even as it was a pretty massive kuka
[19:19:51] <ssi> they're not going on the laser table, waaaay too big for that
[19:22:29] <ssi> CaptHindsight: i'm gonna have to look up the parts for the funky front panel connectors on the geminis and order them
[19:22:47] <syyl_> i want that turbine rear axle :(
[19:22:53] <ssi> you and me both, buddy
[19:23:05] <XXCoder1> cnc it
[19:23:10] <syyl_> hmm
[19:23:20] <syyl_> of want also a turbine driven front axle
[19:23:37] <XXCoder1> nahh 4 wheels all turbine driven lol
[19:23:42] <syyl_> :D
[19:24:21] <XXCoder1> I'd name that car fearnocop because it'd be too damn fast
[19:24:53] <syyl_> or you could gear it down massively
[19:24:59] <syyl_> and buld a nice rock crawler ;)
[19:26:03] <CaptHindsight> ssi: might be AMP CHAMP .050 Series II 2-175677-7
[19:27:11] <CaptHindsight> ssi: and the 2-175677-4 for the 26 pin
[19:27:38] <CaptHindsight> backshells are sold separately
[19:28:44] <CaptHindsight> there are also 26 pin and 50 pin breakout connectors/modules GC-26 and GC-50
[19:35:39] <ssi> looks about right
[19:35:46] <ssi> also looks hard to get in single qty :/
[20:09:21] <fenugrec> Hi guys; I'm setting up a system that talks to a PLC via Modbus for a lot of stuff. One of these things is a kind of keep-alive handshake : PLC sends 1, PC responds with 1; PLC sends 0, PC responds with 0. This needs to happen at least every 500ms. Am I better of doing this in CL or with the ModbusToHal userspace module ?
[20:10:18] <jdh> CL would be pretty trivial
[20:11:09] <jdh> do both sides need to detect loss?
[20:11:17] <fenugrec> yeah, only thing keeping me back is in the docs they say "modbus is not fully finished" etc..
[20:11:45] <jdh> that will be true regardless of doing it in CL or HAL
[20:12:41] <fenugrec> as it is, the PLC does the timing (like a 2-state watchdog) and on expiry, stops the spindle, coolant and toolchanger.
[20:12:58] <fenugrec> I'm considering maybe wiring the stepper driver's Enable signal to the PLC as well
[20:13:33] <fenugrec> and when it expires, one modbus register is set to 1 ("Re-sync required")
[20:13:58] <fenugrec> it's not terribly robust but will guard against a lot of incidents
[20:14:06] <jdh> and perhaps induce others.
[20:14:13] <jdh> like, crashing a part for a comm error
[20:15:29] <jdh> serial or ethernet?
[20:16:19] <fenugrec> rs232 RTU. I'm thinking how any comm error can be safely handled... The spindle definitely needs to be stopped
[20:18:21] <jdh> 5 or 6 years ago I build libmodbus on a VMS system. The code was all clean and compiled nicely. It's been running ever since then (TCP though)
[20:19:02] <fenugrec> and the axes too. How would you handle comm errors ?
[20:19:30] <jdh> loss of handshake is loss, regardless of reason?
[20:20:33] <fenugrec> yes
[20:22:40] <fenugrec> maybe "watchdog" would be a better term for what the PLC is doing. In fact, I'm wondering what's the advantage of a ping/pong exchange
[20:24:16] <zeeshan> holesaw success
[20:24:44] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtMM-PhIEAAm7ml.jpg:large
[20:24:48] <ssi> cable chain restraint works
[20:24:54] <ssi> but I'm gonna have to add two more of them to the left
[20:24:55] <zeeshan> nice
[20:25:01] <zeeshan> where do you buy that stuff?
[20:25:03] <zeeshan> is it expensive?
[20:25:05] <ssi> what, the cable chain?
[20:25:09] <zeeshan> yea
[20:25:13] <jdh> I usually add a watchdog to computer/PLC systems. one side sets a bit, the other resets... if it stays set, it triggers
[20:25:15] <ssi> it's very expensive retail, I got this on ebay
[20:25:24] <zeeshan> how much :D
[20:25:31] <ssi> I had to weld that little u shaped "hat" on there to keep it from looping up too high
[20:25:35] <ssi> $10 per 40" lenght
[20:25:41] <zeeshan> how much is retail
[20:25:44] <zeeshan> like 300?
[20:25:44] <zeeshan> :p
[20:25:48] <ssi> $19/ft I think?
[20:25:51] <zeeshan> oh
[20:25:51] <fenugrec> jdh: I'd show you my ladder, only I would need to reboot to Win to take a screenshot
[20:26:14] <fenugrec> jdh: it sounds a lot like what you describe. Hang on, I have a second computa
[20:26:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Anc38ZE.jpg
[20:26:22] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/152924/1406029827482.gif
[20:26:38] <ssi> wait no the closed stuff is way more
[20:26:40] <ssi> $33/ft?
[20:26:41] <ssi> jesus
[20:26:51] <zeeshan> damn
[20:27:05] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/152923/1406029767060.gif
[20:27:16] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/dQ7zvSh.jpg
[20:27:21] <zeeshan> ^ fancy stencil
[20:27:21] <jdh> I got a cheap HF, it broke on the last hole.
[20:27:30] <zeeshan> for marking specimens/configuring cameras
[20:27:30] <jdh> they gave me a new one, still haven't used it.
[20:28:05] <jdh> HF punch set
[20:28:13] <humble_sea_bass> THAT STENCIL LOOKS LIKE MY old lettering guide
[20:28:21] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: pics
[20:28:34] <zeeshan> =D
[20:28:52] <jdh> did you have an electric eraser too, or did that come later?
[20:29:11] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.amazon.com/Alvin-L666-Lettering-Guide-L-666/dp/B001DNAHRO
[20:29:14] <ssi> no I'm sorry i misread
[20:29:26] <humble_sea_bass> cool ppl use rubber steadler erasers
[20:29:28] <ssi> $12.47/ft
[20:29:30] <humble_sea_bass> all else is piss
[20:29:43] <ssi> still too damn much
[20:29:52] <zeeshan> is it a bunch of plastic links
[20:29:53] <zeeshan> or just metal
[20:29:59] <ssi> it's all plastic
[20:30:01] <zeeshan> oh
[20:30:15] <zeeshan> you shoulda 3d printed one
[20:30:15] <zeeshan> :D
[20:30:18] <ssi> I did
[20:30:21] <zeeshan> haha
[20:30:22] <ssi> it was just taking too long
[20:30:23] <zeeshan> nice.
[20:30:33] <ssi> and the injection molded stuff snaps together better
[20:30:53] <PCW> funny thing is the times via the USB/Enet adapter are longer but theres less jitter than via the 8111 direct
[20:31:12] <PCW> 2KHz still ticking along
[20:31:56] <PCW> oops wrong window
[20:34:40] <ssi> gah I have to go back downstairs and weld up two more of these and my motivates are lacking
[20:34:56] <fenugrec> jdh: http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=18490
[20:35:31] <fenugrec> R208 is set by the PC
[20:36:37] <fenugrec> R12 is the echo back to PC. But it doesn't matter if the PC sends the right ping or pong in sequence... I could hook up a signal generator at >2Hz and it would stay handshaked
[20:37:22] <jdh> got a spare digital out on the PC?
[20:37:39] <fenugrec> a few on the LPT port yeah
[20:38:07] <jdh> run one to the PLC
[20:38:24] <fenugrec> eee pins on the PLC are running scarce
[20:40:37] <fenugrec> The guy that did the retrofit run the limit switches through Modbus. I find that mental, but it means I need to supervise the modbus link
[20:40:53] <fenugrec> in any case.
[20:41:05] <jdh> I ran across some wireless limit switches today
[20:41:11] <fenugrec> !
[20:46:08] <fenugrec> So, if there's a comm error I'm pretty much screwed anyway. Stopping the axes and spindle seems to be the only safe behavior
[20:46:52] <fenugrec> it's going to happen in CL then
[20:49:52] <jdh> put mostly the same logic in CL
[20:50:18] <fenugrec> (yay ! My new-old 10GB HDD is behaving now. 12us max jitter p-)))
[20:53:56] <XXCoder1> http://www.instructables.com/id/6-AXIS-ROBOTIC-ARM/
[20:56:17] <fenugrec> uh... modbus rs232 settings in CL are hardcoded as 8N1 ??
[21:02:22] <XXCoder1> ah found that kura machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwzwzobO5rs
[21:10:21] * fenugrec runs, but will live to fight another day !
[22:15:16] <ssi> need a file :/
[22:15:48] <tjb1> Free iphone 5 case from Fluke - http://en-us.fluke.com/products/contests-and-promotions/connect-app-and-free-case.html?utm_source=FACEBOOK&utm_medium=POST&utm_content=AD&utm_campaign=FCPROMOCASE
[22:17:56] <XXCoder> "yay"
[22:18:17] <tjb1> It's free
[22:18:24] <tjb1> Take or leave, just informing :)
[22:18:33] <XXCoder> "take"
[22:18:36] <XXCoder> ;)
[22:18:54] <ssi> cute
[22:19:13] <zeeshan> thank u
[22:19:20] <XXCoder> I know no iphone owner nerd enough want it
[22:19:30] <XXCoder> or engineer enough
[22:19:32] <XXCoder> whatever
[22:19:36] <ssi> I would want it
[22:19:37] <ssi> but I have a 5s
[22:19:38] <ssi> er
[22:19:39] <ssi> 4s
[22:19:51] <tjb1> They said on facebook they were looking to add more phones
[22:19:52] <XXCoder> I has epic 4g android phone lol
[22:19:53] <jdh> buy a new phone for it
[22:19:57] <XXCoder> its pushing 4 years old
[22:20:09] <zeeshan> i have a 4s and 5s
[22:20:13] <zeeshan> i still use the 4s
[22:20:18] <zeeshan> fak the 5s gayness
[22:20:25] <zeeshan> its too big to fit in my pocket
[22:20:27] <zeeshan> whyd they make it bigger
[22:20:29] <tjb1> I'm waiting for 6 :)
[22:20:35] <XXCoder> 5s = shit editiomn. 5c = china edition
[22:20:45] <XXCoder> which means pretty much same thing
[22:21:15] <tjb1> Sapphire glass front on 6 supposedly
[22:21:34] <XXCoder> article says its likely sapphire on glass
[22:21:43] <ssi> i'm also waiting for 6
[22:21:51] <ssi> I hope it's sapphire front
[22:21:52] <zeeshan> are they making it smaller?
[22:21:54] <ssi> because i own stock in the company that makes it
[22:22:02] <ssi> the sapphire glass I mean
[22:22:04] <XXCoder> injectable iphone :P
[22:22:30] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9mxgik8n22mu9ln/2014-07-22%2022.09.57.jpg ;)
[22:23:10] <XXCoder> drat no funny picture on injectable iphone
[22:23:13] <XXCoder> quick someone make one
[22:24:20] <tjb1> The start of new control case
[22:24:28] <XXCoder> cool
[22:25:05] <tjb1> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/25901-diy-cnc-plasma-table-lots-of-pictures
[22:25:30] <ssi> am I missing something, or is there only one field ground terminal on the whole 7i76?
[22:25:34] <jdh> no a/c vent?
[22:27:37] <PetefromTn_> Damn program was doing so good right up until I forgot to put a high enough clearance plain for the bolt hold downs to clear the cutter. I was running it slow the first time so It was no drama but now I gotta tweak the program.
[22:27:57] <ssi> woops
[22:28:11] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:28:14] <PetefromTn_> Been doing pretty good lately with first time dry runs working correctly.
[22:28:25] <PetefromTn_> no crash or anything.
[22:28:33] <zeeshan> are you writing the code by hand?
[22:28:36] <PetefromTn_> I had the rapids turned way down like I do on any virgin code.
[22:28:39] <PetefromTn_> hell no.
[22:28:48] <zeeshan> how did you not catch the crash then?
[22:28:55] <PetefromTn_> it ALMOST Cleared...
[22:29:01] <PetefromTn_> there was no crash....
[22:29:11] <zeeshan> whats the problem then
[22:29:17] <tjb1> new bolt type?
[22:29:23] <XXCoder> so your model and realty almost was same, just bolt is bit higher?
[22:29:25] <tjb1> special clearance bolt?
[22:29:28] <XXCoder> *real bolt
[22:29:29] <PetefromTn_> like I said I just put too low a clearance plain and the cutter would have crashed had I not been careful.
[22:29:42] <zeeshan> so
[22:29:44] <zeeshan> it was gonna crash
[22:29:48] <zeeshan> why did your cam software not pick that up
[22:29:49] <PetefromTn_> sure.
[22:29:53] <zeeshan> when generating the tool path
[22:29:59] <PetefromTn_> but it didn't because of my methods.
[22:30:21] <PetefromTn_> pick what up?
[22:30:30] <PetefromTn_> I just put too low a clearance plane.
[22:30:32] <zeeshan> the fact that the tool path was crossing through your work piece
[22:30:42] <zeeshan> that doesnt matter
[22:30:46] <PetefromTn_> it was not crossing thru workpiece just hold downs.
[22:31:02] <zeeshan> oh
[22:31:07] <zeeshan> you dont put your hole downs in the model?
[22:31:10] <zeeshan> *hold
[22:31:17] <PetefromTn_> It is my fault for not putting in an adequate clearance plane number.
[22:32:05] <PetefromTn_> not for this it is just a simple plate but I clamp it first on the edges, spot drill, drill, then mill the holes and counterbores. then I bolt thru the same holes into the fixture.
[22:32:29] <zeeshan> i dunno. i personally like to throw in everything
[22:32:32] <zeeshan> that way theres no suprises
[22:32:38] <zeeshan> (in the assembly)
[22:32:46] <PetefromTn_> this is not some fancy 3d nor is it an assembly.
[22:32:56] <PetefromTn_> the drawing was a simple DXF.
[22:33:01] <PetefromTn_> It is just a plate man.
[22:33:12] <zeeshan> i do everything in 3rd :D
[22:33:15] <zeeshan> *3D
[22:33:33] <PetefromTn_> simple as hell but I just missed that clearance setting on one of the machining ops.
[22:33:36] <zeeshan> like technically the lathe is a 2d process
[22:33:44] <PetefromTn_> Other than that it is perfect so far.
[22:33:46] <zeeshan> but i view it in 3d so i can see the chuck jaws
[22:33:53] <zeeshan> and live center
[22:34:10] <zeeshan> well the live center is also 2d :P
[22:34:14] <zeeshan> but mainly chuck
[22:34:15] <PetefromTn_> I also have been trying to get in the habit of naming the operations so I can read it in the code window.
[22:34:36] <PetefromTn_> like telling me what is going on during the M0 I put in there and what to do so I don't forget anything.
[22:35:07] <zeeshan> yea i setup my post processor to tell me "tool information" "operation type"
[22:35:12] <PetefromTn_> I also put in notes to myself now in each program so when I go back and make another one a couple months down the road I don't have to try to remember everything.
[22:35:14] <zeeshan> and "spindle speed + feed"
[22:35:30] <zeeshan> cause it gets hard to diaognose otherwise
[22:35:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine has all that already.. I am talking about MY operations and things I have to do during the run.
[22:35:59] <PetefromTn_> like moving placing or removing clamps etc.
[22:36:14] <PetefromTn_> how to locate something or touch off something. etc.
[22:37:03] <PetefromTn_> I have made a bunch of nice parts on the machine over the last couple months and like right now I got an order from some Guys in France for some of the parts I made a couple months ago. I need to annotate what I did so I can recreate it without screwups.
[22:38:07] <PetefromTn_> Especially with those custom scope riser rails. There are four different styles of the same basic rail now and it got real easy to mess up between them for setups and things even tho they are almost identical really.
[22:39:31] <PetefromTn_> Well I think I got it sorted now. gotta get back out there and try to finish this part. Gotta make the top plate tomorrow which is the same but different LOL.
[22:40:16] <zeeshan> :D
[22:40:19] <PetefromTn_> Then I can finally take this prototype to the customer and HOPEFULLY he will order a bunch of em'... CROSSES FINGERS.
[22:55:07] <ssi> hopefully :)
[23:10:42] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: good luck mam
[23:10:44] <XXCoder> man
[23:23:50] <XXCoder> jeeeeeeeez overkill http://hackaday.io/project/1789
[23:48:23] <PetefromTn_> Well I managed to get that prototype machined tonight. Looks pretty nice so far.
[23:48:47] <PetefromTn_> Tomorrow I will try to machine the top mating plate and we then I can make the standoffs and we are in Bidness...
[23:57:43] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/3hmy9Qb,TTr07cl
[23:58:07] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/3hmy9Qb,TTr07cl#1
[23:58:22] <ssi> nice
[23:59:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah I realized that I did not need the tabs for it after I got it going. I may make another one tomorrow without the tabs beacuse they kinda mark the workpiece a touch at both sides.
[23:59:42] <PetefromTn_> Champfers came out nice I think.
[23:59:52] <zeeshan> looks nice
[23:59:52] <zeeshan> :D
[23:59:59] <PetefromTn_> does not look like much but it has been an all day thing LOL..