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[00:45:21] <q_p> ssi how much money you have invest in that cnc ??
[00:46:10] <XXCoder> couple mil
[00:46:32] <XXCoder> ssi: nice!
[00:46:35] <q_p> wow..!!
[00:46:47] <XXCoder> I do want to build some cnc that large someday :D
[00:56:51] <ssi> I'm probably at about $3000 so far
[00:56:59] <XXCoder> thats not too bad
[00:57:03] <XXCoder> whats major cost?
[00:57:19] <ssi> mostly extrusion, hardware, and lexan right now tbh :P
[00:57:28] <XXCoder> lol ok
[00:57:33] <ssi> $750 or so for motors, psu, drives, mesa gear
[00:57:39] <ssi> $600 for laser gear
[00:59:55] <ssi> working on wiring now
[00:59:55] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs4lnp8IUAITlXH.jpg:large
[01:00:06] <XXCoder> laser cutter right?>
[01:00:09] <ssi> yeah
[01:00:30] <XXCoder> man pretty tempted to "hire" you for some cnc work :P but nah no money lol
[01:00:34] <ssi> haha
[01:00:42] <ssi> wait and see if I get the damn thing working first ;)
[01:00:49] <XXCoder> nema 32?
[01:00:53] <ssi> 17
[01:01:11] <XXCoder> HUH
[01:01:20] <XXCoder> I use bigger motors nema23
[01:01:31] <ssi> me too, but not for this
[01:01:33] <XXCoder> but then laser dont need all that much power eh
[01:01:43] <ssi> nope
[01:01:48] <ssi> if it'll jog fast enough, it's enough power
[01:01:57] <ssi> and these 68oz motors at 48V should be just fine
[01:02:41] <XXCoder> nice
[01:03:32] <ssi> tired :/
[01:03:54] <XXCoder> because of late or lots issues>?
[01:04:05] <ssi> mostly because it's late
[01:04:12] <ssi> I want to get more wiring done
[01:04:14] <ssi> but I don't
[01:04:14] <ssi> :)
[01:04:19] <XXCoder> lol ok
[01:04:42] <XXCoder> I wish theres more local supply of exrusions
[01:04:48] <XXCoder> seattle is still quite far
[01:04:56] <ssi> I drive to mcmaster and pick it up
[01:05:07] <ssi> mostly because I'm impatient... they'd ship it, and everything is next day
[01:06:02] <XXCoder> lol ok
[01:13:23] <XXCoder> ohhh hardcore burn
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/5/9/5/250595.jpg?v=1
[01:13:37] <CaptHindsight> ssi: over time it will become more flexible and you can also add ramp to the left upper rail to push the chain down if that doesn't violate the minimum bend radius of whats in the chain
[01:20:49] <ssi> CaptHindsight: it's not the left side that's the problem it turns out, it's the back
[01:21:18] <ssi> the opening for the lid is the size of the bed, but the gantry actually runs back behind that, and when the head is on the right side and jogs to the rear, the chain hits the top
[01:21:32] <ssi> but I think it will break in
[01:21:39] <ssi> it's mostly the nylon tubing for the air assist causing the problem
[01:38:30] <JesusAlos> hi
[01:44:07] <zeeshan> man
[01:44:15] <zeeshan> this flight downing
[01:44:17] <zeeshan> is sad =/
[02:01:45] <Deejay> moin
[02:06:50] <JesusAlos> yep
[04:27:44] <JesusAlos> hi
[05:21:40] <jthornton> morning
[05:25:28] <JesusAlos> morning
[05:26:28] <JesusAlos> jthornton: i still looking for information about routhing algorithm
[05:27:11] <JesusAlos> thinking in create our own basic CAM software
[05:27:40] <JesusAlos> and don't have experience in route algorithm
[05:27:53] <JesusAlos> so need general documentation
[05:32:07] <jthornton> sorry but I don't understand your question at all
[05:33:34] <archivist> JesusAlos, just computerise what a manual user would do
[05:38:46] <JesusAlos> i need create a software to do this king of route:
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/DevFoam_11.png
[05:39:53] <JesusAlos> but need knowledge about the matematical models to implement
[05:40:18] <archivist> use trutype tracer, it is very close to that
[05:40:29] <archivist> truetype
[05:41:30] <JesusAlos> but need customised the code
[05:41:46] <JesusAlos> there are documentation?
[05:41:53] <archivist> http://timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
[05:42:09] <jthornton> what is a mathematical model?
[05:42:23] <jthornton> the letter shapes?
[05:43:54] <JesusAlos> mathematical models for create a new algorithm for create tool path or routes
[05:44:49] <archivist> truetype tracer does what you want though
[05:45:03] <jthornton> sorry but that sentence does not make any sense to me
[05:47:08] <archivist> language barrier
[05:47:08] <SpeedEvil> jthornton:
https://room538ccpp.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/equationgirls.jpg
[05:49:24] * jthornton probably won't follow a link to equationgirls.jpg
[05:50:40] <SpeedEvil> It contains no 'naughty bits' But it does contain pictures of girls backs
[05:51:41] <jthornton> probably contains no content related to the current language barrier conversation so a terrible waste of bandwidth for me
[05:52:31] <SpeedEvil> 'what are mathematical models'
[05:52:57] <archivist> SpeedEvil, when there is difficulty in the channel dont spam
[05:53:45] <JesusAlos> Sorry for my explains
[05:54:38] <SpeedEvil> It wasn't spam, it was related to the topic in what I thought was an amusing manner.
[05:54:46] <SpeedEvil> Apologies for any offence caused.
[05:56:10] <jthornton> JesusAlos, can you tell us what your trying to do in simple wording?
[05:56:12] <archivist> JesusAlos, I think is you read the trutype tracer source code you can get algorithms too
[05:56:18] <archivist> is/if
[05:56:52] <archivist> make cam for a foam cutter to cut outline text
[05:58:39] <jthornton> I assume then scalable letter size?
[05:58:52] <JesusAlos> archivist: yes need CAM for foam cutter 2 axis machine
[05:58:58] <JesusAlos> letther and shapes
[05:59:17] <SpeedEvil> Or any random laser cutter even.
[06:00:06] <JesusAlos> http://postimg.org/image/pd4alyvsz/
[06:00:53] <archivist> once you understand trutype tracer you can use that for the letters as a subroutine and shapes will be simple to do
[06:02:24] <JesusAlos> archivist: I go to try trutype. But in the future, my idea is develope our own software
[06:03:02] <archivist> yes I know, remember writing vectors to screen is the same as g1 to the machine
[06:04:55] <archivist> so if you can draw it you can trace it, the only " hard" part is deciding where to move from inner to outer of a shape
[06:05:04] <JesusAlos> so seek documentation to programming routes
[06:05:23] <archivist> and to cross from path to path avoiding wanted work
[06:05:47] <archivist> see books called "Graphics Gems"
[06:06:12] <archivist> full of algorithms including routing
[06:07:00] <archivist> you can download the books code
[06:10:54] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[06:10:59] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos:
[06:11:29] <JesusAlos> hi
[06:11:36] <IchGuckLive> you need a lookup list that makes you a start event at the letter on ascii code you become by coustem entry line
[06:11:50] <IchGuckLive> then from that you calculate your start points
[06:12:44] <IchGuckLive> thats how devfoam works
[06:13:15] <IchGuckLive> you can also make a funktion where you lookup the sketch loop where is topLeft
[06:13:59] <IchGuckLive> epand to half of linespace and make a virtuell startline on witch every char needs to start
[06:14:18] <IchGuckLive> as simple as it is we taked about the truetype trayer
[06:16:37] <IchGuckLive> CHARA Ascii-> lookupstartpoint table (TopLeft Mid Right ) get the TopLeft point of sketch generate start point towards entry and get it out then move to entry point move loop get to startpoint
[06:16:43] <IchGuckLive> process nextt char
[06:17:11] <jthornton> my guess is you won't find documentation on how to program other than studying other programs like TTT
[06:17:18] <IchGuckLive> 2 if and one array
[06:17:59] <archivist> jthornton, in that series of books I mentioned (I have 4 out of the 5)
[06:18:23] <IchGuckLive> devfoam uses the same algorithem as truetype tracer or Awallins opencamlib its oly closed software for profile
[06:18:28] <JesusAlos> I was thinking that there are a mathematical functions, like the open voronoid project
[06:18:58] <IchGuckLive> TTT is better to interact as it processes the loops like you need it
[06:20:04] <archivist> must get of with my V carve addon for ttt
[06:20:07] <IchGuckLive> ord('a') is all you need
[06:20:10] <archivist> get on
[06:21:22] <IchGuckLive> to get the ascii and with a lookup as you fix by chars the startpoint Best not to go for a minloop search
[06:21:42] <archivist> JesusAlos, as you are path following you dont want volume clearing like open voronoi
[06:22:47] <IchGuckLive> im off bye till the evening needed to jumpo in as plamas heat is to high and waterchange every hour on 55Deg C Shop temp
[06:22:50] <IchGuckLive> BYE
[06:23:25] <JesusAlos> archivist: I use this like example because voronoid apply a mathematical know algorithm
[06:23:32] <JesusAlos> in my case mus be other
[06:23:44] <JesusAlos> but I think the best is study TTT
[06:23:59] <JesusAlos> as people here recommend
[06:24:20] <jthornton> anyone have a link to a decent twist drill feed per revolution chart?
[06:24:30] <archivist> simple follow the path, ttt wont have the best character to character move because it lifts
[06:25:02] <jthornton> JesusAlos, is this a hot wire foam cutter?
[06:25:17] <JesusAlos> yes, foam cutter
[07:12:05] <JesusAlos> by
[08:28:47] <marmite> hmmm i just got a chock from my chassi :D
[08:28:57] <marmite> probebly a good sighn
[08:36:09] <archivist> a bad sign, not earthed
[08:40:44] <SpeedEvil> Depends.
[08:40:58] <SpeedEvil> Shocks from stuff can be just fine - earthing is complex.
[08:41:04] <SpeedEvil> Earth is a lie!
[08:41:29] <jymmm> SpeedEvil: You are a lie
[08:42:13] <pcw_home> it is a bad sign that may "earth " you
[08:43:00] <jymmm> it is a bad sign that may "earth " you minus 6 feet
[08:43:21] <jymmm> s/minus/negative/
[08:43:50] <SpeedEvil> In general, the best way to earth stuff is to have your entire shop on a half inch copper sheet, and solder nice grounding straps to all your appliances.
[08:44:20] <jymmm> not solder
[08:46:39] <SpeedEvil> Ok, exposively weld.
[08:57:39] <jymmm> usually mechanical fastener
[09:00:05] <jymmm> http://store.electrical-insulators-and-copper-ground-bars.com/lpk12-2-200.html
[09:01:58] <Tecan> ok i have thyristors hexfets and tip122's which ones are better to stack for heatbed on a reprap ?
[09:02:32] <Tecan> i have pwm working but a duty cycle of 20% seems to keep the hexfet cool but the heatbed hardly gets warm
[09:03:50] <Tecan> who knew dumping a load into a big resistor would be so confusing
[09:05:15] <pcw_home> Should be pretty simple 20% duty cycle is 20% power (assuming minimal losses in switch)
[09:06:00] <archivist> lowest forward loss wins, probably hexfet
[09:06:08] <Tecan> cool
[09:06:18] <Tecan> time to solder 4 together and see if it helps
[09:06:55] <pcw_home> Yeah MOSFETS are best switches for low voltage
[09:08:17] <pcw_home> say up to 200V or so (past that there are more choices)
[09:11:06] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if learning from 3D flash will percolate into FETs
[09:14:43] <Tom_itx> what do traffic signals use for switches?
[09:14:53] <Tom_itx> those gotta pull some amps
[09:19:01] <pcw_home> I suspect they use TRIACS since they are probably 120VAC in th eUS
[09:19:50] <Tom_itx> i'd probably use a 120VAC heat pad if i were gonna reprap
[09:19:56] <Tom_itx> barrel heater
[09:21:01] <pcw_home> dont most repraps use low voltage heaters?
[09:21:02] <Tom_itx> Triacs are pretty cheap too
[09:21:09] <Tom_itx> most of them do but not all
[09:21:37] <Tom_itx> it comes up to temp quicker with a barrel heater
[09:21:45] <pcw_home> with home made heaters its probably for the best
[09:45:05] <Tecan> there i went for 5 mosfets
[09:45:09] <Tecan> testing time
[09:56:56] <Tom_itx> N channel i hope
[10:23:28] <Tecan> tip220
[10:23:33] <Tecan> to220
[10:27:35] <Tecan> sweet it worked
[10:28:38] <Tom_itx> how many watts is the heatbed?
[10:49:11] <CaptHindsight> is the heated bed in an open or closed space? How much airflow is there over the surface of the bed? What is the total surface area of the bed? What is the thermal resistance (or conductivity W/m-K) of the material used for the bed? Why don't reprapers believe in science?
[10:54:19] <CaptHindsight> http://homepages.which.net/~paul.hills/Heatsinks/HeatsinksBody.html
[11:01:50] <archivist> who needs resistors just dissipate the watts in transistors mounted on the plate
[11:08:35] <Tecan> archivist that would be good except for the glass sheet i mounted ontop of the mk2 heatbed has no spots to bolt them on
[11:08:56] <Tecan> and i used fantastic plastic on the lower portion to keep the bearings in place
[11:12:12] <Tecan> i let the smoke out of one mosfet, not sure how long it would have kept going for
[11:12:55] <archivist> have you provided for current balancing
[11:14:37] <Tecan> i think it was just faulty from factory tbh
[11:15:11] <Tecan> clipped it and everything seems great now
[11:40:27] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[11:40:28] <XXCoder> hey
[11:41:08] <IchGuckLive> An rewaly good atwise ;-) dint do plasma 4 mashines all day long at 55Deg C shop temperatures its a realy hard day !
[11:41:47] <IchGuckLive> i only got 1 inch of water in the table so i had to chache continuisly as it melted down like leeking
[11:42:20] <XXCoder> modify design to have more water?
[11:42:36] <IchGuckLive> no its good at most days
[11:43:23] <XXCoder> You know those cats and dogs water where it automacally refill as it goes below trigger, and uses no electricity?
[11:43:32] <XXCoder> wonder if you could adopt it for plasma.
[11:44:12] <SpeedEvil> radweld
[11:44:38] <IchGuckLive> i got a pyvcp button oin waterfill
[11:44:57] <IchGuckLive> in and out
[11:46:35] <IchGuckLive> we got a garden fair tomorrow
[11:46:50] <IchGuckLive> and i needed all good stuff to show up
[11:47:31] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: its also in the toilet
[11:47:45] <XXCoder> that auto fill thing? yeah
[11:48:07] <IchGuckLive> cats and dog is 40euros toilet 15
[11:49:37] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/vljCa0P.jpg
[11:50:00] <IchGuckLive> Tecan: whats that for
[11:50:16] <Tecan> its a reprap
[11:50:29] <XXCoder> guessed that when saw glue sticks lol
[12:00:12] <IchGuckLive> needs to cool down very quick
[12:01:44] <IchGuckLive> k6mle how is it
[12:02:05] <XXCoder> I need to get off my butt and revise design, I has all needed parts but bahh :P
[12:02:40] <IchGuckLive> i hope i will see you running mashine bevor i go pentioner
[12:02:51] <XXCoder> thanks
[12:02:56] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:03:16] <IchGuckLive> offical 40days to go
[12:03:26] <XXCoder> what is "pentioner"
[12:03:34] <XXCoder> prison? ;)
[12:03:41] <IchGuckLive> out of job at age
[12:03:49] <XXCoder> oh retired
[12:03:55] <IchGuckLive> retirerd
[12:04:00] <Deejay> R.E.D.
[12:04:03] <Deejay> ^^
[12:04:10] <Deejay> retired extremely dangerous ;)
[12:04:40] <XXCoder> raw, retired and working ;)
[12:05:30] <XXCoder> I met people who still work at nonprofits and such helping after they retired
[12:05:35] <XXCoder> my grandfather was one of em
[12:06:07] <IchGuckLive> i will be sitting in the greenland and counting clouds
[12:06:30] <XXCoder> and building another cnc ;)
[12:06:31] <Deejay> didn't know that you already that old, IchGuckLive *shocked*
[12:07:10] <IchGuckLive> you are always as old as you feel
[12:07:23] <Deejay> hehe yeah
[12:07:38] <IchGuckLive> on beatch with all that sunburnd girls you might be yunger then in garden work
[12:09:05] <Deejay> ^^
[12:09:36] <XXCoder> hopefully you will come in here after retirement anyway
[12:09:59] <IchGuckLive> for know i dont think so i will eve forever
[12:10:01] <Deejay> he will be here all the time ;)
[12:10:49] <IchGuckLive> i plan to move to the outback its 3 houses in a deep valey without comunikation
[12:11:27] <IchGuckLive> the ham people here might here from me on amateur radio
[12:11:39] * Deejay was DJ9DJ some time ago
[12:12:29] <Deejay> hmm, try to do IRC over packet radio then :D
[12:13:00] <IchGuckLive> we will see how it workes out its a realy hard CUT in live
[12:13:40] <Deejay> so you don't prefer the sunburned girls
[12:14:12] <IchGuckLive> <_ always taking a closer look at them
[12:14:37] <IchGuckLive> as here till 8am its nacked bathing alowed in lake
[12:14:47] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:14:52] <Deejay> hrhr
[12:15:29] <Deejay> bring the amateur TV uplink online! ;)
[12:16:19] <IchGuckLive> since all the phonme got vid inside i think it hs been realy reduced
[12:16:52] <IchGuckLive> this morning but i saw up to 10 people at 7:30 in the lake as i passed by cycle
[12:18:36] <IchGuckLive> coudt not look closer as a forest truck passed my way just at lakeside
[12:20:16] <IchGuckLive> Vad wildfire in Washington state i saw in the news
[12:20:24] <IchGuckLive> Bad
[12:20:54] <XXCoder> washington state fire
[12:20:59] <XXCoder> lemme look up
[12:21:22] <XXCoder> leavenworth :(
[12:22:53] <IchGuckLive> http://www.nwccweb.us/information/firemap.aspx
[12:22:54] <XXCoder> friend of mine went there recently on vacation. glad she missed this
[12:23:16] <IchGuckLive> oh preparion on burningman started tody
[12:23:19] <XXCoder> yeah its worse each year
[12:23:27] <XXCoder> global comate change :(
[12:24:32] <IchGuckLive> that woudt be a challange on my to get a week at burningman do thay let people in over 60
[12:24:46] <IchGuckLive> all chinal led man
[12:24:49] * Deejay feels also like burningman, yep, indeed, its too hot these days ;)
[12:25:13] <XXCoder> heard theres challenges and its not really based on money there so bring lots water and something to trade with
[12:25:23] <XXCoder> maybe make pile of something cool with your cnc
[12:25:24] <IchGuckLive> Deejay: the sothwest got badly hitted shop temp today 55deg
[12:25:37] <XXCoder> or actually bring a cnc to make stuff for people as trade
[12:25:56] <XXCoder> I'm serious with water too though, there is NO water there.
[12:26:18] <IchGuckLive> no i will get a job at washington/oregon as a WoodHarvest Driver
[12:26:23] <XXCoder> don't be a darktard, bring light sources with you at all time
[12:27:07] <IchGuckLive> hi seltecc
[12:27:29] <seltecc> hello ichgucklive
[12:27:49] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: get a well and yiou are a made man at burningman side
[12:28:04] <XXCoder> easy, bribng a water tanker lol
[12:28:08] <IchGuckLive> they set up a airfield as well
[12:32:12] <XXCoder> interesting
[12:44:06] <IchGuckLive> i am smelling staks on the BBQ i will leave soon
[12:46:46] <IchGuckLive> Steaks on the grill so im off BY till tomorrow
[12:55:29] <seltecc> the halmeter says y+ true and y- false, what can I do about it , my y goes only one direction ....?
[12:57:49] <seltecc> anyone an idea what to tweak....?
[13:00:31] <archivist> you need yo measure the actual dir pin to make sure it is 0 or 5v ish
[13:00:36] <archivist> yo to
[13:01:30] <archivist> are you driving the right pin as well
[13:01:47] <seltecc> with halmeter?
[13:01:56] <archivist> is that pin configured as an output
[13:02:04] <seltecc> I check them twice....
[13:02:35] <archivist> I dont trust halmeter for actual drive voltages
[13:03:39] <seltecc> is for a nema 23, 1 puls suitable
[13:03:56] <seltecc> with multimeter then...?!
[13:05:11] <archivist> you have to check the dir pin voltage on the drive (output of breakout board)
[13:06:10] <seltecc> yeah
[13:07:02] <seltecc> my nema 23 makes a buzzing noise, even when not used
[13:07:49] <archivist> not relevant to the current problem unless it does not rotate at all
[13:08:12] <seltecc> ok...
[13:16:53] <seltecc> yes, they both show identical signal, when y+ then 5 v wenn y- 0 v ...for ydir
[13:17:24] <archivist> so the stepper driver is faulty
[13:17:35] <seltecc> I compared it with x axis....
[13:17:51] <archivist> is the motor connected correctly to the driver
[13:19:00] * archivist would be using a scope on the opto on the driver to see what happened to the signal
[13:19:51] <archivist> did you remember to wire the other side of the y opto to +5 or ground
[13:20:04] <seltecc> whats odd is that the working (x) has only one led lit and working fine, and the y axis has both leds lit....
[13:20:24] <archivist> in fault mode?
[13:20:37] <archivist> check all wiring
[13:20:57] <seltecc> I have dualboot and checked with mach3 and there everything worked just fine...
[13:21:11] <archivist> longshine drivers self protect with bad wiring to the motors
[13:21:54] <archivist> then your descriptions do not match the problem
[13:22:28] <seltecc> so was it before i screwed up my config because of the dammed a and b axis that are new to my configuration....
[13:22:58] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/Sd84OBV.png
[13:23:15] <seltecc> its a matter of faulty hal and ini settings...
[13:23:20] <Tecan> i keep melting the wire soldered to the melzi collector mosfet
[13:24:23] <seltecc> befor I forget do you have knowlage about ic4017 ?
[13:24:41] <archivist> cmos chip, I have data
[13:25:44] <archivist> I seem to remember you asking in ##electronics about that
[13:26:04] <seltecc> cool, very important for me....
[13:26:21] <seltecc> yeah can I ask here again?
[13:27:37] <archivist> it is just a decade counter what does it have to do with the current problem
[13:28:06] <seltecc> "simple" I just want the LEDs stay lit when triggert with a momentary push button...?
[13:29:02] <archivist> not what a counter does
[13:29:45] <seltecc> so its not possible, is that what you mean?
[13:30:29] <archivist> insufficient information
[13:32:08] <seltecc> one pushbutton, a ic4017 and led that shall stay lit....what else?
[13:32:22] <archivist> wrong chip for that job
[13:32:32] <seltecc> suggestion?
[13:32:36] <archivist> it is a counter not a latch
[13:32:53] <archivist> flip flop
[13:33:48] <seltecc> the task is to lite up 1 push 4 leds and 2.push 8 leds and 3. all off.....
[13:35:18] <archivist> task.. school work?
[13:35:53] <seltecc> kind of
[13:36:31] <archivist> you need to learn how to decode as well
[13:37:49] <seltecc> decode what? the function of ICs ?
[13:38:11] <archivist> the counter to which led is lit
[13:38:38] <archivist> your description of what you want keeps changing
[13:38:57] <seltecc> sorry dude....
[14:01:22] <marmite> hmmm
[14:01:36] <marmite> i finaly got to cut out my pickguard, but it came out wrong
[14:01:42] <marmite> apparently i forgot backlash settings
[14:01:50] <marmite> and now i dont get it to work properly :D
[16:38:04] <Deejay> gn8
[17:09:25] * JT-Shop took a nap and got 2 more orders at the Spyder Store
[17:09:34] <JT-Shop> I should take more naps
[17:34:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/T0Efoi2.jpg
[17:34:24] <zeeshan> :D
[17:34:29] <zeeshan> finally this piece of shit work is done
[17:51:09] <ssi> zeeshan: whatcha doin
[17:51:17] <zeeshan> not for me
[17:51:18] <zeeshan> for some customer
[17:51:19] <ssi> looks like transmission parts
[17:51:24] <zeeshan> fixture to bend aluminum c channel
[17:51:30] <ssi> ah
[17:51:35] <zeeshan> im also building a trans
[17:51:35] <zeeshan> lol
[17:51:40] <zeeshan> still waiting on parts for it
[17:58:40] <JT-Shop> is that used in a H frame press?
[18:00:17] <ssi> so frys sells 3d printers now
[18:00:22] <ssi> and more importantly, filament!
[18:00:29] <ssi> and it's like half the price of what I used to get
[18:00:38] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:02:12] <JT-Shop> nice
[18:02:39] <JT-Shop> 7 DF-2's to assemble and I'm done with work stuff
[18:11:01] <zeeshan> jt-shop yes
[18:40:43] <XXCoder> ssi: printers seem expensive
[18:41:19] <ssi> what, the velleman ones at frys?
[18:41:30] <XXCoder> oh saw 2k-3k one
[18:41:36] <XXCoder> that one is cheap
[18:42:14] <ssi> what was the expensive one?
[18:42:16] <ssi> a makerbot?
[18:42:41] <XXCoder> maybe I saw wrong one lol
[18:43:53] <XXCoder> ah cubify
[18:44:42] <ssi> filament is listed on frys.com as $39.99/kg
[18:44:48] <ssi> but it was $24.99/kg when I was there earlier
[18:44:51] <ssi> which is a good price
[18:46:37] <XXCoder> interesting
[18:48:12] <XXCoder> velleman seem to support both abs and pla
[18:48:29] <XXCoder> which is good. abs is only plastic that can be smoothed by acetone vapor methof
[18:48:34] <ssi> most do
[18:48:39] <ssi> it's just the makerbots that are pla only
[18:51:33] <XXCoder> lol well
[18:51:54] <XXCoder> nice idea though if I get enough dospitiable income I might do it
[18:52:36] <ssi> dospitiable eh?
[18:53:04] <jthornton> that's what I thought too
[18:53:16] <ssi> :D
[18:53:47] <XXCoder> I cant spelwe werds weel mon
[18:54:10] <jthornton> funny but most people can read misspelled words fine
[18:55:08] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:55:12] <XXCoder> pattern based reading
[18:57:15] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs8cLzSIIAExaDz.jpg:large
[18:57:19] <ssi> well that was a minor nightmare :D
[18:57:35] <XXCoder> fun
[18:58:36] <jthornton> that does look like fun
[18:59:57] <ssi> one more harness to build
[19:00:06] <ssi> there's already two DB9-thru harnesses in place
[19:00:24] <ssi> one fixed harness through the gantry to the opposite motor, one harness in cable chain to run the X motor
[19:00:43] <ssi> this harness connects to the right Y motor and the two secondary harnesses
[19:00:57] <ssi> have to build one more which is DB25 to the drives and 7i77
[19:05:21] <zeeshan> ssi
[19:05:28] <zeeshan> rofl i cant believe you have patience to do that
[19:05:57] <zeeshan> where did you by that wire loom cover?
[19:06:01] <zeeshan> *buy
[19:16:27] <XXCoder> wow
[19:16:28] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140719-matterfab-developing-affordable-metal-3d-printer.html
[19:17:32] <ssi> zeeshan: surplus place in california
[19:37:01] <andypugh> This seems cheap (so far). It also looks to me to be MT3 with an adaptor:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390884311768
[19:41:32] <jdh> nice head. the very bottom of the tapper looks odd.
[19:42:03] <jdh> or taper.
[19:42:06] <andypugh> I think it’s an MT3 to MT4 sleeve
[19:42:59] <jdh> that was cleaned up with a grinder?
[19:43:09] <andypugh> I know how to CNC these heads :-)
[19:43:44] <jdh> what does the retainining ring hold in place?
[19:44:07] <andypugh> On that model, everything :-)
[19:44:48] <andypugh> In fact the grnding might be to allow them to get the feed mechanism past the sleeve.
[19:45:29] <andypugh> Later models had interchangeable shanks, that looks to have the MT3 integral with the body forging.
[19:46:16] <andypugh> (They had to do that when they started offering BT / CAT etc as you can never get the feed ring past them.
[19:47:53] <jdh> http://www.bikepete.f2s.com/upa3_small.pdf
[19:47:57] <jdh> looks like the same era
[19:50:22] <andypugh> They are very nice. I have a UPA4 that is no use to me at all, but I can’t bring myself to sell as it is quite the most nicely-made thing I have.
[19:51:06] <andypugh> (I have, and use, a UPA3 but it is newer and not quite so “no expense spared” as the UPA4
[20:01:15] <Roguish> back. now on new, linuxcnc computer.
[20:01:50] <Roguish> where's the best place to post the errors?
[20:02:10] <Roguish> pastebin?
[20:02:22] <jdh> sure
[20:02:30] <andypugh> http://pastebin.com
[20:03:38] <ssi> deciding what field voltage to use on 7i76 is a hard problem :(
[20:04:08] <jdh> 24
[20:04:15] <ssi> 24 sounds good on paper
[20:04:22] <ssi> but I have a bunch of relay cards on hand that are 5v coils
[20:04:38] <jdh> buy new ones
[20:04:39] <ssi> and right now, nothing in the machine is 24v
[20:04:43] <ssi> easy for you to say
[20:04:50] <jdh> sure.
[20:05:05] <jdh> for the laser?
[20:05:08] <ssi> yes
[20:05:37] <Roguish> ok. check out
http://pastebin.com/BG7QQSSx
[20:06:39] <ssi> hm actually these relays are active low
[20:06:41] <ssi> so it may not matter
[20:06:54] <andypugh> jdh: If money is no object (as if) then you could use an isolated smart-serial IO board on the channel provided, then every output could work from a different voltage
[20:07:07] <jdh> money is no object
[20:07:12] <andypugh> (sorry, I meant ssi )
[20:07:12] <jdh> since it is his, not mine.
[20:08:04] <ssi> money is no object
[20:08:06] <ssi> TIME is an object
[20:08:06] <jdh> Roguish: did you install from the live CD?
[20:08:28] <ssi> (god I've officially become old)
[20:08:42] <jdh> heh. same here.
[20:10:02] <Roguish> no. installed per instuctions in wiki 'linuxcnc on ubuntu precise'
[20:10:18] <jdh> did you see the web page referenced by your error?
[20:11:19] <Roguish> concerning the memory limit? yes.
[20:11:44] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?LockedMemory does look like an unusually good clue. Normally the error reports are more cryptic.
[20:12:15] <andypugh> Did you make the change?
[20:13:09] <Roguish> tried to do it manually.
[20:13:31] <andypugh> I think that is the only way.
[20:13:52] <andypugh> Basically LinuxCNC needs a config change that can’t be automated.
[20:16:17] <Roguish> just checked the file, and low and behold that line is already there!!!!!
[20:17:04] <Roguish> #ftp hard nproc 0
[20:17:05] <Roguish> #ftp - chroot /ftp
[20:17:07] <Roguish> #@student - maxlogins 4
[20:17:08] <Roguish> # End of file
[20:17:10] <Roguish> * - memlock 20480 #EMC2
[20:19:44] <Roguish> just did 'ulimit -l' and errors with 'command not found'
[20:21:17] <andypugh> That’s interesting.
[20:22:17] <Roguish> that was a 'sudo ulimit -l'
[20:23:29] <Roguish> now, a simple 'ulimit -l' (no sudo) gives a value of '64'
[20:24:03] <andypugh> On my 12.04 machine I get 20480
[20:24:29] <Roguish> lucky you. i'm a bit short.....
[20:24:57] <andypugh> Can you try the temporary fix on the web page, and see if that fixes it, then we can try to make th permanent fix work
[20:25:11] <Roguish> ok
[20:26:07] <andypugh> Though I have to say that it doesn’t work for me
[20:26:27] <Roguish> bash: ulimit: max locked memory: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted
[20:26:48] <andypugh> And sudo gives “command not found” ?
[20:26:53] <Roguish> yes
[20:26:57] <andypugh> (it does for me)
[20:27:07] <andypugh> Who writes these docs!
[20:27:49] <andypugh> (Oh, we do)
[20:28:18] <andypugh> Might be worth trying the /etc/pam.d/common-session thing and a reboot
[20:28:21] <jdh> ulimit is a shell built-in
[20:28:38] <andypugh> But I think yo need a Linux dude, and I am a Mac dude.
[20:28:49] <Roguish> hey, i'm a mechanical, not a programmer, so i take most of this very literally.
[20:29:01] <andypugh> jdh: You get command not found if you sudo it
[20:29:14] <Roguish> sorry to hear about that Mac thing, maybe there will be a cure some day..
[20:29:31] <andypugh> <takes a step back to let jdh be Linux Dude>
[20:29:59] <jdh> you can't sudo a built-in. It wouldn't have any context anyway
[20:30:01] <Roguish> take it away jdh. i'm all ears.
[20:30:22] <andypugh> Hey! Macs are shiny, I like shiny things.
[20:30:34] <jdh> shiny is my favorite color
[20:31:28] <Roguish> i'm here in the Bay Area, and we have lots of apple jokes, but i need help,so quiet i'll be.
[20:31:45] <Valen> missus has said she wants lots of shiny stuff in the new house, mainly because I only clean stuff that can be polished ;-P
[20:32:00] <andypugh> So, how do we fix the “not allowed” when sudo won’t work?
[20:32:31] <jdh> it should pick up the limit from limits.conf.
[20:32:42] <jdh> start a new shell and see?
[20:33:12] <Roguish> what do you mean start a new shell? a new command window?
[20:33:19] <jdh> yeah
[20:33:22] <Roguish> ok
[20:35:14] <Roguish> ok, new command window with 'ulimit -l' gives '64'
[20:36:38] <jdh> does sudo linuxcnc do anything different?
[20:38:20] <Roguish> ok did thad and get: Error: could not insert module /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc/hm2_pci.ko: Unknown symbol in module
[20:39:10] <jdh> heh
[20:39:13] <Roguish> i am running a 5i20
[20:39:36] <Roguish> 5i20 board is in the slot
[20:40:03] <jdh> it hasn't looked for hardware yet.
[20:40:52] <jdh> is there a compelling need to run this install vs. the livecd?
[20:41:27] <jdh> the pam fix + reboot (or restart session manager) could fix the ulimit thing. This is a module mismatch though
[20:41:35] <Roguish> no. i'm getting ready for a new project.. what is the livecd? that the hybrid?
[20:42:28] <jdh> pre-config'ed everything. boot the cd (or image), install from there. Makes a known-working LinuxCNC capable ubuntu install
[20:42:47] <Roguish> which rt?
[20:43:26] <jdh> mine is: 2.6.32-122-rtai #rtai but it is old.
[20:44:25] <Roguish> i can back it all out and go the old git method. i just wanted to mess with a new rt.
[20:44:51] <jdh> I'm sure that is a known issue. I'm not bleeding edge though.
[20:46:16] <Roguish> i can do an apt-get uninstall, and then use a different branch, maybe the v2.5_branch-rt
[20:47:00] <Roguish> would / could that make a difference or just spinning the wheels?
[21:04:54] <andypugh> Roguish: Info from jepler on the -devel channel
[21:05:45] <andypugh> It looks like you might need to log out and back in for the ulimit change to take effect
[21:06:14] <andypugh> But, I need to sleep.
[21:12:01] <anarchos> hi
[22:35:13] <PetefromTn> evening folks..
[22:36:10] <XXCoder> hey the pete
[22:36:26] <PetefromTn> yup the Pete LOL.
[22:36:47] <jymmm> That bastard owes me money!!!
[22:36:55] <PetefromTn> whatsgoinon?
[22:37:09] <PetefromTn> who me hehehe
[22:38:28] <XXCoder> http://titaniumphysicists.brachiolopemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/SLKMP-PGB.jpeg
[22:38:32] <XXCoder> hes petey lol
[22:38:46] <PetefromTn> where's that ssi guy I should drive down to Georgia and kick him square in the pants LOL
[22:38:53] <XXCoder> hard to explain but basically hes godlike AI in that webcomic. orginially he wasnt
[22:40:07] <PetefromTn> I thought that home built CNC stuff was addictive and expensive but it is NOTHING compared to DIY audiophile stuff heheje
[22:40:26] <XXCoder> heard audiophiles can get overboard
[22:40:42] <XXCoder> $300 bucks for one foot cable for 0.00001% improvment of audip
[22:40:45] <PetefromTn> overboard is an understatement.
[22:41:38] <PetefromTn> I visited a nice fellow today who has basically built everything in his living room completely from parts including the amps preamps and the speaker drivers themselves..
[22:42:07] <XXCoder> ow
[22:42:11] <jymmm> Ironically, it mae better sense to put the amps in each speaker, then run analog fiber to each speaker
[22:42:27] <PetefromTn> even built the damn drivers from parts selected carefully and the enclosures were designed in cad
[22:42:58] <PetefromTn> sounded freaking glorious ...
[22:43:00] <jymmm> You dont design speakers in cad you design them in an acustic chamber =)
[22:43:40] <PetefromTn> this Guy has huge awards for speaker and amp design all over his living room
[22:44:01] <PetefromTn> he has been into this stuff for almost his whole life.
[22:44:27] <PetefromTn> he actually holds patents for several designs.
[22:44:53] <jymmm> Eh, i bet I could do the same thing for one tenth the cost =)
[22:45:35] <PetefromTn> the most recent award we saw was like six feet tall and was dated 2013 national championship spl level for car audio. apparently he designed the subwoofers for some serious car audio junkies.
[22:45:38] <XXCoder> lol and for 0.000000000000000000000000123% less guality eh
[22:46:19] <PetefromTn> that's the best part is the DIY allow you to build shit you could not possibly afford
[22:46:36] <XXCoder> like cnc lol
[22:46:43] <PetefromTn> that's the addiction part LOL.
[22:46:51] <PetefromTn> yes exactly
[22:47:32] <PetefromTn> I have a pretty decent system in my house with denon and KEF speakers and I thought it sounded great....until I met these guys LOL
[22:48:56] <PetefromTn> My wife was like oh I don't care how much better could it really be so she came with me today and listened to it and we got home and listened to the same tracks on my system and she was like DAMN!
[22:49:14] <XXCoder> lol
[22:50:00] <PetefromTn> the clarity and smoothness of the sound is incredible really.
[22:50:25] <XXCoder> for me, world's most tinny speakersounds same as your most awesome systen
[22:50:34] <PetefromTn> so thanks to ssi I am now a junkie of another sort....jeez man LOL
[22:51:12] <XXCoder> lol
[22:52:19] <PetefromTn> reading about the tube amp designs is about as confusing as it was back when I first started reading the cad can cnc drop email fliers years ago....like Greek or Chinese arithmetic LOL
[22:52:41] <PetefromTn> dro
[22:55:09] <PetefromTn> wish there was a tube amp IRC like this place with gurus like Pete and Cradek...
[22:55:56] <CaptHindsight> you have to get into the wayback machine for tube time :)
[22:56:51] <CaptHindsight> Allied Radio, Audio Magazine, Stereo Review, Popular Electronics etc
[22:57:23] <CaptHindsight> some of the archives are online, it interesting reading them 30-40-50 years later
[22:57:40] <PetefromTn> yeah of really is amazing how far back tube amp design goes and how clean the power is.
[22:58:23] <PetefromTn> we were listening to dual monoblock EL34 amps today that were Max of 15 Watts....
[22:58:44] <PetefromTn> I cannot believe how heavy those damn things are...
[22:59:18] <PetefromTn> I tried to pick one up and look at the bottom of it and it weighed a ton LOL.
[23:00:11] <CaptHindsight> it's an old debate, with the wide voltage swing you don't get the non-linear effects near zero crossings of class-B's
[23:00:28] <PetefromTn> He told me we probably did not go over two Watts all afternoon and it was amazingly loud at times....bit still clear as a bell.
[23:00:49] <CaptHindsight> but tubes actually behave differently each time they turn off an on
[23:00:50] <PetefromTn> these were class A amps.
[23:01:28] <CaptHindsight> it used to be that there weren't any solid state solutions for class A and high power
[23:01:31] <PetefromTn> he actually told me he seldom turns them off.
[23:01:52] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, there's a dude in another channel that designs car audio amps for a living
[23:02:00] <PetefromTn> they have to kinda wear in apparently.
[23:02:17] <CaptHindsight> most of the audio stuff sold today is crap
[23:02:29] <PetefromTn> yeah that is part of what this guys does tom
[23:02:50] <PetefromTn> LOL that's exactly what he says..
[23:03:13] <Tom_itx> circuits are put in place just to fool their competetion
[23:03:20] <PetefromTn> he says it is all overhyped garbage with high price tags.
[23:03:29] <Tom_itx> for the lead time it takes to make a new design
[23:03:50] <Tom_itx> highly competetive market
[23:04:08] <PetefromTn> I wish you guys could hear this stuff he built.
[23:04:59] <PetefromTn> his 10 inch custom build home Audio subwoofer weights like 28 lbs.
[23:06:00] <PetefromTn> he is working on a dual ten inch sub design to work with his sweet mid and high three way speaker system
[23:06:17] <PetefromTn> it is bi amped.
[23:06:44] <PetefromTn> has a custom built crossover for the mid to highs he designed himself.
[23:07:54] <PetefromTn> the only thing that was kinda cheap was that the speakers were prototypes and just made from some kinda MDF board until he finalized the design.
[23:08:42] <PetefromTn> he is working on the final look of the system but is waiting on the sub setup to be finish tested.
[23:09:44] <PetefromTn> what we heard today only had a single ten but still had some nice lows. He thinks the duals will complete the package nicely.
[23:11:17] <PetefromTn> I don't know how much money he had in parts in the system but just chatting with him about the amps just components pricing was more than I have in my denon for each amp. so not exactly real cheap.
[23:11:21] <ssi> lul
[23:11:42] <PetefromTn> hey man..
[23:12:02] <PetefromTn> what's lul ?
[23:12:07] <ssi> me laughing at you
[23:12:39] <PetefromTn> it's all your fault man...enabler
[23:12:47] <ssi> yup
[23:12:50] <ssi> you stubborn old man
[23:12:53] <ssi> :D
[23:13:13] <PetefromTn> who you calling old buddy hehehe
[23:13:52] <PetefromTn> I think I am gonna need to hear your 2A3's...
[23:14:28] <PetefromTn> those el34 monoblocks sounded amazing man..
[23:16:17] <ssi> were they pushpull?
[23:16:25] <PetefromTn> nope...
[23:16:33] <ssi> SE EL34 is pretty sweet
[23:16:33] <PetefromTn> single ended class a
[23:16:42] <ssi> triode mode?
[23:16:45] <ssi> or pentode/beam tetrode?
[23:16:58] <ssi> or ultralinear?
[23:16:59] <ssi> hehh
[23:17:13] <PetefromTn> he said pentode with cathode follower or something like that.it's his own custom design.
[23:17:26] <ssi> cathode follower'd likely be in the preamp stage
[23:17:50] <ChuangTzu> r4ndomt4g: hola
[23:17:50] <ChuangTzu> :)
[23:18:00] <PetefromTn> no its in the amp apparently I don't understand it. he has a custom built preamp too.
[23:18:24] <ssi> by preamp I mean driver
[23:18:46] <PetefromTn> he had a modified nakamichi turntable too that was pretty sweet.
[23:19:31] <PetefromTn> his whole house basement was a shrine to audio and custom speaker building equipment LLL
[23:20:56] <PetefromTn> I could have spent a week there chatting about this stuff but my wife was like OKAY HONEY it's time to go home now LOL.
[23:22:15] <PetefromTn> interesting fellow he is also a fairly serious rimfire benchrest competitor. some nice anschutz 54 actions he showed me.
[23:22:42] <PetefromTn> I was like a kid in a candy store.
[23:29:18] <ssi> heh
[23:29:43] <ssi> I've got a couple kimber model 82G benchrest rimfire rifles
[23:29:56] <ssi> that I modified to give them 3oz triggers :P
[23:33:12] <PetefromTn> nice... funny how guys into one thing are into similar other things as well. I am also a competitive shooter.
[23:33:45] <ssi> well there's guys who like to go fast, blow shit up, and make things with their hands
[23:33:49] <ssi> and then there's guys who like to play golf
[23:34:10] <PetefromTn> I am NOT a Golfer.
[23:34:13] <ssi> me either :P
[23:34:15] * jymmm is the former.
[23:34:38] <ssi> it's the active guys vs the passive guys
[23:34:57] <ssi> we all tend to be active guys, cause passive guys would never in a million years dream of doing sometihng so ludicrous as building a machine
[23:35:18] <PetefromTn> I am so glad you told me about your own home built system. I would have never met these guys and heard this beautiful sound.
[23:35:24] <ssi> heheh
[23:35:43] <ssi> so you still think your denon/kef setup is super excellent? :D
[23:36:15] <PetefromTn> of really is crystal clear with those amps. high efficiency speakers are amazing.
[23:36:29] <ssi> btw did he tell you what the power was on his EL34 SE amp?
[23:37:15] <PetefromTn> LOL I used to.. you might be surprised how good it does sound tho. but compared to his system is lacks a lot of high and midrange detail.
[23:37:35] <ssi> yea people tend to equate heavy bass with good sound
[23:37:48] <PetefromTn> he said Max 15 amps.
[23:37:53] <PetefromTn> sorry watts
[23:38:09] <ssi> sounds generous, even for pentode mode
[23:38:35] <PetefromTn> it has some rather huge transformers or whatever on there.
[23:38:53] <ssi> yep, necessary especially for SE
[23:39:03] <PetefromTn> the big ones were like six inches square.
[23:39:04] <ssi> the heavier the iron, the lower the frequency it can reproduce
[23:39:21] <ssi> transformers will be your #1 cost unless you do a big bottle triode
[23:39:32] <PetefromTn> man would I love to have a pair of those babies.
[23:39:32] <ssi> hell even if you do a big bottle triode
[23:39:41] <ssi> I only paid $200 for my 300Bs, but the iron for it will be about $400
[23:40:43] <PetefromTn> he said there are certain parts you can get a bit cheaper without sacrificing sound quality but some you just gotta buy good ones.
[23:40:59] <ssi> yep
[23:41:05] <ssi> transformers are critical
[23:41:10] <ssi> lots of people say caps are too
[23:41:21] <PetefromTn> he said he would give me a schematic for his amp since I am now a club member LOL.
[23:41:23] <ssi> some people aren't convinced :)
[23:41:35] <ssi> haha cool
[23:42:42] <PetefromTn> his stuff is more along the lines of it is not pretty to look at but he does whatever is necessary to make the sound top notch. I kinda want both...
[23:43:11] <PetefromTn> the amps are quality but no polsihed aluminum and brass etc etc.
[23:43:21] <ssi> I tried to make mine reasonably nice, but nothing crazy
[23:43:34] <jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGTbQuhhluY
[23:43:50] <PetefromTn> your amps looked nice man nothing like the warm glow of a tube amp LOL.
[23:44:31] <ssi> jymmm: haha awesome
[23:44:52] <PetefromTn> there are some absolutely gorgeous amps and speakers out there that are DIY built.
[23:45:18] <ssi> yeah man only golfers go out and buy $30k tube amps
[23:45:33] <jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTMN_KobQF4
[23:45:35] <PetefromTn> it may take me forever to build something like this but I think I have no choice now hehehe
[23:45:56] <ssi> :)
[23:46:26] <PetefromTn> on the way back we found a nice little sushi restaurant too BONUS!!
[23:47:35] <PetefromTn> I PIGGED out on shrimp tempura and sweet avocado rolls damn it was gooooood..m
[23:49:30] <PetefromTn> what do you think the difference would be from your 2A3's to his EL34 amps?
[23:49:54] <PetefromTn> besides Max power I mean..
[23:50:53] <jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uyoa3wqguP8#t=0
[23:52:47] <PetefromTn> that nitro methane is nuts huh.... I remember the first time I ever saw a top fuel dragster in person. Doug Kalitta damn things sound like a maniacal evil beast from hell LOL
[23:53:28] <ssi> 2A3 will be warmer and more detailed
[23:53:32] <PetefromTn> you can literally feel the power deep in your chest as they go by at 330 MPH..
[23:54:15] <PetefromTn> really wow that would be amazing then. I gotta hear your stuff man..
[23:56:02] <ssi> come on down :)
[23:56:34] <PetefromTn> I still can't get over how warm and smooth some of those LPs he played sounded.
[23:56:43] <ssi> yep
[23:58:01] <PetefromTn> he played some old Linda Ronstadt records and she sounded amazing. he also played a lot of smooth jazz. beautiful stuff. I brought down some Pink Floyd Division Bell and some of my other favorites.
[23:58:38] <ssi> I've never really been a jazz guy, but I sort of feel like I should ease into it
[23:58:43] <ssi> especially since this system is really good for it
[23:58:44] <PetefromTn> he is an older fellow probably in his late 60's but he likes all kinds of music.
[23:58:47] <ssi> I dunno where to start tho
[23:58:47] <ssi> heh
[23:59:14] <PetefromTn> I honestly never heard of most of it LOL.
[23:59:30] <ssi> anyway I gotta run out and pick up a power supply from a friend
[23:59:37] <ssi> then I'm probably going to bed... gotta be up at 7 to go sailing :P
[23:59:44] <PetefromTn> he played some Diana Krall and some Moran Jones too that was nice.
[23:59:45] <ssi> talk to ya tomorrow eve :)
