#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-07-02

[00:23:40] <Tecan> http://netpipe.ca/wp/?page_id=505 found the solution with sound for sandboxed user applications
[00:23:56] <Tecan> for the super secret gcodes
[02:20:57] <Deejay> moin
[03:36:15] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:12:14] <exco> Just here for advertising this year's LinuxCNC meeting in Germany: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Integrator_Meeting_2014_Germany
[04:47:18] <Deejay> hmm, somewhat far away from me :(
[05:45:45] <Jymmm> Deejay: I thought you were in Germany?
[05:47:50] <Deejay> hi Jymmm. yep, thats right. but still some hundret kilometers :/
[05:48:40] <Jymmm> Deejay: Well, don't you have that Uber public transportation there in EU?
[05:49:06] <Jymmm> Just hop on the train =)
[05:49:23] <Deejay> hehe
[05:49:50] <Deejay> perhaps you can pick me up with your lear jet?
[05:50:08] <Deejay> ;)
[05:50:18] <Jymmm> NO HITCHHIKERS!
[05:50:41] <Deejay> hahar :)
[05:51:01] <Deejay> thats what your mom said to you in your early days? ;)
[05:51:44] <Jymmm> No, I just would have no desire to even LAND in .de
[05:51:58] <Deejay> oh
[07:46:30] <mozmck> Deejay: hundred kilometers? I know a lot of people that drive that far one way to work every day!
[07:48:29] <Jymmm> ...uphill, in a hurricane, with no shoes, and in 12 feet of snow.
[07:50:41] <mozmck> heh, no just normal dallas traffic
[07:51:23] <Loetmichel> mozmck: or drive 200km just to get a beer with a friend ;-9
[07:51:27] <Loetmichel> like me ;-)
[07:57:00] <jdh> alcoholics go to extremes.
[08:03:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: What was her name?
[08:03:27] <Jymmm> Cause no guy is going to drive 200km for only a beer with another guy =)
[08:03:46] <Jymmm> Well, unless your gay I suppose.
[08:04:14] <jdh> I really prefer Diet Coke(tm) to beer.
[08:04:29] <jdh> and I don't really care if you are gay.
[08:05:21] <Jymmm> I meant in regards to driving 200km for a beer/beverage. Us guys are just WAY TOO LAZY to drive that far for "JUST" a beer.
[08:05:47] <Jymmm> Liquor store is 2 miles away
[08:07:24] <gonzo___> 200km for a beer festival, differnt matter
[08:07:33] <Jymmm> true.
[08:07:44] <Jymmm> But he said "with a friend"
[08:08:12] <gonzo___> after a few beers, everyone is your friend
[08:08:18] <jdh> one must make allowances for cultural differences and 'Bud lite'' vs. beer.
[08:08:43] <Jymmm> gonzo___: And nobody is ugly after 2am =)
[08:08:57] <jdh> is that what you count on?
[08:09:30] <gonzo___> if the beer is good and enough of it, at 2am you would not be capable no doing anything anyway.
[08:09:31] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: "her" name was akku65...
[08:09:58] <Loetmichel> and i am not gay ;-)
[08:10:02] <Jymmm> You won't find me near a bar/club at 2am. WAY TOO MANY COPS just watching you wlak out of the bar and get into your car.
[08:10:23] <Loetmichel> thats why i had ONE beer with him
[08:10:30] <gonzo___> I always think that is the clinical threshold for ugly. When they are so bad that you have to be so drunk that you can;t do anything
[08:10:45] <Loetmichel> because <- 0.3°oo is still allowed in germany
[08:11:05] <Jymmm> lol @ Loetmichel
[08:11:27] <Loetmichel> to drive with
[08:11:35] <Jymmm> gonzo___: Simpler approach: "Paper or plastic?"
[08:11:55] <jdh> on a somewhat topical note... what is the difference between a 6040 and this: http://www.carving-cnc.com/x61500series-1/x6-1500lpt/cnc-x61500lpt3-router-engraver-drilling-and-milling-machine.html
[08:12:33] <Jymmm> jdh: The 6040 will arrive today and that will not =)
[08:12:47] <Jymmm> THAT's the difference =)
[08:13:06] <Loetmichel> jdh: seems to be lower Z travel
[08:13:13] <Loetmichel> and slightly lower x and y
[08:14:46] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: and for the cops waiting: "designated decoy" comes to mind ;-9
[08:14:57] <jdh> what size ER collet for 1/8" end mills
[08:15:09] <Loetmichel> 1/8"?
[08:15:33] <jdh> this thing comes with ER11. 6mm and 3.175mm
[08:15:51] <Loetmichel> i have 3.175mm collets for my 1/8" mill bits
[08:16:00] <jdh> cool
[08:16:08] <Loetmichel> 3.175mm IS 1/8"
[08:16:25] <jdh> no clue on ER sizing (how far down they clamp)
[08:17:18] <Loetmichel> jdh: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13221
[08:17:24] <Loetmichel> nearly complete er11 set ;-9
[08:17:58] <jdh> that extra cut in the holder for distinction?
[08:18:28] <Loetmichel> no, for "clumsy"
[08:18:34] <jdh> I have a few things like that.
[08:18:43] <Loetmichel> forgot to pull out before starting new tool
[08:19:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13212
[08:19:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12638
[08:19:13] <jdh> I don't really have any cutters suitable for this that aren't 1/8" or 1/4"
[08:19:29] <Loetmichel> there's one without mishap
[08:19:35] <jdh> I have some chinese 6mm carbide mills but they don't seem to cut worth crap
[08:19:51] * SpeedEvil passes jdh a file.
[08:20:00] <Loetmichel> they arent
[08:20:25] <Loetmichel> i bought a few of these for the "big stuff" -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11618
[08:20:58] <jdh> I was trying to use them for smallish 6061 stuff in my mill
[08:21:05] <jdh> but, the finish was terrible
[08:21:19] <Loetmichel> and of course a 20mm cyrbide router bit with 8mm shaft fpr the facing off part
[08:21:27] <Loetmichel> carbide
[08:21:31] <Loetmichel> for
[08:21:31] <jdh> that woudl be nice to have.
[08:22:03] <Loetmichel> home depot should have them, even with 6mm shaft
[08:22:12] <Loetmichel> maybe only in 16mm
[08:22:31] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/360767200000
[08:22:37] <Loetmichel> they are made for woodworking, but still useable for facing off
[08:23:02] <Loetmichel> you'll have to restrain yourself anywyy to less than a few 0.1mm steps in one pass
[08:23:06] <jdh> I just want to face some spoilboard
[08:24:25] <Loetmichel> you mean like this? -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEQZ_TY5q8o
[08:24:34] <Loetmichel> mdf is SUCH a mess :-(
[08:26:30] <jdh> would plastic be any better for this purpose?
[08:29:33] <Loetmichel> some foam plastic would.
[08:29:42] <Loetmichel> like "sikablock"
[08:29:47] <Loetmichel> or "ureol"
[08:29:56] <Loetmichel> but that is exopensive as hell
[08:36:18] <jdh> I was thinking like 12mm hdpe
[08:37:37] <Loetmichel> wouldnt recoooend that
[08:37:42] <Loetmichel> becase: no glue sticks
[08:38:03] <Loetmichel> i often gliue my parts to the scrapboard with CA
[08:38:14] <Loetmichel> even my aluminium parts
[08:38:28] <jdh> I just drill holes in the MDF and clamp
[08:39:03] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53RsosYwGg
[08:39:14] <Loetmichel> ... that was double sided tape, though
[08:39:49] <jdh> what generated taht toolpath
[08:39:56] <Loetmichel> boCNC
[08:40:03] <Loetmichel> a little dumb freeeware tool
[08:40:22] <Loetmichel> out of a 2d .plt file
[08:40:27] <Loetmichel> made with corelDraw
[08:56:53] <gkamysz> Hello all. I'm still running 2.2.8 and it's probably time to update. What's the best way to do this? Should I just use the live CD?
[08:58:16] <jthornton> are you running Ubuntu 6.06
[08:59:18] <jthornton> do a search for updating on the wiki http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
[09:01:41] <gkamysz> it's 8.04
[09:03:20] <gkamysz> i saw the instructions for updating 2.3 to 2.4 does that apply?
[09:12:32] <Loetmichel> btw. has anybody an ide why this flowindicators wheel doesent turn? when i blow into one end it will turn... just with water it diesent work?!? -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87cT1M32VNY
[09:12:35] <Loetmichel> doesent
[09:13:02] <Loetmichel> i think i should take some hydraulics lessons ;-)
[09:14:59] <jdh> nifty looking.
[09:15:33] <jdh> surface tension of the water keeping teh wheel stuck so the water goes around it?
[09:16:01] <jdh> is there a pin in the center of the wheel?
[09:16:47] <jdh> do you know if the vfd with teh 6040 only does rs485?
[09:18:06] <CaptHindsight> viscosity of the water, you'll need more pressure differential for that indicator to work
[09:20:02] <Loetmichel> there is a pin in the center
[09:20:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.envcoglobal.com/files/MO-BUR-8720-.jpg
[09:20:14] <Loetmichel> i did know
[09:20:19] <Loetmichel> modbus its called
[09:20:28] <Loetmichel> but you can also connect it with simple sitches
[09:20:49] <jdh> I'd like RPM and feedback.
[09:22:13] <Loetmichel> then you have to buy an usb/rs465 converter
[09:22:24] <jdh> that was my real question.
[09:22:30] <Loetmichel> or a rs232/485 converter, depending on your PC
[09:22:38] <Loetmichel> -6+8
[09:22:42] <jdh> I may have a 232-485
[09:26:52] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i used that indicator as a template
[09:27:01] <Loetmichel> but somewhere i dod go wrong
[09:28:42] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: maybe too much clearance between the paddle wheel and the enclosure?
[09:32:00] * Loetmichel tinks mor in "too less"
[09:51:05] <CaptHindsight> didn't someone have this same problem before with their flow indicator?
[09:55:42] <ssi> hm somewhere I have a ratcheting open barrel crimper that does these extra tiny pins, but I'm not sure where it is :'(
[10:05:02] <mozmck> use yer teeth!
[10:05:30] <ssi> they're pretty tiny
[10:05:51] <ssi> I bought this crimper specifically cause bad crimps are unreliable and unreliable axis motors are not fun
[10:06:20] <mozmck> ssi: better take a look at this regarding the BBB: http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/message/32549142/
[10:06:20] <Loetmichel> ... sometimes i could kill my subaltern. he didnt crimp the cable retainers properly_> 50 keyboards came back from the customer with loose cables. so i had to think of something... that was NOT cheap.. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14999
[10:07:12] <mozmck> ssi: not finding critical tools is not fun either. you'll find them as soon as the new ones arrive :)
[10:07:44] <ssi> mozmck: I saw it
[10:11:40] <gkamysz> Can I run 2.5.4 on ubuntu 8.04?
[10:12:28] <jdh> a good crimper is not cheap, but an intermittent bad crimp is just ungodly annoying
[10:12:36] <ssi> yeah
[10:12:47] <ssi> and i have not cheap crimpers in a lot of varieties
[10:12:53] <ssi> and most of them are on the order of $1000 new
[10:13:12] <ssi> the one in question that I'm missing isn't a super expensive one; just something from pololu
[10:13:13] <jthornton> gkamysz, yes
[10:14:06] <gkamysz> great. i'll figure it out.
[10:20:52] <jthornton> gkamysz pay attention to the upgrades needed in your ini file as you go from 2.2 to 2.5
[10:25:24] <tjtr33> where can i find archives of linuxcnc-devel? Jeplers recent post about ARM procs and Double's got trashed here, and gmame aint updated yet.
[10:25:53] <tjtr33> archives of the mailing list
[10:29:13] <tjtr33> got it http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel
[10:29:23] <tjtr33> my bad, i looked in .user
[10:32:31] <tjtr33> btw: this url is munged http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/
[10:46:34] <jthornton> silly windows computer won't load usps.com but this linux one does
[10:47:12] <jdh> usps.com sucks for the most part.
[10:47:36] <jthornton> yep, but they are the most cost effective way to ship small things
[10:48:21] <jdh> yep. and when the web site does what you want, pretty easy.
[10:48:54] <jdh> it will not allow me to enter my daughter's address though.
[10:52:00] <gkamysz> I usually print usps labels from paypal shipping.
[11:00:53] <JT-Shop> paypal never works for me the labels are not centered correctly from pitny whatever
[11:04:37] <gkamysz> hmm. i print to a zebra ok.
[11:05:15] <JT-Shop> zebra some kind of printer?
[11:05:51] <gkamysz> label rpinter
[11:08:39] <gkamysz> how does one install an old version of numpy? 2.4 won't install without it and it can't find the package by itself. or am i wasting my time with 8.04
[11:09:23] <gkamysz> maybe the sources fro the old packages are incorrect?
[11:12:25] <jthornton> depends on the age of the computer, some older computers run better with older os
[11:15:09] <jthornton> jdh, I had one the other day that was like N 1234 and it would not take it until I tried N1234
[11:15:57] <CaptHindsight> I forget at what point the newer kernels dropped support for older than 386
[11:16:16] <CaptHindsight> gkamysz: what old hardware is this?
[11:17:05] <CaptHindsight> gkamysz: and are you stuck with 8.04 for some reason?
[11:18:28] <ssi> anyone else messing with charles steinkuehler's bbb stuff, including cramps?
[11:19:47] <CaptHindsight> we tried it but we needed a 2nd PC for the display so we went back to using just one PC :)
[11:20:41] <ssi> I guess he's got the framer disabled to use its pins?
[11:20:58] <ssi> or are you still just whining about opengl
[11:21:03] <gkamysz> not stuck, but this P3 900 may not run well on newer ubuntu? I'm using hardware stepping on this one. Literally untouched since 2008 when I set it up.
[11:21:38] <CaptHindsight> ssi: just trying to use minimum hardware for the whole system
[11:21:47] <ssi> no I get that
[11:21:59] <ssi> I'm tying to ascertain the reason why you felt you needed a second machine
[11:22:13] <ssi> I haven't tried his image or anything yet
[11:22:19] <ssi> I'm finally assembling his board now
[11:22:23] <CaptHindsight> the BBB couldn't run the machine and the display at the same time
[11:22:36] <ssi> because he's using the hdmi framer pins, or because performance
[11:23:03] <CaptHindsight> so we used a 2nd PC to run the display added up the total cost and went back to using just one PC
[11:25:08] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Don't you know... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
[11:25:32] <CaptHindsight> dor some reason they seem to be stuck on using the BBB, maybe someone could try an imx6 board
[11:26:12] <ssi> go for it
[11:26:54] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc already runs on the cubie2 with debian
[11:28:37] <ssi> you're always bitching about how expensive BBB is; cubie is quite a bit more money
[11:29:18] <CaptHindsight> bitching whining, you're so colorful
[11:30:04] <ssi> I respond well to positive, helpful people such as yourself
[11:31:51] <CaptHindsight> sorry that the facts don't support your agenda
[11:32:38] <ssi> I asked for facts, but you ignored that part
[11:33:12] <ssi> and hilarious that I'm the one with the agenda... I'm just trying to build some stuff, and you've got some axe to grind against what I'm doing
[11:33:23] <ssi> show us on the doll where TI touched you
[11:33:29] <CaptHindsight> no it's nothing personal
[11:33:45] <Jymmm> hahahaha ssi++++++++
[11:33:58] <CaptHindsight> it's possible for adults to get along and disagree
[11:34:19] <Jymmm> Go ahead CaptHindsight, it's okey. Just point to where on the doll IT touched you.
[11:34:29] <Jymmm> TI*
[11:34:38] <CaptHindsight> they picked a board without enough features
[11:34:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, and?
[11:35:01] <CaptHindsight> thats is all
[11:35:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: And you've been bitching about that?
[11:35:48] <jdh> life is about trade-offs
[11:36:12] <ssi> a board in the hand is worth ten in china, and worth a hundred in the mind of some idealist
[11:36:18] <CaptHindsight> bitching?
[11:36:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Again, just point if it makes it eaier
[11:36:42] <Jymmm> easier
[11:36:52] <CaptHindsight> kids
[11:38:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Sometimes features are not whats desired, it could be performance, power savings, etc. having added i/o consumes power
[11:38:27] <CaptHindsight> the BBB might be fine for your app
[11:38:47] <ssi> it might be!
[11:38:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Is that why you like BBB so much?
[11:39:34] <ssi> the only actual reasons you've given for why you're so flat convinced I shouldn't do what I'm doing are a) poor opengl performance and b) the SoC costs $5 more than your chinese darling
[11:39:47] <jdh> I have no issues with my BBB. I have only powered it up once though.
[11:40:22] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: context?
[11:40:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: 2014-07-02.05:56:36 Loetmichel: Jymmm: and for the cops waiting: "designated decoy" comes to mind ;-9
[11:41:35] <Loetmichel> ah
[11:41:44] <Loetmichel> you dont have to takl to the police
[11:42:06] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I do if I'm a decoy, sobrity tests
[11:42:15] <CaptHindsight> ssi: it's total system cost
[11:42:16] <Loetmichel> to be the "designated decoy"
[11:42:20] <ssi> I think they can arrest you for being a decoy these days
[11:42:26] <jdh> Description: CONTROLLER NO BATTERY
[11:42:36] <jdh> guess that was for customs
[11:42:37] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I really don't care about cost
[11:42:51] <Loetmichel> just stay sober and wenn all frieds get drunk, and minutes before they leave the pub: go out, act totally drunken and drive away ;-)
[11:42:55] <Jymmm> ssi: Nah, they never know you are, they just assume you've been drinking.
[11:43:19] <jdh> why would you want to hang out with a bunch of drunk people. They are depressing.
[11:43:20] <ssi> Jymmm: yeah what I mean is, when they pull you over, they can charge you for something even if it's not necessarily DUI
[11:43:22] <CaptHindsight> ssi: then why all the drama?
[11:43:37] <Jymmm> http://cubieboard.org/2014/02/27/ewell-has-come-minipc-not-be-far-behind/
[11:43:46] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I just asked a question, the drama's coming from your inexplicable hatred of TI
[11:43:51] <Jymmm> ssi: Not really. They can try though =)
[11:43:57] <Loetmichel> ssi: if you are the dd, better drive a car that is 100% up to regulations. right ;-)
[11:44:25] <ssi> Loetmichel: yeah that'd be a good start heheh
[11:44:49] <CaptHindsight> ssi: that's like me calling you a racist based on you not liking the cubie
[11:44:54] <Loetmichel> cops can get VERY pissed if messed with ;-)
[11:46:41] <ssi> I don't care if you call me a racist, and I don't dislike the cubie. I just don't have one, and I have a lot of experience with the am335x, and I don't want to have to dig through the documentation of the allwinner, which is probably terrible (because I'm a racist)
[11:47:41] <Loetmichel> more because the allwinner is a cheap chinese SOC, which tends to be badly documentated
[11:48:08] <ssi> Loetmichel: racist
[11:48:19] <CaptHindsight> ssi: that's the point, I didn't and am not calling you a racist. But thank you for making it clear.
[11:48:25] <zeeshan|2> hey both of you
[11:48:26] <zeeshan|2> relax
[11:48:33] <zeeshan|2> no one wants to run either bbb
[11:48:34] <zeeshan|2> or a cubie
[11:48:40] <zeeshan|2> run a real computer.
[11:48:46] <zeeshan|2> cheap bastards
[11:48:53] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[11:48:53] <ssi> zeeshan|2: it has nothing to do with cost!
[11:49:14] <ssi> Loetmichel: ;)
[11:49:17] <gkamysz> ok, so I did in fact install 10.04 on an identical antique box last year for a machine I haven't finished. it seems to run ok even if painfullly slow but not worse than the 8.04 box.
[11:49:25] <zeeshan|2> there is an abundance of pos computers in the trash to run linuxcnc
[11:49:26] <zeeshan|2> !
[11:49:26] <zeeshan|2> :D
[11:49:37] <ssi> yeah and I have far too many of them
[11:50:08] <ssi> when you have ten or fifteen CNC machines, you start wanting to come up with more space efficient and homogenous ways to manage them
[11:50:32] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: have any that fit into a pico-itx footprint?
[11:50:32] <jdh> one PC, 15 ethersteppers!
[11:50:41] <Jymmm> ssi: ethernet mesa cards ftw!
[11:50:51] <ssi> Jymmm, jdh: actually starting to lean that way pretty hard
[11:50:58] <ssi> I didn't even know they existed til last week
[11:51:02] <zeeshan|2> all my shit sits within a 24x24 box
[11:51:19] <zeeshan|2> !
[11:51:20] <ssi> regardless... the point of today's BS is that I have a steinkuehler CRAMPS kit, and I'm assembling it
[11:51:26] <ssi> and I'd like to at least play with his stuff
[11:51:31] <zeeshan|2> my vfd is right next to my power supplies and control board
[11:51:37] <zeeshan|2> i have no noise issues so far
[11:51:39] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: You have a a 24x24 toilet?! Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, baby's got back!!!
[11:51:44] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: haha
[11:52:16] <zeeshan|2> i've tried both bbb and raspberry pi
[11:52:20] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: mine sits on top of the water bucket for the spindle cooling ;-)
[11:52:21] <zeeshan|2> i can't watch porn and cnc at the same time
[11:52:23] <zeeshan|2> so ill never run em
[11:52:26] <zeeshan|2> !
[11:52:33] <ssi> zeeshan|2: you clearly miss the point :P
[11:52:44] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel: haha
[11:52:48] <ssi> also, rpi is the worst arm board on the market
[11:53:13] <jdh> my pi is fine for my use.
[11:53:24] <jdh> and the price was good
[11:53:34] <zeeshan|2> its like 20 bux
[11:53:41] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: any questions about safety? ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12533
[11:53:48] <ssi> in that $35 is like 20, yes
[11:54:02] <jdh> the other Pi is cheaper
[11:54:11] <zeeshan|2> a pentium 2 is like free
[11:54:15] <zeeshan|2> much rather have that :P
[11:54:19] <jdh> I don't use the ethernet anyway
[11:54:20] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: The best of both worlds... cnc porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S35PVCjyL8g
[11:54:25] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel: you're crazy!
[11:54:36] <zeeshan|2> live wires going everywhere :D
[11:54:42] <ssi> jdh: I use rpis for bitcoin mining controllers, and I need the ethernet for that
[11:54:45] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: that video is epic
[11:54:45] <Loetmichel> no, just electrican ;-)
[11:54:48] <ssi> I certainly don't run them with monitors on them :P
[11:55:15] <zeeshan|2> you know what the problem with buying cheap chinese indexable tools is?
[11:55:23] <zeeshan|2> ive been sitting here measuring them for the last couple of hours
[11:55:24] <jdh> you have cheap chinese indexable tools
[11:55:28] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: And when that's not enough for ya, here's the John Holmes / Ron Jeremy of cnc porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MFRPGf4JDk
[11:55:29] <zeeshan|2> so i can throw them in cam
[11:55:34] <ssi> zeeshan|2: having all that pesky money left over?
[11:55:43] <ssi> zeeshan|2: nononono
[11:55:48] <ssi> zeeshan|2: mount them in a repeatable way
[11:55:52] <ssi> zeeshan|2: then use touch off to tool table
[11:55:55] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:55:56] <zeeshan|2> ssi: no
[11:56:00] <ssi> hey ich
[11:56:04] <zeeshan|2> my cam software detect tool colision
[11:56:09] <zeeshan|2> so it needs the holder modelled accurately
[11:56:24] <ssi> oh la-dee-da with your cam ;)
[11:56:32] <ssi> whah cam are you using
[11:56:36] <zeeshan|2> nx
[11:56:43] <IchGuckLive> nice zeeshan|2 Mastercam vericut....
[11:56:56] <ssi> I don't use cam for lathe
[11:57:00] <ssi> haven't found anything that works for me
[11:57:05] <zeeshan|2> why
[11:57:10] <zeeshan|2> its so much easier to use
[11:57:16] <zeeshan|2> fak programming by hand
[11:57:43] <zeeshan|2> IchGuckLive: im trying to use nx so i can better remember it
[11:57:46] <IchGuckLive> K6MLE: ?
[11:57:48] <zeeshan|2> mastercam ive used a lot in the past
[11:58:59] <Jymmm> Ok, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S35PVCjyL8g#t=178 It drills, reams, taps, and then what is it doing just after this? blind hole tapping too???
[12:00:05] <Loetmichel> tapping a different thread i would think
[12:00:38] <Jymmm> Why two different styles/types of taps?
[12:00:41] <gkamysz> The second short tap is likely a form tap
[12:00:49] <Jymmm> form tap?
[12:01:07] <Jymmm> oh, displaces material instead of removing it?
[12:01:35] <Loetmichel> could be
[12:01:42] <Loetmichel> looks certainly like it
[12:01:45] <gkamysz> right
[12:02:03] <Jymmm> Why/when would you use a form tap? Like it that application?
[12:02:11] <Jymmm> in*
[12:02:26] <zeeshan|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vhCNX9-lEM
[12:02:29] <zeeshan|2> this is what i love about nx
[12:02:31] <SpeedEvil> It strengthens the material it's done in by work hardening
[12:02:35] <SpeedEvil> - in some materials
[12:02:35] <zeeshan|2> if you model your machine
[12:02:41] <zeeshan|2> you will never ever
[12:02:43] <zeeshan|2> have a tool crash again
[12:02:50] <zeeshan|2> cause you can watch it all before hand
[12:03:10] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: "done in" ?
[12:03:40] <zeeshan|2> forwared to 2 minutes
[12:03:41] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: the material the thread is cut/formed in
[12:03:42] <zeeshan|2> to see the real action :D
[12:04:05] <ssi> Jymmm: that's a hell of a machine
[12:04:12] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: ah
[12:04:19] <Jymmm> ssi: which one?
[12:04:41] <zeeshan|2> jymm
[12:04:43] <ssi> ctx gamma 2000 tc apparently
[12:04:44] <zeeshan|2> whats that tool after the tap
[12:04:53] <zeeshan|2> it looks like a thread forming tap
[12:04:56] <zeeshan|2> weird
[12:05:02] <Jymmm> ssi: then watch the ron jeremy of cnc porn too =)
[12:05:03] <gkamysz> form tap can be tricky because the hole often needs to be reamed.
[12:05:07] <ssi> Jymmm: haha ok
[12:05:44] <Jymmm> ssi: I bet you didn't count the axis'es either =)
[12:05:59] <ssi> heh with all the live tooling it gets hard to count :P
[12:06:09] <ssi> more than linuxcnc can address probably :P
[12:06:13] <Jymmm> i love the "hand off"
[12:06:16] <ssi> yeah
[12:06:16] <gkamysz> I use them in small holes with a tapping head manually to avoid tap breakage. form taps are generally stronger too because the don't have deep flutes
[12:06:43] <Jymmm> gkamysz: that's always a good thing =)
[12:06:57] <Loetmichel> they are also very useful wenn tapping in thin sheets of metal
[12:06:58] <Jymmm> gkamysz: Now, find me one in 2/56 =)
[12:06:59] <ssi> thread mill here at 6:30
[12:07:19] <ssi> oh man broaching too?
[12:07:20] <gkamysz> no swarf to clean, yeah i have them in M2, 2.5, 3 and 4
[12:07:24] <ssi> this guy's got everything :P
[12:07:38] <Loetmichel> because you dont weaken the "volcano" the punch had formed more than absolutely necessary
[12:08:15] <ssi> Jymmm: it looks like the part they're making was specifically designed to show off as many features as possible :P
[12:08:31] <Jymmm> ssi: 2000? yeah.
[12:08:35] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: on that topic
[12:08:37] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z-GoBMkZMg
[12:08:44] <SpeedEvil> Flow Drilling - cheap and easy at home.
[12:08:49] <Loetmichel> old trick
[12:08:58] <Loetmichel> used that back in the 80ties
[12:08:59] <gkamysz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38I6QqledQ
[12:09:05] <ssi> zeeshan|2: when I get the hnc back up you can instruct me how to nx ;)
[12:09:06] <Jymmm> ssi: 4000 is just massive. and yes, that IS what she said!
[12:09:20] <zeeshan|2> :)
[12:09:28] <ssi> Jymmm: watching the 4000-6000 vid now
[12:09:32] <zeeshan|2> idlsike that arduinovsevil guy
[12:09:37] <zeeshan|2> hes a tard
[12:09:50] <ssi> jesus 6 meter between spindles
[12:10:26] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: Entertaining at least IMO
[12:10:44] <IchGuckLive> gkamysz: tiny is offen the better way to fasten things up
[12:10:44] <ssi> Jymmm: god you were'nt kidding
[12:10:47] <ssi> this thing is ridiculous
[12:11:33] <ssi> is the toolpost just a massive AC servo?
[12:11:44] <Jymmm> ssi: I NEVER joke around about porn =)
[12:11:50] <ssi> :D
[12:12:15] <Jymmm> ssi: And it's always *QUALITY* porn!
[12:13:06] * ssi bows in respect
[12:13:25] <Jymmm> I wish they gave the dimensions of the valve at the end.
[12:13:29] <ssi> heheh yeah
[12:13:43] <Jymmm> I'm thinking cargo ship
[12:13:48] <gkamysz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-lx6zkYxFQ
[12:13:51] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: http://www.adultfilmcentral.com
[12:15:17] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Ha, not even close to QUALITY porn!
[12:15:56] <IchGuckLive> here in europ so many of this XXX channels on the satelites
[12:17:37] <IchGuckLive> todays TV guide for adults http://www.ultimatetvguide.com/TVguide_index.htm
[12:18:11] <jdh> s/adults/dysfunctional adult males/
[12:29:55] <IchGuckLive> hi Tecan and automata
[12:31:21] <gkamysz> where can I read about a ethernet mesa setup?
[12:31:35] <Jymmm> mesanet.com
[12:32:09] <Jymmm> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[12:32:32] <Jymmm> 7I80HD Ethernet Anything I/O card
[12:32:48] <IchGuckLive> HD not E
[12:32:55] <Jymmm> 7I76E Ethernet interfaced Step&dir plus I/O7I76 picture interface
[12:46:47] <gkamysz> i have 5i25 for one i'm working on. curious how one pc and mulitple cnc work with the ethernet cards? multiple windows of linuxcnc running.
[12:48:17] <pcw_home> AFAIK you can only run one instance of linuxcnc on one machine
[12:49:35] <gkamysz> comment above said one PC and severl ethersteppers, so I was wondering how that might work. I probably don't get it.
[12:49:43] <pcw_home> and like most (all?) realtime Ethernet devices, you need a dedicated link for the RT traffic
[12:49:45] <jdh> I was thinking one at at ime.
[12:50:17] <gkamysz> I see so a config for each machine
[12:51:29] <pcw_home> one at a time should work
[12:52:36] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: any testing yet with 2+ ethernet NIC's with mh2_eth?
[12:52:59] <pcw_home> Not supported b y the driver
[12:53:31] <pcw_home> probably possible though
[12:53:43] <CaptHindsight> what i was wondering :)
[12:54:13] <pcw_home> just like 2 or more PCI/PCIE cards can be used with hm2-pci
[12:54:17] <automata> pcw: how do I load firmware into a 7i90?
[12:54:25] <pcw_home> mesaflash
[12:54:32] <automata> ok got it...
[12:55:03] <automata> why is it not run-time loadable like the 7i43?
[12:55:04] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: what might the max actual data throughput be over hm2_eth?
[12:55:21] <automata> I understand about the 5i25 nd 6i25 series...
[12:56:04] <automata> that the firmware for PCI is loaded on the same FPGA
[12:56:12] <pcw_home> 7I90 is the same as a 5I25 nothing but a bare FPGA chip so you need to have something there to start
[12:56:18] <CaptHindsight> i was wondering about combining motion control and printhead data over the same link, but it can be separate NIC's and FPGA boards
[12:56:31] <pcw_home> (6i25 can be boostrapped from PCIE)
[12:57:13] <automata> ok.. i should order one soon and try it out...
[12:58:37] <pcw_home> hm2eth is probably only good for about 3-4 m bytes per second
[12:58:38] <pcw_home> fine for motion (faster than EPP anyway), not so fine for bulk data transfer
[12:59:36] <automata> for the 7i90, is it OK to change the pin assignments for the stepgens to make it like the 7i43-small?
[12:59:36] <pcw_home> for faster you probably want GigE
[13:00:15] <automata> and make a new bit file and load it?
[13:00:19] <pcw_home> I think there should be a similar pinout (pretty much all the 72 pin pinouts are there)
[13:00:38] <automata> i'll take a closer look...
[13:01:20] <automata> also can I have 12 stepgens on a 7i90? 6 stepgens on one connector and 6 on the other?
[13:01:40] <pcw_home> Sure 12 is ok
[13:01:41] <pcw_home> I can make a new one when i gate a chance
[13:01:44] <pcw_home> get
[13:01:55] <jdh> pcw: can you drive steppers through the tx side of a 7i34? (via a 7i43 or 5i23)
[13:02:14] <pcw_home> just email me a requested pinout and I'll add it to the pile
[13:02:25] <jdh> I seem to have a 7i43, 5i23, 7i34 and 7i37
[13:02:27] <pcw_home> jdh Sure
[13:02:33] <automata> Sure that will be great...
[13:02:46] <pcw_home> but needs appropriate pinout
[13:03:03] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: so no 100Mb frame buffer and 3-4mb motion over the same link :(
[13:03:25] <pcw_home> No :-(
[13:04:31] <ssi> CaptHindsight: is this for SLS or uv photostereolithography or something?
[13:04:34] <pcw_home> I think you want GigE or cabled PCIE
[13:06:21] <pcw_home> the Artix chips support 4 lanes of Gen2 PCIE and are only about $30 for the 325 pin version
[13:07:14] <ssi> pcw_home: what are the cable limits like on pcie?
[13:07:20] <ssi> lengthwise I mean
[13:07:30] <pcw_home> 10M maybe
[13:07:35] <ssi> oh wow
[13:07:40] <pcw_home> longer with fiber
[13:07:58] <Jymmm> pcw_home: EVERYTHING is longer with fiber =)
[13:08:52] <Jymmm> pcw_home: 30KM analog remote telemetry
[13:09:19] <Jymmm> pcw_home: (single mode)
[13:25:13] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: i need a 25m pendand !
[13:25:20] <IchGuckLive> t
[13:25:31] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: It's called wireless biotch!
[13:27:18] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Preferably over VPN/ssh with failsafe =)
[13:29:12] <Jymmm> I remember many moons ago driving thru NorCal and there would be signs on the side of the road "REMOTE DETONATORS IN USE - DO NOT USE CB RADIO IN THIS AREA" =)
[13:29:56] <IchGuckLive> thats why i need that cable
[13:30:28] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: crypto is cheaper than cable!
[13:31:21] <jdh> if you were relying on a sign to keep your explosives from detonating, you have problems.
[13:31:26] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Nobody is gonna hax0r your pendant, you don't need anything heavy.
[13:31:59] <Jymmm> jdh: Tell me about it, and they were HUGE signs too. No ways to miss them (multiple)
[13:32:10] <jdh> I recall seeing them here also
[13:32:37] <Jymmm> But RF can do funny things in mountain terrains too.
[13:32:47] <Jymmm> (harmonics, etc)
[13:33:14] <Jymmm> Plus CBers would have a KW amps too
[13:40:53] <IchGuckLive> ok im OFF bye
[13:45:12] <Swapper_> annyone here have any experience with kollmorgen servo drive ? S400 ?
[13:46:14] <archivist> what is the real question
[13:46:48] <Swapper_> got a problem that the rs232 to the drive stoped working suddenly
[13:47:02] <Swapper_> so cant make any changes in the drive
[13:47:14] <Swapper_> its not the cable since a other identical drive works
[13:48:54] <archivist> in a case like that I get inside with a scope, trace the signals and see if they are getting through the interface chips
[13:49:39] <Swapper_> humz, a reason to get a scope :)
[13:49:48] <archivist> make sure you signals are proper RS232 levels, PCs are often out of spec
[13:50:01] <Swapper_> yea and its a laptop
[13:50:09] <Swapper_> so who knows it might been on the edge
[13:51:07] <CaptHindsight> $600 even on ebay for those
[13:51:53] <CaptHindsight> Swapper_: DC servo version?
[13:51:59] <Swapper_> ac servo 400v
[13:52:42] <Swapper_> running with 2 2kw servos one for z and one for the spindle
[13:53:10] <Swapper_> and the drive works with all the settings i progremed before the rs232 whent out
[13:53:26] <Swapper_> thaught its a shitty problem for a good drive
[13:53:39] <CaptHindsight> it might be just one bad connection
[13:54:08] <Swapper_> yea i have the drive on my desk now to be able to check some more
[13:54:36] <CaptHindsight> checking the solder joints and connection with a multimeter won't cost you much more than some time
[13:54:39] <Swapper_> i would like to make a factory reset on it but cant find anything in the datasheet on how
[13:54:58] <archivist> I cannot imagine life without a real scope
[13:54:58] <Swapper_> seems all is done via the rs232
[13:55:08] <Swapper_> any recommendations ?
[13:55:19] <Swapper_> have been thinking of it
[13:56:02] <archivist> for rs232 the cheapest may well be good enough as it is a slow signal
[13:57:04] <Swapper_> but i would not buy it only for this fix
[13:57:17] <Swapper_> then it would be used for other stuff
[13:58:04] <archivist> for general rough work I have an old 20mhz dual beam scope
[13:59:01] <Swapper_> is a regol any good ?
[13:59:31] <Swapper_> i read one review with a scope that you could hack to get doubble the freq
[14:00:29] <SpeedEvil> rigol
[14:00:42] <Swapper_> ahh yea sorry
[14:00:47] <Swapper_> cant even type today
[14:00:50] <archivist> rigols get mentioned in ##electronics often, they are the subcontractor for Agilent
[14:01:03] <mozmck> I've seen good reviews of them and no real negative.
[14:01:12] <mozmck> I will probably get one sometime.
[14:02:22] <archivist> I am not fussy about new so tend to get second hand even known faulty
[14:04:36] <Swapper_> Rigol DS1052E seems like a deasent scope
[14:05:05] <mozmck> same here, but at 399 for a 100Mhz scope, you can hardly find a good used one for that price. http://www.saelig.com/PSBE1002/PSBEB100019.htm
[14:05:08] <Swapper_> and it seems to be able to be hacked for 100mhz
[14:05:52] <mozmck> I paid $300 on Ebay for a 300 mhz HP scope with new probes, but I did have to solder a new battery on the motherboard.
[14:06:18] <mozmck> But it is only 1Gs/sec just like the Rigol
[14:06:35] <mozmck> and that makes as much difference as the bandwidth.
[14:07:51] <mozmck> Swapper_: for $60 difference I think I'd let them hack it :)
[14:08:11] <Swapper_> its only a firmware
[14:12:25] <mozmck> Swapper_: For rs232 I would use a logic analyser. I have this one: https://www.saleae.com/logic and it is quite nice. Software runs in linux, and it will decode the signals for you.
[14:14:41] <Swapper_> looks nice, but could that not be done with a scope ?
[14:15:07] <Swapper_> i realy only need to know if the rs232 transiver in the servoamp is broken or not
[14:15:20] <Swapper_> the rest of the function is working still
[14:15:42] <mozmck> you can do that with a scope - yes.
[14:16:24] <mozmck> I guess with stuff I'm doing I often need to see if packets are correct & etc.
[14:17:14] <Swapper_> one alternetive is to change the chip anyhow
[14:17:15] <archivist> I have an anteeeeeek HP RS232 analyser for messages
[14:22:42] <Swapper_> thres quite a bit of crudd on the pins of the chips
[14:22:51] <Swapper_> guess ill clean it some
[14:30:39] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[14:31:43] <Swapper_> seems its all coated in some protective film
[14:31:58] <Swapper_> guess that would rule out crudd being a problem
[14:32:00] <Loetmichel> for a CNC6040: which coupling is better for steppers-> ballscrews? this? -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/151235327019 or this -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/1511896395437
[14:32:05] <archivist> conformal coating
[14:33:10] <archivist> the second link gets an error page
[14:33:44] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/221475776216
[14:33:46] <Loetmichel> better?
[14:34:19] <Swapper_> i have run with the first ones and it broke, probably to to big a untru error
[14:34:42] <Swapper_> i would vote for the http://www.ebay.de/itm/221475776216
[14:34:59] <Swapper_> its nice to be able to remove the motor without messing with the setscrews
[14:35:10] <Loetmichel> thats my problem, too. had to repair the third coupling yesterday
[14:35:28] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14193
[14:35:32] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14196
[14:35:46] <Loetmichel> ... but i doubt that that will last forever ;)
[14:36:20] <Swapper_> and you probly made it stiffer ?
[14:36:49] <Loetmichel> yeah, one "bend" less than before, obviously ;)
[14:37:01] <jdh> that just means something else is taking the load instead?
[14:37:32] <Loetmichel> yeah, the other 4 bends
[14:37:55] <Loetmichel> thats why i searched for the spiral types
[14:38:21] <Loetmichel> the "discs with 90° shifted bends" seem not the best for this machine ;-)
[14:39:20] <Loetmichel> i am just in doubt which one of the types (the "fingers with rubber star" oder the "spiral" will have less bend on torque
[14:39:35] <Loetmichel> so the position is right at accelerating
[14:40:15] <DaViruz> http://www.jeffree.co.uk/images/taig-mill-p1-photo04.jpg
[14:40:18] <DaViruz> i like that type
[14:40:28] <Loetmichel> oldenham?
[14:40:33] <Swapper_> dont think you will notice the accuracy based on these two, go for the split type.
[14:41:07] <DaViruz> Loetmichel: my supplier calls them oldham huco
[14:41:33] <Loetmichel> oh, oldham
[14:41:42] <DaViruz> there is a lot of different torque discs available with differing strength and allowed errorr
[14:41:49] <Loetmichel> my memory... was better in my earlier days ;-)
[14:42:01] <DaViruz> my memory never was very good
[14:42:12] <DaViruz> i've never forfotten anything as far as i can remember..
[14:42:28] <Swapper_> haha
[14:43:30] <Swapper_> DaViruz: have you studied iJKPG ?
[14:43:36] <Swapper_> in
[14:43:44] <Loetmichel> i once said to a young guy that had gotten on my nerves: "i have forgotten more than twice the stuff you will EVER learn in your life. and still know 10 times the stuff you do" ;-)
[14:44:07] <DaViruz> Swapper_: nope
[14:44:29] <Swapper_> thught i recognised the nic
[14:44:37] <zeeshan|2> does linuxcnc understand 'g92 S1000' then g96 s75 ?
[14:44:48] <zeeshan|2> the first g code sets maximum spindle speed
[14:44:51] <zeeshan|2> g96 sets sfm
[14:46:05] <Swapper_> G96 D2500 S250 (set CSS with a max rpm of 2500 and a surface speed of 250)
[14:46:10] <Swapper_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G96-G97-Spindle
[14:47:32] <Swapper_> G92 is Coordinate System Offset ?
[14:48:30] <cradek> using g92 for spindle stuff would be very odd
[14:50:11] <DaViruz> Loetmichel: if you don't mind me asking, do the cnc6040 have functinoal limits / homing=
[14:50:16] <DaViruz> functional/reliable
[14:50:30] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: MINE has
[14:50:35] <Loetmichel> standard: none
[14:50:45] <DaViruz> i see
[14:51:29] <jdh> Loetmichel: can you post some pics of your limit switches
[14:51:47] <Loetmichel> jdh: simple as can be
[14:53:21] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14133&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- the black square right on the z axis for example
[14:54:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14148&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- a bit better to see here
[14:54:44] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14483&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[14:55:07] <Loetmichel> the y one is on the other side front on the front beam
[14:55:14] <Loetmichel> no photo there, sorry
[14:55:29] <Loetmichel> but they are simple micrositches
[14:55:53] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=560 <- like these
[14:55:55] <DaViruz> looks straight forward enough
[14:56:34] <Loetmichel> ... youi jist have to have an M2.5 tap ;-)
[14:56:53] <Loetmichel> because the holes in these micro switches are only 2.5mm diameter ;-)
[14:57:50] <Loetmichel> and these switches are surprisingly reliable and precise
[14:57:52] <Swapper_> its so tiny! i had to drill through my mount plate and put a nut on the other side
[14:58:26] <DaViruz> i have an M2 tap, that'll have to do
[14:58:28] <DaViruz> :)
[14:58:33] <Loetmichel> i just drilled 2mm holes in the cnc6040 and tapped m2.5
[14:59:36] <Loetmichel> i used them on the "big" cnc also
[15:00:00] <Loetmichel> ... a bit more sophisticated there: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7411
[15:00:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7414
[15:02:02] <Swapper_> http://picpaste.com/IMG_1289-WE4F6ip2.JPG
[15:02:19] <DaViruz> i would like to find one without motors and drivers, i have all the motors and drivers i want
[15:02:33] <DaViruz> and i don't think i even want the ones they include
[15:04:38] <_methods> http://linuxgizmos.com/atom-e3800-based-industrial-pc-boots-from-just-about-everything/
[15:05:33] <Swapper_> _methods: that one with a pci express slot would be nice
[15:05:37] <Swapper_> for a mesa
[15:05:40] <DaViruz> boots from usb web camera pointed at old punch cards
[15:05:43] <_methods> $600 though
[15:05:45] <_methods> kinda high
[15:06:05] <_methods> nice little enclosure though
[15:06:41] <_methods> haha yeah i don't get the "boots from anything"
[15:06:48] <_methods> ahhaha
[15:06:59] <_methods> boots from usb webcam
[15:07:06] <_methods> dats funny
[15:09:03] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: just FYI, new ARM COM project https://rabbit.io/about.html
[15:15:33] <CaptHindsight> from the same (Yellow Devils) people that did the http://radxa.com/ and http://cubieboard.org/
[15:30:03] <gkamysz> trying to update that old box to 10.04 was pointless it was running for a couple hours and only half done. I made a disk instead. The machine is simple so it will be easy.
[15:30:47] <CaptHindsight> gkamysz: what cpu and chipset (just out of curiosity)?
[15:31:12] <gkamysz> p3 coppermine in a dell optiplex g150
[15:31:32] <gkamysz> disk installed in maybe 15 minutes
[15:32:38] <CaptHindsight> I have some 14 year new old stock PC's with K6-360's I have to try, they have Fedora 6 on them from 05'
[15:34:24] <gkamysz> intel 815 it looks like. this setup with a video card gave me 23,000 jitter.
[15:36:47] <gkamysz> without video it was rated much better in the wiki
[15:38:02] <gkamysz> uhoh i wonder how long the fan for the power supply hasn't been working.
[15:49:27] <CaptHindsight> might be years :)
[15:56:04] <syyl_> Jymmm, what was the name of the nonhazard-cooleant you mentioned a few days ago?
[16:17:55] <Swapper_> Is it possible to get linuxcnc to read status from the comport via ascii commands and get them to display onscreen ?
[16:18:08] <Swapper_> like in glade
[16:18:11] <gkamysz> i guess it runs a bit better than i remember, about 15us max jitter, so it will be fine with Lucid. this box lives another day
[16:24:47] <JT-Shop> ssi, I was messing around with the plasma today and the bent up metal and after some tests I got the voltage to stay within a couple of volts
[16:34:49] <PCW> THC tracking could probably be improved a bit by using proportional control instead of a fixed correction velocity
[16:39:25] <JT-Shop> carp my LAN is forked... I've been playing with a different version of the thc component and the correction is multiplied by a gain that seems to work
[16:39:56] <JT-Shop> I also have the THCAD frequency going through a PID
[16:42:07] <JT-Shop> no, it is hooked to the 5i25 encoder velocity in
[16:42:29] * JT-Shop needs to gather it all up for review
[17:20:59] <LeelooMinai> Hmm
[17:21:58] <Deejay> gn8
[17:22:59] <LeelooMinai> I want to make part of my room (an l-shaped area) dedicated to some machinery - cnc machine, drill press, etc.) It already is, but I want to make the floor on that area different than what it is now (laminate panels.) Any ideas? I wanted aluminum diamond plate with maybe those backer boards they use for tiles, but that diamond plate is a bit expensive ($200 for more for my area.)
[17:23:37] <LeelooMinai> It's on the first floor and it's just wooden floor
[17:23:43] <_methods> alum diamond plate on the floor?
[17:24:06] <LeelooMinai> Well, yes... isn't that what it is usally put on?
[17:24:16] <_methods> make sure you shoot it with that non skid
[17:24:34] <_methods> oil on alum equals elbow full of diamonds
[17:25:02] <LeelooMinai> Well, as I said, I wanted it, but it's expensive - not sure if I will go with it, but I don't have an idea yet for something else.
[17:25:25] <mozmck> wood was used in all machine shops for years I hear. I've only seen concrete in any now.
[17:25:26] <LeelooMinai> Laminate panels are not very good as of now - I want to rempove them from that l-shaped area
[17:26:11] <_methods> at my last shop we had some crazy aluminum dust cement plank floorig
[17:26:12] <LeelooMinai> Well, the floor is already wood, but I cannot just leave it bare
[17:26:19] <_methods> i can't remember what it was called
[17:26:23] <_methods> super durable
[17:26:36] <LeelooMinai> sluminum dust cement plank - lol... what is it even
[17:26:47] <_methods> i can't remember what the brand name was
[17:26:54] <_methods> it's like cement board
[17:26:59] <_methods> with aluminum mixed in
[17:27:09] <LeelooMinai> Sounds pretty weird
[17:27:21] <LeelooMinai> I wonder what was aluminum for
[17:28:08] <_methods> i guess for durability
[17:28:16] <_methods> i'm trying to find it now
[17:28:38] <LeelooMinai> Maybe for abrasion resistance
[17:30:54] <SpeedEvil> Just stick down some ply
[17:31:07] <_methods> http://www.aluminumfloors.com/downloads/FloorTiles.pdf
[17:31:26] <_methods> i think that's the same stuff
[17:31:40] <LeelooMinai> _methods: Seems exotic - I doubt I can afford it
[17:31:44] <_methods> we had that pattern 6
[17:31:45] <_methods> ahh
[17:31:55] <_methods> yeah i don't think it was cheap lol
[17:32:11] <SpeedEvil> Aluminium dust will never, ever be incement.
[17:32:11] <_methods> but i don't think it was as much as diamond plate
[17:32:33] <SpeedEvil> If you add aluminium dust into cement, you get _lots_ of bubbles
[17:32:43] <SpeedEvil> this is used in making aerated concrete blocks
[17:33:08] <_methods> man i'm not fuckin mason and i really don't know exactly what it was made of
[17:33:21] <_methods> i was just offering up a flooring idea
[17:33:46] <LeelooMinai> Man, home depot sometimes annoys me - they don't give basic info, for example what the thing is made off.
[17:33:47] <CaptHindsight> aluminum oxide flooring is very duruable
[17:33:57] <CaptHindsight> sand paper floor
[17:34:01] <LeelooMinai> I mean, what is this: http://www.homedepot.ca/product/allure-commercial-confetti-coffee-24-sqft-case/915999
[17:34:59] <LeelooMinai> Ok, it's vinyl tile:)
[17:35:09] <CaptHindsight> polymer aggregate tiles
[17:35:38] <_methods> all i know is it's super durable i did have a strap break on me when i decided to move a horizontal pallet from one machine to another with a fixture still on it
[17:35:46] <_methods> it still fucked up the floor
[17:35:50] <SpeedEvil> 'Only problem was when it came to cutting. Used hint of using knife with poor results, so set up table saw with a veneer blade 0f 120 tooth and cutting slowly worked nicely. Had to go slowly as sparks flew and smell of burnt rubber was noticeable, but this method worker better then anything else I tried."
[17:36:23] <gkamysz> i spoke too soon. linuxcnc hangs after opening but before the back plot displays. I might have to do something different.
[17:37:37] <LeelooMinai> Hmm I guess steel diamond plate will be not much cheaper then aluminum one
[17:38:01] <andypugh> gkamysz: Joined late. Care to recap?
[17:39:46] <CaptHindsight> P3 linuxcnc re-install to upgrade from 8.04 or even earlier
[17:39:59] <gkamysz> ancient dell optiplex p3 900. installed the current live cd to get away from the 2.2.8 i was running
[17:40:21] <andypugh> Hangs are odd.
[17:40:30] <CaptHindsight> gkamysz: does it do it every time?
[17:40:58] <andypugh> Have you tried starting from the command line, you might get a clue where it hangs.
[17:40:59] <gkamysz> hangs linux, mouse moves, but can't do anyhting.
[17:42:03] <gkamysz> once or twice linuxcnc gave an error and closed. So i made a new config
[17:43:15] <gkamysz> i'll try from command line, in terminal?
[17:43:33] <andypugh> If you edit the INI file so insead of [DISPLAY]DISPLAY=axis it is [DISPLAY]DISPLAY=tklinuxcnc you can elimiate opengl/graphics issues
[17:43:53] <andypugh> Yes, just “linuxcnc” in the terminal
[17:47:24] <gkamysz> it opened with tk
[17:47:36] <andypugh> Aha! a smoking gnu
[17:48:08] <gkamysz> kinda figured it was graphics
[17:48:19] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#Display_Issues
[17:49:19] <gkamysz> this has a rage 128 pro card, I know I messed with it when I set this box up under 8.04 in 2008 I'll ba back after dinner
[17:49:38] <gkamysz> thanks andy
[18:45:16] <zeeshan|2> when i am in spindle CSS mode
[18:45:27] <zeeshan|2> do i need to write g94 g00
[18:45:29] <zeeshan|2> before each rapid
[18:45:46] <zeeshan|2> sorry that was confusing.
[18:45:55] <zeeshan|2> when i have g95 turned on (units per revolution)
[18:46:11] <zeeshan|2> do i need to do g94 (units per minute feed rate) before i do g00
[18:46:31] <zeeshan|2> or is g00 always set to whatever the maximum ipm is?
[18:50:11] <andypugh> No. Go does not conform to CSS
[18:54:12] <CaptHindsight> does Touchy work with a gamepad or is it setup for a MPG?
[18:55:01] * zeeshan|2 has been making a custom post builder
[18:55:04] <zeeshan|2> to work with linuxcnc
[18:55:09] <zeeshan|2> what a pain in the ass it has been
[18:55:16] <zeeshan|2> but i think i have something thats outputting consistently
[18:55:18] <CaptHindsight> what will the posts support?
[18:55:29] <zeeshan|2> lathe operations
[18:55:36] <zeeshan|2> it was outputting weird CSS stuff for spindle
[18:55:41] <zeeshan|2> like g92 max spindle speed
[18:55:46] <zeeshan|2> then g96 surface speed
[18:55:59] <zeeshan|2> instead of g96 d_max_spindle_rpm s_surface_speed
[18:56:10] <zeeshan|2> took a while to get it to output right
[18:56:41] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I think you could hide from Touchy that the interface was a gamepad. But I am not sure it would be wise.
[18:57:52] <CaptHindsight> just thinking about it, Touchy with a cap touch panel might be good enough
[18:58:05] <andypugh> A Shuttle Pro might work well.
[18:59:25] <CaptHindsight> really don't need the wheel, it's for a gantry that only has 2 axis and doesn't change programs that often
[19:00:08] <CaptHindsight> but I'm seeing more applications like this, more process control than machinetool
[19:00:34] <CaptHindsight> process control with coordinated motion
[19:04:27] <CaptHindsight> the other nice thing would be to have a "learn" mode where you manually move the machine through paths and it saves the g-code
[19:16:10] <zeeshan|2> hm
[19:16:12] <zeeshan|2> this is confusing
[19:16:32] <zeeshan|2> is the cam already calculating the coordinates accounting for insert nose radius
[19:16:47] <zeeshan|2> hmm, i think it is!
[19:18:09] <zeeshan|2> when i do T01
[19:18:18] <zeeshan|2> does its tool length offsets automatically load up?
[19:24:08] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: For process control eschew G-code
[19:24:52] <andypugh> Limit3 is an (almost) complete moton controller, and can take target points from any source.
[19:25:10] <zeeshan|2> help me!! :P
[19:25:24] <zeeshan|2> my cam outputs code that accounts for the tip radius
[19:25:42] <zeeshan|2> so i dont think i need cutter compensation
[19:25:55] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: No, without a G43 the tool length offset is not considered
[19:26:39] <zeeshan|2> so i need to do T01 M6
[19:26:41] <zeeshan|2> then
[19:26:47] <zeeshan|2> G43 H01
[19:26:47] <zeeshan|2> ?
[19:27:07] <andypugh> You can skip the H if H matches T
[19:27:28] <zeeshan|2> okay cause cam is outputting
[19:27:34] <zeeshan|2> T01 H01 M06
[19:27:45] <zeeshan|2> can i do T01 G43 H01 M06
[19:27:53] <zeeshan|2> or g43 needs to be by itself
[19:29:11] <andypugh> Hmm, it rather depends on your setup, but by default I think that a H in a T M06 line is just wrong.
[19:31:30] <andypugh> But, if the CAM is already doing the compensation, you don’t want the G43
[19:31:54] <zeeshan|2> cam is doing the compensation for the nose radius
[19:32:04] <zeeshan|2> not the length difference in tools
[19:32:16] <andypugh> Hmm.
[19:32:21] <zeeshan|2> basically, i need to zero out both tools
[19:32:30] <zeeshan|2> and save those values in a register
[19:32:42] <andypugh> OK, then as long as there is no G42, you do want the G43
[19:32:44] <zeeshan|2> and adjust them by those values when the tool is called up
[19:32:49] <zeeshan|2> yes there no g42
[19:36:10] <zeeshan|2> okay sweet
[19:36:19] <zeeshan|2> its outputting T01 m6 , then next line g43 h01
[19:36:56] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: if it was just process control, but it's programmed motion paths with feedback from sensors
[19:37:32] <andypugh> Then you need to consider the exact situation.
[19:37:58] <andypugh> Sometimes that could be a HAL-only + GIU, sometimes you need the coordinated axis thing.
[19:38:20] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: it's shades of grey in between, it's not just one situation, it's many types of machines
[19:39:06] <CaptHindsight> trying to keep it as simple as possible with a standard a user interface as possible
[19:39:10] <zeeshan|2> just need to figure out how to N0030 G49 N0040 T01 M06 N0050 G43 H01
[19:39:11] <zeeshan|2> er
[19:39:16] <andypugh> (You can do coordinated moves without G-code in a custom GUI, I part-completed a dedicated laser raster confing. JPG goes in, laser scannng comes out, no G-code anywhere)
[19:39:24] <zeeshan|2> N0030 G49 N0040 T01 M06 N0050 G43 H01N0030 G49 N0040 T01 M06 N0050 G43 H01N0030 G49
[19:39:24] <zeeshan|2> N0040 T01 M06
[19:39:24] <zeeshan|2> N0050 G43 H01
[19:39:34] <zeeshan|2> ..
[19:39:36] <zeeshan|2> whoops!
[19:39:45] <zeeshan|2> so basically im doing a g49 before any tool change, just to be safe
[19:39:51] <andypugh> But as I don’t own a laser, I proved it could work, and lost interesrt :-)
[19:39:55] <zeeshan|2> dont want a random tool offset kicking in
[19:39:59] <CaptHindsight> yes, it will evolve over time into something :)
[19:40:45] <CaptHindsight> like general purpose robots
[19:42:03] <CaptHindsight> you get some basic control software with a pendant
[19:43:03] <zeeshan|2> sweet
[19:43:04] <zeeshan|2> no more erro
[19:43:07] <zeeshan|2> IT LOADED
[19:46:10] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Step 2: Does it fill the local volume with expensive carbide tooling.
[19:46:19] <andypugh> Step 3: Make Profit
[19:47:58] <andypugh> Doomed attempt to make profit: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111398572413 There are literally several owners round the world :-)
[19:49:30] <andypugh> Actually: zultron ! I haz parts for your bike: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111398572413
[19:53:34] <andypugh> (yes, in a bizarre coincidence, two of the literally several owners also do LinuxCNC)
[19:54:02] <jdh> is that really a concidence?
[19:55:26] <andypugh> I am not sure. It’s like last weekend when, 200 miles from work, the only two cars in the car spares car park in Huddersfield were test cars, from work.
[19:56:35] <andypugh> Now, had it been a flower shop it would have been amazing. But even as it was, given that we were both there 15 minutes, it’s a bit wierd.
[19:58:08] <andypugh> I would guess that every weekend 50 cars leave the site. They go all over the UK, but are biased towards long journeys.
[19:59:20] <andypugh> So, the probability distribution is non-normal, and hard to guess, and willl be locally perturbed by attactors
[20:02:37] <Jymmm> If syyl comes around, tell him the non-hazardous cutting/tapping fluid is tapmatic aquacut
[20:02:45] <Jymmm> cinnamon scented =)
[20:04:36] <Jymmm> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/2360-01216-lps-aquacut-cutting-metalworking-fluids-coolants.html
[20:04:53] <jdh> my 6040 box showed up... but it was only box 2 of 2
[20:05:29] <Jymmm> Enco has free shipping on >$200 order... code: FREEUPS
[20:05:53] <Jymmm> Oh man, fre shipping limited to 125lbs... bstards
[20:06:18] <Jymmm> jdh: not the main box either I suppose?
[20:07:00] <jdh> haven't opened it yet (no room) but I would guess it is just the electronics and spindle
[20:07:24] <Jymmm> jdh: and where is the wife presently?
[20:07:58] <jdh> she didn't say a word
[20:08:04] <Jymmm> Uh oh
[20:08:55] <jdh> I got a biggish box from onlinemetals.com yesterday and mentioned I would be getting a bigger one today.
[20:09:10] <Jymmm> jdh: What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?
[20:09:12] <jdh> so she probably assumes it is just more metal. which it is. kind of.
[20:09:23] <jdh> happy
[20:09:31] <Jymmm> lol
[20:09:35] <jdh> <= married well
[20:09:46] <Jymmm> =)
[20:10:24] <jdh> I shall go make room to open it.
[20:10:30] <Jymmm> Well, quick shred the box into a fine powder and sprinkle on top! before that "well" becomes "well done"
[20:12:57] <zeeshan|2> what do you guys use for a reference tool
[20:13:11] <zeeshan|2> just a regular roughing tool? :p
[20:13:19] <Jymmm> jdh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D3jxdGZshpo#t=57
[20:13:57] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: help! :P
[20:13:59] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: electron microscope?
[20:14:21] <zeeshan|2> ps. andypugh i enjoyed your spindle vfd indexing videos :P
[20:14:27] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: lol
[20:20:49] <andypugh> My reference tool is my turning/facing tool.
[20:22:12] <andypugh> but, to be honest. half the time I have messed it up and I am tweaking the tool offsets to make the part I want (with a different tool)
[20:34:04] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[20:34:09] <zeeshan|2> i'm confused on what the heck im doing
[20:34:38] <zeeshan|2> so i touched off and set g54
[20:34:55] <zeeshan|2> after that i did "T02 M06" in the mdi
[20:35:11] <zeeshan|2> and tried to touch off the second tool and hit "T Tool touch off"
[20:35:28] <zeeshan|2> and everytime i do that, it overwrites my values in the tool table and puts in stuff about end mills??
[20:41:56] <zeeshan|2> ah i gotta specify a g43.
[20:48:35] <andypugh> It’s a bit confusing as you can choose to work in a number of ways, all variously valid
[20:51:56] <jdh> Jymmm: I understood the reference. I just prefer to think of the more pleasant versions of being screwed.
[20:52:43] <jdh> This box had the spindle, electronics, steppers, pump, gantry and silverware
[20:59:06] <ssi> JT-Shop: I'm interested to see what you come up with on the THC fixes
[21:01:43] <Jymmm> jdh: that's always implied
[21:03:30] <jdh> wonder if DHL will deliver on the 4th. Or on Saturday
[21:04:18] <Jymmm> jdh: did you pat for Saturday/holiday deivery?
[21:04:23] <Jymmm> pay*
[21:04:31] <jdh> got me.
[21:04:36] <jdh> $372 shipping.
[21:04:51] <Jymmm> no clue, haven't used dhl in decades
[21:04:54] <jdh> seems like they should have shipped both packages at the same time.
[21:05:45] <andypugh> What day are you out? They will choose that day.
[21:05:57] <Jymmm> andypugh++
[21:06:22] <jdh> 4th is a holiday
[21:06:44] <Jymmm> jdh: tomorrow or monday
[21:07:27] <Jymmm> if the label says "box 2 of 2", might recheck the traacking number
[21:07:42] <andypugh> I recently ordered something from eBay. Just too late I realised they were two miles away. 7 days later I got to pick the stuff up from a parcel depot 20 miles away…
[21:08:05] <RyanS> are metric fine threads going to provide the same seal as BSP parrallel? Or is there some other reason
[21:08:06] <Jymmm> ouch
[21:08:57] <andypugh> RyanS: I think they will seal equally badly.
[21:09:30] <andypugh> If you want a seal normally one thread is tapered
[21:09:55] <RyanS> yeah, so I don't get the point of BSPP, requires an o-ring
[21:10:39] <andypugh> With an O-ring it really doesn’t matter
[21:11:42] <RyanS> Apparently, ISO standard is the female is always parallel and, at the mail is tapered, but I can't imagine why
[21:11:54] <RyanS> male*
[21:12:02] <andypugh> BSP has rounded crest and root, metric and ANSI have rounded root and flat crest. So with sealant BSP will seal better, there is no round-flat spiral leak path
[21:13:17] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Pipe
[21:14:39] <RyanS> ah, so BSPT is ideal, but BSPP is beter with teflon tape than metric
[21:15:56] <andypugh> I think so.
[21:17:14] <andypugh> Nighty-night all
[21:18:35] <jdh> Please don.t worry. Another box is on the way to America.
[21:18:37] <jdh> Sometimes there is no enough space on one plane, so the second box will be placed to another plane
[21:28:07] <Jymmm> or sometimes we need more time so we send you the first box, and wait till we can for the second box!
[21:36:39] <ssi> jdh: they're really earning their $372, eh
[21:38:42] <jdh> no complaints about the first box. 5 days earlier than they said it would be.
[21:39:08] <Jymmm> thats nice
[21:39:22] <Jymmm> (not sarcasim)
[21:40:33] <jdh> packed well also
[21:40:53] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/l5uuv8l
[21:40:58] <Jymmm> I hope you are taking pics of it all
[21:40:59] <jdh> ballnut bearing mounts are iffy
[21:41:01] <Jymmm> lol
[21:41:48] <LeelooMinai> jdh: Instead of blocks? Why?
[21:42:04] <jdh> everything looks decently wired (very surprising) They did not run a ground wire from the VFD to the spindle.
[21:42:10] * Jymmm dont do short urls
[21:42:32] <jdh> Leeloo: it looks like they excel at removing costs
[21:42:57] <LeelooMinai> jdh: But why are they "iffy"? No adjustments?
[21:43:05] <jdh> see the above URL
[21:43:24] <LeelooMinai> I saw that - I am just asking.
[21:43:27] <jdh> s/iffy/half-assed/
[21:43:54] <jdh> the Z one has on fixed portion
[21:43:56] <LeelooMinai> Well, I can see those two screws holding hte bearing - that's lame...
[21:44:15] <jdh> there is nothing holding the screw to the bearing. No preload
[21:44:34] <Jymmm> maybe it's floating
[21:44:37] <jdh> the X is in tension so it isn't supported that well, it doesn't look like it will matter.
[21:44:50] <jdh> it is... both ends are floating afaict
[21:45:09] <LeelooMinai> I mean the bearing is being hold by two screws that overlap it on the adge and are not flashed - that's kind not very elegant
[21:45:12] <Jymmm> BOTH ends floating is weird
[21:45:31] <jdh> it is not so elegant, but for the bearing, that's really all that is needed.
[21:45:42] <Jymmm> is there play in the leadscrew?
[21:45:49] <Jymmm> left to right?
[21:45:53] <jdh> it is the lack of screw/bearing fixation that is the problem.
[21:45:57] <jdh> doesn't seem to be any.
[21:46:12] <Jymmm> backlash?
[21:46:22] <Jymmm> when turning leadscrew?
[21:46:51] <jdh> the gantry looks fairly rigid. 15mm aluminum frame.
[21:47:09] <LeelooMinai> lol, what is the dinnerware - a bonus gift? :)
[21:47:11] <jdh> I just twisted it by hand. Didn't notice any but I doubt you would
[21:47:22] <jdh> yeah. kinda weird.
[22:02:46] <ssi> hah
[22:08:23] <ssi> ok, machinekit image, here we go
[22:24:10] <zeeshan|2> looks like tool offsets worked..
[22:24:13] <zeeshan|2> somewhat..
[22:26:49] <zeeshan|2> or not
[22:27:01] <zeeshan|2> part measures 1.202 diameter
[22:27:10] <zeeshan|2> and i was commanding 1.140
[22:27:12] <zeeshan|2> wtf!
[22:29:14] <zeeshan|2> interesting
[22:29:18] <zeeshan|2> the g-code demands 1.202
[22:29:32] <zeeshan|2> but the model is 1.140 ..
[23:13:44] <XXCoder> finally
[23:13:51] <XXCoder> got a new car. only its not a car :P
[23:17:19] <ssi> is it a boat?
[23:17:29] <XXCoder> was playing with words lol
[23:17:32] <XXCoder> its a van
[23:17:42] <XXCoder> I dont need all that space but whatever
[23:27:45] <Jymmm> mini van? hippy van? cargo van? stalker van?
[23:29:39] <XXCoder> no window van
[23:29:47] <XXCoder> its actually TARDIS in form of van
[23:32:41] <CaptHindsight> well it did ship with complementary chopsticks
[23:33:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Tardis? http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4000000/tardis-exterior-tardis-4029155-1280-1024.jpg
[23:33:34] <Jymmm> XXCoder: btw... no windows = stalker van!
[23:33:57] <XXCoder> no, accient prone van
[23:34:05] <XXCoder> 3 windows is stalker van
[23:34:57] <Jymmm> NOW we know why there is 'XX' in your nick, soon to be 'XXXX'
[23:35:12] <CaptHindsight> jdh: are those nuts are on the insides of the bearings?
[23:37:12] <CaptHindsight> it looks like they preload the bearings against each other (opposite ends of the ballscrew)
[23:38:50] <CaptHindsight> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EBUv_F21Mig/U7Sye4smBDI/AAAAAAAAGFU/tqGwXVLlbq0/w415-h738-no/20140702_210439.jpg what holds the bearings in
[23:39:55] <CaptHindsight> and they look like glorified skate bearings vs angular contact
[23:40:25] <CaptHindsight> nothing like the pics on their website
[23:45:30] <XXCoder> lol jy
[23:48:32] <zeeshan|2> man
[23:48:41] <zeeshan|2> im so confused as to what the fk is going on here with this cam shit
[23:48:53] <CaptHindsight> maybe we need a new website with reviews of these pieces of krap and call them on their shenanigans
[23:49:09] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: May I suggest tequilia?
[23:49:14] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:49:15] <zeeshan|2> :{
[23:49:25] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Whiskey?
[23:49:34] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:49:52] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Moonshine? Prozac? Norco? Thorozine?
[23:49:59] <zeeshan|2> i dont drink!
[23:50:00] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/vR4mAvC.png
[23:50:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: why all the sophomoric trolling lately?
[23:50:22] <zeeshan|2> in that pic, you can clearly see that the tool path isn't touching the surface..
[23:50:35] <zeeshan|2> oh
[23:50:37] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what wrong?
[23:50:38] <zeeshan|2> i think i know why
[23:50:49] <zeeshan|2> limited in depth by the nose radius
[23:51:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: It was a joke to ease zeeshan|2's frustration
[23:51:35] <zeeshan|2> grrr Jymmm :D
[23:51:43] <zeeshan|2> it did help me see the problem from another angle
[23:52:03] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: passed out on the floor?
[23:52:10] <Jymmm> That IS "another angle" btw
[23:52:56] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:53:29] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: What's the issue? I see the blue looks like Z lowering, then the LtBlue cutting
[23:53:56] <Jymmm> not sure what the yel elbow is
[23:54:09] <XXCoder> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10454404_10152266733078253_8530684011645178629_o.jpg
[23:54:39] <Jymmm> XXCoder: goin for the soccer mom thing huh?
[23:54:55] <Jymmm> moonroof too =)
[23:55:07] <Jymmm> looks clean
[23:55:08] <XXCoder> nah it's only car TARDIS has designs for
[23:55:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rolanddga.com/products/milling/dwx50/ look at this turd for $30K
[23:55:45] <XXCoder> in least it dont have gold bling on wheels etc like my bro's old nissan quest lol
[23:56:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Roland has ALWAYS been overpriced
[23:56:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder: how many miles? how much?
[23:56:32] <XXCoder> billions
[23:56:36] <XXCoder> TARDIS after akllk
[23:56:37] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: usa and dental
[23:56:42] <XXCoder> heh
[23:56:53] <XXCoder> way too many actually at 178k but it was pretty cheap
[23:56:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: its got a tool changer too =)
[23:57:08] <Jymmm> XXCoder: how cheap?
[23:57:13] <XXCoder> 1550
[23:57:13] <Jymmm> and what year?
[23:57:16] <XXCoder> 1996
[23:57:18] <CaptHindsight> and 7ft vs 6ft power cord I imagine
[23:57:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: $1550 USD?
[23:57:28] <XXCoder> you figure which is which ;)
[23:57:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:57:52] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Not bad at all. Hows it run?
[23:57:56] <XXCoder> smooth
[23:58:02] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Very nice!
[23:58:12] <XXCoder> yeah surpising.
[23:58:20] <Jymmm> private party?
[23:58:35] <XXCoder> other options was one car that was olviously on fire
[23:58:40] <XXCoder> *was
[23:58:54] <XXCoder> bad paint but engine completely rebuilt
[23:59:02] <Jymmm> XXCoder: dealer?
[23:59:21] <XXCoder> other didnt look very good. yeah guys car shop/car seller
[23:59:29] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ah ok
[23:59:34] <XXCoder> guy wanted 1700
[23:59:39] <XXCoder> I asked 1400
[23:59:51] <XXCoder> and that price was result of hagging