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[02:04:02] <Deejay> moin
[07:08:49] <jdh> anyone have any good/bad experience with DHL shipping from china?
[07:11:03] <cpresser> jdh: pretty good. expensive, but fast
[07:11:13] <cpresser> jdh: almost 0 problems with customs
[07:11:37] <jdh> $372
[07:11:53] <jdh> I'm more concerned about them smashing things
[07:12:25] <jdh> lack of customs is always a plus
[07:12:38] <jdh> I finally got a tracking number but they don't list ETA
[07:12:41] <Jymmm> jdh: That'll depend more on how it's packaged than the gorillas tossing it around.
[07:14:16] <jdh> wonder if my wife will buy the "but I've always had that" for this one.
[07:14:43] <Jymmm> Toss a handful of sawdust on it =)
[07:15:02] <Jymmm> Make it look like it's just a dust collector
[07:16:34] <Jymmm> Make it look like it's just been collecting dust all this time I mean
[07:17:02] <Jymmm> ..and to ignore the wooden crate/ box o emoty boxes on the floor
[07:18:22] <archivist_herron> get wife a shiny to keep her mind on something else
[07:19:09] <Jymmm> And no, you can NOT make her new shiny on your new shiny =)
[07:22:16] <jdh> can't, I spent all my money on chinese toys.
[07:22:30] <jdh> looks like three lines going to something off the back.
[07:22:32] <jdh> <urk>
[09:51:38] <ssi> morn
[10:24:32] <JT-Shop> my neighbor gave me this
http://www.gnipsel.com/images/misc/XYC%20Table.jpg
[10:24:49] <JT-Shop> I don't think he ever used it... trying to figure out what I might use it for
[10:25:19] <SpeedEvil> Is that an XY twist table?
[10:25:29] <SpeedEvil> Gear cutter?
[10:25:37] <jdh> interesting.
[10:25:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnGPYwNM4rE#t=57 @ 0:57 can anyone make out the control software they are using on Winders?
[10:25:43] <SpeedEvil> Nice neighbour
[10:25:54] <JT-Shop> XYC table yes
[10:26:52] <JT-Shop> no slop in the lead screws or the dovetails
[10:30:59] <PetefromTn_> morning folks.
[10:33:51] <ssi> marn pete
[10:33:58] <ssi> I'm putting together the shapeoko kit
[10:34:03] <ssi> it's actually pretty nice for how cheap it is
[10:34:51] <jdh> If you can tighten a bolt, you can assemble Shapeoko.
[10:35:16] <ssi> I'm not sure what you're trying to say jdh, but cram it :P
[10:35:35] <jdh> it's the first line from their web site.
[10:36:36] <ssi> which part of the internet are you going to quote next?
[10:37:11] <jdh> let me check reddit for something appropriate.
[10:38:13] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: nice
[10:38:39] <PetefromTn_> shapeoko/?///
[10:38:42] <CaptHindsight> I've seen many other that come pre-assembled and tested. maybe their motto should be" If you can open a box and plug in a cord you can mill"
[10:39:13] <PetefromTn_> mill cream cheese?
[10:39:26] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yea I decided to order one to use as a motion base for a pick 'n place prototype
[10:39:36] <ssi> like I said, it's surprisingly nice for the money
[10:39:44] <PetefromTn_> pick and place to me means a nice robotic arm..
[10:39:46] <ssi> laser cut powder coated carriages
[10:40:02] <ssi> extrusion siderails and gantry with extruded in V rail
[10:40:17] <ssi> nah this'll be a gantry pick n place
[10:40:19] <CaptHindsight> Pacific Bearing parts are even nicer but you have to do a little machining yourself
[10:40:28] <ssi> CaptHindsight: pacific bearing?
[10:40:31] <ssi> not familiar
[10:40:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pbclinear.com/
[10:41:07] <ssi> ah
[10:41:16] <ssi> I have some integrated linear slides like that, but not from that company
[10:41:28] <ssi> lemme find a pic
[10:41:30] <CaptHindsight> they machine T-slot to tighter tolerances and offer the cam and polymer bearings
[10:42:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pbclinear.com/SIMO-Series-Components
[10:42:58] <CaptHindsight> not as true and straight as good profile bearings but better than just using t-slot as a bearing rail
[10:43:31] <ssi> CaptHindsight: well this kit uses the makerslide stuff, so it's still better than just using t-slot
[10:43:43] <ssi> it's got four delrin v-rollers on bearings on extruded in V rails
[10:43:52] <ssi> for the money, it's a pretty good motion system
[10:43:55] <CaptHindsight> thats where makerslide got their idea
[10:43:58] <ssi> ya
[10:44:03] <ssi> what's the pbc stuff cost?
[10:44:06] <PetefromTn_> what are you going to pick and place exactly?
[10:44:08] <ssi> igus makes something similar too
[10:44:13] <CaptHindsight> but he acts like he invented extrusions
[10:44:15] <ssi> PetefromTn_: smd parts on pcbs
[10:44:33] <ssi> CaptHindsight: heh I don't even want to get into the community attitudes :P
[10:45:23] <SpeedEvil> The only thing more toxic than community 'I invented that' is bastards that actually patent it
[10:45:46] <ssi> heheh
[10:46:28] <ssi> CaptHindsight: here's a little machine I threw together based around those integrated slides I have
[10:46:32] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Brd_OBdCUAASnQr.jpg:large
[10:46:43] <CaptHindsight> I found several belt driven positioners on ebay that I use for pick-n-place, I think they are all THK and Parker
[10:46:48] <ssi> I found them in a surplus place in sunnyvale
[10:47:19] <jdh> RC motor?
[10:47:30] <ssi> ya
[10:48:17] <jdh> lots of torque?
[10:48:23] <ssi> no, not really
[10:48:25] <ssi> I use it as an engraver
[10:48:29] <ssi> fast, not much torque
[10:48:31] <ssi> it's a 180W motor
[10:48:48] <ssi> and it's even geared down :P
[10:51:56] <zeeshan|2> estate sale machinist july 5!
[10:52:01] <zeeshan|2> 5 mins down the road from me
[10:52:03] <zeeshan|2> ;/
[10:52:07] <ssi> zeeshan|2: hope you have money!
[10:52:09] * zeeshan|2 cant wait
[10:52:18] <zeeshan|2> money is always there
[10:52:19] <zeeshan|2> deals arent
[10:52:20] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[10:52:25] * zeeshan|2 is cheap
[10:52:36] <ssi> that's what I mean... now's the time to spend it :)
[10:52:46] <zeeshan|2> i need end millsssss
[10:53:48] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, NASA web presentation from Stratasys /WorxSimple
http://www.techbriefs.com/webinar219
[10:53:58] <CaptHindsight> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z8rjuu&s=8 lots of belt drives on ebay like this
[10:57:03] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: ex Stratasys group working on old tech as though it's new
[10:59:58] <jdh> I assumed we were all independently wealthy.
[11:00:05] <jdh> well, everyone other than me anyway.
[11:00:28] <zeeshan|2> shuddap mr i have 2 lathes
[11:00:30] <zeeshan|2> and a mill
[11:00:50] <jdh> 3 lathes
[11:01:04] <jdh> and I would trade them all for one real one. And throw in some cash.
[11:01:15] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: let me know if they have any of those wall mount lathes :)
[11:01:27] <zeeshan|2> haha wall mount lathes
[11:01:31] <zeeshan|2> that was so funny
[11:03:06] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/qc7g9by
[11:03:10] <jdh> I could wall mount that one.
[11:03:17] <zeeshan|2> hahah
[11:06:32] <ssi> hm the one thing I'm not crazy about on this thing is the allthread Z leadscrew
[11:06:35] <ssi> at least gimme acme :/
[11:46:56] <JesusAlos> hi all
[11:51:08] <JesusAlos> ssi:
[11:51:41] <JesusAlos> about my hipotetic Backlash case, I try several test
[11:52:17] <JesusAlos> and conclude that when appear this error, the motor don't do any move
[11:52:58] <JesusAlos> so, in my case don't have backlash problem. Is ohter problem, but don't know why
[11:53:38] <JesusAlos> remember, when I do a circle, the vertical faces are lines
[11:56:40] <zeeshan|2> backlash is easy to detect
[11:56:42] <zeeshan|2> with dial indicators
[11:56:49] <zeeshan|2> and a little bit of force :P
[11:59:13] <ssi> yes, it's easy to detect
[11:59:28] <ssi> unless, for some reason, you're invested in convincing yourself it's not backlash
[11:59:40] <zeeshan|2> just pull on the axis
[11:59:43] <zeeshan|2> in one direction
[11:59:44] <ssi> then it's easy to not measure it and try to convince yourself and others that it's something else
[12:00:03] <zeeshan|2> 0 indicator. pull in same direction, make sure the axis flexes and when you remove force, it goes back to 0
[12:00:10] <zeeshan|2> with one good push in the opposite direction
[12:00:16] <zeeshan|2> read the indicator after it settles
[12:00:20] <zeeshan|2> = backlash #
[12:00:40] <ssi> zeeshan|2: that won't measure backlash in any couplers and/or gear reductions
[12:00:48] <zeeshan|2> yes
[12:00:55] <zeeshan|2> but im assuming its in the ballnut
[12:00:55] <zeeshan|2> :P
[12:01:09] <zeeshan|2> <= uses solid couplers
[12:01:11] <zeeshan|2> and direct drive
[12:01:12] <zeeshan|2> :D
[12:01:14] <ssi> best way to do it is to put dti on the axis and jog incrementally one direction til it moves, then zero the indicator, then step the other way until it moves, and count the increments that don't move the dial
[12:01:25] <zeeshan|2> yea, thats another way to do it
[12:01:29] <zeeshan|2> but that involves electronics :P
[12:01:44] <ssi> yeah but if he's failing to cut round circles, the electronics are already sorted out
[12:01:59] <ssi> but it doesn't matter, because it's not backlash
[12:04:17] <JesusAlos> I attempt to explain, the motor is 0 rpm when appera this effect
[12:04:47] <ssi> yes, that's the point
[12:04:55] <ssi> when the motor is reversing direction, that's when backlash shows up
[12:05:02] <ssi> measure it the way I told you
[12:05:33] <JesusAlos> I see the rpm in the inverter display
[12:05:42] <JesusAlos> by electronic way
[12:09:13] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:10:03] <IchGuckLive> ssi: ?
[12:11:33] <ssi> hi
[12:12:25] <IchGuckLive> hi i want to give you wane more hint as you may already got notice just to remind you as i see some log differences
[12:12:38] <ssi> ok
[12:12:43] <JesusAlos> hi
[12:12:52] <IchGuckLive> the THC Voltiga settingscontroles thew height not your gcode
[12:13:32] <IchGuckLive> when you work on 80V it is a different height cut as on 85V
[12:13:40] <ssi> yes
[12:13:49] <IchGuckLive> if you use different nozzels it is different volts
[12:13:58] <ssi> yea I know
[12:14:11] <ssi> I'm using the duramax cut height charts in the p65m manual now
[12:14:30] <IchGuckLive> ok i see 2days ago logs in linuxcnc tht let me speculate not so
[12:15:19] <ssi> what did I say?
[12:15:24] <IchGuckLive> even different sheet charches may differ at best cut volts
[12:52:37] <JesusAlos> I need create speed bar in axis of the X and Y axis
[12:52:55] <JesusAlos> what pin I must use?
[12:53:55] <IchGuckLive> in or output
[12:54:13] <IchGuckLive> to see what speed is on
[12:54:23] <IchGuckLive> or to give it a jogspeed
[12:54:43] <JesusAlos> to see the actual speed
[12:54:52] <JesusAlos> what speed is on
[12:55:29] <IchGuckLive> for display you can use the motion piins
[12:55:44] <JesusAlos> ok
[12:56:08] <JesusAlos> thank
[12:58:44] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: motion.requested-vel
[12:58:54] <IchGuckLive> motion.current-vel
[13:00:51] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: in your mashine setup you got also signals that hold the Vel and the ACC
[13:38:57] <CaptHindsight> does anyone make a 3 axis gantry the size and travel of a 6040 router, that I can order today, have on my desk by the end of the week and doesn't require rebuilding to get it square and backlash free?
[13:40:05] * Jymmm looks at the for sale sign on the gantry router behind him
[13:40:45] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: you are usking for a Heven made mashine
[13:40:58] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: how is the radar
[13:41:57] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: we had the tornado sirens on early Monday, relatively quiet today
[13:42:17] <IchGuckLive> Nice im off BYE
[13:43:37] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: do I have to anodize it again to make it look new?
[13:44:22] <Jymmm> Nope
[13:44:59] <_methods> http://www.haascnc.com/mt_spec1.asp?id=GR-510&webID=GANTRY_VMC#gsc.tab=0
[13:45:10] <Jymmm> are you re-selling?
[13:45:10] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what's the working travel?
[13:45:18] <Jymmm> 24x24x5
[13:46:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: yes, it will get stuff mounted to it as well
[13:47:05] <Jymmm> stuff? 22" rims? Gold plated bolts? diamond studded rails?
[13:47:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121275087848
[13:47:41] <CaptHindsight> they say it's best
[13:49:43] <Jymmm> Mine has the 2.25H router motor and mount
[13:49:59] <Jymmm> Cratfsman /rebranded Bosch
[13:50:36] <CaptHindsight> sneaky ads on ebay, they flood the listings with the same junk at opposite ends of the price spectrum so you have to filter still search though them all
[13:51:06] <marmite_> why cant ebay sellers just mention the size of the piston screw for a toolpost holder for lathes :D
[13:51:10] <marmite_> so anying
[13:51:27] <marmite_> i woud have had a toolpost weeks ago, if i dident need to email every buyer
[13:54:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight:
http://i51.tinypic.com/28lrg9u.jpg
[13:55:49] <marmite_> what is the pvc tubing for ?
[13:57:05] <Jymmm> It holds the router motor power cord. So you can still use the motor manually in the plunge and fixed bases...
http://i47.tinypic.com/30boarm.jpg
[13:58:11] <Jymmm> I just ran 110VAC up to the Z. So you can just plug in whatever. router, laser, glue gun, etc =)
[13:59:01] <marmite_> oh i see
[13:59:47] <Jymmm> It's just zipped tied there, easily removed.
[14:02:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl-6090-desktop-cnc-router FDA approved, you really can cut cheese legally with this
[14:05:01] <Jymmm> http://oi52.tinypic.com/nrndu.jpg
[14:06:01] <Jymmm> It took me forever to build that enclosure =)
[14:10:12] <alexchally> Hey folks. I have a Southwest Industries knee mill with an old 2 axis Prototrak control on it, and am thinking of switching it over to EMC. Has anyone around here done that particular conversion? I am trying to avoid some yak shaving and I am hoping someone else might have done it once already..
[14:12:07] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: it should be easy since it'a already cnc with ballscrews
[14:12:39] <alexchally> CaptHindsight, yeah, and the drivers and encoders are already broken out with nice milspec connectors
[14:13:07] <alexchally> I was hoping someone would have done it and already have a config in EMC that I could load up/take a look at
[14:13:17] <CaptHindsight> you'll probably spends more time ordering parts and tuning than converting
[14:13:52] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: steppers and a glass scale for only Z?
[14:14:06] <alexchally> I have done an open loop EMC setup on a knee mill in the past(geko servo drivers), but I have not had to interface with a linear encoder yet, thats the big unknown
[14:14:10] <CaptHindsight> or do all three axis have encoders/scales
[14:14:30] <CaptHindsight> I almost always use servos
[14:14:36] <CaptHindsight> it's no big deal
[14:14:51] <alexchally> CaptHindsight, glass scales on all three axis, servos w/ 10V analog input on X and Y, no motor on Z(yet)
[14:14:51] <Jymmm> other than checkbook =)
[14:14:54] <CaptHindsight> find out the output spec for the encoders
[14:15:21] <alexchally> although if I can X and Y working in a timely manner I will throw a 1HP servo I have laying around on Z and do that too.
[14:16:30] <alexchally> hmmm, just realized that the X and Y axis are actually rotary encoders
[14:16:37] <alexchally> had never looked very carefully
[14:18:29] <CaptHindsight> alexchally:
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/3916-closed-loop-with-steppers
[14:19:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbNSKct0SJI Stepper closed loop with Emc2
[14:21:25] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: figure out what the encoders are and what they output
[14:21:42] <alexchally> CaptHindsight, I shall twerk on that.
[14:25:24] <Jymmm> Gawd, can't there be ONE drawing add that works bug free?! *sigh*
[14:25:30] <Jymmm> app*
[14:31:10] <_methods> drawing app?
[14:31:30] <Jymmm> vector drawing/cad, etc
[14:31:30] <_methods> what are you using?
[14:31:53] <_methods> you tried draftsight for just 2d cad?
[14:31:54] <Jymmm> CorelDraw, but even SolidWorks has bugs too, *ALL* gfx apps do
[14:32:24] <_methods> they all have their moments
[14:32:40] <Jymmm> Yes, and that's why you CTRL+S every 5m =)
[14:32:50] <Jymmm> never trust "auto save"
[14:32:52] <_methods> yeah i save quite frequently
[14:33:00] <_methods> been burned by that too many times
[14:33:09] <_methods> honestly the cam packages seem to be the worst
[14:33:22] <_methods> after every toolpath i save mastercam
[14:33:53] <_methods> i used to use solidcam and that was even worse
[14:34:00] <Jymmm> For the last 40m I've been trying to get the nodes of that line to align with the other two, eeeesh....
http://i61.tinypic.com/k2xu0h.jpg
[14:34:27] <Jymmm> I need a closed path without it looping
[14:34:39] <Jymmm> It SHOULD be simple things, but Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[14:34:44] <Jymmm> thing*
[14:35:08] <_methods> i try not to use those "art" programs
[14:35:08] <Jymmm> It even tells you when the nodes touch, but does it close? HELL NO!
[14:35:40] <Jymmm> Well, corel is kinda standard for laser/embroidery industry
[14:36:01] <Jymmm> I just really need a mesh between corel + cad is what it is
[14:36:24] <Jymmm> Instead, I use like 5 different apps.
[14:36:42] <_methods> yeah i try to keep that to a min
[14:36:45] <_methods> do it all in solidworks
[14:37:01] <_methods> every once in awhile i have to use inkscape for something
[14:37:23] <Jymmm> Each has their strngths/weaknesses, I just try to exploit the best of each.
[14:37:35] <_methods> yeah none of them are perfect for sure
[14:37:41] <alexchally> CaptHindsight, the encoders are HEDS-9000
http://i.imgur.com/bCnZKD7.jpg
[14:37:55] <_methods> just try and get a clean dxf out of one of those god damn pcb programs
[14:38:00] <_methods> that shit drives me nuts
[14:38:09] <_methods> i just want a gawt dayum dxf
[14:38:38] <_methods> i eventually just gave up and use eagle pcb to gcode
[14:38:49] <Jymmm> _methods: The issue wth inkscape is it's designed for relative not absolute units, and it's a known bug for years, but it's due to the SVG specs.
[14:38:53] <Jymmm> with*
[14:38:58] <_methods> sometimes i'll draw my whole pcb in solidworks
[14:39:00] <_methods> manually
[14:48:06] <Jymmm> _methods: eeesh
[14:49:12] <jdh> for milling the pcb?
[14:51:21] <_methods> yeah
[14:51:41] <_methods> just simple ones
[14:51:46] <jdh> what kind of machine are you milling with?
[14:51:53] <_methods> little zen toolworks
[14:52:16] <jdh> has sufficient Z accuracy?
[14:53:31] <alexchally> what is the FPGA of choice these days?
[14:54:56] <archivist> one glued to a mesa card
[14:58:29] <_methods> yeah the z is good to go
[14:59:01] <_methods> i made a little subplate that i leveled real good
[15:07:57] <jdh> hopefully my new one will be good enough.
[15:09:25] <_methods> i'm sure it will be better than my zen lol
[15:09:31] <_methods> it's a pile of poo
[15:09:37] <_methods> but it's good enough for pcbs
[15:09:43] <_methods> fun to play with though
[15:10:44] <jdh> better size. I could keep one of those upstairs
[15:11:58] <_methods> you'll need some sort of subplate i would think from the way those seem to be designed
[15:12:23] <_methods> i've never seen one in person so i can't tell but it looks like it has a bunch of alum extrusions bolted to the "table"
[15:12:49] <_methods> something you can get flat
[15:13:25] <jdh> yeah. I was planning on milling something flat, with a corner alignment
[15:13:28] <_methods> or just put your stuff in a little vise
[15:13:40] <_methods> and true that up
[15:13:43] <zeeshan|2> anyone have USA proxy?
[15:13:45] <zeeshan|2> i need to watch soccer
[15:13:46] <zeeshan|2> =/
[15:13:47] <jdh> MDF
[15:14:14] <zeeshan|2> cbcsports.ca is delayed
[15:14:15] <zeeshan|2> like crazy
[15:14:34] <_methods> you don't have a vpn?
[15:14:34] * Jymmm lol @ zeeshan|2... Why yes, yes I do (sorta).
[15:14:49] <jdh> isn't there a hockey game on somewhere?
[15:14:53] <_methods> hwo does one live without vpn?
[15:15:03] <zeeshan|2> _methods no
[15:15:06] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: to watch soccer
[15:15:06] <Jymmm> _methods: sshd
[15:15:12] <zeeshan|2> im gonna check out cbcsports first
[15:15:14] <_methods> private internet access man
[15:15:15] <zeeshan|2> and see how delayed this stream is
[15:15:35] <_methods> or nordvpn is supposed to be pretty good too
[15:15:48] <zeeshan|2> guys
[15:15:50] <zeeshan|2> EPIC GAME
[15:15:53] <zeeshan|2> ABOUT TO START.
[15:15:55] <zeeshan|2> USA VS BELGIUM
[15:16:01] <_methods> what is soccer?
[15:16:10] <_methods> sounds kinda ghey
[15:16:10] <zeeshan|2> no time for silly q
[15:16:12] <Jymmm> _methods: FooZball
[15:16:24] <_methods> momma don't let me play no foolsball
[15:16:31] <Jymmm> _methods: FutBall
[15:16:55] <_methods> that's the sport where all those little pussy guys fall over all the time?
[15:16:56] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Yeah, cause US is known for soccer... NOT
[15:17:10] <_methods> when no one touches them
[15:17:12] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: SOUTH America!
[15:17:14] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: you dont watch soccer much do you
[15:17:20] <zeeshan|2> cause usa is killing it
[15:17:37] <zeeshan|2> usa is #13 in the world right now
[15:17:54] <zeeshan|2> #10 is england
[15:17:57] <zeeshan|2> to give a comparison
[15:18:15] <_methods> and still no one cares
[15:18:30] <Jymmm> It's soccer, so.... no.
[15:18:32] <_methods> i'm pretty sure if we won everyone would be like wow, meh
[15:18:41] <Jymmm> eh
[15:20:50] <Jymmm> I dont have anything agaist soccer, it's fan base is S.America is all.
[15:21:04] <Jymmm> They REALLY are into it.
[15:21:23] <_methods> i don't have anything against leaf growth studies
[15:21:28] <Jymmm> Like the USA is REALLY into NFL
[15:21:53] <_methods> and those cars they drive in circles
[15:22:16] <_methods> they love that shit down here
[15:22:25] <_methods> noosecar
[15:29:03] <Deejay> gn8
[16:01:34] <Tom_itx> _methods they had to have the best equipment available to deliver the moonshine
[16:06:37] <_methods> hehe
[16:06:53] <_methods> a practical sport
[16:19:21] <Jymmm> copper kettles
[16:45:00] <Swapper_> Hi!, is there anyone that have a example config of a XHC-HB04 pendant woking good with gmoccapy and its sliders im very interested in looking at it.
[16:47:04] <JesusAlos> gn8
[17:40:43] <JT-Shop> oh nice we are under a flash flood warning
[17:46:40] <Tom_itx> stuff like that happens quick in the hills
[17:51:25] <Tom_itx> haha i figured out why my webpage doesn't work. This morning Microsoft served a federal court order and seized 22 domains because they claimed that some of the subdomains have been abused by creators of malware.
[17:51:57] <_methods> yep
[17:52:10] <_methods> quite the nuke they dropped
[17:52:23] <zeeshan|2> usa got raped
[17:52:24] <zeeshan|2> =/
[17:52:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/index.php
[17:52:47] <Tom_itx> so that doesn't work anymore
[17:52:55] <Tom_itx> no wonder i couldn't figure out why
[17:53:04] <_methods> yeah they fucked no-ip.com
[17:53:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/index.php
[17:53:17] <Tom_itx> that seems to work
[17:54:57] <Tom_itx> they never contacted no-ip, just blocked them
[17:56:36] <_methods> yeah
[17:56:47] <_methods> needless to say no-ip is very upset
[17:57:02] <Tom_itx> MS was supposed to filter out the bad ones but they were unable to handle the traffic
[17:57:04] <_methods> microsoft did it unilaterally almost from what i read
[17:57:18] <_methods> quite the hamfist
[17:57:28] <_methods> hey we can't figure this out so lights out
[17:59:38] <Tom_itx> maybe they should counter sue MS
[18:00:15] <_methods> hahah
[18:00:23] <_methods> i don't think they can the way it was done
[18:00:37] <_methods> didn't the doj give them the green light?
[18:01:42] <_methods> they had a federal court order
[18:01:52] <_methods> so pretty much case closed
[18:25:06] <andypugh> does a federal court order have jurisdiction outside the US?
[18:27:35] <Jymmm> andypugh: No
[18:27:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: Did you get one?
[18:28:10] <andypugh> No, I have only had district court orders against me
[18:28:17] <_methods> yeah i'm sure this will cause some lawsuits
[18:28:25] <Jymmm> But you are int he UK
[18:28:49] <Jymmm> andypugh: You might not want to visit the US if you get one thogh =)
[18:28:52] <andypugh> yeah, so I ignored it.
[18:29:21] <andypugh> It was a long time ago, I have applied for (and got) a visa since.
[18:29:39] <_methods> i;m pretty sure this was just microsoft not knowing what to do with the scale of it
[18:29:42] <Jymmm> andypugh: Once you're here, your ass is the US Marshall's at that point =)
[18:30:58] <_methods> that's funny i can't even get no-ip.com to work
[18:31:31] <_methods> there it goes, finally loaded up
[18:32:13] <_methods> hahah so much for their 100% uptime guarantee
[18:32:57] <Jymmm> SUCKER
[18:33:53] <_methods> jesus their website is way fancier than it used to be
[18:37:40] <_methods> oh nm i got them confused with
http://freedns.afraid.org/
[18:37:50] <_methods> their site still sux as usual
[18:54:40] <K6MLE> I'm trying to rebuild an old Maxnc10 mill with new electronics and steppers. My X & Y motors seem to be missing steps pretty badly, although they seem to function well with StepConfig. Any ideas?
[18:57:44] <andypugh> I don’t understand how they can simultaneously work and not work?
[18:57:53] <CaptHindsight> alexchally:
http://www.avagotech.com/pages/en/motion_control_encoder_products/incremental_encoders/transmissive_encoders/heds-9000a00/
[18:58:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.avagotech.com/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=content-type&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadername3=MDT-Type&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fpdf&blobheadervalue2=attachment%3B+filename%3D%22AV02-1867EN_DS_HEDS-9x00_2014-03-17.pdf%22&blobheadervalue3=abinary%253B%2Bcharset%253DUTF-8&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1211087003112&ssbinary=true
[18:59:19] <alexchally> CaptHindsight, i saw that
[18:59:50] <CaptHindsight> 500 CPR
[18:59:51] <alexchally> I am looking at getting a MESA 5I23, a 7i33TA and a 7i37TA
[19:00:00] <K6MLE> Hi Andy ... When I use the 'RUN' function within StepConfig I can get them to go back and forth and perhaps miss a direction change once in a while. I just tried to run an engraving program (g-code) and it was crap!
[19:00:40] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: do no problem
[19:00:55] <CaptHindsight> do/so
[19:00:58] <alexchally> yeah
[19:01:09] <alexchally> does that sound like a reasonable set of hardware?
[19:01:58] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: how many of those encoders, how many glass scales, how many steppers and how many servos?
[19:02:13] <K6MLE> I expect to have a G540 arriving tomorrow, but I'm wondering if the problem isn't the driver, but the configuration?
[19:02:46] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: you can mix and match, it just makes the configs a bit more complicated
[19:02:53] <CaptHindsight> but not by much
[19:03:07] <alexchally> CaptHindsight, 2 of those encoders, and 2 servos for now, I would like to use the glass scale and a third servo later to drive the Z axis
[19:03:26] <alexchally> but that would require fitting a ball screw to the Z axis and all that jazz
[19:03:32] <alexchally> so thats on the back burner for now
[19:03:51] <andypugh> K6MLE: Sounds like the setup times might not be long enogh.
[19:04:08] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: sounds good
[19:05:17] <andypugh> K6MLE: I think Stepconf might even have presets for the G540
[19:05:19] <K6MLE> Andy -- I've got Step time at 10000ns, Direction Hold at 11000ns and Direction Setup at 3000ns.
[19:06:02] <andypugh> You only ever change direction at low speed. You can probably afford 100x longer for those.
[19:06:34] <K6MLE> I'm hoping to try the G540 presets ... this current setup is a SOC Robotics MM160/MK4c.
[19:06:35] <andypugh> 10uS is probably OK for step length.
[19:06:40] <alexchally> CaptHindsight, and just to make sure, i can't try reading those encoders in via paraport instead, right? that won't be fast enough?
[19:07:07] <andypugh> alexchally: Do the maths, to be sure
[19:07:30] <K6MLE> How critical is Step Space?
[19:07:46] <K6MLE> Current Step Space is 5000ns.
[19:07:55] <andypugh> Pretty important, but it normally ends up being the rest of the base period.
[19:08:26] <andypugh> What is the base period?
[19:08:45] <K6MLE> The Base Period is at 5000ns right now.
[19:08:56] <K6MLE> I think that's a default.
[19:09:56] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: you can just at lower speeds, we used to do that back in the early 90's on slow machines
[19:11:00] <CaptHindsight> alexchally: IIRC we used PC-XT mainboards with LPT ports for testing, they only ran at 16MHz core speed
[19:18:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 16MHz aint XT =)
[19:19:14] <Jymmm> unless yu mean the "TURBO" button
[19:20:19] <Jymmm> Which was funny, as certain games would not play on turbo , but would at 4.77MHz =)
[19:21:19] <andypugh> K6MLE: 5000ns base period is _very_ short
[19:21:48] <andypugh> I don’t know of many machines that can do 5000nS
[19:22:10] <andypugh> 30,000nS is more normal.
[19:23:27] <K6MLE> I'd set it based upon the Max Jitter from the Latency Test ... should I adjust it higher?
[19:24:27] <andypugh> What was your max jitter?
[19:24:57] <K6MLE> I just ran it again and it's up to 6025.
[19:25:41] <andypugh> Unless you are running a huge number of microsteps you are quite likely to run out of motor speed before you run out of step rate.
[19:26:45] <K6MLE> The driver is currently set for half-stepping.
[19:26:57] <andypugh> I would guess that with the timings you have and thr base thread rate that Stepconf hasn’t created a “reset” configuration?
[19:28:10] <K6MLE> Not sure about a 'reset' config ...
[19:28:12] <andypugh> (It’s getting rather too late to get into explaining this stuff here, sorry)
[19:28:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: these were from 90-93 by NEC faster core speeds, did the 4, 8 and 16mhz
[19:28:21] <Jymmm> ah
[19:29:09] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20
[19:29:38] <andypugh> K6MLE: With step timings that are short compared to base thread rate the parport driver can set the step pins, then wait a bit, then reset them. With step timings that are long relative to base thread it will set a pin, wait two threads, reset the pin..
[19:30:38] <andypugh> This is one of the ways that Stepconf can hide things from you that it would be useful to know.
[19:30:39] <CaptHindsight> my first mainboards made in China
[19:30:51] <K6MLE> Andy: Okay ... I should mention how much of a 'newbie' I am to this stuff !! :)
[19:32:56] <andypugh> OK, as a first step just make all the numbers bigger and see what happens :-)
[19:33:37] <andypugh> Maybe 15k for base thread, step length and step space and 50k for setup and dir.
[19:34:15] <andypugh> Then if that works properly, try adjusting them down if you need more performance (until you get less performance again)
[19:37:26] <K6MLE> Andy: Okay ... I made the suggested change ... still missing steps on X & Y, but not as bad as before.
[19:38:12] <andypugh> To be honest, if you have a G540 on order, you might as well wait for that.
[19:38:37] <XXCoder> my car go boom lol
[19:38:48] <XXCoder> actually didn't but damn close
[19:38:57] <K6MLE> I'm thinking that's probably my best bet and it's about time for me to head home, anyway! Thanks for the help!
[19:38:58] <Jymmm> XXCoder: since yesterday?
[19:38:58] <XXCoder> close enough that i wont risk driving it again.
[19:39:10] <XXCoder> nah it got worse. another cynder failed
[19:39:27] <XXCoder> so with 4 left it lost so much power I could just barely go 30 mph up hill in freeway lol
[19:39:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder: strip it, scrap it for $500... PROFIT!
[19:39:50] <Jymmm> you'll make more money parting it out though.
[19:39:55] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: thats why there are usually more than one for spares
[19:39:58] <XXCoder> yeah rental house. not happening
[19:40:08] <XXCoder> lol capt
[19:47:46] <PetefromTn_> ssi Ya there man?
[20:07:13] <jdh> DHL says they are delivering my 6040 tomorrow. Just left Hong Kong 'today'
[20:12:12] <CaptHindsight> sounds right
[20:12:40] <CaptHindsight> todays date here is yesterday in Hong Kong
[20:15:14] <jdh> still pretty speedy.
[20:51:05] <CaptHindsight> jdh: it's probably in Cincinnati for the evening
[20:51:55] <jdh> that's the last tracking info. I got a text from them saying it would be delivered tomorrow though.
[20:52:15] <jdh> that's a long flight for the crew
[20:56:00] <CaptHindsight> heh, 2 crews from HKG to CVG
[20:57:39] <CaptHindsight> jdh: please take some pics when you get a chance after unpacking
[20:58:03] <CaptHindsight> I'm wondering how they fixed the ballscrews and bearings
[20:58:19] <jdh> yeah, I was planning on it.
[20:58:43] <jdh> looks like we might have a tropical storm/hurricane thursday so I'll have some spare time.
[21:32:22] <PetefromTn_> are ya still down in Florida?
[21:32:48] <jdh> nope, wilmington.nc.us
[21:35:07] <ssi> PetefromTn_: am now
[21:35:54] <XXCoder> man can't wait to get my cnc parts
[21:36:52] <jdh> me too
[21:44:33] <Jymmm> Taco Bell Taco Salad is actually pretty good
[21:46:33] <PetefromTn_> That storm looks pretty big actually. Not too bad but not small either apparently.
[21:50:06] <Jymmm> Then goldilocks tried the other porridge and it was just right!
[22:06:17] <XXCoder> lol
[22:18:58] <Jymmm> Sorry, couldn't resist
[22:33:31] <XXCoder> Jymmm:
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8240355584/h0AA5886E/
[22:35:04] <Jymmm> Eh, I suppose that is nascar, it dod start in the south
[22:35:10] <Jymmm> did*
[22:35:43] <XXCoder> probably
[22:35:57] <XXCoder> but nascar polishing knobs while shifting stick? :P
[22:36:20] <Jymmm> No, it actually did. Nascar was originally hor rod cars for the moonshiners to out run the cops
[22:36:41] <Jymmm> hot rod*
[22:36:49] <XXCoder> I know
[22:39:20] <XXCoder> they started racing to get over dull days between runs
[22:39:39] <XXCoder> it also helped make them design better cars
[22:39:56] <XXCoder> if you find right mods your car might be orginial moonshiner car lol
[22:58:10] <zeeshan|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGtJzkxb8c0
[22:58:13] <zeeshan|2> is this a 55 deg insert?
[22:59:07] <XXCoder> know nothing about lathhe sorry
[22:59:14] <XXCoder> would love to have one though lol
[22:59:26] <XXCoder> expecially cnc one. just to have fun making stuff
[23:00:26] <XXCoder> I would think using thinner rod would be cheaper than making lots swarf
[23:01:27] <XXCoder> guys camera is fucked up
[23:01:42] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:01:42] <XXCoder> or it took lsd or something lol
[23:01:43] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:04:46] <XXCoder> finally fucking clear closeup
[23:06:40] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWiv1ZBCp0
[23:11:22] <_methods> looks like a dnmg to me
[23:13:23] <_methods> not sure why he's not using a cnmg for all that but hey sometimes you just gotta use what ya got
[23:13:41] <XXCoder> end result looked ok
[23:13:47] <_methods> that vid XXCoder put up looks like a vnmg
[23:14:00] <_methods> but hard to tell when they are that small
[23:14:07] <XXCoder> one I linked to or his warpy video link lol
[23:14:15] <_methods> the one you linked to
[23:14:23] <_methods> looked like one was vnmg
[23:14:34] <_methods> and one was dnmg
[23:15:02] <_methods> the one zeeshan|2 posted what i watched looked like dnmg
[23:16:53] <zeeshan|2> thank u
[23:16:55] <zeeshan|2> thatsd it
[23:20:00] <zeeshan|2> <- loves using sfm mode
[23:20:01] <zeeshan|2> !
[23:20:36] <_methods> yeah it's nice but you gotta watch out it'll get you some times
[23:21:22] <_methods> oh sorry i'm talkin css
[23:21:49] <_methods> late
[23:21:52] <_methods> i'm out
