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[01:58:31] <Deejay> moinsen
[02:05:08] <Jymmm> DN9
[02:05:15] <Deejay> hi Jymmm
[02:19:14] <MrHindsight> tornado sirens going off again, this happens every few days now
[06:12:44] <balestrino> are there any mesa ethernet board that is running on linuxcnc?
[06:24:54] <archivist> balestrino, tests are being done
[06:26:39] <balestrino> i see that probably will be merged in 2.7
[06:46:37] <Loetmichel> ha, delivery received... i think thats enough e-cigs and juice for now ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14990
[06:48:49] <ReadError> vamo nice
[07:03:26] <Tecan> you might be addicted to the juice
[07:04:36] <Tecan> i quit smoking for a month now it was pretty tough and the cravings keep comming back when i celibrate no smoking with cigar
[07:13:28] <sirdancealot> Tecan, come on man, its 2014, ever heard of e-cigs?
[07:14:05] <Valen> totally possible to be addicted to juice
[07:14:11] <Valen> probably better than tobacco
[07:14:14] <Valen> not *good*
[07:14:18] <Valen> but still better
[07:14:22] <Valen> a stepping stone perhaps?
[07:16:53] <sirdancealot> its easier to kill off since its only nic, but i guess you would have to be really strong willed to do it...at least until it turns out its dealier than tobacco
[07:18:13] <Tecan> its vegetable oil
[07:18:21] <Tecan> lets smoke some glycern
[07:18:33] <Tecan> i prefer my weeds
[07:18:45] <Tecan> those pens work great for honey oil
[07:20:46] <sirdancealot> ah...
[07:22:04] <sirdancealot> english lacks a distinct word for smoking weed
[07:22:19] <sirdancealot> but i should have guessed from the cigar
[07:26:57] <Tecan> blazing ?
[07:29:45] <Valen> i think its a little generic
[07:29:58] <Valen> can mean other drugs and its NZ slang mostly I think
[08:04:26] <ssi> marn
[08:04:34] <XXCoder> morning
[08:05:24] <ssi> Tecan: lul I bought honey oil for my mom when I drove out to california
[08:06:53] <Tecan> BHO ?
[08:07:08] <Tecan> i like using moonshine
[08:07:09] <ssi> yeah
[08:07:26] <ssi> I mean I guess BHO, it's the commercial stuff god knows how they extract it
[08:30:20] <Jymmmm> http://tinyurl.com/honeyoilmadeeasy
[08:39:58] <Tecan> thats the hard way
[08:40:05] <Tecan> your suposed to use the silicone mats
[08:40:27] <Tecan> and a vaccuume chamber
[08:40:49] <Tecan> vacuum rather
[08:41:16] <Jymmmm> no clue. If I wanted some, I'd just hit the store
[08:42:05] <ssi> yeah some of the places out there deliver :P
[08:42:08] <ssi> crazyness
[08:42:19] <Jymmmm> Tecan: Just couldn't find out why one would send their mom to Calif with honey oil is all. It's like delivering rice to china
[08:43:07] <Tecan> thats where you are ?
[08:43:12] <ssi> I think you misread my statement :P
[08:43:19] <Tecan> must be humid and hot today
[08:43:53] <Jymmmm> ssi: Maybe, but mine was funnier
[08:44:06] <ssi> I have a distaste for imprecision in language :)
[08:44:24] <Jymmmm> ssi: goony goo goo
[08:44:33] <Jymmmm> Tecan: thus why I'm doing laundry NOW
[08:49:21] <Jymmmm> ssi: But language itself IS imprecise
[08:49:34] <Jymmmm> and words always get in the way
[08:50:01] <ssi> all the more reason to be selective in its use :)
[08:51:31] <Jymmmm> They say that English (written/spoken) only accounts for 17% of comunications between humans, the majoroity being body language.
[08:51:48] <_methods> yeah i flip people off all the time
[08:52:03] <Jymmmm> See, there ya go.
[08:52:05] <_methods> i'd say it accounts for 90% of all my communication
[09:39:48] <Jymmm> I need a touch table. Like a table with a built in touch pad/screen. But it has to feel like paper when writing on it. Do OCR, self cleaning, and I should be able to drop a 357 Cleveland engine block on it without a scratch!
[09:40:17] <Jymmm> oh, and do as I want, not what I tell it to =)
[09:43:13] <cpresser> Jymmm: Diamondillium should do the job
[09:44:22] <Jymmm> lol
[09:50:37] <_methods> i'm pretty sure a sheet of plywood will do all that
[09:54:38] <zeeshan|2> has anyone here personally messed around with rotating the spindle in a way that you can index it at a given position every time?
[09:54:52] <ssi> zeeshan|2: need a servo spindle to do that well
[09:54:53] <zeeshan|2> i've seen some videos of "evidence" of it, but not sure on how people are going on about it
[09:55:03] <zeeshan|2> ssi: people are doing this with vector VFD
[09:55:14] <zeeshan|2> which are essentially servos :P
[09:55:29] <ssi> I have vector vfd spindle on my hardinge... it might be doable, I haven't tried it
[09:55:40] <ssi> I know that commercial machines that do it use AC spindle servos
[09:55:46] <zeeshan|2> yes
[09:55:47] <ssi> the CHNC has a spindle servo
[09:55:57] <zeeshan|2> ive worked with a few in the past, mostly fanuc servo spindles
[09:56:02] <ssi> my HNC is a synchronous ac motor, and I added vector vfd
[09:56:40] <Jymmm> _methods: Since when does plywood do OCR?
[09:56:49] <Jymmm> _methods: and where do I get some from?
[09:57:07] <zeeshan|2> "A year ago more or less, Andy Pugh showed that it's not a crazy idea to use a conventional three phase induction motor and a VFD in closed loop with LinuxCNC software for positioning. Anyway, Andy told that his VFD was old, and it couldn't respond well below 200 rpm. Nevertheless, the experiment that Andy did, was really good and impressive. Here is a video of that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
[09:57:10] <zeeshan|2> where is andypugh!
[09:57:16] <zeeshan|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTJNEVpvYY
[09:57:18] <ssi> he's in and out
[09:57:35] <ssi> it'd be worth messing with
[09:57:36] <_methods> Jymmm: hahah your eyes do teh OCR
[09:57:45] * Jymmm knows how hot it's gonna get today so has already setup VM RDP on a laptop right under the AC =)
[09:57:48] <ssi> although I haven't had much need for absolute spindle positioning on my lathe
[09:57:49] <Jymmm> _methods: screw that!
[09:57:56] <ssi> it's handy if you have live tooling, but I don't
[09:57:56] <_methods> hehe
[09:58:07] <zeeshan|2> well i was planning to mount a live tool in the tool post
[09:58:23] <ssi> you gots big plans :)
[09:58:28] <zeeshan|2> and it'd be nice to cut straight gears like that
[09:58:34] <Jymmm> _methods: have you messed with the google OCR yet? It's pretty damn good actually. I was very surprised.
[09:58:39] <_methods> yeah
[09:58:43] <_methods> it works very well
[09:58:49] <Jymmm> even Kanji too
[09:58:53] <zeeshan|2> or even do broaching operations
[09:58:54] <_methods> suprised teh shit out of me
[09:59:30] <_methods> their voice recognition is really good too i use it on my asterisk server instead of festivus or whatever it's called
[09:59:38] <ssi> I'd like to try polygon turning through spindle synchronized X motion
[09:59:40] <Jymmm> _methods: Now, if we can only get the rest of google's shit to work sas well
[09:59:46] <archivist> zeeshan|2, I think you will need a more rigid/accurate rotary for gears
[09:59:46] <Jymmm> as*
[09:59:48] <McUles_> hi @all
[09:59:57] <McUles_> i have a little trouble :)
[09:59:59] <zeeshan|2> rotary?
[10:00:12] <McUles_> im using linuxcnc my first time
[10:00:15] <ssi> archivist: you've done a bunch of gear cutting haven't you
[10:00:23] <archivist> mebe :)
[10:00:31] <Jymmm> McUles_: Type in sentances please
[10:00:34] <ssi> I recall you talking about that years ago :)
[10:00:37] <ssi> gears ago
[10:00:56] <Jymmm> McUles_: Talking like
[10:00:59] <Jymmm> McUles_: this is
[10:01:05] <archivist> accuracy of the rotary matters for gears
[10:01:05] <Jymmm> McUles_: really annoying
[10:01:29] <zeeshan|2> ofcourse
[10:01:29] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:01:38] <archivist> you frightened him off!
[10:01:43] <Jymmm> Another satisfied victi... customer!
[10:01:53] <Jymmm> NEXT???
[10:02:01] * ssi raises hand
[10:02:01] <zeeshan|2> hi
[10:02:03] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm:
[10:02:05] <zeeshan|2> !
[10:02:11] <McUles_> i have a TS4030c-H80 milling maschine. All axes are working so far, in the GUI i can move all three manual. But with the linuxcnc example it isnt moving the Y axis
[10:02:28] <McUles_> Jymmm: Sorry, better? ;)
[10:02:38] <Jymmm> McUles_: MUCH, thank you =)
[10:03:02] <archivist> McUles_, do you have a scope to check signals on that axis
[10:03:33] <McUles_> nope, no scope
[10:04:03] <McUles_> but in manual mode all axis are working fine just in run mode not
[10:04:14] <zeeshan|2> are you sure your gcode is right? :p
[10:04:27] <zeeshan|2> isnt the linuxcnc example 2d?
[10:04:34] <McUles_> yes
[10:05:21] <McUles_> its the example which loads on first start (axis.ngc)
[10:05:48] <zeeshan|2> i'm not in front of my linuxcnc compuiter, but go through the G code and make sure there is movement requested in the axis of interest?
[10:06:04] <zeeshan|2> i really thought it was a 2d example, which would mean it'll only move in 2 axis
[10:06:50] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: ppl have milled the example.ngc file before
[10:07:07] <McUles_> Z axis is just for the tool go up and down, in the screen the Y axis value is changing, in the gcode on the bottom are requests for Y too
[10:07:12] <Jymmm> wouldn't 2D be lathe? I think it's 2.5D to be more accurate.
[10:08:57] * cpresser did the example.ngc a few years ago: https://ca.rstenpresser.de/~cpresser/tmp/pictures/20100514_emc2_milling.jpg
[10:09:45] <McUles_> is there a way to check the output on parallel per software?
[10:09:56] <zeeshan|2> yea
[10:09:58] <zeeshan|2> hal scope
[10:10:21] <archivist> I like a real scope as I have seen interface problems
[10:10:48] <zeeshan|2> if you can jog the axis manually, and running the g-code to move in a certain axis
[10:11:01] <zeeshan|2> then it could be your hal file that might be incorrect? :p
[10:11:16] <zeeshan|2> archivist: do you use g33 or g76 on your lathe
[10:11:18] <zeeshan|2> for threading
[10:11:29] <archivist> there are cases where there is a series R in the driver AND breakout board, meaning the driver opto is not driven properly
[10:11:38] <archivist> g76
[10:11:47] <zeeshan|2> g76 still does synch motion?
[10:11:51] <archivist> yes
[10:12:04] <zeeshan|2> okay, cause g33 makes the g-code so long :/
[10:12:21] <archivist> see the g76 example
[10:12:30] <zeeshan|2> yea im looking at it :P
[10:13:04] <zeeshan|2> what i love about threading is
[10:13:07] <zeeshan|2> i dont need a relief
[10:13:28] <zeeshan|2> g33 was dead on yesterday
[10:14:21] <McUles_> nasty, clicked in the gcode to run from a line and is moving now?
[10:14:32] <McUles_> no changes in settings
[10:14:44] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:14:48] <zeeshan|2> it prolly paused for a tool change
[10:16:11] <McUles_> ok, restarted the example and not working again :(
[10:16:16] <_methods> silly chinese electronics
[10:16:28] <_methods> check all your wiring
[10:16:34] <archivist> McUles_, you might be on the edge of the timings, may need to slow something a bit
[10:16:53] <_methods> it's one of those 4030 engravers......
[10:17:19] <McUles_> yes
[10:17:54] <zeeshan|2> archivist: what angle do you keep your compound angle at?
[10:18:03] <zeeshan|2> for all your tools is it the same angle?
[10:18:39] <archivist> compound angle on a cnc... teh code does it
[10:18:50] <zeeshan|2> no, i understand the code does the offset
[10:19:00] <zeeshan|2> but im asking you, do you have one angle on the machine
[10:19:06] <zeeshan|2> from which you taught all your tool offsets?
[10:19:21] <zeeshan|2> (so in reality, you dont even need a compound)
[10:19:32] <archivist> I have a reference tool
[10:19:38] <ssi> zeeshan|2: you're best off not having a compound
[10:19:49] <ssi> or at the very least having a plate that makes it lock square to the cross slide
[10:19:56] <zeeshan|2> ah so you reteach with the reference tool
[10:20:11] <ssi> I eliminated the compound on my 602 and made a riser block that holds the toolpost square to the cross slide
[10:20:25] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if having a square tool post is good thought
[10:20:37] <zeeshan|2> when you're working with a center in the tailstock
[10:20:45] <zeeshan|2> it's nice to have it at 30 degrees or so
[10:20:45] <archivist> there has never been a compound on my cnc lathe
[10:20:54] <ssi> having a square tool is a great idea
[10:21:00] <zeeshan|2> actually
[10:21:03] <ssi> you vary your toolholder and insert geometry to suit the operation
[10:21:05] <zeeshan|2> a sqaure tool holder
[10:21:06] <McUles_> ok, when i start the gcode with the command "G21 G90 G64 G40" its not working, when i start a line later, its working
[10:21:09] <zeeshan|2> means more clearance from tail stock
[10:21:15] <zeeshan|2> cause the back of the computer doesnt wanna smash into the tailstock
[10:21:19] <zeeshan|2> *compound
[10:21:49] <McUles_> what could the matter with that line?
[10:21:56] <_methods> g64
[10:22:04] <zeeshan|2> ssi: one thing i get confused about is quick change tool posts
[10:22:07] <_methods> try leavin that out
[10:22:11] <Tecan> http://www.netpipe.ca/paste/?paste=2
[10:22:11] <ssi> when I say square the compound, I mean with the compound screw parallel to the cross screw, not perpendicular to it
[10:22:15] <zeeshan|2> a lot of people say "you cant run a CA tool post" on a 12x36
[10:22:18] <zeeshan|2> i dont see why not?
[10:22:18] <Tecan> put this in your imwheelrc settings
[10:22:21] <ssi> dials should be in the same spot
[10:22:25] <zeeshan|2> do you know what they're basing this off?
[10:22:32] <ssi> zeeshan|2: because of the height range of the holders
[10:22:41] <zeeshan|2> oh
[10:22:43] <ssi> 12x36 I think needs to be a BXA size
[10:22:49] <zeeshan|2> yea i have bxa
[10:22:56] <zeeshan|2> but, can i not run a CA tool holder
[10:23:03] <zeeshan|2> if i make a custom 'riser block'
[10:23:04] <ssi> not on top of a compound
[10:23:14] <ssi> if you remove the compound you can make a riser that gives you whatever you need
[10:23:24] <zeeshan|2> yea, it'd be nice to use 1" shank tools
[10:23:26] <zeeshan|2> which are so cheap to buy
[10:23:32] <zeeshan|2> vs all these smaller ones
[10:23:36] <ssi> I use mostly 3/4" shank tools
[10:23:44] <ssi> and I use axa holders, but I mill some of them out
[10:23:51] <zeeshan|2> i dont wanna mill these out
[10:23:54] <zeeshan|2> they lose resale :P
[10:23:59] <ssi> meh, they're $12 each :P
[10:23:59] <zeeshan|2> or if i wanna trade em in the future
[10:24:05] <zeeshan|2> not the iscar or sandvik ones
[10:24:13] <zeeshan|2> they get expensive fast
[10:24:15] <ssi> iscar axa toolholders?
[10:24:18] <zeeshan|2> no
[10:24:20] <ssi> not talking about the insert holder
[10:24:22] <ssi> I don't mill those
[10:24:24] <ssi> unless they're cheap
[10:24:31] <ssi> and usually they have to be ground, not milled
[10:24:45] <zeeshan|2> ive milled em with carbide
[10:24:46] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:24:53] <zeeshan|2> it wasn't fun
[10:24:57] <ssi> no, not fun
[10:25:02] <ssi> I have a 6x18 surface grinder :P
[10:25:10] <zeeshan|2> still
[10:25:15] <zeeshan|2> thats a lot of material to remove on a grinder
[10:25:20] <zeeshan|2> you rather have a shitty finish on a mill first
[10:25:25] <ssi> sure
[10:25:35] <zeeshan|2> great
[10:25:38] <zeeshan|2> now you've given me a new project
[10:25:40] <ssi> heh
[10:25:42] <zeeshan|2> riser block and order CA holders
[10:25:57] <ssi> so here's what you need to keep in mind
[10:25:59] <zeeshan|2> and ithink im going to get a wedge type tool post
[10:26:40] <ssi> toolpost needs to be at a height so that the bottom of the toolholderholder is 1" below centerline of your spindle
[10:26:45] <ssi> to use 1" toolholders
[10:27:14] <ssi> but if you want to use smaller tools, need to make sure you have enough vertical adjust in the holders to get them raised
[10:27:27] <ssi> so you probably want it so that close to the lowest adjustment, the 1" holders are on center
[10:27:33] <archivist> pack under the tool
[10:27:40] <ssi> so that you have at least 1/2" of vertical adjust for smaller tools
[10:27:45] <ssi> archivist: you can do that, but it's a pain
[10:28:01] <archivist> tool setting is always a pain
[10:28:26] <_methods> shim shim aroo
[10:28:27] <zeeshan|2> the whole idea is
[10:28:31] <zeeshan|2> post the tool in
[10:28:32] <zeeshan|2> all it a day
[10:28:43] <zeeshan|2> *call it a day
[10:29:40] <ssi> you want to have enough holders that you can set them all up and leave them
[10:30:07] <ssi> what I like to do is mark the back af the holder with silver sharpie with tool numbers
[10:30:18] <ssi> and then my tool table is setup with the offsets and geometry for what lives permanently in those holders
[10:30:24] <McUles_> when i delete the first line, its not working, when i just start from the second line, its working. What could be the matter here?
[10:30:27] <ssi> offsets relative to whatever reference poitn you're homed to
[10:30:41] <ssi> be it a reference tool, or the corner of the qctp, or whatever
[10:30:43] <_methods> pastebin your code
[10:30:49] <_methods> and did you write the code?
[10:30:55] <ssi> touch off using that reference, and then all your other tools are automatically compensated for
[10:30:56] <_methods> or are you just copy and pasta'n
[10:30:56] <archivist> McUles_, your expectations for what the line does
[10:31:26] <zeeshan|2> ssi: are you usng 3/4" tools
[10:31:34] <ssi> I believe so
[10:31:34] <zeeshan|2> by milling out the slot in the bxa?
[10:31:38] <ssi> yea
[10:31:42] <ssi> axa
[10:31:57] <ssi> I dunno I'll have to look at it again, i haven't run the little lathe in ages
[10:32:00] <zeeshan|2> BXA online it says
[10:32:01] <_methods> McUles_: pastebin all the code not just one line so we can see what you're trying to do
[10:32:01] <zeeshan|2> .625"
[10:32:06] <zeeshan|2> CA is 1"
[10:32:21] <zeeshan|2> so look, if i do 1" below the center line
[10:32:27] <zeeshan|2> technically, all i need is a longer stud
[10:32:30] <zeeshan|2> on the tool holder
[10:32:35] <zeeshan|2> to make it adjust higher if needed
[10:32:44] <zeeshan|2> actually, i might run out of gripping area
[10:32:44] <ssi> no, it's the other way around
[10:32:46] <zeeshan|2> for the wedge
[10:32:48] <ssi> you run the nut down to raise it
[10:32:50] <McUles_> http://pastebin.com/aWzwWL4f its the linuxcnc example
[10:32:58] <zeeshan|2> haha youre right
[10:33:01] <ssi> if you can't raise it enough, it's a big hassle
[10:33:04] <ssi> hang on lemme find you a pic
[10:33:11] <McUles_> starting from first line, dont work, from secon, its working
[10:33:41] <_methods> well is your machine set up in mm or inch?
[10:33:48] <McUles_> mm
[10:33:51] <_methods> guess it shouldn't matter
[10:33:53] <_methods> but
[10:34:02] <_methods> no errors at all?
[10:34:11] <_methods> it just won't run when you run from first line?
[10:34:36] <archivist> I think he expects movement on all gcodes, wrong!
[10:34:38] <McUles_> i dont get an error shown. Its running but without the Y axis. From second line its running with Y axis
[10:34:59] <_methods> did you home the machine?
[10:35:06] <McUles_> yes
[10:35:09] <archivist> the first line he pasted is just setup
[10:35:19] <ssi> zeeshan|2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/AfZIXOjCQAMGxJd.jpg:large
[10:35:29] <cpresser> McUles_: try moving with MDI. type "G0 X10" and "G0 Y10" to test each axis
[10:35:42] <zeeshan|2> ssi whats that for
[10:35:43] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/AfZIaN-CEAEVtQJ.jpg:large
[10:35:54] <zeeshan|2> you're using a larger tool
[10:35:56] <zeeshan|2> in a AXA
[10:35:56] <ssi> to raise the thing up further than the knurled nut could alone
[10:35:59] <zeeshan|2> and had to space it up further
[10:35:59] <ssi> for a SMALLER tool
[10:36:07] <Jymmm> cpresser: (and let's hope nits != feet =)
[10:36:07] <ssi> it's either that or shim the tool up
[10:36:09] <archivist> McUles_, do you realise g0 and g1 are the actual move commands
[10:36:12] <Jymmm> units*
[10:36:21] <zeeshan|2> ssi: you dont think if i made the CA work
[10:36:24] <zeeshan|2> 1" below center line
[10:36:30] <zeeshan|2> that i could technically get a 1/2" tool in there
[10:36:33] <zeeshan|2> lined up
[10:36:36] <ssi> if you can raise the holder enough, yes
[10:36:40] <McUles_> GO X10 and GO Y10 are working
[10:36:56] <zeeshan|2> well you know if i cant
[10:36:57] <ssi> I'm just giving you a heads up to pay attention to this when you size your riser
[10:36:58] <archivist> you dont have a problem then
[10:37:02] <zeeshan|2> shimming won't be a pain in the ass
[10:37:06] <zeeshan|2> cause it'll be an indexable tool
[10:37:11] <zeeshan|2> so once it's bolted in, its in there forever
[10:37:21] <_methods> he's probably got teh bed size set up wrong or soemthing ang getting over travels
[10:37:39] <zeeshan|2> ssi thanks!
[10:37:41] <ssi> np
[10:37:44] <zeeshan|2> i think im gonna go with CA holders
[10:37:45] <_methods> that should throw an alarm up though i would think
[10:37:46] <zeeshan|2> should work out
[10:37:48] <ssi> yeah
[10:37:52] <zeeshan|2> is your riser block
[10:37:59] <ssi> I made my riser out of a piece of 4" square hot roll solid bar
[10:38:03] <zeeshan|2> bolted down to the cross-slide?
[10:38:13] <zeeshan|2> or basically a spacer
[10:38:16] <ssi> bolted down
[10:38:18] <zeeshan|2> okay
[10:38:28] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/AfZISiwCIAEYNn-.jpg:large
[10:38:37] <zeeshan|2> hah
[10:38:39] <zeeshan|2> thats sexy!
[10:38:43] <zeeshan|2> i like the curves
[10:38:54] <ssi> and yea that's an AXA post
[10:39:00] <ssi> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/33885-250-200-phase-ii-piston-type-quick-change-tool-posts.html
[10:39:03] <ssi> that one
[10:39:19] <ssi> the hotroll bar had the radii already
[10:39:31] <ssi> the mouseholes are to clear SHCS heads on the stepper mount
[10:39:42] <zeeshan|2> http://www.accusizetools.ca/upfile/14.pdf
[10:39:45] <zeeshan|2> ca looks cheap locally
[10:39:51] <ssi> the ledge at the top is what the QCTP indexes against to stay square
[10:40:38] <zeeshan|2> ah cool
[10:40:40] <zeeshan|2> okay im late
[10:40:41] <cpresser> McUles_: then try running the program line-by-line by hand. and see what happens
[10:40:41] <zeeshan|2> BBL!!
[10:41:37] <McUles_> thats what i did
[10:41:57] <archivist> McUles_, g21 is not a move
[10:42:06] <McUles_> its just running when i skip the first line, but when i delete it, its not working
[10:42:10] <archivist> think about what that gcode means
[10:42:39] <McUles_> i dont know what the G21 does, im new in that :(
[10:42:41] <cpresser> McUles_: try "G0 X10 Y10" or similar) to test both axes at once
[10:43:01] <cpresser> McUles_: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html
[10:43:08] <McUles_> G0 X10 Y10 is working
[10:43:19] <cpresser> does it move as expected?
[10:44:07] <McUles_> yes, the G21 just means that all steps are im mm right?
[10:45:01] <archivist> yes
[10:45:36] <archivist> we dont know your machine or its scaling factors
[10:45:58] <_methods> ^^
[10:47:03] <McUles_> its that machine: http://www.door2doorshop.com/wholesale/4-Axis-CNC-router-engraver-machine-PCBs-routing-1482.html
[10:47:57] <archivist> you have set the scaling factors though
[10:48:16] <McUles_> where has it to be setup?
[10:50:48] <_methods> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_stepconf.html
[10:50:52] <_methods> did you do that?
[10:51:49] <McUles_> yep, hop ewith the right values :)
[10:52:26] <_methods> well those values are important so hoping will probably not cut it
[10:52:46] <McUles_> how to figure out the right values?
[10:52:49] <_methods> when you tell it to move to x10 does it actually travel 10mm?
[10:53:48] <_methods> are you microstepping?
[10:53:58] <_methods> did you set the right steps/rev?
[10:54:21] <McUles_> with x10 its travel 10mm
[10:54:36] <archivist> what pitch are the drive screws
[10:56:47] <McUles_> i dont know if all settings are correct there, found settings in another forum from a member with the same machine which was working
[10:57:38] <archivist> if your movements are 10mm when you command 10 then you can start to use the machine
[10:57:38] <McUles_> im completely new with setup a milling machine, was just using one 15 years ago when im was a traine but that was already setup :)
[10:57:49] <_methods> is there anyway you can take a screenshot of axis with that program loaded so we can see where you have your origin set at?
[10:58:32] <McUles_> sure, give me a minute
[10:58:38] <_methods> k
[11:14:58] <Jymmm> Is today a holiday?
[11:15:00] <ssi> peet
[11:15:01] <Jymmm> USA
[11:15:06] <McUles_> http://i60.tinypic.com/33v2hxf.png http://i59.tinypic.com/iqlflc.png http://i59.tinypic.com/x3a8o9.png http://i58.tinypic.com/15wl6h3.png http://i57.tinypic.com/r079k2.png http://i62.tinypic.com/9vcemw.png
[11:17:19] <Jymmm> nm, the company is shut down for a week
[11:17:40] <PetefromTn_> morning folks..
[11:17:47] <Jymmm> Would be nice if they say that on the ENTIRE website, and mot a lil blurp about it
[11:17:53] <Jymmm> not*
[11:19:10] <Jymmm> I don't know if you guys care or not, but there is a formica that holds a magnet.
[11:21:12] <Jymmm> It's not "Formica" brand, but a competitor... doubles as a chalk board too http://abetlaminati.com/products-page/laminate/specialty-laminates-digital-magnetico-stratificato-veneers/879-magnetico/
[11:23:26] <ssi> ugh speaking of imprecise language
[11:23:38] <ssi> the headlines being spun about this scotus decision are disingenuous to the point of criminality
[11:23:52] <Jymmm> ssi: yo momma!
[11:29:37] <JesusAlos> hi
[11:30:52] <JesusAlos> have a doubt with linuxcnc
[11:31:44] <JesusAlos> when attempt to cut a simple circle, there is not a complety round
[11:31:53] <JesusAlos> there are a vertical faces
[11:32:05] <ssi> that's evidence of backlash
[11:32:05] <JesusAlos> he do a vertical faces
[11:32:54] <JesusAlos> please, can you explain?
[11:33:11] <McUles_> _methods can you see something wrong?
[11:34:25] <JesusAlos> no
[11:34:39] <JesusAlos> the lines are ok
[11:35:55] <JesusAlos> I attempt to upload image to imagebin, but seems that the website are mark as Forward
[11:36:13] <JesusAlos> bu my browser and google
[11:39:26] <JesusAlos> ssi: please, what you mean with backlash
[11:40:08] <ssi> JesusAlos: in a circle, both axes are continually moving. One axis is going to come to a stop and reverse directions at each "side" of the circle. If it doesn't reverse direction instantly, you get a flat spot
[11:40:35] <ssi> backlash means that the motor moves for a small distance but the axis doesn't move, because it's taking up slop in the screw
[11:40:46] <ssi> or couplers, or gears, or somewhere. It's lost motion
[11:43:53] <JesusAlos> I undestarnd you say the problem is in mechanic parts but, why ever appear in the same face?
[11:44:05] <JesusAlos> and in different phisical machines
[11:45:01] <ssi> put a dial indicator on the axis, set linuxcnc to incremental jog, jog it one direction a ways and set the dial to zero, then jog it one step at a time the other way and see how far it has to go before the dial moves
[11:45:06] <ssi> that's backlash
[11:45:21] <ssi> until your axis exactly moves the amount that it's commanded to, you'll never cut perfect circles or accurate parts
[11:47:10] <Jymmm> JesusAlos: Backlash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqF_ETWvBCA
[11:48:50] <archivist> also design your gcode to not dwell in contact at start/end of arcs/circles
[11:53:58] <archivist> fixture/machine/part/tooling spring also causes marks
[11:56:54] <McUles_> Hi again, can anybody please have a look at that pictures and tell me if i something messed up?
[11:56:56] <McUles_> Settings http://i60.tinypic.com/33v2hxf.png http://i59.tinypic.com/iqlflc.png http://i59.tinypic.com/x3a8o9.png http://i58.tinypic.com/15wl6h3.png http://i57.tinypic.com/r079k2.png http://i62.tinypic.com/9vcemw.png Gui http://i60.tinypic.com/2ebep3k.png
[11:57:06] <JesusAlos> thank you very much. I try to look this way
[11:58:54] <archivist> McUles_, we cannot know
[12:00:07] <archivist> McUles_, if your movements are 10mm when you command 10 then you can start to use the machine
[12:00:54] <McUles_> no, i cant. When i start my GCode in the first line, its not moving the Y axis, when i start in the second Line, its working fine
[12:01:03] <archivist> note some of the demos are for english units not metric or are out of bounds so may not work as expected
[12:01:40] <archivist> your statement about first/second line makes no sense
[12:01:48] <Jymmm> McUles_: Can you paste your entire gcode at http://codepad.org ?
[12:02:05] <archivist> he is using the splash gcode I think
[12:02:20] <McUles_> http://pastebin.com/aWzwWL4f
[12:02:23] <archivist> which may well not work on a metric machine
[12:02:59] <McUles_> why, it was delivered with G21 starting, isn't that metric?
[12:03:09] <archivist> the first line has no movement
[12:03:19] <_methods> here's a pic of his axis screen
[12:03:21] <_methods> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ebep3k&s=8#.U7GSWfldVDQ
[12:03:34] <_methods> not sure if that will help
[12:03:43] <_methods> i can't figure out what he's got goin on
[12:04:18] <Jymmm> McUles_: http://www.mmattera.com/g-code/gcodes.html
[12:04:19] <archivist> look at line 1 of that gcode
[12:04:33] <_methods> heheh
[12:05:03] <archivist> Jymmm, how does that help, point him at linuxcnc docs
[12:05:29] <archivist> like http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html
[12:05:33] <McUles_> im in the docs, thats not the trouble. To understand the docs is the trouble :)
[12:06:50] <McUles_> which parameter is the trouble?
[12:06:54] <McUles_> the g40?
[12:07:04] <archivist> what is the real error
[12:08:02] <archivist> all I can guess is a scaling error
[12:08:49] <Jymmm> McUles_: http://pastebin.com/uPschsj6
[12:09:43] <PetefromTn_> Wish me luck guys we are showing our house today!!
[12:10:04] <jdh> cool
[12:10:09] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: But but but... it's in TN =)
[12:12:18] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:13:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah man that is the only thing wrong with it LOL..
[12:13:12] <IchGuckLive> hi McUles_
[12:13:25] <McUles_> Hi
[12:13:30] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: and being a mostly dry state =)
[12:14:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: serve boose at the open house, that shuld get you some bids =)
[12:14:58] <IchGuckLive> McUles_: let me quick check your g-code to be shure where the error is im in germany By the way
[12:15:02] <jdh> wasnt' really dry when I lived there.
[12:15:25] <McUles_> from where are you?
[12:15:38] <Jymmm> jdh: I really have no clue, just know the home of JD is a dry county, love the irony of that =)
[12:15:54] <IchGuckLive> im near Kaiserslautern
[12:16:09] <jdh> it's that way for a reason
[12:16:14] <McUles_> not next door, im near Schweinfurt
[12:16:16] <jdh> I used to work there.
[12:16:32] <Jymmm> jdh: bunch of drunks running around?
[12:16:57] <jdh> no, but no need to buy any.
[12:17:16] <PetefromTn_> I don't drink so it is a no big dealio for me....heheh
[12:17:25] <Jymmm> jdh: So "dry" is "purchase of", not posession or consumption of?
[12:17:34] <jdh> yep
[12:17:48] <jdh> they keep it that way so they can say that.
[12:17:58] <PetefromTn_> hell if they want it here they just brew it out back LOL...
[12:18:03] <jdh> and most of the people work there so they get free booze anyway
[12:18:19] <Jymmm> Right, same when I worked at a winery
[12:18:31] <Jymmm> ...by the case =)
[12:18:45] <jdh> you don't have to get JD. it is owned by Brown-Forman who owns lots fo brands
[12:18:56] <Jymmm> Since I don't drink wine, all my friends loved me that Christmas =)
[12:18:56] <PetefromTn_> There are actually some really cool wineries around here. We went to Gatlinburg, Tn recently and sampled some of it. Pretty nice..
[12:19:28] <PetefromTn_> They also have a local wine tasting festival and it draws a lot of attention.
[12:19:30] <jdh> I used to know some guys that owned a winery just down 75 from kville
[12:19:40] <PetefromTn_> Blackberry Farms has their own label too I think....
[12:20:31] <PetefromTn_> Either way I sure would be happy if I could sell our house and get a reasonable offer on it so we can point the car down south permanently..
[12:22:16] <jdh> dunno... I love going to .fl.us, but I don't know that I would want to live there.
[12:22:18] <jthornton> you can purchase Jack Daniels from the distillery if it is in a commemorative bottle
[12:23:30] <PetefromTn_> its not perfect but neither is this place. Besides I can live with its negatives as long as I can fish and surf and dive again and enjoy the ocean.
[12:23:44] <jdh> that's some nasty stuff... even when I got it free, I got somethign other than JD
[12:24:09] <jdh> ahh... well, I can do all that here, so I understand that part.
[12:24:25] <jdh> though I find fishing boring and don't surf :)
[12:24:32] <jdh> I did dive here Saturday
[12:24:40] <CaptHindsight> http://pastebin.com/S2dN6VVg What is the "regular acceleration limit MAX_ACCELERATION"? And how does this relate to the values in the trajectory section for DEFAULT_ACCELERATION and MAX_ACCELERATION?
[12:24:42] <jdh> 82f on the bottom, 50-60ft vis
[12:26:15] <Jymmm> When it comes to air nozzle jets, does a smaller diameter increase the pressure?
[12:26:33] <ssi> PetefromTn_: are you selling the mill with the house?
[12:27:35] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: depends on the number of nozzles and where you are measuring the pressure
[12:27:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: At the exit of the nozzle
[12:28:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: exit is "free air", like a blow gun on a compressor hose
[12:30:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If I went from 0.250" to 0.020", would that increase the pressure at the exit of the blow gun?
[12:31:05] <jdh> or velocity?
[12:33:28] <Jymmm> an increase in velocity might be fine. I just need to overcome a "cross breeze" (so to speak)
[12:40:44] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it's similar to hydraulics but gas will compress
[12:41:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/pressure.html
[12:43:38] <IchGuckLive> hi JesusAlos
[12:47:25] <JesusAlos> hi
[12:47:49] <JesusAlos> What about Germany?
[12:49:18] <IchGuckLive> nice try like not in spain
[12:49:35] <IchGuckLive> and Temp goes up to 30deg this week again
[12:50:46] <JesusAlos> my skin start to tan
[12:51:03] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:51:19] <JesusAlos> In August maybe seem a Marroquin
[12:51:32] <JesusAlos> :)
[12:51:33] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: I'll try to take some pics of the next passing tornado for you
[12:52:09] <IchGuckLive> its on tornadovideos live
[12:52:10] <CaptHindsight> we get sirens once a week now
[12:52:22] <ssi> it's storming and hailing like crazy in atlanta
[12:52:24] <ssi> currently
[12:54:32] <_methods> hah as long as it doesn't snow you should be safe
[12:54:38] <ssi> yup
[12:54:42] <_methods> hehe
[12:54:56] <ssi> heh when we had the big snow that stranded everyone this year
[12:54:59] <ssi> I slept in cause I'm a slacker
[12:55:01] <_methods> that aint happen in july in atlanta
[12:55:11] <ssi> I was driving into work about 11:30, and it started to snow a tiny bit
[12:55:17] <ssi> and I said "screw this" and turned around and went home
[12:55:21] <IchGuckLive> hi ssi
[12:55:21] <ssi> best decision I ever made
[12:55:24] <ssi> hey Ich
[12:55:27] <_methods> no doubt
[12:55:31] <CaptHindsight> no salt trucks or plows in Atlanta ... yet?
[12:55:40] <ssi> we have tons of salt trucks and plows
[12:55:42] <ssi> far more than we need
[12:55:44] <ssi> they couldn't get them out
[12:55:44] <_methods> they're so scared of snow here they called that shit just because it was cold
[12:55:55] <ssi> problem with that particular storm was it started at noon
[12:55:57] <_methods> it might freeze so no school
[12:55:57] <ssi> everyone was at work
[12:56:01] <ssi> and they sent everyone home all at once
[12:56:14] <ssi> put 11 million people on the interstate at the same time in the snow
[12:56:16] <ssi> bad plan
[12:56:31] <_methods> usually atlanta traffic isn't that bad
[12:56:36] <_methods> hahahahahahhahahahahahhaha
[12:56:40] <ssi> suuuuure
[12:57:05] <_methods> buddy of mine was a civil engineer working for teh city of atlanta in the 70's
[12:57:14] <ssi> ok I blame him
[12:57:19] <_methods> he told me they contracted some guy from LA to come "help" them out
[12:57:23] <IchGuckLive> ssi: one more about your development post
[12:57:32] <_methods> after he spent 2 years looking at the city and took like $2mil
[12:57:41] <ssi> IchGuckLive: ok?
[12:57:44] <IchGuckLive> its better to take the plasma timeout at the new startpoint
[12:57:55] <_methods> he told them they'd have to level downtown to have any hope of fixin atlanta
[12:57:59] <IchGuckLive> so the airblowout is not blowing your water
[12:58:07] <ssi> oh... I figured you might want the postflow over the cut, but yea that makes sense
[12:58:11] <IchGuckLive> ssi: so wait bevor M3
[12:58:20] <ssi> postflow is for cooling the torch, rather than for shielding like it is with tig
[13:01:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: http://www.tlv.com/global/TI/calculator/air-flow-rate-through-orifice.html
[13:04:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Thanks, tried it, but above my paygrade =)
[13:10:10] <Jymmm> SCFM is volume isn't it?
[13:10:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineersedge.com/wwwboard/posts/15354.html
[13:11:16] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_cubic_feet_per_minute
[13:14:18] <ssi> delta volume
[13:15:28] <Jymmm> I don't have an anameter, but I'm guestimating I have about 200 FPM across the table. I'm trying to figure out what I need to overcome that "cross breeze". I just need to "blow out" light stuff. Much like if you were to take an air hose connected to a compressor to blow away sawdust.
[13:16:37] <CaptHindsight> nozzle shape is also a big factor
[13:16:55] <Jymmm> shape or diamter?
[13:17:01] <CaptHindsight> both
[13:17:11] <Jymmm> Well, it'll be round =)
[13:17:23] <CaptHindsight> round vs cone
[13:17:57] <CaptHindsight> what dia are you working with?
[13:18:16] <jdh> or a cone with a pintle
[13:18:19] <Jymmm> It's coming from a 1/4" line, to a 1/8" tube.
[13:18:22] <CaptHindsight> 0.250" to 0.020"
[13:18:46] <Jymmm> And I'm wondering if I need smaller tube, thsus the 0.020" I mentioned.
[13:18:57] <PetefromTn_> ssi.. Sorry man honestly if I got a great price for the house I would consider leaving the mill here LOL..
[13:19:08] <ssi> heheh
[13:19:15] <ssi> you gonna move it with you tho?
[13:19:19] <ssi> planning to?
[13:19:20] <jdh> tell the buyer that if they pay me $500, I'll come get it out of the way for them.
[13:19:56] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: http://www.wunderground.com/severe.asp its alrady on the map
[13:20:25] <CaptHindsight> there was an ebay listing for a mill that also comes with a house and 20 acres if interested
[13:20:42] <Jymmm> ...for an extra $90K
[13:21:21] <IchGuckLive> in sunshine state FL
[13:21:36] <IchGuckLive> with direct aligatow view
[13:21:52] <IchGuckLive> snake fence may be broken
[13:22:14] <IchGuckLive> some slight storm damage O.O
[13:22:30] <IchGuckLive> but he has new grees in the mashine
[13:23:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cincinnatti-Milicron-Saber-1000-Vertical-Machining-Centre-VMC-/121371214900
[13:25:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-cnc-milling-machine-/131219723499 $k or best
[13:25:32] <CaptHindsight> $4K
[13:26:21] <_methods> those maats' are nice machines
[13:26:35] <IchGuckLive> and stable
[13:26:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CINCINNATI-SABRE-750-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-ONE-WITH-4TH-AXIS-/221467896469
[13:27:16] <_methods> nice open enclosure on maats too
[13:27:33] <CaptHindsight> open air milling
[13:27:37] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: this mashines are offen used in mass production lines and may got a hint in some Travelspace so be aware
[13:27:42] <ssi> I can't hit ebay from here anymore
[13:27:44] <ssi> I wonder if work filtered it
[13:27:47] * Loetmichel just solved a problem with a blubbering e-cig... [19:14] <Loetmichel> *ha*, changed the provided 2.0hm dual coil with new 1.5 ohm dual coil. VERY much better... THATS how i like it: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14993&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 seems the provided vaporizers are bullshit. too big silicone insulator in the base, plugs the air holes.
[13:27:50] <ssi> that'd be REALLY weird, since they don't filter ANYTHING ELSE
[13:27:54] <ssi> including porn
[13:28:08] <IchGuckLive> oh porn filter is evel
[13:28:09] <Loetmichel> ... steaming away now ;-)
[13:28:32] <IchGuckLive> michel public viewing all over
[13:28:37] <CaptHindsight> CINCINNATI SABRE 750 VERTICAL MACHINING CENTER TWO AVAILABLE. ONE WITH 4TH AXIS. PRICED THE SAME.
[13:30:00] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: it depends on the price and the time you might want to spend overhauling them
[13:30:14] <CaptHindsight> the big iron is difficult to break
[13:30:27] <IchGuckLive> but hart to fix
[13:30:42] <CaptHindsight> the worst is probably having the replace the spindle
[13:30:59] <IchGuckLive> if you miss 4/10 at near main workroom its not so good
[13:31:50] <IchGuckLive> cincinatti ais on pricice rack pinion
[13:32:08] <IchGuckLive> very high qualety
[13:34:03] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: what's the popular vertical mill in Germany? Like our Bridgeports
[13:34:29] <Loetmichel> deckel
[13:34:30] <Loetmichel> :-)
[13:34:51] <IchGuckLive> DMG Decke├Âl Maho Gildemeister
[13:34:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRIDGEPORT-CNC-/301218221100 $750.00
[13:35:00] <IchGuckLive> but all stuff is in use
[13:35:02] <PetefromTn_> ssi actually we are planning to move it with us but that is assuming we can find a house that has enought headroom to fit the damn thing. If not we will just sell it ;)
[13:35:47] <IchGuckLive> Lots of Haas mashines here in the Southwest
[13:36:15] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: bridgeport is more the hobby class mill
[13:36:24] <jdh> my 6040 order is still 'Processing'
[13:36:27] <Loetmichel> so deckel and maybe emco would fit.
[13:36:33] <IchGuckLive> http://www.katzenmeier-gmbh.de/cnc-bearbeitungszentren.html
[13:36:35] <ssi> my shapeoko kit should be here today
[13:36:42] <ssi> both marked delivered
[13:36:45] <ssi> at garage :(
[13:36:48] <ssi> means they're getting soaking wet
[13:36:54] <jdh> wow, you went even more low budget than me.
[13:36:57] <Loetmichel> and of course all the Optimum
[13:37:01] <ssi> well it's for a pick 'n place
[13:37:04] <CaptHindsight> BRIGEPORT Computer Numerical Control Boss-5 1979 Spindle.Motor works Well.Control doesn't light.... a bargain
[13:37:22] <jdh> heh. Which interface?
[13:37:24] <jdh> <urk>
[13:37:32] <CaptHindsight> Moosup, Connecticut,
[13:38:11] <zeeshan-laptop> hi friends
[13:38:17] <ssi> ey zeesh
[13:38:30] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: http://wabeco-remscheid.de/
[13:38:36] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi that ca tool holder shit is expensive
[13:38:37] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[13:38:43] <ssi> yep!
[13:38:48] <ssi> I'd do bxa if I were in your shoes
[13:38:49] <zeeshan-laptop> swapping over = $$$$
[13:38:53] <zeeshan-laptop> i have bxa already
[13:38:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Tru-Trace-Milling-Machine-/141328550558 US $1,250.00
[13:38:57] <ssi> even better :)
[13:39:02] <Loetmichel> ah, dreaded wabeco of course from the town where i grew up ;)
[13:39:03] <zeeshan-laptop> but i really wanna use 1" tools
[13:39:16] <ssi> so get some cheap holders and cut em
[13:39:17] <zeeshan-laptop> 3/4" i can see modifying the bxa tool holder
[13:39:25] <zeeshan-laptop> but 1" might be too much
[13:39:36] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: http://cnc-step.de/
[13:39:57] <ssi> what's a quarter inch between friends?!
[13:40:27] <zeeshan-laptop> haha
[13:40:33] <zeeshan-laptop> lemme look up specs
[13:41:15] <IchGuckLive> ok im off for today CaptHindsight keep your head down as tornados neering in
[13:42:03] <zeeshan-laptop> bxa is for 5/8" tools
[13:42:11] <zeeshan-laptop> and its maximum dimension is 1.75"
[13:42:42] <zeeshan-laptop> so if i milled it bigger, there would be .375" of meat on both sides
[13:42:52] <zeeshan-laptop> hmm.. that might be ok
[13:43:11] <zeeshan-laptop> the CXA is significantly bigger
[13:43:24] <zeeshan-laptop> meant for 3/4" tool and 2.125 meat
[13:43:48] <zeeshan-laptop> so .575" of meat on each side
[13:44:45] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1511/Turning_and_Facing_Holder_1_Type_401
[13:44:45] <zeeshan-laptop> CXA wedge style tool post = 169$ damn
[13:44:49] <ssi> D size
[13:44:51] <ssi> is 1"
[13:46:21] <zeeshan-laptop> the real question is
[13:46:28] <zeeshan-laptop> is .375" of material on both sides OK
[13:46:29] <zeeshan-laptop> or not
[13:46:36] <ssi> dunno! :)
[13:46:38] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[13:46:44] <ssi> the real question is
[13:46:48] <ssi> why do you want 1" toolholders so much
[13:46:53] <zeeshan-laptop> they are cheap!
[13:47:02] <ssi> ok
[13:47:07] <ssi> then yes, probably it's ok
[13:47:13] <ssi> if you had said "rigidity!"
[13:47:13] <ssi> then no
[13:47:19] <zeeshan-laptop> lol no
[13:47:25] <ssi> because no point using a 1" toolholder if you have to compromise the rigidity of your post holder
[13:47:25] <zeeshan-laptop> this machine isnt rigid enough
[13:47:27] <zeeshan-laptop> to handle 1:"
[13:47:53] <zeeshan-laptop> like for example
[13:47:56] <zeeshan-laptop> iscars turn groove tool
[13:48:02] <zeeshan-laptop> is 1" or bigger shank
[13:48:03] <PetefromTn_> Well guys just left after looking at my house. They were here with the realtor for a LONG TIME. They were out back talking for maybe an hour or so. Who knows maybe I will get an offer here. Crossing fingers guys!! LOL
[13:48:03] <zeeshan-laptop> =/
[13:48:33] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi buy my bxa tool holder
[13:48:42] <ssi> don't need it
[13:48:53] <ssi> PetefromTn_: :)
[13:49:04] <PetefromTn_> what size does BXA fit?
[13:49:09] <ssi> 5/8"
[13:49:15] <zeeshan-laptop> pete buy it!
[13:49:21] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[13:49:28] <PetefromTn_> is it just a toolholder or a toolpost with holders?
[13:49:37] <zeeshan-laptop> everything
[13:49:40] <zeeshan-laptop> lemme link pic
[13:49:47] <PetefromTn_> chinko?
[13:50:17] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.tools4cheap.net/products.php?cat=9
[13:50:24] <zeeshan-laptop> scroll, bottom left
[13:50:26] <zeeshan-laptop> yea chinko
[13:50:32] <zeeshan-laptop> what i paid 110 for this
[13:50:34] <zeeshan-laptop> thats not bad
[13:50:40] <zeeshan-laptop> so im not losing massive money
[13:51:02] <zeeshan-laptop> tools 4 cheap has the ca wedge style for 350$
[13:51:11] <PetefromTn_> why are you selling it?
[13:51:17] <zeeshan-laptop> need to get bigger
[13:51:21] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: were they in uniform and did they have dogs that sniffed around? :)
[13:51:33] <PetefromTn_> smartass..
[13:52:07] <PetefromTn_> no actually it was a nice country fellow with his daugher and the realtor lady. He seemed interested. Who knows..?
[13:52:14] <zeeshan-laptop> fuck it
[13:52:17] <jdh> daughter/wife?
[13:52:22] <zeeshan-laptop> im gonna modify the bxa
[13:52:24] <zeeshan-laptop> and save money
[13:52:31] <PetefromTn_> why do you need to get a bigger set?
[13:52:37] <zeeshan-laptop> cause i have a few 1" tools
[13:52:47] <zeeshan-laptop> im just gonna modify the bxa holders
[13:52:50] <jdh> blount county rednecks
[13:52:54] <zeeshan-laptop> .375" of meat is enough
[13:52:58] <zeeshan-laptop> if i have to weld that shit in
[13:52:59] <zeeshan-laptop> i will
[13:53:00] <zeeshan-laptop> !
[13:53:05] <PetefromTn_> how much you want for the set?
[13:53:11] <zeeshan-laptop> 60
[13:53:15] <zeeshan-laptop> half of what i paid
[13:53:22] <PetefromTn_> thats a good deal..
[13:53:34] <zeeshan-laptop> but i think im gonna keep it man
[13:53:39] <zeeshan-laptop> and modify
[13:53:40] <PetefromTn_> okay.
[13:53:47] <zeeshan-laptop> whats the worst that can happen if i make it a 1" slot
[13:53:47] <PetefromTn_> indian giver LOL
[13:53:51] <zeeshan-laptop> itll be less rigid
[13:53:52] <zeeshan-laptop> oh well
[13:54:07] <zeeshan-laptop> ill do a fea simulation on it
[13:54:07] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[13:54:19] <PetefromTn_> it will explode upon entering the workpiece sending shrapnel into your face, eyes and groin...
[13:54:24] <zeeshan-laptop> haha
[13:54:32] <ssi> mostry groin
[13:54:35] <ssi> mostly
[13:54:42] <zeeshan-laptop> it might pain me
[13:54:47] <zeeshan-laptop> but i think i might just mill out the tools
[13:54:51] <zeeshan-laptop> like ssi initually suggested
[13:54:53] <zeeshan-laptop> ;p
[13:55:00] <PetefromTn_> aren't they hardened?
[13:55:04] <ssi> yeah I had to grind mine :P
[13:55:06] <marmite_> i gotta be a fucktard, i cant seem to find a chuck key for my chuck
[13:55:12] <zeeshan-laptop> yea pete
[13:55:16] <marmite_> that dont cost 100-200 usd
[13:55:17] <zeeshan-laptop> carbide seems to machine em fine
[13:55:33] <zeeshan-laptop> i machined the partiling tool holder
[13:55:35] <zeeshan-laptop> and it worked fine
[13:55:41] <PetefromTn_> then they are not hardened ..
[13:55:42] <zeeshan-laptop> a little bit of sparks
[13:55:50] <zeeshan-laptop> they are
[13:55:56] <zeeshan-laptop> prolly to 55rockwell c
[13:56:02] <zeeshan-laptop> carbide can eat through that no prob
[13:56:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah but not on a noodle brigdeport HEHEHEE
[13:57:27] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[13:57:40] <zeeshan-laptop> pete
[13:57:44] <zeeshan-laptop> i got threading working onthe lahte
[13:57:45] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[13:59:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAI-TNC-125S-CNC-LATHE-B31555-/360858256309 and no tooling?
[14:01:06] <zeeshan-laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vePhuVR3Lc
[14:01:06] <zeeshan-laptop> !
[14:01:45] <zeeshan-laptop> im gonna make some handles for the drill press today
[14:02:41] <k6mle> Newbie question: I get an error that says: "Program exceeds machine mininum on axis Y" ... How are minimums and maximums adjusted, or how do I get beyond this error?
[14:03:11] <jdh> k6mle: if it isn't physically too big, you need to touch-off Y axis
[14:05:35] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.iscar.com/eCatalog/Family.aspx?fnum=43&mapp=TG&app=1&GFSTYP=M
[14:05:36] <zeeshan-laptop> hmm
[14:05:37] <k6mle> jdh: thanks ... I'm just trying to run through some g-code at the moment and don't have the motors turned on. Never dealt with 'touch-off', so not sure what you mean.
[14:05:39] <zeeshan-laptop> i have that
[14:05:45] <zeeshan-laptop> apparently you can use it for turning?
[14:06:07] <jdh> k6mle: move your y to where you want 0 to be. Hit Y then 'end' then 'enter
[14:08:28] <k6mle> jdh: do you mean mechanically move the motor on the Y axis? I don't have motors turned on, or mounted. Just trying to get the feel for the LinuxCNC program.
[14:09:28] <jdh> doesn't matter. just use teh up/down arrows to move teh pointer
[14:11:30] <k6mle> jdh: I have AXIS on the screen and don't see any up/down arrows ...
[14:11:52] <jdh> they are on your keyboard
[14:11:53] <archivist> the keys
[14:12:21] <k6mle> jdh: OH!
[14:12:36] <jdh> up/down, left/right, pg-up/pg-dn for z
[14:13:11] <PetefromTn_> that threading cycle looks tight man..
[14:13:40] <jdh> Pete: you are almost in time for the first Tropical storm in .fl.us for the season.
[14:13:45] <PetefromTn_> well heading to the library ..
[14:13:47] <archivist> zeeshan-laptop, now retry with g76 and get it more accurate
[14:14:01] <zeeshan-laptop> archivist: cant wait to go home and try
[14:14:02] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[14:14:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I know I never really worried about that.
[14:14:16] <PetefromTn_> Lived there most of my life and saw tons come and go with no worry.
[14:14:28] <jdh> I worry :)
[14:14:29] <zeeshan-laptop> archivist: have you used a turn groove tool on your machine?
[14:14:44] <PetefromTn_> talk later guys..
[14:14:46] <jdh> my house is 19ft above sea level though
[14:14:58] <jdh> my boat is at 0'.
[14:15:02] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were in NC or something>
[14:15:39] <archivist> zeeshan-laptop, turned grooves yes (made tooling sometimes)
[14:15:47] <PetefromTn_> maybe I will sell my house, my machines, and all my crap and buy a big ol sail boat and live like Don Johnson...
[14:15:56] <zeeshan-laptop> i really wanna know how well the iscar turn groove tools perform
[14:16:05] <zeeshan-laptop> i wish there was a webpage that recommended certain tools
[14:16:11] <_methods> they work great
[14:16:12] <jdh> Pete: .nc.us gets as many or more storms as florida
[14:16:15] <_methods> just expensive
[14:16:23] <PetefromTn_> sure does..
[14:16:24] <zeeshan-laptop> _methods, have you use the blade style i posted?
[14:16:25] <_methods> and when you lose an insert you loose the tool
[14:16:28] <PetefromTn_> often worse actually.
[14:16:34] <_methods> i've used blade ttools too
[14:16:41] <zeeshan-laptop> how do you hold them?
[14:16:42] <jdh> and my house is .3 miles from the water
[14:16:46] <zeeshan-laptop> its frigging 32mm tall
[14:16:48] <PetefromTn_> Personally I think the Bahamas and other idlands kinda shield Florida for the most part.
[14:16:48] <archivist> I use a blade tool a lot
[14:16:52] <_methods> blade partin tool?
[14:16:55] <zeeshan-laptop> no
[14:16:58] <_methods> in a blade holder
[14:17:11] <PetefromTn_> Okay gotta go guys ..
[14:17:22] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.iscar.com/eCatalog/Family.aspx?fnum=43&mapp=TG&app=1&GFSTYP=M
[14:17:24] <zeeshan-laptop> that thing
[14:17:44] <_methods> yeah
[14:17:46] <_methods> what about it?
[14:17:50] <_methods> those are good too
[14:17:51] <archivist> I have the Sandvik similarity
[14:17:53] <zeeshan-laptop> goes in a blade holder?
[14:17:57] <_methods> yeah
[14:18:00] <_methods> goes in blad holder
[14:18:01] <zeeshan-laptop> archivist: what kind of depth of cuts can you do in aluminum
[14:18:10] <zeeshan-laptop> and feed sideways
[14:18:10] <_methods> you won't be turning with that
[14:18:10] <jdh> http://www.mesatool.com/products/threading-tools/
[14:18:14] <zeeshan-laptop> why
[14:18:14] <_methods> that's a parting tool
[14:18:18] <zeeshan-laptop> it says turning
[14:18:19] <jdh> I have one of those, never used it though
[14:18:21] <zeeshan-laptop> and shows it in the images
[14:18:22] <_methods> the insert will rip out with side loading
[14:18:31] <zeeshan-laptop> methods thats what i thought too
[14:18:35] <archivist> put the blade at an angle to turn
[14:18:35] <_methods> sure try it
[14:18:36] <_methods> lol
[14:18:38] <_methods> good luck
[14:18:42] <zeeshan-laptop> but it clearly mentions you can use it for turning
[14:18:45] <zeeshan-laptop> which makes no sense
[14:18:59] <zeeshan-laptop> archivist: it shows the blade 90 degrees
[14:19:01] <zeeshan-laptop> to work piece in the images
[14:19:01] <archivist> the tips I use allow for a small depth turn
[14:19:10] <zeeshan-laptop> ah
[14:19:15] <_methods> i see that but i woudln't do much of a cut with that
[14:19:24] <zeeshan-laptop> i wish it said on this website, what depth you can go with those to turn
[14:19:26] <_methods> yeah you might do some light cleanup with that
[14:19:49] <archivist> I get a very nice finish with mine so often a finish cut then part
[14:20:27] <_methods> it says you can thread iwth it too lol
[14:20:27] <zeeshan-laptop> archivist: pics of tool?
[14:20:29] <archivist> mine is about an inch depth max
[14:20:32] <zeeshan-laptop> _methods lol yea
[14:20:44] <_methods> well i'd talk to an iscar rep
[14:20:47] <zeeshan-laptop> the reason i want some tool like this
[14:20:54] <zeeshan-laptop> is cause i want to be able to do thread reliefs
[14:21:00] <zeeshan-laptop> and turning in 1 tool
[14:21:11] <_methods> yeah that's why everyone uses them lol
[14:21:23] <_methods> well not that but like the good turn/part tools
[14:21:27] <_methods> the solid ones
[14:21:35] <archivist> zeeshan-laptop, http://www.greenwood-tools.co.uk/shopscr23.html
[14:21:45] <_methods> only bad thing about the solid ones is if you wipe an insert you lose and expensive tool holder real quick
[14:21:59] <zeeshan-laptop> archivist: ah
[14:22:27] <zeeshan-laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84P-Gt3djBE
[14:22:30] <zeeshan-laptop> this is exactly what i wnt to do
[14:22:34] <archivist> it is a modded sandvik for smaller lathes
[14:22:34] <zeeshan-laptop> i need that in a16mm shank
[14:22:35] <zeeshan-laptop> help me!
[14:22:36] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[14:23:40] <_methods> yeah you'll want to use a solid holder like that one
[14:23:50] <zeeshan-laptop> the chip breaker on that insert
[14:23:53] <zeeshan-laptop> doesnt seem to be working
[14:24:12] <zeeshan-laptop> ok ill take a look
[14:24:45] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.iscar.com/eCatalog/Family.aspx?fnum=244&mapp=TG&app=1&GFSTYP=M
[14:24:47] <zeeshan-laptop> that looksbetter
[14:24:51] <zeeshan-laptop> at least it has a screw
[14:24:53] <zeeshan-laptop> to hold it down ;p
[14:25:00] <zeeshan-laptop> *clamp
[14:25:06] <_methods> yes
[14:25:11] <_methods> that's the good stuff
[14:26:11] <zeeshan-laptop> the insert is .118" wide
[14:26:22] <zeeshan-laptop> so its pretty practical to do .125" o-ring grooves with it
[14:26:28] <zeeshan-laptop> in the same go
[14:26:29] <_methods> why don't they show the damn tech data for the inserts
[14:26:35] <zeeshan-laptop> _methods exactly
[14:26:39] <zeeshan-laptop> their website is dog shit
[14:26:43] <archivist> iirc there are other tips that fit the blade that could do that
[14:27:01] <_methods> ah you have to click on that grip link
[14:27:10] <archivist> get the databooks
[14:27:27] <_methods> yeah i'm just sayin usually they have link right there to insert data
[14:27:38] <_methods> but the databook is the best way to go
[14:27:39] <archivist> or move to sandvik and download their pdf's
[14:27:45] <_methods> ^^
[14:27:45] <zeeshan-laptop> ill go to sandvik
[14:27:51] <zeeshan-laptop> fak the israels iscar
[14:27:53] <zeeshan-laptop> bastards
[14:27:57] <zeeshan-laptop> with a shitty ass website
[14:27:57] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[14:28:01] <_methods> sandvik is better
[14:28:12] <zeeshan-laptop> sandvik will be easier to source too locally
[14:28:17] <_methods> yeah
[14:28:24] <_methods> iscar is for homeless people
[14:28:28] <archivist> I dont really like the sandvik website that much
[14:28:33] <zeeshan-laptop> what 'brand'
[14:28:35] <zeeshan-laptop> er
[14:28:39] <_methods> their app is the shit
[14:28:42] <zeeshan-laptop> what 'sub brand' should i be looking for
[14:28:47] <_methods> feeds and speeds calculator is win
[14:29:01] <zeeshan-laptop> ill be back , meeting
[14:29:37] <archivist> I got the actual sandvik calculator many years ago, downside is it eats batteries
[14:30:19] <_methods> ah yeah the actual calculator they used to give out
[14:30:23] <_methods> that yellow thing lol
[14:30:52] <_methods> someone stole mine
[14:31:41] <archivist> he needs to see http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-gb/products/t-max_q-cut/pages/default.aspx
[14:32:09] <_methods> yeah that shit he don't need
[14:32:10] <archivist> mine is black with red yellow lines
[14:32:22] <_methods> so far from where he's at
[14:32:47] <_methods> nm i thought you were talkin about the capto holders lol
[14:32:50] <archivist> that blade I have is q-cut
[14:33:08] <archivist> so those are the tips
[14:33:09] <_methods> yeah the qcut in a normal holder
[14:33:12] <_methods> yeah
[14:33:19] <_methods> i just saw the 2 capto holders there on the page
[14:34:12] <_methods> they've pretty much gone exclusively to that qcut now i think
[14:35:41] <_methods> man i need to go to a sandvik demo they've really cahnged their lineup
[14:36:56] <archivist> I just get cheap fleabay sandvik, cant afford the proper prices
[14:37:05] <_methods> it's not cheap
[14:37:54] <Einar1> The Sandvik cutoff tool works very well! But you have to have a rigid and powerful lathe. It should do real cuts at high speeds to fling out the swarf.
[14:38:03] <_methods> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-gb/products/corocut-qd/pages/product-details.aspx#total-offer
[14:38:31] <_methods> coolant through cut off blade
[14:38:42] <_methods> that's pretty damn spiffy
[14:38:46] <CaptHindsight> http://pastebin.com/S2dN6VVg does that note mean to set STEPGEN_MAXACCEL to a few percent higher than the regular acceleration limit MAX_ACCELERATION of that same AXIS or of the trajectory planner?
[14:38:56] <ssi> same axis
[14:39:34] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight, it is just for the stepgen. the tp uses the MAXACCEL parameter
[14:39:43] <skunkworks> of that axis
[14:41:28] <CaptHindsight> ok, so you can have the trajectory planner stepgen settings higher than any of the Axis stepgen settings
[14:41:43] <ssi> trajectory planner doesn't have a stepgen setting
[14:41:46] <ssi> it just has a global maximum
[14:43:10] <CaptHindsight> ok so the TRAJ section just has default and max accelerations settings
[14:43:19] <ssi> yes, and those are global
[14:43:45] <CaptHindsight> each AXIS has MAX_ACCELERATION and STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
[14:44:43] <CaptHindsight> and STEPGEN_MAXACCEL should be set few percent higher than MAX_ACCELERATION
[14:45:40] <CaptHindsight> it's the "regular acceleration limit" that threw me since what is "regular"?
[14:46:46] <CaptHindsight> just semantics, but it matters sometimes
[15:13:35] <_methods> http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20140630-102713-5262
[15:13:41] <_methods> subzero loves noodles
[15:13:56] <_methods> noodle fatality
[15:15:12] <kfoltman> lolbreitbart
[15:15:24] <_methods> haha
[15:17:05] <kfoltman> ssi: remember my toy Python CAM thing?
[15:18:22] <ssi> yes
[15:18:38] <kfoltman> ssi: I was wondering how to implement more complicated operations like pocketing
[15:18:50] <kfoltman> ssi: then I came across this -> http://toblerity.org/shapely/manual.html
[15:19:07] <ssi> handy
[15:19:19] <kfoltman> it might help with implementing gerber to gcode too, if I ever aim that high
[15:20:00] <Tom_itx> eagle has a ULP to do gcode
[15:20:12] <_methods> yeah that's what i use
[15:20:41] <_methods> it does alright for what it is
[15:20:44] <_methods> free
[15:20:45] <_methods> lol
[15:21:51] <kfoltman> correct, but then you still have to use eagle ;)
[15:22:20] <_methods> yeah
[15:22:27] <_methods> what are you using ?
[15:23:20] <kfoltman> kicad
[15:23:35] * kfoltman evades flying tomatoes
[15:23:55] <_methods> hahah
[15:23:58] <_methods> no tomatoes
[15:24:06] <_methods> whatever works for you works
[15:24:38] <mozmck> heh, kicad is certainly getting better - some of the CERN work on it is looking quite good.
[15:25:06] <kfoltman> _methods: I can understand people who hate it, for me it's just quicker to use
[15:25:10] <kfoltman> + no size restrictions
[15:25:45] <_methods> bah i've used both and they are about the same to me
[15:25:56] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU
[15:25:59] <kfoltman> in terms of features, eagle is much better
[15:26:01] <_methods> diff buttons in diff places
[15:26:09] <_methods> but they do the same thing
[15:26:57] <kfoltman> but in kicad I can get to most used features without much thinking, which is nice
[15:27:22] <kfoltman> I like single-keypress operation
[15:27:23] * JT-Shop feels like carp today
[15:27:25] <LeelooMinai> I look at them both and imho DipTrace has much better usability
[15:27:34] <LeelooMinai> looked*
[15:27:35] <ssi> JT-Shop: better stay away from fishermens
[15:28:16] <LeelooMinai> Or New Year in Europe
[15:32:32] <_methods> it's like autocad/draftsight/librecad
[15:32:43] <_methods> some are just nicer than others
[15:32:56] <_methods> friendlier
[15:54:49] <kfoltman> LeelooMinai: or Xmas Eve in Poland
[15:59:29] <LeelooMinai> indeed
[16:24:08] <kfoltman> _methods: draftsight is quite good, I'd say, but never tried the other two
[16:24:37] <_methods> well i was just using that as an example
[16:25:03] <_methods> solidworks vs inventor
[16:25:09] <_methods> kicad vs eagle
[16:25:25] <kfoltman> yes, different tradeoffs suit different people
[16:26:09] <_methods> exactly
[16:28:10] <Connor> jdh: You around ?
[16:34:32] <Deejay> gn8
[16:44:21] <zeeshan|2> archivist: that t-max q-cut doesnt look like its rated for "turning"
[17:54:46] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/ZyUAAOSwDk5TrvYV/$_20.JPG
[17:54:47] <zeeshan|2> whats this
[18:20:02] <JT-Shop> ssi, you around?
[18:47:42] <jdh> connor: what's up?
[19:20:27] <Connor> jdh: Did you use ballscrew on your Z ? If so, what's your backlash on it ?
[19:23:49] <jdh> I think I have the compensation set to one thou
[19:24:13] <jdh> I would have thought it would be asymmetrical, but it isn't
[19:25:31] <zeeshan|2> how are u getting 1 thou!
[19:25:32] <zeeshan|2> :P
[19:26:06] <jdh> could be measurement error
[19:26:15] <zeeshan|2> ebay screws?
[19:26:25] <jdh> lmb20008
[19:26:30] <zeeshan|2> i get 3.5 thou
[19:26:36] <jdh> not off ebay, but same d00d
[19:26:36] <zeeshan|2> on Z
[19:26:48] <zeeshan|2> using compensation for it
[19:26:49] <jdh> did check your nuts?
[19:26:51] <zeeshan|2> seems to work really good
[19:26:51] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:27:03] <zeeshan|2> i checked the bearing spacing
[19:27:14] <jdh> I can't get to that box at the moment
[19:27:17] <zeeshan|2> and the nut
[19:27:30] <zeeshan|2> by nut ure talking about the nut that holds the screw
[19:27:35] <zeeshan|2> on the fixed end?
[19:27:55] <jdh> no, the ballnut
[19:27:58] <zeeshan|2> oh
[19:28:08] <jdh> not all of mine came with enough balls
[19:28:15] <zeeshan|2> yes they were both disassembled
[19:28:22] <zeeshan|2> it was like 17 balls in the 16mm
[19:28:32] <zeeshan|2> and like 25 or 26 in the 25mm
[19:28:38] <zeeshan|2> per circuit
[19:28:53] <jdh> this is the Z on my mill
[19:28:59] <jdh> never checked lash on the lathe
[19:29:09] <zeeshan|2> o
[19:29:15] <zeeshan|2> screws should be same
[19:29:15] <jdh> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/tls/4546383215.html
[19:29:30] <jdh> yeah but on the mill there is a lot of weight pushing down.
[19:29:33] <zeeshan|2> ohh
[19:29:44] <zeeshan|2> jdh yoiur lathe is better
[19:29:46] <zeeshan|2> dont buy that pos
[19:29:51] <jdh> I'm not.
[19:29:55] <jdh> my lathe is a PoS
[19:30:04] <jdh> I knew that when I bought it though.
[19:30:19] <jdh> a 9x20 is pretty much a 7x just a little bigger
[19:30:55] <zeeshan|2> your lathe is perfect
[19:30:58] <zeeshan|2> for 99% of the jobs out there
[19:31:09] <zeeshan|2> its not like you'll be turning rifles
[19:31:11] <zeeshan|2> or are you? :P
[19:31:21] <jdh> it would be if the X could be done.
[19:31:29] <jdh> nope, I just buy rifles
[19:31:32] <zeeshan|2> you're almost there
[19:31:55] <jdh> nope. I can't put holes in it for that craptastic design
[19:32:07] <zeeshan|2> mines pretty shitty
[19:32:10] <zeeshan|2> it hangs out so much lol
[19:32:24] <jdh> sticking out would be fine.
[19:32:34] <jdh> in front or behind isn't
[19:32:57] <zeeshan|2> yea in front it interferes with chuck
[19:33:05] <zeeshan|2> and in rear it means extending tailstock more
[19:38:03] <zeeshan|2> man
[19:38:06] <jdh> I can put thsi one back together and sell it for more than I paid
[19:38:08] <zeeshan|2> is g76 not a standard g code
[19:38:20] <zeeshan|2> jdh, what will you get instead of it
[19:38:37] <zeeshan|2> what are you realistically going to be making on it?
[19:38:55] <jdh> probably a 10x or 12x. or just a g0602
[19:39:11] <jdh> I will probably make a thread on a rod.
[19:39:16] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:39:26] <zeeshan|2> one guy who made me respect smaller lathes
[19:39:27] <zeeshan|2> is
[19:39:27] <jdh> then lose interest.
[19:39:34] <zeeshan|2> 'doubleboost' on youtube
[19:39:42] <zeeshan|2> i think his lathe is 7" er
[19:39:58] <zeeshan|2> and he makes so many different things on it
[19:39:58] <jdh> it's not the smallness. it is the 9x specifically
[19:40:12] <zeeshan|2> whats wrong with 9x
[19:40:34] <jdh> it is flimsy.
[19:40:44] <zeeshan|2> did you run it manually?
[19:40:50] <jdh> not really.
[19:40:56] <jdh> criagslist
[19:40:59] <zeeshan|2> then you're basing it off other people's opinion :P
[19:41:14] <zeeshan|2> flimsy just means you gotta not do .25" doc in aluminum
[19:41:19] <zeeshan|2> you can prolly do .125"
[19:41:29] <jdh> heh, I tried cleaning up some brass
[19:41:39] <jdh> it wasn't pretty
[19:41:44] <zeeshan|2> were you manually feeding?
[19:41:56] <jdh> tool + toolpost deflects
[19:41:57] <zeeshan|2> its pretty hard to get a nice finish
[19:42:03] <zeeshan|2> w/ manual feed
[19:42:15] <zeeshan|2> okay to give you an idea
[19:42:16] <jdh> it wasn't the finish, it ws the pushing away then catching
[19:42:19] <zeeshan|2> when i pull with approximately 100lb
[19:42:23] <zeeshan|2> my tool post deflects 2 thou
[19:42:31] <zeeshan|2> in both x and Z direction
[19:42:38] <zeeshan|2> (direction of pull + measurement)
[19:42:55] <zeeshan|2> also, if im machining say aluminum 1/2"
[19:43:05] <zeeshan|2> the whole work piece will deflect away from the tool
[19:43:13] <jdh> my 7x feels more rigid
[19:43:17] <zeeshan|2> cause the part doesnt have the natural rigidity
[19:43:30] <zeeshan|2> how much does the 9x weigh
[19:43:38] <zeeshan|2> if its more than 500lb
[19:43:45] <jdh> I can pick itup
[19:43:45] <zeeshan|2> its rigid enough :P
[19:43:52] <zeeshan|2> okay
[19:43:53] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:43:55] <zeeshan|2> that's not rigid enough then
[19:44:05] <zeeshan|2> unless youre superman
[19:44:15] <zeeshan|2> in which case you wouldnt even need a lathe to machine
[19:44:18] <jdh> nope.
[19:44:19] <zeeshan|2> you could machine with your hands
[19:45:04] <zeeshan|2> put it back together ands ell it :P
[19:47:02] <jdh> http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac80/yosefi83/9x20%20Conversion%20Photos/LinearSlides.jpg
[19:47:55] <zeeshan|2> ...
[19:47:57] <zeeshan|2> thats HARDCORE
[19:48:04] <zeeshan|2> that's an excellent idea
[19:48:56] <zeeshan|2> maybe i should do that
[19:49:00] <zeeshan|2> and get rid of the overhanging ball screw
[19:49:43] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/nw7kPgh.jpg
[19:50:00] <zeeshan|2> i could make a spacer block
[19:50:14] <zeeshan|2> that raise the whole assembly
[19:50:30] <zeeshan|2> but it still doesnt help the fact that
[19:50:38] <zeeshan|2> the cross-rib hole
[19:50:39] <zeeshan|2> is in the way
[19:53:40] <jdh> http://www.thompsonmachine.net/img/9x20/9x20kit2.jpg
[19:54:33] <zeeshan|2> hmm
[19:54:37] <zeeshan|2> that actually doesnt look too bad.
[19:54:52] <zeeshan|2> it will definitely interfere and limit the capacity
[19:54:56] <zeeshan|2> of parts when using a 4 j aw
[19:55:39] <zeeshan|2> why do ball nuts need t obe so huge :{
[19:56:09] <jdh> if I could hang mine out the back, I'd be reasonably happy.
[19:56:44] <zeeshan|2> how much extra would you have to extend your tail stock
[19:56:46] <zeeshan|2> 1"?
[19:57:06] <jdh> 1.5 maybe
[19:57:25] <jdh> depending on which way you orient the flange on the nut
[19:57:42] <zeeshan|2> i'd just turn it down flat
[19:57:43] <zeeshan|2> on both sides
[19:57:45] <zeeshan|2> and use 2 bolts only
[19:59:11] <jdh> I'd grind it down, them embed it in MDF
[19:59:16] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:34:51] <Connor> jdh: Going to be ordering my ball screws. Double nuts. Debating on double nut for the Z or not. Hoss didn't do it yet.. not sure how long of a screw I would need.
[20:35:07] <Connor> might want to get it a tad longer just in case...
[20:35:36] <Connor> I don't plan on changing the Z saddle around and extending the Z height...
[20:36:13] <jdh> won't double nuts kill the Y?
[20:36:26] <Connor> No.
[20:36:58] <Connor> You just mill out a bit more on the front of the base.
[20:37:12] <Connor> I should be able to get 9" of travel.
[20:38:56] <jdh> my Z ballnut mount is still Delrin
[20:39:37] <Connor> Which way does the Flange face on the Y? Front or back ?
[20:39:59] <jdh> teh opposite of the way it comes
[20:40:17] <jdh> so, on the back
[20:40:32] <Connor> So flange AWAY from the milled end on the screw ...
[20:40:37] <jdh> yeah
[20:40:53] <jdh> you have to take it off anyway.
[20:41:02] <jdh> maybe not if you put it in from the bottom
[20:41:14] <Connor> I'll ask them to flip it the other way.. I don't want to dick around with trying to put it in.
[20:41:26] <Connor> What if there is a hole in the back of the mill ?
[20:41:29] <Connor> for clearance ?
[20:41:47] <jdh> to what end?
[20:42:22] <jdh> oh. maybe if it was big enough to angle the screw in
[20:42:41] <jdh> thought about rear-mount belt drive?
[20:42:46] <Connor> Well.. you mill out 1.25" front and back of the base.
[20:42:51] <jdh> that would look a lot cleaner
[20:43:12] <Connor> No room if I do the 2" Extension.
[20:43:14] <jdh> I turned down a woodend dowel to fit the nut and it was pretty easy.
[20:43:48] <Connor> I've had BAD luck with trying to get ball nuts back on the screws.
[20:44:14] <jdh> I ended up taking all 3 of mine off.
[20:44:22] <Connor> Really?
[20:44:33] <jdh> but I reloaded the other two on the screw
[20:45:13] <jdh> I dumped all the balls. The Z was short. teh one I ground melted the plastic a little so I took it apart to clean it up.
[20:46:21] <Connor> Ahh. The Y spacer on the front.. Is the mounting screws in line with the ball screw hole.. or about a 1/8" lower ?
[20:47:04] <jdh> I don't recall.
[20:47:50] <jdh> I think I might be missing a little Y travel from not grinding out the webbing
[20:48:52] <zeeshan|2> hmm
[20:48:54] <zeeshan|2> this is interesting
[20:49:00] <zeeshan|2> you can vary the pitch using this cam software
[20:49:10] <zeeshan|2> ie have it 1mm in some spots and 2mm in some spots
[20:49:14] <zeeshan|2> that'd trip someone out that's for sure
[21:14:46] <zeeshan|2> dfamn you NX
[21:14:49] <zeeshan|2> output n76
[21:14:49] <XXCoder> fuck
[21:14:50] <zeeshan|2> not g33!
[21:14:52] <zeeshan|2> G76
[21:14:56] <XXCoder> my car is damn close to dead :(
[21:15:04] <XXCoder> Im not ready yet to buy another
[21:15:12] <zeeshan|2> whats wrong with it
[21:15:30] <XXCoder> dunno but it runs rough now and burning oil as well as water now
[21:15:40] <zeeshan|2> head gasket blown?
[21:15:44] <XXCoder> likely
[21:15:55] <XXCoder> water is draining slowly with no output]
[21:16:24] <ssi> oh man
[21:16:31] <zeeshan|2> wow
[21:16:38] <zeeshan|2> this thing is only recommending 0.0015 depth of cut
[21:16:39] <zeeshan|2> for a thread
[21:16:47] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: that sux
[21:16:57] <ssi> zeeshan|2: yes... the tool cuts on the whole flank so you can't cut real deep per pass
[21:17:07] <XXCoder> yeah but in least got enough money to buy another car, but I needed in least 600 more for decent one
[21:17:11] <zeeshan|2> ssi makes no sense though dude
[21:17:19] <zeeshan|2> it should be taking deeper passes in the first 2-3 passes
[21:17:22] <zeeshan|2> and then going gradually slower
[21:17:26] <zeeshan|2> like g76 rdoes
[21:17:37] <zeeshan|2> slower = lower depth of cut
[21:17:55] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: recycle your car
[21:18:03] <zeeshan|2> you'll get $
[21:18:04] <zeeshan|2> :D
[21:18:13] <zeeshan|2> i got 500 bux for a old ass rusted to shit beater
[21:18:22] <zeeshan|2> with 5 bags of garbage
[21:18:23] <zeeshan|2> blown engine
[21:18:28] <zeeshan|2> and no wheels
[21:18:35] <zeeshan|2> :)
[21:18:49] <XXCoder> sounds good. so when will I get $500. you can keep your shit car though
[21:19:44] <zeeshan|2> ?
[21:19:54] <XXCoder> oh read again
[21:20:02] <XXCoder> lol you managed to sell it??
[21:20:08] <zeeshan|2> i didnt sell it
[21:20:13] <zeeshan|2> the recyclers came to my house and picked it up
[21:20:14] <zeeshan|2> and gave me money
[21:20:27] <zeeshan|2> call some local auto recyclers/junk yard
[21:20:31] <zeeshan|2> and tell em your car year and model
[21:20:38] <zeeshan|2> and how much they'll give you to recycle
[21:20:59] <zeeshan|2> my friend got 1200 bux for his car
[21:21:04] <zeeshan|2> but some of his parts were useable
[21:21:14] <zeeshan|2> they give you cash on the spot
[21:22:10] <XXCoder> interesting
[21:31:51] <CaptHindsight> engine cores $200, trans cores $100, start adding up all the parts that re-manufactured auto part supplier buy most junk cars are worth hundreds
[21:33:52] <XXCoder> I gonna check into it
[21:34:13] <CaptHindsight> ac compressors, power steering pumps and boxes, alternators, lots of calipers, it adds up quick
[21:37:14] <XXCoder> indeed
[21:39:02] <Tecan> expect -c 'spawn su weby firefox;expect "Password: ";send "password\r";interact'
[21:53:03] <tjtr33> heh expect, i use zenity for quicky gui
[21:58:59] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: how did the weekend go?
[21:59:30] <tjtr33> very interesting , pm
[22:39:54] <tjtr33> gedit can search for regex like "\n<" for the beginning of a newline, starting with an html markup
[22:40:14] <tjtr33> did not know that, makes old gedit much more less lame
[22:41:15] <skunkworks_> tjtr33: good to see you there...
[22:41:34] <tjtr33> hey there, hi to your dad too
[22:42:04] <skunkworks_> how did sunday go?
[22:42:12] <tjtr33> sunday was a grab bag, i got there late, but saw people with armfulls of drives, vfds, spindles.
[22:42:45] <tjtr33> sunday was Michel's presentation of HalTalk, way cool ( sci-fi for linuxcnc )
[22:42:51] <skunkworks_> heh - well crap ;)
[22:43:19] <tjtr33> then a video presentation from Alex on QTvcp ( you can find ppt's pdf's and video logs somewhere
[22:43:36] <skunkworks_> sure
[22:43:52] <tjtr33> then more food, THX To Mr Tormach wherever you are
[22:44:43] <tjtr33> sat nite was at Sector 67, very interesting stuff, but i never saw any edm there ( why i went)
[22:45:14] <tjtr33> they were doing electric cars, custom bicycles, routing, 3d printing on large scale ( full size humanoid)
[22:45:19] <skunkworks_> is sector 67 madisons hacker space?
[22:45:22] <tjtr33> and lotsa really fun stuff
[22:45:28] <tjtr33> yep
[22:45:30] <skunkworks_> ah
[22:45:41] <skunkworks_> neat
[22:46:10] <tjtr33> guys were theres from PS1 in chicago and uh the guys down on Rt88, like Glen Ellyn (both Chicago area hackerspaces)
[22:46:36] <tjtr33> reminds me of the pay for auto shops of the 80's ( all gone now )
[22:46:55] <XXCoder> suport this. :) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh/
[22:47:39] <skunkworks_> heh - I don't know if they had any around here
[22:48:11] <tjtr33> i supported OLPC, bought and gave 'em away. is that the guy with the cool shades from startrek? didnt he do kids reading stuff?
[22:48:23] <XXCoder> the amount is constantly rolling but I want it to reach 5 million
[22:48:29] <XXCoder> tjtr33: he did it yes
[22:48:32] <tjtr33> skunkworks_, YOIU are the place :)
[22:48:33] <XXCoder> he wanna do it again
[22:48:50] <XXCoder> he WILL now, but more funding the longer it runs
[22:49:24] <XXCoder> and yes he had cool shades in star trek lol. you can actually get to wear it briefly if you pay $10,000 I think
[22:49:28] <tjtr33> XXCoder, oh i get it, besta luck to him, good cause and a job that he'd do well
[22:49:50] <XXCoder> expensive options you get to meet some star trek actors
[22:50:25] <XXCoder> LOL someone bought the wear la forge visor option already
[22:51:41] <XXCoder> most of private dinner ones is gone too
[22:51:53] <XXCoder> damn but its super successful. he'll be busy though lol
[23:21:16] <Valen> XXCoder: http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6702776/star-trek-unforeseen-consequences seems relevant, though perhaps nsfw
[23:21:46] <XXCoder> LOL
[23:21:59] <XXCoder> tng showed actual output so its not like that
[23:22:08] <XXCoder> hella funny though
[23:26:51] <XXCoder> damn
[23:26:58] <XXCoder> pledge increased by 10,000
[23:27:03] <XXCoder> so far