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[00:00:04] <LeelooMinai> Man, this doesn't sound very inspiring... Do they have stable realeases or something?
[00:01:08] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: math support in kernel kconfig has changed and no options seem to work with Linuxcnc
[00:01:53] <XXCoder1> time for linuxcncOS fork
[00:01:54] <XXCoder1> ?
[00:02:08] <LeelooMinai> Cannot linuxcnc be, hmm, updated?
[00:02:37] <CaptHindsight> so we are waiting for Paolo to fix the scheduler
[00:02:41] <CaptHindsight> One workaround for the broken scheduler is with isocpu= you need to leave the last cpu core out of the list. For example isolcpus=1,2,3 for a 4 core and it should work or a single core cpu should work fine.
[00:03:53] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: Linuxcnc needs to fix /proc in order for any 3.10 or newer RTAI kernels to work
[00:04:47] <LeelooMinai> Id linuxcnc semi-abandoned project?
[00:04:50] <LeelooMinai> Is*
[00:05:48] <CaptHindsight> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ubc3-7i80 is the repo used that works with preempt_rt and xenomai
[00:06:15] <XXCoder1> night, and heres my parking link
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10341635_723693184361904_8298621046749726233_n.png
[00:06:54] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: Linuxcnc works fine as is for most people, development is active and ongoing
[00:08:12] <LeelooMinai> It seems it works fine only if you use pre-made ISO from long time ago.
[00:08:29] <LeelooMinai> NOt if you want to add it to modern pc/os
[00:08:39] <CaptHindsight> people are using the 3.4.55 RTAI and the above repo with debian wheezy
[00:08:49] <CaptHindsight> also with 12.04
[00:09:35] <LeelooMinai> I cannot install Intel drivers on 12.04 - it's not longer supported
[00:09:54] <LeelooMinai> Also, I think only 32-bit one is supported
[00:10:10] <CaptHindsight> preempt_rt + 14.04 + the above repo should work
[00:10:37] <LeelooMinai> I read somewheree that linuxcnc is only supporting RTAI
[00:10:55] <LeelooMinai> Isn't preempt completely differnt implementation?
[00:11:31] <CaptHindsight> there was development to support xenomai and preempt_rt and that is what that repo has support for, all 3 real time kernels
[00:11:48] <CaptHindsight> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ubc3-7i80
[00:12:29] <CaptHindsight> the changes from that branch should make it into a Linuxcnc release in the next few months
[00:15:02] <CaptHindsight> it's a bit of a challenge when there is only a few active RTAI devs
[00:15:37] <LeelooMinai> Isn't RTAI a big thing much larger in scope than linuxcnc?
[00:16:09] <CaptHindsight> most people don't care for the lunacy of Ubuntu anymore so there's not much interest in 14,04
[00:16:49] <CaptHindsight> yes, RTAI is bigger than Linuxcnc but most of the recent work was only by 3 people
[00:16:52] <LeelooMinai> Normal users probably not, but there are many situations when someone needs real time os to control some hardware
[00:18:05] <LeelooMinai> O, lunacy... lol... I read latency:)
[00:18:53] <LeelooMinai> Well, I was considering Debian wheezy this morning... but was not sure if I would progress faster there.
[00:20:02] <CaptHindsight> a few people are running it just fine with 3.4.55 RTAI and master or the ubc3-7i80 branch and preempt_rt
[00:20:22] <LeelooMinai> 64 bit version?
[00:20:49] <CaptHindsight> 32
[00:21:46] <CaptHindsight> can you use the ubc3-7i80 branch and preempt_rt for your board?
[00:22:13] <LeelooMinai> Hmm... what about those old 10.04 .isos? DO they use RTAI?
[00:23:35] <LeelooMinai> CaptHindsight: I don't know - I guess tomorrow and next days I will try to get something running.
[00:24:17] <LeelooMinai> It's all pretty confusing I must say - and I used to be a programmer
[00:24:40] <LeelooMinai> All those versions of everything that work only in some obscure combinations
[00:27:38] <CaptHindsight> most people are using older hardware and the older 10.04 works fine for them
[00:27:58] <CaptHindsight> RTAI doesn't have a lot of devs
[00:28:51] <CaptHindsight> for the past year the new development goes on at
https://github.com/ShabbyX/RTAI/
[00:29:20] <CaptHindsight> after it works there pablo takes it and reworks it into the repo at RTAI.org
[00:30:46] <CaptHindsight> then NTULINUX and ShabbyX take the RTAI.org and rework it at
https://github.com/ShabbyX/RTAI/ later, rinse , repeat....
[00:32:46] <CaptHindsight> the ubc3-7i80 is new work based on the older mah branch that added support for xenomai and preempt_rt
[00:33:34] <LeelooMinai> Are those two more lively than RTAI?
[00:33:48] <CaptHindsight> so in the next few months hopefully linuxcnc will have an official release with support for RTAI, xenomai and preempt_rt
[00:35:06] <CaptHindsight> yes, but now it's stalled waiting for the scheduler fix
[00:37:14] <LeelooMinai> Do you have some opinion which of those RT solutions is best?
[00:38:20] <CaptHindsight> what hardware are you going to use?
[00:39:06] <CaptHindsight> will you be using any software stepping?
[00:39:49] <LeelooMinai> I have Asus MB with parallelport (but pretty modern one) with Haswell Celeron for now. BUt I plan to buy one of those Mesa fpga boards - 5i25 I believe - the one with spartan 6, and use those instead of the parallelport for my cnc machine.
[00:40:14] <CaptHindsight> if you are using servos or hardware stepping then I'd recommend just using preemp_rt
[00:40:47] <LeelooMinai> "just"? Is it simpler than RTAI and that other one?
[00:40:54] <CaptHindsight> yes
[00:42:02] <LeelooMinai> ok, thx for that info - going to sleep now, and will do more research tomorrow
[00:42:17] <CaptHindsight> https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RT_PREEMPT_HOWTO
[00:42:32] <CaptHindsight> just a kernel patch
[00:42:57] <LeelooMinai> Ok, probably will try that tomorrow and see how it goes
[02:05:52] <Deejay> moin
[08:51:52] <Loetmichel> hrhr, just have the CNC mill from the co-worker here to fix it. that beast does F18000 G0 ;-) frightening ... ->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYgyqjHCBLg
[08:53:24] <skunkworks_> Loetmichel, heh
[08:53:31] <skunkworks_> I had a very similar machine
[08:55:22] <skunkworks_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKZYj51Exn0
[08:57:52] <skunkworks_> I plundered the bits and was going to make this
[08:57:53] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/pcbmill/mockup2.JPG
[08:57:58] <skunkworks_> but never finished it.
[08:59:35] <Loetmichel> i used the original string drive
[08:59:44] <Loetmichel> it is frightening how fast it goes
[09:00:17] <skunkworks_> I remember it being very course.. like .007" per step
[09:00:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10465
[09:00:56] <skunkworks_> it is quite the mechenism... no special kins required..
[09:01:05] <Loetmichel> thats what microstepping is for ;-)
[09:01:29] <skunkworks_> heh
[09:01:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10528 thats the z-axis i build for it
[09:02:23] <skunkworks_> cool - the z drive that is on mine is a spring loaded rack and pinion
[09:02:59] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10549
[09:03:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10546
[09:03:34] <skunkworks_> neat!
[09:03:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10534&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[09:03:48] <Loetmichel> :-)
[09:04:51] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/pcbmill/cablegantry.JPG
[09:07:26] <Loetmichel> yeah, i trashed the dead electronics and used a of the shelf 3 channel driver fpor it
[09:07:37] <Loetmichel> and a 32BV 2A smps
[09:07:43] <Loetmichel> -B
[09:08:25] <skunkworks_> my plan was..
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/pcbmill/bldcenc2.jpg
[09:09:46] <archivist> not seen the final result of JMKs pcb mill either
[09:11:09] <skunkworks_> heh
[11:14:32] <ssi> CPC connector should be here today; then I can rewire the machine interface on the plasma cutter
[11:14:55] <ssi> need to make a new torch mount and finish up the endstop trip blocks
[11:37:35] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:37:48] <IchGuckLive> ssi: hypertherm cpc ?
[12:01:09] <jthornton> LOL a google search for a gtk question sent me to my own web site for the answer
[12:12:40] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:13:01] <IchGuckLive> if you are the best it is not easy to find good answers
[12:13:28] <zeeshan|3> jthornton: haha
[12:18:34] <zeeshan|3> my friends tools are funny
[12:18:53] <zeeshan|3> so he had an allen key bolt we had to hold to be able to stop a shaft from turning and be able to remove a nut from it
[12:19:02] <zeeshan|3> well his allen key itself 6mm sheared
[12:19:03] <zeeshan|3> completely
[12:19:31] <zeeshan|3> when i say sheared, i mean the HEX turned into a round face
[12:19:32] <zeeshan|3> lol
[12:19:55] <zeeshan|3> whoever made this made this out of mild steel :p
[12:25:33] <kfoltman> how does one go about milling HDF?
[12:26:05] <IchGuckLive> on high RPM
[12:27:34] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|3: the cheapo HF keys do this all the time, they are more like break-away max torque setting keys since they tend shear off or round
[12:27:43] <zeeshan|3> lol
[12:28:03] <zeeshan|3> i mean fuck allen keys from a made in usa supplier are so cheap
[12:28:06] <zeeshan|3> why buy hf non sense :P
[12:29:23] <CaptHindsight> it's a safety feature :)
[12:29:27] <zeeshan|3> hahah
[12:30:51] <CaptHindsight> a cheap 3/8" socket extension made it into one of my tool boxes, when I torqued it once to >40ft lbs it twisted ~90 deg
[12:31:00] <zeeshan|3> ROFL
[12:31:16] <CaptHindsight> no brand name on it
[12:31:16] <zeeshan|3> im trying to determine the wire size for my 2 power supplies since i'm about to put them in permanently
[12:31:31] <zeeshan|3> 60W and 1300W so total of 1360W
[12:31:48] <zeeshan|3> so worse comes to worse, the voltage my drop to 110VAC
[12:31:51] <CaptHindsight> what voltage?
[12:32:01] <zeeshan|3> so 12.36A
[12:32:08] <CaptHindsight> (to determine current)
[12:32:13] <zeeshan|3> i'm thinking i can get away with a 16 gauge
[12:32:16] <zeeshan|3> its rated for 13A
[12:32:26] <zeeshan|3> (for house purposes|)
[12:32:30] <zeeshan|3> but in reality, it'll handle more.
[12:32:41] <zeeshan|3> and its only a 4 foot run
[12:33:40] <CaptHindsight> monster cable #000 should do it :)
[12:33:40] <zeeshan|3> yea a 90C conductor is rated in reality for 18amps
[12:34:07] <zeeshan|3> i just need to check how much my computer draws
[12:34:14] <zeeshan|3> actually it doesnt matter
[12:34:23] <zeeshan|3> it's on 2 seperate 15 A breakers
[12:34:54] <archivist> make sure it is oxygen free for hifi /me ducks
[12:35:03] <zeeshan|3> archivist: troll
[12:35:18] <zeeshan|3> archivist: i might come to england over the winter
[12:35:30] <zeeshan|3> we are meeting. :P
[12:35:33] <pcw_home> must be mined from the south side of the hill...
[12:35:33] <zeeshan|3> and i am stealing some levels
[12:35:50] * archivist moves
[12:40:57] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|3: down in uhmerica #14 copper are the minimum to meet code for branches in a raceway
[12:42:57] <ssi> IchGuckLive: yes, hypertherm machine interface cpc
[12:44:23] <ssi> CaptHindsight: yeah remember those current ratings for house wiring are based on some number of feet, and it's probably usually in the hundreds :)
[12:44:26] <IchGuckLive> ssi: tyco coc connectors
[12:44:47] <IchGuckLive> http://www.reichelt.de/CPC-Serie/2/index.html?&ACTION=2&LA=3&GROUPID=3269
[12:45:02] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I have them ordered already, they're on the truck for delivery :)
[12:45:12] <ssi> CaptHindsight:
http://www.eventhorizonsolar.com/images/Wiresz-solar-power.gif
[12:45:35] <ssi> CaptHindsight: 14 gauge rated for 15 amps over 75'... I think 16ga will likely be ok
[12:47:19] <IchGuckLive> ssi: do you use the 50:1 THC mode
[12:47:42] <IchGuckLive> with eagle plasma thc
[12:47:54] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I have a candcnc LC-THC
[12:48:02] <ssi> and I can't remember offhand if it's using the 50:1 or taking direct arc
[12:48:06] <ssi> I tihnk it might be taking direct arc
[12:48:17] <CaptHindsight> ssi: if it's between a load center and a receptacle it has to follow code, if it's in his control cabinet it's up to him
[12:49:00] <ssi> code is boring :)
[12:49:35] <CaptHindsight> ssi: code tends to follow lots of tradition with some science behind it
[12:50:04] <ssi> heheh
[12:51:20] <ssi> IchGuckLive: yeah I'm looking at the lcthc manual and there's a sensor board that I'm pretty sure is inside my power supply, and it's got a high voltage sensor
[12:52:23] <CaptHindsight> we had to use all sorts of odd formulas for wire sizing, and sizing could changed based n the type of load, (resistive, inductive, data center) and even the type of location (home, health care center, factory)
[12:52:35] <ssi> that's unfortunate.... that means I won't be able to wire everything via the CPC :(
[12:53:04] <IchGuckLive> i got only good results on direct moving at >5m/min below the 50:1 given mutch better movement
[12:53:19] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I didn't parse that at all :)
[12:53:51] <IchGuckLive> it maybe smoothes the Volt calculation more efficant
[12:55:22] <CaptHindsight> the number of current carrying conductors in the same raceway also throws people, or why the neutral in a 3-phase circuit has to be 1 wire size larger than the other conductors in a data center
[12:55:57] <CaptHindsight> 3-phase wye, not delta
[12:59:46] <ssi> I wonder how hard it would be to abandon the LC-THC and do a custom thc within linuxcnc
[13:00:05] <ssi> I'd need an analog in
[13:00:18] <IchGuckLive> pcew board
[13:00:45] <IchGuckLive> this gives you all te values
[13:01:02] <IchGuckLive> and then caculate all inside linuxcnc thc comp
[13:01:18] <ssi> oh right, the mesa thcad
[13:01:32] <IchGuckLive> otherwise 3 more in and one out is needed
[13:01:43] <IchGuckLive> and 200USD
[13:02:06] <IchGuckLive> i got the polen THC in use
[13:03:32] <ssi> the one thing I don't like about the lcthc is that the voltage parameter is controlled on its own little controller
[13:03:38] <ssi> meaning I can't change it in g code
[13:03:41] <IchGuckLive> i also hacked in a plasma ready to fire as i use Arc-ok signal to detect arc has firered
[13:03:46] <ssi> I have to remember to dial it if I change thicknesses
[13:05:22] <pcw_home> Theoretically you can do a little better with a A-D and linuxcnc in the case linuxcnc controls the motion
[13:05:24] <pcw_home> (since you can use a proportional control and not just go-up, go-down)
[13:05:42] <ssi> pcw_home: yeah... it seems like that would afford me a fair bit of flexibility
[13:06:08] <ssi> pcw_home: so the 10v model with my hypertherm's 50:1 output (7v max according to manual) would be the way to go, yeah?
[13:06:11] <pcw_home> unfortunately the current THC hal component doesn't do this
[13:06:42] <ssi> that's ok, software is flexible :D
[13:07:23] <ssi> I wonder if I should get a 7i76 at the same time and put it in between my 5i25 and gecko, so I have better IO options
[13:07:53] <ssi> I'll lose the simplicity of the one-cable wiring, but probably a worthwhile tradeoff
[13:08:33] <pcw_home> probably too much I/O, I would just get a simple BOB for the second connector
[13:08:52] <ssi> right now I just have all my limit switches wired directly to the second connector
[13:09:11] <ssi> not using a protected bob or anything
[13:09:18] <mozmck> lcthc sounds familiar :)
[13:09:54] <IchGuckLive> use Nc and then all switches are at one pin
[13:10:12] <IchGuckLive> 24V
[13:10:36] <IchGuckLive> i got 11 switches in row
[13:11:13] <IchGuckLive> oh sowwy no the homing is not includet
[13:11:25] <ssi> IchGuckLive: that's how I had it before, but I needed ONE more input because I have to home both gantry joints simultaneously
[13:11:29] <ssi> which I still haven't finished yet :)
[13:11:55] <ssi> so I went ahead and wired them all to independent inputs, since once I added the second port I had plenty to spare
[13:11:58] <Connor> I want to replace my parport card with a 5i25.. I have a el-cheap-o C10 Bi Directional from cnc4pc.com
[13:12:01] <ssi> my X axis max and min limits are a shared pin
[13:12:04] <IchGuckLive> it works here i simply hacked the trivkinetiks
[13:12:14] <Connor> the PC and BOB in the same case, so I use the internal connector..
[13:12:24] <ssi> Connor: 5i25 is a great product
[13:13:25] <mozmck> The newest CandCNC THC does proportional control. If I can knock some other projects out we plan to support it on Linuxcnc this year.
[13:13:33] <Connor> Yea.. so.. I could get the 7i76.. I have 3 axis, charge-pump, a PWM-to-0-10v card for the Spindle, and a encoder coming in from the spindle.
[13:13:45] <Connor> the 7i76 would handle ALL of that, and give me the added IO I need.
[13:13:48] <ssi> Connor: yep
[13:14:08] <ssi> mozmck: who's 'we'?
[13:14:23] <Connor> I would use the 2nd connector on the 5i25.
[13:14:29] <Connor> so it would stay internal.
[13:14:59] <mozmck> ssi: me! I work for candcnc - mostly writing the firmware/software now.
[13:15:07] <ssi> ahh
[13:15:14] <ssi> I have an old lc
[13:15:14] <Connor> I could get the 5i25 and use it with the existing BOB for a while.
[13:15:28] <ssi> probably four years old?
[13:16:20] <ssi> like I said, it's worked fine for me, but I'd prefer to be able to use the 50:1 output of my power supply, and I'd prefer to be able to set arc voltage in linuxcnc instead of having to remember to dial it
[13:16:36] <IchGuckLive> im off bye
[13:16:39] <mozmck> Yes, we did that a while back now. The new one can be setup through rs485
[13:16:53] <ssi> when I built this table, I took path of least resistance, and so lc and mach were an expedient option :)
[13:18:33] <mozmck> :) We are planning to not have mach as our only option as soon as is feasible.
[13:18:52] <ssi> that would be wise!
[13:19:01] <ssi> out of curiosity, is there an upgrade path for older units?
[13:19:33] <mozmck> Yes, to some degree, but I don't know the details. You'd have to call Tom about that.
[13:19:44] <ssi> ok
[13:20:17] <ssi> I'm gonna order peter's thcad and see what I can get working in linuxcnc first, that seems like a pretty solid option, but might require some significant hal hacking
[13:20:27] <ssi> I definitely like the idea of simplifying
[13:20:39] <ssi> simplifying hardware wise that is :)
[13:20:42] <mozmck> yes.
[13:22:48] <ssi> pcw_home: 7i75 would be a good option for breaking out that internal port, yeah?
[13:23:44] <pcw_home> Yeah it provide some protection but allows any pin diection
[13:24:29] <pcw_home> you can also just use generic BOBs
[13:24:57] <ssi> yeah but I don't have a generig BOB on hand, but I am about to order a thcad :D
[13:25:08] <ssi> just let me give you money, man!
[13:25:09] <ssi> :D
[13:34:52] <pcw_home> Nah there's alway cheaper way
[13:35:27] <ssi> there's cheap and then there's value... using a BOB from someone else means placing a second order, with a second shipping cost
[13:35:37] <ssi> plus your products are solid, and I prefer uniformity in the pluggable phoenix blocks
[13:35:50] <ssi> worth the $20 or so more that the '75 would be over someone else's BOB
[13:36:57] <ssi> the cheaper way is the way I have it now, which is a bare DB25 connector floating in midair ziptied to the wall :)
[13:38:01] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bql9GtJIgAAcv2x.jpg:large
[13:38:02] <ssi> heheh
[13:38:20] <Connor> youch
[13:38:31] <Connor> this for your G0704 ?
[13:38:36] <ssi> nah for the plasma table
[13:38:51] <Connor> Oh. okay. was going to ask why using the gecho on it..
[13:38:59] <ssi> nope 704 is all servo
[13:39:03] <ssi> and all unfinished :)
[13:39:06] <Connor> SERVO ?
[13:39:07] <ssi> yeah
[13:39:15] <ssi> I ball hard like that
[13:39:45] <Connor> Overkill
[13:39:46] <Connor> :)
[13:39:55] <ssi> whatev
[13:39:57] <ssi> I had them on hand
[13:40:02] <ssi> drives too
[13:40:21] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
[13:40:22] <ssi> heheh
[13:41:02] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKLi5haCMAIynMD.jpg:large
[13:41:17] <Connor> I want 3 things for my mill.. Upgrade to Ball Screws, Upgrade to 5i25+7i76, and a 5" Tormach CNC vise.
[13:41:23] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKM8TVgCMAE_YeB.jpg:large
[13:41:28] <ssi> I have two of the three
[13:41:44] <ssi> 7i77 though of course
[13:42:05] <ssi> I might throw my kurt doublelock 4" on it if I ever finish it
[13:42:19] <ssi> which at this rate will be never
[13:42:32] <ssi> actually I need to throw the spindle in the airplane and fly up to see you and pete
[13:42:45] <ssi> you guys owe me a pulley, and I can't figure out how to get the bearings you suggested installed correctly
[13:42:48] <ssi> that's where I gave up last year :P
[13:42:55] <Connor> Oh lord.
[13:43:06] <ssi> haha
[13:43:06] <Connor> yea, he still has the pulleys.. he's not machined them yet.
[13:43:26] <ssi> so there's that, plus I need to make a ballnut mount for the Z axis that mounts to the head
[13:43:34] <ssi> and I need to finish the cabinet wiring
[13:43:53] <mozmck> is your plane flying now?
[13:43:59] <ssi> the RV is not
[13:44:00] <ssi> but I have a cherokee
[13:44:12] <mozmck> ah.
[13:44:13] <ssi> I did at least start the wiring for the mill
[13:44:14] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOCTv7aCUAAeXvA.jpg:large
[13:44:20] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_04_09_14_02.jpg
[13:44:33] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN9HaPBCcAA3Ia5.jpg:large
[13:45:09] <ssi> looks good
[13:45:21] <ssi> I like the enclosure
[13:45:25] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_04_09_14_05.jpg
[13:56:16] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_05_19_14_01.jpg
[13:56:19] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_05_19_14_02.jpg
[13:56:21] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_05_19_14_03.jpg
[13:56:24] <Connor> New updates
[13:56:45] <Connor> showing the PC mounted on rack-mount rails.. and my tool shelf on draw slides as well.
[13:57:10] <ssi> holy wiring batman
[13:57:24] <Connor> What?
[13:57:30] <archivist> too tidy must shuffle it a bit
[13:57:32] <ssi> heheh
[13:58:01] <ssi> Connor: top unit your spindle drive?
[13:58:06] <Connor> You saying my wiring is messy ?
[13:58:11] <ssi> I'm not saying anything :D
[13:58:31] <Connor> yes. that's the KBIC reversing controller
[13:58:37] <ssi> gotcha
[13:58:49] <Connor> I tried to keep it neat.. but.. the BOB sucks.
[13:58:57] <ssi> yeah get you a 7i76 kit
[13:59:03] <ssi> that'd be ideal for you
[13:59:16] <Connor> hope it'll fit in that space.
[13:59:34] <Connor> some of that wiring mess is the PC PSU wiring..
[13:59:40] <ssi> https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/459136_10100131793367542_829866394_o.jpg
[13:59:47] <Connor> and my splicing off of the 5v side..
[14:00:48] <archivist> ssi, at least you got all teh wires the same colour so they could not be wrongly wired (except mains)
[14:00:55] <Connor> most of the messy wires are for the spindle encoder, and estop stuff
[14:00:57] <ssi> archivist: exactly :)
[14:01:15] <archivist> ssi we wired a boat that way once :)
[14:01:26] <ssi> archivist: that's standard procedure in airplanes :P
[14:01:44] <Connor> WHy in the world use the same color?
[14:01:45] <ssi> that's milspec wire from ye olde airplane parts store
[14:01:54] <archivist> proper is not writing a wire number on the ends :)
[14:02:10] <ssi> yeah wire numbering would be nice, but I didn't bother :)
[14:02:17] <ssi> it's small enough that it can be rung out
[14:02:51] <Connor> Well.. other than my wire mess.. how does it look mounted under the tray and my tool shelf ?
[14:02:59] <ssi> very good
[14:03:23] <ssi> the only thing that'll be weird about the '25/'76 combo for your setup is it's sorta setup for the interface board to be separate from the PC
[14:03:28] <Connor> and the wires for the step/dir and stepper outputs are nice and neat.
[14:03:49] <ssi> https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/262501_10100133915824122_1848380283_n.jpg
[14:03:51] <Connor> ssi: That's what I was saying.. I need to use the 2nd internal interface.
[14:04:05] <ssi> well the 7i76 doesn't work that way
[14:04:12] <Connor> yes it does.
[14:04:16] <ssi> well yeah I guess it does
[14:04:19] <ssi> but you'll need the right cable
[14:04:22] <ssi> might have to make it
[14:04:22] <Connor> You can use it on either of the 5i25 ports
[14:04:33] <Connor> I have it. standard parport to db25
[14:04:38] <ssi> need a 26 pin IDC to DB25 male
[14:04:39] <Connor> what I'm using on the BOB right now.
[14:05:10] <ssi> ah I see you have a gender changer in there
[14:05:15] <Connor> it's the ribbon cable.. with the gender bender on it.
[14:06:19] <Connor> my setup for the estop and spindle encoder is a bit odd.. both use the DB9 connector..
[14:06:21] <jdh> I can bring you one when i pick up the lathe.
[14:06:25] <Connor> and it's a "flying lead"
[14:06:33] <Connor> jdh: What lathe?
[14:07:04] <jdh> ssi's g0602
[14:07:12] <ssi> bring me one what
[14:07:31] <Connor> comes out and has another db9 connector that goes to the e-stop switch and then continues on up to the spindle encoder..
[14:07:50] <Connor> was running out of room for connectors
[14:08:24] <jdh> oh. nevermind
[14:08:37] <Connor> I have 1 spare 4 pin connector for 4th axis.. and 1 4 pin for the limits-homes
[14:08:39] <jdh> short scrollback
[14:09:19] <PCW> we do have the second DB25 bracket/cable assy
[14:09:22] <Connor> so, 5 x 4-pin connectors, 1 x for the spindle output and 2x for AC input. (Spindle and Stepper)
[14:09:53] <Connor> PCW Basically the same thing I'm already using.. no ?
[14:10:09] <Connor> just a ribbon cable with bracket ?
[14:10:11] <ssi> PCW: on the 7i76 firmware for the '25, what is the internal connector set up for? A second 7i76?
[14:10:19] <PCW> Yes ist the standard second PP thing
[14:10:25] <PCW> its
[14:11:23] <PCW> Yes (7I76X2) but if you want to use the header you should use 7I76X2R
[14:11:41] <ssi> Connor: take note of that
[14:11:43] <Connor> I DO have one free open slot.. so I could manufacture some sort of db-25 to db-25 with a bracket.. and use a short cable on the outside.
[14:11:48] <PCW> (which swaps the connectors)
[14:12:09] <ssi> Connor: nah internal cable the way you're doing it now should be fine
[14:12:28] <Connor> Yea. shouldn't need the extra db 25 for anything.
[14:12:29] <ssi> but note the different firmware; you may be able to order it preflashed, or you may need to do it yourself
[14:12:33] <Connor> if I use the 7i76 BOB
[14:12:49] <Connor> not a issue either way.
[14:12:57] <ssi> I think the point is that the reversed firmware puts the 0-3 stepgens on the internal connector rather than the external one
[14:13:06] <PCW> Yep
[14:13:17] <Connor> puts everything on it..
[14:13:23] <Connor> which is exactly what I would need
[14:13:28] <ssi> well no not everything; the firmware is set up to run two '76s
[14:13:46] <ssi> but the order of the stepgens and IOs would be reversed on the reversed firmware, which will be more convenient
[14:14:57] <Connor> I wish I had some sort of DIN rail in it.. instead of using the stupid bearer strips for the DC output..
[14:15:14] <Connor> I left room for 3 more stepper controllers.
[14:15:35] <Connor> lotta stuff packed into the case..
[14:15:59] <Connor> need lunch.. back in a bit
[15:53:09] <JT-Shop> wish I could take 4hr lunches
[15:53:30] <Connor> Who's taking a 4hr lunch ?
[15:58:06] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:58:50] * JT-Shop goes to wash the Spyder before going to Cuba
[16:00:59] <Deejay> gn8
[16:39:56] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop goin for cigars?
[16:55:43] <JT-Shop> going for spyders
[16:55:58] <JT-Shop> then I'm going to Swiss for some brats
[16:58:07] <syyl_ws> Oo
[17:07:41] <CaptHindsight> the last 90 miles of that trip get awfully damp
[17:09:19] <JT-Shop> actually you just take 21 to 49 to 32 to 49 to 19 and when you get to I-44 your in Cuba Missouri
[17:18:39] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: we used to joke about going to Paris..... Paris, IL
[17:19:50] <ssi> got the machine torch mount fabricated
[17:19:50] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmvjXCIIAAs-av.jpg
[17:20:21] <CaptHindsight> ssi: which make of torch is that?
[17:20:30] <ssi> hypertherm
[17:20:39] <ssi> that's the duramax mini torch
[17:39:43] <ssi> urgh... digikey sent me the wrong pins for the CPC :(
[19:47:08] <zeeshan|3> http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=471
[19:47:11] <zeeshan|3> how come there is now ground wire
[19:47:15] <zeeshan|3> for this power supply
[19:52:39] <jdh> ask arturo
[19:53:29] <zeeshan|3> all i see is
[19:53:33] <zeeshan|3> two + + com and - -
[19:53:37] <zeeshan|3> for 65V out
[19:54:06] <jdh> you sure are picky.
[19:55:26] <jdh> see that mounting hole? use it.
[19:56:17] <zeeshan|3> um
[19:56:23] <zeeshan|3> !
[19:57:19] <jdh> <- back home from 8 days of florida diving.
[20:25:08] <archivist> no way I would get that psu, overpriced, lack of input connector, caps look too small
[20:26:13] <archivist> and documentation does not match the picture
[20:33:41] <jdh> keling special
[20:37:13] <archivist> I dont think that much cost cutting in manufacture deserves a CE mark either, so that has to be a fraud
[20:38:15] <archivist> https://www.gov.uk/ce-marking
[20:38:40] <archivist> a power supply with no input fuse?
[20:47:23] <CaptHindsight> "Note: The transformer (only) is CE certified" heh
