#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-06-07

[00:02:03] <XXCoder1> talking about computer control this is awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0f3sz0vJjH8
[00:18:43] <XXCoder1> wow quiet now lol
[00:19:01] <mazafaka1> If I need to get the information from large amount of sensors which measure the pressure, how can I get together the information on PC? So as I can see on the monitor at which sensor there's a low pressure?
[00:29:44] <Jymmm> mazafaka1: arduino
[00:38:03] <mazafaka1> arduino modules? I have poured tea on laptop, so i reconnect right now
[00:40:27] <ChuangTzu> lol
[00:42:47] <XXCoder1> fun
[00:43:39] <mazafaka> jymm I will have tried to read about the use of this aduino modules.
[02:22:07] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKrvL0l3gso cool machine =)
[08:49:13] <jthornton> how can I cut Polyurethane Foam Air Filter neatly?
[08:50:22] <Jymmm> electric carving knife
[08:50:24] <Jymmm> or
[08:50:32] <Jymmm> coping saw works nice too
[08:50:33] <Jymmm> or
[08:50:38] <Jymmm> bread knife
[08:50:52] <Jymmm> bread knife work s really well
[08:51:11] <Jymmm> Could try hot wire too
[08:51:15] <jthornton> they don't sound like that would give a neat square edge... this is 1" thick
[08:51:28] <jthornton> no hot wire as it will close the cells
[08:51:29] <Jymmm> read knife and a straight edge will
[08:51:34] <Jymmm> bread knife
[08:51:41] <jthornton> I'll give it a try
[08:52:12] <jthornton> so what I need is a scalloped edge blade for my vertical band saw and a rip fence
[08:52:25] <SpeedEvil> Nice sharp carving knife
[08:52:35] <Jymmm> you can do it by hand, it's really easy
[08:52:43] <SpeedEvil> maybe with a smear of oil on the blade for the finest cut
[08:52:56] <Jymmm> there are special bandsaw blades for plastics/foams
[08:53:13] <Jymmm> no oil needed, just a sharp breadknife
[08:53:19] <jthornton> I need to cut a bunch of strips then glue the ends together
[08:53:28] <jthornton> to make a circle
[08:53:41] <SpeedEvil> Another hack is to add water, freeze, and then treat as wood
[08:54:13] <Jymmm> jthornton: oh, so your cuting curves?
[08:54:39] <jthornton> making a pre filter for a round air filter
[08:54:56] <Jymmm> out of PU ?
[08:55:37] <Jymmm> jthornton: what application?
[08:55:42] <jthornton> http://www.mcmaster.com/#foam-air-filters/=sayx7g
[08:55:54] <jthornton> an air filter pre filter
[08:56:05] <jthornton> for a Rotax 998
[08:56:49] <jthornton> the actual function is a noise reduction
[08:56:58] <Jymmm> jthornton: hot wire
[08:57:50] <Jymmm> I thought you were using solidified PU (foam in a can type)
[08:58:36] <Jymmm> jthornton: or, like I said there is a special bandsawblade specially for soft foam materials
[09:01:01] <Jymmm> jthornton: even cuts lettuce and cheeses http://www.yorksaw.com/
[09:02:35] <Jymmm> jthornton: laser cut them too
[09:05:35] <Jymmm> jthornton: disregard my breadknife statement; wrong type of PU I was thinking.
[09:06:43] <Jymmm> jthornton: meat slicer type blade would work for soft foam
[09:09:14] <Jymmm> jthornton: Theres a place out here that all the deal with/sell is various tyes of foam. They have thus HUGE bandsaw type table (8ft x 12") that moves for cutting full sheet foam products
[09:11:20] <jthornton> I'll have to see what I can dig up or make
[09:11:36] <Jymmm> http://www.cutlascnc.com/CNC-foam-cutters/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/foam_cutter_BandSaw_Slit.jpg
[09:12:17] <Jymmm> jthornton: http://images.starrett.com/is/image/Starrett/BandKnives?wid=1200&hei=1200&qlt=90,1
[09:12:36] <Jymmm> jthornton: http://www.starrett.com/saws/saws-hand-tool-products/band-saw-blades/specialty-band-saw-blades/band-knives
[09:13:10] <Jymmm> Hmmm, they are caling them "band knives"
[09:13:55] <Jymmm> jthornton: FWIW, a proper temperature hot wire will NOT close the cells of foam btw.
[09:14:10] <Einar1> I cut a foam cylinder in my lathe once. Used a small wood router at 30K RPM to cut it. It came out very nice. So why not try to cut in a CNC router?
[09:22:40] <SpeedEvil> Polyurethane is not a thermoplastic
[09:22:51] <SpeedEvil> It's a thermoset.
[09:23:13] <SpeedEvil> it will burn, but not reform
[09:23:19] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: It'll still cut with a hot wire
[09:23:23] <SpeedEvil> sure
[09:23:27] <SpeedEvil> foam at least
[09:23:46] <Jymmm> Even high density PU
[09:23:59] <Jymmm> just need to run at a higher temp
[09:24:02] <SpeedEvil> I was just meaning no temperature of wire will make a shiny surface of foam, like it might with polythene or other polymer
[09:24:06] <Jymmm> or you'll get goo
[09:24:35] <Jymmm> PU/PP is tricky to cut with hot wire
[09:24:42] <Jymmm> err PE/PP I mean
[09:24:59] * Jymmm likes PP =)
[09:24:59] * SpeedEvil ponders.
[09:25:32] <Jymmm> it doens't solidify very quickly
[09:25:43] <Jymmm> since such a high temp is needed
[09:26:13] <Jymmm> It's like serving the ends of paracord, it "round overs"
[09:26:22] <Jymmm> siering
[09:26:36] <Jymmm> muchrooms?
[09:26:41] <Jymmm> mushrooms
[09:27:11] <Jymmm> unless you get the right temp and can maintain that
[09:39:01] <maZer`-> hi all
[09:40:41] <kengu> hello
[09:45:55] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: except for this class http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoplastic_polyurethane
[11:15:07] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:15:14] <XXCoder1> hey ich
[11:15:57] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[11:16:28] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: light rain here after a super hot summer day
[11:17:15] <Jymmm> yuck
[11:18:15] <IchGuckLive> the smell outside is fabouless as near 10.000 US people are at BBQ mode
[11:18:49] <IchGuckLive> im off bey till later from home
[11:19:26] <XXCoder1> lol he never stays lomg
[11:59:48] <XXCoder1> nw sketchup
[11:59:50] <XXCoder1> new
[12:01:11] <FrankZappa> eeesh
[12:01:18] <XXCoder1> sketchup 8
[12:01:20] <FrankZappa> do you use sketchup for any output?
[12:01:33] <XXCoder1> just using it for design plans
[12:01:37] <FrankZappa> I like gesturing with it, but otherwise it's let me down way too much
[12:02:24] <maZer`-> does someone want to tune my pid on my dc servo (velocity mode) machine for 50usd per hour? Over teamviewer or VNC or something :D
[12:03:51] <zeeshan> i bet pcw_home will
[12:03:51] <zeeshan> =D
[12:04:04] <zeeshan> he's an expert
[12:04:47] <Jymmm> $50/hr ARE YOU KIDDING?! NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!! Now, $51/hour, sure no problem!
[12:05:20] <XXCoder1> lol
[12:05:23] <XXCoder1> odd
[12:05:33] <XXCoder1> sketchup 8 dont allow me to specify size??
[12:06:06] <Jymmm> google sketchup? for 2d or 3d usage?
[12:06:43] <XXCoder1> 3d
[12:06:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Have you looked at Blender?
[12:07:10] <XXCoder1> yeah
[12:16:04] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[12:17:16] <IchGuckLive> Blender is the berst to go for
[12:18:22] <maZer`-> hehe
[12:18:32] <IchGuckLive> servus maZer`-
[12:18:40] <maZer`-> hi :)
[12:18:42] <IchGuckLive> wie stehts läuft die mühle
[12:18:55] <maZer`-> ja xD
[12:19:03] <maZer`-> aber ich kriege den pid nicht hin :(
[12:19:03] <FrankZappa> nah
[12:19:06] <FrankZappa> Rhino
[12:19:13] <maZer`-> das echt zum abkratzen
[12:20:40] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: Rhino 4
[12:20:54] <IchGuckLive> i got a 3.2 version
[12:21:03] <IchGuckLive> and rhino cam 1
[12:21:09] <FrankZappa> I'm using 5 with grasshopper
[12:21:35] <IchGuckLive> things are changing at the time goes on
[13:49:42] <XXCoder1> hey IchGuckLive
[13:50:17] <XXCoder1> yeah played with blender, bit hard to learn how use but sketchup just is too weird. Once I draw something I cannot re-specify its size to specific size!
[13:50:22] <XXCoder1> that sucks big time.
[13:50:34] <XXCoder1> no way to specify exact position either
[13:50:55] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: why not heeks or freecad
[13:51:12] <XXCoder1> ich not making cnc toolpath
[13:51:31] <XXCoder1> just trying to make more exact plans for my cnc so I dont get too far astray when building
[13:55:02] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: http://www.sammellothar.de/X_RAHMEN.mpg
[13:55:31] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6kllGspehQ
[13:56:31] <XXCoder1> looking into freecad
[13:58:39] <XXCoder1> looks cool gona try that
[14:02:02] <XXCoder1> hey
[14:03:56] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: online ?
[14:23:07] <XXCoder1> damn~
[14:23:12] <XXCoder1> freecad is nice!
[14:24:03] <XXCoder1> and I love dual screen. using freecad in one and website with tutorial on other
[14:25:14] <jdh> 3 is better
[14:25:41] <XXCoder1> I bet but 2 is my computer limit
[14:26:03] <XXCoder1> I dont plan to upgrade this one
[14:26:12] <XXCoder1> its 100 pc years old
[14:26:21] <jdh> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/tls/4508879226.html
[14:27:33] <XXCoder1> pretty cheap
[14:27:57] <jdh> I could quit screwing aroudn with my 9x20
[14:28:08] <XXCoder1> and ship that one to me free? lol
[14:28:11] <jdh> I'd be more enthused if I had something I actually wanted to turn.
[14:32:48] <XXCoder1> no project ideas?
[14:33:09] <XXCoder1> how about lamps and such? heh. theres nice "faces or lamp" illusion you can make in real world
[14:35:27] <XXCoder1> http://pieceofmind.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/illusion2.jpg
[14:35:32] <XXCoder1> example
[14:36:11] <XXCoder1> somone made actual lamp https://latenightdebates.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/faceslamp.jpg
[14:42:46] <XXCoder1> jdh: what ya think lol
[14:52:57] <jdh> looks spun
[14:53:05] <XXCoder1> yeah
[14:57:17] <Tom_itx> just 2??
[14:57:25] <Tom_itx> how do you survive with just 2 pcs
[14:57:49] <jdh> oy
[14:57:56] <jdh> it's not nice to make fun of poor people.
[14:58:05] <Tom_itx> i wasn't
[14:58:06] <XXCoder1> yeah
[14:58:12] <Tom_itx> i got some of mine free
[14:58:25] <XXCoder1> I guess regional thing
[14:58:32] <XXCoder1> cant do it around here lol
[15:15:20] <XXCoder1> man freecad is nice
[16:02:08] <jdh> hey, how's freecad?
[16:09:23] <XXCoder1> great just figuring one thing though
[16:09:43] <XXCoder1> how to rotate parts lol its logic is strange so probably doing it wrong. reading tutoriaks
[16:10:06] <Deejay> gn8
[16:20:20] <XXCoder1> jdh: ou use freecad?
[16:20:35] <XXCoder1> because I need help with rotation which is all kinds of weird :(
[20:02:26] <CaptHindsight> is this repo broken? deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org precise v2.5_branch-rt
[20:05:57] <XXCoder1> dunno
[20:06:15] <XXCoder1> what ya think? this is just X axis done, still figuring some stuff https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/cncidea.png
[20:06:42] <FrankZappa> decent sketch, but what does it represent
[20:06:53] <FrankZappa> two chamfered rails
[20:07:00] <XXCoder1> SBR20
[20:07:03] <FrankZappa> a platform with inverted c channels
[20:07:06] <XXCoder1> black one is ballscrew
[20:07:16] <CaptHindsight> I installed onto Xubuntu 12.04 and it's missing one of the RTAI modules
[20:07:21] * jdh ponders pointing out that ballscrews are round.
[20:07:30] <XXCoder1> ignore stuff floating nearby its parts I made but havent used
[20:08:03] <Connor> XXCoder1: Rotate the SBR20's 90 degrees.
[20:08:03] <CaptHindsight> polymer bearings?
[20:08:25] <XXCoder1> jdh: lol yeah its just same dimension as ends, screws is smaller so its accurate enough to figure if design will work
[20:08:54] <CaptHindsight> Connor: why rotate the bearings 90 deg so the supports are not as load bearing?
[20:09:34] <XXCoder1> sbr20 is riciously heavy for small cnc so on sides would work but bit more complex to make so meh
[20:10:03] <XXCoder1> I have yet to add front and back supports for surface. not sure how to design that yet
[20:10:05] <Connor> Because, He's using supported rails.. The gantry will cantilever and will cause the bearings to pull away from the rails..
[20:10:41] <Connor> the supported bearings he's using are only good for loads in 3 directions.
[20:11:11] <XXCoder1> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/CncRoughDraft.png rough draft, before I knew sizes
[20:11:11] <jdh> it appears to me that they are in the best orientation
[20:11:26] <jdh> but, that one isn
[20:11:30] <jdh> but, that one isn't
[20:11:44] <jdh> in that one, rotate them 90 degrees
[20:11:45] <Connor> That's the right way.
[20:12:16] <XXCoder1> sigh gonna run dinner time lol be back
[20:12:16] <jdh> hrm.
[20:12:18] <Connor> the gantry can't cantilever.. causing it to drag.
[20:12:18] <CaptHindsight> Connor: why do you feel that way?
[20:12:22] <jdh> I'd call that the wrong way.
[20:12:45] <CaptHindsight> please don't take this is as a criticism
[20:13:06] <Connor> Look at the way the bearings are made.. good for side to side and load directly toward the rail.
[20:13:22] <CaptHindsight> is the concern that the bearing blocks will spread open?
[20:13:42] <Connor> Yes. and, they're no bearing surface on the bottom part.. they drag.
[20:14:18] <CaptHindsight> are you sure that his blocks have no bearings on the lower parts?
[20:14:29] <CaptHindsight> thats just poor blocks
[20:14:31] <Connor> Non of those do..
[20:14:38] <Connor> TSK'S do.
[20:14:46] <Connor> but, not the round supported style.
[20:15:55] <Connor> I know this.. because I made mine the other way.. and have this exact problem.. the ONLY thing that saved me was using a 16mm ballscrew which helps take the load...
[20:16:10] <Connor> which is VERY bad design.. but works okay with lower load.
[20:16:22] <jdh> https://www.dropbox.com/s/s5v1g10vojkijbr/Screenshot%202014-06-07%2020.57.54.png
[20:17:18] <jdh> you are saying the rail with the support down is the worst way?
[20:17:35] <jdh> with the majority of the load being down?
[20:17:52] <Connor> Only when you have a gantry that can cause the back part of RISE.
[20:18:01] <CaptHindsight> if they have no bearings below the center of the bearing shaft
[20:18:04] <Connor> due to cantilever forces.
[20:18:11] <CaptHindsight> I've never seen any that cheap
[20:18:50] <Connor> You might have 1 below the shaft, but, on one side only..
[20:19:14] <jdh> surely that could be compensated for with better spread between the bearings
[20:19:17] <Connor> Would you try to run them with a load upside down ?
[20:20:02] <Connor> jdh: To some degree yes.. but, it has to be a rather large spread.
[20:21:43] <jdh> hmm. and what do the cheap chinese routers have?
[20:23:00] <Connor> 3020's have it the way your talking about jdh, the nicer 6040's have it the way I'm saying.
[20:23:54] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder1: can you post a pic of the inside of your bearing blocks? I'd like to see how the bearings are arranged. If you get a chance :)
[20:32:08] <Connor> http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t408/dingzaigu/SBR1-2.jpg
[20:32:29] <Connor> They're.. good shot.. you can clearly see only 1 circuit on the underside.
[20:33:33] <Connor> I think they normally only have 4 circuits in the 20's. and you loose one for the supported version..
[20:34:04] <Connor> but, the orientation isn't known till you get them.
[20:46:53] <XXCoder1> back
[20:47:07] <XXCoder1> CaptHindsight: sure a sec
[20:52:20] <XXCoder1> CaptHindsight: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/sbr20blockinside.jpg
[20:52:44] <Connor> BINGO
[20:52:55] <Connor> Only 3 circuits right ?
[20:53:01] <XXCoder1> 4
[20:53:26] <XXCoder1> left side is lower and harder to see
[20:55:15] <CaptHindsight> if it was only 3 circuits that lower left side would drag on the rail
[20:55:20] <Connor> If your gantry has ANY chance to provide some sort of cantilever force (I.E. apply upward force to the front or back of the gantry) rotate the bearings 90 degrees. IMHO
[20:56:06] <XXCoder1> well changing design to moving bed and fixed gantry might be better. definitely easier to make!
[20:56:32] <Connor> True.. but, at a cost of space.. depending on size of machine.
[20:56:55] <XXCoder1> remember my more recent design? longest dim is 600 mm or 2 ft or so
[20:57:09] <Connor> No. I don't.. Can't keep track.
[20:57:11] <Connor> :)
[20:57:23] <Connor> Have hard enough time keeping track of my stuff. :)
[20:58:17] <XXCoder1> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/cncidea.png
[20:58:38] <Connor> So, Is that just a table then ?
[20:58:43] <Connor> not the gantry ?
[20:59:13] <XXCoder1> yeah
[20:59:19] <XXCoder1> no y and z parts yet
[20:59:34] <Connor> fixed gantry.. having them mounted that way is fine.
[20:59:44] <XXCoder1> the table would be part of gantry but easy enough to change design
[20:59:56] <andypugh> XXCoder1: sketchup?
[21:00:04] <XXCoder1> nah freecad
[21:00:14] <XXCoder1> the rough draft one is sketchup
[21:00:24] <XXCoder1> I got sick with sketchup bad ui so I gave it up
[21:00:34] <andypugh> Ah, OK. I was wondering why your models look so unlike the real thing :-)
[21:02:14] <jdh> grabcad has lots of models of SBR & ballscrews.
[21:02:36] <XXCoder1> yeah one thing mystified me though
[21:02:47] <XXCoder1> freecad rotation just does not make sense at all.
[21:03:36] <andypugh> Alibre / Geomagic is a pretty good CAD package and not horribly expensive (Windows only, AFAIK) I don’t actually think that any of the Free or Linux packages are quite there, though I applaud their efforts.
[21:05:06] <andypugh> I cheat, I have a free Autodesk Inventor license as a perk of work :-)
[21:05:18] <XXCoder1> nice
[21:05:40] <XXCoder1> andy whats "cheap" to you?
[21:05:41] <andypugh> And that’s actually rather a nice package. (unlike AutoCAD classic, which is horrible)
[21:05:45] <XXCoder1> $200? $1000?
[21:05:59] <andypugh> I think Alibre is about $200
[21:06:40] <XXCoder1> yeah not surpised. unfortunately my budget is in lockdown. thankfully wood is free and all I need is router and cheap drill press and I'm good
[21:08:16] <ChuangTzu> <<been looking for a cheap drill press for a while
[21:09:36] <andypugh> I have just looked at the Geomagic web site and they seem to now have made it traditionally difficult to get a price. Idiots.
[21:09:49] <ChuangTzu> ugh
[21:09:50] <ChuangTzu> i hate that
[21:10:05] <andypugh> Alibre (before they were bought out by 3D systems) were totally up-front about pricing,.
[21:10:46] <XXCoder1> if its hard to get price I always assume I cant afford it
[21:10:50] <XXCoder1> and in thousands
[21:10:56] <andypugh> Yes, me too.
[21:12:33] <andypugh> Actually, their pricing has gone up a lot! http://www.alibre.com/products/ad_compare.asp
[21:12:54] <andypugh> I pad £125 for my Alibre license (which I am not currently using)
[21:13:14] <XXCoder1> holy fuck
[21:15:51] <andypugh> Ah, the cheap version is now called “Cubify” and might be worth a look: http://cubify.com/en/Products/CompareSoftware
[21:16:27] <andypugh> The pricing there is much more reasonable.
[21:16:41] <andypugh> (I would hope you get to try it first though)
[21:17:10] <XXCoder1> yeah
[21:17:23] <XXCoder1> man I miss bryce
[21:17:29] <XXCoder1> so simple
[21:17:51] <XXCoder1> I dont freaking get freecd rotate parts
[21:18:02] <XXCoder1> why give me only one angle and percenage each axis??
[21:18:20] <XXCoder1> why cant I just do X rotate 90 then y rotate 90
[21:19:07] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder1: what happened to Bryce?
[21:19:17] <XXCoder1> 100 years old thats why
[21:19:18] <XXCoder1> heh
[21:21:30] <andypugh> Last release 3 years ago
[21:22:23] <andypugh> But all those lovely modellers are horrible for mechanical parts.
[21:22:24] <XXCoder1> for last one yeah. I used bryce 3
[21:22:38] <XXCoder1> and I have bryce 5 too lol
[21:23:06] <andypugh> Bryce makes stunning landscapes, but it would be horrible to design a bearing housing with
[21:23:35] <CaptHindsight> I hear the next Fest will be in Houston in October, it should be cooler by then
[21:28:09] <XXCoder1> funny thing
[21:28:16] <XXCoder1> I never used bryce for landscapes.
[21:32:54] <XXCoder1> why why why did they really fuck up rotation?
[21:33:15] <XXCoder1> I cannot logically place part using pure numbers
[21:33:24] <XXCoder1> no, I gonna freakin eyeball it
[21:36:34] <zeeshan> =]
[21:37:07] <zeeshan> i love hearing about this struggles w/ software
[21:37:09] <zeeshan> har har har
[21:37:28] <XXCoder1> For example, with a Angle of 15 : specifying, 1.0 for x and 2.0 for y, will rotate 15 and 30 in the y-axis and the x-axis
[21:37:37] <XXCoder1> it does NOT do that for me
[21:37:47] <zeeshan> yes cause youre using junk software!
[21:38:01] <XXCoder1> pay for good one for me then
[21:38:06] <zeeshan> fak paying for software
[21:38:07] <andypugh> rotating parts in Inventor is almost impossble. But why do you want to? You assemble them into assemblies instead.
[21:38:09] <zeeshan> student licenses ftw
[21:38:16] <zeeshan> andypugh: its not?
[21:38:36] <XXCoder1> my budget priority is my car which take around 100% of non-bills money
[21:38:40] <zeeshan> you obviously know the middle mouse button
[21:38:42] <zeeshan> to rotate the entire thing
[21:38:55] <XXCoder1> uh thats view rotation not part rotation
[21:38:59] <andypugh> zeeshan: Rotates the view, not the part?
[21:39:42] <zeeshan> andypugh: oh you wanna rotatate the part only
[21:39:43] <zeeshan> click on it
[21:39:45] <zeeshan> press g
[21:39:48] <zeeshan> then middle mouse button
[21:40:04] <zeeshan> in an assembly
[21:40:07] <andypugh> But normally what you actually do is constrain the parts to the assembly reference planes instead.
[21:40:13] <XXCoder1> what software you think I am using?
[21:40:28] <zeeshan> i dunno what it is XXCoder1 but either it sucks or yuou dont know how to use it
[21:40:34] <zeeshan> if you're trying to rotate specifically at a standard angle
[21:40:40] <XXCoder1> then stop helping
[21:40:43] <zeeshan> thats pretty standard stuff you can expect.
[21:40:57] <XXCoder1> because actions you suggested? did nothing lol
[21:41:04] <zeeshan> stop being self righteous and download inventor
[21:41:06] <zeeshan> and use it for 30 days trial
[21:41:11] <zeeshan> and then pay $50 for the student license
[21:41:33] <zeeshan> andypugh: did the g thing work
[21:41:35] <zeeshan> is that what you want
[21:41:51] <zeeshan> i made a mistake in my instruction
[21:41:56] <zeeshan> is G then left mouse button not middle
[21:42:11] <zeeshan> middle mouse button will pan
[21:42:14] <zeeshan> (in that mode)
[21:42:42] <andypugh> zeeshan: Sorry, we seem to be confused. XXcoder is using (errr, I have forgotten) and finds exact part rotation hard. I am saying that xact part rotation is also hard in Inventor, but that is partly because it is rarely what you really want to be doing.
[21:43:08] <XXCoder1> freecad
[21:43:08] <zeeshan> i use part rotation to view a part at a specific angle
[21:43:13] <zeeshan> for an angle drilled hole
[21:43:16] <zeeshan> its nice to do
[21:43:21] <zeeshan> (compound angle)
[21:43:45] <andypugh> The exception, actually, is when you export the goemoetry to CAM software and actually wanted the origin somewhere else.
[21:45:13] <zeeshan> hey andypugh whats the standard cam software people use with inventor?
[21:46:07] <andypugh> I don’t know
[21:46:16] <zeeshan> somene asked me that today i couldnt answer it
[21:46:37] <zeeshan> i dont think there is a mastercam plugin for it
[21:46:40] <andypugh> As soon as Work upgrade to 2014 then HSMworks comes free too :-)
[21:46:49] <zeeshan> hsmworks works with inventor?
[21:46:52] <andypugh> But I am exporting STL to CamBam
[21:47:15] <zeeshan> im sduch a noob
[21:47:23] <zeeshan> mastercam x5 supported inventor 2012..
[21:47:28] <andypugh> http://cam.autodesk.com/inventor-hsm/
[21:47:36] <zeeshan> nice!
[21:47:46] <zeeshan> i really need to learn hsmworks
[21:48:07] <XXCoder1> I finally understand how fucking rotation works
[21:48:35] <XXCoder1> apparently part has orgin angle. I have to figure how rotate from that, so I would need to set it to zero rotation
[21:48:39] <andypugh> I don’t. I have a mill with gears for 47rpm, 64rpm…..675rpm, 1000rpm. HSM is not in my world.
[21:48:44] <XXCoder1> then figure how get where I want from there
[21:48:47] <XXCoder1> insane system
[21:49:00] <zeeshan> andypugh: it cant hurt to learn something useful
[21:49:05] <zeeshan> and make yourself more valuable
[21:50:38] <Connor> Damn, dude got pissy about Velocity override not handling rapids anymore..
[21:50:52] <andypugh> That’s generally true, but my paid-work skillls are nothing to do with manufacturung
[21:51:33] <zeeshan> =D
[21:51:35] <zeeshan> im a sponge
[21:51:37] <zeeshan> i like to know ALL!
[21:52:31] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/PkpmPxB.jpg
[21:53:17] <XXCoder1> wtf stupid
[21:53:32] <XXCoder1> I dont know what seafoam was, but I sure as hell wouldnt use expanding foam!!
[21:53:57] <andypugh> I wouldn’t use _any_ of them
[21:54:20] <XXCoder1> http://ls1tech.com/forums/general-maintenance-repairs/534376-how-seafoam-your-car.html
[21:54:55] <zeeshan> andypugh:
[21:55:04] <zeeshan> have you run a boring head in reverse?
[21:55:25] <andypugh> The engine I am working on has a $50 part that we _think_ gives 0.25% better fuel economy, but we can’t measure it. If the magic goops worked we would _absolutely_ be using them.
[21:55:43] <XXCoder1> it just cleans crap out
[21:55:46] <zeeshan> sea foam cleans the carbon buildup on your piston
[21:55:49] <zeeshan> it works great
[21:55:58] <XXCoder1> probably improve perforance but dunno on mpg
[21:56:12] <XXCoder1> maybe easier movements means less gas to go same speed so on
[21:56:30] <andypugh> Ah, it’s like Redex and suchlike?
[21:56:32] <zeeshan> i dunno if that matters
[21:56:39] <ChuangTzu> what is this part andypugh
[21:56:44] <zeeshan> the main reason ive used it in the past is cause carbon build up causes hot spots
[21:56:47] <zeeshan> which cause preignition
[21:57:24] <andypugh> Oh, you still use sparks?
[21:57:35] <ChuangTzu> lol
[21:57:37] <XXCoder1> sparkplugs?
[21:57:43] <ChuangTzu> diesel++
[21:58:03] <XXCoder1> glowplug lol (in fact someone used one to make printer head lol)
[21:59:12] <andypugh> ChuangTzu: Servo thermostat, rather than wax element.
[21:59:28] <XXCoder1> new and stupid kickstarter idea
[21:59:32] <XXCoder1> wax 3d printer
[21:59:49] <andypugh> What’s stupid aboue a wax printer
[21:59:50] <XXCoder1> make all that fancy candles LOL
[22:00:06] <XXCoder1> well and mold maker HMM didnt think of that
[22:00:30] <XXCoder1> if I recall some pour methods use lost wax?
[22:00:55] <andypugh> wax parts are ideal for then investment casting. It’s presumably for jewellers or anyone else who actually wants metal at the end of the process.
[22:01:43] <XXCoder1> about seafoam "Yeah I did this to the GEO and blacked out the sun with all the smoke Good way to **** the neighbors off "
[22:02:00] <andypugh> Though you can actually lost-wax cast with the normal filament. But maybe not add sprues and gates, or manually tweak the same way.
[22:02:36] <andypugh> Seafoam sounds more and more like Redex
[22:03:04] <XXCoder1> I might do engine fuel and oil but definitely not rest of it! oo risky to me lol
[22:14:58] <XXCoder1> any of you ever seafoamed?
[22:15:44] <zeeshan> yep i have
[22:15:54] <XXCoder1> it turned to smoke bomb too?
[22:15:57] <zeeshan> hell yes
[22:16:04] <zeeshan> for 20 minutes. thick white smoke
[22:16:11] <zeeshan> you'll piss off your neighbours
[22:16:14] <XXCoder1> you did everything or just gas/oil?
[22:16:29] <zeeshan> fuel
[22:16:32] <zeeshan> + oil
[22:16:54] <zeeshan> i stuck my video camera into the hole
[22:17:02] <zeeshan> (sparkplugs) and the pistons were sexy after
[22:17:10] <zeeshan> no more black shit caked on em
[22:17:11] <XXCoder1> I wont bother with my ticking bomb but my next car I probably will
[22:17:33] <XXCoder1> oh yeah guy said my car engine mount are fucked. how easy to fix?
[22:17:43] <zeeshan> what car
[22:18:01] <XXCoder1> probably wont bother if it will work fine for another couple month, p1744 is far more serious problem for my car.
[22:18:19] <XXCoder1> ford contour 1998. last year with bad toque transformer that always overheat
[22:18:41] <zeeshan> haha
[22:18:43] <zeeshan> those are cool cars
[22:18:46] <zeeshan> my friend did a sho conversion
[22:18:55] <XXCoder1> what does sho comversion do?
[22:19:00] <zeeshan> different engine
[22:19:01] <zeeshan> more power
[22:19:16] <XXCoder1> lol woulodnt that make p1744 come sooner?
[22:19:25] <zeeshan> yea but we like power!
[22:19:30] <zeeshan> im looking at the engine bay pic
[22:19:33] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:19:34] <zeeshan> transverse mounted
[22:19:40] <zeeshan> which mount is busted? front rear left right
[22:19:44] <zeeshan> (drivers = left)
[22:19:52] <XXCoder1> guy was looking in from driver side
[22:20:13] <zeeshan> looks easy to change
[22:20:16] <zeeshan> its exposed right there
[22:20:41] <zeeshan> looks like 2 nuts that you loosen up to remove the bracket
[22:21:05] <XXCoder1> link tp pic?
[22:21:10] <zeeshan> http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h41/generacerator/1998%20Ford%20Contour%20SVT/DSC08100.jpg
[22:21:28] <zeeshan> the drivers side one is the one im dtalkin about
[22:21:43] <zeeshan> the passenger side one is usually easy to change
[22:21:45] <zeeshan> same with front
[22:21:46] <XXCoder1> that looks 2000s
[22:21:47] <zeeshan> the rear is the hardest
[22:22:00] <XXCoder1> probably why its still running fine LOL
[22:22:07] <XXCoder1> cars lime mine is hard to find
[22:22:53] <zeeshan> ok back to machinig! :DP
[22:22:57] <XXCoder1> lol later
[22:48:17] <Jymmm> ho Tom_itx
[22:48:46] <Tom_itx> been workin on the router a bit
[22:49:07] <XXCoder1> been trying to work out ideas but not doing well so far
[22:49:18] <XXCoder1> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/cncidea.png
[23:40:36] <CaptHindsight> axis-remote intermittently crashes at startup in xubuntu 12.04 with 3.4.55 RTAI
[23:41:45] <CaptHindsight> the axis taskbar has (no file) in it when it crashes
[23:42:14] <CaptHindsight> no feedback when started in a console
[23:42:58] <CaptHindsight> this is with EMC 2.5