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[00:00:14] <zeeshan> success
[00:00:18] <zeeshan> both indicators are fixed
[00:00:26] <XXCoder1> so whats you do
[00:00:26] <zeeshan> tested them vs some good ones
[00:00:34] <zeeshan> well the small indicator
[00:00:44] <zeeshan> lost its tension one of the springs
[00:00:52] <zeeshan> so i retensioned it, blowed it was air
[00:00:58] <zeeshan> lubricated the rack and pinion
[00:01:01] <zeeshan> and its working good now
[00:01:09] <zeeshan> the long range indicator, i had to make a fitting for on the lathe
[00:01:24] <zeeshan> theyre actually not too bad to work on
[00:04:42] <XXCoder1> nie
[00:04:50] <XXCoder1> I gonna get a dial evenually
[00:06:03] <XXCoder1> night
[00:06:09] <zeeshan> gnite
[04:44:41] <Deejay> moin
[05:08:15] <Loetmichel> hmm... wasnt there a project to port linuxCNC to a 14.04 xubuntu install disk?
[05:09:26] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean 'port' ?
[05:10:19] <Loetmichel> to make an installdisk with up to date linuxCNC and a xubuntu 14.04 instad of ubuntu 10.04
[05:10:42] <Loetmichel> i thought i have seen someting but cant find it with google
[05:11:51] <SpeedEvil> ah
[06:01:12] <jthornton> I saw that too somewhere
[06:11:29] <jthornton> oh yea on the forum is where I saw that
[06:14:44] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[06:15:14] <jthornton> Loetmichel, I found 12.04 but not 14.04
[06:15:50] <Loetmichel> ... which is nearly outdated as well
[06:15:52] <Loetmichel> but thanks
[07:02:47] * Tom_itx thinks jthornton could get the blob of clouds passing over now
[07:03:57] <jthornton> we were supposed to get wet last night but the deck is dry
[07:04:22] <jthornton> I don't see anything on radar
[07:04:27] <Tom_itx> same here but that patch went north of us
[07:04:34] <Tom_itx> widen your radar :)
[07:04:49] <Tom_itx> it may fall apart by then
[07:05:00] <jthornton> yikes for Kansas
[07:45:18] <lair82> I let my new ASrock board run all night with 2 Glxgears running and when I came in this morning the numbers were 13758 MAx jitter 1.0ms thread, 7966 Max jitter 25.0ms thread
[07:45:30] <skunkworks> yay!
[07:45:49] <archivist> I want one of those
[07:46:33] <jthornton> nice
[07:46:59] <lair82> When got on firefox and started doing some browsing it went up to roughly 22000 on the 1.0ms thread and 15000 on the 25.0ms thread
[07:47:13] <lair82> Is that still OK?
[07:47:48] <lair82> We don't use steppers only servos, so does it really even matter?
[07:48:00] <archivist> ok for average stepper systems well ok for servo
[07:48:09] <Tom_itx> matters even less if you use mesa boards
[07:48:21] <lair82> Yep all Mesa driven systems
[07:48:52] <lair82> I will add this data to the wiki list
[08:22:39] <CaptHindsight> lair82: in BIOS did you turn off spread spectrum, turbo core, APM, C6, cool'n'quiet, SVM, cpu throttle, suspend to RAM?
[08:23:11] <lair82> That I did yes, I will mention that in the wiki
[08:24:52] <lair82> How in the bios do I get it to notice at least the 3.2 gigs of ram. It was only saying 1.9.
[08:25:47] <lair82> After doing some reading and talking to you guys I realize that it will regardless of how much you plug in it only notices 3.2
[08:26:32] <CaptHindsight> 32b kernel
[08:27:07] <CaptHindsight> try reducing the amount of memory allocated to the GPU
[08:28:38] <CaptHindsight> the way we do it is by using PAE but that's a custom kernel
[08:31:41] <CaptHindsight> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[08:34:47] <CaptHindsight> I don't recall if the old 2.6 RTAI kernel in 10.04 supports PAE
[08:35:23] <lair82> Thinking about it, I guess its not a big deal, all the systems that are running on the shop floor only say 1.9gb as well
[08:37:01] <CaptHindsight> unless you start browsing while running linuxcnc you probably won't use more that 300-400MB anyway
[08:37:15] <CaptHindsight> that/than
[08:37:29] <cradek> I think the lucid rtai kernel is not PAE because PAE broke RTAI at that time
[08:37:55] <cradek> but yeah, you absolutely don't need many gigabytes for linuxcnc
[08:39:01] <CaptHindsight> we only use PAE when we are doing lots of image processing while controlling the machine
[08:44:49] <CaptHindsight> only using 301MB of 1GB on 12.04 with 3.4.55 RTAI while running Linuxcnc
[08:45:40] <CaptHindsight> running Firefox makes it jump to ~400MB
[08:49:26] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc itself only uses 244KB and Linuxcncsvr 232KB
[08:50:07] <lansing> hay every one
[08:50:32] <CaptHindsight> Axis is the memory hog with 119MB
[08:56:01] <skunkworks_> I have been moving away from firefox... it seems to be getting slower and slower... (using chrome at the moment)
[08:56:14] <mozmck> NSA chrome?
[08:56:28] <skunkworks_> sure!
[08:56:32] <mozmck> :)
[08:56:41] <mozmck> I'm a google non-fan.
[08:56:45] <skunkworks_> heh
[08:57:06] <mozmck> they are trying to become the new microsoft, except far more invasive.
[08:57:57] <cradek> to me, iceweasel seems as good as web browsers have ever been
[08:58:20] <mozmck> Isn't that a version of firefox?
[08:58:31] <cradek> yes, with some bs removed
[08:58:39] <CaptHindsight> yeah, it's getting tougher to keep the trackers away
[08:58:59] <mozmck> I tried chrome once a year or two ago and it was much slower than firefox at the time, and crashed often.
[09:00:21] <CaptHindsight> it got creepy when I went from my phone to my desktop and Chrome in my desktop had my phones search history
[09:00:38] <CaptHindsight> I stopped logging into Google after that
[09:01:36] <mozmck> heh. I got a $40 android tablet to play with and it wanted a google account to open calendar or do or install anything.
[09:01:54] <skunkworks_> heh - I actually found that handy when using google maps for a gps.. My locations showed up on my phone that I searched for on my desktop.
[09:02:17] <mozmck> I found fdroid and have a few apps from there, but so far I find tablets not very useful...
[09:03:10] <mozmck> just don't ever do anything that might become illegal in the future. law enforcement *love* the smart phones :)
[09:05:27] <CaptHindsight> I have just about everything turned off and only turn on services as I need them or the battery life goes down to few hours vs 2-3 days
[09:06:07] <mozmck> :) I solve that particular one by not having a smart phone.
[09:07:11] <CaptHindsight> they still track IMEI and SIM#
[09:08:53] <mozmck> true, but I don't go much anywhere. my phone is a cheap (free I think) NET10, and we don't use the 300 minutes we buy every 2 months usually :)
[09:11:30] <skunkworks_> I am using tracfone... (A few months ago they started offering 2 android phones.. - zte and samsung) I have the zte.
[09:11:49] <skunkworks_> I like it.
[09:13:10] <CaptHindsight> I got my phones in China until Microcenter stated carrying the unlocked imports
[09:13:18] <skunkworks_> (it isn't locked down or anything...)
[09:14:39] <CaptHindsight> Lenovo and Blu for $100-$150 that have everything the $500+ phones have
[09:15:39] <CaptHindsight> anyone remember when there were review magazines that would test and post all the specs of radios, CB's, stereos?
[09:16:44] <CaptHindsight> I can't even imagine a site with cellphone specs with receiver sensitivity, rejection etc specs
[09:16:53] <skunkworks_> heh
[09:17:22] <mozmck> no one would know what it means
[09:17:41] <skunkworks_> that is one bad thing about the zte.. it's wifi reception is pretty bad.. you have to be within about 30ft of the router.. (wonder if that was on purpose..) :)
[09:25:04] <CaptHindsight> even the Google nexus is a piece of krap, updates break the phone (replaced 2x under warr) you have to restart/reboot it daily or it has trouble connecting to data networks over GSM or wifi
[09:26:40] <skunkworks> the zte has been pretty stable.. (don't have much on it) but it has locked up on me maybe 3 times... (pull the battery lock up)
[09:26:45] <CaptHindsight> and unless you run some of the tools to lock applications they are constantly running and connecting to the network
[09:27:24] <skunkworks> it is a bit under powered - but works well for me..
[09:30:14] <CaptHindsight> why is my calculator app asking for my location?
[09:35:16] <pcw_home> only a criminal would worry about that
[09:43:36] <mozmck> pcw_home: I don't know who Christopher Hallaxs is/was, but I found this attributed to him, "A state without criminals has no one to exercise control over, but legislation can always create as many criminals as you want."
[09:45:30] <CaptHindsight> anyone use UNetbootin for creating live flash distros? Using it for Linuxcnc
[09:46:11] <pcw_home> I have used it for installs
[09:51:23] <CaptHindsight> 10.04 uses ~260MB of memory with the 2.6 RTAI
[09:52:02] <CaptHindsight> Axis again is the hog using 29MB
[09:52:43] <CaptHindsight> so 12.04 uses up more memory
[09:53:18] <CaptHindsight> gnome2 vs 3
[09:58:34] <CaptHindsight> to run Linuxcnc from a flash drive it seems like I have to enable some extra memory space on the drive that is persistent across boots
[09:59:11] <CaptHindsight> if i don't i get errors that I'm out of memory
[09:59:39] <CaptHindsight> I though the LiveCD creates a RAM drive with some extra space
[10:24:14] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: regarding the AMD cpus and GPIO, how does this board look?
http://www.gizmosphere.org/
[10:31:02] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: that was the test board with those scores :)
[10:32:15] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to make an open hardware AMD board for a laptop after these a consensus on which laptop to use for everything else
[10:33:37] <CaptHindsight> I can bring all the leftover GPIO out to a header, 24 are accessible from user space
[10:37:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.logicsupply.com/components/motherboards/amd/nf81-t56n-lf/ boards like these only bring out 8 GPIO to a header
[10:38:06] <CaptHindsight> I have to check and see how many would be possible without effecting shared connections to SATA and PCIe
[10:38:46] <mozmck> I saw that, and that's not enough for much.
[10:39:12] <CaptHindsight> 16-24 would be good
[10:39:48] <CaptHindsight> plus I'm getting $10 EPP PCIe cards from China now
[10:40:19] <mozmck> Yes, that makes a $200 board less interesting.
[10:41:04] <CaptHindsight> it was just to see what they could do, and they end up being fast enough
[10:41:26] <CaptHindsight> not many boards even bring the signals out to headers
[10:42:26] <mozmck> 4 axes stepper would need 8 pins for step/dir, 1 for e-stop, 1 for a charge-pump (maybe), 4 for home switch inputs, 1 or 2 outputs. I think 16 would be a minimum.
[10:43:36] <SpeedEvil> No reason for charge pump
[10:43:43] <SpeedEvil> Rather than power
[10:44:33] * skunkworks_ likes chargepumps...
[10:45:20] <mozmck> what do you mean "rather than power"?
[10:46:05] <mozmck> It's a safety signal - if it is not present all outputs are disabled.
[10:46:27] <SpeedEvil> Oh.
[10:46:32] <SpeedEvil> Misunderstpod
[10:46:45] <mozmck> Definitely good to have in a parport setup.
[10:51:28] <CaptHindsight> charge pump power supply vs charge pump signal, easily confused
[11:31:12] <JT-Shop> its strange to hear the VMC spindle run at 6k and not trip out the drive
[11:31:56] <pcw_home> what did you fix?
[11:35:16] <skunkworks> was it a bigger rpc?
[11:37:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/16436/irqstuff.zip anyone try this yet? Reducing latency on multicore pc's - Success!
[11:37:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/german/forum/18-computer/25927-reducing-latency-on-multicore-pcs-success?limitstart=0
[11:38:46] <CaptHindsight> knocked his ~10uS jitters down to <4uS on AMD
[11:56:32] <SpeedEvil> Is it reducing the CPU cores available to linux, and pinning linuxcnc on that one core along with the IO drivers?
[11:57:17] <SpeedEvil> Is there a quick overview of what linuxcnc does that requires low latency?
[11:57:36] <SpeedEvil> I.E. what does it do with low latency that would not more sensibly be offloaded to a motion processor
[12:01:16] <CaptHindsight> you can force Linuxcnc to only run on one core but that trick above just places an affinity of the irq's to also be on the same one core
[12:01:28] <jdh> what kind of motion processor?
[12:02:11] <CaptHindsight> a FPGA located in the cpu core of course! :)
[12:02:55] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: iirc there are many usb and network solutions on the market that can be used with linuxCNC, anbd pci cards also
[12:03:16] <Loetmichel> but the point in linuxCNC is that it IS the motion processor. not only the gcode interpreter
[12:03:30] <SpeedEvil> jdh: Various options - a FPGA would not be insane, for example.
[12:03:52] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: ask pcw_home about it ;-)
[12:04:12] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: but then you need to get data moved between the cpu and the FPGA
[12:04:39] <CaptHindsight> there are already are FPGA stand alone motion controllers, check the mesa site
[12:05:26] <SpeedEvil> My question is basically how much does the high level matter. Clearly linuxcnc knows the 'whole thing' - but how much improvement is there beyond say being able to give accelleration/decelleration/profile, rather than commanding each step.
[12:05:44] <CaptHindsight> softdmc or something similar
[12:08:00] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[12:08:52] <CaptHindsight> if you look at what all the big cnc vendors did the past 10-20 years is move from microcontrollers to a PC
[12:09:54] <CaptHindsight> simple machine with no or simple GUI use a micro (blender)
[12:12:59] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:13:26] <jdh> are you looking for a mach3 like thing?
[12:13:26] <SpeedEvil> i
[12:13:34] <CaptHindsight> I'm able to use a $200 PC to control 7 axis of servos, a laser, digital microscopes and have a HD GUI
[12:14:07] <CaptHindsight> I wish there was a lower cost microcontroller that was as flexible to modify for my applications
[12:14:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Doens't count if you bought it hot off the truck in a dark alley =)
[12:14:21] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: i got pc for less then 50USD and with jitter at 20k it works fine for a 8hr shift
[12:14:33] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: the lights were on :)
[12:14:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: LMAO
[12:15:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what laser?
[12:16:35] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: various, we have some fancy femtosecond stuff for sub-micron work, but even a 405nm BlueRay for big 10um lines
[12:17:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what 450nm did you get?
[12:17:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: anf how many watts? 25mW ?
[12:18:11] <CaptHindsight> up to 2W
[12:18:13] <IchGuckLive> 405 is about 350mW
[12:18:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: model/pn/link?
[12:18:47] <CaptHindsight> China shops
[12:19:05] <CaptHindsight> let me see if I can find a link to something similar
[12:19:10] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ok, link? Thee are way too many china shops =)
[12:19:12] <jthornton> who wants to help a guy build a 12' x 24' gantry machine powered by Nema 34 steppers?
[12:19:13] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/27921-homemade-cnc-router-for-oxy-and-plasma
[12:19:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ok
[12:19:50] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what power do you want?
[12:20:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 1.2PW =) 250-500mW should do, looking for the sub $40 range
[12:20:39] <Tom_itx> jthornton, you don't wanna visit Portugal?
[12:21:02] <jthornton> been there
[12:21:08] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: loks like jesus alos one
[12:21:15] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: wasnt that 1.21 GW?
[12:21:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: No, PETA Watts... 1,200,000,000,000,000 Watts
[12:22:18] <Jymmm> I think I missed some zeros there
[12:22:22] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: why is hen not here in the irc
[12:22:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/700mW-405nm-S06J-Blu-Ray-Diode/dp/B00B6E4QQ8 700mW $54
[12:23:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What drives such a thing?
[12:25:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Hmmm
http://www.amazon.com/445nm-Diode-Copper-Module-Leads/dp/B00HFHMIFG/ref=pd_sim_sbs_indust_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=18K4F4E33QZVF1KC4PC6
[12:25:33] <CaptHindsight> simple mosfet ON/OFF from constant current source
[12:25:50] <CaptHindsight> thats 445nm Blue
[12:25:51] <jthornton> IchGuckLive, dunno
[12:26:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: waelength too high for cutting?
[12:27:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dhgate.com/product/burn-matches-strong-power-405nm-blue-violet/166422820.html#s1-3-7|3657948519
[12:27:34] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: depends on what you want to do, we use 405nm for triggering polymerization/curing
[12:28:00] <CaptHindsight> but enough power at 405nm can cut if the material absorbs it
[12:28:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: make/engrave wood/plastics
[12:28:11] <Jymmm> mark/engrave*
[12:28:28] <Jymmm> (not cut)
[12:29:07] <Jymmm> Ok, do derate DHGate by 50% still gives 500mW, so not too bad.
[12:30:03] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: i give him a replay
[12:30:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: review "NOTHING IS BURNING NO LIE" lol
[12:30:34] <Jymmm> re; "NO QUEMA NADA ES MENTIRA"
[12:30:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAB-use-9-0mm-1W-808nm-810nm-IR-Infrared-Laser-Diode-LD-TO5-with-PD-/191004695380
[12:31:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/INDUSTRIAL-TO3-Package-1000mW-1W-808nm-810nm-Infrared-IR-Laser-Lazer-Diode-LD-/120921972102
[12:31:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Less than 1W should be okey too. I'd much rather have the lipstick case with power leads than just a laser diode
[12:32:24] <CaptHindsight> use the google-fu
[12:33:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, just wasn't sure which wavelength would be best for marking
[12:33:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwTRCdUttQ Mirror etching with 1W 808nm Laser diode
[12:33:43] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: suncream rewady for the heatwave
[12:34:10] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it depends on the absorbtion of the substrate
[12:34:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: wood primarily
[12:34:33] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: for wood marking only a DVD is needed at 5USD
[12:35:07] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: syy mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L1VR8U74us
[12:35:10] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: I want something a little better than 2 hours for 2"x2" =)
[12:35:45] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkBes1XgfnI
[12:35:49] <IchGuckLive> i know
[12:35:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: also comes down to price, a cheap 445nm laser can engrave wood nicely
[12:36:09] <IchGuckLive> speed is always the factor
[12:37:05] <CaptHindsight> I don't work with wood, lets see what the numbers and people say
[12:37:17] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I need to engrave 2x2" wood within (lets say) 10 minutes or less.
[12:38:06] <Jymmm> Of course artwork as optimized as possible.
[12:38:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.telesis.com/pdf/Laser_Selection_Guide.pdf
[12:38:30] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: a negativ picture or positiv path
[12:38:52] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: pos
[12:39:07] <IchGuckLive> at linewide 0.1mm yu can get max 300mm/min
[12:39:15] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Well, could be both, but I am flexible
[12:39:43] <IchGuckLive> at 20USD overall cost
[12:39:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dixoneng.com/Videos/Laser%20Technology%20Comparison_111406_Rev8.pdf
[12:39:54] <CaptHindsight> good cost comparison ^^
[12:40:22] <CaptHindsight> looks like longer wavelengths for wood
[12:40:22] <IchGuckLive> if you realy want good result you need a CO2 20W tube
[12:40:42] <IchGuckLive> this gives you about 2000mm/min
[12:41:05] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: I have a 30W CO2, RF Excited, air cooled =)
[12:41:20] <IchGuckLive> and the best effect is no wood material refine
[12:41:33] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: is it broken
[12:42:18] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Not as soon as I make a phone call today and spend $1200 to replace the cartridge =)
[12:42:54] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: The laser diode is for another application, I just have no clue on the diode laser is all
[12:43:03] <IchGuckLive> i did a 4 laser connection to 1 point and that give me enoph power for realy with wood
[12:43:08] <IchGuckLive> white
[12:43:30] <IchGuckLive> the 3D printer did the job of connecting the laser modules
[12:44:50] <Jymmm> I'm aware of what a 30W CO2 is capable of, just not these diode lasers, and which wavelength is best for marking wood.
[12:45:31] <IchGuckLive> co2 is the best on mark and cut
[12:45:34] <pcw_home> I have a 120W FC diode laser I wonder if that can be focused
[12:45:42] <IchGuckLive> the others are only play
[12:45:56] <Jymmm> pcw_home: fiber?
[12:46:12] <pcw_home> Fiber Coupled
[12:46:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: this is good exercise, find the lowest cost solution, based on wavelength, power and lens
[12:46:44] <CaptHindsight> even a UV laser can mark wood but the cost of optics will be really high even though the diode is cheap
[12:46:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm trying to avoid buying 15 different diode lasers, if at all possible.
[12:46:58] <pcw_home> its actually 8x 15W lasers with all the fibers bunded
[12:47:06] <Jymmm> pcw_home: ah
[12:47:24] <CaptHindsight> if you can focus them all cheaply
[12:47:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Googling brings up a lot of the kiddie hype sadly, thus why I was asking.
[12:48:09] <pcw_home> Got it from UCB's surplus years ago and have been afraid to turn it on
[12:48:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If I can get $30 lipstick laser, I'm good. Easy to replace when fails.
[12:48:41] <IchGuckLive> you can sell it for 10times the price now
[12:49:14] <IchGuckLive> lipstick laser may be a fake LED
[12:50:44] <CaptHindsight> have to go But I'll search later
[12:51:10] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: thanks
[12:51:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what is the line width required?
[12:52:13] <CaptHindsight> what res do you need for wood?
[12:52:54] <Jymmm> 0.015" I would guess
[12:53:23] <Jymmm> I think anything beyond 200DPI would be too slow
[12:54:42] <Jymmm> 200DPI = 0.005" so maybe I'm way off key here
[12:55:13] <IchGuckLive> depends on focus speed
[12:55:48] <IchGuckLive> constent speed negativ image gives me 0.1mm
[12:56:22] <Jymmm> 0.1mm == 0.004"
[12:56:54] <Jymmm> so about the same
[12:57:07] <IchGuckLive> yes 254dpi
[12:58:14] <CaptHindsight> wow we just got the E350M1 latency jitter down to <2K
[12:58:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: superglued the connector in place?
[12:58:36] <IchGuckLive> the new 3.6 RT
[12:59:10] <CaptHindsight> using 3.4.55 RTAI and isolating the irq's to the first code only
[12:59:36] <CaptHindsight> servo thread is at 4800
[12:59:39] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[13:00:03] <CaptHindsight> have to go back and retry the other AMD boards now
[13:00:32] <Jymmm> Ok, the lens on my 30W laser is 0.005" spot size.
[13:00:51] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: did you look into the wiki hardware list to get a good finding
[13:01:46] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: that woudt give me a nice overhang
[13:01:57] <IchGuckLive> overlap
[13:02:14] <Jymmm> of?
[13:02:16] <IchGuckLive> as i step 0.1 or 0.004"
[13:02:25] <Jymmm> ah
[13:03:04] <IchGuckLive> on myne this woudt make a black lined image on yours it may be white lined
[13:03:10] <Jymmm> Well, I'll have to wait and see till I get the new laser cartidge and test this wood at various ppi/dpi/pwr/spd
[13:03:21] <CaptHindsight> lair82: we should be able to knock your scores down by 1/2 - 1/4th now on that new asrock
[13:03:46] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: N68
[13:04:00] <IchGuckLive> am2
[13:04:50] <IchGuckLive> Mainbord asrock n68pv-gs shot at ebay today for 5,5Euro
[13:05:30] <IchGuckLive> i got some AMD athlon 64 x2 dual 5000+ here for free
[13:05:47] <IchGuckLive> i think at least 12 in the tray
[13:06:04] <CaptHindsight> I can't sell customers used hardware as new, for some reason the courts frown on that :)
[13:06:40] <IchGuckLive> 2 years warrenty at resell on the fujitsu second hand
[13:07:08] <IchGuckLive> thats what i use for the Universety and the people asking me
[13:07:34] <IchGuckLive> ok im not you and i do no servos
[13:08:30] <IchGuckLive> infact even the large plasmas are in complete electronic price less then 1 800W servo unit
[13:09:11] <CaptHindsight> 1849 max on the 25uS thread
[13:09:37] <IchGuckLive> did you plug and unplag a USB item to see if it is stable
[13:09:45] <CaptHindsight> 4911 on the 1mS servo thread
[13:10:04] <IchGuckLive> how many GLXgears are on at what framerate
[13:10:11] <CaptHindsight> yes, even plays flash video in browsers without jumping
[13:10:14] <pcw_home> also the latency test is a bit optimistic
[13:10:44] <IchGuckLive> that is rewaly a good pc
[13:10:47] <pcw_home> (its great until you actually do any I/O)
[13:11:10] <CaptHindsight> can't hurt
[13:11:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1/index.asp?cat=
[13:12:20] <CaptHindsight> were $65 on newegg
[13:12:31] <CaptHindsight> now i need to find a replacement
[13:12:33] <pcw_home> Its always a good thing to minimise (since interrupt latency adds to hardware latencies)
[13:13:07] <CaptHindsight> also have $10 EPP PCIe cards from China now
[13:13:33] <CaptHindsight> will be testing it with steppers later
[13:14:00] <pcw_home> anything should work for step/dir
[13:19:25] <IchGuckLive> step dir needs only 50k latency to get a good performence
[13:19:48] <IchGuckLive> even 100k pc can give you 1000mm/min speed
[13:20:05] <archivist> bollocks
[13:20:05] <skunkworks> well - depends on the step rate.... (step/unit...)
[13:20:32] <skunkworks> and I agree with archivist... :)
[13:21:08] <CaptHindsight> jumped way up to 1985 on 25uS
[13:22:46] <maZer`-> hi all :)
[13:23:29] <IchGuckLive> hi
[13:23:43] <maZer`-> i have a small problem on my machine, if i change output_scale from -10 to 10 then the machine drive from alone.. :D
[13:23:45] <maZer`-> also from self
[13:23:48] <IchGuckLive> maZer`-: German
[13:23:55] <maZer`-> yes
[13:24:05] <IchGuckLive> im in kaiserslautern
[13:24:05] <maZer`-> can i speak german
[13:24:17] <IchGuckLive> lets go querry hit my name
[13:27:48] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: he got a servo mashine on a 5i2ß so im off as i only got stepeprs someone shoudt jump in and get the issue solved
[13:28:31] <IchGuckLive> i told hiom to upload the ini and the hal
[13:28:48] <IchGuckLive> http://pastebin.com/KsVa5XGB
[13:29:13] <maZer`-> yes its a newbie configuration :( maybe many things wrong
[13:31:05] <pcw_home> If you have a servo interface the first thing is to get the drive enables
[13:31:07] <pcw_home> working then input scale correct then the output scale
[13:31:38] <maZer`-> ok but is there a trick to get it correct? :(
[13:31:47] <pcw_home> if it runs away, you have the feedback direction backwards
[13:32:21] <pcw_home> are the input scales correct?
[13:32:31] <maZer`-> you mean on the servo drivers?
[13:32:39] <maZer`-> also meassure ad signal on servo controller?
[13:33:41] <pcw_home> First you get the input scale correct with drives disabled (tha is the Axis DRO reads correctly)
[13:34:35] <maZer`-> ahhh you mean input scale of the linear encoders?
[13:35:35] <pcw_home> Yes, that the first step, make sure encoder direction and scaling are correct
[13:36:33] <maZer`-> ahhh okok because i changed the direction of the output :D
[13:37:16] <maZer`-> ok
[13:39:51] <lair82> CaptHindsight , how so???
[13:40:17] <CaptHindsight> isolating the irq's to one cpu
[13:40:22] <maZer`-> pcw_home i changed encoder_scale to -1000 and now its correct
[13:40:26] <maZer`-> now the machine dont drive away
[13:41:32] <CaptHindsight> lair82:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/german/forum/18-computer/25927-reducing-latency-on-multicore-pcs-success?limitstart=0
[13:41:58] <CaptHindsight> lair82:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/16436/irqstuff.zip
[13:42:30] <CaptHindsight> lair82: kernel options "isolcpus=1 acpi_irq_nobalance noirqbalance"
[13:42:39] <lair82> OK, I saw that on the forum, and un-installed the irqbalance with the package manager, but didn't go thru with the rest of it.
[13:42:51] <lair82> Will be adding that as well now.
[13:43:00] <CaptHindsight> we did and dropped from 8K to under 2K
[13:43:04] <pcw_home> maZer: Are the machine coordinates correct? (changin the encoder scale sign will reverse the machine coordinates)
[13:43:37] <lair82> Wow, thats pretty good!!
[13:43:52] <lair82> Same board as mine?
[13:44:11] <CaptHindsight> lair82: just hot 2066 on the 25uS thread after 1 hour
[13:44:17] <CaptHindsight> hot/hit
[13:44:50] <pcw_home> Which is why you set input scale (encoder scale) properly first and then set the output scale so
[13:44:51] <pcw_home> you have negative feedback (no runaway)
[13:44:58] <CaptHindsight> on the E350m1 but the previous scores were nearly identical to yours
[13:45:05] <CaptHindsight> lair82: ^^
[13:45:42] <lair82> Very nice, these look like pretty good boards then!!!
[13:45:57] <lair82> What processor?
[13:46:17] <CaptHindsight> onboard E359 APU no socket
[13:46:26] <CaptHindsight> but they are suddenly harder to get
[13:46:41] <CaptHindsight> looking for a replacement now with newer chipset
[13:46:55] <lair82> Did you get one of those A10's?
[13:47:11] <CaptHindsight> I have several A10's
[13:47:24] <lair82> Oh,
[13:47:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microcenter.com/product/412853/FM2A75M-ITX_Rev_20_Socket_FM2_A75_mITX_Motherboard but getting old
[13:48:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microcenter.com/product/423653/GA-F2A88XN-WIFI_FM2_A88X_Mini_ITX_AMD_Motherboard a bit pricey and has wifi :/
[13:49:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microcenter.com/product/431439/AM1B-ITX_LGA__AMD1_Sockets_A_-_E_Quad_Core_mITX_AMD_Motherboard low cost but with older AM1 socket
[13:49:39] <lair82> What happens when they no longer supply standard PCI slots? They look like they are getting more seldom.
[13:49:58] <lair82> Or is that not the case?
[13:50:16] <CaptHindsight> gone from AMD mini-itx for a while
[13:50:34] <CaptHindsight> either need a larger board or use PCIe FPGA
[13:51:49] <lair82> pcw_home, what would we need to do to use PCIe, all of our machines use the 5I23
[13:52:13] <lair82> Just for future reference.
[13:52:59] <CaptHindsight> how many IO do you use?
[13:53:11] <CaptHindsight> we use the 6i25 PCIe fpga
[13:53:52] <CaptHindsight> 6i68 when we need lots more IO
[13:55:45] <lair82> I run that then go thru a 7I44 then have 2-7I70's 1-7I71 and a 7I73
[13:57:40] <lair82> Here is a link to my latest build,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/27099-cincinnati-milacron-12qx60q-retrofit
[14:01:06] <lair82> And this is the one before that, this is the one thats gonna get the new ASRock board,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/26348-2nd-cinci-up-and-running
[14:02:25] <CaptHindsight> I've been looking back into using real time ethernet since the non-PCI MAC's are fast enough
[14:05:09] <CaptHindsight> but that's another big project :(
[14:05:38] <jdh> where?
[14:09:58] <PCW> lair82: PCI is still available on some MiniITX MBs (Asus J1800i-A, Gigabyte J1900DV3)
[14:10:17] <PCW> or use a 6I24
[14:10:31] <PCW> or Ethernet like 7I80HD
[14:12:59] <lair82> I don't really have a preference mini-itx vs micro-atx like that new board we just bought, but looking at alternatives. Also if things go well with that new Asrock, I am going to change over my other two machines
[14:13:58] <PCW> many mcro-atx have PCI
[14:14:07] <lair82> That creates a problem though, and thats why I was wondering, if you look at the pics in the links I just posted, I shoehorn these builds together to conserve space, and I think it looks better that way.
[14:14:56] <CaptHindsight> lots of various atx with PCI, it's mini-itx that tends to only offer PCIe
[14:15:19] <lair82> So fitting this new Micro-atx board into my builds that utilize the mini-itx now, it creates a a little bit of a dilema
[14:16:31] <CaptHindsight> yeah, that's why I'm searching for new mini-itx alternative as well
[14:16:44] <lair82> For my next build I'm going to probably just get another of the ASRock boards I just bought.
[14:17:04] <CaptHindsight> coreboot, small size, low latency, power is not even an issue
[14:17:52] <CaptHindsight> non-intel is also on my list
[14:18:10] <lair82> We have a 24" OD 100" between centers, 52,500lb Cincinatti milacron waiting in the wings to get retro-fitted!!!!!!!!!
[14:18:43] <skunkworks> one of these days...
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cincinnatimi/cinclathe.JPG
[14:19:08] <CaptHindsight> I'm looking for a cnc lathe to redo
[14:19:23] <lair82> Along with our first VMC sometime in the near future.
[14:19:55] <lair82> skunkworks, what model/vintage is that??
[14:20:07] <skunkworks> I don't know off the top of my head...
[14:20:15] <PCW> The J1800 MBs will be hard to beat once supported better (no fan, fast PCI if needed)
[14:20:28] <skunkworks> I think they were delivered to a local company in 73..
[14:20:32] <CaptHindsight> most of our stuff is small but lots of axis with servos and attachments
[14:20:57] <lair82> Local as in where?
[14:21:18] <lair82> We have a lot of big iron in our shop.
[14:22:27] <skunkworks> western wi
[14:23:15] <skunkworks> it had an acromatic V control on it
[14:23:55] <lair82> Ah, I see, yeah by what I have seen, that would be an early to mid 70's
[14:24:09] <skunkworks> it has hydraulic servos on it..
[14:24:25] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cincinnatimi/piston.JPG
[14:25:01] <lair82> That sounds/looks like a whole bunch of fun
[14:25:08] <skunkworks> :)
[14:25:42] <skunkworks> 50hp spindle - but we sold that motor..
[14:26:16] <lair82> Pretty good size machine the way it looks
[15:51:28] <Deejay> gn8
[16:03:19] <maZer`-> hello :)
[16:03:25] <maZer`-> i got a problem with my y axis
[16:03:55] <maZer`-> if i home it he drives to y+ and hit the end switch, but he not return to search the index on linear encoders
[16:34:33] <Jymmm> Bah I hate plumbing
[16:35:23] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: why?
[16:35:32] <Loetmichel> i like plumbing as a work
[16:35:35] <Jymmm> Well, I like WORKING plumbing, hate no worky plumbing!
[16:35:41] <Loetmichel> ... the waste water not so much ;-)
[16:35:50] <Jymmm> clog drain
[16:35:55] <Jymmm> for days
[16:36:03] <Jymmm> sulfuric acid
[16:36:08] <Jymmm> enzymes for days
[16:36:17] <Loetmichel> sulfuric acid?
[16:36:17] <Jymmm> boiing water
[16:36:20] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[16:36:24] <Jymmm> 25ft snake
[16:36:27] <Jymmm> nada
[16:36:33] <Loetmichel> i would use NaOH pellets
[16:36:37] <Loetmichel> much of them
[16:36:48] <Loetmichel> works better in my opinion
[16:37:11] <Jymmm> than sulfuric acid?
[16:37:15] <Jymmm> 85%
[16:37:15] <Loetmichel> yes
[16:37:25] <Loetmichel> for organic clogs
[16:37:36] <Jymmm> I think roots are involved
[16:37:47] <Loetmichel> put im some aluminium shavings and you got drano ;-)
[16:38:10] <Jymmm> I already used liquid NaOH
[16:38:53] <Loetmichel> snake = high pressure water hose wit rotating nozzle?
[16:39:04] <Loetmichel> oder spiral wire with "drill head"?
[16:39:30] <Jymmm> 1/4" wire spiral
[16:39:57] <Jymmm> one of those hand jobbies
[16:41:24] <maZer`-> if i home it he drives to y+ and hit the end switch, but he not return to search the index on linear encoders
[16:41:24] <Loetmichel> maybe the clog is further down the drain than the spiral can reach?
[16:41:43] <Loetmichel> hmm
[16:41:48] <Loetmichel> why do you home to y+?
[16:42:13] <Loetmichel> normaly the home switch is mounted at y0?
[16:42:27] <maZer`-> yes i watching in hal monitor
[16:42:29] <maZer`-> the switches
[16:42:42] <maZer`-> and the machine drive to y+ and hit the pos sw-limit switch
[16:45:31] <maZer`-> if i move the direction and do home search on y with -y then it works
[16:46:17] <Jymmm> LoetmichelYeah, I'm suspecting as much.
[16:50:46] <maZer`-> does somebody can tell me where i can find the file where is declared wich pin have wich function on mesa card
[16:56:45] <Jymmm> Loetmichel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhORLiiij3I
[17:01:52] <micges> maZer`-: what card?
[17:04:38] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: thats why putting aluminium shavings in the lye will eat away any clog much faster
[17:04:50] <Loetmichel> the produced heat and H2 of the reaction
[17:05:35] <Jymmm> ah
[18:22:13] <zeeshan> hi =D
[18:35:38] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/hRaDOeZ.jpg
[18:35:39] <zeeshan> finally
[18:35:40] <zeeshan> theyre made
[18:35:41] <zeeshan> =D
[18:36:01] <zeeshan> jusst gotta build the hub
[18:40:49] <maZer`-> im back :D
[18:41:42] <maZer`-> does someone know how i can switch default to mm?
[18:41:49] <zeeshan> yea
[18:41:52] <zeeshan> stepconf! :P
[18:42:04] <maZer`-> hehe
[18:42:08] <zeeshan> ull have to change all the values
[18:42:10] <maZer`-> have servo
[18:42:10] <maZer`-> :D
[18:42:11] <zeeshan> for your stepper stuiff
[18:42:15] <zeeshan> you can do it in pncconf
[18:42:37] <maZer`-> in entered all values in mm
[18:43:00] <maZer`-> and it works good but if i use g-code he uses for default inch not mm
[18:43:10] <maZer`-> g0 g1...
[18:46:26] <zeeshan> yes
[18:47:36] <maZer`-> there must be another way then use pnc conf again. always i run pncconf and open my configuration damage it..
[18:50:21] <Valen> just edit the file
[18:50:29] <Valen> in a text editor
[18:50:48] <zeeshan> its not that simple
[18:50:54] <zeeshan> cause all his servo stuff will be in inches
[18:51:15] <zeeshan> he'll have to do the appropriate conversion to convert
[18:51:33] <Valen> there is an automagic config for servo now?
[18:51:49] <zeeshan> has been for a while :P
[18:51:50] <zeeshan> pncconf
[18:57:06] <maZer`-> hmm :D
[18:57:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/b8c9QUv.jpg
[18:57:24] <zeeshan> finally picked up another tool cabinet
[18:57:27] <zeeshan> 25$!
[18:57:31] <zeeshan> itll hold drill bits
[18:57:34] <zeeshan> and cutting tools :D
[18:58:31] <Valen> btw a tip for you, miniorb is great to put in the base of that kinda thing
[18:58:47] <zeeshan> why
[18:58:50] <Valen> you can use it to roughly sort the bits by size
[18:58:58] <zeeshan> ohh
[18:59:04] <ChuangTzu> that almost looks like a card catalog
[18:59:06] <zeeshan> i was thinking of just putting that tool shit
[18:59:10] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: it is
[18:59:13] <ChuangTzu> :D
[18:59:15] <zeeshan> haha
[18:59:19] <zeeshan> its a metal one so its pretty heavy duty
[18:59:22] <ChuangTzu> nice
[18:59:25] <zeeshan> i put a couple of 2" mt bits in it
[18:59:28] <zeeshan> and seems to hold it fine
[18:59:34] <zeeshan> but theyre flopping around
[18:59:44] <zeeshan> where do you get miniorb from
[18:59:56] * Valen is in australia its everywhere
[19:00:16] <zeeshan> ive never seen it in my life ;p
[19:00:33] <zeeshan> you see the material on top of the cabinet?
[19:00:39] <zeeshan> i was planning to put that in each drawer
[19:00:39] <ChuangTzu> i've never heard of miniorb
[19:00:42] <Valen> http://www.hgsitebuilder.com/files/writeable/uploads/hostgator587477/image/img_4462.jpg
[19:00:45] <zeeshan> my gf will do it for me
[19:00:48] <zeeshan> since i dont have patience ;p
[19:00:52] <Valen> see the metal on the side of that
[19:00:56] <Valen> thats miniorb
[19:00:57] <zeeshan> yes
[19:01:00] <zeeshan> thats corrugated sheet metal
[19:01:13] <FrankZappa> corrugated mtl
[19:01:13] <Valen> its corrugated iron, but with much smaller corrugations than normal
[19:01:17] <zeeshan> its usually galvanized
[19:01:25] <ChuangTzu> it's iron?
[19:01:26] <ChuangTzu> not steel?
[19:01:30] <Valen> its steel
[19:01:37] <Valen> people call it iron
[19:01:44] <ChuangTzu> you crazy australians
[19:01:49] <zeeshan> thats silly!
[19:01:49] <ChuangTzu> :)
[19:01:57] <FrankZappa> it's just VVVVVVVVVV
[19:02:11] <Valen> and drill bits and the like sit in the V's nicely
[19:02:25] <zeeshan> i believe aything past 4% carbon is considered iron
[19:02:28] <zeeshan> i forget the exact percentage
[19:02:30] <zeeshan> ;p
[19:02:44] <zeeshan> http://pwatlas.mt.umist.ac.uk/internetmicroscope/components/plug/cover-screw/plug2p.gif
[19:02:49] <zeeshan> 2%
[19:03:14] <zeeshan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Iron_electrolytic_and_1cm3_cube.jpg/800px-Iron_electrolytic_and_1cm3_cube.jpg
[19:03:15] <ChuangTzu> cast iron isn't iron
[19:03:17] <zeeshan> pure iron looks so nice
[19:03:20] <ChuangTzu> iron is an element :)
[19:03:35] <zeeshan> that's true, i dont know whyu i was thinking of cast iron
[19:03:43] <zeeshan> then it makes sense to call it iron, since steel is mostly iron
[19:03:58] <ChuangTzu> but the properties are vastly differnt
[19:03:58] <ChuangTzu> but the properties are vastly differnt
[19:04:00] <ChuangTzu> +e
[19:04:00] <ChuangTzu> +e
[19:04:02] <zeeshan> yessir
[19:04:02] <zeeshan> yessir
[19:04:32] <ChuangTzu> when i think of iron, i think of rusty soft stuff
[19:21:13] <andypugh> It’s “corrugated iron” in the UK too. Except when it is “Wiggly tin” :-)
[19:21:30] <zeeshan> rofl
[19:26:48] <Valen> andypugh: lol that sounds like something from NZ
[19:27:00] <Valen> that wiggly tin is choice as bro!
[19:27:18] <zeeshan> valen
[19:27:22] <zeeshan> i cant find that stuff locally
[19:27:28] <zeeshan> it must be an australian thing ;p
[19:28:01] <Valen> where are you?
[19:28:07] <zeeshan> canada
[19:29:41] <Valen> Corrugated Cellulose Asphalt Roof
[19:29:44] <Valen> wtf?
[19:29:53] <Valen> that sounds like a terrible thing to make a roof out of
[19:30:00] <zeeshan> lol
[19:30:44] <PCW> cardboard with some tar for water resistance and enhanced flammability
[19:32:45] <andypugh> Thatch makes so much more sense :-)
[19:35:51] <Valen> I can't think of many better roofing materials than corrugated steel
[19:36:25] <Valen> I'm hoping for the new house to have a hydraulic concrete prestessed concrete roof
[19:36:35] <Valen> (prestessed so it never cracks)
[19:36:39] <andypugh> We use rocks where I come from :-)
[19:37:17] <andypugh> Flat rocks, of course:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/roof2.jpg
[19:37:40] <Valen> I imagine those go *awesome* in a hailstorm
[19:37:47] <Valen> they use tiles around where i am
[19:38:13] <Valen> which is soooo dumb, we get big hailstorms every few years that take out the roofs for entire suburbs
[19:38:24] <andypugh> We are re-laying some 200 year old ones there. They last pretty well.
[19:38:34] <Valen> get decent hailstorms?
[19:38:40] <andypugh> Yeah.
[19:38:40] <Valen> like bigger than golf ball sized
[19:38:52] <andypugh> Ocasionally.
[19:39:06] <andypugh> The slates are prety thick.
[19:39:10] <Valen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Sydney_hailstorm
[19:39:16] <Valen> I bet the new ones wouldn't be
[19:39:45] <andypugh> They are as thick as the rock splits at.
[19:39:50] <Valen> (thick that is)
[19:42:05] <andypugh> http://www.stoneuk.com/reclaimed-yorkstone-roof-slate/ says 20mm to 35mm thick. Note that they are very much not cheap.
[19:59:00] <zeeshan> valen its hot in your area :p
[19:59:03] <zeeshan> we need to insulate houses!
[20:00:19] <XXCoder1> yo
[20:00:27] <zeeshan> YO!
[20:00:28] <zeeshan> :P
[20:00:41] <XXCoder1> jeez the job I was processing at work was nuts
[20:01:14] <XXCoder1> 15 minutes just to make one part AND one flaw with it is that it needs tiny drill at one part that means I hgve to use cutting oil very often to keep it cool
[20:01:21] <XXCoder1> otherwise it just snaps
[20:01:37] <XXCoder1> my boss keep trying different cutting steps but so far only one that works is shitty one
[20:01:54] <zeeshan> :D
[20:01:58] <zeeshan> what size drill
[20:01:58] <XXCoder1> took me all day to make few parts :P
[20:02:02] <XXCoder1> 1 mm?
[20:02:04] <zeeshan> and depth hole
[20:02:20] <zeeshan> thats dinky
[20:02:26] <zeeshan> WIRE EDM! :P
[20:02:47] <XXCoder1> orginially fully 0.05" but she changed it to 4 cuts at bit more than 1/4 that
[20:02:56] <zeeshan> your boss is a she?
[20:03:07] <XXCoder1> even so, it broke once, I made it work by using lots oil at that stage
[20:03:14] <XXCoder1> of course
[20:03:16] <zeeshan> is she hot
[20:03:21] <Valen> what RPM and material?
[20:03:32] <XXCoder1> 8k alum
[20:03:48] <XXCoder1> zee for older lady yes. Guess shes 50?
[20:04:03] <XXCoder1> but definitely not intersted in dating her.
[20:04:05] <zeeshan> 8k for that drill bit seems slow
[20:04:10] <zeeshan> im calculating 15000 rpm
[20:04:21] <XXCoder1> it could be tiny endmill
[20:04:26] <Valen> is it snapping when you first start or in the hole?
[20:04:26] <zeeshan> youre manually feeding?
[20:04:26] <XXCoder1> didnt look closely
[20:04:43] <XXCoder1> zee nah using cnc router. car sized.
[20:04:48] <zeeshan> ahh
[20:05:20] <XXCoder1> anyway it mostly worked lol
[20:05:28] <zeeshan> luckily
[20:05:33] <zeeshan> the tooling when it small is cheap ;p
[20:05:35] <XXCoder1> I went to do other tasks while it was down
[20:06:01] <XXCoder1> I actually completed 2 deburr jobs while away from cnc lol
[20:06:18] <XXCoder1> small lots, but still lol
[20:06:23] <zeeshan> manual deburring sucks man!
[20:06:31] <zeeshan> i did that for a couple days filling in for a machine operator
[20:06:33] <XXCoder1> meh I had worse jobs
[20:06:41] <zeeshan> i dont know how that operator did it for 8 years
[20:06:55] <XXCoder1> like connect 2 fucking wires in fucking tv for fucking 10 hours a day
[20:07:01] <zeeshan> haha you told me
[20:07:03] <XXCoder1> and being fucking disallowed to stand
[20:07:06] <XXCoder1> yeah
[20:07:45] <XXCoder1> if I worked more than 2 weeks I'd go postal :P Kidding, i'd just quit
[20:08:53] <XXCoder1> anyway found more good wood scrap from work :D
[20:09:12] <XXCoder1> including table part that probably is 2 inch thick and foot wide and 3 feet long
[20:09:40] <XXCoder1> it might be my Y box in future. its so thick it'll be like rock
[20:09:53] <zeeshan> you need to find some scrap aluminum!
[20:09:55] <zeeshan> and give it to me :D
[20:10:04] <XXCoder1> TOOONS alum scrap there
[20:10:09] <XXCoder1> cant take any arrrrgh
[20:10:14] <zeeshan> i'd really like some 1/2" plate
[20:10:33] <XXCoder1> we dont usually deal with anything that need to be thicker than 0.05"
[20:10:43] <zeeshan> oh so sheets only
[20:10:46] <XXCoder1> which is I guess almost 2 mm
[20:11:04] <XXCoder1> though we now has 3 BIG slabs 1/2 in thick
[20:11:09] <zeeshan> why are you talking in mm
[20:11:12] <zeeshan> youre in amerika!
[20:11:30] <XXCoder1> from what I gather its rare. guess thats why we got car sized cnc lol
[20:11:42] <XXCoder1> zee I do prefer STL units lol
[20:13:20] <ChuangTzu> is that the same as SI?
[20:13:27] <XXCoder1> err SI yes LOL
[20:13:58] <zeeshan> im in canada, ive learned all my studies in si units
[20:14:09] <zeeshan> but i havent built a 'sense' for si
[20:14:17] <zeeshan> like if you said 300 mpa vs 30ksi
[20:14:21] <ChuangTzu> i pretty much use them both interchangably
[20:14:24] <zeeshan> i have a good feel for 30ksi
[20:14:35] <XXCoder1> same here. usa dont teach it well unless enter college
[20:14:35] <zeeshan> but for the mpa, id have to divide
[20:14:42] <ChuangTzu> pressure units are a cluster fuck
[20:14:52] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: for fluids i only use metric
[20:15:06] <zeeshan> for material strength, design, i use imperial
[20:15:10] <zeeshan> fuck slugs!!!!!
[20:15:34] <zeeshan> also heat transfer W/m^2*K is a lot better than BTU non sense
[20:16:32] <ChuangTzu> Pa, psia, psig, atm, mmHg, inHg, cmH2O, inH2O, msw, torr, sthene....
[20:16:33] <ChuangTzu> etc
[20:16:37] <ChuangTzu> it's a fuckfest of units
[20:16:39] <zeeshan> i like psi
[20:16:49] <zeeshan> but luckily those units are easy to convert between
[20:16:55] <zeeshan> well the main ones.
[20:19:05] <ChuangTzu> no idea why Torr is so god damn common in vacuum stuff
[20:19:08] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: do you have micrometers?
[20:19:22] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: ive only seen torr in chemistry
[20:19:31] <XXCoder1> nah
[20:19:43] <zeeshan> in fluid books they seem to use mmHg or inHg
[20:19:46] <XXCoder1> well i bought one but its shitty lol
[20:19:56] <ChuangTzu> in chem lab, we used mbar for vacuum stuff
[20:20:00] <ChuangTzu> in physics we use torr though
[20:20:02] <zeeshan> where do you live?
[20:20:04] <ChuangTzu> usa
[20:20:09] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: !
[20:20:28] <ChuangTzu> not even convenient torr values
[20:20:31] <XXCoder1> usa usa usa usa usa usa usa machine gun god usa usausa UUSSSASASIUSUUAMBKMHG :P
[20:20:33] <ChuangTzu> but like 10^-7 torr
[20:20:39] <zeeshan> lol
[20:20:40] <zeeshan> where in usa
[20:20:41] <ChuangTzu> i went to school in europe though
[20:20:43] <ChuangTzu> same thing
[20:20:50] <ChuangTzu> well half in us and half in europe
[20:20:54] <XXCoder1> thankfully more liberal state
[20:21:01] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: no wonder you're good with both systems
[20:21:02] <ChuangTzu> i've lived all over usa
[20:21:05] <zeeshan> and have a feel for both
[20:21:07] <ChuangTzu> well i studied physics
[20:21:17] <ChuangTzu> so that was all SI even in usa
[20:21:24] <ChuangTzu> but yeah, that helped too
[20:21:51] <zeeshan> i just go insane when people say 1mm sheet
[20:22:02] <zeeshan> cause i either understand gauge or fractions ;p
[20:22:05] <ChuangTzu> hehe
[20:22:09] <ChuangTzu> 0.04
[20:22:19] <ChuangTzu> that works too right?
[20:22:21] <zeeshan> yes
[20:22:24] <ChuangTzu> 40mil
[20:22:29] <ChuangTzu> :S
[20:22:34] <zeeshan> cause when i think of 40 thou, i think of .0625 which is 1/16 sheet
[20:22:34] <XXCoder1> 1 1/2 mm sheet ;)
[20:22:40] <zeeshan> and get a sense of it
[20:22:49] <zeeshan> 40 mil im lost
[20:22:49] <zeeshan> haha
[20:23:05] <zeeshan> oh 40 mil is 0.04"
[20:23:12] <zeeshan> didnt know
[20:23:21] <ChuangTzu> i deal with film a lot at work, and those guys talk about film thickness in mil
[20:23:38] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: im experimenting on shape memory polymers right now
[20:23:47] <ChuangTzu> but sometimes we have custom films made in thicknesses of several microns
[20:23:47] <zeeshan> they always list em in micrometers =[
[20:23:58] <ChuangTzu> never heard anyone say micrometers though :)
[20:24:01] <zeeshan> they could just tell me 5 thou!
[20:24:27] <zeeshan> microns i need to learn
[20:24:31] <zeeshan> cause that seems to be very common
[20:24:43] <XXCoder1> zee really you can just memorize what 1 mm looks like and can do rough conversions for around that range of sizes
[20:24:50] <ChuangTzu> so we'll have a stack of film layers that consist of various thicknesses in mil and various in microns
[20:24:59] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: stuff like this doesnt sit in my head
[20:25:02] <zeeshan> unless i practically use it
[20:25:04] <ChuangTzu> and we design in mm
[20:25:11] <ChuangTzu> but our mill uses in
[20:25:23] <ChuangTzu> and the lathe uses in too
[20:25:26] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: what kind of films are you making
[20:25:32] <ChuangTzu> light guides
[20:25:52] <zeeshan> very cool
[20:26:22] <ChuangTzu> 2d fiber optics basically
[22:31:11] <Jymmm> cradek: Can parameers be passed via the commandline to postscript that you're aware of?
[22:31:33] <XXCoder1> its open source, you can MAKE it so. ;)
[22:31:43] <XXCoder1> seriouslu dunno (yes I know you didnt ask me lol)
[22:31:53] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: PS is NOT open source. (c) Adobe corp
[22:32:47] <XXCoder1> oh was thinking linuxcnc for some reason
[22:33:17] <Jymmm> ps|gcode|linuxcnc
[22:36:23] <ChuangTzu> ps = post script or photoshop?
[22:36:24] <ChuangTzu> :P
[22:36:36] <Jymmm> PostScript
[22:36:37] <ChuangTzu> when i see ps i think of postscript
[22:37:20] <ChuangTzu> or the process displayer
[22:37:21] <ChuangTzu> :P
[22:38:14] <ChuangTzu> which program are you actually talking about
[22:38:14] <ChuangTzu> ?
[22:38:20] <ChuangTzu> a viewer?
[22:38:54] <Jymmm> PS is a programming language, ppl forget that =)
[22:39:18] <ChuangTzu> yeah, so how can you pass parameters to it
[22:39:22] <ChuangTzu> :S
[22:40:02] <Jymmm> That's what I asked
[22:40:13] <ChuangTzu> you mean a ps compiler?
[22:40:15] <ChuangTzu> a ps viewer?
[22:40:21] <Jymmm> doesn't matter
[22:40:24] <ChuangTzu> a ps2something converter...
[22:40:37] <ChuangTzu> all of those take parameters
[22:40:51] <ChuangTzu> and all are probably open source
[22:42:24] <XXCoder1> yo
[22:42:32] <ChuangTzu> hola
