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[02:03:25] <Deejay> moin
[02:24:34] <Jymmm> Whats the deal with using two different switching PS and the grounds?
[06:09:07] <jthornton> morning
[09:50:55] <Deejay> tach
[09:51:13] <archivist> generator
[10:02:48] <Deejay> hi :)
[10:44:39] <zeeshan> anyone have experience doing a warranty claim through automationtechnologies/cnc4pc?
[11:09:26] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: yes, I walked in the front door and said this is bad. They said let me get you another one. I walked out with a different one.
[11:09:37] <zeeshan> rofl
[11:09:49] <zeeshan> i dunno they referred me to cnc4pc
[11:09:53] <zeeshan> and cnc4pc won't respond
[11:10:12] <XXCoder> man
[11:10:22] <XXCoder> that sucks :( hope you finally get resolution
[11:10:38] <zeeshan> i hope you bought a toroidal supply
[11:10:40] <zeeshan> not a smps!
[11:11:07] <XXCoder> try asking linear why they reffered to cnc4pc
[11:11:10] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: have bad board?
[11:11:16] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: power supply
[11:11:20] <zeeshan> blew up instantly
[11:11:25] <XXCoder> maybe records showed you bought from em when you didnt
[11:11:25] <zeeshan> when i was jogging the stepper
[11:11:40] <zeeshan> i have two dedicated 72vdc power supplies per stepper driver
[11:11:54] <zeeshan> so i swapped the stepper to get powered from the other supply
[11:11:55] <zeeshan> everything was fine
[11:12:11] <zeeshan> so its gotta be a faulty supply
[11:13:10] <XXCoder> and cnc4pc dont see your buy in their record (again because you didnt buy from em) so you get no reply
[11:13:24] <zeeshan> yea
[11:13:55] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you bought it through automation tech (keiling)?
[11:14:01] <zeeshan> yessir
[11:14:10] <CaptHindsight> how long ago
[11:14:15] <zeeshan> jan 15 , 2014
[11:14:18] <zeeshan> warranty is for 12 mo
[11:14:30] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: who did you talk to there?
[11:14:57] <zeeshan> john
[11:15:36] <XXCoder> oh my screws finally shipped. jeez. lol
[11:15:55] <zeeshan> XXCoder: chai is a funny guy
[11:16:05] <zeeshan> he told me my tracking number on the day they actually arrived
[11:16:06] <zeeshan> :D
[11:16:13] <XXCoder> lol
[11:16:13] <zeeshan> he usually ships same day / next day
[11:16:16] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I'd call him tomorrow again and let him know what happened with cnc4pc
[11:16:33] <zeeshan> okay i will
[11:16:37] <XXCoder> hope it means it will arrive tomorrow
[11:16:52] <CaptHindsight> ask him to help, he gets lots of referrals from us
[11:17:45] <CaptHindsight> he heads back to China to check on qc a few times a year so he knows what it's like to get bad parts
[11:18:16] <zeeshan> i really wanna take it apart to see what blew
[11:18:20] <zeeshan> but that'll void the warranty :P
[11:19:14] <XXCoder> heh which is worth more, cursitity or money ;)
[11:19:30] <zeeshan> im not too curious lol
[11:19:34] <zeeshan> smps are too complicated for me
[11:19:40] <zeeshan> i rather have a toroidal supply
[11:19:50] <zeeshan> cause theyre much easier to fix since they're simpler
[11:20:44] <XXCoder> lol ok
[11:34:33] <XXCoder> built in sucide
http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/batman-table-1.jpg
[11:34:39] <XXCoder> or murder weapon lol
[11:37:35] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:37:54] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: ultimately cnc4pc has the responsibility to honor the warranty
[11:38:37] <XXCoder> hey ich
[11:38:58] <CaptHindsight> all the boards I have from them came with machines and I'd consider them to be good for toys or proof of concepts, not even for a proto
[11:40:23] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: this dependa only on opto chip quality
[11:40:54] <XXCoder> it does depend on what for I guess
[11:41:06] <XXCoder> it probably would be fine for "rerap" quality cnc
[11:41:11] <XXCoder> like mine
[11:41:53] <IchGuckLive> everything above TB6560 is good for you
[11:42:22] <zeeshan> i dunno their stepper and stepper drivers
[11:42:25] <zeeshan> seem to be working well
[11:42:30] <zeeshan> cnc4pc boards are working well too
[11:42:31] <CaptHindsight> I like the tb6560 boards for the birdsong :)
[11:42:59] <IchGuckLive> modified ones are good original is a nightmare
[11:44:10] <CaptHindsight> why do you suppose they just don't make the part value changes at the factory to improve step rate and lower noise and chatter?
[11:45:00] <CaptHindsight> they already own 765,347 pieces of the wrong value caps?
[11:45:11] <IchGuckLive> nema 17 or the micro steppers dont need this as the board is disigned for 45Deg 4S/rev steppers
[11:45:51] <IchGuckLive> the boards are not designed for the tb6560
[11:46:15] <IchGuckLive> the internal diod of the tb6560 is 100 times faster then the Fr304 onboard
[11:46:44] <IchGuckLive> pop all out and you gain 10 times speed
[11:47:14] <IchGuckLive> get UFD5404 in and you got 50V support and savty proof
[11:47:33] <CaptHindsight> so it's an old design just using the the newer Toshiba driver?
[11:47:59] <IchGuckLive> dont know what chip the design is for
[11:48:25] <IchGuckLive> the design is new but the conception is not from a electronic like our loetmichel
[11:48:53] <IchGuckLive> why change if it is soled as fresh sliced bread
[11:49:11] <IchGuckLive> production cost below 5USD 3Axis sold at 10USD
[11:49:49] <IchGuckLive> so everyone in the shiping and selling row makes profit
[12:17:04] <IchGuckLive> jmyer: hi how is the weather in Waterbury,Connecticut
[12:33:31] <IchGuckLive> sliptonic: this has been a fastbreak !
[12:43:54] <zq> zultron: hello, are you around?
[12:44:16] <zultron> Hi zq! Sorry I misread your patch.
[12:44:27] <zq> zultron: i have a better fix for mk's #199, but i can't figure out how to submit another commit
[12:44:32] <zultron> (I assume you're bryant.)
[12:44:35] <zq> should i just paste here?
[12:44:37] <zq> yes, i am
[12:44:55] <zultron> Please send another PR. Want help walking through it?
[12:54:50] <zeeshan> 'The problem is that he is probably connecting the power supply directly to the driver and these power supplies need a buffer. You need to use capacitors to absorb the current coming from the motors. I always recommend customers using these power supplies to get the set of capacitors:
http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=613 '
[12:55:04] <zeeshan> apparently you cant connect a smps directly to a driver
[12:55:04] <zeeshan> wtf
[13:06:50] <archivist> hehe
[13:07:02] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[13:07:02] <XXCoder> thats how you blew one up?
[13:07:15] <zeeshan> apparently
[13:07:21] <zeeshan> im not sure how the other one hasnt blown up yet
[13:07:26] <archivist> bollocks
[13:08:22] <IchGuckLive> the meanwell got realy good backup cap
[13:10:19] <archivist> explain some consumer law and fitness for purpose
[13:10:50] <zeeshan> what kind of ghetto power supply is this
[13:10:53] <zeeshan> needs an external snubber circuit
[13:11:05] <zeeshan> and is being sold as a stepper power supply..
[13:11:26] <XXCoder> makes me wonder about my cheap power supply
[13:11:40] <archivist> you are being fobbed off, complain
[13:11:53] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: you shoudt start with a meanwell
[13:11:55] <zeeshan> archivist: yea im not backing off!
[13:12:23] <XXCoder> ich I already has a kit you reffered me to :)
[13:12:27] <XXCoder> it orks well.
[13:12:35] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[13:12:40] <XXCoder> still need few more parts though. ball screw kit finally shipped
[13:13:15] <IchGuckLive> so now a 20/25 pulley timingbelt and you are in business
[13:13:16] <XXCoder> still need zero backlash couplers, nema 23 mounts
[13:13:49] <IchGuckLive> 600 steps 5mm
[13:13:54] <IchGuckLive> 500
[13:14:06] <IchGuckLive> dark here at the keybpoard O.O
[13:14:11] <XXCoder> of course still need router and drill press lol (latter is to help me drill holes very stright)
[13:14:47] <IchGuckLive> straight drills are a big gifed
[13:18:55] <zeeshan> yea
[13:19:06] <XXCoder> gifed?
[13:19:12] <zeeshan> look at this frigging 'c58' capicators snubber circuit
[13:19:12] <zeeshan> ROFL
[13:19:16] <zeeshan> it uses 80VDC caps
[13:19:23] <zeeshan> and its meant to handle a 72Vdc supply
[13:19:29] <zeeshan> very nice safety factor there
[13:19:30] <zeeshan> ..
[13:19:51] <XXCoder> probably made to handle noise
[13:20:00] <archivist> running caps close to limit is ok for electrolytics
[13:20:12] <zeeshan> if the back emf is more than 80vdc
[13:20:14] <zeeshan> they are toast
[13:20:27] <zeeshan> like from a stepper crashing into spindle
[13:20:30] <zeeshan> :P
[13:20:43] <archivist> nah they would be charging and hold it well below
[13:21:01] <zeeshan> sorry im used to mech stuff
[13:21:10] <zeeshan> if its a 100lb force, we design for at least 3 times!
[13:21:11] <zeeshan> :P
[13:21:14] <archivist> the charging current kills them :)
[13:21:40] <zeeshan> i'm not buying anything but steppers or stepper drivers from automation technologies again
[13:21:47] <zeeshan> theyre just a frigging retailer for cnc4pc
[13:22:08] <archivist> dunno who is who with that pair
[13:25:12] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: my plasma got a 1200lbs YZ
[13:25:30] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: i dont understand
[13:25:43] <IchGuckLive> at mema 23 movement
[13:25:54] <zeeshan> im sure its not direct drive
[13:25:54] <zeeshan> :P
[13:25:58] <XXCoder> language barrier is tough sometimes
[13:26:03] <IchGuckLive> 30:1
[13:26:09] <zeeshan> XXCoder: hehe
[13:26:17] <zeeshan> everytime IchGuckLive talks, im lost
[13:26:22] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/jApkUWQ.jpg
[13:26:23] <XXCoder> you menioned timing belt
[13:26:33] <zeeshan> guys, check this out
[13:26:35] <XXCoder> zeeshan: holy shit
[13:26:38] <zeeshan> see the controller box in the back?
[13:26:40] <XXCoder> is that same shop??
[13:26:43] <zeeshan> yea
[13:26:49] <zeeshan> where should i mount my controller box?
[13:26:50] <XXCoder> I remember firs pic. it was shitty
[13:26:51] <zeeshan> i have 2 spots for it
[13:27:01] <zeeshan> either above the power distribution panel
[13:27:01] <zeeshan> or
[13:27:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BfubhRA.jpg
[13:27:12] <zeeshan> bottom left
[13:27:26] <XXCoder> your box has air intakes?
[13:27:29] <zeeshan> the thing i like about mounting it on top of the distro panel is itll be well away from chips
[13:27:32] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yes it will
[13:27:42] <zeeshan> thatrs why im thinking of mounting it high
[13:27:43] <zeeshan> rather than low
[13:27:45] <XXCoder> well good factor to consider
[13:27:47] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: the Leadshie are to close to etch other
[13:28:06] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: theyre 1" apart
[13:28:19] <zeeshan> that box is a 24x24
[13:28:22] <zeeshan> or 30x30
[13:28:23] <zeeshan> i forget
[13:28:24] <IchGuckLive> http://foengarage.de/mesa_elek.jpg
[13:28:24] <zeeshan> its big
[13:28:35] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: those drives in your box
[13:28:38] <zeeshan> are twice the size of mine
[13:28:42] <IchGuckLive> i got a cooler in beetween
[13:28:51] <zeeshan> this are kl8070d
[13:28:52] <zeeshan> drives
[13:28:54] <zeeshan> '32' bit'
[13:29:09] <XXCoder> wonder if I could use power supply to power fans
[13:29:11] <zeeshan> they produce less heat
[13:29:16] <zeeshan> XXCoder: you can.
[13:29:25] <zeeshan> im tapping my fans off the 12V supply
[13:29:52] <XXCoder> cool. need to make sure they turn off when its unpowered. also need to get a method to turn it on and off besides plug and unplug lol
[13:30:09] <zeeshan> use an auxuillary disconnect switch
[13:30:13] <XXCoder> https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/q72/s720x720/1510923_430750957069813_7509386805377251206_n.jpg
[13:30:14] <zeeshan> the big red knob
[13:30:37] <zeeshan> i like your enclosure
[13:30:43] <zeeshan> looks very much like my first enclosure!
[13:30:43] <zeeshan> :D
[13:30:48] <XXCoder> advanced tech. can soda box.
[13:30:58] <zeeshan> mine was all resting in a motherboard box
[13:30:59] <zeeshan> haha
[13:31:12] <XXCoder> and box controller is in is ironically power box on side's orginial box
[13:31:29] <IchGuckLive> ok im off for Today zeeshan sorry for language issues
[13:31:34] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: its okay :D
[13:31:35] <XXCoder> have fun
[13:31:38] <zeeshan> i'm sure if i tried to speak german
[13:31:45] <zeeshan> you'd have issues understanding me :d
[13:31:51] <XXCoder> well my native language has NO written form
[13:31:55] <XXCoder> so i can't even try
[13:32:35] <XXCoder> there was silly attempts to make ASL written form, it looks sorta like eyptian - picture icons
[13:32:37] <XXCoder> useless
[13:32:46] <zeeshan> lol
[13:32:48] <zeeshan> whats asl
[13:32:55] <zeeshan> sign language
[13:32:59] <zeeshan> you're deaf?
[13:32:59] <XXCoder> american sign language
[13:33:03] <XXCoder> yeah
[13:33:07] <zeeshan> i got a sign for ou!
[13:33:10] <zeeshan> 'middle finger'
[13:33:10] <zeeshan> :D
[13:33:17] <zeeshan> we speak the same language
[13:33:22] <XXCoder> lol
[13:33:27] <XXCoder> I got number for you
[13:33:46] <XXCoder> base 2 for number 4. two of em ;)
[13:33:46] <zeeshan> are you completely deaf
[13:34:23] <XXCoder> yeah which is apparently pretty rare. many has tiny trace of hearing left
[13:34:28] <zeeshan> yea
[13:34:31] <XXCoder> my bro and sis does has tiny left
[13:34:33] <zeeshan> so they can use a speaker in their ear
[13:34:34] <XXCoder> I dont
[13:34:41] <XXCoder> no not that much hearing
[13:34:44] <zeeshan> maybe you should make system
[13:34:53] <zeeshan> that vibrates sound waves against your skin
[13:34:55] <XXCoder> I mean, would need huge deciels just to hear
[13:34:59] <zeeshan> most sensitive part of your body
[13:35:01] <zeeshan> (not your dick)
[13:35:05] <XXCoder> I dont even with huge speaker right by me
[13:35:11] <zeeshan> but like your soft skin on the wrist
[13:35:14] <XXCoder> lol
[13:35:16] <zeeshan> and maybe you can train to intrepret it
[13:35:20] <zeeshan> the vibrations
[13:35:21] <XXCoder> nah
[13:35:35] <XXCoder> my brain never really grew its sound processing centers
[13:35:51] <XXCoder> I could learn but never will be very good
[13:36:16] <zeeshan> youre making a cnc router right
[13:36:21] <XXCoder> yeah
[13:36:35] <zeeshan> just be careful machining stuff
[13:37:01] <XXCoder> yeah
[13:37:03] <zeeshan> you could put a mic on your computer
[13:37:08] <zeeshan> to pick up high frequencies
[13:37:14] <zeeshan> and really low frequencies
[13:37:18] <zeeshan> to know when shits going wrong!
[13:37:25] <zeeshan> infact, i think i should do that
[13:37:33] <zeeshan> that could be useful for remote machining ;p
[13:37:45] <XXCoder> I suppose I could. I dont think my ancient laptop has one so I'd have to buy one. ironic.
[13:38:06] <zeeshan> i can imagine sitting in my room
[13:38:10] <zeeshan> while the cnc program is running downstairs
[13:38:14] <zeeshan> i can watch movies and stuff
[13:38:18] <zeeshan> and monitor the audio signal
[13:38:20] <zeeshan> and camera
[13:38:28] <zeeshan> and remote e-stop :p
[13:38:31] <XXCoder> lol yep
[13:38:38] <XXCoder> kickstart it
[13:38:43] <zeeshan> hahah
[13:38:51] <XXCoder> if you earn enough get me aroun $2,000 lol
[13:39:03] <XXCoder> oh and one of those kit ;)
[13:39:25] <zeeshan> hehe
[13:40:05] <zeeshan> this controller box weighs like
[13:40:13] <zeeshan> 50lb without any components
[13:40:17] <zeeshan> and about 100 with the components
[13:40:25] <zeeshan> gonna be a pain in the ass to mount it to the wall
[13:40:53] <XXCoder> well if you think of way to control swarf without filters you have to clean sometimes?
[13:41:10] <zeeshan> im not worried about swarf too much
[13:41:13] <XXCoder> ideally filters can be there but only cleaned once a long while
[13:41:14] <zeeshan> im worried about coolant
[13:41:21] <zeeshan> its a nema 1 box so its got no gaskets
[13:41:28] <XXCoder> ahh yes that can be a problem
[13:41:34] <zeeshan> and usually code says you gotta mount these guys at 4 feet from the floor
[13:41:35] <zeeshan> or s omething
[13:42:47] <zeeshan> ok time to mount this
[13:43:35] <XXCoder> http://cdn3.cubiclebot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/15.gif?363b75
[13:48:52] <Tecan> hmmm
[14:02:08] <Jymmm> archivist: "SCR Manual Fifth Edition, General Electric, 1972" PDF, interested?
[14:13:07] <Jymmm> archivist: 118MB (compressed doens't help)
[14:49:34] <archivist> Jymmm, I have the real thing SCR Manual GE General Electric 1961 2 ed
[14:50:58] <archivist> Jymmm, but am building a collection of pdfs from elsewhere
[14:54:14] <Jymmm> archivist: Dont have 1st Edition 1960 in pdf do ya?
[14:54:22] <archivist> no
[14:54:27] <Jymmm> bummer
[14:55:17] <Jymmm> archivist: Ok, thught I'd offer the 5th edition at least, I know you collect manuals =)
[14:56:59] <archivist> I will be happy when PDF is a deprecated standard and there is something better
[14:57:45] <Jymmm> archivist: Heh, I doubt it ever will be, only alternative being PS
[14:58:01] <Jymmm> as a "single file" format that is
[14:58:23] <archivist> there are other container formats
[14:58:31] <Jymmm> such as?
[14:58:38] <archivist> tiff is one
[14:58:53] <Jymmm> More heavyweight than pdf
[14:59:29] <Jymmm> archivist: is it it's inability to index/search as text that you dont like?
[14:59:34] <Jymmm> (pdf that is)
[14:59:44] <archivist> nah look how quickly you can zoom and browse this
http://www.collection.archivist.info/diva/lucastp1.html
[15:00:53] <Jymmm> archivist: is that pdf or tiff?
[15:01:04] <archivist> and note that is coming up from my slow uplink :)
[15:01:22] <archivist> tiff with a special viewer
[15:01:33] <archivist> it has tiles
[15:02:16] <XXCoder> man
[15:02:19] <XXCoder> mowing sucks
[15:02:26] <Jymmm> Very nice, yes I did notice that actualy =)
[15:02:38] <archivist> weed killer gets rid of that problem
[15:02:45] <Jymmm> so does salt
[15:03:30] <Jymmm> salt DOES kill mint btw =)
[15:03:55] <Jymmm> (at least for a few years =)
[15:03:58] <XXCoder> lol
[15:04:08] <XXCoder> I dont give a fig about yard conditionm
[15:04:14] <XXCoder> only keep it short
[15:04:27] <XXCoder> if landlord want better condition, do it themselves
[15:04:30] <Jymmm> I put down 1500 lbs of salt, very effective =)
[15:04:42] <XXCoder> that is effectivbely forever
[15:04:46] <XXCoder> you wont be able to grow
[15:04:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder: EXACTLY
[15:05:03] <XXCoder> if I own my own place
[15:05:07] <XXCoder> I would kill all grass
[15:05:16] <XXCoder> bury under rocks or concerete
[15:05:33] <Jymmm> Hey, how can you mix switching power supplies? Something about floating grounds?
[15:05:34] <XXCoder> with tiny areas assigned to either garden plants or tiny grass region
[15:06:34] <XXCoder> grass region small enough that I let it grow full height because I love look of tall grass
[15:07:17] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Grow wheat
[15:07:35] <XXCoder> nah dont like that
[15:07:38] <XXCoder> grass is better
[15:08:17] <XXCoder> bamboo even better, but would have to be TIGHTLY contained if runner type. clump too if its native limit is much bigger than area I assign it.
[15:10:44] <XXCoder> Just remember that if you ever want bamboo. You need to control it heavily. it can do lot of damage and are hard to get rid of if you dont
[15:32:54] <NickParker> I found info on my speed controller. Name plate was hidden under a row of terminals.
[15:33:05] <NickParker> Todai electric Co DC motor control pack
[15:33:39] <NickParker> pack type MOP-1500, 200V AC input, 12A output. Serial number 5209012
[15:33:51] <NickParker> I don't suppose anybody can magic up a circuit diagram or anything like that can they?
[15:41:29] <NickParker> Ok Just found a document labelled characteristic of spindle. It says 1.5KW torque constant RPM 350-3500 armature rating: volts 170V amp 12A INS. Class B
[15:41:49] <NickParker> and then peak torque 200% because it's geared down half to the actual head.
[15:44:21] <archivist> you could reverse engineer the diagram
[15:53:35] <NickParker> I just found a diagram in the files kwallace gave me. For some reason they were opening with a custom pixel aspect ratio before that made them unreadable. Fixed that and now I have a diagram of the high power systems with a box labeled TLD for the speed controller.
[15:54:01] <NickParker> Should be able to figure out what's going on from all the nicely numbered wires.
[16:06:10] <Deejay> gn8
[17:48:00] <somenewguy> oh this isn't annoying, stupid network
[17:48:03] <somenewguy> oh this isn't annoying, stupid network
[18:31:14] <uw> kick band
[18:36:31] <somenewguy> ok now that I have a stable network connection
[18:36:51] <somenewguy> can anyone point out how to set the direction of travel for a wrapped 4th axis?
[18:37:20] <somenewguy> either from midi or a .ngc
[18:37:32] <XXCoder> now tend to be time when people go qyiet. unfortunately
[18:38:22] <cradek> I don't understand your question
[18:38:33] <somenewguy> if my A axis is at 10 deg
[18:38:50] <somenewguy> and I want it to travel to 0deg, how do I get it to do that in 10 deg of travel, not 350
[18:39:03] <cradek> g0 a-0
[18:39:18] <cradek> - means go the negative direction; 0 means stop at 0
[18:39:23] <somenewguy> so the sign of the angle tells it how to get there?
[18:39:30] <cradek> exactly
[18:39:52] <somenewguy> ok thank you, I tried negative feedrates (fail!) and ran out of ideas
[18:40:13] <cradek> where did you try looking in the docs? this must not be in the right place.
[18:40:38] <somenewguy> I looked in the manual, jumping around sections that sounded reasonable, but its all mostly overview
[18:40:51] <somenewguy> and the gcode reference on the wiki doesn't touch on 4th axis
[18:40:58] <somenewguy> manual == pdf
[18:43:56] <somenewguy> I know I have seen info on it in a tutorial somewhere, but I couldn't find it, and my shop connection is dropping every 10 seconds for some reason so I couldn't look too much anyways
[18:44:13] <somenewguy> did I miss the info or is it not there?
[18:44:40] <cradek> I don't see it either, although I bet it's somewhere :-/
[18:46:39] <somenewguy> ok here is what I remember seeing a few weeks ago when I was setting up my 4th axis for hte first time
[18:46:41] <somenewguy> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/17804-4th-axis-rotation-angle-limit-problem
[18:46:56] <somenewguy> where the claim is made the wiki is wrong, which is encouraging...
[18:48:51] <cradek> sometimes the wiki is used for "I think someone oughta implement THIS:" which later can be mistaken for documentation, unfortunately
[18:49:01] <somenewguy> haha yeah
[18:49:13] <somenewguy> actually the wrapped rotary one is the clearest one I have ever seen
[18:49:29] <cradek> well "spec (draft)" should be a hint here
[18:49:29] <somenewguy> however it hasn't been edited since 09, and is half questions and suggestions so thats splendid
[18:49:36] <somenewguy> yeah
[18:49:43] <somenewguy> I just wish all the wiki was written this clearly
[18:50:46] <somenewguy> on the bright side, I finally got virtual machines working for me, so I have linuxCNC running on my real pc for the first time
[18:51:06] <somenewguy> no more relying on my overheating laptop to tweak code, or my P4 out in the shop lol
[18:54:07] <cradek> somenewguy: I updated
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WrappedRotaryAxes - please check to make sure I got everything right
[18:54:10] <cradek> (and fix if not)
[18:54:11] <cradek> bbl
[19:00:35] <somenewguy> +cradek, will do, I'll be back out in the shop in a couple hours, I'll let you know what my experience is
[19:36:34] <somenewguy> oh and cradek, not mentioned anywhere is how rapid works on the rotary, atleast in AXIS, which can be a little terrifying if it catches you off guard
[19:37:28] <somenewguy> holding the jog key "]" or "[", and then the pressing the rapid key "shift", then releasing the jog key starts continous motion on that axis untill a jog key is pressed again
[19:38:14] <somenewguy> a usefull feature but possibly disasterous the first time you discover it lol
[19:53:49] <micges> it's a bug
[19:54:11] <XXCoder> no no its a feature heh
[19:55:55] <micges> there was many such 'features' with keyboard jogging, we was thinking that they were all fixed
[19:56:12] <micges> somenewguy: what linuxcnc version?
[19:58:25] <somenewguy> 2.5 pretty sure
[19:58:48] <somenewguy> I'll be at that machine in an hour, I'll try and post for sure version then
[19:59:46] <micges> maybe you can report bug to bugtracker so it won't be lost
[20:02:39] <somenewguy> sure thing
[20:02:51] <somenewguy> wait is that still a mailing list or do I need to make an account somewhere?
[20:04:27] <micges> iirc you don't have to make account to report on sf.net/projects/emc
[20:29:52] <somenewguy_shp> mikecheck??
[20:29:57] <somenewguy_shp> am I alive
[20:30:00] <somenewguy_shp> looks like it
[21:59:27] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/robotics/soft-touch-robots-nix-complicated-kinematics-and-delicate-forcetorque-sensors-software-impr
[22:08:44] <Jymmm> http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2012/feb/20/google-street-view-nine-eyes-in-pictures#/?picture=386213498&index=0
[23:17:06] <CaptHindsight> gadzoooks ordered from China on Friday afternoon shipped via China Post, delivery tomorrow in the AM
[23:17:42] <CaptHindsight> takes longer from California
[23:28:48] <zeeshan> i need to pass a vga cable through a 1" hole
[23:28:52] <zeeshan> how can i achieve this? :p
[23:29:29] <XXCoder> is detching one end a option?
[23:29:44] <zeeshan> no
[23:29:45] <zeeshan> :P
[23:29:51] <zeeshan> theres a billion tiny wires in it
[23:29:55] <XXCoder> use your 4d power then
[23:29:57] <zeeshan> i wont be able to join em back together
[23:30:30] <XXCoder> hmm'
[23:30:40] <XXCoder> wonder if there is narrow version of vga connector
[23:31:09] <XXCoder> or you could wire up it with adoptor using some preexisting connector with enough points
[23:31:18] <XXCoder> isnt vga 12 wire?
[23:31:32] <zeeshan> 15
[23:32:50] <XXCoder> 4 of
http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=ditto_wiretowire_interconnects&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&parentKey=wire_to_wire_connectors
[23:33:05] <XXCoder> make your own vga -> this and this -> vga adoptors lol
[23:33:11] <zeeshan> haha
[23:34:16] <XXCoder> seriously though
[23:34:20] <XXCoder> hole is one inch?
[23:34:28] <XXCoder> vga is barely larger I think 1.2
[23:34:49] <XXCoder> you probably could drill small holes on sides to expand enough if mod is a option
[23:35:41] <zeeshan> http://www.asus.com/media/global/products/eHvAsncuWn6qozuc/AmRYmYaS1UUHQS7N_500.jpg
[23:35:42] <zeeshan> hmm
[23:35:47] <zeeshan> the video card has a hdmi output
[23:36:05] <XXCoder> heh dvi is getting rare
[23:37:52] <XXCoder> sucks because my montiors is dvi lol
[23:38:46] <zeeshan> i wonder if ican use this
[23:38:47] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.ca/DVI-HDMI-Cable-6ft-Male-Male/dp/B0002CZHN6
[23:39:16] <XXCoder> I dont think inverse exists but that is nice
[23:39:30] <zeeshan> well the monitor has a dvi-input
[23:39:37] <zeeshan> and the video card has a hdmi output
[23:39:43] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.ca/HDE-1080P-Female-Converter-Adapter/dp/B00C0Y6BQG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401164500&sr=1-1&keywords=vga+hdmi
[23:39:53] <XXCoder> lol
[23:40:08] <XXCoder> but yeah that is nice idea, hdmi is thin and easily gp though that 1 in hole
[23:42:14] <zeeshan> yessir
[23:43:04] <XXCoder> plus overall better res
[23:51:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch8Dqdr-U8g#t=109 think of the pancakes you could make with this if you have a big enough pan
[23:56:46] <XXCoder> lol capt
[23:56:55] <XXCoder> guess you clicked "link at this time"
[23:57:00] <XXCoder> because all I see is close
[23:57:30] <XXCoder> but yeah wow
[23:58:08] <XXCoder> really theres so many different cncs wow
[23:59:20] <XXCoder> interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FB8lnCY3UeU#t=130
