#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-23

[00:09:26] <NickParker|2> My mill can now thump around accurately using linuxcnc :)
[02:00:33] <Deejay> moin
[06:45:21] <eneuro> Hello, I've made custom kinematics component to my CNC machine and detailed description is there: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/27846-cartesian-g-code-to-cylindrical-machine-coordinate?start=10#47174 instelled it under LinuxCNC 2.5.4 http://s5.postimg.org/ythxvbpev/eneurokins_make_ins.png and rwas able to load using halrun http://s5.postimg.org/waw8un3on/eneurokins_halrun_halmeter.png but how to enable it in linux
[06:45:21] <eneuro> cnc axis MDI mode for G0/G1/G2/G3 g-code?
[06:45:55] <eneuro> Any ideas helpfull while this i smy first LinuxCNC machine ;)
[07:12:04] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, i tried again with my backup SSD and eth0 still wouldn't connect so i added a card and tried on eth1 with the same SSD and also the regular hdd with the same results. It says it's disconnected.
[07:12:33] <Tom_itx> i know it's not. I tried different cables and different ports on the switch with both lan cards.
[07:12:47] <Tom_itx> this pc is wired to the same switch.
[07:12:49] <Tom_itx> it works.
[07:13:29] <Tom_itx> maybe i need to expand the dhcp pool on the router?
[07:13:39] <Tom_itx> that's the only thing i can think of
[07:14:56] <Jymmm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542852
[07:17:10] <Tom_itx> that command returns the ethernet data
[07:17:18] <Tom_itx> serial, card interface info etc
[07:17:46] <Jymmm> codepad.org
[07:18:01] <Tom_itx> i'll work on it after work
[07:18:11] <Tom_itx> just had a quick min here to test it
[07:18:26] <Jymmm> just pastebin the results of that command
[07:18:57] <Tom_itx> the lshw -C one?
[07:19:14] <Jymmm> yes
[07:21:49] <Tom_itx> http://paste.debian.net/101394/
[07:22:22] <Tom_itx> 1st one is the MB 2nd one is the addin card i think
[07:25:22] <Jymmm> Did you follow the rest of that post?
[07:25:32] <Tom_itx> not yet, no time
[07:25:37] <Jymmm> k
[07:25:39] <Tom_itx> working on paperwork then leaving
[07:25:58] <Tom_itx> i've left it open for later though
[07:28:54] <Tom_itx> service networking status says networking stop/waiting which indicates it is running
[07:29:54] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, all the commands in the post indicate it is running
[07:30:16] <Tom_itx> i'll increase the dhcp pool on the router later
[07:30:40] <Tom_itx> i didn't stop to count devices but it could be getting full
[07:31:27] <Tom_itx> could be because i added 2 wifi (phones) to the mix
[07:31:34] <Tom_itx> seems to be when the issue started
[07:32:08] <Tom_itx> and the ubuntu pc doesn't run 24/7
[07:37:55] <Jymmm> wifi phones? which ones?
[08:30:55] <_methods> yeah i was gonna ask you if you filled your dhcp slots
[08:31:00] <_methods> i fell asleep last night
[08:32:40] <_methods> look at what this lunatic did
[08:32:42] <_methods> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Alamode-CNC-Controller/?ALLSTEPS
[08:32:48] <_methods> nothing compared to the pipe cnc
[08:39:03] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the very last sentence: "Let me know what might have done differently. Maybe I will make another one."
[08:44:25] <Jymmm> _methods you'll love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIo7TA82xE
[08:47:06] <_methods> hahah omg
[08:48:07] <_methods> interface doesn't work..........lol
[08:48:12] <_methods> i'm suprised
[08:48:24] <Jymmm> It does, just a wifi snafu
[08:48:56] <Jymmm> THAT video has no audio, but another one does and he just screwed up the network is all
[08:49:01] <_methods> ah
[08:50:22] <_methods> it seems to draw letters ok lol
[08:50:33] <Jymmm> http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/
[08:51:10] <Jymmm> http://miniemc2.blogspot.com/
[08:51:22] <CaptHindsight> wasn't this the inspiration for the BBB + linuxcnc?
[08:53:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that proj dated july 2012, when did BBB start?
[08:53:45] <_methods> http://www.firebox.com/product/6481/Monkey-Brains-Bowl
[08:54:26] <Jymmm> _methods: WTF?! You can grey colored hot glue gun that! Eeeeesh
[08:54:46] <_methods> hahah
[08:54:55] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I thought miniemc2 goes back a bit further
[08:55:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: no idea, just going off that blog date
[08:55:44] <CaptHindsight> http://777.lg.ua/
[08:56:10] <Jymmm> http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/w/list
[08:56:18] <_methods> so much russian lol
[08:56:23] <Jymmm> Nov 2011'ish
[08:57:50] <Jymmm> _methods: The thing I DO like is you can use a tablet as a remote terminal for it; use on an ad hoc network with some type of security and may not be a bad idea for other applications.
[08:57:56] <_methods> yeah
[08:58:06] <_methods> that is kinda spiffy
[08:58:08] <Jymmm> Ordinace disposal
[08:58:25] <Jymmm> toxic chemical smapling, etc
[08:58:32] <_methods> yeah wifi estop.......... not so much
[08:58:48] <Jymmm> Well, that's where the security comes in =)
[08:59:05] <_methods> when i hit estop its for a reason
[08:59:08] <Jymmm> same as remote explosives detonator
[08:59:15] <_methods> i want to make sure that signal gets there lol
[08:59:30] <Jymmm> If signal is lost/low = take counter measures.
[08:59:57] <Jymmm> Maybe change screen background color to indicate to operator
[09:00:10] <_methods> i'm thinkin about getting one of those nvidia grid cards
[09:00:16] <Jymmm> something blantantly obvious
[09:00:29] <Jymmm> grid card?
[09:00:34] <_methods> yeah
[09:00:36] <Jymmm> chessboard?
[09:00:39] <_methods> http://www.nvidia.com/object/grid-boards.html
[09:00:44] <_methods> virtualized gpu's
[09:03:04] <Jymmm> Ha! Then only thing I need is another 12GB of ram and I should be "okey" for a while, I'm at 80% now with 20GB
[09:03:22] <_methods> would be nice to use mastercam and solidworks at my linuxcnc box
[09:04:15] <Jymmm> under W7 or XP ?
[09:04:28] <_methods> win7 i'm guessing
[09:04:50] <Jymmm> what are you rnning SW on now?
[09:04:54] <_methods> win7
[09:04:58] <Jymmm> k
[09:05:59] <Jymmm> Gawd I hate FF anymore... taking 5GB ram
[09:06:09] <_methods> yeah that shit is gettin out of hand
[09:06:17] <CaptHindsight> that web interface makes me scared to think of what the kids at Apple or Google would do to a cnc UI
[09:06:21] <_methods> bout time to go iceweasel
[09:06:47] <Jymmm> _methods: Eh, it's OSX
[09:06:55] <_methods> ah
[09:06:59] <_methods> safari lol
[09:07:07] <Jymmm> Oh gawd, not that shit
[09:07:16] <_methods> iz apple iz gud
[09:07:19] <Jymmm> Nor the chrome shit either
[09:07:31] <_methods> lynx
[09:07:40] <Jymmm> safari is as secure as IE
[09:07:41] <_methods> surf like a man
[09:08:04] <Jymmm> lynx?! You pussy.... telnet 80
[09:08:08] <_methods> hahah
[09:08:28] <Jymmm> I've irc'ed via telnet before
[09:08:44] <_methods> that's boss
[09:08:48] <Jymmm> snet email via telnet too
[09:08:51] <_methods> i can honestly say i've never done that
[09:09:00] <_methods> i have sent email telnet
[09:09:04] <_methods> just to test shit
[09:09:09] <Jymmm> It's not something you do for very long though =)
[09:09:33] <Jymmm> scrolls off the screen quickly in a crowded channel
[09:10:16] <Jymmm> Frys has Wagan FRED's on sale this week for $7
[09:10:17] <_methods> maybe i wont' get a grid yet looks like i may need to get a special grid vca for solidworks
[09:11:03] <Jymmm> Using what? Vbox?
[09:11:28] <_methods> nah it looks like they built a special box with nvidia
[09:11:33] <_methods> called a grid vca
[09:11:51] <Jymmm> I mean which virtual manager?
[09:11:56] <_methods> http://www.nvidia.com/content/vca/NV_GRID_VCA_DataSheet_HR.pdf
[09:12:12] <_methods> oh xen, vmware, or that windows one it hink
[09:12:28] <Jymmm> M$ one on linux?
[09:12:42] <_methods> no the microsft hypervisor
[09:12:53] <_methods> i can never remeber what it's called
[09:12:55] <Jymmm> Running on linux?
[09:12:55] <_methods> hyper-v
[09:13:06] <_methods> what running on linux?
[09:13:13] <_methods> i think your workstations can run whatever
[09:13:26] <Jymmm> You said you wanted to run solidworks on linux
[09:13:30] <_methods> oh yeah
[09:13:34] <Jymmm> DUH
[09:13:36] <_methods> yeah linux workstation
[09:13:38] <Jymmm> ;)
[09:13:54] <Jymmm> and I asked... M$ hypervisor on linx???
[09:14:07] <Jymmm> linux*
[09:14:17] <_methods> well i think on the VCA you can run one of those 3
[09:14:23] <_methods> then you run whatever on the clients
[09:15:17] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-V#System_requirements
[09:15:52] <Jymmm> "Hyper-V is only supported on x86-64 variants of Windows."
[09:15:59] <_methods> its not even bare metal?
[09:16:06] <Jymmm> but you can have whatever as guests
[09:16:18] <_methods> hyper-v server is bare metal
[09:16:19] <Jymmm> hahaha, fuck no =)
[09:16:25] <_methods> read down
[09:16:56] <_methods> i've never actually setup hyperv before
[09:17:04] <_methods> it's always been a bit of joke
[09:17:13] <Jymmm> Microsoft Hyper-V server is built with components of Windows and has a Windows Server Core user experience.
[09:17:24] <Jymmm> It's not a Type 1 hypervisor
[09:17:35] <_methods> yeah one of the many reasons i've never used it
[09:17:59] <_methods> xen and vmware are the only 2 i've ever run
[09:18:09] <Jymmm> vmware what?
[09:18:14] <_methods> esxi
[09:18:24] <Jymmm> vmware is a company not a product =)
[09:18:27] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[09:18:30] <_methods> yeah
[09:18:31] <_methods> sorry
[09:18:39] <_methods> used to speaking to non vm people
[09:18:56] <_methods> i just say vmware and leave it at that lol
[09:19:11] <_methods> and besides the way vmware changes all their product names.......
[09:19:11] <Jymmm> I dont have the HW to run ESXi, but we ran it on the servers at corp and DC
[09:19:31] <_methods> its nice i like it because it's free and plays well with others
[09:19:40] <_methods> i've had issues with xen and windows vm's
[09:19:45] <Jymmm> how did you interface/control it?
[09:19:54] <_methods> the clien
[09:20:00] <Jymmm> which one?
[09:20:06] <_methods> vmwaare infrastructure client
[09:20:17] <Jymmm> the one that requires IE ?
[09:20:23] <_methods> nah
[09:20:28] <_methods> it's a standalone program
[09:20:35] <Jymmm> you bought it?
[09:20:39] <_methods> no
[09:20:42] <_methods> it's free
[09:21:04] <_methods> esxi 5
[09:21:07] <_methods> not the new one
[09:21:12] <_methods> i think this new one is a web app
[09:21:18] <_methods> or something like that
[09:21:27] <Jymmm> Ah, the last time I looked it was ESXi 4
[09:21:45] <_methods> yeah esxi was standalone client too
[09:21:46] <_methods> and free
[09:21:47] <Jymmm> all you had was jack shit
[09:21:58] <_methods> well.......they make it so it's hard to find the free shit
[09:22:06] <_methods> and it's only free for one physical cpu
[09:22:10] <Jymmm> and zero for docs
[09:22:18] <_methods> yeah their docs are lose
[09:22:20] <Jymmm> esxxxi is?
[09:22:28] <Jymmm> esxi = 1 cup?
[09:22:31] <_methods> yeah
[09:22:31] <Jymmm> cpu
[09:22:34] <_methods> 1 physical
[09:22:41] <_methods> so you get as many cores as you can lol
[09:22:43] <Jymmm> Eh, that's ok
[09:22:48] <_methods> nice octo core is win
[09:22:57] <_methods> amd is win for free esxi boxes
[09:23:12] <Jymmm> Well, I've had this idea for a VERY long time....
[09:23:42] <Jymmm> What I have ALWAYS hated abut workstations/laptops is the bare metal OS....
[09:24:08] <Jymmm> install the os, drivers, updates, apps, ....
[09:24:16] <Jymmm> etc, such a pina
[09:24:22] <Jymmm> PITA
[09:24:33] <_methods> yeah
[09:24:45] <Jymmm> But, if you had a laptop with a hypervisor (non bare metal) and
[09:24:57] <_methods> well i think that's why you're seeing a sort of resurgence in teh thin client stuff
[09:25:09] <Jymmm> just use the phy HDD to store the VM's, then you let the laptop boot/run the VM
[09:25:23] <Jymmm> then you get the benefits of snapshots, and restores
[09:25:28] <_methods> yeah
[09:25:40] <_methods> a minimal os that lets you run vm's
[09:25:41] <Jymmm> virus/malware? no problem
[09:25:45] <_methods> like a bare metal
[09:25:57] <_methods> and desktop lol
[09:25:58] <Jymmm> No, not plural, singlaur
[09:26:17] <Jymmm> the "VM" aspect wouldn't be visible to the user
[09:26:21] <_methods> i agree i'm not sure why no one has done this yet
[09:26:45] <Jymmm> Dell server have embedded esxi already
[09:26:58] <Jymmm> it's only iirc 32MB
[09:27:02] <Jymmm> maybe 64MB
[09:27:11] <Jymmm> easily fit on a USB stick
[09:27:23] <_methods> yeah i run mine on a cf card
[09:27:34] <Jymmm> setup bios to boot from usb stick, it load/sruns a VM
[09:28:24] <Jymmm> Setup the laptop to PXE boot for remote management and snapshot/restore/or wipe and install as needed.
[09:28:31] <_methods> yeah
[09:28:57] <Jymmm> even have a "virgin" VM as a backup already on the hdd too
[09:29:19] <Jymmm> snapshot it, add user info, deploy
[09:29:38] <Jymmm> done in 20 minutes
[09:30:26] <Jymmm> turn the laptop in, wipe user's VM, and ready for the next victim
[09:30:30] <_methods> yeah i guess it's kinda like linux on a usb lol
[09:30:47] <_methods> just drop in a sata ssd
[09:31:12] <Jymmm> yeah could do that. install a usb stick internally on the USB buss
[09:34:59] <Jymmm> Ok I lied, the FRED's are n sale for $7.49
[09:35:20] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjEI_DjnDKM
[09:36:18] <_methods> ah those are cool
[09:37:40] <Jymmm> bicycling, motorcycle, too
[09:46:09] <Jymmm> I think it be great for changing a tire at night
[09:46:41] <Jymmm> or even have near the front door of the house for EMS to find you easier
[09:47:01] <Jymmm> or drive way if you are having a party/event
[09:48:20] <Jymmm> or shove in a disposable aluminum cooking container for a yard sale mounted on side
[09:49:23] <Jymmm> like a pie tin for the added reflector
[09:50:09] <Jymmm> or one of these http://startcooking.com/public/IMG_0770.jpg
[11:40:52] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks.
[11:46:39] <SpeedEvil> Evening.
[11:51:57] <Connor> PetefromTn_: PMed you
[11:58:36] <Connor> I hate waiting for the brown truck or postman.. Something was suppose to have been delivered yesterday via USPS, and the tracking said it was.. but, I have a feeling it was scanned at the post office and will arrive today.
[11:58:36] <Connor> at least, I hope it does.
[11:58:42] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:59:14] <IchGuckLive> Connor: therefor in germany are nice ladys that store them in town
[12:01:02] <IchGuckLive> Folks i got a simple stupid question youtube did mail me my mail storige is reatched WHERE the hell are this youtube mails located i see only the vid manager in the dropdown no mail
[12:01:40] <IchGuckLive> i even dident know that i got a youtube mail at all
[12:01:54] <Connor> You sure it wasn't spam ?
[12:02:21] <IchGuckLive> no it is clear from youtube google advice
[12:03:26] <Connor> That's strange.
[12:04:02] <Connor> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/174100?hl=en
[12:04:52] <IchGuckLive> How to find my YouTube mailbox
[12:05:29] <Connor> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/KbUaEmPvqGE
[12:05:30] <IchGuckLive> I have a hard time finding my mailbox on YouTube. I eventually find it if I keep trying and searching O.O
[12:06:52] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/inbox
[12:06:57] <Connor> there it is.. after you login
[12:08:05] <IchGuckLive> Whoooh 10047 mails inside delete Needed!
[12:08:46] <IchGuckLive> Mad somany asks on linuxcnc heeks
[12:09:23] <IchGuckLive> XYUV Airfoil since 3 years
[12:12:38] <IchGuckLive> thanks Connor this shoudt be somwhere on the mainlog not in the deep tunnels of google
[12:13:59] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, the phones connect to the wifi when they're in range
[12:16:14] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: that is my projekt now to get the tractors connecting via wifi android as they retch a Georectancle
[12:22:14] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, the issue is my linuxcnc box is having trouble connecting to the network
[12:22:45] <IchGuckLive> im on 10.04 androidstudio
[12:22:58] <IchGuckLive> and for the data flow i use a android FTP
[12:23:16] <Tom_itx> androidstudio?
[12:23:44] <IchGuckLive> the android developers tool like eclipse for win
[12:23:49] <Tom_itx> oh
[12:23:54] <Tom_itx> i looked at that briefly
[12:23:59] <Tom_itx> haven't downloaded it yet
[12:24:01] <IchGuckLive> its great
[12:24:15] <Tom_itx> haven't done any arm/android programming yet
[12:24:20] <IchGuckLive> it gives you 10times the prog speed then eclipse
[12:24:36] <IchGuckLive> ALT enter does autogenerate all the things
[12:25:27] <IchGuckLive> if i hat that kind of help in the backdays i woudt have been OOp progger not a g-code CAD man
[12:26:04] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: i debug all direct on the device not on the pc itself
[12:26:13] <Tom_itx> the router says i have 11 leased and 24 available so that shouldn't be the problem
[12:26:31] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, which phone?
[12:26:48] <IchGuckLive> i do not own a phone only China tablets
[12:26:54] <Tom_itx> oh
[12:27:06] <Tom_itx> is it hard to root a phone?
[12:27:17] <Tom_itx> kinda leary of trying that
[12:27:25] <IchGuckLive> i never in my now 64 live years i took a smartphone call
[12:28:08] <IchGuckLive> android phones connect themself for debubgging at androidstudio
[12:28:26] <IchGuckLive> only hint is the linux that needs a ADB kill
[12:28:30] <Tom_itx> i'd be concerned about bricking it
[12:28:48] <IchGuckLive> bricking = breaking
[12:29:08] <Tom_itx> bricking = render useless
[12:29:11] <Tom_itx> a brick
[12:29:13] <IchGuckLive> i did onec a app fail that restartet the phone over and over
[12:29:54] <IchGuckLive> its just java
[12:30:06] <IchGuckLive> so back to your not connecting device
[12:30:34] <IchGuckLive> did you remove all the wifi in the list on the divice and restart the system from powerplug
[12:30:51] <Tom_itx> the linux box isn't wifi
[12:30:55] <Tom_itx> it's hardwired
[12:31:15] <IchGuckLive> you can ping the router
[12:31:32] <Tom_itx> i wasn't able to yesterday
[12:31:39] <Tom_itx> just got here and about to work on it
[12:31:56] <IchGuckLive> ehat does ifconfig gicve you
[12:32:03] <IchGuckLive> what
[12:32:19] <IchGuckLive> eth0
[12:32:23] <Tom_itx> http://paste.debian.net/101394/
[12:33:00] <Tom_itx> neither one will connect
[12:33:32] <IchGuckLive> i see there is a 10base
[12:33:45] <IchGuckLive> what does ifconfig see
[12:33:53] <Tom_itx> ok now it's working on eth1
[12:33:56] <Tom_itx> lemme try eth0
[12:34:28] <IchGuckLive> eth1 is your 100tbase
[12:34:48] <IchGuckLive> so the router will maybe not accept the 10base adapter
[12:35:00] <Tom_itx> it has been
[12:35:27] <Tom_itx> should be 10/100/1000
[12:35:30] <Tom_itx> iirc
[12:35:55] <IchGuckLive> ypour paste said itas on 10b fixed
[12:36:30] <Tom_itx> capacity 1GB
[12:36:46] <Tom_itx> not sure why it's at 10MB
[12:36:53] <IchGuckLive> sudo iwconfig eth0 rate 100M
[12:37:14] <Tom_itx> i wonder if that lan is bad
[12:38:02] <Tom_itx> it's not wireless
[12:38:18] <Tom_itx> set failed on device eth0
[12:38:53] <IchGuckLive> ifconfig eth0 up
[12:39:52] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: do you got ethtools installed
[12:40:05] <IchGuckLive> sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg on
[12:40:23] <IchGuckLive> sudo ethtool -S eth0
[12:40:40] <IchGuckLive> this gives you all the infos on if its configured right
[12:40:59] <Tom_itx> not installed
[12:41:24] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get install ethtool
[12:41:33] <Tom_itx> how?
[12:41:39] <Tom_itx> no interweb connection :D
[12:42:12] <IchGuckLive> you said eth1 is working
[12:42:22] <Tom_itx> well it was for a bit
[12:42:40] <Tom_itx> i'm wondering if eth0 hardware is bad
[12:42:48] <IchGuckLive> dont think so
[12:42:58] <Tom_itx> swapping cables.. gonna get ethtool
[12:43:17] <IchGuckLive> ifconfig shoudt give you a idee of connection
[12:44:30] <Tom_itx> now neither one will connect
[12:45:15] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig eth0
[12:45:36] <IchGuckLive> eth 1 give it a ip outside the dhcp
[12:45:55] <IchGuckLive> and ping the www router
[12:47:01] <IchGuckLive> get a look on ifconfig if it has the ip correct running bevore ping
[12:47:02] <Tom_itx> unreachable
[12:47:53] <IchGuckLive> you changed the numbers to ypour local network
[12:48:06] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:49:06] <Tom_itx> i set it to where the router thinks it should be and i can ping it
[12:49:35] <IchGuckLive> good
[12:49:58] <Tom_itx> but i can't get past it
[12:50:38] <Tom_itx> the router had that mac leased with an ip stored already
[12:50:46] <IchGuckLive> ping
[12:51:02] <Tom_itx> unreachable
[12:51:42] <IchGuckLive> you got 2 mac as you got 2 eth
[12:52:28] <Tom_itx> right
[12:52:38] <Tom_itx> but the eth0 one was leased already
[12:53:04] <Tom_itx> i think i'll flush the router
[12:53:12] <IchGuckLive> no
[12:53:16] <IchGuckLive> bad idee
[12:53:43] <IchGuckLive> its the 10tbase adapter preset
[12:55:14] <Tom_itx> yep
[12:56:33] <IchGuckLive> try
[12:56:44] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig -f 100f
[12:57:10] <Tom_itx> -f not recognized
[12:57:20] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig eth0 -f 100f
[12:57:49] <Tom_itx> -f unknown host
[12:58:30] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig -f 100f eth0
[12:59:29] <Tom_itx> doesn't recognize -f as an optino
[12:59:47] <Tom_itx> i need to stop on this. have other more pressing things
[13:03:03] <IchGuckLive> i kicked myself O.o
[13:10:09] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: its a driver issue on 10.04
[13:12:35] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: please see " lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net
[13:12:43] <IchGuckLive> if there is a fal modprobe
[13:13:07] <IchGuckLive> Kernel driver in use: r8168
[13:15:05] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: still around
[13:21:37] <MrHindsight> I'm adding howtos for camunits to the wiki http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Adding_Camview let me know of any install issues
[13:23:59] <MrHindsight> adding and working with the extras and auto ZERO is where people run into trouble
[13:28:48] <IchGuckLive> im off bYE
[14:07:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-Hot-Smart-TV-box-A20-Dual-Core-Google-Android-Allwinner-Cortex-A7-1GB-4GB-Flash/1714972998.html heh maybe Linuxcnc on this over RTnet
[14:07:29] <kfoltman> probably unreliable as hell
[14:07:39] <CaptHindsight> what would be?
[14:08:01] <CaptHindsight> or do you mean the actual hardware quality?
[14:17:02] <zq_> vroom
[14:17:29] <zq_> mhaberler: you're the machinekit guy, right?
[14:17:59] <zq_> mhaberler: what do you think about making -lXinerama and emcsh optional?
[14:19:58] <zultron> zq_, see the backlog. :) This discussion should definitely be brought to the Machinekit list, where there's a wider audience of folks who would be interested in/affected by this question.
[14:20:49] <zq_> zultron: irc backlog?
[14:21:22] <zultron> logger[mah], show zq_ where the IRC backlog is archived.
[14:21:22] <logger[mah]> zultron: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-05-23.html
[14:21:27] <zq_> okay
[14:21:35] <zq_> so there's no separate mk irc chan
[14:21:45] <zultron> Not really necessary; just that the list is the best place to ask questions.
[14:22:01] <zq_> mind pasting the link?
[14:22:27] <zultron> The website should have pointers: http://machinekit.io
[14:23:46] <zq_> uh
[14:24:01] <zq_> all i'm getting is a google groups link which requires me to sign up with a gmail
[14:24:08] <zq_> isn't there a listserv somewhere?
[14:24:50] <zultron> Yeah, google groups is the listserv. Try sending an email to http://groups.google.com/group/machinekit/subscribe
[15:01:34] <Jymmm> $3875 to upgrade to a 50W laser tube, bastards
[15:06:02] <_methods> jesus
[15:06:09] <_methods> tube robbery
[15:07:15] <CaptHindsight> US made tubes?
[15:07:23] <Jymmm> Yes
[15:08:27] <_methods> just make your own
[15:08:44] <_methods> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/07/incredible-home-made-low-cost-co2-laser/
[15:08:46] <_methods> hahahahhaha
[15:08:58] <_methods> pvc pipe laser tube
[15:10:03] <CaptHindsight> fly to China and buy one there for less
[15:11:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Vegas
[15:12:12] <CaptHindsight> and still fly RT to Vegas for less
[15:12:39] <Jymmm> Drive to Vegas unless you can hold a 200lb box on your lap =)
[15:13:13] <Jymmm> adnget thru TSA with it =)
[15:13:29] <Jymmm> Cause you dont want to check it and let the gorillas load it nthe plane
[15:13:34] <_methods> pew pew
[15:13:36] <jdh> so, why are 50w lasers so much more than 40w? even chinese ones
[15:13:51] <_methods> you might as well get 80w
[15:13:55] <_methods> if you gonna get 50
[15:14:24] <CaptHindsight> 180w <$800
[15:14:45] <Jymmm> Chinese tubes are water cooled, mine is air cooled.
[15:14:53] <jdh> I'd almost consider a 40w since keling has them so cheap now.
[15:15:39] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: does yours have aluminum fins integrated into the tube?
[15:15:49] <Jymmm> jdh: Since you're here, no problem.
[15:16:03] <zq_> how do i submit a patch to mk
[15:16:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: yep, looks cool actually. like some SciFi thing =)
[15:16:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/50w-laser-tube
[15:17:21] <CaptHindsight> add fish tank pump and tropical fish
[15:17:48] <CaptHindsight> heh High Quality and Extra Long Life 3 months warranty
[15:17:55] <Jymmm> LOL when you mount to your machine, do not mount upside down
[15:18:06] <CaptHindsight> even he won't stand behind them
[15:18:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ALL tubes are like that
[15:18:57] <CaptHindsight> even uhmerican suppliers?
[15:19:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: No, they charge you 5x the cost for a 1yr warranty
[15:19:36] <Jymmm> $8000 for a new and 3yr warranty
[15:19:39] <Jymmm> for 50W
[15:19:51] <Jymmm> includes RF board too
[15:20:04] <CaptHindsight> how about getting one of those extended service contracts that they sell at Best Buy or Walmart
[15:20:36] <CaptHindsight> oh so it's like buying a muffler at Midas
[15:20:36] <Jymmm> Put it on my CC that give purchases an added year warranty instead =)
[15:21:07] <CaptHindsight> the 6 month muffler and the lifetime muffler are the same muffler
[15:22:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/3000w-110vac-chiller-for-laser-or-cnc-router-2
[15:22:11] <Jymmm> Here we go a RECI Tube... http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/brand-new-80w-laser-tube-for-the-laser-engraver
[15:23:00] <CaptHindsight> if it is the quality problem, We will have Warranty if it is no water or other damage, we will not cover it
[15:24:25] <CaptHindsight> 8 Months Warranty 24 x 30 x 8 = 1,920, only for 1/5th it's supposed life
[15:28:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqJnS1AgPI 60 Watt Coherent Laser Diode
[15:31:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsfyhm7H9s Poor-Man's Co2 Laser
[15:48:34] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yeah - fiber coupled are way more awesome.
[15:49:00] <SpeedEvil> Bare arrays are way cheaper
[16:02:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXjp3BwvNMg DIY Frequency Trippled YAG 355nm laser cutter
[16:03:24] <CaptHindsight> 6 watts average power
[16:04:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.buildlog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=264
[16:08:46] <SpeedEvil> I've been wondering about something sort-of-similar
[16:09:03] <SpeedEvil> but using 3 2W laser diode 405nm lasers pointed onto one spot
[16:11:32] <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: but that wouldn't give you a straight beam
[16:11:46] <kfoltman> or, rather, perpendicular to the surface of the cut
[16:12:03] <SpeedEvil> kfoltman: It won't work for cutting, no.
[16:12:23] <SpeedEvil> Well, it won't work for cutting 'thick' material
[16:12:26] <kfoltman> right
[16:12:57] <kfoltman> unless you can accept that the cut will be wider at the top
[16:13:36] <kfoltman> 3 laser diodes above, 3 laser diodes below? ;)
[16:13:51] <kfoltman> + some polycarbonate sheet to protect each side when not in use
[16:14:56] <Loetmichel> you can do it "stacked"
[16:15:26] <Loetmichel> 3 widened beams, three semi mirrors and a lens at the bottom
[16:17:27] <kfoltman> is the efficiency of the semi mirrors sufficient for that?
[16:19:59] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, you can't merge the beams efficiently
[16:27:55] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: not in the concentrated state
[16:28:01] <Loetmichel> you have to widen them
[16:28:12] <Loetmichel> or the semi lirrors will burn
[16:28:37] <Loetmichel> mirrors
[16:29:00] <Loetmichel> and then after all three beams are combined focus the resulting beam back to a few thou
[16:29:12] <SpeedEvil> I mean the optical invariant
[16:29:53] <Loetmichel> dont know about theory, but in practice any powerful laser diode arry works this way
[16:30:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/optical-filters/longpass-edge-filters/dichroic-laser-beam-combiners/3466 greater than 98% reflection and greater than 95% transmission
[16:30:40] <Loetmichel> a set of LD with parallel outputs, some semi mirrors at 45° (or prisms) and a collimator optc at the output
[16:31:28] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: using 405nm since they are cheap and easy to get from BluRay?
[16:34:25] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:34:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2W-445nm-M140-Blue-Laser-Diode-in-Copper-Module-W-Leads-Three-Element-Glass-/170892986250?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ca04078a
[16:35:18] <SpeedEvil> 445 oops
[16:42:01] <markhausen> Speaks anyone german ?
[16:43:49] <CaptHindsight> Laser diode collimation optics http://www.google.com/patents/US4185891 might give you some hints
[16:46:37] <Loetmichel> 2 minutes
[16:46:44] <Loetmichel> what a attention span
[16:47:13] <Loetmichel> i would have helped him translate, but when he is gone THAT quick... ;-(
[16:49:33] <Deejay> gn8
[18:47:29] <zq_> alright
[18:47:34] <zq_> i'm at my wit's end
[18:47:51] <zq_> lat.hal:1: /home/bryant/machinekit/libexec/rtapi_app_rt-preempt exited without becoming ready
[18:48:13] <zq_> and from syslog: msgd:0: MSGD:0 mlock(global) failed: 12 'Cannot allocate memory'
[18:48:48] <zq_> this is rt_preempt on kernel 3.2.58-rt85 with machinekit master
[19:00:06] <somenewguy> so i am reading up on cnccookbook about 4th axis work, does anyone have any other good resources?
[19:00:43] <somenewguy> I am particualarly curious if feedrate is in any way compensated w/ radius ofpart when programming for 4th axis, or if you have to do the math manually
[19:33:02] <andypugh> somenewguy: You have to do the maths manually. G-code doesn’t know enough. It’s normally advised to use inverse-time mode (a non-obvious way to program “this move takes so long”)
[19:33:58] <andypugh> Specifially, G-code doesn’t know if Z=0 is the work surface or the axis, or something else, so it can’t do the maths by itself.
[19:55:20] <somenewguy> ok cool, I kinda suspected that might be the case, but you never know till you ask
[19:55:58] <somenewguy> thought there might a mode where it is simply explicit, like w/ new axis terms or something
[19:56:39] <somenewguy> maybe a SFM calculator will be my first python GUI project, have been meaning to trysomething like that
[19:58:56] <somenewguy> in the meantime I will read about inverse time mode, I have seen it in passing and been kinda 0.o but I guess if this is a place it makes sense, its time to learn
[20:03:23] <andypugh> It makes sense apart from being inverse :-)
[20:04:45] <andypugh> I guess they wanted bigger numbers to still mean “faster” or perhaps the early controllers couldn’t manage non-integers?
[20:05:35] <somenewguy> ill buy both of those excuses lol
[20:06:00] <XXCoder1> and some vowels?
[20:07:05] <somenewguy> only if I have any change left
[20:09:14] <somenewguy> ok now that I am actually reading closely, inverse time feedrate is not as bizzare as it sounded in passing.
[20:09:40] <somenewguy> the units are super sensible, if you know path length, hte value is the feedrate, right?
[20:10:11] <somenewguy> no, false
[20:13:43] <somenewguy> F * distance = actual move rate
[20:14:07] <somenewguy> units/minute
[20:14:52] <somenewguy> thank goodness for named variables
[20:38:31] <XXCoder1> cool
[21:08:59] <somenewguy> has anyone on here tried my mill ngcgui library?
[21:10:35] <somenewguy> I'm going to try and bring circle cutting/milling back into the main branch this weekend, I keep needing it and not having it
[21:53:56] <PetefromTn_> Well I finished another prototype scope rail today. I think it came out pretty nice. Whaddya guys think? http://imagebin.org/311639 http://imagebin.org/311640
[21:57:16] <FrankZappa> Are you Peter Jarvis?
[21:59:05] <FrankZappa> apparently you're hosting some malware.
[21:59:53] <PetefromTn_> nope..
[21:59:58] <PetefromTn_> Whaddya mean?
[22:00:11] <FrankZappa> click on your own links
[22:00:22] <PetefromTn_> Just posted these to Imagebbin is all.
[22:00:31] <FrankZappa> hm
[22:00:53] <PetefromTn_> I just clicked on the links works fine here.
[22:00:54] <Tom_itx> try paste.debian.net
[22:01:24] <PetefromTn_> do the links not work?
[22:01:58] <Tom_itx> This web page at imagebin.org has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.
[22:02:11] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay.
[22:02:19] <PetefromTn_> worked for me here.
[22:02:25] <PetefromTn_> Its not that important LOL
[22:05:55] <FrankZappa> maybe its on imagebin
[22:11:35] <FrankZappa> http://i.imgur.com/j56Qcpo.png
[22:11:40] <FrankZappa> I see the bottom one first
[22:11:46] <FrankZappa> then the top one when I click more info.
[22:12:27] <XXCoder1> looks like someone broke amazon
[23:12:22] <XXCoder1> 8020 go cart lol http://builtbyben.net/functioning-go-cart/
[23:12:25] <XXCoder1> 8020 is that strong??
[23:12:34] <XXCoder1> looks like 15 series
[23:25:06] <somenewguy> a buddy of mine is cleaning his house (I think he has a secret GF or something) and is getting rid of/selling TONS of his collection of junk
[23:25:31] <somenewguy> he has 2 "laser tables" or at least thats what I have always called them, those flat steel tables w/ holes on a 2x2 grid and a honeycomb center
[23:25:44] <somenewguy> I assume he got them out of the trash at his old work, mayyyyyybe he paid for them
[23:26:17] <somenewguy> I don't want to insult him, but I wouldn't mind scoring one on the cheap, anyone have any clue what I should offer, I think it was a 3x4 table, probably w/ minor damage
[23:26:47] <somenewguy> I would use it for TIG welding and measuring, so its not quite perfect, but close enough if the price is right ya know?
[23:28:32] <XXCoder1> cant help you on that but good luck :)
[23:28:44] <XXCoder1> I heard some metal shops do give away some scrap sometimes
[23:28:49] <XXCoder1> expecially to people who help
[23:29:48] <somenewguy> he usedto work for a optics shop of some kind (telescope mirrors etc I think) so I assume he pulled them from the trash, and a place that fancy usuallly has expensive trash haha
[23:30:14] <somenewguy> and if he spent money on them, I am sure he would have used them by now, those things are probably wicked expensive new, but lose all value w/ a single ding
[23:30:28] <XXCoder1> lol place I work at has lots fancy wood trash'
[23:30:33] <somenewguy> I also got ~10 400W UPSs from him for free
[23:30:36] <XXCoder1> too damn bad my car is too small to bring most of em
[23:30:46] <somenewguy> I wanted one, but I had to take all or none lol
[23:31:21] <somenewguy> half work, but I am just junking all but two. I also bought his old mountain bike, so hopefully hei s in a dealing mood next time I see him
[23:31:33] <XXCoder1> for example I saw one EXPENSIVE pallet in wood scrap - it has plywood covers. yes covers with S. With 2x4 wood as frame
[23:31:43] <XXCoder1> oit'd be perfect to scrap to build cnc
[23:31:49] <XXCoder1> but nooo too damn big lol
[23:31:55] <XXCoder1> 4'x4'
[23:32:08] <somenewguy> haha yeah
[23:32:43] <somenewguy> I got a triple phase disconnect box out of the trash, for like 400 amp fuses or something crazy like that, still trying to figure out what to do with it
[23:32:48] <somenewguy> its jsut too cool to let it get trashed
[23:33:00] <somenewguy> HUUUUGE handle that goes CLANG when you flip it
[23:33:01] <XXCoder1> tempted to strap it on top of car. my car is conking out tranny anyway so basically unsalable.
[23:33:14] <XXCoder1> lol
[23:36:09] <XXCoder1> tempted to just fuck it and pour antilock in tranny even though its almost full
[23:36:15] <XXCoder1> no idea how to drain just liter
[23:39:12] <somenewguy> cars get expensivewhen they get loud don't they?
[23:39:47] <XXCoder1> loud I got no idea. me deef
[23:39:56] <XXCoder1> but it runs fine if below 40
[23:40:12] <XXCoder1> at freeway speeds it evenually has very hard kick when shifting
[23:40:22] <XXCoder1> almost enough for whiplash
[23:41:21] <somenewguy> yeah thats not good
[23:41:26] <XXCoder1> yeah
[23:41:31] <XXCoder1> ford contour 1998
[23:41:40] <XXCoder1> fucking last year with troque convertor flaw
[23:41:45] <somenewguy> I have been without a real car for almost 3 months now, engine exploded on my 73 bus
[23:41:55] <somenewguy> driving the toy car in the cold succckckkkks
[23:42:02] <XXCoder1> lol
[23:42:06] <XXCoder1> used to own vw bug
[23:42:07] <XXCoder1> loved it
[23:42:19] <somenewguy> but I am almost done with the rebuild, be backon the road as soon as my second set of piston rings show up (ordered the wrong size)
[23:42:33] <somenewguy> they are great cars, I have built a few
[23:42:46] <XXCoder1> nice
[23:47:39] <XXCoder1> man I look forward to work tues lol
[23:47:45] <XXCoder1> first day I will operate cnc router
[23:48:00] <XXCoder1> none too fancy, I dont actually create toolpaths and stuff
[23:48:04] <XXCoder1> but hey cnc
[23:48:57] <XXCoder1> happened sooner than I thought. probably because I worked so hard
[23:57:07] <humble_sea_bass> xx, new job?
[23:58:03] <XXCoder1> well training job basically
[23:58:18] <XXCoder1> at shop to make airplane parts
[23:58:25] <humble_sea_bass> is someone gonna cut you a check in two weeks?
[23:58:29] <XXCoder1> for 4 weeks I worked at clamp packaging
[23:58:57] <XXCoder1> then cnc machine for 4 weeks I assume unless I somehow was so good they found perment job for me faster than that lol