#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-17

[00:00:34] <Connor_iPad> Use a oldham coupler.
[00:00:56] <zeeshan> i have one
[00:01:07] <zeeshan> but people say they have backlash
[00:01:10] <zeeshan> oh
[00:01:12] <zeeshan> nm its differnt
[00:01:37] <zeeshan> Connor_iPad: can you buy them at different 'torsional shear ratings'
[00:01:46] <zeeshan> so if they detect a certain amount of torque, they snap
[00:02:25] <Connor_iPad> Not sure, but the disc is made of plastic. So they can act as a fuse.
[00:42:30] <MrHindsight> Oldhams have backlash if the center piece material is too soft (so it compresses or stretches) or if it is too small
[00:45:49] <MrHindsight> https://sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog/Group/99 these will easily handle your max torque
[01:58:20] <Deejay> moin
[01:58:58] <Jymmm> Mornin
[01:59:17] <Jymmm> Deejay: Here's a funny for you... http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2014/05/16/emory-university-server-accidentally-sends-reformat-request-windows-pcs-including/
[02:12:16] <Deejay> Jymmm, haha! nice fail ;-)
[02:12:37] <Jymmm> Deejay: Thought you might like that =)
[02:12:53] <Deejay> :-)
[03:29:15] <Loetmichel> hmm, i just spent 140 eur for parts for a 2*0-30V 0-4A laboratory supply. and there's not even the enclosure and the Volt/amperemeters in it. it seems DIY doesen calculate anymore. the 4mm "banana" plugs from hirschmann alone were 30 eur :-(
[03:31:33] <archivist> ebay gets you something cheaper
[03:32:42] <Loetmichel> archivist: thats what i said.
[03:33:27] * archivist looks for ebay in that message :)
[03:33:46] <Loetmichel> although: not with 10 turn pots, <0,1% constant, <1mV noise on output and (essentially) not failing if shorted for extended periods of time
[03:34:16] <Loetmichel> you menat: ebay for the parts?
[03:34:22] <Loetmichel> the parts ARE from ebay ;-)
[03:36:32] <archivist> I just have a couple of complete supplies
[03:36:52] <archivist> here is a funny cock up http://it.emory.edu/windows7-incident/
[03:41:51] <Loetmichel> ... and best of all: it will fit my rack space perfectly ;-)
[05:31:49] <jthornton_> see you all in the Keys
[10:17:52] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home Hey man I got a question for you if you don't mind...via PM
[10:21:36] <pcw_home> sure
[10:51:48] <PetefromTn_> Thanks man PM sent
[10:58:09] <MrHindsight> what's usually the problem when a Bridgeport J-head doesn't want to stay in LOW, or for very long, clutch won't stay engaged
[11:01:03] <archivist> what keeps it engaged ?, eg a spring and ball etc
[11:01:26] <archivist> is the fault directional
[11:02:36] <MrHindsight> I think it's slips out in either direction and has difficulty engaging
[11:03:31] <MrHindsight> http://home.comcast.net/~tom.jelly/j%20head%20rebuild%20web%20page/j%20head%20rebuild.htm looking for pics of that clutch
[11:06:41] <humble_sea_bass> hah! i love the weeks on it
[11:07:14] <humble_sea_bass> wheels
[11:07:26] <XXCoder1> lol
[11:07:56] <humble_sea_bass> it is the unsafest soap box racer
[11:07:58] <archivist> MrHindsight, the back gear near the bottom but he misses the actuator as far as I can see
[11:08:12] <XXCoder1> humble_sea_bass: nah. I can make it less safe
[11:08:27] <humble_sea_bass> tricycle style?
[11:08:28] <XXCoder1> make em out of sweating tnt for example
[11:10:41] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBmnQN78aZU
[11:10:44] <SpeedEvil> how to make it less safe
[11:11:12] <SpeedEvil> '
[11:11:12] <SpeedEvil> Motorizing and test driving the scaffold
[11:11:12] <SpeedEvil> '
[11:11:20] <XXCoder1> woodgears guy
[11:11:24] <XXCoder1> I like that guy
[11:11:38] <archivist> MrHindsight, page 76 of teh manual I downloaded www.truetex.com/bridgeport-manual.pdf
[11:11:48] <humble_sea_bass> he is the best guy
[11:14:27] <XXCoder1> ghetto tablesave lathe
[11:14:34] <XXCoder1> tablesaw
[11:14:59] <MrHindsight> pins in the cam ring get worn from all the relevant posts
[11:15:34] <SpeedEvil> I kille a tablesaw due to lateral forces.
[11:15:41] <SpeedEvil> Ok - it wasn't a great tablesaw.
[11:15:52] <SpeedEvil> But I still question that sort of project
[11:16:18] <humble_sea_bass> i dont think that is the only table saw he owns
[11:16:34] <XXCoder1> I saw someone make a sphere using tablesaw and some other tool
[11:17:38] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[11:18:06] <SpeedEvil> The cutting forces can wind up quite high, and it's a big lever arm on the saw
[11:18:28] <SpeedEvil> Well 'quite high' from the perspective of the usual designed forces
[11:18:34] <XXCoder1> guy used some kinda jig
[11:18:41] <XXCoder1> so he could cut a little off a time
[11:18:46] <XXCoder1> so low laterial force
[11:18:55] <MrHindsight> that scaffold video sums up pretty much everything I see at maker spaces and reprap
[11:20:13] <SpeedEvil> It's not one of his best.
[11:20:30] <XXCoder1> yeah
[11:20:35] <MrHindsight> do these people have some sort of phobia of engineering and learning from others with experience?
[11:20:42] <XXCoder1> it was just hack so he can move around while high up
[11:20:51] <XXCoder1> found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y94nv12L5_4
[11:20:56] <XXCoder1> what a ugly hack but works lol
[11:21:01] <SpeedEvil> MrHindsight: There is engineering, and not having the tools to do it properly.
[11:21:29] <SpeedEvil> Also 'ugly hack that I need today'
[11:21:31] <XXCoder1> skip to 2:00 mark or so
[11:22:33] <SpeedEvil> The pocket hole jig is nice
[11:26:44] <MrHindsight> SpeedEvil: is that why you make things like that?
[11:27:20] <XXCoder1> other method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhaTNIm_uhg
[11:30:58] <MrHindsight> nothing beats that horrible room sized pipe mill yet
[11:31:06] <PetefromTn_> Damn that look freakin' dangerous.. I was waiting for the whole thing to come crashin' down and find him in a pile O two by fours cryin' LOL
[11:32:02] <Deejay> namd
[11:32:55] <XXCoder1> finally found it. large ball version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFf6FLXDQcU
[11:33:52] <MrHindsight> in his defense, he was willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of entertainment, how many people are willing to do that?
[11:34:59] <PetefromTn_> Oh there's plenty of those guys around....just add beer.
[11:35:05] <XXCoder1> lol
[11:36:05] <MrHindsight> ow my balls, jackass etc etc
[11:36:49] <XXCoder1> I wonder if bowling alley'd accept actual wood bowling ball :P
[11:37:06] <XXCoder1> I'd have included that weights so it can curve
[11:37:55] <PetefromTn_> I have actually never seen a 2x4 scaffold before that alone took balls..
[11:38:21] <PetefromTn_> So I give him points for having Coconut size dangly bits..
[11:38:29] <XXCoder1> that small
[11:38:38] <PetefromTn_> Okay big as church bells...
[11:38:47] <XXCoder1> he was just modeling his actual ball size when he made that ball
[11:38:52] <XXCoder1> the larger one
[11:38:52] <FrankZappa> he's using a drill as a motor
[11:44:34] <XXCoder1> lol. https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10306388_950850838277703_5643252570691363832_n.jpg
[11:45:41] <FrankZappa> "room sized pipe mill?"
[11:46:11] <XXCoder1> yeah it was REAL ugly
[11:46:17] <MrHindsight> FrankZappa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSG2al1Sus
[11:48:00] <MrHindsight> I wonder how many hours he put into that, it should be in an art gallery
[11:49:34] <XXCoder1> I still wonder what is its working size is
[11:49:55] <MrHindsight> http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32100000/the-three-stooges-three-stooges-32136857-1095-1600.jpg
[11:50:11] <XXCoder1> video is from 2009
[11:50:16] <XXCoder1> 5 years of no update
[11:50:26] <XXCoder1> even latest vbideo is still 4 years ago
[11:51:29] <MrHindsight> maybe he's been busy, his user name is: bluefacedthief
[11:52:42] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX8_PaWjV5Y
[11:53:31] <FrankZappa> lawl perfect curly pic
[11:55:23] <MrHindsight> did anyone ever hear of how that solar heater made from an old parabolic antenna worked out in Cyprus?
[11:56:47] <XXCoder1> nope
[11:58:44] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkhVomoD47g Home-made Solar Tracking System with no electronics for solar panel or solar oven
[11:59:11] <MrHindsight> except for the electronics and the motor?
[12:05:31] <FrankZappa> haha, how did you know I was just being curious about that very subject?
[12:07:09] <FrankZappa> I guess that's good for a pole-mount, smaller array
[12:07:51] <FrankZappa> pretty sweet.
[12:08:09] <XXCoder1> it uses solar to orent to sun??
[12:08:14] <FrankZappa> yeah
[12:08:24] <XXCoder1> genius. no circuit no nothing
[12:08:28] <FrankZappa> seems like a design improvement
[12:08:50] <FrankZappa> over passive trackers
[12:08:59] <XXCoder1> or just pure timer
[12:09:27] <XXCoder1> timer you'd have to adjust each month or so for dawn and dust times
[12:09:30] <XXCoder1> dusk
[12:10:01] <XXCoder1> its not very fast, that tracker. it dont have to really.
[12:12:33] <PetefromTn_> At least it is not on top of two by fours atop a single wheel whittled out on a tablesaw driven by a chorded drill hehe
[12:13:26] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:13:29] <XXCoder1> hey ich
[12:13:53] <XXCoder1> Ich I finally got rails
[12:14:13] <XXCoder1> most is fine but couple has issues but seems better since I cleaned metal flakes oyut
[12:14:36] <XXCoder1> I plan to use white lathium grease when I'm ready to use em
[12:14:54] <IchGuckLive> i use a motorbycycle garsystem to turn my 2.5tonn solar system towards sun
[12:15:34] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: i got Molycote Lonterm W2 inside them
[12:16:47] <XXCoder1> interesting. didnt show up in amazon
[12:19:15] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: oh it is nor available in the USA true to goverment restrictions
[12:19:36] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: have any pics of the motors and gearing?
[12:20:15] <MrHindsight> lots of moly greases here
[12:20:35] <IchGuckLive> motor is a EDM force 400Nm 48V 50mmDiameter one
[12:21:02] <MrHindsight> http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/search/products/Details.aspx?prod=01283561&type=PROD&Country=CHN
[12:21:15] <MrHindsight> XXCoder1: ^^
[12:22:04] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: you shoudt first finish a system then think over tuning it
[12:22:13] <XXCoder1> yeah
[12:22:19] <XXCoder1> just curious while I save up
[12:22:36] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: solar won't work effectively here since we have more direct sunlight here than most of Germany
[12:22:45] <IchGuckLive> onec more the 400th time on you go cheep and fast first system ,Update on budget
[12:23:06] <XXCoder1> I'm unsure of rail bearing block mechinics though. it has 2 screws on top and side. it seems to tighten bearings
[12:23:15] <XXCoder1> that is correct right?
[12:23:55] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: i got a Univerity vaccumer that made the pipes from -2At to -6.5 where the Manufacture is at max -8
[12:24:15] <IchGuckLive> so i got a temp plus on fluid output by about 30deg
[12:24:35] <MrHindsight> XXCoder1: http://www.qbcbearings.com/RFQ/CoverPg/Images/Super-BB-Pillow-Blocks.jpg
[12:24:36] <IchGuckLive> at full sunlight i can get about 320Deg Celsius out of the pipes
[12:25:06] <MrHindsight> XXCoder1: the actual bearings and cages are held inside the block body
[12:25:19] <IchGuckLive> that heads the 5Qm tank up to 110degreCelsius the pressure is bad for all plumbing
[12:25:19] <MrHindsight> how thats done is not standard
[12:25:48] <IchGuckLive> in first summer as there where some days steam out of the shower
[12:26:06] <IchGuckLive> now we got a overpressure vent and a cooling down system
[12:26:13] <IchGuckLive> no direct flow
[12:26:32] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: of course, but since most of the US has more sunlight than Germany it won't work here :)
[12:26:32] <IchGuckLive> and a Arduino to controll the sunlight direction
[12:26:54] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight:
[12:26:58] <IchGuckLive> less pipes
[12:26:59] <XXCoder1> oh yes "set screws"
[12:27:01] <IchGuckLive> i got 60
[12:27:25] <IchGuckLive> get it down by 10 as the new system is 10,timese
[12:27:37] <IchGuckLive> 10x1 ,x2 ,x3
[12:27:55] <IchGuckLive> so you can choose the best for you
[12:28:14] <MrHindsight> the fossil fuel co's say it won't work here :)
[12:28:19] <IchGuckLive> vaccumpipes
[12:28:49] <IchGuckLive> they give me 30deg C flow at -5deg C outside temp
[12:29:03] <MrHindsight> how much power is supplied now from solar in Germany?
[12:29:05] <IchGuckLive> this is enoph foor floor headsystem
[12:29:30] <IchGuckLive> about 16% in total of wind Solar and water
[12:29:50] <IchGuckLive> depends on region its up to 100 and more
[12:30:10] <MrHindsight> that would cut too deeply into the profits of the fossil fuel co's
[12:30:25] <IchGuckLive> they own the most
[12:30:51] <IchGuckLive> as in texas the windpower is 95% powerd by folis fuil companys
[12:31:13] <MrHindsight> http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/solar-provides-02-electric-supply-002-obama
[12:31:26] <IchGuckLive> texas has more green energy produced then fosil one
[12:31:42] <IchGuckLive> its a hidden secred as they like you say dont like the image
[12:32:16] <IchGuckLive> Imagen driving 100mil on 1 USD
[12:32:48] <IchGuckLive> like tessla did no more fuel pay at all
[12:32:48] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: that's why it won't happen here anytime soon
[12:33:04] <IchGuckLive> its happening now as you speek
[12:33:16] <MrHindsight> not on any large scale
[12:33:17] <IchGuckLive> today tesla did 4 more refuel in the usa
[12:33:28] <XXCoder1> ich texas has one of worse renewable programs in usa
[12:33:37] <XXCoder1> yet they got best sun. must be all them oilmen
[12:33:46] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: agree on that not to all 280mil people
[12:34:19] <MrHindsight> it's burn baby burn and drill baby drill
[12:35:22] <MrHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra is an example of how it gets handled here
[12:36:32] <IchGuckLive> oh bye the way today burningman 2014 sail is out
[12:37:55] <IchGuckLive> last count to renwe in the usa total is 12.22%
[12:38:14] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: here they are still debating climate change, like facts are debatable
[12:39:02] <IchGuckLive> here 2
[12:39:11] <IchGuckLive> world has ever been changed
[12:39:31] <IchGuckLive> 10.000 years ago USA has been a frosen Ice block
[12:39:40] <MrHindsight> yeah sociopaths are mostly still in charge
[12:39:42] <IchGuckLive> now they got great lakes
[12:40:06] <IchGuckLive> they counting 200years of climate
[12:40:11] <XXCoder1> yeah. the reason I'm concerned about comite change is that it was manmade. not just because it's change. change is the only true constant to life.
[12:40:46] <XXCoder1> Ich huge block of ice in south broke off and are melting. seas will rise 10 feet somewhat soon.
[12:40:52] <IchGuckLive> no dianasor at oure Air values
[12:41:27] <IchGuckLive> oxitain mutch more then now
[12:41:36] <IchGuckLive> so where is all the wood
[12:41:44] <IchGuckLive> the plants
[12:41:59] <XXCoder1> http://www.livescience.com/38078-pine-island-glacier-iceberg.html
[12:42:04] <IchGuckLive> the USA gives now about 15milion acors of grennland renowed
[12:42:16] <IchGuckLive> we will se no dessert in livetime in nevada
[12:42:21] <IchGuckLive> if all goes right
[12:42:44] <IchGuckLive> the China is buuilding the biggest manmade river 1000miles
[12:42:44] <MrHindsight> prime beachfront property
[12:43:02] <IchGuckLive> to get all the people feeded
[12:43:24] <IchGuckLive> and how about india it overturned last year china in population
[12:43:31] <XXCoder1> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/10-feet-of-global-sea-level-rise-now-inevitable
[12:43:32] <humble_sea_bass> it would be awesome if instead of building a rive they;d clean up the yan se
[12:43:47] <IchGuckLive> OK on only male 80% of pop it will turn down soon
[12:44:12] <XXCoder1> last link was older one this one is HUGE compared to it. ice 2 miles thick broke down
[12:44:28] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: do you know the projekt name of the river that is build
[12:44:46] <MrHindsight> hey but it's China's turn now, the west had the last 100 years of uncontrolled pollution
[12:45:04] <XXCoder1> mrhind yeah china is starting to realize that its bad
[12:45:09] <XXCoder1> they are cracking down
[12:45:15] <XXCoder1> hopefully in time
[12:45:15] <MrHindsight> not fair, that they should have to limit pollution
[12:46:28] <IchGuckLive> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South%E2%80%93North_Water_Transfer_Project
[12:46:40] <MrHindsight> well now that it's becoming a major health problem there, it's actually costing more money on the health side vs pollution side
[12:46:49] <IchGuckLive> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Modern_Course_of_Grand_Canal_of_China.png/400px-Modern_Course_of_Grand_Canal_of_China.png
[12:47:21] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: more news in the west about it than in China
[12:47:57] <MrHindsight> in China people generally find out when the project is complete, they know and see it being built, but don't really ask
[12:48:55] <IchGuckLive> 48years of construction
[12:49:03] <IchGuckLive> china will make it in 40
[12:49:38] <IchGuckLive> oh i smell BBQ "Flammkuchen"
[12:49:52] <IchGuckLive> will be outside soon O.o
[12:49:56] <MrHindsight> What’s Like a 3D Printer, But Also Like a Microscope? We've combined the worst of both to make this: http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/05/17/3d-printing-cem-crown-extruder/
[12:50:19] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: what time is it there?
[12:50:29] <IchGuckLive> its maybe what the worl needs most
[12:50:42] <IchGuckLive> 7:36 pm
[12:51:10] <MrHindsight> lunchtime here
[12:52:01] <IchGuckLive> ok im off nice talk to you Huntington Texas is once more declared FATest City in Fattest Country of the world
[12:52:07] <IchGuckLive> i do not agree
[12:52:12] <IchGuckLive> as i seen samoa
[12:52:29] <IchGuckLive> Fat is there slim
[12:53:04] <IchGuckLive> did obame get the SUPERSIZE out of the stores ?
[12:53:10] <IchGuckLive> a
[12:54:27] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: are you on
[12:54:29] <MrHindsight> McDonald's dropped it shortly after the film was released
[12:55:05] <MrHindsight> was during Alfred E Rooney/Penguin administration
[12:55:34] <IchGuckLive> tonight ive seen a food fight of british cook in the usa he barried the frit in the garden
[12:56:08] <MrHindsight> sorry Alfred E Neuman
[12:56:17] <IchGuckLive> you can go in chail over here if you drop oil in your yard
[12:56:25] <IchGuckLive> jail
[12:56:54] <IchGuckLive> to drive inside the forest you need to change the oil on the tractor
[12:57:14] <IchGuckLive> alo motorchainsaw oil is green
[12:57:38] <humble_sea_bass> that sounds pretty cool IchGuckLive
[12:58:04] <IchGuckLive> today at 8am ive seen the privatwood brigades entering the forest for harvest
[12:58:10] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: it's available here but the other suppliers will lobby to keep it from becoming mandatory
[12:59:11] <IchGuckLive> this year in my region around the USAFB its a 210.000 qm³ wood harvest
[12:59:27] <IchGuckLive> as they cont a 320.000 grow
[12:59:38] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: what happened here recently was the oligarchs in power made corporations people and money speech
[12:59:57] <IchGuckLive> the Mountainbike map showes a rout of 250km without passing any house
[13:00:35] <MrHindsight> so now corporations have freedom of speech the same as actual people
[13:00:59] <IchGuckLive> 10qm³ wood is 1000liter oil 250Gal
[13:01:32] <MrHindsight> and hardly anyone noticed or cared
[13:01:58] <IchGuckLive> here they are as oil is on 80centEur a liter
[13:02:51] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: see what you are using are facts and logic to make an argument, that isn't needed here anymore, public opinion = facts here
[13:03:13] <humble_sea_bass> money is also facts
[13:03:21] <IchGuckLive> calculation !! Household needs 1500liter/year ita near 2000Euros having it in the headsystem
[13:03:25] <MrHindsight> and whatever jesus says
[13:03:34] <IchGuckLive> same on wood is about 650Euros
[13:03:35] <humble_sea_bass> or what you think he said
[13:03:52] <MrHindsight> why my gardener gets to decide is beyond me :)
[13:04:45] <IchGuckLive> if usa canada law woudt be down the usa shure coudt getter 3more green percent
[13:05:07] <IchGuckLive> but logging goes USA -> canada
[13:05:19] <IchGuckLive> not Canada -> Usa
[13:05:34] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: there are lots of things we could do here to help, but hardly anyone wants to do that
[13:05:39] <IchGuckLive> lota of USA houses are build an Austria wood
[13:05:55] <IchGuckLive> maybe german also
[13:06:06] <IchGuckLive> as Austria gets lot of german wood
[13:06:53] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: it's not about what's best fr humanity here, it's about what is best for the oligarchs to make profit
[13:07:19] <IchGuckLive> agree
[13:07:38] <IchGuckLive> if they make more money with green they will soon tern
[13:07:49] <IchGuckLive> as money moves the world
[13:08:00] <MrHindsight> thats why these situations tend to change with violent revolutions
[13:08:17] <IchGuckLive> ok im off to get some out of the oven till it is there or gone
[14:27:33] <MrHindsight> makerjuice.com/docs/b9cd.pdf heh the maker crap wars begin
[15:34:23] <yoshimitsuspeed> Hey guys I was wondering if anyone could help me set up my machine.
[15:34:25] <yoshimitsuspeed> This will get you caught up to where I am now.
[15:34:27] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/27837-my-build-and-questions#47016
[15:37:17] <archivist> dont forget any enable pins
[15:45:55] <yoshimitsuspeed> Enable pin on the C10 is jumped to power.
[15:50:04] <archivist> the drives do not have their enables wired in that diagram, I do not expect it to work
[15:51:15] <yoshimitsuspeed> Ah each drive needs to be wired. Did not know that.
[15:51:46] <yoshimitsuspeed> So just 5v to ena + and ground to ena- yeah?
[15:54:22] <Deejay> gn8
[15:54:52] <archivist> some drives default enabled see docs
[15:55:47] <archivist> if that is just a badged longshine then it should be ok left open
[15:57:47] <yoshimitsuspeed> I jumped ENA and no change.
[15:58:20] <yoshimitsuspeed> At what point should the motors hold? Will the drivers do it on their own or do they need a signal from the computer?
[15:58:29] <yoshimitsuspeed> My motors show no signs of life.
[16:02:15] <archivist> they should grab as soon as you apply power
[16:02:35] <archivist> make sure you have wired them correctly
[16:03:56] <archivist> do your drives have LEDs to say alive are they red or green
[16:05:09] <yoshimitsuspeed> Red
[16:05:22] <yoshimitsuspeed> On the breakout board should com be ground or 5v?
[16:05:52] <archivist> com is normally gnd
[16:05:53] <yoshimitsuspeed> I'm thinking 5v since the KLs say 5v+ on them
[16:06:23] <yoshimitsuspeed> They say to wire it to pul+ and dir+ though.
[16:07:32] <archivist> use a meter to see what voltage it is at
[16:08:06] <archivist> that is a terrible diagram
[16:09:27] <yoshimitsuspeed> Yeah they don't make it easy
[16:09:44] <yoshimitsuspeed> pul + and dir+ are grounded
[16:10:35] <yoshimitsuspeed> pul- reads nothing, neither ground nor current
[16:10:47] <yoshimitsuspeed> dir- reads 5v
[16:11:10] <archivist> I have a breakout board here that also has a series resistor for the opto in the driver, there is also a resistor in the driver, that meand double the resistance and not enough drive into the opto to make it switch
[16:12:26] <archivist> your two driver pins need to go to 5v most likely not gnd
[16:12:42] <archivist> pul+ and dir+
[16:13:27] <yoshimitsuspeed> That's what I am thinking too. If I jump it to go 5v is there any risk of damaging anything?
[16:14:31] <yoshimitsuspeed> dir- is also reading 5v though.
[16:16:47] <yoshimitsuspeed> I take that back. dir - only has 5v on port 7. none of the others do.
[16:18:32] <archivist> you can see longshine drive here http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/JS/IMG_1731.JPG this is me testing note en is not wired here either
[16:21:22] <yoshimitsuspeed> So on the breakout board going to the drives pin t has 5v. All the rest are ground. That doesn't seem right does it?
[16:23:44] <archivist> you can switch the opto either up to 5 with the - pin at gnd or on the low side with + to 5v
[16:24:37] <archivist> I had a board here the other day with the red and black swapped for gnd and +5
[16:25:37] <archivist> quality control in china is lacking, one wonders why AT dont check the docs are right
[16:26:58] <yoshimitsuspeed> You think bad board maybe? I can't think of any other reason why all the other dir- pins would be reading ground but 7 reads 5v
[16:27:43] <yoshimitsuspeed> I did switch the jumper for 1-9 to 5v instead of ground. They are reading 5v but still no sign of life.
[16:28:41] <archivist> the red LED means the drive thinks you have a fault
[16:29:18] <archivist> did you use a meter to check which coil is which
[16:32:14] <yoshimitsuspeed> No, I just wired it by that diagram. I used all the solid wires and ran the colors by the diagram.
[16:32:42] <yoshimitsuspeed> This should be the right motor but the wire colors aren't all the same as mine.
[16:32:44] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B1.pdf
[16:33:14] <yoshimitsuspeed> I have red, blue, green and black.
[16:33:16] <yoshimitsuspeed> Then I have four of the same colors but with stripes.
[16:33:20] <archivist> check with a meter
[16:33:42] <yoshimitsuspeed> What am I looking for?
[16:33:49] <yoshimitsuspeed> Continuity?
[16:34:34] <archivist> yes very low resistance
[16:34:35] <FrankZappa> green with stripes is grounding
[16:34:41] <FrankZappa> usually grounding conductor
[16:34:51] <FrankZappa> at least in the USA
[16:34:53] <archivist> this is motor wire never to be grounded
[16:34:53] <yoshimitsuspeed> You will have to bear with me here. I have build machines like this proffessionally but I am much more familiar with the mechanical design and fabrication side.
[16:37:04] <FrankZappa> white-brown-orange-green are your stripes, I guess
[16:38:05] <FrankZappa> so those are A and B circuits
[16:38:13] <archivist> yoshimitsuspeed, you have 8 lead motors not 4 as in the diagram
[16:38:21] <FrankZappa> 4 plain wires for ACOM, 4 stripes for BCOM
[16:38:37] <archivist> you can series or parallel the coils
[16:39:30] <yoshimitsuspeed> Bagh stupid diagram. I assumed that just meant the other 4 weren't needed.
[16:40:00] <yoshimitsuspeed> What are the pros and cons of parallel and series? Been too long since I read about that.
[16:40:06] <archivist> is there a diagram with the motors
[16:40:28] <yoshimitsuspeed> no
[16:40:29] <FrankZappa> yoshimitsuspeed parallel increases current and keeps voltage same
[16:40:40] <FrankZappa> series increases voltage and keeps amperage same
[16:40:46] <archivist> you only have 9 A so probably have to go series
[16:41:08] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay.
[16:41:42] <yoshimitsuspeed> That diagram above is all I have found for the motors. Were you looking for more than that?
[16:41:49] <archivist> yes
[16:42:10] <archivist> that diagram is for the break out
[16:42:27] <yoshimitsuspeed> no this one
[16:42:31] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf
[16:42:44] <yoshimitsuspeed> And this one
[16:42:48] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B1.pdf
[16:43:59] <archivist> try bipolar series connection, wont be as fast as bipolar parallel
[16:45:10] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay
[16:45:28] <yoshimitsuspeed> looks like I have some wiring to. I'll do one and repo back.
[16:45:40] <archivist> note both those diags have different colours
[16:46:19] * archivist has met chinese "consistency" before
[16:47:47] <yoshimitsuspeed> Lol yeah, just noticed. Fortunately one has the same colors as my motor so we will hope it's right hehe.
[16:48:48] <archivist> like I said, check with a meter
[16:52:12] <yoshimitsuspeed> They all show continuity of varying degrees. The solids show about .6 to 1 m
[16:52:14] <yoshimitsuspeed> Solid black to the stripes reads all over the place.
[16:52:37] <yoshimitsuspeed> What exactly do I need to figure out with this test? What am I looking for?
[16:53:31] <archivist> a very low resistance (do this when not wired to the drives
[16:54:01] <yoshimitsuspeed> Yeah it's disconnected completely now.
[16:54:06] <archivist> that the colours match one of the motor diagrams
[16:55:19] <FrankZappa> the stripes shouldn't show any continuity to the solids
[16:55:23] <FrankZappa> I thought, at least.
[16:55:37] <FrankZappa> depends on how it's wired & protected
[16:55:51] <FrankZappa> but those two strings are acting independently on the motor.
[16:55:53] <yoshimitsuspeed> The solid to the matching color stripe reads 3.2 ohm
[16:56:05] <archivist> FrankZappa, look at the diags before you say stuff
[16:56:30] <archivist> yoshimitsuspeed, as per the diagram
[16:56:42] <FrankZappa> why not disable one COM string and meter then?
[16:56:56] <archivist> in http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf
[16:57:42] <yoshimitsuspeed> Yeah that's the one I am going off of.
[16:58:01] <FrankZappa> oh, that's very different
[16:58:27] <yoshimitsuspeed> Red to R/W reads 3.2 ohm As to all the solids to their respective stripes. Does this sound right?
[16:58:34] <FrankZappa> so, what's the issue? gear not working, or doesn't power up?
[16:58:35] <archivist> yes
[16:59:01] <archivist> FrankZappa, please read the scoll back
[16:59:05] <archivist> scroll
[16:59:22] <FrankZappa> k sorry for interrupting
[16:59:37] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay so I should just wire it per the diagram.
[16:59:42] <archivist> yes
[17:00:19] <yoshimitsuspeed> I can't find it above. You thought bipolar series would be best right?
[17:00:39] <FrankZappa> that's what it looks like based on your meter reporting.
[17:00:53] <FrankZappa> that's the only config where the like colors + stripes are on same strings
[17:00:55] <yoshimitsuspeed> okay
[17:01:05] <archivist> not best but probably ok for 4 motors on that supply
[17:04:22] <archivist> do not leave the supply on the bench with the motors running and the bench vibrating a lot, I had a little phut here and the smoke got out, one of the heatsinks came unscrewed internally
[17:10:07] <yoshimitsuspeed> Thanks for the tip.
[17:11:49] <archivist> that picture I posted is after, I went back to a bench supply
[17:14:31] <FrankZappa> yoshimitsuspeed the other wire meterings reported 0/inf/NC, right?
[17:14:58] <FrankZappa> you only got resistance from a color + its stripe, right?
[17:16:22] <yoshimitsuspeed> I got some resistance between all I tested. Solid to solid was about .8 m for example.
[17:16:59] <yoshimitsuspeed> Solid to stripe were about 3.2 ohm
[17:17:41] <Connor> So, I made a shelf to put my tools on.. it's on full extension draw slides.. 17" wide x 27.5" deep. Trying to figure the best way to arrange stuff..
[17:17:53] <FrankZappa> oh good
[17:19:06] <Connor> I want about 24 or spots for tool holders..
[17:19:20] <Connor> and here is a list of my other stuff.. http://pastebin.com/5VWkZ7Up
[17:19:59] <Connor> any thoughts on tool arrangement?
[17:23:42] <archivist> tools:random()
[17:24:06] <Connor> archivist: funny.
[17:24:53] <archivist> I dont know how we can possibly give sensible suggestions
[17:26:02] <archivist> all I know is you will want to change just after you drill holes
[17:26:21] <Connor> Yea.. that's what I'm trying to avoid. :)
[17:27:19] <archivist> or you find an extra drill, or something you did not leave space for
[17:29:01] <FrankZappa> in my experience
[17:29:11] <FrankZappa> having differently sized drawers is great.
[17:29:14] <MrHindsight> http://olimex.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/rk3188-som-quad-core-cortex-a9-running-at-1-6ghz-system-on-module-first-prototypes-work-fine/ similar to BBB prices but with 4 faster cores and decent GPU
[17:29:29] <FrankZappa> a heavy-duty industrial bin-type filing cabinet is good for bigger stuff, like long calipers etc
[17:29:46] <FrankZappa> but those felt-bottomed shelves are the tits for smaller tools.
[17:30:07] <FrankZappa> they often have tray-type addon organizers for the top of the shelf too, as a 2-pc thing
[17:30:22] <Connor> FrankZappa: Not a drawer, a shelf.. under the chip tray. for tool holders, 123 blocks etc.. my draw will be for sensitive stuff and end mills not in holders..
[17:31:02] <FrankZappa> ah ok
[17:31:11] <FrankZappa> I'll let the more experienced ppl here speak to that
[17:31:42] * FrankZappa does more CAD
[17:31:52] <Connor> I'm drawing it up in cad...
[17:32:00] <Connor> hopeful I can lay it all out...
[17:35:43] <archivist> size variation etc usually screws plans, just try organising taps and dies
[17:36:25] <yoshimitsuspeed> One axis down. Three to go. Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the help. I'm sure I'll be back before too long.
[17:37:00] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9366&subject=26704
[17:37:27] <archivist> only 10 % by weight as none of the large stuff fits
[17:45:15] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay a few new questions. Is the motor supposed to get hot? If so what is safe? I don't remember them getting this hot on the big machines I used to work on. Got to about 50C then I turned it off.
[17:45:49] <FrankZappa> you could rewire in series
[17:45:54] <archivist> 50 deg c is safe, the machine cools it when bolted on
[17:53:15] <yoshimitsuspeed> Thanks. It seems stable at about 45C now.
[17:53:23] <FrankZappa> I used to call my shop drawings "shop dawgs" because they were always .dwgs when I had to import them
[17:56:41] <yoshimitsuspeed> What should I set the microstep settings to? 1/2 puts the current settings dead on where 1mm jog = 1mm on the mill but it's very choppy. Should I change it to 1/16 or something else? If so do I just adjust the ratio using the ballscrew pitch or steps per rev or something like that?
[18:00:31] <yoshimitsuspeed> Figured it out. I went to 1/8 and adjusted the steps per rev.
[19:10:50] <yoshimitsuspeed> Now I am trying to figure out how to load the gantry configuration. If I click on linuxcnc I can choose gantry but it doesn't create a config file I can edit with stepconf. If I create a config in stepconf I can't figre out how to link it or integrate it with the gantry file.
[21:37:25] <icid> anyone machining tonight?
[21:37:40] <XXCoder1> no machine still
[21:37:44] <XXCoder1> you?
[21:39:10] <icid> making a few fixtures for jobs on monday
[21:39:24] <icid> ps: i also work as full time programmer / machinist
[21:39:34] <XXCoder1> nice
[21:39:54] <XXCoder1> cnc is my recent new hobby
[21:40:02] <XXCoder1> still gathering parts to build a cnc router
[21:40:33] <icid> for wood/plastic?
[21:40:45] <icid> do many of you guys have rigid enough setups for metal?
[21:40:45] <XXCoder1> I hope to make it rigid enough for alum
[21:41:03] <XXCoder1> many seem to do. many has large industual type
[21:41:08] <XXCoder1> I'm too poor for that shit lol
[21:41:13] <icid> yeah, why not just a bunch of steel ibeams, rails, ball screw
[21:41:41] <XXCoder1> So far I have entire electric system, SBR rails. I still need ball screws
[21:41:50] <icid> buddy is building one now, pretty sure balsa wood would break it
[21:42:02] <XXCoder1> latter is bit hard, need few hundred bucks
[21:42:10] <icid> ever thought about just buying a used bridgeport...
[21:42:22] <icid> and fitting it with your controller?
[21:42:36] <XXCoder1> Someone made a pretty big orders in my store so I might be able to afford one. how much would one be?
[21:43:18] <icid> a used bridgeport? crap, you can get those for under 1k. definately won't be pretty though
[21:43:59] <icid> i have one here, picked up for 1,250 with power x,y (no controller) and put a dro on it. thinking about fitting it with some sort of system
[21:44:53] <XXCoder1> 1k is quite expensive
[21:45:09] <XXCoder1> I might just make my machine partial 8020 since I apparently can afford it now.
[21:47:53] <icid> if you want rigid im saying. you could mill inconel with it haha
[21:48:48] <XXCoder1> all bridgeports seemt o be over 2k most times
[21:49:15] <XXCoder1> oh shit
[21:49:17] <XXCoder1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-VQC-20-50B-CNC-Mill-3-Axis-Vertical-Milling-Machine-w-Mazatrol-CAM-M-2-/191178172209?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item2c831b6731
[21:49:35] <icid> mazak, yeah those are awesome. older but yeah
[21:49:36] <XXCoder1> too bad I have no way to bring it.. or even fit in carport LOL
[21:49:42] <icid> yeah thats the thing tho
[21:49:59] <icid> you'd need place for machine oil, air supply and most of all...the power requirements
[21:51:01] <XXCoder1> I think work machines is all bridgeports. well not larger ones like cnc router one that looks like 6' by 10' and one stamper and one water jet cnc
[21:51:14] <XXCoder1> not sure though, never could take a close look
[21:51:29] <icid> we have newer mazaks
[21:51:57] <icid> mori seiki, star, citizen and okuma
[21:52:49] <XXCoder1> I'm no machinist so dont really know those brand names :D
[21:53:47] <XXCoder1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-CNC-3040Z-DQ-3-Axis-Router-engraving-drilling-milling-machine-engraver-Hot-/201091968673?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed203eea1
[21:53:56] <XXCoder1> tiny though lol
[21:54:06] <icid> hmmm
[21:54:08] <icid> needs more weight
[21:54:34] <XXCoder1> heh my cnc will be worse shape
[21:54:45] <icid> did you buy a kit?
[21:54:49] <XXCoder1> I'll be lucky to get 0.1 +- precision
[21:54:50] <XXCoder1> nah
[21:54:55] <XXCoder1> building my own
[21:54:57] <XXCoder1> *mm
[21:56:09] <XXCoder1> I got SBR rails though so it might help get decent precisoon. expeically since I plan to buy ball screws set
[21:56:16] <icid> 0.1mm or inch? ha
[21:56:44] <XXCoder1> nah
[21:56:51] <XXCoder1> 0.1 miles ;)
[21:57:17] <XXCoder1> "oh crap my 300mmx600mmx600mm somehow made hole in my car outside garage"
[21:57:53] <icid> neighbors may not like that
[21:58:01] <XXCoder1> yep lol
[21:58:35] <icid> actually, they won't eitherway once you get that thing routing aluminium. my guess is alot of chatter :P
[21:59:06] <XXCoder1> probably not. good thing I'm deaf ;)
[21:59:31] <XXCoder1> just need real good eye protection. I "hear" and "listen" with my eyes thank you very much.
[21:59:35] <icid> totally deaf?
[21:59:55] <XXCoder1> yeah techinically my ears work just fine
[22:00:07] <XXCoder1> its nerves thats totally bad. genetics is fun.
[22:00:18] <icid> years of hearing 1" shell mills plunging hs into metal has made my hearing quite poor. eye sight is just poor genetics haha
[22:00:48] <XXCoder1> tsk tsk wear some ear protection man
[22:00:52] <icid> i listen with my hand on the machine, you can feel when she likes the cut
[22:01:29] <XXCoder1> I wonder if I made myself "deaf" (made ears nonfunctional or degraded) by loud noises I didn't hear.
[22:02:03] <icid> hmmm...burst ear drum?
[22:02:15] <XXCoder1> I did sit right in front of giant speaker to read a book (not much of dancer). it was great massage but didnt hear anything as usual lol
[22:02:18] <XXCoder1> nah
[22:02:30] <XXCoder1> theres lot other possibilities
[22:02:43] <XXCoder1> your hearing has certain damage for one
[22:03:03] <icid> well, on the brightside, losing hearing vs losing sight...
[22:03:17] <XXCoder1> ironically blind think other way
[22:03:20] <icid> i think there is still luck out there for ya, at least you don't hear the wife nag
[22:03:33] <XXCoder1> trust me theres other ways
[22:03:37] <icid> haha
[22:03:52] <XXCoder1> Im single but know few married deaf people.
[22:03:58] <XXCoder1> like say my bro and his wife lol
[22:04:16] <icid> maybe its just severe selective hearing?
[22:04:21] <icid> or genetic haha
[22:04:32] <XXCoder1> nah genetics. entire family is deaf
[22:04:56] <XXCoder1> my dad was deafened by serious illness but geneties is from mom
[22:05:22] <icid> always sucks, sorry to hear man
[22:05:30] <XXCoder1> why?
[22:05:49] <XXCoder1> I find other fun genetic problems I have to be much more annoying than deaf
[22:06:03] <XXCoder1> I'm only one to have those fun issues too :P
[22:06:16] <icid> eitherway, makes running the router overnight not a big deal ha
[22:07:26] <XXCoder1> for me not a big deal but neighbors might complain so I wouldnt.
[22:12:04] <XXCoder1> anyway
[22:12:21] <XXCoder1> I hope to make my cnc rigid enough for milling alum
[22:12:29] <XXCoder1> so i could make parts for next cnc
[22:12:45] <XXCoder1> also can sell nice alum artworks
[22:15:08] <XXCoder1> I researched how to make quite rigid gantry with wood so I belive I can make it
[22:18:25] <icid> wood yeah
[22:19:06] <icid> if you're milling aluminium you'll need some meat to the thing. sorry, had to check and see if my endmill was still there haha
[22:19:08] <XXCoder1> I scavaged good amount of wood and damn good quality lamated wood sheets
[22:19:30] <XXCoder1> and my work I asked if I could grab bunch of wood from wood bin and they said yep
[22:19:32] <XXCoder1> whoo
[22:19:40] <icid> wait, so you're going to build the gantry with wood frame?
[22:19:44] <XXCoder1> gonna bring saw though most peices therte is huge!
[22:20:19] <XXCoder1> more or less. I plan to cheat quite a lot so even with wood frame it'll be very rigid where it counts.
[22:20:57] <XXCoder1> now that I have pretty good fund I might try make entire gantry 8020
[22:21:45] <XXCoder1> well most 8020 with some lamated wood
[22:40:58] <icid> lol
[22:41:15] <icid> good for a prototype, not sure about the metal milling
[22:41:31] <XXCoder1> yeah probably wont work
[22:41:36] <XXCoder1> but wood opnly is fine too
[22:41:44] <icid> yeah
[22:43:26] <icid> guy here build his from the kit and even added more to the frame, the aluminium rails and such. pretty sure he still isn't rigid enough.
[22:44:14] <XXCoder1> maybe is slow enough
[22:44:30] <XXCoder1> just need limited number of alum milling to make certain parts
[22:45:28] <icid> yeah. well it should be fun. once you get like 3/4 of the way done, you come up with all these other ideas and they progressively get more expensive and complex. its an addiction, a rewarding one.
[22:46:46] <XXCoder1> :) I just hope my first cnc can do basic stuff I can sell
[22:46:59] <XXCoder1> some of eaf culture specific stuff as well as other stuff
[22:47:31] <icid> once its built you can do whatever. fit it for laser. 3d print.
[22:48:07] <XXCoder1> yeah
[22:51:48] <AndChat507> evening folks
[22:52:21] <XXCoder1> hey generic android user
[22:52:51] <AndChat507> yup that's me generic...
[22:53:41] <AndChat507> lemme try this again...
[22:55:52] <PetefromTn> evening folks...
[22:56:05] <XXCoder1> hey pete
[22:56:24] <PetefromTn> that's better....
[22:56:30] <FrankZappa> hallo
[22:56:35] <PetefromTn> whatsgoinon?
[22:56:40] * FrankZappa passes the peace pipe around
[22:56:52] <FrankZappa> Im designing some newfangled idea.
[22:56:54] <PetefromTn> takes a long toke...
[22:57:16] <FrankZappa> I also learned that person #3 in my group, who is new ot me, has lots of regional connections.
[22:57:22] <FrankZappa> non-bluegrass
[22:57:45] <XXCoder1> pete was talking about my future cnc hegh
[22:57:51] <FrankZappa> more like contemporary electronic
[22:58:32] <PetefromTn> that's cool....I managed to blow up my ckc- last week..
[22:58:43] <PetefromTn> cnc
[22:59:33] <XXCoder1> cnc AND ckc wow what happened? ;)
[23:00:10] <PetefromTn> well I had converted the spindle control to modbus awhile back.
[23:00:35] <PetefromTn> then one day I realized that the spindle motor fan was not turning on.
[23:01:13] <PetefromTn> I realized that we had removed the control wires that did that to use the single wire for the modbus.
[23:01:50] <PetefromTn> well after discussing how to switch it back using the relay we used before.
[23:02:46] <PetefromTn> I got screwed up with my wiring and accidentally hooked the 24 volt power lead to the 110 volt AC motor voltage.
[23:02:52] <XXCoder1> ow
[23:02:59] <XXCoder1> magic smoke from spidle?
[23:03:34] <PetefromTn> this immediately fried the 24v power supply and also took out the field voltage side of my 7i 77 card.
[23:03:53] <XXCoder1> 7i thing cnc controller?
[23:04:20] <PetefromTn> no spindle is fine actually this was just a relay that controls the fan for cooling the spindle motor.
[23:04:50] <PetefromTn> yeah the 7i77 mesa card.
[23:05:01] <PetefromTn> NOT GOOD
[23:05:43] <XXCoder1> sigh. magic smoke. tend to be not fun magic
[23:06:04] <PetefromTn> I am getting a new 5i25/7i77 card delivered to the shop to get it fixed.
[23:06:47] <PetefromTn> already replaced a brand new 24 volt power supply in there along with a couple relays.
[23:07:26] <PetefromTn> in all it is gonna cost me about three hundred bucks assuming there is nothing else wrong.
[23:08:45] <Connor> PetefromTn: Getting BOTH 5i25 and 7i77 ?
[23:12:35] <Connor> PetefromTn: Getting BOTH 5i25 and 7i77 ?
[23:13:16] <PetefromTn> yeah well I need this bitch back working again and I don't want to pay shipping twice.
[23:13:26] <Connor> I understand that.
[23:13:48] <PetefromTn> gonna order them Monday and have them overnight shipped here.
[23:14:18] <PetefromTn> just praying that fixes it.
[23:14:58] <Connor> Couldn't image what else would be wrong.
[23:16:12] <PetefromTn> well actually everything is working all three axis drives are coming on the spindle drive and the coolant pump drivve all come on and seem to be working.
[23:16:48] <Connor> That's good.
[23:17:07] <PetefromTn> the computer comes on and boots up.
[23:17:29] <PetefromTn> tries to load LinuxCNC but gets an error looking for the 7i77 card.
[23:18:30] <PetefromTn> spoke with Pete from mesa earlier and he thinks the 3.3 volt regulator is blown on the card. he said if I sent it to him he might be able to fix it.
[23:19:20] <PetefromTn> if that happens I will then have two working combos in case I get a good deal on a cnc lathe somewhere.
[23:21:54] <Connor_iPad> Hopefully that will fix you up.
[23:22:15] <Connor_iPad> I really should get a 5i25 card.
[23:22:36] <PetefromTn> can't believe what a freaking dumbass meatheaded hamfisted moronic pathetically stupid move that was but hey what can I say....
[23:23:00] <Connor_iPad> Sh!t happens.
[23:23:31] <PetefromTn> shit happens when you don't concentrate on what you are screwing with.
[23:24:06] <PetefromTn> you shoulda seen the fireworks. it was amazingly depressing.
[23:25:05] <Connor_iPad> Probably about as bad as when I drilled into a conduit with a LIVe 440v line that was suppose to be dead.
[23:25:22] <icid> lol
[23:25:49] <PetefromTn> what surprised me the most is I searched eBay for a 24 volt power supply with the same specs and the one I ordered is a different brand but it is virtually identical in every way including the mounting holes.
[23:26:04] <Connor_iPad> Nice
[23:26:44] <PetefromTn> It is the exact same part I tell ya right down to the components on the board.
[23:26:54] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn: jope your repair is successfuk
[23:27:26] <PetefromTn> thanks I hope it is successfuk as well...hehe
[23:27:43] <XXCoder1> :)
[23:29:33] <PetefromTn> In the mean time I have a couple jobs waiting for me so it sucks pretty good. I sure picked a great time to decide to lunch my mill.
[23:30:25] <XXCoder1> is there ever a good time to break a mill?
[23:30:33] <XXCoder1> it dont tend to break during lull times
[23:30:38] <icid> yes, right before you scrap it
[23:30:45] <XXCoder1> and when its busy.. well of course its not good time
[23:30:55] <XXCoder1> lol
[23:30:57] <icid> but no, usually ours is when the servo dies right as i'm finishing a setup on a really hot job
[23:32:09] <PetefromTn> its a pisser huh...
[23:32:14] <icid> but really, the thing i worry about the most is worn wires
[23:32:46] <icid> because what happens is...15k goes out of bank account over a crappy ground wire that wore out from millions of peck drilling cycles
[23:33:06] <PetefromTn> me too which is why I gutted this bitch and replaced basically everything. just did not count on frying it up myself.
[23:33:58] <icid> not really frying, its called learning ;)
[23:34:33] <PetefromTn> I must say that with the Mesa cards when I lunched it I am only out a couple hundred whereas if it was the original control it would have easily been a couple grand.
[23:34:57] <icid> haha
[23:35:05] <icid> trust me, i know
[23:36:28] <Connor_iPad> Got my shelf installed. Trying to decide how to lay the tools out.
[23:36:56] <Connor_iPad> And how to setup the tool holders.
[23:37:01] <icid> our screw machines have four encoders, two servos and two convertors
[23:37:08] <PetefromTn> yeah unfortunately so do I. I tried to work wit the original control but that shit is crazy expensive.
[23:37:11] <icid> thats just in the main box
[23:38:02] <icid> our mazak and okuma mills have two each, one died last year. it was 15k and best part? they take the dead encoder for rebuild so they can sell it again. so almost 20k.
[23:38:27] <XXCoder1> fun
[23:38:32] <PetefromTn> jeez that's freaking insane.
[23:38:58] <icid> gosiger field service reps are a joke too
[23:39:10] <icid> so i'll take a card over that anyday :P
[23:39:41] <PetefromTn> I know these machines make you some cash but sometimes I wonder how they make any money if they have a machine that is not entire reliable
[23:39:55] <icid> oh they're reliable
[23:40:08] <XXCoder1> except when theyre not eh ;)
[23:40:09] <XXCoder1> jk
[23:40:16] <icid> i have six swiss machines and two mills running right now
[23:40:48] <icid> swiss machines have auto bar feeders and mills have robot cell with pallet changers
[23:41:40] <icid> yeah, costs more of them being down than buying all new drives for all the machines haha
[23:41:44] <XXCoder1> I sometimes really wonder hiw manby people here is like me
[23:42:59] <icid> like you?
[23:43:34] <XXCoder1> yeah hobby cnc
[23:43:44] <Connor_iPad> Allot.
[23:43:45] <XXCoder1> small scale and starting up
[23:44:32] <XXCoder1> ol' mean peer
[23:44:38] <XXCoder1> always resets connections
[23:44:39] <icid> i'm willing to bet all
[23:45:35] <icid> its always a hobby. one that can make you money.
[23:45:43] <XXCoder1> lol ok
[23:46:45] <XXCoder1> write error. thats new one by peer