#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-11

[00:49:31] <humble_s1a_bass> did programm just shit the bed
[00:49:38] <humble_s1a_bass> whoops
[01:16:46] <zmi> hi guys I have try to repair problem with driver network and video but doesnt work what can i do in linuxcnc
[02:20:25] <Deejay> moin
[02:27:35] <MrSunshine> hmm, i wonder if there is a special wake up or keep alive signal for these hb04 pendants
[02:27:46] <MrSunshine> the ones on usb cable there should be no problem to never let to into sleep mode
[02:27:58] <MrSunshine> while the wireless i understand why you would want them to do that
[05:48:23] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:17:44] <jdh> connor: just collets, no holder?
[10:30:23] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sinz-SP106-Steel-Coolant-Tubes-w-Flat-Nozzle-1-4-8-length-/171236060442 $6ea + $13ea for shipping?
[10:31:24] <MrHindsight> anyone try these http://www.ebay.com/itm/12pcs-Lathe-CNC-Machine-Flexible-Plastic-Water-Oil-Coolant-Pipe-Hose-With-Tap-US-/141230858293 ?
[10:43:24] <SpeedEvil> I have to admit, I'd likely be buying the latter
[10:54:26] <MrHindsight> what you can't see is the quality, do the connectors fall off after a day of use or do they crack after flexing 10x
[10:58:23] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12x-Flexible-Plastic-Water-Oil-Coolant-Pipe-Hose-for-Lathe-CNC-with-Switch-duq/310889853247?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D22405%26meid%3D6827192707027076540%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D8888%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D141230858293&rt=nc
[10:58:33] <XXCoder> only more because of shipping. opriobably china quality
[10:59:22] <XXCoder> those hoses can funnel liquids or air right>?
[10:59:44] <XXCoder> I'm thinking of evenually using couple to blow air
[11:00:33] <Tom_itx> with compatible liquids i'd say the plastic would outlast the metal ones
[11:01:01] <XXCoder> as usual everything depends on how and what youre using it with
[11:01:06] <Tom_itx> depending on the liquid pressure they should stay put
[11:01:21] <XXCoder> tom what about air though?
[11:01:33] <Tom_itx> pressure in general
[11:02:20] <Tom_itx> if it's constant you can adjust it, if it's an occasional blast of air it may move
[11:02:47] <XXCoder> yeah I'm thinking constant. enough to blow wood bits out and towards vacuum
[11:02:48] <Tom_itx> but so could anything else
[11:03:03] <Tom_itx> so you want low pressure
[11:03:06] <XXCoder> its my long term goal so not worried really
[11:03:07] <Tom_itx> that should be fine
[11:03:19] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, IMO lockline style are more obstinate, harder to direct to a new position. but more positions are possible.
[11:03:19] <tjtr33> the metal ones are better posn holders, but less range of freedom
[11:04:04] <tjtr33> that site is intersting, the gear change sensors and all the DIY inoculation stuff.... weird
[11:04:59] <Tom_itx> those last ones are 1/4" though
[11:05:39] <tjtr33> oh fer sure choose suitable flow ( i use em for sink edm, so lower pressure, but precise posn )
[11:05:44] <Tom_itx> which is probably fine
[11:08:59] <Tom_itx> the metal are a fixed length too
[11:26:35] <MrHindsight> tjtr33: DIY immunizations!
[11:27:40] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:30:49] <MrHindsight> http://www.timeout.com/chicago/attractions/dank-haus-shooting-range Shooting and Drinking!
[11:48:12] <tjtr33> System 3R had a set of special flushing nozzles, a 'comb' and a pinpoint, solid articulated arms. cant find them in production now, but i got a set if interested
[12:14:10] <Connor> Anyone know anything about this company? http://www.dzsalesllc.com/ ??
[12:14:25] <Connor> looking to buy collets.. and their cheaper than shars
[12:14:33] <Connor> http://www.dzsalesllc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=20-CS14&CartID=4
[12:18:22] <IchGuckLive> good price good company
[12:18:36] <Connor> They're dang near local to me.
[12:18:42] <Connor> I have to pay sales tax.. :(
[12:18:58] <IchGuckLive> i woudt give it a ride
[12:19:09] <Connor> huh ?
[12:19:10] <IchGuckLive> maybe local you can get even better deals
[12:19:21] <Connor> Well.. 2 hrs local...
[12:19:32] <IchGuckLive> call them
[12:20:08] <Connor> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1043
[12:20:15] <Connor> that was what I was looking at from Shars.
[12:21:46] <CaptHindsight> Shars mostly imports from China or has tools drop shipped from other importers in the Chicago area, DZ might do the same, but they don't mention the origin of the collets
[12:22:36] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271474123250.
[12:22:38] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271474123250
[12:22:41] <archivist> ebay and cut out the middleman :)
[12:22:47] <CaptHindsight> most of the tools I get have been ok, once in a while I get a reject that they didn't give me a problem returning
[12:22:48] <Connor> That's how I found them.
[12:23:02] <Connor> was looking on ebay..
[12:23:47] <CaptHindsight> like Automation Technologies, let them handle the importing and warranty
[12:24:45] <CaptHindsight> the problem I find with the cheap deals is what happens when you get a bad or wrong part in the set
[12:25:27] <CaptHindsight> DZ most likely imports from China and slaps their brand name on them
[12:26:05] <CaptHindsight> http://dzsalescatalog.thetoolbuyer.com/lg_display.cfm/page/Cover/catalog/Master_2014
[12:26:41] <CaptHindsight> looks like they carry lots of well know name brands as well
[12:30:36] <CaptHindsight> http://dzsalescatalog.thetoolbuyer.com/lg_display.cfm/catalog/Master_2014/page/662 the catalog price for a 12pc set of er-20 is $199
[12:31:07] <CaptHindsight> they list the brand name as ETM
[12:32:29] <CaptHindsight> or T&O, heh, check out the DNA collets Dead Nuts Accurate
[12:38:05] <CaptHindsight> http://dzsalescatalog.thetoolbuyer.com/lg_display.cfm/catalog/Master_2014/page/724 there are those coolant hose sets
[13:20:00] <XXCoder> gmag
[13:23:19] <XXCoder> gmag
[13:23:36] <gmag> hey
[13:23:52] <XXCoder> lol
[13:24:36] <XXCoder> bit of connection issue eh
[13:24:51] <gmag> :-/ it seems so, sry about that
[14:05:34] * SpeedEvil wonders about CNC scrollsaw.
[14:08:27] <XXCoder> anything can be cnc lol
[14:08:56] <Tom_itx> if you had a round blade the table wouldn't need to rotate
[14:13:28] <archivist> basically what a cnc water jet is
[14:17:33] <cpresser> anyone in here running a CO2-Laser? If yes, did you try to use nitrogenas air assist (instead of compressed air)?
[14:18:22] <kengu> yes and no
[14:19:36] <kengu> air is 78% nitrogen and nitrogenase is not gas at all
[14:20:01] <cpresser> there was a whitespace missing 'use nitrogen as..'
[14:21:12] <cpresser> since it would displace the oxygen i guess it would produce different results. especially when cutting wood
[14:37:36] <zmi> hi guys, i cant connetion with internet
[14:37:59] <zmi> so i cant donwload any programs to use linuxcnc
[14:39:17] <kengu> cpresser: yes it would be better I think
[14:39:47] <kengu> zmi: uhm?
[14:40:15] <zmi> uhm? dont understand
[14:40:18] <kengu> cpresser: there was some wiki(sh) page on material+gas combinations
[14:40:30] <CaptHindsight> zmi: why can't you connect?
[14:40:32] <kengu> zmi: what is the problem then?
[14:40:58] <CaptHindsight> zmi: no network connection or are you having problems with the network settings?
[14:41:21] <zmi> from the acknowledgment no wifi networks and I can not connect by cable.
[14:41:25] <CaptHindsight> zmi had trouble installing linuxcnc
[14:41:37] <CaptHindsight> zmi: do you do have a cable?
[14:42:00] <zmi> yes but nothing
[14:42:03] <CaptHindsight> zmi: does your network have DHCP or do you need to setup a static ip address?
[14:42:08] <zmi> no wifi, no cable
[14:42:37] <CaptHindsight> so you have no cable to plug into the network controller
[14:42:40] <zmi> no, how can i do that
[14:42:55] <CaptHindsight> do you have a network?
[14:43:02] <CaptHindsight> wired network?
[14:43:28] <CaptHindsight> do you have a spare connection on a router or switch?
[14:43:41] <zmi> i have network but since ubuntu no have
[14:43:59] <zmi> at the moment i m using wifi
[14:44:09] <zmi> but with cable no work
[14:44:52] <CaptHindsight> what do you have?
[14:45:06] <zmi> at the moment im using WIFI
[14:45:31] <CaptHindsight> so what is the problem if you are already using wifi?
[14:45:47] <Einar1> But you do have a cable, and a free port on a switch to connect that cable to?
[14:46:13] <zmi> i have problem with wifi and cable, i have go to internet since ubuntu never
[14:46:17] <CaptHindsight> zmi: don't be afraid to use Google translate
[14:46:47] <CaptHindsight> https://translate.google.com/
[14:47:04] <zmi> let me use translate one meoment
[14:47:31] <CaptHindsight> any native Spanish speakers around?
[14:50:19] <zmi> after installation of ubuntu, I can not conectaarme internet, does not recognize available networks, placed the cord, or you connect to internet. I went to the terminal and do the following,
[14:50:20] <zmi> ifconfig
[14:50:20] <zmi> after that
[14:50:20] <zmi> sudo ifconfig up pan0
[14:50:20] <zmi> but did not work
[14:50:52] <CaptHindsight> ubuntu wants you to use the network manager
[14:51:27] <zmi> yes
[14:51:28] <CaptHindsight> I forget on 10.04 what it looks like, maybe someone here knows
[14:52:04] <zmi> but i have 12.04
[14:52:20] <CaptHindsight> ok, I minute
[14:52:52] <CaptHindsight> zmi: do you have DHCP?
[14:53:27] <zmi> sorry but whats that
[14:53:54] <zmi> tell me what i must to write on terminal
[14:54:06] <CaptHindsight> zmi: don't use the terminal
[14:54:45] <CaptHindsight> Ubuntu needs the connection manager since they changed the locations and even rewrite ifconfig just to be difficult
[14:55:19] <zmi> what can i do?
[14:56:58] <CaptHindsight> zmi http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Precise_Network_Management#Networking
[14:57:14] <CaptHindsight> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Precise_Network_Management#Set_a_static_IP_address
[14:58:27] <CaptHindsight> or use the Network Connection manager in the taskbar
[15:00:28] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home Hey man are you around?
[15:04:24] <pcw_home> Yeah
[15:04:54] <zmi> caphindsight i did that before but nothing, i have seem on youtube sudo ipconfig -a
[15:04:55] <zmi> sudo ipcongif pan0 up
[15:04:55] <zmi> sudo dhclient eth0
[15:04:55] <zmi> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[15:04:55] <zmi> auto pan0
[15:04:55] <zmi> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[15:05:27] <zmi> is pan0 not eth0
[15:05:54] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home PM..
[15:11:42] <CaptHindsight> zmi: try #ubuntu
[15:12:25] <zmi> in this channel they say that linuxcnc is other ubuntu so they cant help me
[15:12:48] <cpresser> kengu: i could not find any wiki-pages with the search containing the word 'nitrogen'. do you have any more hints on where to search?
[15:12:54] <CaptHindsight> yeah they can, they just don't want to
[15:12:59] <XXCoder> zmi: just dont say linuxcnc
[15:13:11] <XXCoder> change nick and try again
[15:13:12] <CaptHindsight> just say 12.04 or precise
[15:13:21] <zmi> ok i try
[15:15:28] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: nitrogen is inert so no combustion or oxidation
[15:15:55] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: yes, that was the basic idea. i am looking for people who already tried this
[15:16:10] <cpresser> bevore i spend money on nitrogen and equipment
[15:16:43] <CaptHindsight> yeah, we use it for welding and direct metal laser sintering
[15:17:20] <cpresser> any experience in cutting acrylic with nitrogen-assist?
[15:17:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHaXX2OoOs4
[15:17:55] <XXCoder> looks like someone figured how to make da vanci printer less shitty http://hackaday.com/2014/05/11/unbricking-the-da-vinci-and-installing-custom-firmware/
[15:18:01] <CaptHindsight> we use nitrogen as an inert atmosphere for all types of applications where oxidation is an issue
[15:19:02] <CaptHindsight> we have machines that replace the air with nitrogen vs just a nitrogen nozzle
[15:19:12] <cpresser> the thing is: i am not sure if oxidation is an issue when cutting acrylic or wood with a co2-laser. it sounds like it could inprove the quality of the cut.
[15:19:23] <CaptHindsight> no fire
[15:19:38] <cpresser> very good point :)
[15:20:03] <cpresser> what are you using as supply? bottles or some kind of generator?
[15:21:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.2spi.com/catalog/instruments/liquid-nitrogen-dewars.php
[15:22:00] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: or the ~330 CF bottles
[15:22:52] <cpresser> liquid nitrogen could be an issue. we have some strict safety regulations in germany :/
[15:23:27] <CaptHindsight> yeah, don't know the rules there sorry
[15:23:44] <cpresser> i dont know them either, but usually those are quite strict.
[15:24:23] <CaptHindsight> I can see acetylene, oxygen, propane but nitrogen is inert
[15:25:12] <CaptHindsight> but you can get the cylinders to explode or fly around if you try hard enough
[15:25:29] <XXCoder> pressured tank + hole = rocket
[15:25:48] <XXCoder> reardless of what material its pressure is made from
[15:26:29] <XXCoder> mythbusters managed to make hole of brick wall, AND wall behind it when they sliced pump control off pressurized oxy tank
[15:27:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-xmaPSZ6GM
[15:28:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejEJGNLTo84
[15:28:40] <DaViruz> there has been some accidents with liquid nitrogen where poorly informed janitors have sealed the bleed valves on the dewars
[15:28:50] <DaViruz> thinking they were leaking
[15:28:51] <XXCoder> lol you linked when I found it
[15:29:26] <cpresser> there are regulations on how to handle pressured bottles in germany^^
[15:29:58] <XXCoder> one things for sure
[15:30:16] <XXCoder> mythbusters is big nerds
[15:30:24] <XXCoder> probably why I love show o much
[15:30:53] <cpresser> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSUMBBFjxrY
[15:31:06] <CaptHindsight> http://makezine.com/2010/06/07/diy-liquid-nitrogen-generator/
[15:31:19] <XXCoder> cpresser: whats he say? no caption aviliable
[15:31:50] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: from what I see, if you want liquidified air, cheapest way is make your own powerful stirling motor
[15:31:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitrogen-Generator-for-Nitrogen-tire-filling-systems-/300611492960
[15:31:57] <cpresser> XXCoder: remember kids the difference between science and screwing around is: writing it down
[15:32:03] <XXCoder> lol thanks
[15:33:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-purity-Nitrogen-gas-generator-N2-0-300ml-min-US-110V-or-220V-/400500091029
[15:33:37] <XXCoder> one of my wild plan is to make bigger stirling motor, see if I can make referaror out of it
[15:35:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dhgate.com/product/dhgate/164014800.html/?utm_source=pla&utm_medium=GMC&utm_campaign=master_auto_tech&utm_term=164014800&f=bm|164014800|112010-VehicleTools|GMC|Adwords|pla|master_auto_tech|US|112010002-DiagnosticTools|c||0HRF|&gclid=CKCVmJfYpL4CFaY-Mgod3k8Aog
[15:35:47] <XXCoder> stirling air liquidifier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_bGkztd7t0
[15:36:06] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: what do the fancy cycle and motorsports shops use there for their nitrogen supply?
[15:36:14] <cpresser> that nitrogen generator is big :/
[15:36:40] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: i guess bottles of pressurized nitrogen. you can get those quite easy around here
[15:37:25] <XXCoder> wonder if theres liquidified air distaller to get of gases you dont want.
[15:38:20] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: can you seal your laser cabinet?
[15:38:22] <humble_sea_bass> getting nitrogen delivered is easy
[15:38:37] <CaptHindsight> to Germany?
[15:38:49] <XXCoder> I also wonder if its cheaper to liquidify air in living room and let it warm up (you'd have to somehow pumpo heat outside) so net result is awesome air cooler
[15:39:25] <XXCoder> one awesome thing is no freon
[15:40:14] <CaptHindsight> even a not completely sealed cabinet would be ok as long as you can keep some positive pressure inside
[15:40:29] <CaptHindsight> small leaks will be ok
[15:40:47] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: i dont want to seal it. i need ventilation
[15:40:50] <cpresser> to get the fumes out
[15:41:16] <XXCoder> use them blue tubes to constantly blow nigrogen to site where laser hits?
[15:42:34] <cpresser> http://ca.rstenpresser.de/wp-files/2013/10/IMG_1862.small_.jpg
[15:42:54] <cpresser> thats the nozzle. the orange tube is for the air-assist
[15:43:13] <humble_sea_bass> cant you just use welding gas blown locally
[15:43:44] <cpresser> welding-gas? as in argon? thats way more expensive then nitrogen
[15:43:58] <humble_sea_bass> seems nutty to try and do positive pressurization on the chamber while exhausting, you'll use up your gas super fast
[15:44:11] <SpeedEvil> Welding gas can be anything from nitrogen, argon, CO2, or even carbon monoxide
[15:44:33] <cpresser> co2 is a bad choice. because it will absorb to much of the laser
[15:44:45] <SpeedEvil> Probably
[15:44:55] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure though - it's only a centimeter
[15:46:12] <humble_sea_bass> argon is heavier than air so it washes over the weld/laser site
[15:46:27] <cpresser> i guess ill have to try it and compare results.
[15:47:14] <XXCoder> cool http://stirlingultracold.com/
[15:47:18] <XXCoder> literally
[15:47:51] <XXCoder> unfortunately it dont state price. it means I cant afford it
[15:48:33] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: right wing conspiracy by the energy co's to keep them from being sold :)
[15:48:37] <XXCoder> lol
[15:48:54] <SpeedEvil> Oddly - my chest freezer will hit -50C if Ihit the 'boost' button, and leave it for a couple ofdays
[15:49:13] <XXCoder> good insulation
[15:49:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.johnlewis.com/hotpoint-rcnaa300p-1-chest-freezer-a-energy-rating-130cm-wide-white/p611499?kpid=232323483&s_kenid=1c62d3fb-5bcb-ff89-93c5-00007115d6af&s_kwcid=128x38513&tmad=c&tmcampid=73
[15:49:27] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[15:52:55] <XXCoder> nice http://www.elmanet.info/en-us/38/cogenerative-stirling-engine.html
[15:54:14] <XXCoder> finally. http://ve-ingenieure.de/stirlingshop.html plans for cnc made stirling motor
[15:57:05] <SpeedEvil> yeah - well...
[15:57:18] <SpeedEvil> making 'a' stirling engine is damn easy
[15:57:37] <SpeedEvil> making one with decent efficiency and power density is an engineering challenge.
[15:57:43] <XXCoder> always
[16:00:31] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr-zoQXRZmg
[16:01:48] <tjtr33> SpeedEvil, Japax used to make diamond coated wire saw for graphite electrodes. cant find one, but this showed up http://gobizkorea.com/catalog/product_view.jsp?blogId=sunjindy&objId=954150
[16:02:09] <XXCoder> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/stirling-engines/212312-last-stirling-engine.html?212312-My%20last%20Stirling%20engine=
[16:03:07] <SpeedEvil> I found a paper on using 'used' diamond wire saw material that's used for slicing silicon for wood - withsurprisingly good results
[16:04:15] <SpeedEvil> Alas - that's another search that doesn't pop up onebay
[16:05:25] <tjtr33> http://www.dramet.com/en/diamond-wire-saws/diamond-wire-saw-ds750nc4
[16:05:52] <tjtr33> and IchGuch's foam saw should eb a good cfg
[16:25:11] <tjtr33> http://imagebin.org/310263 used 2 coping saw like diamond wire blades, and Toko cnc chipset
[16:29:02] <Deejay> gn8
[16:52:41] <XXCoder> http://cheezburger.com/7150684928
[16:59:27] <SpeedEvil> tjtr33: no - I mean the wire used
[17:04:38] <kengu> i think I need one more laser, something like this: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/co2-laser-100w-plastic-cutting-machine/1060406856.html
[17:31:44] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_8Rsdte5s I want this laser
[17:32:42] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3YCACZQ72Q - rather - the handheld one
[19:17:16] <s1dev> I'm planning on making a micrometer carriage stop, where can I find a cheap micrometer head ($25-40) for one? I was thinking that I could take the head out of a cheap micrometer from harbor freight, but I'm not 100% that it will work, thoughts?
[19:35:06] <zeeshan> s1dev: why wont that work
[19:35:27] <zeeshan> you'll only have a 1" range though
[19:37:42] <s1dev> removing the head from the body
[19:38:07] <s1dev> Yeah, I was hoping someone had an alternative
[19:38:44] <zeeshan> micrometer heads are fairly cheap
[19:39:08] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Mitutoyo-Micrometer-Head-149-185-Machinist-Free-Shipping-/221433004040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338e6f8008
[19:39:10] <zeeshan> bid on that
[19:39:14] <zeeshan> ends in 39 min
[19:39:17] <zeeshan> i bet you can get that for $15
[19:40:05] <zeeshan> only does 0-0.5"
[19:40:06] <zeeshan> though
[19:41:30] <s1dev> 1" is barely managable
[19:41:54] <s1dev> although ebay is a good idea
[19:41:57] <s1dev> thanks
[19:47:02] <s1dev> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1903/01quot_Micrometer_Head here we go
[20:32:01] <CaptHindsight> what's the DSM classification for the disorder people have that write Howto's or post Howto videos that are inaccurate or are skipping several steps?
[20:33:10] <jdh> engineers
[20:34:51] <CaptHindsight> why all the effort for something that isn't even a complete howto? It can't just be for the attention...
[20:36:07] <jdh> people tend to gloss over or skip things they consider common knowledge
[20:36:09] <CaptHindsight> lots of websites do it just to generate traffic
[20:36:26] <jdh> yeah, those really suck.
[20:36:36] <jdh> I think those peopel get paid $5 to write teh crap
[20:51:09] <zmi> a question I can install linuxcnc en mint how can i do, this ubuntu is a big problem
[20:57:18] <CaptHindsight> zmi: if you can't get it working from the Linuxcnc livecd your chances of installing from Mint are even lower
[20:59:54] <CaptHindsight> zmi: how about installing from the Spanish version of Ubuntu, then add the Linuxcnc repos and then install the Linuxcnc packages and kernel?
[21:00:53] <CaptHindsight> zmi: or choose Spanish when installing from the Linuxcnc livecd?
[21:01:30] <zmi> yes i have change language to spanish
[21:04:38] <zmi> what must I do for working on mint?
[21:04:46] <Valen> replace the kernel
[21:04:54] <Valen> not trivial
[21:04:57] <Valen> at all
[21:05:10] <Valen> did you ever work out what the problem with ubuntu livecd was?
[21:05:21] <CaptHindsight> he can't get his networking setup using the livecd as it is
[21:05:41] <Valen> thats unusual
[21:05:53] <Valen> I'd suggest a $5 intel PCI network card lol
[21:06:07] <CaptHindsight> he got it installed but now he can't get it connected to his network and he doesn't know if he uses DHCP or what it is
[21:06:35] <Valen> I'm suprised it didn't work out of the box without touching anything
[21:08:38] <CaptHindsight> he said he has wifi. but how that connects to his PC is still unclear
[21:08:59] <Valen> oh wifi, thats going to be a bad time
[21:09:08] <CaptHindsight> wifi usb dongle, wifi in the building, I can't get an answer
[21:09:48] <CaptHindsight> wifi router with wired connection to NIC? we don't know
[21:10:08] <zmi> if i go to terminal what must i do? so i can tell you more details
[21:10:36] <CaptHindsight> zmi: do you have a cable plugged into the PC's network card?
[21:10:54] <Valen> blue cable generally
[21:11:08] <Valen> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Cat_5.jpg
[21:11:11] <Valen> one of those
[21:11:57] <CaptHindsight> zmi: do you have something like that plugged into your PC? If so what is connected to the other end of the cable?
[21:12:50] <zmi> at tho moment im using wifi connection but when i use that cable doesnt working
[21:12:50] <Valen> CaptHindsight: do be a bit gentle, I think he is running everything through google translate and I'm guessing running between rooms lol
[21:12:59] <CaptHindsight> Valen: how is Monday by the way?
[21:13:06] <Valen> ok so far
[21:13:25] <Valen> adjusted my new kneeling chair, seems to be working better now
[21:13:39] <CaptHindsight> zmi: how is the wifi connected to your PC?
[21:14:31] <CaptHindsight> zmi: is this a laptop?
[21:15:07] <zmi> yes a laptop
[21:15:07] <CaptHindsight> we have no problem with using Google translate, take your time
[21:15:20] <CaptHindsight> ah hah!
[21:15:39] <CaptHindsight> what make and model laptop?
[21:15:50] <zmi> vit p2402
[21:15:57] <zmi> intel core i3
[21:16:27] <CaptHindsight> zmi: did you run the latency test in Linuxcnc yet on that laptop?
[21:17:15] <zmi> no, how can I do that
[21:17:23] <CaptHindsight> zmi: laptops usually don't work well with Linuxcnc
[21:17:52] <CaptHindsight> zmi: can you run the Linuxcnc livecd or is it already installed?
[21:18:25] <zmi> already installed
[21:18:26] <CaptHindsight> zmi: did you install the Linuxcnc Livecd or an Ubuntu CD?
[21:18:33] <zmi> yes
[21:18:46] <CaptHindsight> which one?
[21:18:51] <zmi> installed
[21:18:57] <CaptHindsight> which install?
[21:19:07] <zmi> linuxcnc
[21:19:43] <CaptHindsight> in the application menu look for the Linuxcnc latency test
[21:20:06] <zmi> i had to delete a file called splas quiet i could remember well
[21:20:25] <zmi> i must do reboot?
[21:20:26] <CaptHindsight> or from a terminal run: latency-test
[21:20:30] <zmi> ok
[21:20:37] <zmi> just one
[21:22:48] <zmi> ok going to ubuntu talk in a while
[21:23:06] <CaptHindsight> ok, we'll be here all week :)
[21:27:18] <CaptHindsight> now we just need to know what his latency test number are
[21:28:47] <CaptHindsight> and also how he plans on connecting his hardware to the laptop, probably USB since nothing else has gone well
[21:56:57] <zeeshan> lol
[22:11:11] <tjtr33> ifconfig will tell you something of his possibilities
[22:12:09] <tjtr33> ha hes gone
[22:13:50] <FrankZappa> god damn
[22:13:57] <FrankZappa> zeeshan is quite hard on the eyes
[22:19:09] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: I'm just filling everybody in since he's been trying to get his system working for the past few days
[22:20:13] <CaptHindsight> and he's answers aren't the clearest or often contradictory
[22:20:20] <tjtr33> yah i know it problem, that was a suggestion i figgered couldnt be misinterpreted, (hah)
[22:20:26] <CaptHindsight> he's/his
[22:22:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.roloeganga.com.ve/lara/computadores/Laptop_vit_core_i3_mod_p2402_01__nueva__350859.htm might be his laptop
[22:24:18] <CaptHindsight> no miniPCIe just USB, I don't see any ethernet listed either
[22:27:16] <skunkworks> great for mach
[22:28:59] <CaptHindsight> http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ve/MLV-421958432-laptop-p2402-intel-core-i3-_JM this mentions Network Card: Integrated 10/100/1000 Mbps
[22:29:09] <tjtr33> Tarjeta de Red: Integrada 100/1000 Mbps seen on other sites for that laptop
[22:29:17] <tjtr33> you fast!
[22:29:55] <CaptHindsight> rĂ¡pido
[22:30:12] <tjtr33> but maybe he just wants sim? did he talk @ a machine tool?
[22:30:33] <CaptHindsight> all those years in the city you'd figure I'd remember some Spanish
[22:31:06] <CaptHindsight> we haven't gotten that far, he spent 3 days getting the CD to burn properly and install
[22:35:57] <tjtr33> whers the user map? maybe he can find a countryman ( i only got info about the map when i googled 'linuxcnc user map')
[22:36:17] <CaptHindsight> does Ubuntu use pan0 vs eth0?
[22:37:23] <skunkworks> eth
[22:38:53] <CaptHindsight> looks like pan0 is bluetooth
[22:39:11] <zeeshan> blue tooth!
[22:39:12] <zeeshan> gross
[22:43:23] <Jymmmm> zeeshan: ?
[22:43:29] <zeeshan> what
[22:43:34] <zeeshan> i got a laptop today
[22:43:36] <zeeshan> its got bluetooth
[22:43:40] <Jymmmm> and?
[22:43:41] <zeeshan> had to disable it cause it was eating battery
[22:43:45] <zeeshan> :]
[22:44:01] <Jymmmm> BT doesn't eat batteries, somethign else is up
[22:44:07] <zeeshan> hm
[22:44:19] <zeeshan> seems to be much better with it off
[22:44:24] <Jymmmm> ppl have BT heassets on 8+ hours a day
[22:44:38] <Jymmmm> It might be, but it might be a driver or APM or something
[22:44:57] <Jymmmm> or a buggy driver
[22:45:02] <CaptHindsight> BT with long range on by default
[22:45:09] <tjtr33> Personal Area Networking Profile (PAN) allows Bluetooth devices to form an ad-hoc network, access a remote network through a network access point.
[22:45:17] <tjtr33> i never noticed
[22:45:45] <CaptHindsight> BT heated seat adapter :)
[22:45:57] <Jymmmm> zeeshan: Just saying that a normally operating BT doesn't drain batteries
[22:46:13] <zeeshan> ah okay
[22:46:21] <tjtr33> no its the BT cnc drivers that eat power :)
[22:46:55] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: does your BT EDM draw lotsa power?
[22:47:17] <tjtr33> 32V at 150 amps!
[22:47:22] <Jymmmm> lol
[22:47:52] <tjtr33> i cannot find the linuxcnc user map ( alex's google map)
[22:48:41] <tjtr33> alex_joni, hello, is the user map alive? where/ thx!
[22:49:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/linuxcnc-user-map
[22:49:14] <CaptHindsight> works here
[22:49:28] <tjtr33> dang thats unsearchable
[22:50:18] <tjtr33> huh? a login page for forum?
[22:50:27] <CaptHindsight> huh there's a user in Nanjing!
[22:53:09] <tjtr33> zmi was where? (not Barcelona)
[22:53:31] <CaptHindsight> the laptop is from Venezuela I think
[22:53:50] <tjtr33> i'll search
[22:54:15] <tjtr33> i think he was in Spain
[22:55:15] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: know a Ken Dill with an old webpage (now 404) picocnc.com in the area?
[22:57:13] <tjtr33> no, try the wayback machine?
[22:58:28] <tjtr33> haha zmi find sebs ZMInskyku
[22:58:43] <tjtr33> kuZMinsky
[23:02:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcgbWrX6FDM looks like a real machine
[23:04:14] <CaptHindsight> not the same one
[23:05:50] <CaptHindsight> only 1 user in Taiwan
[23:07:41] <XXCoder> 0.09mm and 0.01 mm errors
[23:09:26] <tjtr33> .TH thats thailand not .tw
[23:09:35] <tjtr33> looks nice
[23:09:51] <tjtr33> whats with the mandatory bad musicfor pro machines?
[23:09:59] <XXCoder> contract
[23:10:20] <XXCoder> seriously I ddidnt know most had bad music lol
[23:10:42] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: those were two separate comments, the waterjet and the 1 user in taiwan
[23:11:00] <CaptHindsight> there are more, they just aren't listed
[23:11:02] <tjtr33> he held the jaws of the vernier so you coulnt read belly in cut. maybe ok but cant tell from they way he msrd
[23:11:17] <tjtr33> oh the user map
[23:11:25] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[23:12:58] <tjtr33> im pretty sure zmi was spain, i turned him onto an engr in Barcelona who does cnc. yeah wasnt zmi part of the design group behind the robotic kitchen?
[23:13:37] <tjtr33> no im thinkin jesusalso / alos
[23:14:06] <CaptHindsight> he'll be back
[23:14:16] <tjtr33> arnold
[23:14:26] <CaptHindsight> is there a list of bot commands in here?
[23:15:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities.aspx should be on the bot whenever steppers get asked about
[23:15:40] <tjtr33> not that i know of, i figgered they were scripts by the bot author
[23:15:50] <CaptHindsight> !help
[23:15:59] <CaptHindsight> !
[23:17:31] <tjtr33> i keep some notes, heres one !later nick message
[23:17:45] <FrankZappa> nice article, CaptHindsight
[23:18:15] <FrankZappa> as a somewhat hobbyist, this is great. I have a shop pal who knows what he's doing, but it's not really his job to teach me everything
[23:18:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.micromo.com/why-stepper-motors-lose-steps.aspx
[23:18:40] <XXCoder> Heh I cant wait to have fully functional cnc to play around with
[23:19:11] <CaptHindsight> FrankZappa: machine design has lots of great articles as well
[23:20:00] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/
[23:20:31] <tjtr33> that PICO machine is serious, tenths on dro, and a laser set up to check it out. other vids show it with ball bar tester
[23:20:42] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/essentials-motion-control
[23:21:12] <FrankZappa> waycool
[23:21:16] <FrankZappa> waywaycool thanks
[23:21:28] <FrankZappa> my buddy is outfitting his first real solo shop
[23:21:35] <CaptHindsight> oh and avoid #reprap
[23:21:38] <FrankZappa> and I'm a designer type, no real metals experience
[23:21:50] <FrankZappa> we're going to make architectural features
[23:22:04] <Valen> CnC em out of brass
[23:22:07] <FrankZappa> no real metal *working* experience
[23:22:08] <Valen> steampunk FTW?
[23:22:24] <FrankZappa> but a bit of structural engineering experience
[23:22:47] <FrankZappa> also we might buy coil and figure out how to slit and form it
[23:24:05] <FrankZappa> we have no real progress on DIY CNC other than a) 4x10 steel table b) plasma torch with whatever special version for CNC c) bunch of random pillowblocks, clamps, et
[23:24:23] <FrankZappa> d) cable race material, randomly
[23:25:51] <FrankZappa> "Due to a trademark dispute, after EMC 2.4 the project will be referred to as LinuxCNC - A longer but more descriptive name. " http://i.imgur.com/WtNbgQV.jpg
[23:26:47] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: no sign of any plywood used in the design :) except maybe as a splash guard
[23:27:24] <tjtr33> thier website show an iphone remote app to monitor the cnc
[23:28:14] <CaptHindsight> how else do you keep track of cutting the 4" metal plate while at lunch or on the golf course?
[23:28:53] <FrankZappa> right, right
[23:29:02] <FrankZappa> that's how QC works these days?
[23:29:18] <FrankZappa> someone told me tonight they were in one of the big tech company's datacenters...
[23:29:36] <FrankZappa> said the AC was cranked but undersized, and the tiles were popped off the walls
[23:29:51] <FrankZappa> because 60 degrees down below, 95 degrees above
[23:30:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maCJiqC1tDw
[23:31:21] <tjtr33> sanndia labs :)
[23:31:25] <XXCoder> capt what if cnc is actinbg screwy and youre miles away?
[23:31:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm63IlsQn-Q Micromachining at 300,000 rpm
[23:31:36] <XXCoder> wouldnt that break stuff while uyou drive there
[23:32:07] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: I wasn't being serious
[23:32:12] <XXCoder> lol ok
[23:33:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.potomac-laser.com/services/capabilities/micro-hole-drilling/
[23:34:16] <XXCoder> 300k rpm wow
[23:35:52] <tjtr33> the sandia thing is a teeny tiny cadillac gauge, cool
[23:36:41] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0vQIaUZGu4 "$20" sure :P
[23:40:00] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: how close can EDM get to this? http://www.imra.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/10-micron-hole-in-SCD.jpg
[23:41:46] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/354AAMXQeW5Tb5Tx/$_20.JPG
[23:41:48] <zeeshan> what are these?
[23:46:54] <tjtr33> punches, see the ball retainer? for a die
[23:47:49] <tjtr33> ould be for a strippit
[23:47:54] <tjtr33> c
[23:49:04] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$T2eC16RHJIkE9qU3kWtOBQP65I%2947w~~60_57.JPG
[23:49:43] <CaptHindsight> would be the mating tool
[23:50:22] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, that could be done w edm http://www.smaltec.com/resources/SmalTec_EM203_Specs.pdf <-- in Lisle
[23:51:14] <FrankZappa> THat reminds me of a joke.
[23:51:36] <FrankZappa> What is the sound of Micromachining at 300,000 rpm ?
[23:51:50] <FrankZappa> "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
[23:53:10] <tjtr33> panasonic does 5um dia holes http://prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/2005/055023.pdf
[23:53:48] <tjtr33> and it sounds more annoying than cute
[23:55:06] <CaptHindsight> I gots to build me one
[23:56:10] <tjtr33> look into the purdue pulse generator
[23:57:18] <CaptHindsight> only nS vs fS for laser
[23:57:32] <tjtr33> http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~rsundara/docs/ns_pulser.pdf
[23:58:26] <tjtr33> ixsys not IR fets
[23:59:25] <tjtr33> gnite all!