#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-05

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[00:58:37] <CaptHindsight> too bad it's $598 http://linuxgizmos.com/rugged-com-express-module-pairs-i-mx6-with-altera-fpga/
[01:00:56] <witnit> I wonder if its possible to build two systems each with their own plug and go kit but interfaced into the same hardware and one system could act as a redundancy for the other.
[01:01:24] <witnit> so you could hotswap any computer components anytime
[01:01:40] <witnit> without shutting down a whole line
[01:02:30] <witnit> it seems critical in some industries
[01:03:20] <toastyde2th> it is, and it is done
[01:03:23] <toastyde2th> usually with three systems
[01:03:32] <witnit> awesome
[01:03:49] <witnit> has it been done with mesa?
[01:03:53] <toastyde2th> no idea
[01:04:03] <toastyde2th> i'm only familiar with the broad idea
[01:04:05] <witnit> I should bug pcw_home about it
[01:04:07] <toastyde2th> not any particular systems
[01:04:22] <toastyde2th> my understanding is that it's really hard to do
[01:04:26] <CaptHindsight> it depends on how much redundancy you want
[01:04:54] <CaptHindsight> 2nd pc and mesa cards and motor drivers or where do you draw the line?
[01:04:57] <witnit> well im talking from the daughtercard to the apc
[01:05:01] <witnit> yeah drivers too
[01:05:19] <witnit> but motors and encoders would have to be stacked and thats not affordable unless required
[01:05:40] <CaptHindsight> or even gave the space
[01:05:45] <witnit> right
[01:05:54] <CaptHindsight> is this a surgical robot or something? :)
[01:06:15] <witnit> I was thinking something along the lines of a train
[01:06:21] <witnit> but haha I dunno whatever you need it for
[01:06:29] <toastyde2th> in sattelites and other very critical stuff they use a three-computer voting system
[01:06:38] <witnit> ahh
[01:06:44] <witnit> fair enough
[01:06:46] <toastyde2th> where if two of the three computer attempt to take the same action, it occurs
[01:06:55] <toastyde2th> *computers
[01:07:08] <toastyde2th> the hardware redundancy exists in some cases but is usually fully parallel
[01:07:12] <toastyde2th> like hydraulics
[01:07:25] <witnit> I was just trying to think of a modular based for the mesa cards
[01:07:26] <toastyde2th> and they're mechanically coupled so that if one isn't acting, it doesn't impede the backups
[01:07:27] <CaptHindsight> the banksters used to have lockstep dual cpu's for all financial trades
[01:07:40] <CaptHindsight> they probably don't bother anymore
[01:09:00] <toastyde2th> also with similar voting systems
[01:09:08] <toastyde2th> one of the three computers has a completely seperate codebase
[01:09:30] <CaptHindsight> heh, now they just have random number generators or swap values :)
[01:12:10] <CaptHindsight> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271471024038 such a deal!
[01:12:51] <CaptHindsight> down from $3000
[01:12:55] <witnit> im too far :/
[01:13:15] <witnit> if you ever see deals near indiana, hit me up :)
[01:13:45] <CaptHindsight> you mean after I drag it home? :)
[01:14:07] <witnit> I have a nice big place to store your good finds =D
[01:14:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370729400325
[01:15:34] <witnit> chucker though :/
[01:15:59] <witnit> too bad not a barloader
[01:16:23] <witnit> still well worth it probably just for components
[01:16:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-SPINDLE-ALLEN-MULTIPLE-SPINDLE-DRILL-SVDP25-/370729447797
[01:18:01] <CaptHindsight> crazy stuff
[01:18:54] <witnit> yeah
[01:19:13] <witnit> I just watched two 3-1/2 inch 6 spindle acmes each go for 3,000
[01:19:45] <toastyde2th> it's hard to beat overseas pricing on screw shop jobs
[01:20:35] <witnit> yeah, I do okay though, it seems the work is becoming more plenty and im taking away single spindle cnc jobs =D
[01:21:01] <witnit> davenports are still very affordable and can do some rather complex work
[01:21:12] <toastyde2th> yeah, lathe shops that have never heard of a screw machine are shocked when someone can beat them
[01:21:25] <toastyde2th> or a shave tool, for that matter
[01:21:30] <witnit> yeah
[01:21:34] <witnit> shave is gold
[01:21:38] <witnit> boxtool is gold
[01:21:59] <witnit> 3 second time on a 4 inch part is gold
[01:22:04] <toastyde2th> one of my long-term goals when i am 60 and have a well-stocked home shop
[01:22:11] <toastyde2th> is to learn to make shave tools the old fashioned way
[01:22:22] <witnit> the old fashioned way?
[01:22:32] <toastyde2th> grinder with a visual comparator on it
[01:22:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/KITAMURA-Mycenter-2-Vertical-CNC-FOR-PARTS-ONLY-/321371699409
[01:22:44] <witnit> oh, yeah its not hard :)
[01:22:44] <toastyde2th> and a radius dresser
[01:22:57] <witnit> yes I make mine like so
[01:23:29] <toastyde2th> i've done very little grinder work, so i have no idea
[01:23:34] <toastyde2th> i will take your word for it though
[01:23:35] <witnit> they have circular forms
[01:23:40] <witnit> those are fun
[01:24:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-MH-40-/321396948356 $4,500.00 Mori-Seiki MH-40 w/11M controls
[01:24:48] <toastyde2th> shit yeah
[01:24:56] <toastyde2th> i'd take that in a second
[01:25:07] <toastyde2th> i love old mori seiki shit
[01:25:08] <witnit> I keep bookmarking them for when i have more money haah
[01:25:23] <witnit> I will be a collector of machines some day im sure
[01:25:39] <CaptHindsight> just a bit too small for me, I have parts 24" and just over :(
[01:26:16] <witnit> http://www.internationalscrew.com/images/Products_Services/circular_form_tools_circular_shave_tools.jpg
[01:26:32] <witnit> you do those between centers
[01:27:29] <witnit> instead of a dovetail shave which you do on a surface grinder
[01:28:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMC20-HURCO-Three-Axis-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-New-1989-/321395675712 BMC20 HURCO
[01:29:28] <witnit> I would offer 1250
[01:29:35] <witnit> watch em squirm
[01:30:35] <toastyde2th> you can find functioning shit for that price, though
[01:30:39] <witnit> yep
[01:31:04] <witnit> people throw out machines that are 4-5 times that ones value because of bad relay
[01:31:05] <toastyde2th> like, imho, if you can get functional hardware with a functional control for the price, get it and keep the control
[01:31:25] <toastyde2th> i don't understand throwing out fucking fantastic controls just for funsies
[01:31:54] <witnit> cost of repair is greater than value of machine?
[01:32:05] <toastyde2th> there's no cost of repair if everything's working
[01:32:15] <toastyde2th> like okay, if it explodes i can understand then replacing the control
[01:32:32] <toastyde2th> but i saw people both at my work and in here throw out completely functioning controls
[01:32:47] <toastyde2th> to tack on some other thing that doesn't have half the features
[01:32:59] <toastyde2th> and is a nightmare to set up
[01:33:10] <witnit> :P
[01:33:32] <CaptHindsight> but give someone a raise.... never ... but chucking a good machine fora bad relay, no problem
[01:33:52] <witnit> all my build have been from scratch, I dont know what other controls look like
[01:34:01] <witnit> never seen or used any of the known stuff
[01:34:27] <toastyde2th> fanuc's motion control is top notch, even in the older controls
[01:34:31] <witnit> just linuxcnc and used mesa cards and then all random motors amp encodersd
[01:34:53] <toastyde2th> and it has really, really, REALLY useful canned cycles that 3rd party controls (linuxcnc included) just don't have
[01:35:03] <witnit> i bet
[01:35:18] <toastyde2th> their new controls are fucking insane and i can't begin to describe how amazing they are
[01:35:24] <witnit> we need more people on this bandwagon building core pieces
[01:35:34] <toastyde2th> plus fanuc and yasnac have always been about the setup
[01:35:45] <toastyde2th> and nobody else gets the setup as good as either one of those
[01:36:18] <witnit> i feel the only way to surpass such things its make the entire linuxcnc structure modular
[01:36:27] <toastyde2th> i'm not a programmer, so i can't comment
[03:12:24] <Deejay> moin
[03:49:23] <witnit> mojn!
[05:59:13] <MrSun_> hmm so .. got a HB04 (wired) pendant in the mail today ... now to get it working with linuxcnc .. .any tips? :P
[05:59:25] <MrSun_> theres lots about the wireless but i find nothing about the wired :/
[06:01:07] <MrSun_> or does it work just the same ?
[06:01:18] <MrSun_> so no matter if its wireless or wired the data is the same ?
[06:13:26] <MrSun_> aparently is supposed to work also using the cabled version
[06:13:36] <MrSun_> oh well, configuration and hope i do not crash the machine in the process :P
[06:37:32] <Loetmichel> *cough* *sniff* That was too much chili in the taiwanese shrimp flavour noodles soup ... *lips burning*
[06:38:11] <Loetmichel> ... again... ;-)
[06:47:48] <skunkworks> issues with quality control?
[06:47:59] <skunkworks> pjm, hows things?
[06:48:28] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: issues with chili poweder dosage ;-9
[06:48:40] <skunkworks> ah - self control..
[06:49:10] <Loetmichel> i should have learned by now that all of the provided powder in the small bags is WAY to much ;-9
[06:49:35] <Loetmichel> it isnt the firs soup... aand it wount be tha last ;-9
[06:49:42] <Loetmichel> http://i.imgur.com/ALW0B01.jpg
[06:49:46] <Loetmichel> ups, wromg
[06:49:57] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14805
[06:50:04] <Loetmichel> that is the right link
[07:08:04] <pjm> skunkworks: ah yeah not too bad thanks, still tweaking and fiddling with my mill
[07:08:26] <pjm> although just contemplating effort needed to replace x and y leadscrews / ballnuts with something more precision
[07:08:29] <skunkworks> pjm, never ending... :)
[07:08:41] <pjm> lol yeah , problem as always is lack of time
[07:36:23] <ReadError> dumb question
[07:36:35] <ReadError> is there any gcode command to change the feedover ride level?
[07:37:03] <ReadError> I know I shouldnt be using it, set the feedrate in the code right the 1st time
[07:38:27] <jdh> seems unlikely. If you need to change it in code, change the F
[07:43:54] <boonkerz> hi
[07:44:08] <boonkerz> how can i test on commandline if modbus working?
[10:35:37] <boonkerz> hi
[10:35:48] <boonkerz> Makefile.modinc could not found
[11:40:11] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:40:20] <ktchk> Hi
[11:40:45] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: what version are you using on what os
[11:41:00] <boonkerz> plugin runs i think
[11:41:02] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: how is the weather in HK
[11:41:08] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309199 vga microscope 0.004" gap, Sobel edge detect
[11:41:21] <ktchk> good
[11:41:34] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: so all is clear
[11:41:38] <ktchk> linuxcnc 2.5.4 is good
[11:41:39] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309105 vga microscope 0.004" gap, Sobel edge detect
[11:42:07] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: on servo its a boost
[11:42:12] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309107 also 0.004" (100um) gap
[11:42:38] <ktchk> i_tarzan: you like servos..
[11:42:53] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: you like servos..
[11:43:02] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309060 6mil (150um) PCB trace, vga microscope
[11:43:04] <IchGuckLive> i inly use steppers
[11:43:29] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: now there is a train running dayli from chongching to germany
[11:43:50] <boonkerz> but my spindle do not run :(
[11:43:58] <boonkerz> modbus communication red bubble
[11:43:59] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309193 vga, 130um plated PCB hole
[11:44:05] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: oriental express
[11:44:29] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: what spindel
[11:44:59] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: no i think its BAM
[11:45:08] <boonkerz> Huanyang
[11:45:16] <boonkerz> controller
[11:45:19] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: there is steppers controllers with feedback
[11:45:25] <IchGuckLive> why are you driving this in modebus
[11:45:49] <boonkerz> 485 converter
[11:46:17] <IchGuckLive> huanyang is best to use analog +-10V
[11:46:54] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: yes there are but what do you expect as a feedback
[11:47:29] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: you can run steppers in servo mod
[11:47:48] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: need a special contgrolle
[11:48:01] <ktchk> controller
[11:48:43] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/26574-control-a-huanyang-vfd-inverter-with-linux-cnc
[11:51:08] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: leadshine is making one
[11:52:32] <IchGuckLive> i know but there are cheeper servo boards with stepdir
[11:59:08] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: you shoudt get a shop runing by desambled cheep 3020 6040 on request postal
[11:59:27] <IchGuckLive> tabaao stuff ;-)
[12:01:32] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: I have a workshop if you like 6040 I can ship you one
[12:02:03] <IchGuckLive> jdh is looking for one i got so many here
[12:03:21] <IchGuckLive> jdh: ?
[12:03:24] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: you remember I work with Sie.. before
[12:03:42] <IchGuckLive> yes i doo
[12:04:12] <IchGuckLive> but now as a direct service i going to switch to chonching not HK on delivering parts
[12:05:57] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: oh by the eway L297/298 controllers for 3USD are not on sail here do you got connections
[12:06:09] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: 6040 is made in gongdong whunan see www.yoocnc.com
[12:06:46] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: 6560 controller is 8us
[12:08:12] <Einar> I just bought some stepper drives, Ebay item 261374073967. Also want a 2.2KW motor. Anyone here know if this guy sell good stuff? Maybe I should say reasonable. At those prices I don't expect KaVo. ;-)
[12:09:05] <Einar> Do they all come from the same factory?
[12:13:03] <ktchk> Einar: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.81.owo7Ey&id=15852630726 How is this
[12:14:36] <CaptHindsight> Einar: you never know unless you know the vendor well, there are lots of pretty exact copies if the brand has recognition
[12:14:36] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: http://s.taobao.com/search?q=L298&commend=all&ssid=s5-e&search_type=mall&sourceId=tb.index&spm=a215z.7106357.5803581.d4908513
[12:15:17] <Einar> ktchk: Looks good. One thing I notice is that it bears a brand name. If it's a good brand I don't know, but it's a good sign anyway. How much is 950 in $ ?
[12:16:00] <ktchk> Einar: 950 is yuen
[12:16:20] <IchGuckLive> div 6
[12:16:25] <CaptHindsight> rmb to $ is ~ 6.2:1
[12:17:46] <ktchk> Einar: you ebay contact is quoting in english pound
[12:17:52] <Einar> So 950 is $150 appx. Is that spindle available on Ebay too? I don't know Taoabao.
[12:19:00] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: i need 4 pc of the l298 what is your price including shipment
[12:19:09] <ktchk> Einar: taobao is chinese market they ship to all china cheaper and payment will be easier from chinese account
[12:19:19] <Einar> ktchk: Yes. Does not really matter much, I'll pay in NOK. ;-)
[12:19:30] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: have tocheck 298 price
[12:19:34] <CaptHindsight> that router has nuts on the ballscews but I wonder if they have a captured bearing on the motor end or if they just use the stepper motor for support
[12:19:54] <IchGuckLive> 8.5yuan
[12:20:49] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: from which contact?
[12:20:58] <ktchk> Einar: NOK???
[12:21:14] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: there are many on that price
[12:21:56] <IchGuckLive> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18398691674&ali_refid=a3_420434_1006:1103338960:6:L298:c410dae8c2c4a5249f601cfc34090f11&ali_trackid=1_c410dae8c2c4a5249f601cfc34090f11&spm=a230r.1.17.6.wfLLfl
[12:23:41] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: that is dc motor drive for arduino
[12:23:51] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:25:41] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: go chat
[12:27:57] <witnit> is anyone familiar with servo valves? any special information I should know about them?
[12:28:21] <ktchk> Einar: NOK??
[12:30:33] <Einar> ktchk: Yes, NOK is the currency in Norway. So it does not matter if price is GBP, USD or whatever. I'll have to transfer NOK.
[12:30:45] <Einar> And Paypal will convert it.
[12:31:23] <Einar> witnit: Propostional valves? They requre very special drivers.
[12:31:30] <ktchk> Einar: with a charge and do not pay taobao only ebay with a charge also
[12:31:54] <witnit> thanks Einar, I thought maybe so
[12:32:05] <witnit> how about the feedback?
[12:32:50] <Einar> They output the value with a frequency "on top of it". It's called dithering and is necessary to overcome stiction.
[12:33:33] <Einar> Feedback can be one of many differerent. Just like with a motor.
[12:34:50] <Einar> The dithering will effectively "shake" the valve around your setting.
[12:35:16] <Einar> An on/off valve does not need this.
[12:37:31] <Einar> witnit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq35FD01bZ0
[12:41:14] <witnit> Einar www.ebay.com/itm/281326570288
[12:41:38] <witnit> I thought I should make the investment and learn the hardware later
[12:42:35] <zeeshan> fancy valves
[12:42:36] <zeeshan> :P
[12:43:49] <Einar> It would not surprise me if the dithering can be software generated in LinuxCNC or in one of the Mesa cards.
[12:43:49] <witnit> I have a machine which uses hydraulics on the slide, I thought maybe I could just control them with these and a linear scale instead of using a ballscrew
[12:43:58] <witnit> exactly my thoughts
[12:44:53] <Einar> Hydraulics can be very fine in its responses. I can pick nails out of wood with mys mall excavator.
[12:46:22] <Einar> But the parts are expensive. Everything from valves through cylinders to fittings!
[12:48:22] <Einar> Also sensitive to dirt. Those valves may cost a fortune to overhaul if there's a tiny speck of dirt in it.
[12:52:02] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: all clear
[13:02:24] <Loetmichel> Einar: tell me about it
[13:03:15] <IchGuckLive> hi Loetmichel still no flashlight delivered
[13:03:28] <Loetmichel> my ex boss had a semi truck with 15 metric tons crane on it, the crane radio controlled. i had to change about 50 proportional valves
[13:03:40] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: so tell ebay
[13:04:09] <IchGuckLive> 1 more week i will wait
[13:04:15] <Loetmichel> not coorect, the valves were good, the electric heads burned all the time
[13:04:21] <Loetmichel> (literally!)
[13:04:49] <Loetmichel> italian quality... 'nuff said ;-)
[13:06:01] <IchGuckLive> hi FrankZappa
[13:06:06] <FrankZappa> hi
[13:06:35] <IchGuckLive> German ?
[13:07:07] <FrankZappa> no, englische
[13:07:24] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[13:08:08] <FrankZappa> Ich kann kein Deutsch
[13:08:18] <IchGuckLive> O.o
[13:08:47] <FrankZappa> Ich kann die Sprache nicht Deutsch sprechen?
[13:09:04] <IchGuckLive> if you got a question go ahead
[13:09:38] <FrankZappa> any suggestions for custom-fabricating edging out of simple materials-processes for expanded metal grating?
[13:10:07] <FrankZappa> My friend has access to a brake but he reports we can't fold the work back on itself very tightly
[13:10:35] <FrankZappa> something like this, but it doesn't have to be rolled edge necessarily... just cap the end of the sheet. http://www.nilesexpandedmetals.com/nem/u-edging.asp
[13:11:26] <FrankZappa> we could do 90 degree bend on the brake, then kickshear possibly
[13:11:39] <IchGuckLive> this is mostly done in endless rollforming
[13:12:38] <FrankZappa> ic
[13:12:52] <FrankZappa> we don't have any kind of access to that gear
[13:13:17] <_methods> saw tubing in half
[13:13:24] <FrankZappa> we are hobbyists bootstrapping hopefully to a "thing" we make and duplicate
[13:13:42] <FrankZappa> methods I considered that
[13:13:50] <FrankZappa> that might be the right way to go.
[13:13:56] <_methods> thin wall tubing
[13:14:11] <voxadam> I'd bend it as far as your brake can manage then use a mallet
[13:14:22] <witnit> _methods 3700 parts and climbing
[13:14:29] <_methods> jesus
[13:14:30] <_methods> nice
[13:14:34] <FrankZappa> if the exmet is thin, can you recommend what kind of tubing to use? I'm not used to seeing common 1/4" dia thin wall around
[13:15:05] <FrankZappa> voxadam that was the other thing we were thinking. He says we can do 45 degree acute for short runs
[13:15:20] <FrankZappa> I'm in the states
[13:15:21] <_methods> how long?
[13:15:26] <FrankZappa> sorry I should have said that sooner
[13:15:36] <voxadam> FrankZappa: A tool like this will bend 180 by hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwqkdY9PFEM
[13:15:57] <FrankZappa> _methods we will have hundreds of feet
[13:16:05] <_methods> ah
[13:16:27] <_methods> why not just get channel?
[13:16:40] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: there are Wood table bends available in different sizes on that form
[13:16:50] <witnit> clever bends
[13:17:12] <voxadam> If you're goign to do hundreds of feet and don't want to buy the tooling to do it why not just have a local sheet metal shop do it?
[13:17:14] <IchGuckLive> used in school tables office ....
[13:17:33] <voxadam> I HVAC contractor might be able to help you.
[13:17:47] <FrankZappa> voxadam I'm sold on the versa-bender
[13:18:01] <FrankZappa> that's all we'd need in terms of thickness
[13:18:02] <witnit> yeah that thing is sick
[13:18:23] <Einar> What kind of brake do you have? One way to do it is to bend 90. Then squeeze using the clamping bar. Put a strip of metal in between to avoid squeezing completely flat.
[13:19:04] <voxadam> I'd never heard of the Versa until you brought this up but they look cool as hell. Now I just need a project that requires sheet metal so I can justify buying one.
[13:19:11] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: do you need endless or 60" max
[13:19:16] <FrankZappa> Einar - thanks, great suggestion. I'm the designer, tho, and am amateur at machine processes
[13:19:31] <jdh> I thoguht you were a dead 'musician'
[13:19:32] <witnit> yeah but you know your way around a guitar
[13:19:32] <FrankZappa> IchGuckLive we can handle seams
[13:19:42] <voxadam> Uh... wow... The Versa may be cool but it's not cheap. http://www.stortz.com/OnlineStore/ProductDetail/ProductID/13414/versa_hammer.aspx
[13:19:45] <FrankZappa> so yeah 60" is ok
[13:20:01] <witnit> I thought you were a"dead" musician [FIXXED]
[13:20:03] <FrankZappa> hehe
[13:20:21] <IchGuckLive> then go at a KNUTH form pressing type production that is all over the USA
[13:20:49] <IchGuckLive> most metal shops got them in stock
[13:21:27] <IchGuckLive> lots of can handle 75"
[13:21:44] <voxadam> Knuth? As in Donald Knuth the crazy smart computer scientist?
[13:22:03] <FrankZappa> awesome, will do. Thanks everyone. If my partner doesn't accept these solutions I'll tell him to go catalog shopping.
[13:22:19] <voxadam> FrankZappa: Or you could just get a new partner.
[13:22:25] <FrankZappa> nah he's great.
[13:22:41] <_methods> you can get an old hand brake for cheap usually
[13:22:42] <voxadam> Then I recommend getting him drunk.
[13:22:44] <_methods> check craigslist
[13:22:51] <_methods> if you're bending thin stuff like that
[13:23:21] <_methods> youc an overbend and flatten on hand/finger brakes
[13:24:03] <voxadam> This guy should be able to solve all your sheet metal issues: http://bit.ly/1bLsd3a
[13:24:05] <FrankZappa> I like this channel a whole lot.
[13:24:22] <voxadam> FrankZappa: I told you #LinuxCNC was good people.
[13:24:24] <IchGuckLive> where in the USA are you State
[13:24:28] <FrankZappa> NC
[13:24:33] <voxadam> The mailing list is great too.
[13:24:36] <_methods> heh cool SC here
[13:24:38] <_methods> charleston
[13:24:40] <FrankZappa> thanks voxadam
[13:24:44] <FrankZappa> onice
[13:24:53] <jdh> I need to go to charleston
[13:24:53] <FrankZappa> yeah my partner goes to SC often
[13:24:59] <FrankZappa> to buy gear
[13:25:03] <_methods> nice and hot today
[13:25:08] <_methods> 92 thank god
[13:25:12] <jdh> I go to sell shark teeth
[13:25:15] <voxadam> FrankZappa: Have you checked to see if any of your local hackerspaces have the equipment that you need
[13:25:21] <_methods> yeah we got lots of shark teeth
[13:25:33] <FrankZappa> voxadam there are none / we are that
[13:25:37] <_methods> i got a couple big ones from behind my house
[13:25:42] <voxadam> Ah.
[13:26:01] <jdh> cool
[13:26:07] <_methods> where at in NC?
[13:26:08] <jdh> I have to go 40 miles offshore for mine.
[13:26:12] <FrankZappa> mtns
[13:26:15] <_methods> ah cool
[13:26:27] <zeeshan> FrankZappa:
[13:26:32] <jdh> Frank: I'm in Wilmington
[13:26:32] <_methods> yeah probably nearest makerspace for you would be winston or charlotte
[13:26:34] <zeeshan> if youre specifically trying to make those U shapes
[13:26:43] <zeeshan> we made those using dies at my old company
[13:26:49] <_methods> ah damn cool lots of people near
[13:26:50] <zeeshan> on a regular press
[13:26:54] <FrankZappa> cool, I like Wilmington, great vibe. Haven't been there in years.
[13:27:06] <_methods> yeah i love that bar that has the swing in it
[13:27:16] <_methods> place was awesome
[13:27:32] <FrankZappa> _methods we have a mill, a lathe, a small shop, and a bunch of other stuff available
[13:27:39] <_methods> people swingin over the bar lol
[13:27:47] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: bennet hall charlot NC
[13:27:56] <FrankZappa> we're trying to make a big art peiece that's like an adult playground
[13:28:08] <FrankZappa> minus the sexual connotation
[13:28:14] <_methods> hehe
[13:28:22] <Einar> You can also make them in a beadroller/jenny. But it takes some training to get it straight.
[13:28:44] <FrankZappa> IchGuckLive danke :)
[13:29:00] <_methods> yeah if you're just looking to cover the exposed edge of the expanded metal there are plenty of ways to do it
[13:29:19] <_methods> you could even just weld rod on the side
[13:29:29] <_methods> 1/4 rod all the way down
[13:29:32] <IchGuckLive> NP there are 6 press break forming services in NC
[13:30:00] <MrSunshine> a .comp file in linuxcnc .. is that something that is built in while building linuxcnc ?
[13:30:16] <FrankZappa> _methods how would that "cover" and edge, esp if it was fuzzy/deformed a bit?
[13:30:29] <Einar> Like the crazy swede: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSlAxS6mm4&list=PL2DD502E1AB7784E0&index=2
[13:30:36] <_methods> well it would be the edge at taht point
[13:30:41] <FrankZappa> I wanted something that made sure to mechanically trim over the fringe, no matter what the fringe imension was.
[13:30:41] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: its a file that can make your own component work
[13:30:50] <zeeshan> if you wanna go cheap
[13:30:54] <zeeshan> you can use plastic moulding
[13:30:57] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: look at THCUD
[13:31:14] <FrankZappa> *dimension. Yeah I'm visualizing it now, _methods. we'd want cheap sheet rather than that, I think.
[13:31:22] <zeeshan> http://www.panduit.com/heiler/ApplicationImages/wdmGEEF-lb.jpg
[13:31:24] <zeeshan> that kind of stuff
[13:31:27] <_methods> yeah
[13:31:27] <zeeshan> comes in many many different shapes
[13:31:31] <zeeshan> and rubber form too
[13:31:36] <zeeshan> and its dirt cheap
[13:31:39] <MrSunshine> trying to get the xhc-sim examples working on my real linuxcnc installation .. (older linuxcnc) and it complains about xhc-hb04-utils or something like that, and thats a ".comp" file in the linuxcnc tree
[13:31:52] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI0NFgxNjAw/z/mmoAAMXQO21Rwzio/$(KGrHqNHJFQFGuIyNOt4BRwzio1nSw~~60_35.JPG
[13:31:54] <zeeshan> another style
[13:31:54] <zeeshan> :D
[13:32:16] <FrankZappa> great suggestion, zeeshan, but this will be used also on foot-traffic surfaces, so would need to be mild steel methinks
[13:32:37] <FrankZappa> I'm making a bunch of metal stairs n catwalks
[13:32:52] <zeeshan> ah
[13:32:59] <MrSunshine> so can i add a .comp file to my existing installation ? IchGuckLive ?
[13:33:18] <_methods> http://www.directmetals.com/dm/expanded_metal_uedging.asp
[13:33:25] <_methods> and you don't want to buy that?
[13:33:41] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: we make Thikns like channel s for floors http://www.ebay.de/itm/like/190638401907?lpid=106&_configDebug=ViewItemDictionary.ENABLE_PAYMENTS_IN_HLP:true&hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1
[13:34:07] <FrankZappa> _methods I'll quote it, for sure. But I bet my local slitter + our "interns" can beat the price
[13:34:19] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: yes you need to compile it in the DEV mode
[13:34:33] <MrSunshine> huh ? -... DEV mode? =)
[13:34:50] <Deejay__> re-namd
[13:35:07] <MrSunshine> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/comp.1.html
[13:36:12] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get install linuxcnc-dev
[13:36:24] <IchGuckLive> sudo comp --install your.comp
[13:36:28] <MrSunshine> ahh =)
[13:36:36] <MrSunshine> oki so no need to recompile whole linuxcnc then =)
[13:36:37] <MrSunshine> goodie
[13:36:44] <IchGuckLive> no
[13:36:51] <MrSunshine> gonna continue to check on it tomorrow, waiting for a girl to call ;)
[13:37:05] <MrSunshine> thanks alot tho =)
[13:37:08] <IchGuckLive> ;-) look on the THCUD example
[13:37:58] <MrSunshine> got the comp file, just didnt know how to get it installed =)
[13:38:05] <MrSunshine> (not me making the program .. =)
[13:39:42] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: in hal you load it up by loadrt yourcompname
[13:40:06] <IchGuckLive> then you will see the pins and things it is making in halmonitor
[13:40:34] <IchGuckLive> it is best workaround to giv yourr comp a servo tread
[13:40:49] <IchGuckLive> addf yourcompname servo-thread
[13:41:03] <IchGuckLive> so im off for today BYE
[13:41:24] <FrankZappa> IchGuckLive schön
[13:41:44] <FrankZappa> oop just missedim
[14:58:29] <cradek> how do I tell whether my screws are #3-56 or M2.5-0.45
[14:58:47] <cradek> or does it matter
[14:59:10] <JT-Shop> are they that close in size and pitch?
[14:59:51] <cradek> their thread mates with #2-56 screws and the OD is right at 0.100"
[15:00:07] <cradek> but MH says 0.100 is a tiny bit big for #3-56
[15:00:39] <JT-Shop> I have some of both let me look at them
[15:01:23] <cradek> wow, I could find neither
[15:01:29] <cradek> your shop is superior to mine
[15:01:40] <CaptHindsight> m2.5 is right on 0.1"
[15:01:50] <cradek> yeah so is #3
[15:02:04] <cradek> I bet it doesn't matter (I am surprised they are so similar)
[15:02:16] <Connor> which is MORE common? :)
[15:02:19] <CaptHindsight> so the real question is, does it matter? How far will they engage each other?
[15:02:34] <Connor> #3 isn't very common..
[15:02:41] <Connor> #2-56 is...
[15:02:53] <cradek> 3-48 is common, 3-56 not so much
[15:03:53] <JT-Shop> a 3-56 will not screw into a 2.5-0.45 nut but a 2.5 screw will fit into a 3-56 nut
[15:04:14] <cradek> thanks! I can't believe you have both
[15:04:14] <CaptHindsight> 25.4 / 56 = 0.453"
[15:04:17] <cradek> I will get the metric then
[15:04:25] <CaptHindsight> sorry 0.453mm
[15:04:38] <cradek> ... somewhere
[15:04:43] <JT-Shop> I used to fly model helicopters and collect every thing I see
[15:05:06] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: i build only multicoters
[15:05:09] <Loetmichel> +p
[15:06:01] <ReadError> I build many multirotors ;)
[15:06:05] <JT-Shop> well now I'm not sure about the #3 pitch
[15:06:14] <CaptHindsight> the pitch varies by less than 1% between the 2.5-0.45 and the 3-56
[15:06:42] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-4SrZqdB/0/X2/CA_05011412031879-X2.jpg check that out Loetmichel
[15:06:57] <Loetmichel> ReadError: like this? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12997
[15:07:13] <Loetmichel> hrhr, are tehy multiplying?
[15:07:16] <Loetmichel> they
[15:07:19] <ReadError> I would break that faster than I could build it ;)
[15:07:38] <Loetmichel> ReadError: me too ;-)
[15:07:48] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-Txwgdxz/0/X2/CA_04131411550738-X2.jpg
[15:07:50] <witnit> I would have to put a cage around one
[15:07:51] <ReadError> they made that
[15:08:37] <Loetmichel> i tend to make at least double to triple the amount of outriggers i need
[15:08:55] <JT-Shop> cradek, I have to assume I have a 3-48 screws and can't check as the thread gauge only goes to 42
[15:08:59] <Loetmichel> because afte a day in the field i still will have none left ;)
[15:09:53] <cradek> JT-Shop: see if they match some #2-56
[15:10:13] <Loetmichel> ReadError: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12982&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:10:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11744 <- takes its time on the small machine ;-)
[15:10:54] <CaptHindsight> #3 0.0990 0.0983 0.0938 Basic / Max / Min
[15:10:59] <Loetmichel> (have to turn each one 8 times)
[15:11:03] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-3wRsBZ7/0/X2/CA_03271411514970-X2.jpg
[15:11:07] <ReadError> my last big project
[15:11:13] <ReadError> did the blocks and everything from scratch
[15:11:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineersedge.com/screw_threads_chart.htm
[15:11:16] <ReadError> the china ones where bad
[15:11:32] <Loetmichel> i started with carbon
[15:11:44] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-pQk96Kc/0/X2/CA_02151410542123-X2.jpg
[15:11:50] <ReadError> took foooreeever to do all of them
[15:11:51] <Loetmichel> i did go back to aluminium square tube because its MUCH cheaper to replace
[15:12:54] <Loetmichel> ReadError: my first quad: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4790
[15:12:58] <Loetmichel> full carbon ;)
[15:13:19] <Loetmichel> not a single piece of aluminium beside the motors and the screws
[15:14:16] <ReadError> much more complex
[15:14:21] <ReadError> I make my stuff pretty simple
[15:14:32] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4833 <- i even used 3mm pvc foam plates once.
[15:14:41] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-THHBwdr/0/X2/CA_10021314115124-X2.jpg
[15:14:43] <Loetmichel> tends to be a little heavy
[15:14:45] <CaptHindsight> M2.5 × 0.45 0.0976 0.0937 0.086 inch so the metric has a smaller dia
[15:14:46] <ReadError> this one, impossible to break almost
[15:15:18] <cradek> heh, enco doesn't have either one (in brass or button head)
[15:15:30] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5041&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- 2mm model plywood is nice
[15:15:40] <cradek> it's for a clock so they have to be decorative (just to make it harder)
[15:15:40] <Loetmichel> light and sufficient rigid
[15:15:51] <cradek> heh maybe I should just drill 'em out to #4-40
[15:15:52] <Loetmichel> but doesent survive a crahs
[15:21:27] <CaptHindsight> cradek: 20% more torque on the #4-40! http://www.mgtd.ca/Screw%20Torque.htm
[15:22:01] <CaptHindsight> even more if comparing stainless
[15:22:46] <cradek> heh if that is important in this clock, something has gone very wrong
[15:22:52] <CaptHindsight> heh
[15:23:09] <Loetmichel> ReadError: i tend to use to much lights, though
[15:23:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5177
[15:24:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/MC/nachtflugtest_.avi
[15:25:03] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/MC/loebabofertig.avi
[15:25:10] <Loetmichel> ,,, if you know what i mean ;-)
[15:30:18] <FrankZappa> ja er fertig
[15:38:29] <ReadError> CaptHindsight, yea I love LEDs
[16:11:43] <Deejay> gn8
[16:23:19] <JT-Shop> cradek, checked my #3's to 2-56 and they are 3-48 for sure
[16:45:16] <Tom_itx> that's standard coarse thread
[16:49:46] <JT-Shop> ok where is my gas bowl and shut off for the tractor?
[16:50:15] <Tom_itx> in the parts cleaner
[17:13:22] <JT-Shop> I don't have a parts cleaner...
[17:13:35] <JT-Shop> it should be within arms reach of the plasma table
[17:15:18] <JT-Shop> I'm sure I put it somewhere "safe"
[17:17:09] <syyl> look in the fridge
[17:17:41] <syyl> not that i have ever put parts of a machine in the fridge...
[17:20:13] <JT-Shop> never can tell...
[17:28:36] <FrankZappa> trah sittehs
[17:28:51] <FrankZappa> breest-uhl
[17:36:19] <JT-Shop> found it!
[21:03:49] <XXCoder> wow quiey
[21:11:41] <zmi> hello, I have a problem when I try to install linuxcnc, I have imagen iso, the md5 is the same, verificaty with md5 in my debian and the terminal, when I go to reboot I can read, failed reboot, i dont know how to do it, who can help me?
[21:14:14] <CaptHindsight> zmi: does the installer complete?
[21:15:23] <zmi> I have donwload imagen iso and burn on dvd
[21:16:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc3-i386.iso this one?
[21:16:43] <zmi> yes the same
[21:17:00] <CaptHindsight> can you run the dvd?
[21:17:13] <CaptHindsight> can you boot from the dvd?
[21:17:27] <witnit> Can someone set me up with an example halfile using the 7i33?
[21:17:48] <zmi> four time
[21:18:08] <zmi> dvd not working
[21:18:10] <CaptHindsight> four times, what exactly?
[21:18:36] <CaptHindsight> so it doesn't boot from the dvd?
[21:18:45] <zmi> dvd record 4 times and did not work
[21:19:05] <CaptHindsight> what didn't work? what's the error?
[21:19:20] <zmi> when i try to do that says Failed
[21:19:30] <witnit> do what?
[21:19:38] <witnit> boot?
[21:19:56] <zmi> when I reboot the disk is not working
[21:20:00] <witnit> Certainly you have tried to boot this on more than one computer?
[21:20:24] <witnit> And of course your bios setting are adjusted to boot to cdrom first?
[21:20:28] <zmi> yes the dvd no working
[21:20:40] <zmi> yes
[21:20:47] <CaptHindsight> zmi: does the dvd work on a different computer?
[21:21:05] <CaptHindsight> I just installed it twice today on 2 different computers
[21:21:08] <witnit> does it try to boot or does it just skip to the hard drive immediatly
[21:21:17] <zmi> CaptHindsight yes but not working
[21:21:56] <CaptHindsight> ^^ please answer the last question
[21:22:33] <zmi> in other computer not working
[21:23:03] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a bad burner
[21:23:19] <witnit> what do you mean "not working" does it show any signs of the boot menu for the dvd? or does it boot directly to hdd
[21:23:22] <zmi> but burn in slow spped
[21:23:26] <zmi> speed
[21:24:03] <zmi> I was in BIOS put dvd
[21:24:24] <witnit> ok....
[21:24:45] <witnit> but when the computer starts up does the cd drive activate and give a menu or does it boot directly to the hdd?
[21:24:57] <zmi> capthindsight ye sorry i have try several time today and yesterday
[21:25:16] <CaptHindsight> heh, why won't you answer his question?
[21:25:36] <zmi> sorry i cant speak much english
[21:25:49] <zmi> i can spanish well
[21:26:13] <zmi> its a little difficult
[21:26:16] <witnit> ok
[21:26:37] <CaptHindsight> cuando se inicia el equipo no activar la unidad de cd y darle un menú o se arranca directamente en el HDD?
[21:27:14] <zmi> no activa, yo cambio la configuracion en BIOS
[21:27:45] <CaptHindsight> "not active, change the settings in BIOS"
[21:28:18] <witnit> right hes saying he changed the setting but it still skips the drive
[21:28:30] <witnit> do other boot cds work?
[21:28:40] <zmi> yo cambie en BIOS, pero dice, FAILED
[21:29:00] <zmi> yes with other cd working well
[21:29:20] <witnit> still sounds like a bad burn to me
[21:29:34] <XXCoder> or maybe just forgot to finalize cd
[21:29:34] <zmi> i have burn 4 times
[21:29:51] <witnit> files appear on disk?
[21:29:55] <CaptHindsight> if the image passes the checksum then it's a bad burner
[21:29:56] <zmi> my computer has Linux Mint Debian
[21:30:22] <witnit> k3b burning
[21:30:29] <CaptHindsight> have you tried burning with verify on?
[21:30:58] <zmi> i use brasero for burn
[21:31:14] <witnit> shouldnt relaly matter
[21:31:27] <witnit> really*
[21:31:44] <CaptHindsight> does it verify after copying/burning?
[21:31:47] <zmi> i dont know what to do i have a week in this
[21:31:54] <witnit> Boot to USB?
[21:32:04] <zmi> just dvd and cd
[21:32:47] <witnit> I never have problem
[21:32:49] <zmi> yes i have verify after burn all files is there
[21:32:49] <witnit> I dont know.
[21:33:06] <witnit> I think he is doing things correct
[21:33:08] <zmi> what do you recommend me
[21:33:27] <witnit> you can install RT operating system then install linuxcnc from scratch
[21:33:49] <CaptHindsight> nah install 12.04 then the kernel then the packages
[21:33:56] <zmi> sorry i dont know about that
[21:34:03] <CaptHindsight> did that 6-7 times in the past 2 days
[21:34:29] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[21:34:32] <witnit> you could ssh and have him goin in 12 minuts :P
[21:35:24] <CaptHindsight> installed 10.04, upgraded to 12.04, installed 12.04 and 14.03 and Linux debian cinnamin
[21:35:35] <CaptHindsight> 14.04
[21:36:02] <zmi> ok let me a minute please
[21:36:05] <witnit> you like cinni?
[21:36:18] <CaptHindsight> just played for a few minutes
[21:36:47] <CaptHindsight> anythuing is better that unity or stock gnome 3
[21:36:49] <witnit> Im looking forward to learning how to use the akonadi mysql business
[21:36:52] <zmi> really Im new with linux just two mouth
[21:37:19] <witnit> zmi :) be patient
[21:37:27] <CaptHindsight> playing with camunits today
[21:37:38] <CaptHindsight> not sure if it's worth it
[21:37:55] <CaptHindsight> hasn't been updated since 2010-11
[21:38:17] <Noxz> any suggestions for a router that can mill a Nickel Alloy? I am sure I can get away with aluminum for now , but curious
[21:38:36] <CaptHindsight> just a framework for OpenGL, GLib, libjpeg, opencv etc
[21:39:06] <CaptHindsight> https://code.google.com/p/camunits/
[21:39:22] <zmi> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ----------------- very difficult to me to do that, is there other way?
[21:39:47] <XXCoder> if it works why push os to modern version?
[21:42:23] <witnit> dvd-r or cd-r?
[21:42:46] <zmi> dvd -r and cd -r
[21:42:49] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: ?
[21:43:11] <XXCoder> I just was wondering why keep os updated if its just to run some cnc macine
[21:43:16] <CaptHindsight> why the 12.04 or 14.04?
[21:43:31] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:44:05] <CaptHindsight> ahh I'm developing new apps that work with Linuxcnc and also new hardware
[21:44:17] <CaptHindsight> new hardware needs newer kernels
[21:44:28] <XXCoder> hmm makes sense.
[21:44:39] <CaptHindsight> newer kernels don't always work on older distros
[21:44:48] <CaptHindsight> also for the long term support
[21:45:14] <zmi> mint is old version for linuxcnc?
[21:45:17] <XXCoder> I was wondering if it was possible to seperate linuxcnc from ubuntu
[21:45:28] <witnit> zmi If you have already installed Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx", you can install LinuxCNC without reinstalling your whole system. Simply download and run the installation script: http://linuxcnc.org/install-scripts/lucid/linuxcnc-install.sh
[21:45:30] <XXCoder> make it into package
[21:45:56] <CaptHindsight> the old 10.04 install has the old 2,6 kernel that won't work with the new GPU drivers in the E350M1
[21:46:10] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: it already is
[21:46:18] <XXCoder> oh
[21:47:45] <CaptHindsight> you can just install the repos and then install the packages
[21:47:46] <zmi> I dont have ubuntu in my computer
[21:48:14] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: for example http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[21:48:41] <XXCoder> interesting. ok
[21:49:03] <CaptHindsight> we also use it with gentoo
[21:49:10] <XXCoder> oh talking about cnc - I saw huge cargo box of scrap wood at work, plan to ask if I could grab some :D
[21:49:19] <zmi> capthindsight i must install ubuntu firts? is better?
[21:49:20] <XXCoder> lots of wood to run tests and build cnc with
[21:52:08] <CaptHindsight> zmi: try to download and burn the Ubuntu dvd, then boot from that, see if you get that far
[21:52:37] <CaptHindsight> the manual install is pretty easy
[21:52:58] <zmi> ok
[21:53:00] <CaptHindsight> the updates take the longest, depending on your connection speed
[21:54:12] <CaptHindsight> I'm actually installing it right now in virtualbox
[21:54:28] <XXCoder> using virtual cnc with it? ;)
[21:55:05] <CaptHindsight> just for reference and testing machine vision before I go to a live machine
[21:55:31] <CaptHindsight> latency jitter in virtualbox is like 3459863489950^77
[21:56:21] <humble_sea_bass> so you're saying it is a "buy"
[21:59:01] <zmi> must I install virtualbox?
[21:59:17] <CaptHindsight> zmi: no, just follow the guide
[21:59:32] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[22:00:00] <CaptHindsight> at step #9 choose 3. deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org precise v2.5_branch-rt
[22:01:22] <zmi> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[22:01:41] <CaptHindsight> zmi: we are just wondering if you'll make it to Step #1
[22:02:04] <CaptHindsight> you seem to have some burning and or booting issues from dvd
[22:03:32] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/LvHYf
[22:03:35] <zeeshan> wooho motor mount almost done
[22:04:36] <jdh> about damned time.
[22:04:46] <zeeshan> haha
[22:04:58] <zeeshan> i love making stuff out of steel
[22:05:03] <zeeshan> its heavy and bulky!
[22:05:09] <jdh> and messy
[22:05:12] <zeeshan> =P
[22:05:15] <jdh> and painful
[22:05:23] <zmi> thanks all you for help i try to do tomorrow very slow this connection speed and very tired for that
[22:05:39] <zeeshan> i wish i had my lathe functional
[22:05:41] <zeeshan> i need to make spacers
[22:05:44] <zeeshan> =/
[22:05:56] <jdh> that's why you need a 7x under the counter
[22:05:58] <CaptHindsight> is that a tree growing up right through the workbench behind the vise?
[22:06:10] <zeeshan> haha CaptHindsight
[22:06:17] <zeeshan> no thats my downpipe for the car
[22:06:17] <zeeshan> =D
[22:06:24] <CaptHindsight> jumanji
[22:06:29] <zeeshan> best movie
[22:08:04] <zeeshan> on nema 34 motors
[22:08:11] <zeeshan> its a m5x.8 bolt youre supposed to be using right?
[22:08:24] <zeeshan> i determined that by measuring the holes.. they were 5.7~mm
[22:10:12] <CaptHindsight> #12 machine screw
[22:10:41] <zeeshan> bah
[22:11:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Machine-Screws/Machine-Screw-Diameter.aspx?nv=res
[22:11:39] <jdh> change the name to a nema86.36 then
[22:11:47] <CaptHindsight> 5.7mm = 0.224 in
[22:11:55] <CaptHindsight> heh
[22:12:02] <zeeshan> hm
[22:12:07] <zeeshan> i drilled 5/32 hole
[22:12:21] <zeeshan> i can still either do 10-32 or 12
[22:12:21] <CaptHindsight> #8
[22:12:29] <zeeshan> by drilling a bit biger
[22:12:53] <CaptHindsight> if you weld them suckers on they never come lose
[22:12:57] <jdh> heh
[22:12:59] <CaptHindsight> loose
[22:13:10] <zeeshan> loctite!
[22:13:22] <zeeshan> this works
[22:13:24] <jdh> I use #10 for through bolts on mine. Or tap the hole for 1/4-20 if bolting to it.
[22:13:26] <zeeshan> cause i dont havbe a m5x.8mm tap
[22:13:34] <zeeshan> broke it a while back
[22:13:37] <zeeshan> only got m5x.9
[22:13:43] <zeeshan> which will be a p[ain in the ass to find bolts for
[22:13:51] <zeeshan> #10 #12 i got at home
[22:13:56] <CaptHindsight> just avoid using bent over nails with wood blocks
[22:14:02] <zeeshan> haha
[22:14:03] <zeeshan> wtf!
[22:14:05] <zeeshan> who does that
[22:14:15] <CaptHindsight> did you see that pipe cnc video?
[22:14:33] <CaptHindsight> it was artwork
[22:14:58] <zeeshan> the cnc thats made out of plastic and cast iron pipe?
[22:14:59] <zeeshan> haha
[22:15:03] <zeeshan> yea i've seen it
[22:15:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSG2al1Sus
[22:15:18] <CaptHindsight> fills an entire room
[22:16:14] <CaptHindsight> he should make displays for malls
[22:16:20] <XXCoder> holy shit
[22:16:27] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: and make it pay to make
[22:16:31] <zeeshan> oh that
[22:16:33] <zeeshan> ive never seen that
[22:16:33] <zeeshan> hah
[22:16:54] <CaptHindsight> I still can't believe it
[22:17:02] <XXCoder> pumbler nightmare cnc
[22:17:03] <zeeshan> frankenstein
[22:17:06] <XXCoder> I'll call it that
[22:17:37] <zeeshan> i dont think thats a cnc
[22:17:40] <zeeshan> thats his sex toy
[22:17:45] <XXCoder> cnc sewx toy then
[22:17:51] <XXCoder> its still computer number control
[22:19:14] <XXCoder> oh finally it shows stock being cut
[22:19:24] <XXCoder> I think
[22:20:08] <XXCoder> I reached my freehand camera video limit
[22:20:10] <CaptHindsight> if it used 2" XXS vs the 1/2" galvanized for the linear bearings it would flop around as much, but it's really somethin isn't it!
[22:20:15] <XXCoder> passed it a bit actuall
[22:21:37] <XXCoder> my fucked up brain.
[22:21:55] <CaptHindsight> 2" XXS supported on 6' I beams or tube
[22:22:43] <CaptHindsight> 8' span with pipe, I love it
[22:23:10] <XXCoder> I cant hear what was spoken but what was that pumpbler nightmare cnc work space is?
[22:23:27] <XXCoder> would be fucking funny if it was only 1'x1'x1" or something
[22:25:01] <CaptHindsight> 4 ft x 8 ft
[22:25:08] <XXCoder> nice
[22:25:14] <XXCoder> large enough to use whole sheet
[22:25:25] <CaptHindsight> of whipped cream
[22:25:37] <CaptHindsight> too flexy for cheese
[22:25:51] <CaptHindsight> well maybe cheese spread
[22:25:53] <XXCoder> onder what its accuracy is
[22:25:57] <XXCoder> or precision
[22:26:23] <CaptHindsight> +/- few inches at best
[22:27:01] <XXCoder> that bad hmm I was thinking whole cm
[22:27:27] <CaptHindsight> it flexes at it moves with no cutting
[22:27:37] <XXCoder> there is that
[22:32:32] <XXCoder> awesome http://sploid.gizmodo.com/simulation-of-saturn-passing-by-earth-on-a-collision-co-1571745614
[22:32:49] <XXCoder> of course we'd be all dead but what a show meanwhile lol
[22:44:58] <zeeshan> son of a !
[22:45:06] <zeeshan> i tapped the holes to 10-32
[22:45:18] <zeeshan> then realized i dont have a bolt long enough
[22:45:18] <zeeshan> lol
[22:46:01] <CaptHindsight> to the hardware store!
[22:46:35] <zeeshan> its 11:30 pm :{
[22:46:46] <zeeshan> no idea where i could buy 10-32 socket head cap screws at this time of the night
[22:46:57] <XXCoder> lathe one? ;)
[22:47:02] <zeeshan> lathe is out of service
[22:47:02] <zeeshan> haha
[22:47:13] <XXCoder> bit of a irony there.
[22:47:25] <zeeshan> i wouldnt make bolts this small
[22:47:28] <zeeshan> they'd strip too easy
[22:47:45] <zeeshan> i want some grade 8 bolts :D
[22:49:26] <XXCoder> thought they go 1-5
[22:49:32] <zeeshan> wut
[22:49:34] <XXCoder> 1 as cheapo and 5 as airplane tight
[22:52:11] <CaptHindsight> are you thinking of the number of lines in the head?
[22:52:22] <XXCoder> hmm
[22:52:52] <XXCoder> grade is thickness not guality of fit right>?
[22:53:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dippy.org/svcman/image/--09.jpg
[22:54:01] <CaptHindsight> hardness and temper
[22:54:11] <XXCoder> oh
[22:54:15] <XXCoder> guiess I was wrong then
[22:54:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/steel-bolts-sae-grades-d_1426.html
[22:54:34] <zeeshan> XXCoder: grade 8 refers to the proof strength of the bolt
[22:55:12] <XXCoder> ok
[23:02:41] <somenewguy_shp> 1 mark is grade rubber, 3 lines is grade 5, 6 is grade 8 which is strongest common grade
[23:02:50] <somenewguy_shp> actually im not sure if the lowest grade is 1 mark or 0
[23:03:07] <XXCoder> theres unoffical no mark anyway
[23:03:12] <XXCoder> those are crappy
[23:03:14] <somenewguy_shp> metric 10.8 is comparable (slightly stronger) than grade 8 for reference
[23:03:37] <somenewguy_shp> and yeah the grades are just defined properties, so strength and hardness or some such
[23:03:45] <somenewguy_shp> higher is stronger in both systems
[23:04:01] <somenewguy_shp> ughhhhh I hate stainless for the record. this is the LAST time I offer to machine something up for my dad
[23:04:06] <somenewguy_shp> its always SS with him
[23:04:20] <XXCoder> that could sound really bad out of context
[23:04:23] <somenewguy_shp> hes paying for hte next damn endmill. I thought I finally had it w/ my lttle altin coated bit
[23:04:51] <somenewguy_shp> heh
[23:04:58] <Snuggy> LOL @ dad comment...Dad's jobs somehow always wind up being a major pain
[23:05:11] <Snuggy> You're not the only one
[23:05:37] <somenewguy_shp> doens't help that he REFUSES to spec what he wants on paper, its verbally and without confirming what I jot down
[23:05:45] <somenewguy_shp> gives him an out when what he asked for doesn't match what he wanted
[23:05:52] <somenewguy_shp> he thinks its subtle...
[23:05:56] <XXCoder> well
[23:06:05] <XXCoder> in leasts your dad is alive lol
[23:06:18] <XXCoder> my dad died bit over decade ago. by old age
[23:06:22] <Snuggy> There's no 'fudge factor' in CNC...
[23:06:47] <XXCoder> theres always fudge factor till your precision is based on atoms.,
[23:07:09] <somenewguy_shp> you still owe him projects tho? cause I think that is where we are headed here
[23:07:30] <somenewguy_shp> he asked me today if I had a tool I could use to "cut the brackets you made me a little bigger"
[23:07:56] <Snuggy> Yeah...right next to the 'board stretcher'
[23:08:06] <somenewguy_shp> note that he used to be an engineer, and prior to that ran his own contracting company where he did most of the labor, so he's not an idiot
[23:08:14] <somenewguy_shp> but when specing out jobs, mand does he try hard to sound like one
[23:08:33] <somenewguy_shp> "so do you mean weld it up and trim it back to size? cause that would take hours" "yeah can you do that?"
[23:08:38] <Snuggy> What kind of mill are you running? I've got a BOSS 5
[23:08:50] <XXCoder> somenew, research shows that most often accessed words in brain tend to be "erased"
[23:09:03] <somenewguy_shp> meanwhile this is knocking parts off the table for my car which has been in pieces for a few weeks now...
[23:09:06] <XXCoder> I'm starting to get there, some common words I sometimes cant recall for a minute
[23:09:26] <somenewguy_shp> heh, its an unfortunate symptom of not getting killed off early
[23:09:37] <XXCoder> yeah I blame lack of tigers
[23:09:39] <somenewguy_shp> you just live long enough to embaress yourself, its murphys law of longevity
[23:09:43] <XXCoder> and lion
[23:10:03] <somenewguy_shp> I'm running a tiny taig Snuggy
[23:10:58] <Snuggy> I've got "MachDonalds" running it now (I hate it)...so I'm getting into the Linux stuff now
[23:11:47] <somenewguy_shp> linux saved my mill, the mach and windows combination was inifinite headache, and I bought my mill w/ a working and configured computer included in the deal
[23:11:53] <Snuggy> I've also got a Syil C6 CNC Lathe I want to setup under LCNC - again - hate Mach...
[23:12:09] <somenewguy_shp> well its worth every second then
[23:13:01] <Snuggy> I'm waiting on a Mesa plug-n-go 5i25/7i76 to come so I can wire it up. Looks like Thurs this week...
[23:13:27] <Snuggy> I'll do the lathe first. Then the mill
[23:14:58] <somenewguy_shp> cool, im torn on which to get first when i have the space, a full size mill or a lathe
[23:15:09] <somenewguy_shp> and then i get to splurge on real controls etc
[23:15:56] <XXCoder> first, buy me a cnc
[23:16:00] <XXCoder> then mill
[23:16:17] <Snuggy> Yeah...tough call. The mill is probably more useful for day to day, although a CNC router is pretty versatile too
[23:16:50] <Snuggy> You can machine non-ferrous on any decent CNC router
[23:17:18] <somenewguy_shp> yeah, and I feel like I could get a router to pay for itself a bit faster (custom signage etc)
[23:17:19] <Snuggy> You aren't going to do cylinder heads with it...but you can certainly do lots of other useful things
[23:17:45] <somenewguy_shp> I am onyl a hobbiest, but I love real tools, and if I can make it payfor itself I always get the nicer toys
[23:18:01] <XXCoder> new, thats what I hope lol
[23:18:02] <Snuggy> Yeah, it's probably the fastest way to get a ROI with the least amount of experience or investment
[23:18:11] <XXCoder> make small products till I reach around ~$2000
[23:18:13] <XXCoder> then new cnc
[23:18:19] <XXCoder> 8020 one.
[23:18:25] <somenewguy_shp> huh?
[23:18:38] <XXCoder> a new cnc that uses 8020 beams
[23:18:42] <XXCoder> much stronger
[23:19:33] <Snuggy> Try to find a CNC router made out of steel - like an older ShopBot or even a Mechmate (Shopbot copy from 1998 style)
[23:19:59] <XXCoder> nah I want challenge of building it
[23:20:02] <zeeshan> cncs are a poor investment
[23:20:02] <zeeshan> lol
[23:20:04] <Snuggy> The AL extrusions aren't all that strong compared to steel...they deflect
[23:20:08] <XXCoder> zeeshan: of course.
[23:20:12] <zeeshan> doing machine work for a living really sux
[23:20:17] <zeeshan> :P
[23:20:36] <zeeshan> hobby, side business
[23:20:39] <zeeshan> i think its pretty decent
[23:20:40] <XXCoder> zee I just want to have fun and make side money once a while
[23:20:51] <XXCoder> same with my current side business lol
[23:20:53] <somenewguy_shp> I just need my tools to not cost me money
[23:21:03] <XXCoder> it just paid for half of rail system I recently bought
[23:21:05] <Snuggy> So does working for someone else...I'd take machining in my own shop over that
[23:21:05] <zeeshan> i was making these production parts for rx7s
[23:21:10] <zeeshan> about 1000 of em
[23:21:20] <zeeshan> welded for 16 hours straight everyday for 2 weeks
[23:21:24] <zeeshan> hated my life
[23:21:26] <zeeshan> :D
[23:21:31] <somenewguy_shp> my TIG still has yet to earn its price back, but my tubing bender paid for itself it two months worth of weekends
[23:21:35] <XXCoder> zee better that than my current training job. I seal airplane clamps.
[23:21:42] <zeeshan> another 2 weeks of lathe machining and threading
[23:21:47] <XXCoder> nothing but clamps or parts for it. all da,.
[23:22:01] <zeeshan> my tig paid for itself within 2 months of owning it
[23:22:02] <zeeshan> :P
[23:22:06] <XXCoder> nice
[23:22:17] <zeeshan> 10 years ago!
[23:22:21] <XXCoder> I doubt my cnc roi would be that high
[23:22:28] <zeeshan> yea its not
[23:22:30] <somenewguy_shp> although its hard to blame the tig, could have more to do w/ the fact I hardly know which end of the torch to hold lol
[23:22:36] <zeeshan> the reality is, people dont wanna pay money..
[23:22:44] <somenewguy_shp> ^fact
[23:22:48] <zeeshan> and the big boys go to the big boys
[23:22:59] <zeeshan> the only real way i suggest to make moeny is
[23:23:02] <somenewguy_shp> esp the antique VW crowd are a buch of cheap bastids (my crouw)
[23:23:04] <somenewguy_shp> crowd
[23:23:07] <zeeshan> get into a circle of people with the same thing
[23:23:08] <XXCoder> yay my oh shit button and limit switches and cable just shipped
[23:23:18] <zeeshan> like some people build mini jet turbine parts, or quad copter parts
[23:23:20] <zeeshan> or camera mounts
[23:23:25] <zeeshan> but they're on the same forums as those people
[23:23:30] <zeeshan> i usually do car parts
[23:23:32] <Snuggy> Nah...I've done work for Disney, major colleges, the US Govt...I'm just a one man shop - but I am excellent at what I do.
[23:23:41] <Snuggy> If you want something bad enough you go get it
[23:23:58] <WalterN> nitch market :3
[23:24:32] <Snuggy> You can't defeat yourself with this 'big to big' thing...You really don't want to deal with big companies anyway
[23:24:40] <zeeshan> why not
[23:24:43] <Snuggy> The bigger the company - the longer they take to pay
[23:25:12] <Snuggy> After you get enough feathers in your cap, then part is parts.
[23:25:21] <WalterN> hubbel takes 3 months to pay
[23:25:23] <zeeshan> somenewguy_shp: lol
[23:25:32] <WalterN> I know this, because they visited my shop
[23:25:32] <zeeshan> vw + honda + nissan 240sx
[23:25:34] <zeeshan> stay away!
[23:25:36] <zeeshan> they're cheap bastards
[23:25:39] <Snuggy> It no longer is impressive to do work for 'fortune 500' because you work like a slave and they take forever to pay
[23:25:48] <zeeshan> Snuggy: i'd have to disagree
[23:25:53] <zeeshan> i've worked at eaton
[23:25:53] <WalterN> depends...
[23:25:57] <zeeshan> and we made millions
[23:26:02] <zeeshan> during the summer i was there
[23:26:35] <Snuggy> Who is 'we'? You were thrilled to get $2000 a few posts ago....
[23:26:37] <Snuggy> :)
[23:26:47] <zeeshan> 2000?
[23:27:11] <Snuggy> I mean YOU doing the work and YOU getting ALL the pay
[23:27:12] <zeeshan> we, the company
[23:27:23] <zeeshan> and i was only a co-op student tehre
[23:27:33] <zeeshan> made 40k in 4 months
[23:27:41] <zeeshan> TAX FREE!
[23:27:54] <zeeshan> (tuition rebates for the win!)
[23:27:58] <Snuggy> meh...
[23:28:36] <Snuggy> That's stealing....you didn't really MAKE that money. That is called stealing...and abusing the system
[23:28:44] <zeeshan> thats not stealing.
[23:28:56] <zeeshan> i dont think you understand how tuition rebates work
[23:29:04] <zeeshan> if i pay 50,000 in tuition
[23:29:08] <zeeshan> i get 50,000 in tax credits
[23:29:24] <zeeshan> and if i make 40k during the summer, i can use my tax credits to remove all my taxes
[23:29:34] <zeeshan> but thats besides the point
[23:29:42] <zeeshan> i rather work for a big company and have a secure job
[23:29:48] <zeeshan> than work for myself as a primary source of income
[23:30:03] <Snuggy> There is no such thing as 'secure' anything, brother.
[23:30:10] <XXCoder> everyone is replacabke
[23:30:13] <Snuggy> Not anymore
[23:30:17] <zeeshan> a monthly pay cheque
[23:30:18] <WalterN> zeeshan: owning your own machine shop is so much more fun
[23:30:24] <zeeshan> is a hell of a lot better than going out looking for work
[23:30:29] <WalterN> and more up and down in income
[23:30:32] <WalterN> but still more fun
[23:31:01] <Snuggy> I don't go anywhere 'looking for work' - I have a reputation for quality & my customers get in line for me to machine things for them
[23:31:18] <Snuggy> I never advertise - it is all word of mouth & repeat customers
[23:31:18] <zeeshan> you're prolly not a home shop machinist
[23:31:23] <zeeshan> and have a real business
[23:31:25] <XXCoder> doubt I will get there at all lol
[23:31:31] <zeeshan> that's why.
[23:31:32] <Snuggy> My business is at home
[23:31:37] <zeeshan> okay, then i dont believe you
[23:31:38] <zeeshan> lol
[23:31:43] <XXCoder> large shop at home eh
[23:31:54] <Snuggy> Well you're young yet...
[23:31:55] <XXCoder> or is your lathe over sink
[23:31:58] <zeeshan> disney goes to a home shop
[23:32:00] <zeeshan> lol
[23:32:13] <WalterN> zeeshan: heh, yeah, I suppose thats true... I have a 30hp C-axes lathe, another smaller lathe, and a haas VF1
[23:32:31] <WalterN> looking at getting another identical C-axes lathe
[23:32:47] <zeeshan> most of the companies that i've worked for
[23:32:48] <Snuggy> My mill is only 2hp - I have 3 CNC routers
[23:32:51] <zeeshan> when we outsourcd stuff
[23:33:03] <zeeshan> the company we'd go to was liable for the work they did
[23:33:03] <XXCoder> I have 0.3 cnc router
[23:33:06] <WalterN> the VF1 is 8hp I think
[23:33:06] <Snuggy> I don't really do 'production milling' on the 2hp
[23:33:07] <zeeshan> and had to have insurance
[23:33:23] <zeeshan> for example wiring harnesses
[23:33:26] <WalterN> from 1990, however all the modern VF1's have a 30hp spindle
[23:33:45] <Snuggy> Wouldn't mind having a HAAS - sweet machine
[23:34:15] <WalterN> the one I have is complete junk
[23:34:23] <WalterN> but it pushed out a lot of money
[23:34:35] <Snuggy> What's it's downfall?
[23:34:45] <WalterN> everything... lol
[23:35:15] <XXCoder> reminds me of blonde joke
[23:35:16] <Snuggy> LOL! 'Proprietary' troubles? "Well...you have to upgrade your control"
[23:35:27] <XXCoder> it hurts everywhere when touched, its really just hurt finger
[23:36:44] <WalterN> teeth missing in some of the gearing, recently the spindle driver quit working... took it apart and put it back together and it works all of a sudden, the carousel is completely wore out..
[23:36:58] <zeeshan> haas made in china special 1
[23:37:05] <topcyde> Snuggy: Haas has no bearings and no torque. so they stall out AND burn up their bearings. that and finding a service tech that can actually troubleshoot and not just swap parts is impossible.
[23:37:05] <WalterN> I guess the ballscrews and linear bearings are still good
[23:37:43] <WalterN> spindle motor was recently meged, and its good
[23:38:02] <WalterN> hi/low gear sometimes likes to not work
[23:38:29] <XXCoder> what a moron http://notalwaysworking.com/not-the-time-to-have-a-light-bulb-moment/34785
[23:38:55] <Snuggy> Here's an example of MY work. I made this EXACT piece: https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/p720x720/271143_283878621713525_813495148_n.jpg
[23:39:12] <XXCoder> from many, one.
[23:39:18] <XXCoder> I orefer that motto.
[23:39:24] <Snuggy> It is 8 FEET in diameter hanging in the State Dept bldg in NY
[23:39:34] <WalterN> what needs to happen is the encoder knob needs to come off, and replace the rest of the machine
[23:39:34] <XXCoder> nice. big cnc or?
[23:39:55] <Snuggy> Yes...but machined in multiple pieces and assembled
[23:40:04] <zeeshan> looks nice
[23:40:10] <WalterN> XXCoder: he cheated and used a metal SLS type rapid prototyping machine :P
[23:40:11] <Snuggy> Thanks
[23:40:34] <Snuggy> Actually....the building is almost all glass in the front
[23:40:38] <WalterN> (at least, thats what I would do)
[23:40:47] <Snuggy> no way to get a crane in there for real bronze
[23:40:52] <XXCoder> lol. anyway its cool
[23:40:57] <XXCoder> just shatter one
[23:41:00] <Snuggy> it is foam + metal coating!
[23:41:03] <zeeshan> so you get consistent work
[23:41:05] <zeeshan> like that?
[23:41:10] <zeeshan> every month?
[23:41:22] <Snuggy> I pull down the 'big fish'
[23:41:26] <WalterN> cast pot metal
[23:41:29] <WalterN> XD
[23:41:34] <XXCoder> lead
[23:41:39] <XXCoder> cast it right there lol
[23:42:12] <WalterN> I feel dirty for even saying such a thing
[23:42:15] <XXCoder> then paint it over to protect people from tasting its brain damaging sweet sweet taste :P
[23:43:03] <Snuggy> Anybody running a Mesa setup?
[23:43:25] <WalterN> I wish...
[23:43:42] <WalterN> so many machine things I want to make myself
[23:43:53] <WalterN> but busy pushing out parts to screw with that
[23:43:56] <Snuggy> I've got a plug-n-go coming later this week
[23:44:16] <WalterN> maybe in a couple years I can afford to hire somebody and then I can work on that stuff more
[23:44:16] <Snuggy> Yeah...me too - but I gotta have some goodies to look forward to!
[23:44:37] <Snuggy> Yeah...hiring someone = you'll go broke
[23:45:26] <XXCoder> unless really cheap worker. then you go broke by shitty parts
[23:45:33] <zeeshan> :P
[23:46:05] <Snuggy> Or...you get an average worker and still get shitty parts. No thanks. I'll just do it myself ;)
[23:46:15] <XXCoder> well
[23:46:25] <WalterN> depends
[23:46:26] <XXCoder> you could hire a "push button" worker for cnc machines
[23:46:33] <Snuggy> I sure don't miss being an employee...at all. Ever.
[23:46:34] <zeeshan> those still cost $$ :P
[23:46:57] <zeeshan> i've worked enough floor work
[23:47:02] <Snuggy> Yes. That's all this CNC mumbo jumbo is anyway. Just pushing a button :D
[23:47:04] <zeeshan> to hate working on machines!
[23:47:08] <zeeshan> for a living
[23:47:28] <WalterN> thats all I'm doing at the moment
[23:47:34] <WalterN> pressing the go button
[23:47:55] <zeeshan> at gates
[23:47:59] <WalterN> making a bunch of high current electrical connectors for a certain class of land based oil rigs
[23:48:05] <zeeshan> there was 1 machine operator for every 3 cnc machines
[23:48:06] <Snuggy> There's no thought that goes into programming. Just push the button. Money comes out like an ATM
[23:48:09] <zeeshan> (production line)
[23:48:29] <zeeshan> and every 15 minutes you had to do a SPC check
[23:48:37] <XXCoder> yeah from what I see, programming is tough side.
[23:48:39] <zeeshan> for like 15 different dimensions per paart
[23:48:42] <WalterN> http://rigpower.com/ I make basically all the copper stuff in there
[23:48:45] <Snuggy> Production/high volume parts = borning
[23:48:49] <Snuggy> boring
[23:48:55] <XXCoder> making parts afterwards is easy. place, calbrate then go button
[23:48:55] <zeeshan> yea its erxtremely boring
[23:48:58] <zeeshan> i was training those guys
[23:49:04] <zeeshan> and fixing machine breakdowns
[23:49:08] <zeeshan> hated it
[23:49:24] <Snuggy> Custom, one-offs etc is where the money is - and you don't get burnt or bored - as easily
[23:49:24] <zeeshan> i dunno how some people do that stuff for their whole life
[23:49:38] <zeeshan> thats when i decided to go back to school :P
[23:49:46] <XXCoder> zee many jobs I had was that boring
[23:50:05] <XXCoder> the abosite worse was sitting and connecting 2 wires each tv
[23:50:11] <zeeshan> haha
[23:50:16] <zeeshan> dude, that'll make you go crazy
[23:50:17] <XXCoder> it was the one time I ever really hallucated
[23:50:18] <Snuggy> Been there...have a biology & computer science degree...bought a CNC...then 2 more - that's what makes the $$$ and I set the schedule
[23:50:19] <zeeshan> i know it would make me.
[23:50:21] <XXCoder> fuck that shit
[23:50:22] <WalterN> in the end its still making stuff for somebody else... I'd rather make my own products :P
[23:50:37] <zeeshan> Snuggy: i got a 3 year technical college diploma
[23:50:38] <XXCoder> snuggy CS here too
[23:50:43] <zeeshan> 4 year mech eng degree
[23:50:43] <XXCoder> as well as IT
[23:50:44] <zeeshan> and doing masters
[23:50:48] <zeeshan> and i work every summer to get expierence
[23:50:58] <zeeshan> i've noticed as you get more experienced, the jobs get even better
[23:51:06] <XXCoder> zeeshan: it wouldnt be too bad if I was allowed to stand
[23:51:10] <XXCoder> but no.
[23:51:15] <zeeshan> i rather sit!
[23:51:16] <XXCoder> 10 hours, 4 days a week
[23:51:38] <Snuggy> The only sitting I do is on my tractor ;)
[23:51:43] <zeeshan> i was just telling my buddy today..
[23:52:13] <XXCoder> zeeshan: thing is, standing sometimes would help my heart beat bit harder and be more aware
[23:52:26] <zeeshan> #1 job: designing factories & seeing it go through, #2 job: optimizing aerospace components -- i wanna do heavy heavy heavy mathematical models, #3: consulting
[23:52:41] <Snuggy> You gotta find something your heart is into - If you pick something for the money - you're sunk. It'll never work.
[23:52:48] <XXCoder> first job? damn. my first job was mcdonalds. so are my second and third
[23:52:56] <zeeshan> nooo
[23:52:59] <zeeshan> those are what i want
[23:53:06] <WalterN> heh
[23:53:07] <zeeshan> my first job was a grocery store
[23:53:07] <zeeshan> haha
[23:53:10] <zeeshan> that was a long ass time ago
[23:53:18] <WalterN> mine was a diesel mechanic shop
[23:53:27] <XXCoder> Snuggy: well cant be only thing. you do need money. balance is where you want. enough interest to make job decent plus living wage
[23:53:29] <zeeshan> my first real career job was designer for plastic injection mold components
[23:53:31] <zeeshan> i loved that job
[23:53:34] <zeeshan> but not enough money
[23:53:40] <XXCoder> lol my first job was in I guess 1993
[23:53:44] <zeeshan> second was gates (cnc machines robots , training etc)_
[23:53:50] <Snuggy> LOL! Grocery store at night...that's when the chicken feet get sold
[23:53:50] <zeeshan> ^this job wanted me to kill myself
[23:54:12] <zeeshan> i've worked at eaton for every summer pretty much through university
[23:54:26] <zeeshan> now im doing r&d for mcmaster
[23:54:40] <XXCoder> my current job is to seal clamps lol
[23:54:52] <zeeshan> i think i need 70% theoretical work, 30% physical work
[23:54:56] <Snuggy> Well yes, you still need to make the ducks - but IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A SLAVE - pick something you are at least excited about - that's all...we are all pretty much slaves.
[23:54:59] <somenewguy_shp> zeeshan, guess I'm keeping you in buisness yeah
[23:54:59] <XXCoder> lots fun :P in least it varies enough to keep my brain awake. unlike that nightmare of a tv job
[23:55:12] <XXCoder> indeed snug
[23:55:39] <zeeshan> Snuggy: i think thats not a great way to look at it
[23:55:44] <zeeshan> if you think working for a company is being a slave
[23:55:47] <zeeshan> you're working at the wrong place
[23:55:57] <somenewguy_shp> ok I'm geting out of the shop, I just pulled the threads out of the block where my oil pump mounts, and we are not gonna talk about how many weeks went into prepping that pump.....
[23:56:12] <Snuggy> If you HAVE to pay taxes - you are a slave, Neo
[23:56:15] <Snuggy> :)
[23:56:16] <zeeshan> haha
[23:56:16] <somenewguy_shp> blood pressure can not manage this one right now, gonna just walk away and let the slicion cure so its easier to remove
[23:56:21] <XXCoder> you the guy that had issues with spray thing?
[23:56:39] <zeeshan> somenewguy_shp: what base material?
[23:56:45] <somenewguy_shp> aluminum block
[23:56:57] <zeeshan> what engine?
[23:56:59] <zeeshan> dont tell me ls1
[23:56:59] <zeeshan> haha
[23:57:00] <somenewguy_shp> of course I don't have any inserts left
[23:57:03] <somenewguy_shp> VW type 4
[23:57:07] <zeeshan> oh
[23:57:13] <zeeshan> cant you drill and tap it for a bigger bolt?
[23:57:19] <zeeshan> if you dont have any helicoil left
[23:57:21] <somenewguy_shp> aka ye olde timey porsche 914 flat 4
[23:57:26] <Snuggy> How many 'cubes' ccs?
[23:57:29] <somenewguy_shp> whole engine is assmelbed around it..
[23:57:33] <somenewguy_shp> 2000
[23:57:39] <Snuggy> I've got a '71 crew
[23:57:43] <zeeshan> eek
[23:57:48] <zeeshan> thats the worst kind of strip.
[23:57:48] <zeeshan> haha
[23:57:50] <somenewguy_shp> I might have a step stud in the draw to my left, fingers crossed
[23:58:01] <somenewguy_shp> snuggy, lucky, i'm on my second westy
[23:58:07] <somenewguy_shp> this ones a 73, last one was a 77
[23:58:21] <Snuggy> I still wouldn't mind having one of those!
[23:58:44] <somenewguy_shp> I recommend two
[23:58:51] <zeeshan> somenewguy_shp: when i stripped a exhaust manifold mounting thread before
[23:58:58] <somenewguy_shp> a nice one for camping, a BAMF one for woods bashing
[23:59:01] <zeeshan> it was some real art work to fix that shit
[23:59:02] <zeeshan> haha
[23:59:07] <Snuggy> Mine's still got the 1600 in it...but I've got a Corvair 110 w/Powerglide (low miles & running) + brackets
[23:59:07] <zeeshan> 90 degree drill
[23:59:13] <zeeshan> with a custom drill bushing
[23:59:27] <zeeshan> i try to use studs now on anything aluminum thats threaded
[23:59:30] <somenewguy_shp> nice, gonna flip the tranny or the corvair?
[23:59:47] <somenewguy_shp> zeeshan: yeah I debated putting this off another couple of days and ordering some studs