#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-04

[00:19:21] <MacGalempsy> good evening all
[00:20:30] <XXCoder> hey
[00:29:46] <witnit> which .bit file do I flash for my 7i33 to work with 7i90?
[01:07:00] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/PxF1SVk.jpg
[01:07:05] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/d6eTY9R.jpg
[01:07:08] <zeeshan> ghetto mount made
[01:07:08] <zeeshan> :D
[01:12:38] <Jymmm> almost as bad as the ghetto panel backer board
[01:12:44] <zeeshan> haha
[01:12:54] <zeeshan> hey screw you guys and making fun of my panel;
[01:13:01] <zeeshan> in a couple weeks you wont see it!
[01:13:05] <zeeshan> lathe back pan will hide it :P
[01:13:15] <XXCoder> acheivement unlocked: ghettoi panel
[01:13:19] <Jymmm> why, putting up moe ghetto shit ?
[01:13:37] <zeeshan> nahh
[01:13:41] <zeeshan> im tired of throwing chips at my panel
[01:13:52] <Jymmm> gonna be turning soem bling bling
[01:14:06] <Jymmm> hubcab for a necklace?
[01:14:17] <zeeshan> aluminum sex toys
[01:14:38] <Jymmm> will never sell
[01:14:56] <zeeshan> =[
[01:15:28] <Jymmm> SS would though
[01:15:36] <Jymmm> polished
[01:15:45] <XXCoder> very polished
[01:15:52] <XXCoder> like its been polishged twice daily
[01:16:03] <Jymmm> like mirror finish
[01:16:17] <zeeshan> must make!
[01:17:42] <XXCoder> lol well night
[01:17:50] <zeeshan> cu
[01:18:30] <Jymmm> laters sex toy boy!
[01:19:31] <Jymmm> zeeshan: and angle the keyboard tray
[01:20:26] <XXCoder> I wonder how many machinist men has wife scretly make alum dilios lol
[01:20:32] <XXCoder> sorry actually going now
[01:20:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Better question would be how many have NOT done it!
[01:22:15] <zeeshan> Jymmm: i cant type on angled keyboards :[
[01:22:22] <zeeshan> im so used to bad ergonomics
[01:27:04] <witnit> zeeshan, im sorry to tell you man, but someone stole your crosslide and carriage :/
[01:27:30] <zeeshan> haha
[01:29:50] <witnit> http://www.gilmanusa.com/machine-slide-stages/dovetail-slides
[01:29:59] <witnit> see the one in the middle, I bought 6 of those
[01:30:11] <witnit> $30 each with handwheels on the shaft
[01:30:29] <zeeshan> whats the travel on it?
[01:30:35] <witnit> alot?
[01:30:39] <witnit> not sure
[01:30:39] <witnit> hahah
[01:30:57] <zeeshan> 30$ is cheap
[01:31:00] <witnit> very
[01:31:28] <witnit> im just slapping servos on them
[01:31:38] <witnit> and using them for acme slides
[02:14:35] <Deejay> moin
[02:14:53] <witnit> mojn!
[02:15:42] <Deejay> hi there
[02:15:49] <witnit> hey deejay
[02:15:54] <Deejay> :)
[02:16:01] <witnit> heres some morning tune sif you like
[02:16:02] <witnit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0WeIOxZdnw
[02:16:09] <witnit> tunes*
[02:16:59] * Deejay listens to local radio
[02:31:18] * Jymmm just took apart the inverter he got today.... needs to be vacummed out BIG TIME =)
[02:47:44] <tjtr33> crap! 2:30 am!
[02:48:09] <tjtr33> witnit were you looking into Hal visualization?
[02:48:27] <tjtr33> jsPlumb looks more workable than Garn
[02:48:39] <witnit> whats that?
[02:48:49] <witnit> hal visualization?
[02:48:56] <witnit> yes kind of
[02:48:59] <tjtr33> http://jsplumbtoolkit.com/demo/home/dom.html
[02:49:17] <witnit> but more like just an automated schematic drawing app for the physical pinouts
[02:49:46] <tjtr33> i gotta crash, gnite ( but i hacked a but w jsPlumb and think its nice to do it in a browser )
[02:49:51] <witnit> thank you!
[02:49:53] <witnit> bookmarked
[06:37:56] <R2E4> morning, anyone awake?
[07:27:54] <R2E4> mornin
[07:28:13] <R2E4> These lube pumps, how do rthey work?
[07:28:15] <R2E4> CNC Technologie Production
[07:28:26] <R2E4> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lube-Automatic-Lubricator-MMXL-II-MMXLII-/141071456848?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item20d8839a50
[07:28:47] <R2E4> sI apply power to it, and it doesnt do anything....lol\
[08:08:02] <R2E4> Its working now.
[08:09:03] <R2E4> ITs got a clock motor. Every so often it raises the piston and when the piston drops it injects oil, except I think the jet are clogged as nothing is coming out or there is air in the system.
[08:09:18] <R2E4> I am going to let it run all day and see if that fixes it.
[09:26:02] <zeeshan> those automatic lubers are nice
[09:26:49] <jdh> it's always automatic if you know what you are doing.
[09:27:11] <zeeshan> picked up a major tool haul today
[09:27:21] <zeeshan> was kmainly buying the tools for the taps and dies
[09:27:25] <jdh> you have way too much free time and money.
[09:27:27] <jdh> give me some.
[09:27:30] <zeeshan> found a starrett 456 maz in it
[09:27:34] <zeeshan> its worth 1442$ !
[09:27:57] <zeeshan> i spend my money smartly
[09:28:01] <zeeshan> :D
[09:28:06] <zeeshan> he only had a pic of the taps and dies
[09:28:26] <tjtr33> R2E4, every 3min it clocks, make sure its got the min level, better to look rather than push clog all day long http://www.lube-global.com/english/product117_141.html
[09:30:28] <tjtr33> oh and they usually clock once at power up , so keep a drip pan nearby when you're debugging machine ( power on off a lot ) or dscnx it
[09:32:02] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/csdXf
[09:32:05] <zeeshan> pics
[09:32:08] <zeeshan> =D
[09:33:02] <tjtr33> http://lube.co.jp/japanese/lube/member/data/manual/L0104.pdf manual operation and discharge amount
[09:33:11] <zeeshan> someone trade me a mitutoyo 24" height gauge
[09:33:13] <zeeshan> for this gear caliper
[09:33:14] <zeeshan> !
[10:33:39] <R2E4> I think the lines are clogged.
[10:34:23] <R2E4> I checked outputs throughout the system and it seems ok, but everytime I am opening a connection it is inputting airt I think. Nothing coming out at the end
[10:35:25] <PetefromTn_> Mornin'
[10:37:39] <R2E4> mornin Pete
[10:38:26] <XXCoder> what lines? morning
[10:39:00] <PetefromTn_> MOrning R2
[10:39:03] <R2E4> lube lines
[10:39:30] <XXCoder> wonder if blowing em backwards when disconnected could clear
[10:40:01] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: would depend on the air pressure
[10:40:07] <R2E4> I thought of that, problem is it would take all day if not more to get rid of the air in the lines
[10:40:12] <Loetmichel> lube lines are high pressure lines iirc
[10:40:28] <Loetmichel> i dont think he has 80 bar comressed air handy ;-)
[10:40:39] <XXCoder> hmm yeah better check other stuff first before disconnecting those blue thingies
[10:40:47] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: I didnt say blow when its connected
[10:41:02] <XXCoder> I said blow while its disconnected. as in not connected to luve tubes
[10:41:39] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i meant: a clog that is pressed in by grease with a few 100 bar will probably not get losse wenn blown from the oposite side with a few bar
[10:41:59] <XXCoder> ahh well depends I guess. isnt it cone shapes all way in
[10:42:13] <R2E4> discharge pressure .3MPa, I dont call that high pressure.
[10:42:25] <Loetmichel> that sounds easy
[10:42:50] <Loetmichel> i know lubricating systems that use 120 bar as maximum pressure
[10:42:56] <XXCoder> fun
[10:43:00] <Loetmichel> to open the dosage valves
[10:43:05] <XXCoder> cutting something very hard I guess
[10:43:12] <XXCoder> lots cooling and libe needed
[10:44:13] <R2E4> thats 3bar
[10:44:56] <R2E4> tjtr33: thanks for that manual
[10:45:03] <Loetmichel> R2E4: i know
[10:45:14] <Loetmichel> like i said, i thought of more
[10:45:24] <Loetmichel> is that lube system oil or grease?
[10:45:41] <R2E4> I can manuall supply by 5cc
[10:46:16] <R2E4> lube oil with one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lube-Automatic-Lubricator-MMXL-II-MMXLII-/141071456848?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item20d8839a50
[10:46:48] <Loetmichel> if you are worried by having air in your system: try to use the lubricating pump as a "blow free pump"
[10:46:49] <R2E4> That would take all day and a week to remove the air....lol
[10:47:19] <Loetmichel> i.e.: switch the ends of the clogged lines so that the lube pump pumps in the opposite direction
[10:48:46] <Loetmichel> i have declogged a grease line on a machine by screwing a lube pint to the output, opening the input and then using a hand grease pump on the output to pump it free
[10:48:54] <R2E4> I dont know if they are clogged or not.
[10:49:12] <Loetmichel> so as i reconnected it it was filled with the samegrease as the grease pump in the machine has
[10:49:45] <R2E4> Maybe I should just blow it out using air, clould be the output jets also, that wouldnt work on that.
[10:50:22] <R2E4> Loetmichel: wouldnt that push the clog back into the lines and lubetank?
[10:51:00] <Loetmichel> R2E4: no, because i removed the line from the pump and put a bucket under the open end
[10:51:11] <Loetmichel> so i can SEE the clog when it comes out
[10:51:11] <R2E4> AH, I see
[10:54:31] <R2E4> There is a three manifold system at the lube pump. One of the lines goes on top with a 12 line manifold. I disconnected the input and gave it a 5cc releaase and I got lube coming out, so it is getting to the manifold.
[10:55:51] <R2E4> I need a solenoid that will poull the piston up and let it drop, then pull it up again. all day long, that will fill upthe lines....lol
[11:00:46] <Deejay> re
[11:06:17] <witnit> How do I determine which firmware.bit I need to flash to my mesa card? Im using the 7i90 and the 7i33
[11:10:35] <witnit> Im assuming its the same as the SV8 but I only use 4 enc and 4 servo, instead of 8/8
[11:34:23] <R2E4> Anyone know if mesa has standalone cards for 120vdc motors?
[11:47:54] <witnit> I dont think so R2E4 that seems like it may be too standard of an item
[11:53:13] <somenewguy> yeah suprised its such low pressure, although I guess maybe we are talking a oiler? that probbably has no backpressure now that i think about it
[11:53:27] <somenewguy> it is grease systems that need to work into tight places w/ immense pre-load that need the high pressure pumps
[11:53:36] <somenewguy> handheald grease guns are like 2ksi i think
[11:55:17] <XXCoder> lol that shitty kickstarter is at over limit. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/178590870/the-nomad-cnc-mill
[11:55:48] <malcom2073> The only thing more common than stupid ideas on kickstarter, are people willing to throw money at anything :)
[11:56:20] <XXCoder> their design does give me some ideas on how to make my cheapass design more rigid
[11:56:38] <XXCoder> I probably have to go for rigid gantry. easier.
[11:56:50] <somenewguy> i like the design, was considering something like it myself for the spindle on my current minimill
[11:56:56] <malcom2073> I'll tell you what though, if they had spent a couple more dollars and done supported rail instead of freestanding? It would've probably been ok
[11:57:04] <somenewguy> but then I looked closer and was suprised on how slow the spindle speed was
[11:57:37] <XXCoder> forgot - wood needs like 5k - 10k rpm while alum needs like 3k rpm or less?
[11:57:56] <somenewguy> otoh, where on earth do I find 30k rpm bearings? was planning on maybe making my own spindle by shoving a ER16 spindle from taig or sherline into a custom housing
[11:58:15] <somenewguy> no, on a small scale like that, alu needs 3k-20k rpm
[11:58:58] <XXCoder> cool thats within range of router I was thinking
[11:59:03] <XXCoder> its limited to 8k - 20k
[11:59:16] <somenewguy> 1/16 endmill ideally wants 36k rpm for reference in alu
[11:59:43] <somenewguy> but your traverse rate could very well limit how high of an RPM you can effectivly use, so yougotta keep that in mind
[11:59:53] <somenewguy> 20k is probably good enough
[11:59:54] <XXCoder> ok
[12:00:06] <somenewguy> but what is runout like on the router you arethining of?
[12:00:14] <XXCoder> so I got it backwards and its wood that needs less rpm?
[12:00:16] <pcw_home> witnit: 7i90_epp_svst8_4im2.bit, 7i90_epp_svst8_4.bit, 7i90_epp_svst4_8.bit, 7i90_epp_svst8_8im2.bit, 7i90_epp_sv12.bit
[12:00:18] <pcw_home> should all be OK
[12:00:24] <somenewguy> wood is probably slower
[12:00:33] <somenewguy> i don't know tho, I've never really worke with it
[12:00:33] <witnit> oh wow okay
[12:00:39] <witnit> hahah I had no idea how to tell
[12:00:53] <pcw_home> (all with 7I33 on first connector)
[12:00:57] <witnit> and does it default I should use a specific connector
[12:00:59] <witnit> ahh ok
[12:01:32] <XXCoder> trying to figure what runout means, but if its related to router motor I havent bought one yet
[12:01:53] <XXCoder> ahh http://www.precisebits.com/tutorials/spindle_runout.htm
[12:02:12] <XXCoder> I dont own any dial so its untestable for em
[12:02:13] <XXCoder> me
[12:02:39] <somenewguy> ok, for small stuff you need to make sure runout is minimal if you want good results
[12:02:51] <XXCoder> ok
[12:02:54] <pcw_home> One way to tell is load a bitfile, startup linuxcnc and then exit and look at dmesg
[12:02:54] <somenewguy> thats why dremels aren't so hot and I am going for a Proxxon myself if I don't build my own spindle
[12:02:55] <pcw_home> Another way is to run mesaflash --device 7i90 --readhmid (though this still has some bugs)
[12:03:14] <XXCoder> I dont plan on dermel but nice router
[12:03:31] <XXCoder> I saw ok one for $89
[12:03:39] <XXCoder> small enough to be mounted easily
[12:03:46] <XXCoder> 3 in diamter I think
[12:03:50] <somenewguy> cool, I really don't konw anything about routers tho so ud be on yoru own there
[12:04:02] <CaptHindsight> will you give yours a really kewl name like Nomad?
[12:04:09] <XXCoder> nah
[12:04:16] <XXCoder> NomadKiller
[12:04:21] <XXCoder> even cooler :P
[12:04:36] <CaptHindsight> finger stubs
[12:05:38] <somenewguy> so instead of doing paperwork all week I think I'm gonna play with my milling library, anyone have any requests? I need to check on the state of my circular pocketing function but I think thats at 95%
[12:05:48] <CaptHindsight> I didn't think that I could lose more faith in humanity until I saw that Kickstarter pledge amount
[12:06:10] <XXCoder> well if its worth it to those people, its worth it
[12:06:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah, thats the problem
[12:07:21] <witnit> will do those steps in the future pcw_home
[12:08:00] <CaptHindsight> if there was a 10x better router for the same price they wouldn't know the difference
[12:08:25] <XXCoder> yeah 8020 kit you can maybe pay couple hundred more
[12:08:32] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:08:34] <XXCoder> and it can mill alum easily
[12:08:38] <XXCoder> light steel even
[12:08:45] <XXCoder> hey ich
[12:09:03] <IchGuckLive> hi i think no milling in 2014 for you !
[12:09:40] <XXCoder> maybe. maybe not. I just bought rail kit
[12:09:46] <XXCoder> thats a biggie
[12:10:32] <CaptHindsight> ich was yesterday Fleisch ├╝ber einem Feuer brennen Tag?
[12:10:44] <IchGuckLive> you never mounted a rail bevor now you talking about light steel O.o
[12:10:59] <XXCoder> ich I was talking about nicer 8020 kit
[12:11:01] <CaptHindsight> (burn meat over a fire day)
[12:11:08] <XXCoder> not my own cnc router lol
[12:11:17] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: it smelled like a indian camp
[12:11:37] <XXCoder> you come in middle of conversion so of course you missed some of earlier comments like..
[12:11:42] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: we BBq here if there is now thunder and 10deg C
[12:11:47] <XXCoder> yeah 8020 kit you can maybe pay couple hundred more
[12:11:48] <IchGuckLive> every day
[12:13:22] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: still no rain at your place cnc according
[12:13:34] <IchGuckLive> cnn ;-9
[12:13:35] <XXCoder> its been rainy couple days
[12:13:42] <XXCoder> sucks because I planned to mow
[12:14:09] <IchGuckLive> we harvest first potatatos today
[12:15:41] <witnit> thank you fair potatos harvester, I do love spuds
[12:15:53] <XXCoder> cool
[12:16:29] <witnit> I got my hands on some "vining spinach"
[12:16:32] <IchGuckLive> witnit: do you know that US potato chips got 5% of corn mixed up
[12:16:58] <witnit> I live in the "corn state" we have 5% of corn in everything
[12:17:25] <IchGuckLive> here in germany a new TV station is up they show US extrem couponing thats fun
[12:17:34] <witnit> oh yes
[12:17:40] <witnit> I have seen that
[12:17:58] <XXCoder> witnit: including fuel lol
[12:18:12] <XXCoder> water bottles has 5% corn in it. ;)
[12:19:06] <XXCoder> even corn has 5% corn in it
[12:20:02] <IchGuckLive> witnit: i will be in the corn belt in septewmber if all goes right for the new GPS stationed harvest of johnDeer
[12:20:40] <witnit> I just picked up some blue hopi and some indian super sweet :)
[12:21:15] <witnit> we have every weird variant of corn here
[12:21:24] <witnit> what unusual ones have you got there?
[12:21:36] <IchGuckLive> thats why the test in over there not in Russia
[12:21:42] <witnit> haha yes
[12:22:03] <witnit> our food products are starting to be rejected from other countries due to GMO
[12:22:09] <XXCoder> yeah
[12:22:10] <IchGuckLive> in russia only Dupunt corn seet is out so no challenge on sensors
[12:22:23] <XXCoder> apples was recently banned from UK due to chemicals we use
[12:22:33] <witnit> not surprising
[12:23:00] <IchGuckLive> Yes europ is strict on that
[12:23:03] <witnit> good
[12:23:19] <XXCoder> usa goverment form is rich controls it
[12:23:21] <XXCoder> sucks.
[12:23:23] <IchGuckLive> i got 2years ago about 10 US giantcorn seets
[12:23:40] <witnit> I think it will upset the nature of the planet
[12:23:45] <witnit> in the long run
[12:24:07] <IchGuckLive> and 4 houses down the street realy green young girls live i think they killed them on a night shift
[12:24:36] <witnit> hrmm
[12:24:52] <CaptHindsight> the persons responsible will be dead and gone before it reaches a crisis therefor we should start cloning them so they may be tried and hung in 40-50 years
[12:24:53] <witnit> I should mail you some heirloom non gmo indian corn :P
[12:25:13] <IchGuckLive> my new mustard seet is now 1.6m high maybe it will survive this time
[12:25:19] <witnit> nice
[12:25:29] <witnit> food prices are going up here
[12:25:36] <witnit> I think it will only get worse
[12:25:43] <CaptHindsight> thats the plan
[12:25:51] <IchGuckLive> yes as energy and gas needs alot of food rewcorces !
[12:25:59] <CaptHindsight> go back to a 2 class system
[12:26:15] <witnit> our town is trying for renewable enerygy
[12:26:22] <witnit> windmills
[12:26:32] <witnit> we shall see how that goes
[12:26:37] <IchGuckLive> we are here at 450% on green power
[12:26:56] <XXCoder> 450%??
[12:26:59] <IchGuckLive> ok only 500 citicens
[12:27:00] <witnit> "here"?
[12:27:02] <XXCoder> you export green power?
[12:27:05] <witnit> your town
[12:27:05] <witnit> ?
[12:27:18] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: but don't you know that Germany is too far north and cloudy to ever make solar effective?
[12:27:27] <IchGuckLive> we got 65.000 solar panels on the US depo
[12:27:43] <witnit> nice
[12:27:52] <IchGuckLive> alo a 1200kW biopower
[12:28:22] <IchGuckLive> wind power is not on town ground
[12:28:30] <Jymmm> So your town is off the grid 24/7/365?
[12:28:34] <CaptHindsight> but unfortunately still rely to much on Ukrainian natural gas in the winters
[12:28:43] <IchGuckLive> but i can see 52+ windmills on 1.3Mw etch +
[12:29:09] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: is there a plan to move away from imported natural gas there?
[12:29:14] <IchGuckLive> the max is 2.8Mw but ist realy far about 15km its a huge tower
[12:29:28] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: no
[12:29:52] <IchGuckLive> but we are going statewide green 30% till 2030
[12:30:05] <IchGuckLive> last Nuce is down in juli 2020
[12:30:40] <IchGuckLive> China builds 2 cole powerplants a week
[12:30:53] <IchGuckLive> we build 2 in 10 years
[12:31:10] <IchGuckLive> ok ourer german one got 4000Mw
[12:31:18] <IchGuckLive> china only 200Kw
[12:31:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/reuters-germanys-rwe-begins-natural-gas-deliveries-to-ukraine-343615.html
[12:31:35] <IchGuckLive> so its the site of a bakersfild windmill
[12:32:17] <CaptHindsight> China has little coal plants scattered all over their large cities, they use them to make steam for heat in the winters
[12:32:56] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: therfor we use cow shit at 110 households
[12:33:38] <CaptHindsight> in the west building usually have their own HVAC units, in China it steam heat that feeds a neighborhood and window AC's for cooling
[12:34:03] <IchGuckLive> back to 1850 where the cow has been in the house to heat up
[12:34:18] <CaptHindsight> cow shit powers most of our politicians here
[12:34:56] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: in china there are only 9 of them
[12:35:10] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight that or horse manure
[12:35:10] <IchGuckLive> moorbo: etercat works
[12:35:31] <CaptHindsight> in the US people don't really care about what happens to them as long as the sports, light beer and facebook are working
[12:35:42] <Tom_itx> either way you need hip waders when entering the capitol
[12:36:13] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: you forgot car gas
[12:36:48] <IchGuckLive> iv been in croton on hudson 5min away from train station
[12:36:58] <IchGuckLive> took daily train to Manhatten
[12:37:09] <CaptHindsight> yeah, and porn or psuedo-reality TV
[12:37:15] <IchGuckLive> saved 3hr a day nighbour on his carride
[12:37:22] <IchGuckLive> only one block away
[12:37:49] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: are there porn tv stations in the Prude UAS
[12:37:53] <IchGuckLive> Usa
[12:38:15] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: big time but only via pay services
[12:38:28] <IchGuckLive> www.ultimatetvguide.com todays sceduel XXX
[12:39:12] <CaptHindsight> now it looks like we get to pay extra for the current slow internet or get slowed down even further
[12:40:26] <IchGuckLive> best is here that i can see outside European backbone runnng along putins gas pipline but slow internet is on here
[12:41:18] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: why the move away from nuclear power there? too much risk with human error?
[12:41:33] <IchGuckLive> politic
[12:41:52] <CaptHindsight> same here
[12:42:39] <IchGuckLive> from tecnical standpoint woudt be better to be involved as around the boarder 200 plants are in use
[12:42:47] <CaptHindsight> a few years ago people started being concerned with their gas mileage and started buying more efficient cars, now all the big suv's are selling again
[12:43:09] <IchGuckLive> and the wast is 60% full of so its a miss to get it downunder
[12:44:18] <IchGuckLive> worldwide accordence exept Northkorea is to use only 39% of pelet mix
[12:44:30] <IchGuckLive> safty first
[12:44:32] <CaptHindsight> and they purposely passed emissions standards here for diesels so that the 60+ mpg versions can't be sold here
[12:44:42] <moorbo> IchGuckLive: ?
[12:45:12] <IchGuckLive> did i fail i thougt you are working on etercat linuxcnc robotic connection
[12:45:21] <moorbo> not me, sorry
[12:45:29] <IchGuckLive> ;K-)
[12:45:31] <CaptHindsight> he's talking about the fuel rods allowed for nuclear power
[12:46:02] <moorbo> why don't people follow candu methods
[12:46:03] <moorbo> D:
[12:46:44] <IchGuckLive> the fail in fukushima woudt not happen in germany as people dont care on hirachie in extrastandoffs JUST d it
[12:47:07] <IchGuckLive> if there is a rescue system in the standby use it
[12:47:13] <IchGuckLive> dont ask to ask if i can
[12:47:39] <moorbo> germany as an irrational fear
[12:47:48] <moorbo> especially when france is right beside of them
[12:48:15] <IchGuckLive> yes on good days you can see waterplom from 6 france nuce here
[12:48:28] <moorbo> IchGuckLive: are you in the south
[12:48:29] <moorbo> ?
[12:48:32] <IchGuckLive> normaly only putins NLG plant
[12:48:39] <moorbo> or close to metz or something?
[12:48:49] <IchGuckLive> near Ramstein AFB
[12:48:54] <moorbo> ah
[12:48:57] <CaptHindsight> from early on through mainly schools people are socialized here to fit in, not think critically and look to others for approval, so they are unable to analyze and be self reliant
[12:49:00] <moorbo> I was in kassel til last year
[12:49:09] <moorbo> i'm going to rostock this year, or konstanz
[12:49:26] <IchGuckLive> thats far in betwen
[12:50:11] <moorbo> i prefer BW
[12:50:22] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: how long ago were you riding the old trains here into NYC?
[12:50:24] <moorbo> but I haven't lived on the coast yet
[12:50:59] <IchGuckLive> 1986-1988
[12:51:32] <CaptHindsight> if you came back you'd see most of the same cars still in use
[12:52:08] <IchGuckLive> i thought now 3years shift change on railroad cars
[12:52:30] <IchGuckLive> 18month on busses
[12:52:42] <IchGuckLive> NYdot
[12:53:28] <IchGuckLive> 15min service now to catskill
[12:53:43] <CaptHindsight> riding the METRA around Chicago is like taking a trip back in time
[12:54:40] <IchGuckLive> that is the main goal after catillag craped they shoudt give public a boost
[12:54:48] <IchGuckLive> but they got lobyy inside
[12:55:09] <IchGuckLive> ARnold dident make it
[12:55:12] <IchGuckLive> in Ca
[12:55:34] <IchGuckLive> the fresnofreeway shoudt have a 2 line mero
[12:55:40] <IchGuckLive> metro
[12:56:06] <IchGuckLive> in 10min service for the 3mio people having same ride every day
[12:56:10] <CaptHindsight> it's so anti commuter rail here that stations have no or little parking, the airport station leaves you 1 mile from the airport with just an uncovered platform
[12:56:53] <IchGuckLive> yesterday the german railroad pointtiing plan has been relesased
[12:57:31] <CaptHindsight> in Shanghai I go from the city center to the airport in 7 minutes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Maglev_Train
[12:57:35] <IchGuckLive> gere in ermany as a small country only 10Km to the next highway entry
[12:57:53] <IchGuckLive> also only 20km to the next main train station
[12:58:06] <IchGuckLive> and within 50km to highspeed train
[12:58:41] <IchGuckLive> if i take 30min connection here im in 2h10min in paris
[12:58:53] <IchGuckLive> 7hr40by car
[12:59:03] <CaptHindsight> around large cities stations are every few mi/km but it takes nearly 2 hours to go 60mi
[12:59:10] <IchGuckLive> and 3hr25 in london
[12:59:16] <IchGuckLive> 12hr by car
[12:59:57] <IchGuckLive> yes i took a train in 1992 from NY grandcentral to Niagra fals 15hr
[13:00:12] <IchGuckLive> its only 400km+
[13:00:37] <CaptHindsight> same in China, ~4 hours Beijing to Nanjing or Shanghai 811 miles
[13:01:03] <CaptHindsight> heh, yeah maybe averages 40mph
[13:01:10] <IchGuckLive> US rail is on fright service
[13:01:44] <IchGuckLive> but the canadians got a 3,5lane established from vancouver to toronto
[13:02:08] <IchGuckLive> so they can run 8000ton trains in full motion without waiting
[13:02:32] <IchGuckLive> and so cheep as only one service station in the usa there are 4 relais
[13:02:42] <IchGuckLive> from cost to cost
[13:02:48] <CaptHindsight> at least they raise many of the speed limits here on the highways, they were 55mph for quite a while
[13:03:11] <IchGuckLive> 65 Florida got 70
[13:03:49] <IchGuckLive> and did you kow how is responsapel for the US speed limitation
[13:04:09] <IchGuckLive> Germans tat know to ride fast on the non limitations
[13:04:48] <IchGuckLive> has been in TV over 200 speed trafic violances of german car drivers in the given sections
[13:05:11] <IchGuckLive> here is to many traffic on the roads
[13:05:42] <IchGuckLive> like fresno freeway 12 lanes on etch direction but speed is less then 20mph
[13:06:34] <CaptHindsight> I took a 1800mi road trip a few weeks ago to NY, it was mostly trucks especially at night
[13:06:54] <IchGuckLive> for example frankfurt munchen you might be lucky to reatch the us limits in the night times
[13:06:59] <CaptHindsight> most of the big cities are like that now
[13:07:43] <IchGuckLive> what is todays gas price
[13:08:33] <CaptHindsight> around here it's just over $4/gal (3.75L) $0.94/L
[13:09:01] <CaptHindsight> but what % is tax in the fuel price there?
[13:09:42] <IchGuckLive> i see 3.69 on http://www.newyorkgasprices.com/
[13:10:23] <CaptHindsight> about the same if I drive up to Wisconsin
[13:10:28] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: here is ours http://www.benzinpreis-aktuell.de/
[13:11:19] <CaptHindsight> about 50% higher but that's due to taxes
[13:12:12] <CaptHindsight> tax here is only ~$0.50/ gal
[13:12:22] <IchGuckLive> 2,12 USD /liter
[13:12:54] <CaptHindsight> $0.13usd/L
[13:13:02] <CaptHindsight> for tax
[13:13:28] <IchGuckLive> http://www.bft.de/daten-und-fakten/benzinpreis-zusammensetzung/
[13:13:59] <CaptHindsight> China is just over $5usd/gal
[13:14:17] <IchGuckLive> so efficent costs are 0,644Eur =0,89USD
[13:14:35] <IchGuckLive> nice prices in Dubai about 20cent
[13:15:01] <CaptHindsight> they give it away in boxes of cereal :)
[13:15:26] <IchGuckLive> http://www.science-at-home.de/wiki/index.php/Benzinpreis_im_L%C3%A4ndervergleich_%28Tabelle%29
[13:16:10] <IchGuckLive> saudis are cheepest
[13:16:26] <IchGuckLive> but they dont have a plant they need to reimport it
[13:16:36] <CaptHindsight> so actual gas price there without tax is 0.89usd/L
[13:16:52] <CaptHindsight> so about the same as here only the tax rate is much lower here
[13:17:01] <CaptHindsight> they will never do that here
[13:17:25] <IchGuckLive> tht woudt kill the economic
[13:17:29] <CaptHindsight> they oil co's want as much fuel consumed as possible
[13:17:37] <XXCoder> http://1sale.com/electronics/other/standard-panavise/
[13:17:50] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[13:17:52] <CaptHindsight> they will tax highly in other areas
[13:17:54] <CaptHindsight> hasta
[13:28:15] <pcw_home> $.03 a liter in Venezuela
[13:36:15] <CaptHindsight> but cars are $1m :)
[13:44:06] <XXCoder> lol http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_887_30-disney-classics-made-incredibly-creepy-with-tiny-changes/
[15:26:12] <humble_sea_bass> for the record I'd like to state that the trip from Grand Central to Niagara sucks so much ass is because CSX owns a great deal of the rails going north from Grand Central and freight takes precedence over passenger. Thanks obama and the free market
[15:26:16] <humble_sea_bass> thanks
[15:37:39] <CaptHindsight> change!
[15:44:24] <robinsz> evening girls
[15:45:45] <robinsz> anyone happen to have a good circuit to convert a PWM signal and a DIRECTION signal into + - 10V ? or shoudl I just get busy with the opamps?
[16:00:05] <Deejay> gn8
[16:03:21] <robinsz> hmm ...
[16:05:45] <robinsz> oh well ...
[16:06:57] * JT-Shop is back in the land of keyboards YEA!
[16:15:16] <pcw_home> PWM --> cable --> termination --> Fast gate powered by reference voltage --> passive 2 pole filter ( to avoid slew rate limit issues in op amps ) --> 3 pole active filter --> out
[16:21:20] <cradek> PWM --> $69 --> 7i33 --> out
[16:22:24] <humble_sea_bass> what. dollars do signal conditioning
[16:22:26] <humble_sea_bass> fuck yea
[16:22:50] <cradek> dollars do many many things
[16:22:55] <cradek> often the easiest way
[16:27:44] <jdh> I like them.
[16:29:40] <LatheBuilder> howdy
[16:29:57] <LatheBuilder> anyone know of a good primer on estop strings?
[16:40:46] <robinsz> pcw_home, yes, and that will get you say, 0-10V, the -VE volts for the other direction ... come from?
[16:41:23] <robinsz> 7i33 ... wait, I have one of those ... somewhere ...
[17:01:51] <pcw_home> There are a couple of ways to do bipolar one is with PWM/DIR another with UP/DOWN PWM yet another is 50% = 0
[17:02:23] <robinsz> that I have no control over, its the PWM and direction signals coming out of a Haas
[17:02:48] <robinsz> the poxy Haas drive has shat itself (again) so I want to put a regualr AC servo on there,
[17:03:37] <robinsz> Ive got a pile of Baldor MicroFLex drives, they have an analogue +10 0 -10 interface
[17:03:41] <pcw_home> well a 7I33 or make the equivalent (paying attention the the PWM rate)
[17:04:24] <robinsz> or I could fix the haas drive
[17:04:32] * robinsz stares at pile of the poxy things
[17:04:37] <pcw_home> what is the PWM rate? (If low that may be problematic with a analog solution)
[17:04:53] <robinsz> no clue
[17:05:20] <robinsz> but, its done analogue on the original drive
[17:06:22] <robinsz> getting a clue would involve dragging a scope into the machine shop and wading past the coolant pit
[17:07:07] <pcw_home> tiny frequency counter maybe
[17:07:19] <robinsz> not got
[17:07:56] <robinsz> I suppose I could trace out the circuit on the drive
[17:12:13] <pcw_home> headphone to see if its in the audible range?
[17:13:24] <robinsz> part of the trouble is that without a working drive, the machine wont wake up and say hi
[17:14:06] <pcw_home> what does it need from the drive?
[17:14:22] <robinsz> not sure, some sort of "drive OK" signal
[17:14:42] <robinsz> and even if I did fake that, it doesnt help
[17:14:57] <robinsz> as it will throw a following error very quickly
[17:15:11] <robinsz> I suppose I might get a few pulses out of it
[17:16:21] <pcw_home> You will have to generate the drive OK somehow anyway if you replace the PWM drive
[17:19:01] <robinsz> sigh ... poxy haas
[17:19:26] <robinsz> I actually replaced the encoder and drive cables
[17:19:37] <robinsz> got a new drive ($1000 +)
[17:19:42] <robinsz> and it blew it again
[17:20:00] <robinsz> I suspect an insulation breakdown in the motor
[17:20:01] <pcw_home> Ouch!
[17:20:32] <robinsz> I suppose I could repair the drive one last time
[17:20:56] <robinsz> I was thinking of using some IGBT's instead of TO3 mosfets
[17:20:57] <pcw_home> power stage blown?
[17:21:03] <robinsz> yeah
[17:21:09] <robinsz> fet goes pop
[17:21:21] <robinsz> other stuff commits suicide with it
[17:21:44] <pcw_home> IGBTs are normally quite a bit slower so beware if the PWM rate is high
[17:21:56] <robinsz> nah, I has fast ones
[17:22:09] <pcw_home> also IGBTS typically like 15V gate drive
[17:22:54] <robinsz> yep
[17:23:17] <robinsz> I have buckets of 600V / 90A IXYS ones
[17:23:53] <robinsz> you can get 8kw+ out of a pair of those, no problem
[17:27:12] <robinsz> this is rapidly turning into another one of those "I just wanted to mill a bit of ally" ... and involving drive rebuilds and circuit design
[17:27:36] <robinsz> I'll be mining copper ore to make wire before its done
[17:28:32] <zeeshan> robinsz: use modbus
[17:28:43] <zeeshan> rather than dealing with analog signals :P
[17:29:49] <pcw_home> modbus cannot control servoes
[17:30:00] <robinsz> this we know
[17:30:11] <zeeshan> O
[17:30:24] <zeeshan> i thought you guys were talking about spindle drives
[17:30:27] <zeeshan> vfd
[17:30:28] <robinsz> no
[17:30:50] <robinsz> replacing a Haas servo drive with one that does nto explode every 3 minutes
[17:31:02] <zeeshan> haha
[17:31:20] <robinsz> or fixing one of the 3 dead ones
[17:31:35] <robinsz> or finding a cheaper DC servo drive
[17:31:39] <pcw_home> if the motor is bad you will kill most any drive
[17:31:44] <robinsz> true
[17:31:57] <robinsz> I have some Baldor 3 pahse AC servos
[17:32:06] <robinsz> and a pile of MicroFlex drives
[17:32:10] <pcw_home> though some drives have faster protection
[20:09:59] <Jymmm> http://www.wimp.com/luckiestman/
[21:37:15] <witnit> robinsz I need a 3phase drive for 1, possibly three ac servos, got any thing you want to come off of?
[22:26:45] <witnit> [ 1415.320317] hm2_7i90.0: firmware: requesting hm2/7i90/7i90_epp_sv12.bit
[22:26:45] <witnit> [ 1415.323224] hm2/hm2_7i90.0: board has FPGA '3s400tq144', but the firmware in hm2/7i90/7i90_epp_sv12.bit is for FPGA '6slx9tqg144'
[22:27:22] <witnit> what did I do wrong :/
[22:29:19] <pcw_home> specified firmware in the config string
[22:29:48] <witnit> yeah, Im lost again I was not supposed to since I flashed it manually?
[22:30:48] <pcw_home> you dont specify the firmware for cards that have it built-in (like the 7I90)
[22:31:01] <witnit> heh, Ill learn someday man
[22:31:04] <witnit> hahah someday
[22:43:37] <witnit> Thank you :) encoders and such are doing things now