#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-02

[00:00:04] <MattyMatt> gantry is still just a plank
[00:00:18] <MattyMatt> with a drawer slide
[00:00:18] <XXCoder> pretty loose
[00:02:02] <tjtr33> i like the hype cycle chart, but it smashes some of my fav's ( speech2speech/bablefish , wearables)
[00:05:43] <MattyMatt> the level of expectation of all of those is set by the gold standard, Star Trek
[00:06:28] <MrHindsight> well Gartner is also pretty full of himself, he thinks he knows the tech but he's often wrong
[00:07:12] <tjtr33> dammit replicator i wanted exspresso con grappa, this is williams!
[00:07:30] <MrHindsight> I met him last year in Beijing at the 3dp conference
[00:07:57] <MrHindsight> no real idea of where tech is going, he just has history
[00:08:38] <MrHindsight> he just looks back and sells reports
[00:10:33] <XXCoder> http://www.swri.org/vidclip/html/mds.htm
[00:11:59] <MrHindsight> you're not going to see lots of new hybrid additive manufacturing tech in the US since the patent holders don't get along or don't share
[00:12:01] <tjtr33> real banana oil
[00:12:37] <XXCoder> too bad it wasnt MBS. I'd call it magic banana slick
[00:12:44] <MattyMatt> noboby can stop you mounting an additive head on your machine
[00:13:19] * MattyMatt duct tapes mig torch to BT40 taper
[00:13:30] <tjtr33> i took away the common idea that there'd be 3 heads, add , sub, & probe
[00:14:47] <XXCoder> add 3d scanner head
[00:15:03] <XXCoder> so it can check whats going on lol
[00:15:08] <MrHindsight> and or cameras
[00:15:41] <MrHindsight> doing that now, scanning for defects and reworking those areas
[00:16:05] <XXCoder> well night
[00:16:21] <MrHindsight> like the way industrial inkjets watch for dropped nozzels
[00:16:26] <tjtr33> gnite
[00:21:15] <MattyMatt> I think 3d printing is here to stay, the traditional 2d printer makers like HP and Epson will clean up the consumer market
[00:22:18] <MattyMatt> the ability to print toys is a compelling reason to buy one, now Daddy!
[02:09:40] <Jymmm> crap =(
[02:34:46] <witnit> jymmm ?
[02:35:20] <Jymmm> All the engineering that went into the rail light I got, they fucked up and put in the cheapest and intermittant on/off button they could so if you just BUMP the light, it flips from solid to flashing
[02:35:34] <witnit> hahahah
[02:35:42] <witnit> so shmart
[02:36:11] <Jymmm> Yeah, I'm not happy at all.
[02:37:29] <Jymmm> The aluminum rail is good, the latch has a VERY strong spring, but the button and WX sealing isn't up to snuff.
[02:37:40] <Einar> It's the metal in the contacts (or coating). I like these cheap little LED flashlights. Good enough for a lot of things. But they develop bad battery contacts faster than a teenager does zits!
[02:38:26] <Jymmm> This is a rail light, slightly different usage
[02:38:51] <Einar> But probably same parts department.
[02:41:13] * archivist imagines teenagers collecting zits for a hobby
[02:41:43] <Einar> It may also be software. I have a couple of LedLenser's. The biggest does not want to run the batteries fully down. It starts to go blinky when the light output is still acceptable. I dont *always* want to go around with a searchlight on my forehead.
[02:42:12] <Einar> archivist: You were never a teenager?
[02:42:44] <archivist> there is a difference between having and collecting
[02:42:49] <Einar> It was a very common although not popular one back when I was.
[02:45:32] <Einar> Jymm: If the product otherwise is good. Could you do like with chinese tools: consider it a not finshed product and put in a better switch?
[04:29:20] <Deejay> moin
[05:31:27] <witnit_> mojn!
[07:03:16] <MattyMatt> http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=23&product_id=3307_0 these people reckon their 1067 driver can run a 1.8deg stepper at 4688RPM. they can't be serious can they?
[07:04:25] <MattyMatt> I think they've simply taken the max stepping rate of the driver, and ignored the torque curve of the motor
[07:05:38] <MattyMatt> but still, $18 for a chunky nema23. not a bad deal
[07:52:15] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: Yep. 250000 1/16th steps per second for a 1.8 degree motor is 78 rotations per second, or 4687.5 rpm :)
[07:52:57] <malcom2073> That's as much asI paid for my nema17's though, good price.
[07:57:16] <jdh> wouldn't Nm be the normal units?
[08:02:32] <MattyMatt> in SI
[08:02:54] <MattyMatt> Nm instead of "chunky" you mean?
[08:02:55] <jdh> well, if you aren't goign to use SI, you should at least use real units like we do.
[08:04:18] <archivist> you often dont use the real units, you change the size to get bigger numbers
[08:07:46] <malcom2073> Marketing 101 there
[08:08:04] * archivist throws an imperal gallon at jdh
[08:09:02] <MattyMatt> firkins per foot per fortnight
[08:09:20] <MattyMatt> hang on, firkin is measure of volume
[08:09:38] <archivist> are you firkin sure :)
[08:09:40] <jdh> firkins of vodka
[08:09:49] <MattyMatt> full firkins per foot per fortnight
[08:10:30] <XXCoder> four forks per firkins
[08:10:43] <XXCoder> four full forks per firkins
[08:10:57] <XXCoder> wonder if thats toughuetwister
[08:11:46] <MattyMatt> you can make tongue twister for a single fork, and a drill
[08:11:53] <XXCoder> lol
[08:13:05] <archivist> there was a song about the best forking forker in the whole forking land about a fork lift driver
[08:13:22] <XXCoder> fucking forking forker
[08:13:56] <XXCoder> there is fingerspell handtwisters too but its very rare and diffult to find
[09:37:33] <Loetmichel> *tinker* *solder* "Ha, it works!" ... now i have an ibm x21 with wifi ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14865 ( the cabling will get covered)
[09:48:41] <Loetmichel> *gnah* making an image of the xp partition (9,7gb) on the silver/black 32gb thumb drive... and the x21 has only usb 1.1 ... *waaaaiting* ;-)
[09:49:44] <cradek> Loetmichel: that's quite the thing. I just stick a pccard in mine...
[09:50:05] <Loetmichel> cradek: isnt recognized by acronis
[09:50:09] <Loetmichel> have one here ;-)
[09:50:10] <cradek> is that already usb at the top of the screen?
[09:50:19] <cradek> what's acronis?
[09:52:25] <Loetmichel> acronis is the image software
[09:52:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Does your X21 have built in wifi?
[09:52:42] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: NOW it has
[09:52:47] <cradek> haha
[09:52:51] <Loetmichel> thats the point ;-)
[09:52:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: INTERNAL?
[09:52:57] <cradek> I can tell Jymmm didn't look at the picture
[09:52:57] <Loetmichel> no, not internally
[09:53:04] <Loetmichel> glued to the lid ;-)
[09:53:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Yeah, not what I'm talking about =)
[09:53:30] <Loetmichel> you didnt see the pic?
[09:53:34] <Loetmichel> click on the link
[09:53:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I read that some did come with it
[09:53:50] <cradek> well I think they have mini-pci...?
[09:53:59] <cradek> so you can just plug it in, if you can find somewhere to put the antenna
[09:54:05] <Loetmichel> there IS a internal combo card wifi and 100Mbit rj45
[09:54:14] <Loetmichel> but you will loose the analog modem then
[09:54:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I dont have an issue with that =)
[09:54:35] <Loetmichel> which is on the now builtin combo card 100mbit and modem card ;-)
[09:54:47] <cradek> but how do you send faxes?!?
[09:55:22] <Jymmm> cradek: mailto:9005551000@my.faxserver.tld
[09:55:24] <Loetmichel> anyways : this one ha no preinstalled wifi antenna
[09:55:29] <Loetmichel> so the card wouldn work
[09:56:23] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I thought I saw the antenna, but I really didn't take it fully apart.
[09:56:45] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I can run a wire out to the LCD for an antenna
[09:57:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: If you come across the wifi model PN, let me know.
[09:57:33] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: look on ebay
[09:57:46] <Loetmichel> seen some searching for a 256 MB ram module
[09:58:45] <Jymmm> http://www.pelltechnology.net/IBM/Laptop/IBM-Notebook-Handhelds-ThinkPad-X-Series-X21-2662/IBM-ThinkPad-X21-2662-Internal-WiFi-Wireless-LAN-Card-P128426.asp
[09:58:47] <Loetmichel> ah, you need the part number
[09:59:37] <Loetmichel> that card is not a combo with the 100mbit
[09:59:48] <Loetmichel> so you will loose the wired lan port
[10:33:20] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: oh, nm =) I lust my ethernet =)
[10:33:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Honestly, I jsut wish it had some balls to it (X21)
[10:34:09] <Loetmichel> hmm?
[10:34:14] <Loetmichel> why balls?
[10:34:19] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-PO4pciwvE
[10:34:26] <Loetmichel> the x21 is so old, its just barely useable
[10:34:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's super light/thin
[10:34:45] <Jymmm> adn I have a docking station for it =)
[10:34:49] <Loetmichel> so buy an used x60s
[10:35:09] <Jymmm> Screw that, know overheating issues
[10:35:16] <Jymmm> known*
[10:35:22] <Jymmm> Wait, T61
[10:37:33] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I'd like to turn it into a intelligent "dumb terminal"
[10:38:03] <Loetmichel> i have an x60s. never had overheating isssues
[10:38:13] <Jymmm> T60
[10:38:18] <Loetmichel> and its the same size and sturdi
[10:38:28] <Loetmichel> sturdyness as the x21
[10:39:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Hey, what does the port on the top of the LCD have?
[10:39:56] <Loetmichel> usb 1.1
[10:40:03] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: anything else?
[10:40:03] <Loetmichel> and some unkown pins
[10:40:08] <Jymmm> oh
[10:40:10] <Jymmm> Hmmm
[10:40:36] <Loetmichel> http://blog.christian-stankowic.de/?tag=thinkpad&paged=3
[10:52:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You dont have the original recovery discs do you?
[10:52:28] <Loetmichel> no, sorry
[10:52:39] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's all good =)
[10:52:56] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: The X21 Service Manual doens't even mention the port
[10:53:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: X21 Hardware Maintenance Manual (5.55MB) http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/24p2975.pdf
[10:54:10] <Loetmichel> dont need that
[10:54:22] <Loetmichel> i am dismantling laptops for a living
[10:54:29] <Jymmm> Fine, see how you are!
[10:54:41] <Loetmichel> havent found one jet that wasnt seöf-explaining how to repair it ;-)
[10:54:48] <Loetmichel> self
[10:55:09] <Loetmichel> thanks anyway
[10:55:22] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It ca STILL be a bitch to get to the battery sometimes though =)
[10:55:54] <Loetmichel> btw:that is/was a 4500 eur Dell mobile workstation. factory NEW-> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14214
[10:56:10] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: have you noticed if any of the laptops use thermally conductive plastics for the case?
[10:56:22] <Loetmichel> no ordinary ones
[10:56:46] <Loetmichel> i had some rugged/military ones that had a metal case that was desinged as emergency cooling
[10:56:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I think I'll toss in a CF card and boot from it =)
[10:57:18] <Loetmichel> i would look for a ide ssd if i were you
[10:57:28] <Loetmichel> the cf port is awfully slow
[10:57:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Nah, I'll just use knoppix
[10:57:48] <Jymmm> really? that slow?
[10:57:59] <Loetmichel> iirc abouit 3mb/sec
[10:58:03] <Loetmichel> reading
[10:58:22] <Loetmichel> 8 minutes, then the image is done
[10:58:26] <Loetmichel> i can check it
[10:58:29] <Jymmm> k
[10:58:59] <Loetmichel> ... if i find the /"§$"/§$ cf card i should have somewhere ;-)
[10:59:03] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you should have just cloned the drive insteado f going thru usb port =)
[10:59:13] <Loetmichel> cloning?
[10:59:24] <Jymmm> imaged it
[11:00:30] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I use sysresccd.org and partimage on it.
[11:00:56] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I LOVE that thing!!! Even has a netboot server =)
[11:01:22] <Loetmichel> i should have used the 100Mbit port and saved the iamge on the server here
[11:01:35] <Loetmichel> taht would have been faster than usb 1.1, right ;)
[11:01:54] <Jymmm> or just pulled the hdd and used IDE =)
[11:02:17] <Loetmichel> i just making an image because i intend to install xubuntu 14.04 in a few minutes...
[11:02:41] <Loetmichel> and if something goes wrong with the resizing of the xppartition i want to have a backup ;-)
[11:02:42] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Let me know how that works and if it detects all the HW correctly
[11:03:26] <Loetmichel> i will
[11:03:39] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I have a docking station for mine with FDD and DVD too
[11:04:30] <Loetmichel> first caveant: an x21 cant boot from a thumbdrive
[11:04:41] <Loetmichel> so i have to burn an alternate install cd
[11:04:44] <Jymmm> but I think it can from CF
[11:04:47] <Loetmichel> for lubuntu
[11:04:57] <Loetmichel> i cant find the CF card
[11:05:02] <Jymmm> DOH
[11:06:48] <Loetmichel> found it
[11:06:55] <Jymmm> WOOHOO
[11:07:19] <Loetmichel> ... in the old digicam. But 64 MB will not help much ;-)
[11:07:50] <cradek> Loetmichel: neat, thanks
[11:08:01] <Jymmm> I think I have 128MB =)
[11:09:32] <Jymmm> Heh, Frys has a 8GB for $20, probably won't even see it =)
[11:10:54] <Jymmm> Bastards... DX has uSD to CF for $15 WTH, should be $2 =)
[11:26:19] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: nice: lubuntu alternate install loads, AND recognizes the wlan stick... reducuing the xp partition now...
[11:26:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: from a 64MB CF card?
[11:26:51] <Loetmichel> jo, from cd
[11:26:55] <Loetmichel> no
[11:26:58] <Jymmm> oh =(
[11:27:20] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: still cool =)
[11:27:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Did it autoconfgure the wlan or did you have to go in and select it?
[11:27:51] <Loetmichel> but if you have no ultrabase: any normal usb cd/dvd sghould work
[11:28:01] <Loetmichel> the x21 CAN boot from usb cdroms
[11:28:09] <Loetmichel> autoconfig
[11:28:12] <Jymmm> nice
[11:28:24] <Loetmichel> just have to say "use the wlan" instead of the cable
[11:28:37] <Jymmm> I have the docking station, and I also have my ZELMAN too =)
[11:28:40] <Loetmichel> and then it asked which ssid and which passphrase
[11:28:43] <Loetmichel> really nice
[11:28:51] <Jymmm> cool
[11:29:24] <skunkworks__> logger[psha],
[11:29:24] <logger[psha]> skunkworks__: Log stored at http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-05-02.html
[11:47:29] <deMimsy> So I can use the "get" function to get the state of a hal pin in Python/Gladevcp, are there other functions such as getting the name? Is there a man page for hal pin functions?
[11:52:39] <deMimsy> Basically I would like to create a callback function to handle any pin changes, but i need a way to address which pin is sending the signal
[12:01:37] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:02:57] <Deejay> hi
[12:04:04] <IchGuckLive> hi demi
[12:04:49] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: where are you in the world
[12:05:01] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[12:05:29] <deMimsy> I am in California,Usa
[12:05:41] <IchGuckLive> oh hot space and firer all over
[12:05:55] <IchGuckLive> im working for a company in toledo
[12:05:58] <deMimsy> haha, just about. we are getting a lot of wind blowing around dust right now
[12:06:03] <IchGuckLive> sorry torrence
[12:06:36] <IchGuckLive> so you are getting to the halpins
[12:06:42] <deMimsy> remotely?
[12:06:47] <deMimsy> yes i am
[12:06:54] <IchGuckLive> what is the main goal you are trying to get about the state of pins
[12:07:16] <IchGuckLive> did you get some specific target like pendand
[12:07:24] <deMimsy> I run my own gui con-current with axis
[12:07:50] <IchGuckLive> nice
[12:07:56] <deMimsy> I do have a pendant, and I can read the keypad just fine, and output it back to the system
[12:08:24] <IchGuckLive> so you are stuck somewhere
[12:08:30] <deMimsy> but it requires having an individual callback function(value-changed) for each pin
[12:08:43] <deMimsy> Not stuck, jsut really dont like this implementation
[12:09:04] <IchGuckLive> its not the way the system is designed to
[12:09:15] <deMimsy> wanted to clean it up. I can connect every pin to the same call back function. But I have no way of knowing which pin triggered the function
[12:09:18] <IchGuckLive> but you can forece a changew by python
[12:09:30] <deMimsy> yes
[12:09:33] <IchGuckLive> but this is triggering outside the system
[12:09:53] <IchGuckLive> so im asking ones more what pins are the target
[12:10:03] <IchGuckLive> spindle releaded
[12:10:18] <deMimsy> the pins are for individual keys on the pendant
[12:11:03] <IchGuckLive> this is on page 158 in integreater manual target is mdi and direct action
[12:11:22] <IchGuckLive> there is also a pin for giveing the state back of all haluii
[12:11:44] <IchGuckLive> this state pins are ypour goal
[12:12:26] <deMimsy> i am not familiar with that manual, do you have a link to it?
[12:12:48] <IchGuckLive> if ypouo got a I/o you can trigger them direct without python
[12:13:17] <IchGuckLive> yust klick aplication cnc and intecrater manual
[12:14:08] <IchGuckLive> by the way what version are you on with linuxccn
[12:14:48] <deMimsy> cool thanks, found it
[12:15:06] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: are you using parport or other BOB
[12:15:24] <IchGuckLive> hi kb8wmc
[12:15:56] <deMimsy> using 2.5.3
[12:16:01] <IchGuckLive> fine
[12:16:39] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: i got a youtibe channel setup for lots of eng language tutorials http://www.youtube.com/user/magic33de/videos
[12:17:43] <deMimsy> That is a great contribution to the community!
[12:18:35] <IchGuckLive> thanks can you please answer the I/o question for community info
[12:22:07] <Jymmm> cradek: http://i60.tinypic.com/s2qozl.jpg
[12:23:43] <deMimsy> I can trigger i/o without python. But to interface with the gui I am trying to create a collective handler for a set of i/o
[12:24:09] <deMimsy> so in python:
[12:24:51] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: hello there sir, how you today?
[12:25:16] <deMimsy> self.test_trigger = hal_glib.GPin(halcomp.newpin('KEY_A', hal.HAL_BIT, hal.HAL_IN)
[12:25:17] <IchGuckLive> ok up to you deMimsy
[12:26:03] <deMimsy> self.test_trigger.connect('value-changed', self._test_trigger_change)
[12:26:45] <deMimsy> inside the trigger change call back function I would like to be able to get the name of the pin, in this case 'KEY_A'
[12:27:28] <deMimsy> I onl know how to get the value of the pin thus far (hal_pin.get())
[12:27:55] <deMimsy> just trying to find if there is a "hal_pin.name()" function or similar
[12:28:36] <IchGuckLive> normal way is direct the hal signal to yoour python and read it out by a function #
[12:29:30] <IchGuckLive> so your custompostgui does get the signal to your python where you can access it
[12:29:54] <deMimsy> yes, i get the signal
[12:30:15] <deMimsy> this has been confirmed with prints/debugging
[12:30:50] <IchGuckLive> and then the python gives back another siognal towards the pistgui and halui
[12:31:01] <IchGuckLive> and the statereport is the full close lop
[12:31:42] <deMimsy> python just checks to see if that signal is high or not, and prints a message accordingly
[12:32:23] <deMimsy> if i could find the python file that has the "get" function, that would help too
[12:32:45] <IchGuckLive> there is no get function needed
[12:34:18] <IchGuckLive> import hal
[12:34:36] <IchGuckLive> c = hal.component("mimsky")
[12:34:49] <IchGuckLive> c.newpin("xpos",hal.HAL_FLOAT, hal.HAL_IN)
[12:34:54] <IchGuckLive> thats all
[12:35:18] <IchGuckLive> then you can do in python what you want
[12:35:59] <IchGuckLive> you diraect the pin thru a privat component callet mimsky
[12:37:31] <_methods> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload
[12:37:38] <deMimsy> when using a callback function though, i am trying to get the name and state of the pin
[12:39:41] <IchGuckLive> you need to tell hal first your name of the pin then it gives you the signaöl
[12:40:00] <IchGuckLive> _methods: thats a great challenge they are on
[12:40:59] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: after compiling your own hal component it is only loaded in the main hal by loadusr mimsky
[12:44:03] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: klick on my nick
[12:47:09] <narogon> hi
[12:47:19] <narogon> i'm having some problems with my own .ini configuration
[12:47:37] <IchGuckLive> we will help yoou
[12:47:45] <IchGuckLive> can you upload it
[12:47:48] <narogon> yes
[12:47:54] <jdh> you could pastebin your .ini and the associated errors.
[12:49:16] <narogon> .ini file
[12:49:17] <narogon> http://pastebin.com/JUj47a1h
[12:49:57] <IchGuckLive> BASE_PERIOD = 0
[12:50:09] <IchGuckLive> get at least 10000
[12:50:23] <IchGuckLive> narogon: what is your jitter
[12:50:44] <narogon> .hal file
[12:50:45] <narogon> http://pastebin.com/2gKBr8Vm
[12:50:52] <IchGuckLive> 100mm per sec
[12:51:04] <narogon> it's only a test file
[12:51:16] <narogon> i'm using ethercat
[12:51:30] <narogon> and for now i can control everything using halcmd
[12:51:36] <IchGuckLive> SCALE = 1
[12:51:41] <IchGuckLive> 1 step per mm
[12:52:03] <narogon> even i've created some comp files for testing cinematics from halcmd
[12:52:05] <IchGuckLive> nara where are you in the world
[12:52:09] <narogon> using some pyvcp
[12:52:41] <narogon> and now i want to connect it with linuxcnc
[12:52:55] <IchGuckLive> only one axis
[12:53:07] <narogon> i'm testing with only one axis
[12:53:13] <narogon> to text if everything it's ok
[12:53:41] <IchGuckLive> yu can tast the full ini hal with all axis inside and only one connected
[12:54:27] <IchGuckLive> narogon: loadusr is not alowed bevor skin
[12:54:51] <IchGuckLive> this are germen net names können wir deusch reden
[12:55:30] <IchGuckLive> this files are one miss
[12:56:11] <narogon> the ethercat_config_n.xml
[12:56:16] <narogon> is my configuration for ethercat driver
[12:56:18] <narogon> lcec
[12:56:28] <narogon> it works in halcmd perfect
[12:56:48] <IchGuckLive> all clear but it is not in the needed syntax for the interpreter to get setup
[12:57:34] <narogon> some var names are in german because i've copied it from a german hal file
[12:57:43] <narogon> roschi the master of ethercat and linuxcnc heheheheh
[12:58:00] <IchGuckLive> i know him
[12:58:29] <IchGuckLive> if you take his file and do not copy it it will drive your tewst
[12:59:06] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EtherCatDriver
[12:59:32] <narogon> my problem is not with ethercatdriver
[12:59:42] <narogon> i've tested it perfectly in halcmd
[12:59:54] <narogon> I've even move the robot and no problem
[12:59:59] <IchGuckLive> your problem is the setu p
[13:00:15] <narogon> the problem is when i tried to start linuxcnc
[13:00:26] <narogon> it says that
[13:00:40] <IchGuckLive> the vinterpreter got no servo tread but loadusr did request it
[13:01:47] <narogon> here are the roschi's files
[13:02:24] <narogon> http://roschi.eu/~schiffler/retrofit/
[13:02:41] <narogon> roschi_cnc.ini roschi_cnc_estun.hal
[13:02:47] <narogon> he uses loadusr
[13:02:53] <narogon> and he hasn't any problem
[13:02:55] <narogon> with it
[13:05:12] <IchGuckLive> he also intersected bevor servo traed you not
[13:06:33] <deMimsy> solution: to get the name of GPin object in python: get_name()
[13:07:06] <deMimsy> Other pin functions include:
[13:07:07] <deMimsy> 'get', 'set', 'get_type', 'get_name', 'get_dir', 'is_pin', '__repr__'
[13:08:57] <IchGuckLive> narogon: http://pastebin.com/87K5brJE
[13:10:19] <narogon> what is the difference between this one
[13:10:20] <narogon> and mine?
[13:10:33] <narogon> I can't see where the problem is
[13:10:35] <narogon> :S
[13:10:37] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: why dont you simply work with your own component piins insted to force th interpreter to intersect
[13:11:00] <IchGuckLive> narogon: the syntay following
[13:11:22] <narogon> the addf function before the net and setp????
[13:11:49] <IchGuckLive> addf lcec.read-all servo-thread
[13:12:19] <IchGuckLive> this one is prior to set the the module in wait state
[13:12:29] <narogon> i'm going to try it
[13:13:05] <IchGuckLive> then the motion controller is loaded and then the states are putted out to the etercat
[13:13:31] <IchGuckLive> narogon: see this file as a top down workflow
[13:14:57] <narogon> it doesn't seem to be the problem
[13:15:26] <IchGuckLive> did you change the ini also
[13:15:46] <narogon> what do i have to change in ini file?
[13:17:19] <narogon> this is what it sais: http://pastebin.com/5AU3FgnB
[13:20:18] <jdh> where did you get your initial .ini file?
[13:20:36] <narogon> i modify roschi's one
[13:20:54] <IchGuckLive> you can leve his one comledly onchanged
[13:21:33] <IchGuckLive> narogon: why dident you use the 2.5.3
[13:22:02] <narogon> because sittner modifications to include ethercat driver
[13:22:06] <narogon> are made over 2.6.0
[13:22:26] <narogon> i download directly from git sittner page
[13:22:44] <narogon> roschi uses 2.6.0 also
[13:23:07] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: have you ever come across these in use? http://delphi.com/manufacturers/cv/powertrain/injection-systems-and-components/smart-injector-diesel-engines/
[13:23:10] <IchGuckLive> 2.6.0-pre changes daily
[13:23:47] <IchGuckLive> narogon: he did a E-chain plc over classic ladder
[13:24:01] <IchGuckLive> you said in halcmd the robot moved
[13:24:45] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: sorry I meant zeeshan
[13:25:04] <IchGuckLive> net ec_up lcec.state-op => classicladder.0.in-00 => lcec.0.0.drivecontrol-0
[13:25:23] <narogon> yes, i have a pyvcp panel where i command x y z positions, a comp kinematics file that i've created transform it to position command of the drives
[13:25:38] <narogon> the question is
[13:25:50] <narogon> what are the minimum signals that may be connected
[13:25:54] <narogon> to run linuxcnc???
[13:26:06] <IchGuckLive> estop_out
[13:26:18] <IchGuckLive> net estop_out classicladder.0.out-00 => iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
[13:26:56] <narogon> more specifically to open linuxcnc even if it doesn't work or command position
[13:27:06] <IchGuckLive> coustom postgui he connected the chain
[13:27:07] <narogon> to discard other problems
[13:27:25] <CaptHindsight> narogon: you don't have to have a machine connected
[13:27:47] <IchGuckLive> remove the hal file in in i
[13:28:16] <IchGuckLive> leve couctom postgui but clear the file
[13:28:33] <IchGuckLive> then it shoudt startup
[13:28:44] <IchGuckLive> if you change the filepath to yours
[13:29:20] <IchGuckLive> loadusr -W lcec_conf /root/linuxcnc/configs/roschi_cnc/ethercat_config_estun.xml
[13:29:52] <narogon> if i comment halfile and clear postgui_halfile
[13:29:57] <narogon> it doesn't start
[13:30:20] <narogon> it says waiting for s.axes
[13:30:28] <IchGuckLive> no you need to have the llece set up
[13:30:53] <IchGuckLive> its waiting for back and forthe info
[13:31:13] <IchGuckLive> you also need to have the etercat powerd
[13:31:29] <IchGuckLive> that seams to be the case
[13:32:27] <IchGuckLive> i need to leve the channel
[13:32:34] <IchGuckLive> BYE for today
[13:32:56] <narogon> thanks for your help IchGuckLive
[13:34:57] <narogon> jdh CaptHindsight do you have any idea where could the problem be?
[13:40:49] <CaptHindsight> narogon: I've never used that panel
[13:41:42] <narogon> I want to use the standard panel!! what panel do you mean?
[13:43:18] <CaptHindsight> I'm still reading the backlog
[13:43:52] <narogon> ok thanks
[13:49:37] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i am pretty sure the new mazda 6 diesel uses that
[13:49:43] <zeeshan> and also cx-5 & cx-6
[14:02:10] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: there's a complete disconnect between the mfg's website specs and how they are sold as replacements or aftermarket, there's no decoder ring
[14:02:19] <zeeshan> haha
[14:02:24] <zeeshan> yea its always like that
[14:02:37] <zeeshan> thats the only way they can charge you 600% more at dealerships
[14:02:44] <zeeshan> and 300% more at auto parts stores
[14:02:47] <CaptHindsight> i did find one data sheet that decodes the serial numbers
[14:04:11] <CaptHindsight> it actually contains the variance of the injector from nominal spec and how they introduce random numbers at the end from making it too easy for tuners to richen the mix
[14:05:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mkmcustoms.com/images/products/detail/Untitled.4.jpg these Bosch units also look nice, used in the Ford 6.4's
[14:09:25] <zeeshan> that does look nice!
[14:09:27] <zeeshan> fancy
[14:09:36] <zeeshan> looks easy to disassemble
[14:15:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.chinanozzle.cn/injector_common.htm
[16:23:43] <Nebukadneza> heho
[16:28:01] <Deejay> gn8
[16:28:16] <Nebukadneza> say, is it okay to ask cnc, but not directly linux-cnc related questions here?
[16:28:28] <Nebukadneza> a friend of me just got this:
[16:28:28] <Nebukadneza> www.ebay.de/itm/Komplette-CNC-Schrittmotor-Steuerung-Mit-Gehause-Fur-4-Achse-4-Motoren-Bis-3-5A-/181375620572?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item2a3ad455dc
[16:29:14] <Nebukadneza> and we're trying to hook it up for linuxcnc or gmfc controlling -- but we're not even sure of the basics yet. it does have an lpt interface, and claims to directly support mach2, 3, emc2 and kcam4...
[16:29:26] <Nebukadneza> so i can just get a usb->lpt interface and .. well .. hook it up?
[16:32:28] <_methods> it may hook up
[16:32:42] <_methods> usb is a gamble
[16:32:56] <_methods> some usb to rs232 interfaces work better than others
[16:33:21] <Nebukadneza> this would be parallel port, right?
[16:33:30] <_methods> oops sorry
[16:33:42] <_methods> yeah i don't know i've never tried usb to parallel
[16:33:48] <Nebukadneza> ok ;) i thought paraport voltage levels were less critical than serial port, in regard to usb driving ability?
[16:33:52] <_methods> sorry was helpin buddy with usb to rs232
[16:34:11] <Nebukadneza> but, there are active (i.e., individually powered) usb->lpt adapters, i'd assume they work in most circumstances?
[16:34:25] <_methods> no idea i just use parallel
[16:34:41] <_methods> old computer with parallel or newer with card
[16:34:44] <CaptHindsight> usb--> LPT won't work for real time
[16:34:52] <_methods> then there's that
[16:34:52] <Nebukadneza> oh
[16:34:57] <Nebukadneza> oky, thats good to know ;0
[16:35:01] <Nebukadneza> pcmcia should be ok?
[16:35:14] <CaptHindsight> USB is not real time
[16:35:15] <_methods> as far as i know that should be fine
[16:35:29] <CaptHindsight> pcmcia ---> LPT should be fine
[16:35:37] <CaptHindsight> is this a laptop?
[16:36:02] <Nebukadneza> yes, we originally planned to connect it to a (over)used old small netbook
[16:36:07] <CaptHindsight> laptops have power management issues that impact real time
[16:36:26] <CaptHindsight> run the latency test on the LiveCD
[16:36:29] <Nebukadneza> mh, thats a good argument
[16:36:31] <Nebukadneza> yes, will do that
[16:36:58] <CaptHindsight> new laptops are pretty zippy with how they handle ACPI on the EC
[16:37:12] <Nebukadneza> zippy? (sorry, not english native...)
[16:37:25] <Nebukadneza> i guess thats a positive attribute?
[16:37:30] <_methods> hell i speak english native and i have no idea wtf that means lol
[16:37:34] <CaptHindsight> old laptops EC (embedded controller) connect over slow links and tend to have really poor latency numbers
[16:37:43] <CaptHindsight> zippy = quick or fast
[16:37:51] <Nebukadneza> ah, ok ;)
[16:38:57] <_methods> damn that's kind of expensive for that kit
[16:39:22] <Nebukadneza> i didn't buy -.- $friend bought it without reading enough ;P
[16:39:24] <_methods> 6560, power supply and 4 motors
[16:39:26] <Nebukadneza> now we're stuck with it for now
[16:39:30] <_methods> ouch
[16:39:32] <Nebukadneza> ididntpay ;P
[16:39:36] <_methods> good for you
[16:39:40] <Nebukadneza> ack
[16:39:41] <_methods> bad for your friend
[16:39:53] <Nebukadneza> anyways, shouldn't be 100% bad if we can get it to run
[16:40:14] <Nebukadneza> okay, sooo ... next step is to have him dig up the laptop, check for native parport, check for pcmcia, if not -> grab ne pc
[16:40:31] <Nebukadneza> if it has either, run latency test with most power management from bios disabled and PSU connected
[16:40:39] <Nebukadneza> then either be happy or -> grab new (old!) pc
[16:40:54] <_methods> i'm a big fan of the old pc approach
[16:40:55] <Einar> _methods: Even if you consider the low cost local freight? I've looked at items on Ebay where the freight exceeds the price!!
[16:41:11] <_methods> i'm glad i don't live in deutschland
[16:41:34] <_methods> oh yeah margarita time
[16:41:40] <Nebukadneza> margarita? pizza?
[16:41:51] <_methods> no margarita the mexican drink
[16:41:56] <_methods> with a beer in it
[16:41:57] <_methods> lol
[16:41:58] <Nebukadneza> oh
[16:41:59] <_methods> margarona
[16:42:01] <Nebukadneza> whats that exactly?
[16:42:26] <_methods> https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXldZjkLAdEV7P9lop8T-XGbZhQBsQhHGQfe8v0zZDPuJrohew_4NN4Gg
[16:42:29] <Einar> I just bought a stepper from Farnell. Not cheap, but in my hand the next day! Time is money.
[16:42:52] <_methods> oops
[16:42:54] <_methods> sorry
[16:42:56] <Einar> Quack!!
[16:42:59] <_methods> doh
[16:43:27] <_methods> http://a3.urbancdn.com/w/s/MB/6WbbTtPiPFV5ok-640m.jpg
[16:43:33] <_methods> was supposed to be that
[16:43:46] <Nebukadneza> whats in it besides the beer?
[16:43:52] <Einar> Looked a lot better. ;-)
[16:44:10] <_methods> margarita mix
[16:44:19] <Einar> Distilled cactus?
[16:44:21] <_methods> which is like lime juice and simple syrup
[16:44:23] <Nebukadneza> that gstatic thing that has the jpeg base64 encoded in the url ... wow ;)
[16:44:25] <Nebukadneza> ah
[17:14:20] <Nebukadneza> re
[17:14:53] <Nebukadneza> say ... if usb is generally not realtime, how do these usb->mach* breakout board thingies work?
[17:15:14] <Nebukadneza> do they have some kind of logic where you send a batch of n commands with their timing information, and they somehow realize the exact timing on a uC or similar?
[17:21:49] <cradek> yes exactly - they have an external timing source and they queue up some motion
[17:22:34] <Nebukadneza> okay
[17:23:00] <Nebukadneza> so with something like: http://www.poscope.com/PoKeys56U i wouldn't have to worry about any kind of timing issues on pc side, right? including fucked up power management on laptops?
[17:23:33] <cradek> are you asking a question about using mach?
[17:24:11] <Nebukadneza> i'm not sure yet how all those control schemes (mach, emc2, kcam) differ ;/
[17:24:26] <Nebukadneza> my driver pcb thingy with parport states to support all of them oO
[17:24:42] <witnit> flexibility mostly, each have their pros and cons
[17:24:47] <cradek> then I recommend you don't buy hardware until you know what you're trying to do exactly
[17:25:00] <cradek> I believe that pokeys is a hid
[17:25:10] <cradek> it's unlikely to be the best way to do ... anything with linuxcnc
[17:25:17] <Nebukadneza> see above, a friend bought the stuff already without proper reading, now turning to me to help getting it to run ;)
[17:25:33] <Nebukadneza> mh, ok
[17:25:34] <cradek> argh, that leads to suffering.
[17:25:37] <Nebukadneza> yes ;[
[17:25:47] <Nebukadneza> still, i want to make the best of the situation
[17:27:48] <Nebukadneza> okay, if i can't get him to dig up another old computer with hardware parport, i'll start reading into those "buffered" breakout boards that do their own timing for motion control signal
[17:27:54] <witnit> I think you should have no problem getting it to run, worst case scenario you ditch the controller and switch to something familiar from the mesa line
[17:28:05] <cradek> that German Noun device oughta just plug into a parallel port and work with a basic configuration like what you can make with stepconf
[17:28:59] <Nebukadneza> mh yeah, assuming we can find a computer with native parport and no timing issues ;)
[17:29:07] <cradek> oh that's trivial
[17:29:14] <witnit> you will find it
[17:29:16] <cradek> any junk computer will work fine
[17:29:25] <Nebukadneza> hehe, yeah, he has got a broken one and i have a spare amd be-2300 mainboard
[17:29:29] <cradek> I have a pile of ten in the recycle pile at work
[17:29:33] <Nebukadneza> summing up its a working box with parport ;)
[17:29:34] <cradek> you can have one
[17:29:37] <CaptHindsight> whats the Linuxcnc install procedure for 14.04?
[17:29:41] <Nebukadneza> haha ;)
[17:29:45] <Nebukadneza> where do you live, cradek?
[17:29:47] <cradek> CaptHindsight: there isn't one
[17:29:54] <cradek> Lincoln NE US
[17:30:01] <cradek> stop by anytime :-)
[17:30:07] <CaptHindsight> looks like 3-4 dependency issues
[17:30:09] <cradek> but you can probably find one closer to you just as easily
[17:30:09] <Nebukadneza> i'd guess shipping is more expensive than a new non-junk computer locally ;P
[17:30:14] <cradek> yep!
[17:30:26] <Nebukadneza> anyways, that won't happen today anymore..., so i'm stopping to bug you, as i understood what i need to know for know
[17:30:27] <CaptHindsight> when trying to use the precise packages
[17:30:46] <cradek> CaptHindsight: that's pretty normal when using packages for one system on another
[17:30:48] <Nebukadneza> especially the difference between "dumb" usb breakouts and bufferd ones ;)
[17:30:59] <cradek> don't use usb anything
[17:31:10] <Nebukadneza> ideally ;P
[17:31:15] <CaptHindsight> PCW: what was the workaround for the dependencies for 14.04
[17:31:30] <Nebukadneza> oh, one last questions .. does the linuxcnc livecd image work when simply DD-ed to a usb stick?
[17:31:50] <CaptHindsight> cradek: yeah, but a few have it going, just trying here for the 1st time
[17:31:53] <cradek> Nebukadneza: no - you have to use the "startup disk creator" in ubuntu or similar
[17:32:06] <Nebukadneza> ok
[17:32:24] <CaptHindsight> i thought someone said the precise repo worked
[17:32:26] <cradek> CaptHindsight: surely it'll work fine if you build it
[17:32:46] <CaptHindsight> maybe that's what they had to do
[17:33:10] <CaptHindsight> just checking since nothing went easy on this so far
[17:33:28] <cradek> on debian 7 I built packages very easily
[17:33:41] <cradek> I just can't recommend ubuntu anymore
[17:33:58] <CaptHindsight> graphics render slower than complete software rendering at 33mhz
[17:34:11] <CaptHindsight> yeah, we hate it here
[17:34:23] <cradek> my experience is software rendering always works reliably and plenty fast enough for AXIS
[17:34:39] <cradek> it's just some lines, not a video game
[17:35:07] <CaptHindsight> for some reason ubuntu did something really weird for AMD
[17:35:23] <witnit> I payed $5 for the computer I use as my cnc, the second lpt port I added was 5.99 plus shipping though ahhahaha
[17:35:31] <cradek> hah
[17:35:37] <CaptHindsight> on kernel needs KMS and others don't work with it
[17:35:48] <CaptHindsight> on/pne
[17:36:05] <CaptHindsight> I give up for today, fingers are too tired
[17:41:53] <witnit> cradek Nebukadneza http://www.ebay.com/itm/390824766187
[17:42:55] <skunkworks_> we just got some referb dell precision t5500 iirc - holy crap those are nice.. 2 quad core xeons..
[17:43:21] <skunkworks_> (going to be solidwork stations)
[17:44:01] <skunkworks_> and darn quied
[17:44:03] <skunkworks_> quied
[17:44:06] <skunkworks_> quiet
[17:44:14] <cradek> I wonder what on earth they think they're doing with that pendant
[17:44:33] <witnit> playskool
[17:44:35] <cradek> record and playback the "gcode"? wtf?
[17:44:50] <witnit> programmable controller pendant?
[17:45:19] <cradek> uh you jog with it to make sure you screw up everything and the computer doesn't know where you are anymore?
[17:45:56] <cradek> you can program it with the pad, as long as you only need to move one axis at a time
[17:46:18] <cradek> people make some crazyass stuff
[17:49:19] <witnit> haha
[17:49:22] <witnit> yes yes they do
[17:50:27] <witnit> I couldnt believe it, I bought these "Rapid-Air" feeder units for $100 each, just sold one for $750
[17:50:37] <witnit> its basicly and air cylinder.
[17:50:41] <witnit> insane.
[17:50:54] <witnit> an*
[17:53:38] <_methods> yeah that one poor guy paid like $700 for that and 4 steppers
[17:55:20] <_methods> they need to call the white house
[17:55:35] <_methods> i'm pretty sure they're starting some big people against rape thing right now
[17:56:27] <witnit> oh methods im at about 3200 holes
[17:56:55] <_methods> damn nice
[17:56:59] <_methods> wow
[17:57:08] <_methods> 3" deep holes?
[17:57:13] <witnit> yeah
[17:57:15] <_methods> wtf
[17:57:22] <_methods> you need to call the fbi
[17:57:37] <_methods> that's some x-files shit
[18:18:20] <witnit> Im looking for something like this but bigger has anyone have a suggestion? brand names maybe? http://www.ebay.com/itm/191158136630
[18:19:23] <witnit> im not even sure what the common name would be for such a thing
[18:21:26] <_methods> bigger than that?
[18:30:17] <witnit> yes
[18:30:52] <witnit> if they come bigger, I have clumsy fingers at times and use alot of space when possible
[18:31:46] <witnit> I like the built in power supply and such that is handy since I usually am dragging a pc power supply to my little breadboard all the time and then dragging it to the shop when I test there
[18:44:40] <deMimsy> I seem to be having some trouble implementing persistence with my linuxcnc gui, does anyone have experience with this?
[18:46:06] <deMimsy> namely when running the "self.ini.save_state(self)" I seem to crash in the Tkinter.py
[18:53:48] <witnit> deMimsy here are some chat logs pertaining to Tkinter.py you may find some immediate leads here http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/search?q=Tkinter.py&channel=&go=Go
[18:54:09] <deMimsy> cool, thank you :D
[18:54:22] <witnit> Good luck! sorry im cluesless otherwise!
[18:58:13] <deMimsy> you pointed me to a whole new resource i didnt even know about, that alone is significantly uselful
[19:05:17] <witnit> it saves alot of these guys from having to address issues repeatedly, from what I can tell the contributors are usually the ones who solve end user problems too and if I can help get people on the right track with questions now and then they can keep on doing what they do best.
[19:09:04] <deMimsy> searching forums is good and all, but generally you need very specific paramters for any useful results on the forum
[19:09:19] <deMimsy> solved it btw
[19:09:32] <deMimsy> apparently my save file was being write protected
[19:17:48] <witnit> nice
[19:18:08] <witnit> ive found more solutions in the chat logs than anywhere else
[19:18:56] <witnit> it takes some work to get to certain issues but no ads to browse and easy to keep track of what you have an havent read
[21:18:33] <skunkworks_> everyone one must be out getting drunk
[21:19:08] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: I am not as look as you drunk
[21:19:13] <XXCoder> here
[21:59:58] <skunkworks_> everyone one must be out getting drunk
[22:02:00] <jp_mill> i wish
[22:03:06] <_methods> i'm naked
[22:03:11] <zeeshan> !
[22:03:16] <XXCoder> not me. I dont drink
[22:03:21] <zeeshan> <- searching for 50 ton hydraulic presses
[22:03:25] <zeeshan> i dont drink either :]
[22:03:36] <_methods> i'm just naked
[22:03:40] * Jymmm grabs the slingshot and looks at _methods
[22:03:46] <cradek> only on special occasions, like evenings and weekends
[22:03:51] <zeeshan> aim for the balls!
[22:03:58] <_methods> haha
[22:04:04] <jp_mill> or any day that ends in y
[22:04:19] <zeeshan> lol
[22:04:20] <skunkworks_> I was going to say days ending in y but cradek beat me to it..
[22:04:22] <Jymmm> zeeshan: what balls? OH you mena the ones his better half has on the mantel in a jar?
[22:04:26] <skunkworks_> or jp...
[22:04:45] <_methods> oh that hurts
[22:05:02] * skunkworks_ finishes up his glass of cheap wine
[22:05:27] <Jymmm> _methods: Hey, what can I say. I notice you dind't deny it either =)
[22:05:31] <_methods> so how far overkill is it to put servos on an x2
[22:06:13] <Jymmm> _methods: Not like you have any use for them anyway <ducks>
[22:06:23] <_methods> heheh no shit
[22:06:28] <Jymmm> =)
[22:06:43] <_methods> it's friday night and i'm on irc
[22:06:45] <_methods> .............
[22:07:02] <_methods> mainly because valve has blown the fuck up
[22:07:16] <_methods> otherwise i'd be droppin 'nades on fuckers right now
[22:12:56] <humble_sea_bass> what vidia
[22:12:59] <humble_sea_bass> gaem
[22:13:06] <witnit> ^ drunk also
[22:18:20] <_methods> tf2
[22:19:55] <_methods> haha steam servers are down for routine maint
[22:20:07] <_methods> who the fuck schedules routine maint for prime time
[22:20:16] <_methods> valve you so silly
[22:25:13] <witnit> good point
[22:25:18] <witnit> that is odd
[22:25:56] <witnit> lets just do all updates globally :/
[22:28:25] <_methods> it would be odd if it was rare
[22:28:31] <humble_sea_bass> tf2 has been out for what, 8 years, they know you're hooked
[22:28:42] <_methods> it's not just tf2
[22:28:48] <_methods> valve done blown up
[22:29:01] <_methods> gabe spilled his big gulp on the keyboard
[22:29:09] <humble_sea_bass> i can't sperg out on CS:GO tonight
[22:29:17] <_methods> nerp
[22:29:26] <_methods> no shanky shanky
[22:29:44] <humble_sea_bass> time to sperg on iracing then
[22:29:52] <_methods> heheh no shit
[22:29:59] <_methods> i don't even have a wheel
[22:30:07] <_methods> i'm gonna go irace with my mouse
[22:30:18] <_methods> they will love me
[22:30:25] <humble_sea_bass> get a damn wheel
[22:30:27] <humble_sea_bass> be a hero
[22:30:40] <_methods> a mouse wheel lol
[22:30:47] <humble_sea_bass> one of the guys in this group i play with uses an xbox controller
[22:30:49] <_methods> i'll turn my mouse sideways
[22:30:54] <humble_sea_bass> everyone hates him
[22:31:00] <_methods> hahah
[22:31:01] <_methods> right
[22:31:44] <_methods> wow valve has been blow'd up for over an hour
[22:32:05] <_methods> http://steamstat.us/
[22:32:34] <_methods> i guess the store still works lol
[22:33:06] <_methods> heheh you can buy games you just can't play them
[22:37:30] <Incognito675> now you know why having an online dependance for a game sucks!
[22:40:32] <_methods> no doubt
[22:41:16] <_methods> actually video games save me millions of dollars
[22:41:48] <_methods> they keep me from trying to machine shit while i'm drunk
[22:43:09] <Incognito675> join AA.
[22:43:23] <_methods> i did that
[22:43:26] <_methods> the 82nd was gay
[22:44:29] <humble_sea_bass> vidya games
[22:44:34] <humble_sea_bass> are great
[22:44:52] <_methods> ^^
[22:46:19] <_methods> oscar?
[22:46:46] <humble_sea_bass> what
[22:46:57] <humble_sea_bass> stalker
[22:46:57] <_methods> added
[22:47:13] <_methods> chisel
[22:48:32] <humble_sea_bass> i sees ya
[22:48:39] <_methods> hrroo
[23:54:38] <tjtr33> maybe useful for hal diagrams, Ganv , a Gtk toolkit for connected boxes
[23:54:49] <tjtr33> http://imagebin.org/308731 http://videobin.org/+7pk/a64.html http://pastebin.com/zG8ApG2Z