#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-27

[02:35:24] <Deejay> moin
[04:12:33] <witnit> mojn
[05:46:21] <Deejay> hi bedah
[05:49:41] <bedah> hi dee
[06:54:46] <micges> the_wench: !seen robh
[06:56:59] <archivist> !seen rob_h
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[07:01:34] <micges> archivist: thanks, got short memory ;)
[07:25:16] <archivist> harder for me to forget, I implemented various extras in the bot
[07:49:54] <malcom2073> Hey, so I put the linuxcnc image on a usb stick and am trying to boot it, after the board posts, I just get a blank screen with a blinking cursor, never gets to grub, and the motherboard doesn't complain about unable to find boot device, any thoughts?
[07:57:41] <cpresser> malcom2073: thats because its not inteded to be put on a usb-stick
[07:57:53] <cpresser> malcom2073: the image is a CD-Image, not a USB-Image
[07:57:54] <malcom2073> cpresser: I have no other way to install it at the moment
[07:58:10] <malcom2073> cpresser: so the normal ISO to usb installer tricks don't work with the linuxcnc iso image?
[07:58:11] <cpresser> malcom2073: you need a software to 'convert' it.
[07:58:24] <cpresser> iso2usb should work
[07:59:09] <malcom2073> I've tried win32diskimager, Universal USB installer, and unetbootin
[07:59:18] <cpresser> but i would not bet on this. never tried it beore
[08:00:07] <malcom2073> hmm
[08:00:59] <cpresser> according to this post unetbootin should work: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36140.html
[08:01:41] <malcom2073> Hmm, that guy says he tried linux live usb and it worked, I'll give that a shot
[08:03:16] <cradek> I have always been able to make a bootable usb stick from our ubuntu image, using the "startup disk creator" in ubuntu
[08:03:41] <malcom2073> Yeah I don't have a linux install here atm
[08:04:37] <cradek> oh, I don't know how to help then, except to say it's possible to do, keep trying google advice
[08:04:50] <malcom2073> yep, downloading lili now and giving it a shot heh
[08:05:23] <malcom2073> If all else fails, I can always go buy a cdrom
[08:21:03] <bedah> http://imgur.com/oKdit65 minimill, http://imgur.com/y5YxHx3 first piece
[08:22:06] <bedah> (beercap for scale)
[08:26:01] <malcom2073> Nice, I like the enclosure too
[08:27:23] <bedah> thanks :)
[09:15:58] <Tom_itx> unetbootin worked for me
[09:17:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, went to a civil war reenactment yesterday... must say the cannons were pretty cool
[09:17:34] <Tom_itx> the south still lost..
[09:17:44] <malcom2073> Wound up burning it to a cdrom, and pulling the cdrom out of my desktop to use :)
[09:17:49] <malcom2073> It worked, and it works! Woohoo!
[09:18:14] <malcom2073> AFter running the latency test and plugging in the numbers, it can do 90mm/second
[09:21:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Wouldn't that be a rewrite instead of a reinactment if the North won?
[09:22:17] <Tom_itx> think back to the future
[09:22:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Sorry, I used up my last Y-Flux Capacitor yesterday
[09:23:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Have more on the way from China though, ETA 45 days
[09:23:50] <Tom_itx> it'll only get you halfway there
[09:24:06] <Tom_itx> or it will only get half of you there
[09:24:10] <Jymmm> Thus the bulk purchase
[09:26:40] <newcncown> hello
[09:26:50] <Jymmm> Anyone know how to sterlize HDPE containers by chance?
[09:26:53] <newcncown> I'm new linuxcn
[09:27:24] <newcncown> I'm plug camera and install
[09:27:45] <newcncown> open new tab and crossair is ok
[09:28:04] <newcncown> but I don't make offset,how I do?
[09:28:54] <Tom_itx> you may have to wait for one of the camera guys to show up
[09:31:21] <newcncown> thanks Tom_itx , I waiting
[09:32:10] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: autoclave, IR, IPA soak etc etc
[09:32:25] <Jymmm> IPA ?
[09:33:12] <MrHindsight> isopropyl alcohol
[09:34:28] <Jymmm> Oh no, this is foodgrade carboys I'm trying to clean out that had syrup in them
[09:35:15] <Jymmm> HDPE
[09:36:35] <MrHindsight> so you have to wash and then sterilize, lots of work
[09:36:47] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: BTW... Alcohol does NOT kill e.coli, for example, let alone Hepatitis, HIV
[09:38:20] <Jymmm> YEah, something likfe that. If I had a small pump and heater, I could make a sort of dishwasher for them
[09:39:59] <Jymmm> Place the carboy upside down over a rod (pipe with jet holes), then pump water thru it that falls into a holding tank that the pump draws from
[09:43:58] <newcncown> do you hear me any body :)
[09:45:47] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: I'm not sure where your info came from but 95% IPA acts as a solvent on the protein that makes up the cell membrane. Without the membrane it's no longer a cell.
[09:48:28] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: CDC... Alcohols are not recommended for sterilizing medical and surgical materials principally because they lack sporicidal action and they cannot penetrate protein-rich materials.
[09:49:11] <Jymmm> Hell, even bleach can't kill "EVERYTHING".
[09:50:40] <MrHindsight> it always takes about 30 or more questions to get >90% of the conditions, requirements, budget and philosophy around what you're actually trying to do
[09:51:07] <MrHindsight> so we're only on #2 or #3 right now, so bear with me
[09:52:01] <MrHindsight> is this for a medical or surgical application?
[09:52:02] <Jymmm> You just suggested IPA for sterlization, I was just informaing you that's not recommended is all.
[09:52:55] <MrHindsight> how sterilized do they have to be?
[09:53:22] <Jymmm> I just have some HDPE carboys that had syrup in them I want perfectly clean for water storage.
[09:53:44] <Jymmm> 100%
[09:55:33] <MrHindsight> wash and autoclave, then followed by radiation to kill anything trapped inside any HDPE pockets that could open later from flexing
[09:56:21] <MrHindsight> how are you planning on sanitizing the water before filling?
[09:56:34] <Jymmm> Uh yeah, we all have autoclave large enough to drive a small car into *rolls eyes*
[09:56:42] <newcncown> sorry how I do camera offsets?
[09:57:29] <MrHindsight> newcncown: using camview?
[09:57:56] <newcncown> I guess ,yes.
[09:58:17] <newcncown> but camview tab is empty, camera tab is active
[09:58:47] <MrHindsight> I'd wait a few weeks, or ask PSHA, we tried it the other day and it's broken
[09:59:09] <MrHindsight> it's not part of Linuxcnc, it's a 3rd party app and plugin
[09:59:26] <MrHindsight> I have to fix it and expand on it anyway
[09:59:37] <newcncown> smilar this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMlmjsdTOy4
[10:00:14] <newcncown> psha is owner this app?
[10:00:33] <MrHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Axis_Embed_Video
[10:01:09] <MrHindsight> newcncown: how did you install it? did you use psha's repos?
[10:01:14] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Vingar... maybe *shrug*
[10:02:19] <newcncown> yes MrHindsight
[10:02:28] <MrHindsight> http://psha.org.ru/b/camview-emc.html
[10:02:33] <newcncown> but not "added by bonny"
[10:03:20] <MrHindsight> newcncown: yeah, it's broken, he has a working version but the howto skips steps and it outdated
[10:05:01] <MrHindsight> newcncown: wait a few weeks, it will probably get forked since it requires so much repair
[10:05:18] <newcncown> ok MrHindsight , Do we must waiting? or have alternative app?
[10:05:32] <MrHindsight> no alternative known
[10:06:06] <malcom2073> Jymmm: There's a movie "The confederate states of america" which is a history documentery, set in modern times if the south won the war
[10:07:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I don't do history, but thanks =)
[10:07:23] <malcom2073> It's satire, but ok
[10:07:43] <newcncown> Can I install gqcam and pycamunits and gladevcp?
[10:10:35] <MrHindsight> malcom2073: sounds similar to how several fascist groups were defeated in the mid's 40's but 50-60 years later come back and silently take over and silently win
[10:11:37] <malcom2073> MrHindsight: It's a very interesting movie, basically america is universally hated (like now), except because of slavery rather than the other reasons.
[10:12:58] <MrHindsight> was also a film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/
[10:13:49] <malcom2073> Yeah that one
[10:17:16] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: http://iris.fishersci.ca/LitRepo.nsf/0/802CD760096A786A85257AB80054935B/$file/95870642.pdf
[10:18:13] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: so you should get PP carboys that are already sterile
[10:19:10] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Well, PP is always best but not always affordable being the issue.
[10:19:14] <pcw_home> and remember even autoclaving wont deactivate prions
[10:19:42] <humble_sea_bass> that's a spike lee joint
[10:20:04] <MrHindsight> that's why he needs to irradiate them
[10:20:11] <Jymmm> If I can get boiling water in them, might be able to get them to a level I'd be happy with.
[10:20:12] <humble_sea_bass> I actually couldnt sit through that movie
[10:20:32] <humble_sea_bass> mainly because I was watching it in virginia and there were a couple "wouldn't this be great"
[10:20:35] <humble_sea_bass> in the room
[10:20:50] <MrHindsight> the 100% sterile water will get contaminated otherwise
[10:20:52] <pcw_home> irradiates doesnt deactivate prions either
[10:21:03] <pcw_home> irradiation
[10:21:05] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: yeah, scary isn't it
[10:21:29] <MrHindsight> pcw_home: then you're not using enough
[10:23:02] <pcw_home> there is some evidence that ashing doesn't deactivate them either..
[10:23:04] <MrHindsight> washing, short MEK solvent bath, rinse, autoclave, radiation
[10:23:20] <MrHindsight> Prions are proteins
[10:24:09] <Jymmm> FUUUUUUUUCK.... To sterize First soak in hot pan of lye for 30 minutes, then hot pan of bleach FOR AN HOUR, eeeesh
[10:24:29] <pcw_home> but a template of the protein may be enough to start incorrect folding
[10:24:47] <Jymmm> THEN perform normal sterliziation... autoclave, etc
[10:24:56] <pcw_home> "Prions can be destroyed through incineration providing the incinerator can maintain a temperature of 900 F for four hours. "
[10:25:10] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Sterilization
[10:25:17] <MrHindsight> followed by autoclave
[10:26:05] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Fuck it, Billy Says OXYCLEAN CAN DO IT!
[10:26:06] <MrHindsight> so 900F autoclave then remolding
[10:27:53] <MrHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Sterilization
[10:28:59] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Too slow, scroll up
[10:29:03] <MrHindsight> Effective prion decontamination relies upon protein hydrolysis or reduction or destruction of protein tertiary structure.
[10:29:21] <humble_sea_bass> I've done work for some hospitals, and their sterilization facilities look a lot more like cafeteria kitchens
[10:29:25] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: no, it was a joke, followed by autoclave after 900F
[10:30:05] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: glorified dishwasher, except you have to handle all the sick crap!
[10:30:13] <MrHindsight> like shooting after hanging
[10:31:06] <humble_sea_bass> their equiptment was also not too good, also excessive humidity because HVAC system can't keep up
[10:32:10] <humble_sea_bass> and sterilization units that refused to print their little receipts because they couldn't hold pressure or tempearture
[10:32:16] <MrHindsight> why would anyone use used containers for such a sterile application?
[10:32:52] <skunkworks_> anyone remember what the cable driven mechenism is called where the x and y axis interact and kins are needed?
[10:33:17] <MrHindsight> how about use them as is filled with rainwater and then a Brita at the spigot?
[10:33:20] <Tom_itx> no but i saw a reprap like that with one stepper
[10:34:05] <pcw_home> skunkworks_ X something?
[10:36:33] <archivist> hx ?
[10:36:35] <Jymmm> Does a sump pump have ANY pressure to it?
[10:37:01] <Jymmm> 30 PSI maybe?
[10:37:29] <MrHindsight> depends on how you measure it
[10:37:47] <Jymmm> Just want to emulate a dishwasher jets is all
[10:38:15] <Tom_itx> just get a pressure washer with a squeege wand
[10:38:28] <MrHindsight> http://hackaday.com/2014/03/15/mrrf-corexz/
[10:39:03] <MrHindsight> http://corexy.com/theory.html
[10:39:42] <humble_sea_bass> sumps have different head rratings
[10:39:55] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I hear the electric ones are crap though
[10:40:42] <Tom_itx> so hook it to a cummins
[10:40:49] <Jymmm> lol
[10:41:17] <ChuangTzu> lol
[10:41:18] <skunkworks_> MrHindsight: exactly! thanks
[10:41:44] <MrHindsight> you can find used Hobart dishwashers for cheap, just add the restaurant disinfectant detergent and it's good enough for NSF
[10:42:28] <humble_sea_bass> what the hell are you ppl making. I kinda just got up
[10:42:37] <humble_sea_bass> dishwashers?
[10:43:20] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: he needs to clean and disinfect HDPE carboys of yet unmentioned volumes
[10:44:17] <humble_sea_bass> 5 galons probably, to make beer
[10:44:23] <humble_sea_bass> dont do it
[10:44:29] <MrHindsight> store water
[10:44:38] <humble_sea_bass> "water"
[10:44:58] <MrHindsight> sterilized di from the sounds of it
[10:46:05] <Jymmm> a sump pump "Do not use where water recirculates." ?!
[10:46:36] <MrHindsight> how will you sanitize the pump?
[10:46:55] <ChuangTzu> starsan
[10:47:26] <humble_sea_bass> sump pumps do not have checks so when you turn it off you're gonna have backwash
[10:47:52] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: thanks
[10:48:00] <ChuangTzu> np
[10:48:30] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: better than one step?
[10:50:28] <ChuangTzu> i think starsan might be slightly better at sanitizing
[10:50:31] <MrHindsight> looks like two 1 hour baths in sodium hypochlorite
[10:50:40] <ChuangTzu> i've only used starsan and iodophore
[10:50:54] <humble_sea_bass> I use starsan for beer
[10:51:05] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Seems that iodophore will stain plastics
[10:51:10] <ChuangTzu> yeah, it definitely does
[10:51:24] <ChuangTzu> it's gross
[10:51:32] <Jymmm> Welding with batteries, YAY... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV5oLPLUzrM
[10:52:03] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Heh, I'll hi the local brewing place today and see what they carry.
[10:52:08] <Jymmm> hit*
[10:52:16] <MrHindsight> Phosphoric Acid (75%) (CAS# 7664-38-2) 50% Dodecylbenzene Sulfonic Acid (CAS# 27176-87--0) Isopropyl Alcohol 10%
[10:52:41] <MrHindsight> nope that's not going to do it
[10:53:43] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: ?
[10:54:08] <MrHindsight> ^^ from the MSDS for Starsan
[10:54:27] <MrHindsight> http://www.jstrack.org/brewing/msds/starsan.pdf
[10:54:31] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Yes, I read that. but why the "not going to do it" ?
[10:54:44] <MrHindsight> won't kill everything
[10:54:56] <Jymmm> Oh, nothing will kill EVERYTHING
[10:56:12] <Jymmm> but if I can still smell cherry syrup, I didn't clean it well enough =)
[10:56:19] <humble_sea_bass> why do we think there are prions in thise carboys?
[10:56:21] <ChuangTzu> use PBW first
[10:56:31] <ChuangTzu> get rid of the cherry syrup
[10:56:36] <ChuangTzu> then sanitize
[10:56:48] <ChuangTzu> then put a bacteriostatic in when you fill with water :P
[10:56:53] <XXCoder> melt the whole equipment. no more syrup smell. ;)
[10:56:57] <MrHindsight> the label said cherry syrup with chinks of real meat from the UK
[10:56:57] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: and PBW will do that? These are HDPE carboys
[10:57:04] <ChuangTzu> yeah
[10:57:53] <MrHindsight> Prion filled Blintzes
[11:00:30] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: HHAHAHAHAHAHA OXICLEAN
[11:01:06] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Ok, 1%, but still =)
[11:02:24] <MrHindsight> how about plasma or flame treating the inside?
[11:02:46] <humble_sea_bass> you know glass carboys are real cheap
[11:03:03] <skunkworks_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mach-software-artsoft-software-/219432-setup-pulleys-can-mach3-handle.html
[11:03:44] <XXCoder> please support if can, only less than $1000 left to go! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1569698176/2000-student-projects-to-the-edge-of-space
[11:05:03] <MrHindsight> they should have used the flex funding so they can keep whatever they raise
[11:05:11] <XXCoder> indeed
[11:05:38] <XXCoder> I always strongly support science learning,we need more science saavy students.
[11:06:27] <MrHindsight> too bad schools don't encourage critical thinking and creativity
[11:06:41] <XXCoder> yeah. just tests. test test test test...
[11:07:30] <MrHindsight> I've seen proficiency teats for toddlers
[11:07:43] <XXCoder> oh fucking kidding me?
[11:07:58] <humble_sea_bass> teats
[11:07:59] <MrHindsight> stop letting sociopaths run schools
[11:08:20] <XXCoder> its business thats runing em now. tests take money.
[11:08:22] <MrHindsight> same for banks and governments
[11:08:56] <MrHindsight> not sure when enough people will make that connection
[11:09:16] <MrHindsight> sociopaths as leaders = bad
[11:09:32] <humble_sea_bass> well, exams are a great way to dither
[11:10:06] <Tom_itx> test to a govt standard only for govt funding
[11:10:11] <Tom_itx> not for education
[11:10:21] <humble_sea_bass> nobody is ever to blame because it is inclonclusive in the short term
[11:10:42] <humble_sea_bass> but all said and done, our kids end up scientifically illiterrate
[11:10:43] <MrHindsight> so when does it end?
[11:10:55] <MrHindsight> how bad does it have to get?
[11:11:15] <humble_sea_bass> it doesn't. crazy money to be made from textbooks that look like glossy nat-geos
[11:11:17] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: thing about tests is that it discourages any education not in tests.
[11:11:29] <XXCoder> machine shop? gone. crafts? gone.
[11:11:57] <XXCoder> critical thinking? GONE
[11:12:17] <MrHindsight> so the problem solves itself, the people that did this have died off...
[11:13:17] <MrHindsight> overpopulation, food shortage, climate change etc etc
[11:13:43] <MrHindsight> kick the ball past your lifetime
[11:14:10] <humble_sea_bass> from persoonal experience here in nyc, tests are used to try and quantify shortcomings while making money for test publishers like princeton
[11:14:44] <humble_sea_bass> the tests point at teachers/coriculums etc
[11:15:24] <humble_sea_bass> the flavor of the day, and seldom points at the straight up poverty, parents that don't know better etc
[11:16:21] <MrHindsight> evil genius
[11:17:48] <humble_sea_bass> i would like to set up one those vocational schools like in germany for kids that feel that college isn't for them
[11:18:12] <MrHindsight> A^2 + B^2 = ?, A = you are poor, B = you are poor and don't know the answer, C = A and B,
[11:18:35] <humble_sea_bass> but it is kind of terrifying when you talk to a teenager, show him a tape measure and he can't grasp 1/8ths and 1/4s and fractions in general
[11:19:07] <humble_sea_bass> I'm going to steal that and pass it off as my own Cap
[11:19:18] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: what would you teach? Unions have their own apprentice programs
[11:19:37] <humble_sea_bass> Unions here are a fucking shit show
[11:19:51] <MrHindsight> what's left of them
[11:20:21] <humble_sea_bass> they have been decimated
[11:20:23] <humble_sea_bass> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/camping-out-for-five-days-in-hopes-of-a-union-job/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
[11:20:48] <humble_sea_bass> camping for days, to get an application for a union job
[11:21:37] <MrHindsight> plus the plan is to eliminate them so the job creators have enough money to hire more people :)
[11:21:43] <humble_sea_bass> the unions here in nyc have become the bastion of crooks too. if you know someone you can probably get in, if you're justa brown nobody, go camp outside for one of 25 spots every year
[11:22:59] <MrHindsight> my point about the apprentice programs is that all those types of jobs are being eliminated or expected to be done for slave wages
[11:23:44] <humble_sea_bass> agreed, I just think a lot of inner city kids don't know how to do dick except work a cash register
[11:23:56] <MrHindsight> the plan is to completely eliminate a middle class everywhere
[11:24:45] <MrHindsight> not sure what China will do long term, they just spent 30 years building a middle class
[11:24:46] <humble_sea_bass> there is dignity and pride when you know how to grab a piece of metal or wood and make something, which in turn probably gives you some critical thinking skills which may urge them to do something else
[11:27:42] <humble_sea_bass> that and they're not learning math the way we're teaching it, perhaps an applied method is called for
[11:29:09] <MrHindsight> it will be interesting watching how long they can keep Greece, Spain from imploding further and watching it happen to the rest of the EU
[11:29:26] <XXCoder> The real job creators is middle class. Not rich.
[11:29:29] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: they don't want to actually educate kids in schools
[11:30:07] <MrHindsight> it was turned into a business long ago
[11:30:11] <humble_sea_bass> wait, so it is really daycare!?
[11:32:03] <MrHindsight> the problem is getting people that are the most effected by this and that don't think to understand what is happening and what they can do to change it
[11:32:39] <MrHindsight> they already seem used to how it is and don't even think about changing things
[11:32:44] <humble_sea_bass> that's the upsetting part, the idiocracy syndrome that's been injected into it all
[11:33:54] <MrHindsight> and then there are people like those in that movie theater that are on their side
[11:34:33] <MrHindsight> yet don't benefit from it, but actually are hurt by it
[11:34:49] <MrHindsight> people that want the government out of their medicare
[11:37:23] <smeding> deep conversation for a CNC channel huh
[11:37:42] <MrHindsight> it was beautiful takeover by dumbing everyone down and marketing, I didn't think that people would fall for it as easily as they did
[11:37:44] <humble_sea_bass> lets just smoke weed and machine stuff
[11:37:52] <smeding> oh, i'm not saying it's bad
[11:38:32] <MrHindsight> smeding: Deep Thoughts here on Sunday am :)
[11:38:34] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/politics/65th-annual-shad-planking/2013/04/18/f56c5942-a81b-11e2-8302-3c7e0ea97057_gallery.html#item6
[11:38:43] <smeding> sunday PM for me, but sure
[11:38:51] <smeding> the US does seem like a shithole to me in most ways
[11:38:59] <MrHindsight> yeah
[11:39:39] <humble_sea_bass> Every time i go to the virginia shad planking thing I walk awat with is "as a white person, I want to continue being middle class at the expense of everyone else except the wealthy, because I may become wealthy too"
[11:39:43] <smeding> about the only thing i feel it has going for it compared to where i live (Netherlands) is the people seem better and there's more land around
[11:39:55] <smeding> shad planking?
[11:40:19] <ChuangTzu> the us might suck, but the rest of the world sucks more (in my experience)
[11:40:20] <humble_sea_bass> the US is only a shithole if you're poor, uneducated, and not self-aware
[11:40:45] <humble_sea_bass> self-awareness being the key to get rid of the first two
[11:40:49] <MrHindsight> smeding: lots of tech in the Netherlands, inkjet, additive manufacturing, deposition and software
[11:41:08] <smeding> lots of tech everywhere i feel like
[11:41:10] <MrHindsight> smeding: I've been wondering what drives it there
[11:42:14] <smeding> i don't feel i see it more here than other places
[11:42:32] <smeding> that said, i haven't tallied :p
[11:43:31] <MrHindsight> also depends on where you are in the US or Texas :)
[11:44:03] <smeding> i'm not sure if the US is much good if you're middle class either
[11:44:36] <smeding> saw a nice study recently that basically reported that when rich people and average people disagree about something, the rich people get their way
[11:44:49] <smeding> https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf
[11:44:51] <MrHindsight> also depends on how you measure
[11:45:03] <smeding> sure, doesn't anything? that's why i'm linking the paper
[11:45:19] <smeding> i read through it, and while i'm not a political scientist it seemed rigorous enough
[11:45:51] <MrHindsight> I've witnessed this happening here for decades
[11:46:47] <smeding> i think it might also be partly due to disillusionment with 'the system'
[11:46:50] <smeding> that's something i see here
[11:47:42] <MrHindsight> there was a movement here in the 60's that had that as a central theme
[11:48:56] <MrHindsight> so 20 years later they were more clever with how they marketed the takeover, and 9-11 was a dream for them
[11:52:36] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto
[11:53:34] <MrHindsight> he used to try to subvert the system from within all the while appearing to be the model teacher from the point of view of the administration
[11:56:05] <humble_sea_bass> It presents an incoherent ensemble of information that the child needs to memorize to stay in school. Apart from the tests and trials that programming is similar to the television, it fills almost all the "free" time of children. One sees and hears something, only to forget it again.
[12:01:06] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[12:04:17] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: how is spring doing there?
[12:04:21] <Jymmm> Penny battery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIdPfDHeROI
[12:07:22] <MrHindsight> so 1.6 million pennies gets you 1 million volts
[12:08:20] <IchGuckLive> its great here in western germany
[12:09:36] <MrHindsight> how many pennies in parallel to get ~100A for welding?
[12:11:54] <MrHindsight> 1.39 Joules per cell as measured http://www.wired.com/2012/09/could-a-penny-battery-power-a-house/
[12:20:35] <archivist> we had a gullible noob in ##electronics wanting to recover joules from wifi the other day
[12:24:32] <humble_sea_bass> power your house with this one weird trick
[12:24:37] <humble_sea_bass> obama hates him
[12:25:13] <Loetmichel> hihi
[12:27:00] <Loetmichel> the strange thing is: the priciple behind this works
[12:28:06] <humble_sea_bass> it does work, but those annoying resonant battery chargers are crazy inefficient
[12:28:21] <Loetmichel> i remember a veriofied story that a "garden house" community in germany used the power output of a 150kW medum wave radio transmitter to light their sheds/houses ;-)
[12:28:30] <MrHindsight> http://translate.google.com/#nl/en/hihi
[12:29:04] <Loetmichel> just put a fluoroescent tube on the ceiling, some wire to the ground and some wire to the roof... -> voilla, fre light ;-)
[12:30:16] <Loetmichel> ... worked until the radio station disocered that teir spread in one direction was worse than a legal cb-transmitter ;-)
[12:30:33] <archivist> I think a trip to court was threatened in the uk for the shed light trick
[12:31:20] <MrHindsight> yeah the FCC here has lots of regulations on how receivers cab radiate more power than intentional transmitters
[12:31:28] <MrHindsight> cab/can
[12:31:53] <humble_sea_bass> you guys ever get to make a crystal radio??
[12:32:30] <MrHindsight> it's all we had until tubes were invented
[12:32:39] <Loetmichel> humble_sea_bass:in my pre-school years, yes ;-)
[12:33:20] <humble_sea_bass> my dad and I made one when I was a kid, the whole no batteries thing threw me for a loop
[12:33:49] <Loetmichel> MrHindsight: german "hihi" more like [chuckle]
[12:34:56] <MrHindsight> Loetmichel: I was wondering so I checked with google translate, only the Dutch was translated as a laugh
[12:36:02] <MrHindsight> TeeHee I guess in English LOL
[13:28:40] <IchGuckLive> have a nice sunday it it still is BYE
[13:31:14] <XXCoder> penny power that would cost a pretty penny
[13:53:58] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140427-make-your-own-3d-printed-microscopes-for-as-little-as-2-dolloar.html
[13:54:35] <XXCoder> yeah saw it. awesome.
[13:56:45] <MrHindsight> Yoda heads with microscopes for eyes
[13:59:55] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: oh differwnt one
[13:59:58] <XXCoder> awesome
[14:05:33] <Loetmichel> hmm, it seems that i eat MUCH to much babybels... thats the third candle made of tuna cans, babybel covers and toilet paper as a wick in as many weeks... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14856 ;-)
[14:08:26] <somenewguy_shp> huh, so i am trying to set up my 4th axis, is it possible to set up an axis as always homed and w/o rotational limit from he .ini file? is that the right way of doing it?
[14:09:03] <ChuangTzu> Loetmichel: nice keyboard
[14:09:15] <ChuangTzu> are those e-liquids?
[14:09:24] <JesusAlos> hi
[14:09:27] <Loetmichel> yes
[14:10:47] <somenewguy_shp> are the specific info on how the .ini file works not contained in the user manual pdf?
[14:37:02] <jthornton> no, it is in the Integrators manual
[14:41:19] * jthornton just now checks to see if somenewguy_shp is still here
[14:48:47] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307854
[14:48:53] <JesusAlos> I have this error
[14:49:01] <JesusAlos> but don't know why
[14:49:13] <JesusAlos> any idea please?
[14:49:56] <MrHindsight> missing a tool change
[14:50:57] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: does the g-code call for a tool change or did you just randomly get that error?
[14:53:55] <JesusAlos> there no are call to tool change in my gcode
[14:54:09] <MrHindsight> somenewguy_shp: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html
[14:54:47] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: does it happen every time you reach that point in the program?
[14:56:07] <JesusAlos> Approximately think yes, but not sure because in the program are about 18000 lines
[14:56:27] <JesusAlos> and I don't see at the moment when happens
[14:57:15] <MrHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc/emc2/emc2/emc2/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/27750-getting-qneed-tool-prepared-txx-for-toolchangeq
[15:04:01] <jthornton> JesusAlos, search your G code for M6
[15:05:26] <somenewguy_shp> oh man MrHindsight thanks
[15:05:32] <somenewguy_shp> but i broke it haha
[15:06:26] <somenewguy_shp> http://pastebin.com/wMXB7VaA
[15:06:33] <somenewguy_shp> anythign jump out at you there?
[15:06:58] <somenewguy_shp> I think i got the ini right but hal is the issue. I re-ran my step conf to a dummy config, and copy-pasted the axis 3 info into my existing hal
[15:07:35] <JesusAlos> I don't have M6 in my gcode. I delete it and do the same
[15:07:43] <somenewguy_shp> the ini I setup from an online example and somequick maths, which seem right, wholey hell is that lil guy fast
[15:07:47] <somenewguy_shp> nice to have so little friction lol
[15:08:29] <jthornton> JesusAlos, what version are you running?
[15:09:32] <JesusAlos> 2.6.0
[15:10:07] <JesusAlos> 2.6.0-pre0-5409-ge66e5c9
[15:10:29] <JesusAlos> but happens too in 2.5
[15:10:33] <JesusAlos> I try it
[15:12:05] <JesusAlos> there are other problem in the file. I don't sure if is related with the same issue
[15:12:23] <JesusAlos> the machine stops suddenly
[15:12:39] <JesusAlos> whitout gcode order
[15:13:09] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307856
[15:13:30] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307857
[15:14:05] <JesusAlos> I put images because is more easy explain to me
[15:20:09] <somenewguy_shp> ok I can't get this to work at all, that error mesage is way too cryptic for mre
[15:20:26] <somenewguy_shp> I might just have to unplug the Y axis and plug the A in ther and fudge it for today
[15:28:29] <Tom_itx> what sizes come standard in a metric spade drill set?
[15:28:43] <Tom_itx> since they aren't really sold here...
[15:29:27] <humble_sea_bass> never seen those in metric
[15:29:39] <humble_sea_bass> just in freedom units
[15:30:08] <Tom_itx> british still use brace and bits?
[15:32:04] <humble_sea_bass> looks like 10 13 16 19 22 25
[15:32:18] <Tom_itx> yep, found the same on ebay
[15:32:30] <XXCoder> holy crap. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=4165
[15:32:39] <Connor> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PKE-Pro-Spec-Bosch-Selfcut-Speed/dp/B009JTLH0A/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1398629700&sr=8-33&keywords=paddle+bits
[15:32:44] <XXCoder> microengineering via cnc tiny robots
[15:34:31] <humble_sea_bass> fostner bits are better than spades
[15:35:04] <Tom_itx> i knwo
[15:35:10] <Tom_itx> someone was asking...
[15:35:47] <humble_sea_bass> be sure to wag your finger at them then
[15:44:43] <somenewguy_shp> SHAZZAM! one extra 0, and I ahve a4th axis
[15:47:05] <humble_sea_bass> thanks zero
[15:50:20] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: ping
[16:01:07] <ChuangTzu> Jymmm: hey
[16:01:20] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Guess what I found?
[16:01:33] <ChuangTzu> a kg of gold?
[16:01:42] <ChuangTzu> :S
[16:01:46] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Not even in my wet dreams!
[16:01:53] <XXCoder> dilio of silver then
[16:02:33] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: PBW $20/lb = 30% Sodium Metasilicate
[16:02:47] <JesusAlos> please, attempt to found the list of all possibles text error messages in linuxcnc
[16:02:48] <Jymmm> $15-$20/lb
[16:03:04] <JesusAlos> remember there are a list, but not found it now
[16:03:32] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Red Devil TSP/90, $4.99/lb = 100% Sodium Metasilicate
[16:03:52] <ChuangTzu> pbw isn't only sodium metasilicate though, i don't think
[16:04:05] <ChuangTzu> the msds says it contains "silicates, phosphates, and surfactants"
[16:04:07] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: "other phosphates"
[16:04:21] <ChuangTzu> but it only lists the sodium metasilicate
[16:04:35] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: right, as the primary ingrediant
[16:04:48] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: It's basically industrial laundry soap
[16:05:08] <Jymmm> ...and concrete cleaner =)
[16:05:18] <ChuangTzu> it works great :)
[16:06:23] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: So $5/lb @ 100% makes it about $1.67/lb vs $15-$20/lb for PBW
[16:06:29] <ChuangTzu> so it's a powder, of which 30% is sodium metasilicate
[16:06:37] <ChuangTzu> what's the composition of the other 70%
[16:06:54] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Lie most things, inert ingrediants
[16:06:57] <Jymmm> like*
[16:07:04] <ChuangTzu> i'm not so sure that's the case
[16:07:04] <Jymmm> probably
[16:07:11] <ChuangTzu> because such a minimal amount is required
[16:07:18] <ChuangTzu> and it all dissolves
[16:07:32] <ChuangTzu> it's not like comet where it's mostly talcum powder
[16:07:35] <ChuangTzu> i hate that shit
[16:07:36] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Well PBM is 1/oz per gallon
[16:07:44] <Jymmm> PBW*
[16:08:10] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Yeah but comet would burn most ppl in the home if it was 100%
[16:08:56] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Look at household vinegar for example, it's only ~5%
[16:09:17] <ChuangTzu> yeah, but that's the concentration people use vinegar at :)
[16:09:23] <ChuangTzu> they put it on salads and stuff like that
[16:10:17] <Jymmm> I mean the gal jugs of white vineger/restraunt supply
[16:10:33] <ChuangTzu> also that's pretty much the optimum concentration for cleaning
[16:10:50] <ChuangTzu> comet is almost totally inert
[16:10:56] <ChuangTzu> it doesn't even do anything
[16:11:01] <ChuangTzu> it's a scam
[16:11:07] <Jymmm> Hey, I thorugh out enough empty perfectly reusable containers that I can make my own tyvm =)
[16:11:34] <Jymmm> throw*
[16:11:40] <ChuangTzu> the internet thinks that PBW is the same as oxyclean
[16:11:52] <Jymmm> CAS never lies =)
[16:12:27] <ChuangTzu> but the MSDS only lists 30% of the composition :S
[16:13:06] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: If there were more toxic ingrediants, I suspect the MSDS would list them
[16:13:24] <ChuangTzu> sure, but just because they aren't toxic, doesn't mean they aren't part of the cleaning power
[16:14:13] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Maybe, but I'd tke a chance on $5 before $20 =)
[16:14:45] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Plus a couple of brew forums mention it too
[16:15:57] <ChuangTzu> yeah, i mean your end goal isn't very critical
[16:16:02] <ChuangTzu> try something and see if it's clean
[16:16:05] <ChuangTzu> and if not, try again :)
[16:16:32] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Yeah, a 1LB bag should last forever
[16:17:37] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2012/11/super-charge-your-oxiclean.html
[16:21:01] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: There's your 100% =)
[16:22:20] <XXCoder> "For a chelator, use citric acid. You can get it in a 5 pound bag dirt cheap from Amazon (search: spicy world)."
[16:22:57] <Jymmm> Goto any winery and get citric acid in 50lb bag cheap =)
[16:23:30] <humble_sea_bass> thanks zerouse citric acid instead of TSP?
[16:23:58] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: TSP is not available now.
[16:24:13] <Jymmm> TriSodiumPhosphate.
[16:25:10] <Deejay> gn8
[16:25:14] <Jymmm> citric acid is still nasty stuff though, should use a repirator
[16:25:20] <Jymmm> GN9 Deejay
[16:29:04] <humble_sea_bass> i just take carboys from the office and then don't wash them and bring em back, let the polands spring ppl deal with it
[16:29:26] <Jymmm> lol
[16:30:01] <humble_sea_bass> starsan is almost too much work for me. every time i make beer i feel i am doing nothing but washing dishes, but more annoying
[16:30:57] * Jymmm notes: Don't drink beer from humble_sea_bass
[16:31:12] <Jymmm> ;)
[16:46:04] <humble_sea_bass> fyi: http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/LE/photo-614-3.jpg
[16:47:20] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: DUH, everybody knows that
[16:47:42] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: It's called a smartphone!
[16:48:00] <humble_sea_bass> but did you google doctors that remove microchips
[16:48:15] <XXCoder> lol
[16:48:44] <somenewguy_shp> where can i find a primer on using my new A axis?
[16:48:47] <somenewguy_shp> feedrates are very confusing
[16:49:41] <XXCoder> is there tutorials on how to set design up and cnc machine parameters? I keep running into "out of bounds" type errors
[16:53:59] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: http://pesn.com/2009/12/16/9501595_another_chip_in_Boyce_shoulder/
[16:56:08] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Just becasue you think they are out to get you, doesn't mean they're not! Not like the the NSA is recording all email and phones calls or anything <grin>
[16:56:50] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: All those conspiracy theory wackos weren't so crazy after all =)
[16:57:08] <humble_sea_bass> just cuz they are right doesn't mean they're not nuts
[16:57:31] <Jymmm> You gotta be a lil crazy to survive in this world =)
[17:09:32] <MrHindsight> sodium hypochlorite, followed by titratable iodine,then ClO2 gas in solution (5NaClO2 +4H+===> 4ClO2 (g) + 5NaCl + 2H2O), then phosphoric acid and dodecylbenzene sulfonic acid
[17:11:45] <MrHindsight> then flame treat the inside of the container to close any pores that may have developed over time
[17:14:55] <ChuangTzu> flame treat the inside of the HDPE?
[17:16:00] <MrHindsight> we do it to raise the surface energy before printing but it will also sanitize and close small fractures
[17:21:51] <XXCoder> how many cnc machinists are also beer brewers?
[17:31:35] <JesusAlos> any body use gmoccapy interface?
[17:32:07] <JesusAlos> why must use axis or gmoccapy?
[17:32:47] <JesusAlos> is just for taste reason?
[17:32:53] <humble_sea_bass> just use glass
[17:32:58] <humble_sea_bass> pro-tip
[17:33:14] <humble_sea_bass> 100% of engineers and machinists are beer brewers
[17:33:21] <humble_sea_bass> some don't know iot yet, but they are
[17:33:30] <humble_sea_bass> it is about process
[17:33:48] <XXCoder> lol
[17:37:04] <JesusAlos> thanks for your sutil explanation
[17:41:19] <JesusAlos> About this issue "Need tool prepared -Txx- for toolchange" the I mentioned late,
[17:41:37] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307854
[17:42:08] <JesusAlos> only delete the command M6 in final code
[17:42:58] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/GRZxMsVA
[17:43:50] <JesusAlos> the strange is command M6 is on line 18340 of file
[17:44:01] <JesusAlos> but the error appear in line 4500 aprox
[17:44:53] <JesusAlos> so when I remove M6 the problem fix
[17:45:04] <JesusAlos> strange?
[17:45:08] <XXCoder> other imge at imagebin lol http://imagebin.org/307852
[17:53:10] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: how many times is there an M6 in that file?
[17:54:02] <JesusAlos> 2 times
[17:54:18] <JesusAlos> in heather "T0 M6"
[17:54:26] <JesusAlos> and in the end "M6
[17:55:57] <JesusAlos> 2 problems happens:
[17:56:09] <JesusAlos> 1 appear "Need tool prepared -Txx- for toolchange" message error
[17:56:45] <JesusAlos> 2 the machine stop several lines after the message
[17:57:07] <JesusAlos> whit out error at stop
[17:58:02] <JesusAlos> I can pass the gcode if some body want to try
[18:08:39] <cradek> you must have a T before each M6
[18:09:06] <JesusAlos> is a file auto-generated by cambam
[18:09:49] <cradek> then cadman has a bug
[18:11:03] <JesusAlos> Why appear the error before read M6 line?
[18:19:40] <PetefromTn_> Been milling on these scope rails today. So far so good...
[18:20:06] <PetefromTn_> I am liking this little 60 degree dovetail cutter it is TINY at only .375 diameter...
[18:20:25] <PetefromTn_> Mics out at .395 diamter so much for accurate grinding I guess.
[18:20:47] <PetefromTn_> It does seem to make a nice clean cut tho and the accuracy of the dovetails is in the offset of course.
[18:21:24] <PetefromTn_> Once I get this thing finished and scotchbrited I will maybe post some pictures of it if you guys are interested in seeing it.
[18:21:32] <PetefromTn_> There is some bad news tho.
[18:22:05] <PetefromTn_> The fellow I am making these for has a NEW version of the same rifle and APPARENTLY the dovetail surface of the receiver is much shorter than the one I designed for.
[18:22:17] <PetefromTn_> SO I am gonna have to REDESIGN it to be short for that gun.
[18:22:21] <PetefromTn_> SUcks
[18:22:36] <JesusAlos> gn
[18:22:37] <Tom_itx> so you got 2 models now
[18:22:46] <JesusAlos> thank
[18:23:03] <PetefromTn_> But I was looking at the ones I already made and it seems like I can just change the shape of the base a little and lose the vertical bit and arrive at a working part.
[18:23:11] <PetefromTn_> Yeah now I got two models LOL
[18:23:43] <PetefromTn_> It is just frustrating because I HAD the program working for this one pretty good and I was hoping to just switch seamlessly to the new gun without too much changes.
[18:23:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh well
[18:23:53] <PetefromTn_> It is not that terribly different.
[18:24:03] <PetefromTn_> Waiting on the customer to APPROVE the idea for the new one
[18:24:17] <PetefromTn_> Then I will go ahead and change the program for it and cut one of those.
[18:24:44] <PetefromTn_> Anyone else making anything interesting with thier CNC's today???!!!! HMMmm ?
[18:24:46] <Tom_itx> nothing productive here.. been playin with my new phone
[18:25:04] <PetefromTn_> They are addictive huh.
[18:25:15] <PetefromTn_> I need to ante up and get a NEWER smartphone at some point.
[18:25:16] <Tom_itx> just getting what i need set up is all
[18:25:25] <PetefromTn_> Mine is kinda getting a bit long in the tooth.
[18:25:37] <Tom_itx> 2 databases for work and a screen full of apps
[18:25:41] <PetefromTn_> That can take some time for sure
[18:25:53] <PetefromTn_> getting everything to work and look the way you like.
[18:26:07] <PetefromTn_> loading all the apps you like.
[18:26:13] <PetefromTn_> Reloading all your contact info.
[18:26:25] <Tom_itx> was easier than on my old ipaq
[18:26:28] <PetefromTn_> Setting up your favorite porn websites...OOPS sorry LOL
[18:26:32] <PetefromTn_> JK
[18:27:24] <PetefromTn_> I have some apps I have grown to like that I will need to work on the new phone.
[18:31:05] <Tom_itx> so far i'm fairly impressed with the voice recognition on it
[18:31:53] <PetefromTn_> Does it recognize TExan slang LOL?
[18:33:15] <PetefromTn_> OOoooh man my wife made my FAVORITE Dinner tonight.
[18:33:27] <Tom_itx> i had the app for the datafile ready in ~3 hrs which included rewriting part of the host program to export the proper data format
[18:33:28] <PetefromTn_> We often go to Carrabba's Italian Grill
[18:33:41] <Tom_itx> and learning how the new app worked and importing it all
[18:33:48] <PetefromTn_> My favorite dish there is Spiedino Di mare...
[18:34:03] <PetefromTn_> She cooked it on the grill out back and made homemade Fettucini Alfredo.
[18:34:14] <PetefromTn_> DAMN IT IS GOOD
[19:15:35] <Duc> Hello
[19:19:41] <MrHindsight> How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? is a good voice recog test
[19:21:45] <Tom_itx> 100% accurate
[19:23:54] <Tom_itx> entering data like phone numbers it doesn't always get the separations right where they should be
[19:29:07] <gonzo_> eve peoples
[19:29:22] <gonzo_> anyone avail could give me some advice on mesaflash??
[19:30:05] <MrHindsight> just ask
[19:30:50] <Tom_itx> MrHindsight, it did leave off the '?' at the end
[19:31:21] <gonzo_> trying to test with a 7i90, the manual says use a --port param, but mesaflash complains that this is not a recognised option
[19:33:41] <gonzo_> trying without the port I get an error that 7I90EPP board not found
[19:34:10] <gonzo_> but without the port I'm nit sure how it knows where to look, parallel port of pic ??
[19:34:14] <gonzo_> PCI
[19:36:22] <MrHindsight> the Mesa PCI driver finds the other PCI Mesa cards, not sure if the 7i90 is special since it's new
[19:37:43] <MrHindsight> sorry confused that with another board
[19:38:00] <gonzo_> I have the mesaflash from the latest 7i90 sw, previously there was nothing in the 7i90.zip under linux utils
[19:38:06] <MrHindsight> gonzo_: are you using the LPT port to connect to it?
[19:38:24] <gonzo_> yes LPT
[19:38:47] <MrHindsight> you can find the LPT address by LSPCI-vv
[19:39:05] <gonzo_> I previously managed to write to the flash using the dos utils. Now booted in linux and want to varify that I still have comms
[19:39:46] <MrHindsight> sudo lspci -vv
[19:40:30] <MrHindsight> LPT on a PCI card or integrated in the mainboard?
[19:40:38] <gonzo_> integrated
[19:40:46] <gonzo_> what should I look gerp for
[19:40:49] <gonzo_> grep
[19:42:14] <gonzo_> but pretty sure it is at the default address, which from mem is the 0x378 as in the mesaflash docs example
[19:42:37] <MrHindsight> does your BIOS let you choose the port location?
[19:44:04] <gonzo_> probably
[19:44:14] <MrHindsight> i forget the syntax and I'm not on a Linuxcnc box right now
[19:48:21] <MrHindsight> mesaflash --device 7I90epp --port 0x378 --write FPGAFILE.BIT
[19:48:48] <MrHindsight> mesaflash --device 7I90epp --port 0x378 --verify FPGAFILE.BIT
[19:49:34] <gonzo_> the example says that without a cammond I should just get info
[19:50:14] <gonzo_> mesaflash --device 7I90epp says that no 7I90epp found
[19:50:20] <MrHindsight> did that work without a command?
[19:50:34] <gonzo_> mesaflash --device 7I90epp --port 0x378 says that --port is not a valid option
[19:51:54] <MrHindsight> If mesaflash is run with no command line arguments it will print usage information
[19:52:34] <MrHindsight> $ mesaflash
[19:53:09] <gonzo_> that just prompts for --help
[19:54:40] <gonzo_> by useage, do you mean the useage of the mesaflash prog?
[19:54:47] <MrHindsight> yes
[19:54:59] <MrHindsight> not a debug report
[19:55:08] <gonzo_> sorry, I read thatas telling me what cards it found
[19:55:19] <MrHindsight> yeah, can be confusing
[19:55:47] <MrHindsight> try a verify
[19:56:17] <gonzo_> I'm an embedded programmer. but the PC lingo ia lost on me
[19:56:46] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/307887 Still needs some more scotch briting and deburring but whaddya guys think?
[19:57:20] <gonzo_> I tried verify with the flash image I burnt in with dos. That fails to recognise the --port bit. Without the port, it fails to find the 7I90epp
[20:04:02] <gonzo_> Must get some kip, it's getting on for 2am here. I'll check the history for any replies.
[20:04:17] <MrHindsight> pcw might be around later
[20:04:59] <gonzo_> Thanks, will keep an eye open in the morning
[20:07:07] <zeeshan> lots of cast iron machining today
[20:16:09] <zeeshan> started like this
[20:16:16] <zeeshan> removed as much material with the plasma
[20:18:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/MAVPvV2.jpg
[20:18:38] <zeeshan> machined
[20:18:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oesemQf.jpg
[20:22:21] <XXCoder> .. now thats woody arces. :P https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10246280_256459057891614_2657200800643611319_n.jpg
[21:18:48] <humble_sea_bass> a colt 45 and two zig zags
[21:19:16] <jdh> what do all rappers need, alex.
[21:19:17] <XXCoder> zeeshan: nice red oxide coating heh
[21:19:40] <XXCoder> and I see you figured how to attach screw err plate?
[21:19:41] <zeeshan> nots not oxide coating
[21:19:49] <zeeshan> itrs just paint
[21:19:50] <zeeshan> lol
[21:19:59] <zeeshan> really shitty paint
[21:20:00] <zeeshan> yea man
[21:20:16] <XXCoder> not not odixe coating = !!(oxide coating) = oxide coating. cool
[21:20:23] <XXCoder> ;)
[21:21:05] <PetefromTn_Andro> Damn the machine worked nice for me today. Very pleased ....
[21:21:11] <XXCoder> I'm sorely tempted to depost some of my car savings buy that great rail kit thats on sale. but no I need car
[21:21:40] <jdh> I saved/sold enough to buy a shiny new 6040 but now I can't part with teh cash.
[21:21:54] <jdh> I could almost buy a real lathe instead of some chinese router junk
[21:22:35] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro: waiting for my new apron !
[21:22:45] <jdh> so what do we think of trek bikes? value for the components?
[21:22:54] <jdh> <wfc>
[21:23:06] <PetefromTn_Andro> Did you go ahead and order that angle plate?
[21:25:53] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro: no
[21:25:55] <zeeshan> im making my own
[21:25:59] <zeeshan> and i did a different way
[21:27:14] <PetefromTn_Andro> Cool.
[21:27:23] <PetefromTn_Andro> Did ha
[21:27:33] <zeeshan> sec
[21:27:55] <PetefromTn_Andro> Ya see my finished scope rail I posted earlier?
[21:28:02] <jdh> url?
[21:28:40] <PetefromTn_Andro> Its a imagebin posting I am on my phone now cannot get it too easy.
[21:29:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> Posted it about half hour ago.
[21:29:12] <zeeshan> no i didnt
[21:29:18] <zeeshan> lemme cehck
[21:29:27] <zeeshan> holy shit
[21:29:29] <zeeshan> thats proper
[21:31:06] <jdh> hmm.I could do that to my apron
[21:31:28] <ChuangTzu> whoa, that's not the rifle i expected to see
[21:31:59] <ChuangTzu> don't see many or any of those
[21:32:19] <PetefromTn_Andro> What did you expect to see?
[21:32:25] <zeeshan> i dont know
[21:32:26] <zeeshan> haha
[21:32:28] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbQdEEFF5Cc
[21:32:29] <ChuangTzu> anything but that
[21:32:29] <zeeshan> ^
[21:32:30] <ChuangTzu> heh
[21:32:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/MAVPvV2.jpg
[21:32:38] <zeeshan> pete ^
[21:32:46] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oesemQf.jpg
[21:33:16] <PetefromTn_Andro> Hey that's looking pretty nice man.
[21:33:49] <PetefromTn_Andro> It is an air rifle a Feinwerkbau P70 made in Germany.
[21:34:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> Wtf is that first picture?
[21:35:02] <zeeshan> the back side
[21:35:05] <zeeshan> of the apron
[21:35:22] <zeeshan> thanks man
[21:40:20] <PetefromTn_Andro> LOL when I opened that first picture on my smartphone all I got was the top left hand corner at first. It looked like someone had a glove on with a bloodied finger wrapped in a plastic baggie hehehe...wtf is that in the top left?
[21:40:51] <zeeshan> hahahah
[21:40:54] <zeeshan> thats my plastic bag
[21:40:56] <zeeshan> full of pb blaster
[21:41:04] <zeeshan> i drop stuff in it
[21:41:09] <zeeshan> to soat it in
[21:41:20] <zeeshan> *soak it into rusted parts
[21:42:22] <PetefromTn_Andro> PB blaster is good stuff. Use it all the time.
[21:42:36] <jdh> smells godawful though
[21:42:52] <zeeshan> yep
[21:42:56] <zeeshan> thats why i keep it in a zip loc bag
[21:42:59] <zeeshan> so it doesnt stink the whole garage
[21:43:00] <zeeshan> haha
[21:43:10] <PetefromTn_Andro> I picked up that Fowler depth Mic set yesterday 0-6 inches. It is in great shape. Very pleased with it.
[21:43:17] <zeeshan> nice
[21:44:01] <PetefromTn_Andro> I gotta tell ya it sure is nice to make thing's with quality accurate measuring tools LOL.
[21:44:10] <zeeshan> yea man
[21:44:40] <XXCoder> nice
[21:45:25] <PetefromTn_Andro> I fucked around with the Chinese POS led edge finder for far too long. Got the starrett edgefinder now and its NO BS anymore. Just gets it right on every time and repeats amazingly consisntent.
[21:49:28] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well gotta hit the sack guys goodnight.