#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-26

[04:41:48] <ubu-> hi all
[04:51:43] <ubu-> hello MrHindsight
[08:10:39] <Deejay> tag
[08:23:36] <Tom_itx> ur it
[09:01:41] <Tom_itx> a bit OT but does anybody know a good database tool for android for access files?
[09:08:40] <archivist> export to a sensible format first to avoid access format
[09:09:51] <Tom_itx> my old ipaq did that on import
[09:10:30] <Tom_itx> i have the flat file in dbase still but put it in access to get it to the mobile device
[09:14:11] <archivist> csv
[09:23:51] <Tom_itx> may look at queryz
[09:33:34] <MrTrick> can anyone recommend a gcode-over-serial controller like the grbl, that also can drive a servo? I only need two axes, but I need a servo as well.
[09:33:49] <MrTrick> (and I need proper motion planning, so the eibotboard won't do)
[09:37:02] <Tom_itx> serial would be rather slow
[09:39:01] <MrTrick> In practice it's not, actually. I've used a grbl before for a previous version of the project, worked fine.
[09:39:16] <MrTrick> Unfortunately, the grbl software has no support for driving servos.
[09:39:41] <MrTrick> (and in that project I needed a whole separate board just for servo control)
[09:40:05] <pcw_home> add servo support to grbl...
[09:40:17] <MrTrick> That would be yak shaving.
[09:41:44] <pcw_home> why? if grbl is otherwise OK it should be trivial
[09:43:19] <MrTrick> because the software is quite complex, and there is apparently difficulty in making it fit the constraints of the (atmega328) hardware already.
[09:44:04] <pcw_home> encoder/pwm is not much bigger the stepgens if at all
[09:44:13] <pcw_home> bigger than
[09:46:05] <pcw_home> on the other hand I would not choose a ATmega for anything current
[09:47:06] <pcw_home> port HAL/MOTION to a STM32F303...
[09:49:08] <pcw_home> 2x 3 phase PWMs 2x encoder interfaces 4x 5 MS/S A-D 72 MHz Arm with FP ~$3.00
[09:51:02] <MrTrick> pcw_home: What are you optimising, though?
[09:51:52] <archivist> price
[09:51:58] <MrTrick> price of what though?
[09:52:13] <MrTrick> For most jobs, I charge $85 for one hour of my time. I'm not saving anyone money by spending hours and hours faffing about in software when I could just buy an extra controller for the servo.
[09:52:51] <MrTrick> It's only my desire for a clean design that makes me wonder whether an alternative to the grbl exists.
[09:52:52] <archivist> use linuxcnc on a pc and stop faffing about with toys like grbl
[09:54:09] <MrTrick> actually, this is not for any kind of machine tool. I just happen to need stepper motors and motion planning etc. Other than the need for servo control, grbl is in fact overkill, featurewise.
[09:55:05] <MrTrick> (and I wasn't aware of another CNC-related channel, I know #linuxcnc isn't the best place for the discussion)
[09:55:40] <archivist> the most configurable thing is linuxcnc which seems a requirement
[09:56:58] <Tom_itx> memento looks quite good too
[09:57:16] <Tom_itx> fwiw
[10:01:35] <pcw_home> memento?
[10:04:48] <Tom_itx> sql tool
[10:04:59] <Tom_itx> was asing earlier...
[10:05:26] <Tom_itx> 2 different threads
[10:08:26] <pcw_home> ahh android database
[10:09:13] <Tom_itx> yep
[10:09:18] <Tom_itx> know of a better one?
[10:09:29] <pcw_home> no
[10:12:39] <pcw_home> looks like sqlite is a standard built-in
[10:31:04] <archivist> beware of junk http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251488015366?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[10:31:58] <archivist> kid over the road got that as a speed controller, note the red wire nearest, that is - the black is +
[10:32:41] <XXCoder> mking sure that I remembered this correctly - red is "hot" or -
[10:32:48] <XXCoder> black is +, green is ground
[10:33:20] <archivist> pcb is marked - but it has the red wire
[10:33:51] <archivist> luckily it did not let the smoke out
[10:34:23] <XXCoder> ok. I definitely need to review standard coding before I wire up my cnc electric system
[10:34:37] <XXCoder> I dont want to redo if I get it wrong
[10:34:54] <archivist> the standards or ok just the chinese have yet to read them
[10:35:08] <XXCoder> they dont give two rice about it
[10:35:39] <XXCoder> I have seen ethernet cat5 wires with 2 different pair color. like purple
[10:35:48] <XXCoder> was rom chinese product
[10:35:51] <XXCoder> from
[10:36:07] <archivist> the kid expected that to control his dc motor.....wtf
[10:39:23] <XXCoder> phase is what? + or -? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring
[10:41:01] <archivist> this is DC no phase involved
[10:41:22] <XXCoder> really? my powerbox for cnc has + and -
[10:41:35] <XXCoder> lemme look again
[10:42:20] <XXCoder> it has volt adjust screw, 3 +v, 3 -v, ground N and L
[10:42:42] <zq> what's wrong with grbl?
[10:44:47] <archivist> stepper only, small set of gcode, limited number of axes etc
[10:46:49] <XXCoder> nice http://www.hobbycncaustralia.com/images/Instructions/11WireRelay/11aWireRelay.jpg
[10:51:05] <XXCoder> http://www.hobbycncaustralia.com/Instructions/iI11wirerelay.htm I wonder where I could buy some of those parts
[10:53:23] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[10:54:02] <IchGuckLive> B9 has been somthing spezial today i got 50 Abo at youtube 10times usesl days
[10:55:58] <XXCoder> hey ich
[10:58:02] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[10:58:45] <XXCoder> heh I guess I still need to get more stuff. like crimped connectors
[10:59:06] <XXCoder> and somehow something to offset controller off surface so it dont let magic smoke out
[11:00:10] <IchGuckLive> on the tb6560
[11:00:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:00:28] <IchGuckLive> i did modyfi all of them
[11:00:39] <IchGuckLive> the red ones are crazy
[11:01:02] <XXCoder> lots cheap ones http://www.ebay.com/bhp/emergency-stop-switch
[11:01:04] <IchGuckLive> blue ones got better but still a linit at speed
[11:01:26] <IchGuckLive> you shoudt go for 2USD L297 for testing firast
[11:01:48] <IchGuckLive> there you can break parts and not loosing money
[11:03:08] <XXCoder> what is those standoff parts called? screws that step up circuits off surface
[11:03:58] <IchGuckLive> pl distances
[11:04:25] <IchGuckLive> there are lots of with tread out in in out out out in in
[11:04:32] <IchGuckLive> or simply hole
[11:04:57] <XXCoder> heh for testing I might just go for cardboard box. not very conductive.
[11:06:00] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3pcsx-L298N-double-dc-motor-driving-module-steering-gear-drive-plat-/261122141845?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccc17ae95
[11:06:14] <IchGuckLive> this shoudt be your testing drivers
[11:07:10] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: where are you located in the north hemisphare
[11:07:13] <XXCoder> I has http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[11:07:20] <XXCoder> washington state
[11:08:22] <IchGuckLive> be carfull on that board power off all systems befor touching otherwise you got realy fast smoking parts
[11:08:35] <XXCoder> ok
[11:10:22] <IchGuckLive> how far are you from seatel ?
[11:10:42] <XXCoder> seattle maybe 1.5 to 2 hours
[11:10:49] <XXCoder> dending on traffic
[11:10:57] <XXCoder> depending
[11:11:06] <IchGuckLive> oh the matec cccoperation got a open weekend on cnc mashining
[11:12:07] <IchGuckLive> in total 17 employers on call
[11:12:23] <XXCoder> cool :)
[11:13:04] <IchGuckLive> seattle got 5 hobby electronic part shops you migt consider to take a off friday ride
[11:13:40] <XXCoder> probably. not soon though, my car has a failing tranmission, I don't want to risk it
[11:16:24] <IchGuckLive> washington state has probable more worse public transporting then the USA itself
[11:16:44] <XXCoder> depends on area. seattle got great bus system
[11:16:54] <XXCoder> while most pother regions its not good at all
[11:17:02] <IchGuckLive> here in germany fast and ultra fast trains are running in 30min tackting
[11:17:24] <XXCoder> yeah thats why I own a car, bus system sucks
[11:18:00] <IchGuckLive> as we all told you start as low as you can a pime CNC is a CNC no matter what
[11:18:10] <IchGuckLive> and then spend money on your need
[11:18:48] <IchGuckLive> go make some money with it a DVD laser burner can give you a large professional CNC if you find good people
[11:19:04] <IchGuckLive> also a 3D printer is a gool for people like you
[11:19:24] <IchGuckLive> get ypoour ass moving and build a chees cutter
[11:19:42] <IchGuckLive> an 50-80 usd range
[11:19:53] <IchGuckLive> $
[11:19:58] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[11:20:21] <humble_sea_bass> as you get better, everything you own starts to "suck"
[11:20:42] <XXCoder> lol
[11:21:17] <humble_sea_bass> its a vice with a C and a vise with an S on your wallet
[11:21:29] <IchGuckLive> humble_sea_bass: its a plesure to get more and better parts as time goes on
[11:21:59] <humble_sea_bass> it sure is, I just need one more fix man and I'l be level, just one more
[11:22:12] <humble_sea_bass> a bunch of addicts
[11:22:15] <XXCoder> yeah I hope to be able to uypgrade my cnc evenually
[11:23:06] <humble_sea_bass> you will, it is inevitable if you enjoy it
[11:23:13] <IchGuckLive> on me in 1981 it has been a Drill on large electronic on off controles knowone thout about it will end up as it now is
[11:23:36] <IchGuckLive> 1978 firs NC controleed unit at Boing
[11:24:04] <IchGuckLive> and now almost 2000 mashines a week worldwide to privat households
[11:24:21] <IchGuckLive> 3D printer getting to normal live
[11:24:31] <IchGuckLive> -> items
[11:24:52] <XXCoder> hipser, got cnc thing before it was cool ;)
[11:24:57] <XXCoder> hpster
[11:25:01] <XXCoder> hipster :P
[11:25:04] <IchGuckLive> kids in Kindergarden going OOp on LEGO mindstorm
[11:25:38] <IchGuckLive> no basic no programming Kinetics all over
[11:25:56] <IchGuckLive> 5year old doing master App programming
[11:26:13] <humble_sea_bass> heh, maybe over there
[11:26:24] <humble_sea_bass> over heere they just try to eat the blocks
[11:26:33] <IchGuckLive> the world is changing im out on Augest this year after 45 hard years
[11:26:55] <humble_sea_bass> where are you retiring to
[11:27:08] <IchGuckLive> worldwide
[11:27:16] <IchGuckLive> O.o
[11:27:47] <witnit> Anyone interested in giving me a quick value on this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/151286262921?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[11:27:47] <IchGuckLive> if all goes wright im off this chanell for maybe livetime
[11:27:53] <witnit> opinions are good :)
[11:28:31] <IchGuckLive> this is a hard working mashine
[11:29:06] <IchGuckLive> you need to see it the first 5-7 inches mormaly are as hard used as they go off value
[11:30:49] <MrHindsight> Item location: Mount Carmel, it could only be better if it was from the chocolate factory
[11:31:55] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: it might be the vmashine for the mold items
[11:32:18] <IchGuckLive> witnit: as you se some values on the mashine it migt as i thought
[11:33:03] <IchGuckLive> 7inches has been treaded very hard Diameter
[11:34:00] <witnit> Im sure there are people tossing these things out, with sub spindles even, but I dont know anything about them so I wasnt sure the machine is more trouble then its work in it.
[11:34:01] <IchGuckLive> as they corrected it and the new mototr is also a hint on that as you miove over the value it might come stuck and break somthing
[11:34:31] <XXCoder> witnit: if nothing else you could get scrap after grabbing good parts and try get same model
[11:35:11] <witnit> yeah, i was just kind of hoping to get a max bid if someone had an idea
[11:36:12] <XXCoder> wow TB6560 kit I bought comes with surpising good docs
[11:36:25] <IchGuckLive> witnit: good info there is the GM repart of the 805 sinuvic inside
[11:36:44] <IchGuckLive> that means the 7i77 will drive this thing
[11:37:11] <MrHindsight> witnit: anything under $1k is a deal even if it ends up being scrap, unless you have to pay a rigger $1500
[11:37:47] <MrHindsight> witnit: any more and it depends on what shape it is in
[11:38:39] <witnit> I just was hoping I could slap a new relay in it and turn it over, if it needs more, do a conversion for linuxcnc and then sell
[11:39:35] <witnit> I just didnt see any them as worth much with such little options, no subspindle and no live tooling, but then again I still no little about them
[11:39:37] <witnit> :)
[11:39:49] <IchGuckLive> i think the problem is not the electronic its the mechanical fail that is now out of coustem consitteration
[11:40:05] <witnit> yeah
[11:40:34] <XXCoder> wha
[11:40:38] <XXCoder> cd comes with mach3
[11:40:51] <witnit> so maybe I think I will just wait and buy a big machine
[11:40:52] <XXCoder> isnt mach3 paid software
[11:41:13] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: not on 3axis
[11:41:17] <XXCoder> wit if youre skilled and has large shop you could make new parts I guess
[11:41:24] <XXCoder> I see
[11:41:40] <XXCoder> anyway I plan on using linuxcnc anyway
[11:41:41] <MrHindsight> not many people use Linux in China since they mostly use $2 copies of winders
[11:42:11] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: You got it wright
[11:42:22] <XXCoder> wright brothers ;)
[11:42:24] <IchGuckLive> dont pay the trillardees go free
[11:42:45] <IchGuckLive> and spam the world with adds
[11:43:58] <IchGuckLive> http://www.sicherheitstacho.eu/
[11:44:58] <IchGuckLive> this month 3mio hacks in the USA
[11:45:16] <IchGuckLive> china reporting only 1,1mio ;-)
[11:45:48] <IchGuckLive> noerth korea 60k i dident know thay had internel at all
[11:46:14] <IchGuckLive> its the little mans family trying to get XXX connected i guess O.O
[11:46:26] <MrHindsight> http://vimeo.com/82891325#at=8 disingenuous @ 1:00 Colored Ceramic 3D Printing
[11:47:08] <IchGuckLive> 25 hack attacks in the last minute
[11:47:35] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: you did one WA USA
[11:48:10] <humble_sea_bass> the colored sand epoxy 3d prints look decent, if off
[11:48:39] <IchGuckLive> humble_sea_bass: google Z150 printer
[11:48:48] <XXCoder> finally found one! http://www.hobbycncaustralia.com.au/images/Instructions/Nema23wire.JPG
[11:49:05] <XXCoder> finally. was wondering if I would ever find good picture of wiring
[11:49:11] <IchGuckLive> humble_sea_bass: google image Zprinter
[11:49:38] <MrHindsight> Zprinters are just powder + binder using thermal inkjet
[11:50:13] <MrHindsight> they don't even use virgin HP cartridges
[11:50:24] <humble_sea_bass> the Z printer is the one I saw
[11:50:58] <humble_sea_bass> there is a printing house here in NYC that is moving from 2d paper plots to offering 3d stuff for architects
[11:51:36] <humble_sea_bass> they used the machine to print weird helmets for a fashion show
[11:53:45] <MrHindsight> 300mm x 300mm x 300mm is what the architects asked for, but faster than FDM since they can't wait days for a model
[11:55:21] <MrHindsight> 5mm/minute in the Z axis does it in an hour with photopolymers
[11:55:30] <humble_sea_bass> they also seem to like the powder/epoxy look
[11:55:47] <humble_sea_bass> because it kind of looks like sandstone which nyc is full of
[11:56:43] <MrHindsight> photopolymer with actual sand should do it
[11:59:02] <MrHindsight> you then only need to have the printer cure the exterior shell of the model then bake it after to cure the core, so it ends up being a really fast process
[12:00:02] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130610-china-develops-worlds-largest-laser-3d-printer.html
[12:00:52] <humble_sea_bass> sear the outside to seal in the flavor
[12:00:57] <humble_sea_bass> noted
[12:01:02] <XXCoder> wow
[12:01:11] <humble_sea_bass> hi
[12:01:13] <humble_sea_bass> :/
[12:01:15] <humble_sea_bass> wow
[12:01:47] <MrHindsight> brunch time
[12:03:15] <MrHindsight> at some point the US manufacturers of 3D printers are going to get some import ban on Chinese units
[12:03:50] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130601-mit-researchers-build-silk-pavilion-using-biological-silkworm-3d-printer.html
[12:03:52] <MrHindsight> since they don't make anything practical for high volume
[12:03:55] <humble_sea_bass> i like this a lot
[12:04:44] <humble_sea_bass> didn't the SLS patents actually expire?
[12:05:10] <pcw_home> how about a cotton candy printer?
[12:05:12] <MrHindsight> combine the silk glands with those mini bots from the other day
[12:05:25] <humble_sea_bass> that would be cool as hell
[12:05:30] <XXCoder> look up candyfab
[12:05:31] <humble_sea_bass> little worm skateboards
[12:05:56] <MrHindsight> yeah, the main original one expired back in Feb or Jan
[12:06:24] <MrHindsight> but there are plenty more overlapping patents on SLS, that's how they play the game
[12:07:16] <humble_sea_bass> so when you buy an SLS printer most of the cost is profit for the Stratasys
[12:07:19] <MrHindsight> so what if the laser used to melt particles is out of patent, we have patents on how to move the laser, focus the laser, make the particles, spread the particles and on and on
[12:07:54] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140128-let-the-revolution-begin-key-3d-printing-patent-expires-today.html
[12:08:07] <PetefromTn_> Okay I am just about to toss my mill vise out the frackin' window here...
[12:08:07] <MrHindsight> oh yeah
[12:08:14] <humble_sea_bass> how can you patent basic optics
[12:08:23] <humble_sea_bass> add the word novel in front of it?
[12:08:41] <humble_sea_bass> Pete, are you on a ground floor
[12:08:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah unfortunately.
[12:08:52] <humble_sea_bass> and would you mind if I swung by right after
[12:08:52] <MrHindsight> from what I've seen 1:10 cost to build to sales price
[12:09:10] <PetefromTn_> why LOL
[12:09:33] <humble_sea_bass> (implication)I'll walk away with it
[12:09:37] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: inkjet can print precision lenses
[12:09:48] <MrHindsight> sorry misread that
[12:09:51] <PetefromTn_> I have been using this thing almost exclusively with sacrificial jaws and it hsa been okay.
[12:10:03] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: but they do
[12:10:12] <PetefromTn_> But now I need to use the hard jaws and some parallels and I am finding it is NOT flat or square...
[12:10:28] <PetefromTn_> Did not realize how bad it was until yesterday.
[12:11:03] <MrHindsight> why does a 500mm^3 gantry with a laser cost $330k?
[12:11:22] <MrHindsight> or the same with 8 $1K printheads?
[12:11:32] <humble_sea_bass> hah
[12:11:42] <humble_sea_bass> *amrican innovation*
[12:11:49] <humble_sea_bass> *joc creators*
[12:11:52] <humble_sea_bass> job
[12:11:55] <PetefromTn_> Really cannot afford to spend $500.00 plus on a Kurt but I am finding that when you buy one you don't have this kinda bullshit problems.
[12:11:58] <MrHindsight> yup
[12:12:39] <MrHindsight> I bought a couple of the Shars Kurt copies, they are fine
[12:12:46] <PetefromTn_> REALLY????
[12:12:58] <PetefromTn_> I have a Shars CNC vise and I am finding it is a Piece of shit.
[12:13:08] <PetefromTn_> which models do you have?
[12:13:44] <humble_sea_bass> Another effort from Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) would expand the protections for software patents by widening a transitional program created by the 2011 America Invents Act. The bill passed by the House last year originally contained a similar provision, but House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) pulled the measure amid heavy lobbying from opponents, including software giants like Microsoft and Apple.
[12:14:02] <MrHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/8139/6quot_690V_CNC_Milling_Machine_Vise_00004quot
[12:14:08] <humble_sea_bass> i love how my senator is always on somebodies pocket
[12:14:31] <PetefromTn_> Is the frackin' bed actually flat?
[12:14:48] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: mine are fine
[12:14:56] <PetefromTn_> Does the movable jaw lift when you clamp stuff?
[12:15:23] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to be able to buy two of those over ONE kurt but I am not wanting to get another piece of shit here.
[12:15:50] <PetefromTn_> You are the same guy as CaptainHindsight correct?
[12:15:52] <MrHindsight> not at all, I just notice a bit of oxidation if I leave the coolant over the weekend
[12:15:59] <MrHindsight> but it wipes right off
[12:16:14] <PetefromTn_> well that happens with ANY vise..
[12:16:19] <PetefromTn_> Kurt included.
[12:16:21] <MrHindsight> yes, just on a different puter
[12:16:46] <MrHindsight> I use 2 side by side in the Matsuura
[12:16:47] <PetefromTn_> Lemme ask you have you actually checked the vise with a quality DTI or on a surface plate?
[12:17:38] <PetefromTn_> Everywhere I read on Pro forums they all say the Chinese ones are JUNK including the shars it is nice to hear from someone who actually owns two of them...
[12:17:52] <PetefromTn_> I can tell you the cnc one I have is NOT flat or square.
[12:17:53] <MrHindsight> yes, I even used them to make parts for very high precision machines
[12:18:00] <MrHindsight> Shars is near me
[12:18:23] <MrHindsight> now some of the Shars stuff is junk
[12:18:51] <MrHindsight> but I've had no issues with either vise
[12:19:29] <MrHindsight> I have a 50 year old Palmgren that is a piece of junk
[12:19:48] <MrHindsight> came with a Bridgeport
[12:21:08] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: which one? http://www.shars.com/products/view/8140/6quot_660U_CNC_Milling_Machine_Vise_00004quot__ ?
[12:21:13] <PetefromTn_> Damn man now ya got me thinking here... You SWEAR to me that the vise is nice and flat and the fixed jaw is square to the bed and the movable jaw does not lift...
[12:21:43] <MrHindsight> those jaws fit very tight, no movement whatsoever
[12:21:43] <PetefromTn_> No not that one I have the older one they apparently do not sell anymore.
[12:22:11] <PetefromTn_> I think that CNC one you just linked to is a newer model.
[12:22:28] <PetefromTn_> Mine is red on the sides. Really not happy with it.
[12:22:53] <PetefromTn_> A couple weeks ago I was clamping something and making a part and then I noticed this little round thing on the table.
[12:23:11] <PetefromTn_> Turned out it was the freaking contact point for the angle lock had FALLEN OUT!!
[12:23:19] <MrHindsight> they come with a certificate now, they have the QC inspection measurements on a print
[12:23:21] <PetefromTn_> I have not contacted them about it yet.
[12:23:27] <MrHindsight> same for the surface plates
[12:23:55] <PetefromTn_> So if you take a quality DTI and run it across both beds left to right they are FLAT???
[12:24:05] <MrHindsight> mine are
[12:24:16] <PetefromTn_> and you have actually checked them...
[12:24:16] <MrHindsight> maybe I just got a good batch
[12:24:54] <MrHindsight> I've even made parts using them for the 5um repeatabilty printers
[12:25:00] <MrHindsight> so no issues here
[12:25:19] <PetefromTn_> and you have the 690V models.
[12:25:20] <MrHindsight> where are the threads about them? on cnczone?
[12:25:27] <PetefromTn_> no on PM.
[12:25:50] <PetefromTn_> Sure would be nice to get TWO matching vises that are decent for the price of a single Kurt.
[12:25:58] <MrHindsight> yes, 690V
[12:26:16] <PetefromTn_> Do the handles turn smoothly and are the screws machined nicely? Mine is NOT smooth and turns kinda wobbly a tad.
[12:26:18] <MrHindsight> I bought one to try and then went back for another
[12:26:38] <PetefromTn_> Is the second one bed precisely the same height as the first?
[12:26:54] <MrHindsight> I figured how bad can they be I can always use them as a work vise to just hold things
[12:27:17] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately mine is pretty bad.
[12:27:21] <PetefromTn_> NOT HAPPY..
[12:27:42] <MrHindsight> but mine worked out, now I can't say that if I got a 3rd that it might be a reject that they just sell as good
[12:27:50] <PetefromTn_> It does appear the newer ones you have are made much nicer they even look much nicer in the pictures.
[12:28:19] <MrHindsight> they rarely scrap parts in China, as you've noticed with the Bondo machine bases
[12:28:29] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah...
[12:28:41] <PetefromTn_> Do you find bondo in the vise bases?
[12:29:04] <MrHindsight> "Our newest V series vises can compete head-to-head with other popular brand's vise on the market and outperform in a highly demanding manufacturing environment. Improving on industry standards, 690V vise has the tightest tolerance on key specifications such as clamping repeatability, bed height, parrallelism between bedway and base, and perpendicularity between jaw plate and bedway and improvement to prevent jaw lifting on movable jaws.
[12:29:04] <MrHindsight> 690V is designed and manufactured to be the ultimate vise at an affordable price and back by lifetime limited warranty."
[12:29:19] <MrHindsight> they are all serial numbered
[12:29:28] <MrHindsight> so if you get a bad one return it
[12:30:18] <MrHindsight> I think they said that they started making these only about 1 year ago
[12:31:02] <PetefromTn_> Huh.. Nice to hear about warrantee but I wonder how good that warrantee is when you have a problem.
[12:31:15] <PetefromTn_> I bought this one about a year ago.
[12:31:23] <PetefromTn_> They no longer have it on their site.
[12:31:23] <MrHindsight> well it's just an hour drive for me
[12:31:42] <PetefromTn_> LOL maybe you can pick me out a good one when you are over there..
[12:31:48] <MrHindsight> I think they are ~70lbs
[12:32:17] <MrHindsight> 82lbs so no UPS or USPS
[12:32:41] <PetefromTn_> really...what was your total bill to get it to you or did you just pick it up?
[12:32:57] <MrHindsight> pick up, just like the surface plates
[12:33:05] <MrHindsight> 500lbs
[12:33:08] <PetefromTn_> I have a nice surface plate here already.
[12:33:24] <MrHindsight> i used them for machine bases
[12:33:44] <PetefromTn_> Have you ever used a KURT vise?
[12:33:56] <MrHindsight> yes, very similar
[12:34:45] <PetefromTn_> YOu have used and machined parts on a kurt and you are saying it is very similar in clamping and holding and flatness squareness... That is really great to hear man.
[12:35:26] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if I call them and BITCH about this boat anchor if they will cut me a deal on a pair of them. Maybe take care of my shipping or something.
[12:35:40] <MrHindsight> it makes parts for the $250K 5 axis printers
[12:37:23] <PetefromTn_> Thanks for your information man. I gotta go meet a fellow to buy a nice set of Fowler Depth micrometers here now. I will be back later. Maybe we can chat more about them. Got any pics of yours?
[12:37:52] <MrHindsight> I even hold the http://search.newport.com/?q=*&x2=sku&q2=RV240HAHLT when reworking
[12:40:30] <PetefromTn_> don't understand that..
[12:40:48] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/307623
[12:40:49] <MrHindsight> I just have to use the ratchet wrenches sine the leadscrews are too low to use the supplied handles
[12:40:50] <PetefromTn_> Is that the company you work for?
[12:42:12] <PetefromTn_> That is no problem for me the Apron of the table on my Cincinatti actually is quite tall so the handle hangs down without hitting anything.
[12:42:17] <MrHindsight> my rec room
[12:42:28] <PetefromTn_> Almost looks like a couple kurts there in that pic LOL.
[12:43:02] <PetefromTn_> ya sure you did not have to touch them up on that surface grinder right LOL...
[12:43:19] <PetefromTn_> Nice Rec room man..hehe
[12:43:34] <PetefromTn_> Just got off the phone with that guy won't be able to meet until 4pm.
[12:44:03] <MrHindsight> there was some deal on a big VMC in FL
[12:44:11] <MrHindsight> but you weren't around
[12:44:43] <humble_sea_bass> $14750.00
[12:44:55] <PetefromTn_> huh? what kind?
[12:45:12] <PetefromTn_> Did you retrofit that Matsuu?
[12:45:16] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: for that stage? yeah
[12:45:35] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: still have to get to it, been busy
[12:45:42] <PetefromTn_> aah..
[12:45:51] <PetefromTn_> but you use the machine and the vises right?
[12:45:57] <MrHindsight> mach3 is awful
[12:46:08] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah thats right it is mach3...
[12:46:11] <MrHindsight> I hope so :)
[12:46:15] <PetefromTn_> I forgot.
[12:46:41] <MrHindsight> few day project to finish the swap to linuxcnc
[12:46:44] <PetefromTn_> Can I ask why you did not get that CNC vise?
[12:47:01] <PetefromTn_> the new one I mean?
[12:47:02] <MrHindsight> he has a AB PLC with a touchscreen doing much of it
[12:47:10] <MrHindsight> so I have rewire lots
[12:47:43] <MrHindsight> I think they were out of stock that day
[12:48:03] <PetefromTn_> I am SO happy with my new tools I picked up last night. This BRAND NEW MItutoyo 8" coolant proof caliper with carbide jaws is NICE!!
[12:48:10] <zeeshan> anyone use boeshield t-9
[12:48:12] <zeeshan> to protect their tools?
[12:48:17] <zeeshan> (not micrometers)
[12:48:21] <zeeshan> but the surface of v-blocks, gauge blocks, etc
[12:48:32] <zeeshan> c-clamps, parallel clamps
[12:48:33] <PetefromTn_> I also cleaned up this Brown and Sharp DTI it looks brand new. feels TIGHT and smooth.
[12:49:52] <PetefromTn_> Do you ever use that hard jaw slot with a vise stop? Is it a tight fit or sloppy?
[12:50:25] <MrHindsight> a neighbors dad passed away that was machinist, I'm going to stop by his shop and take pics of everything
[12:50:41] <zeeshan> MrHindsight: i need a mitutoyo height gauge
[12:50:45] <zeeshan> think of me :)
[12:50:52] <MrHindsight> tons of old tools
[12:50:52] <PetefromTn_> thats sad.
[12:51:05] <PetefromTn_> I am looking for some standards jo blocks.
[12:51:11] <MrHindsight> yeah his son hasn't organized it yet
[12:51:23] <PetefromTn_> Got most of what I needed yesterdy in that lot.
[12:51:39] <MrHindsight> nice lathes and mills
[12:51:42] <PetefromTn_> Could use a nice facemill like that Octomill they use at work.
[12:52:01] <zeeshan> i love the mitsu facemills
[12:52:18] <zeeshan> pete
[12:52:19] <MrHindsight> he doesn't machine anything but he'd like it all to go to good homes
[12:52:21] <zeeshan> you know which ones are awesome?
[12:52:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah SECO.
[12:52:39] <zeeshan> seco makes one like this
[12:52:39] <PetefromTn_> or IScar.
[12:52:40] <zeeshan> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/678711573/Hot-Sale-EMRW-series-Dia-50-mm-5R50-22-4-Flutes-Using-Mitsubishi-RPMW1003-font-b.jpg
[12:52:42] <zeeshan> i has this
[12:52:47] <zeeshan> you destroy one edge
[12:52:49] <zeeshan> rotate the insert a bit
[12:52:51] <zeeshan> you got a fresh one
[12:52:52] <zeeshan> :D
[12:53:07] <PetefromTn_> Yeah that is almost what the Octomills look like.
[12:53:12] <zeeshan> but the octomill that i have
[12:53:14] <zeeshan> can take away more metal
[12:53:15] <PetefromTn_> Except they have 8 edges
[12:53:17] <zeeshan> in one pass with my machine
[12:53:38] <PetefromTn_> Why they hog pretty good at work with them.
[12:53:39] <zeeshan> please tell me about boeshield t-9
[12:53:49] <PetefromTn_> Don't know never tried it.
[12:53:49] <zeeshan> you guys prolly have high hp machines
[12:53:50] <zeeshan> my mill is 2hp
[12:54:03] <PetefromTn_> no we have HAASpower...
[12:54:09] <zeeshan> HAAAAAAAAAAAAS
[12:54:11] <XXCoder> http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2014/4/25/microscale-3-d-printing
[12:54:14] <zeeshan> that automatically adds 10 hp
[12:54:15] <zeeshan> =D
[12:54:23] <PetefromTn_> more like subtracts it.
[12:54:39] <PetefromTn_> but they make good parts all day long from what I have seen.
[12:54:52] <PetefromTn_> even the beater shitty looking ones.
[12:54:57] <zeeshan> i traded some tools with a machinist today
[12:55:01] <zeeshan> made a wire edm contact
[12:55:14] <zeeshan> he's gonna edm me a .25" thick sine bar
[12:55:17] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean
[12:55:36] <zeeshan> he only "machines" with wire edm and sink edm
[12:55:40] <PetefromTn_> Oh I got a friend down the road from me who has like four Mitsubishi Wire EDM machines.
[12:55:50] <PetefromTn_> they are in his back yard.
[12:55:54] <humble_sea_bass> hah
[12:56:01] <zeeshan> lucky :P
[12:56:07] <zeeshan> this guy has agietron edm
[12:56:15] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan I was thinking about you yesterday.
[12:56:18] <zeeshan> i think theyre a swiss company
[12:56:33] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i left for a couple days cause things were getting bad in here cause of the trolls
[12:56:44] <PetefromTn_> I saw an ad in a local Craigslist for machinist selling some tools.
[12:56:53] <PetefromTn_> Got a SMOKIN' deal on some nice stuff..
[12:56:58] <humble_sea_bass> the two that shall not be named appear gone
[12:56:58] <zeeshan> what did you get man
[12:57:07] <zeeshan> gush and shaun
[12:57:11] <zeeshan> don't wanna think about em
[12:57:14] <zeeshan> waste of brain cells
[12:57:33] <humble_sea_bass> its like beetlejuice, say it 3 times and they rerturn
[12:57:44] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: pics pics pics pics
[12:57:44] <PetefromTn_> I got a BRAND NEW in box Mitutoyo Coolant proof 8" digital caliper with certs and a never opened battery package.
[12:57:49] <zeeshan> !!!!
[12:57:54] <zeeshan> ip65
[12:57:56] <zeeshan> sexiness
[12:58:34] <MrHindsight> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271463729129 still up
[12:58:48] <PetefromTn_> I also got a nice clean Brown and Sharp .005/.030 DTI and some nice indicator holders from indicol and sweep it.
[12:59:06] <zeeshan> u mean 0.0005?
[12:59:09] <zeeshan> 30 thou travel?
[12:59:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah sorry.
[12:59:23] <zeeshan> i hear those are nice
[12:59:25] <PetefromTn_> It is in GREAT shape like brand new.
[12:59:30] <zeeshan> never used a b&s indicator before
[12:59:55] <zeeshan> i have the chinese copy of the indicol
[13:00:04] <zeeshan> :(
[13:00:06] <PetefromTn_> I got a BRAND NEW in box Mitutoyo Digital Caliper, Coolant Proof, 8" capacity, carbide jaws...
[13:00:25] <PetefromTn_> I also got a nice Depth mic set 0-3"
[13:00:26] <zeeshan> carbide jaw caliper?
[13:00:29] <humble_sea_bass> I need a proper DTI
[13:00:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[13:00:31] <zeeshan> never seen that before
[13:00:33] <zeeshan> wow
[13:00:44] <zeeshan> whos the depth mic set by
[13:01:13] <humble_sea_bass> my DTI from college is one of those chinese jobbies what seem sticky no matter what you do
[13:01:27] <zeeshan> give it some lubrication
[13:01:28] <zeeshan> :D
[13:01:39] <PetefromTn_> This one is an old Craftsman model and I am going to meet a fellow here soon that is selling me a brand new in box Fowler set of depth mics with a larger width base 0-6"
[13:01:41] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: im planning to make a couple of videos for youtube
[13:01:42] <MrHindsight> soak in oil for a day?
[13:01:48] <zeeshan> which compare chinese vs proper tools
[13:02:08] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple vise jaw stops
[13:02:08] <zeeshan> im going to indicate the same thing with a chinese tdi and mitutoyo and starrett tdi
[13:02:09] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: you're gonna brake hearts
[13:02:18] <zeeshan> and see the truth!
[13:02:35] <humble_sea_bass> Travers for school shop stuff can't be beat, but it is really terrible once you give a shit about what you're doing
[13:02:58] <archivist> you might find starrett is all mouth and no trousers
[13:03:09] <MrHindsight> compare Chinese um/inch to uhmerican?
[13:03:13] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: a lot of craftsman old stuff was made by starrett
[13:03:20] <zeeshan> becareful with the fowler, if its old its prolly made in usa
[13:03:22] <zeeshan> if its new its a chinese model
[13:03:28] <humble_sea_bass> What kind of oil can I use on the DTI, what viscosity I mean
[13:03:46] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: apparently thres only one type
[13:04:00] <zeeshan> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/63633-53216-starrett-tool-instrument-oil-micrometer-accessories.html
[13:04:02] <zeeshan> i ordered that
[13:04:05] <zeeshan> i dont know its composition
[13:04:09] <zeeshan> but apparently its a very light oil.
[13:04:16] <zeeshan> comparable to sewing machine oil
[13:04:29] <zeeshan> you only need 1 drop for it according to starrett to lubricate a micrometer
[13:04:45] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I dunno about the Fowler I will look at it when I see it and find out.
[13:04:57] <PetefromTn_> It sure looks nice in the pics.
[13:05:00] <humble_sea_bass> I still have a gallon of sewing machine oil from when my mom ran a sweat shop. thing must be 20 years old
[13:05:07] <humble_sea_bass> that stuff ages well, right
[13:05:15] <zeeshan> most depth mics are only good to 1 thou anyway
[13:05:18] <zeeshan> im sure chinese or usa will work
[13:05:26] <PetefromTn_> The Craftsman is very nice and I spent some time adjusting the different rods to zero this afternoon on my granite surface plate.
[13:05:27] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: haha
[13:05:38] <PetefromTn_> HUH?
[13:05:48] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: are you going to compare them using an interferometer?
[13:05:52] <PetefromTn_> 1 thou where did you hear that?
[13:06:16] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dunno thats the spec i see on mitutoyo /starret / b&s
[13:06:17] <MrHindsight> (laser mic)
[13:06:25] <zeeshan> MrHindsight: do i look like a high end inspection lab :)
[13:06:32] <zeeshan> i'm just gonna hook up the indicators to the same base
[13:06:39] <zeeshan> and measure the same ground rod
[13:06:45] <zeeshan> at the same time
[13:06:54] <zeeshan> *same type base that is
[13:07:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i'm wrong
[13:07:21] <zeeshan> the graduations are 0.001"
[13:07:37] <zeeshan> the accuracy is +/-0.0003 when you account for the rod accuracy as well
[13:08:08] <MrHindsight> http://www.forumeter.com/video/218331/ Laser Interferometer - Homemade for $20 :)
[13:08:31] <zeeshan> video doesn't play for me
[13:08:32] <PetefromTn_> Dunno what you are looking at but they have some at work that are pretty damn precise. Mitutoyo digital depth mics are good to a tenth I thought that is what they use at work.
[13:08:40] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdasvpErwsc
[13:08:41] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/Mitutoyo-Series-Vernier-Interchangeable-Micrometer/dp/B007OOLBW6
[13:08:45] <zeeshan> not the vernier style
[13:08:47] <zeeshan> if its digital then yea
[13:08:54] <zeeshan> but the vernier ones only have 0.001 grads
[13:09:19] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST bought a set of the Mitu Digital depth mics from that guy yesterday.
[13:09:27] <PetefromTn_> They were a 0-9" set I think.
[13:09:29] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/metrology/0001-depth-mic-200728/
[13:09:34] <zeeshan> explains why there arent tenths depth mic
[13:09:48] <archivist> there are/were 0001 grads on some better mit
[13:10:01] <zeeshan> how do you get a precise measurement
[13:10:12] <archivist> carefully
[13:10:15] <zeeshan> =)
[13:10:20] <PetefromTn_> Only reason I did not was because there was some kinda tight spot in the rotation.
[13:10:43] <PetefromTn_> Not terrible but it was enought to make me step back from them. They sure LOOKED nice tho.
[13:10:46] <PetefromTn_> Price was right.
[13:10:47] <zeeshan> pete i recently acquired a 8-9" mitutoyo 0.0001 mic
[13:10:50] <zeeshan> it was seized
[13:10:51] <zeeshan> free
[13:11:05] <zeeshan> i disassembled it, cleaned up the corrosion on the anvil with a scotch brite
[13:11:10] <zeeshan> lubricated wit hthat fluid
[13:11:16] <zeeshan> calibrated, and it works! :D
[13:11:23] <zeeshan> i hear the digital ones are a lot harder to fix
[13:11:48] <zeeshan> dunno when ill need to ever use a 8-9" mic
[13:11:58] <zeeshan> maybe if i need to measure my big head precisely
[13:12:20] <humble_sea_bass> ctually most people are far too sanguine concerning the accuracy of measurement instruments. Conway comments that the expected accuracy of a micrometer reading with a skilled user can be taken as ± 0.0002 so it is therefore useless to measure parts whose tolerance is less than 0.002 with a micrometer because the error in reading represents at least 20% of the tolerance. Far too many users will be happy with the first part of the previous sentence but wi
[13:12:27] <humble_sea_bass> I like that clive guy
[13:13:03] <zeeshan> well one good way on how to learn how to use a mic and vernier
[13:13:05] <zeeshan> is with a gauge block
[13:13:20] <zeeshan> only needs to be shop grade
[13:13:33] <zeeshan> thats how i learned how much pressure to apply with a vernier
[13:13:45] <zeeshan> doesnt take much force to make the verniers move out by 2 thou
[13:13:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree. There is a definite feel to it.
[13:14:04] <zeeshan> ratcheting and friction thimble are cheating :)
[13:14:21] <PetefromTn_> I dunno I like having them..
[13:14:25] <zeeshan> me too
[13:14:28] <humble_sea_bass> repetition repetition repetition
[13:14:35] <zeeshan> some guys perfer no ratcheting or friction thimble
[13:14:40] <archivist> the vernier needs gibs adjusting if 2 thou out
[13:14:40] <zeeshan> just straight up direct thimble
[13:14:43] <zeeshan> crazy old timers :P
[13:14:47] <zeeshan> archivist: no no
[13:14:57] <archivist> ye yes
[13:15:06] <zeeshan> it closes to 0.000 when closed, and 2.000" on the gauge block
[13:15:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah man 2k is a mile..
[13:15:23] <humble_sea_bass> the calluses on my hands are accurate to 0.0002
[13:15:25] <zeeshan> but if you overapply the pressure.. you can read 1.998"
[13:15:27] <archivist> the jaw rotates
[13:15:46] <archivist> adjust gibs, then its better better
[13:15:51] <zeeshan> so youre saying
[13:15:54] <zeeshan> even if i overapply pressure
[13:15:57] <zeeshan> itll read 2.000?
[13:16:18] <archivist> look for that jaw part rotation
[13:16:29] <archivist> feel for gib play
[13:16:44] <PetefromTn_> I have an 8" vernier Caliper I bought when I first started machining because it was metric and standard. helped me learn to read mics.
[13:16:53] <archivist> I have seen about 20 thou on a loose one
[13:17:08] <zeeshan> i do feel play
[13:17:12] <zeeshan> how do you adjust it
[13:17:20] <zeeshan> oh
[13:17:26] <zeeshan> theres two flat head screws on the top
[13:17:27] <PetefromTn_> Oh I also got a brand new bottle of Dykem and some Tap Magic too ;)
[13:17:40] <PetefromTn_> All for $200.00
[13:17:49] <zeeshan> archivist: thank you for teaching me something new!
[13:17:55] <zeeshan> i did not know these were adjustable
[13:17:56] <zeeshan> haha
[13:18:02] <archivist> :)
[13:18:08] <zeeshan> tell me though
[13:18:16] <zeeshan> if i adjust it to have no play, and over apply pressure
[13:18:22] <zeeshan> i should read 2.000 still on the gauge block?
[13:18:47] <archivist> just get them near enough and remember the sources of errors
[13:19:37] <zeeshan> main source of error in all my 25 some labs that i did during undergrad
[13:19:40] <zeeshan> : human error
[13:19:41] <zeeshan> :D
[13:19:45] <archivist> yup
[13:21:37] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan what kinda mill vise do you have?
[13:21:47] <humble_sea_bass> in school, you could always tell who had a hangover during those labs
[13:22:04] <archivist> I used the ex bosses vernier once, ew, proper mitutoyo, I looked and never seen such a loose gib, adjusted
[13:37:34] <ubU_> hi all
[13:49:59] <ubU_> SELAM
[14:14:01] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151958177586314&set=vb.237785001313&type=2&theater LMAO
[14:30:50] <XXCoder> I have multimeter but I'm uncertain how to check +v on power supply
[14:31:03] <XXCoder> to ensure its properly set
[14:34:28] <archivist> between v- and v+
[14:34:57] <XXCoder> for 3.5a nema23 x 3, what should it be?
[14:35:37] <archivist> as high as the drivers can safely handle
[14:36:02] <XXCoder> mines TB6560
[14:36:19] <pcw_home> the more the merrier (until the driver explodes)
[14:37:03] <archivist> read the tb6560 data sheet
[14:39:36] <pcw_home> absolute max is 40V
[14:40:20] <pcw_home> so maybe 24V real world and 36V if you like living dangerously
[14:42:42] <XXCoder> tested, its at 26v
[14:42:47] <XXCoder> plan to adjust to 24
[14:42:49] <XXCoder> v
[15:03:12] <XXCoder> nice,.
[15:03:17] <XXCoder> so far, no magic smoke
[15:05:13] <humble_sea_bass> xx, those power supplies usually have a little screw that lets you adjust voltage
[15:05:59] <XXCoder> humble_sea_bass: I know. i was unsure what to set it to. its now 23.9. couldnt do fine adjustment when I cant do screw and hold multimeter at once
[15:06:47] <humble_sea_bass> you should grab some eligator clips for situations like this one
[15:06:52] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:07:05] <humble_sea_bass> but give or take a few volt it does not matter
[15:07:31] <XXCoder> yeah not that sensive but wanted accurate enough
[15:07:44] <XXCoder> less than 0.2v close enough
[15:10:04] <XXCoder> still downloading linuxcnc. boring. lol
[15:20:37] <gene78> pcw_home, are yoy about
[15:20:42] <gene78> pcw_home, are you about
[15:21:54] <Loetmichel> ... just made new nameplates from 4mm PMMA for our bellboard at the entrance of the house because we got new tenants half a year ago (!) ... and the bell nameplates are non.standard-size -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14850 ... not really as pretty as i hoed to, but works
[15:24:14] <pcw_home> Yeah
[15:25:54] <gene78> just now put the 5i25 in, and ran pncconf, it finds the 5i25 firmware but when calling up the lspci screen to get its address, no address shown
[15:28:00] <gene78> next?
[15:29:17] <pcw_home> address? no address is needed
[15:30:12] <gene78> card shows as 2718:5i25, irq 10, 64k of memory at e01000000 (32 bit non-prefetchable)
[15:30:25] <gene78> I'll proceed then
[15:33:46] <pcw_home> Yeah is a normal PCI device, the driver finds it so you dont need to specify an address
[15:34:00] <pcw_home> s/is/it is/
[15:37:02] <gene78> ok, get to sanity check screen, but no entry for a cnc4pc c1g? 7i33 checked what do I do here?
[15:38:29] <gene78> Ah, I can uncheck it!
[15:43:06] <pcw_home> I dont know whether pncconf will help with that config
[15:45:59] <gene78> I am assuming the port output pin #'s (not given) are in numerical order, but selecting pin 2 as A stepgen doesn't make sense
[15:47:01] <gene78> there are quite a few pins ghosted now, and there are two stepgen dir B's. Not on the pins I currently use ??
[15:52:44] <gene78> Is there an even newer pncconf? this ones about 3 weeks old.
[15:52:57] <pcw_home> Like I said I'm not sure the pncconf is of any help with that config
[15:58:07] <pcw_home> maybe better to start with a hm2-stepper sample config and merge in your old hal file
[16:02:19] <gene78> well, I just discovered it can't co-exist with the MB parport, so I guess I'll have to remove it.
[16:03:30] <pcw_home> what cannot coexist?
[16:09:42] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Jews and their pursuit of bacon!
[16:10:03] <Jymmm> s/their/the/
[16:10:38] <Jymmm> ( MORE FOR ME!!!)
[16:10:46] <pcw_home> I read an interesting theory about why pigs are regarded as dirty animals by some (depends on climate)
[16:11:05] <Jymmm> for relegious purposes?
[16:11:22] <pcw_home> for eating purposes
[16:11:45] <Jymmm> Well, duh, but I mean on theological grounds?
[16:12:03] <Jymmm> sanitary grounds?
[16:12:14] <Jymmm> culinary grounds?
[16:12:14] <pcw_home> pigs in hot climates piss on themselves to prevent overheating
[16:12:38] <Jymmm> They are canibals too.
[16:13:08] <Jymmm> birds eat bugs
[16:13:30] <Jymmm> we use intestine for sausage casings
[16:13:39] <Jymmm> and condoms
[16:13:44] <witnit> nods
[16:13:57] <Jymmm> fecal matter is far more dirty than sterile urine.
[16:14:13] <gene78> the 5i25 and the motherboard parport. all input read true, but it will run the motors ok
[16:14:15] <Jymmm> s/dirty/biohazard/
[16:15:17] <Jymmm> gene78: Have you considered getting another card and avoid paraport all together?
[16:15:54] <pcw_home> the 5i25 has zero relationship with the MB parallel port (they get along fine)
[16:16:08] <witnit> pcw_home this happened quickly after that card was up and going :)
[16:16:15] <witnit> too awesome
[16:16:16] <gene78> not yet, it turns out I have one spare input yet, and 2 outputs that are not yet commited.
[16:16:25] <Jymmm> pcw_home: But if the mobo latency is too high, woudn't that effect the paraport I/O ?
[16:16:48] <gene78> d525mw mnotherboasrds
[16:17:16] <Jymmm> gene78: What do you mean by "just okey" ?
[16:19:16] <Jymmm> archivist: JT-Shop jthornton Any comments on me removing the ban tomorrow (Sunday Evening) on Shaun?
[16:19:50] <gene78> i tried to home-all, x backed out about 10 thou past the switch, hit the mechanical limit and sat there cogging the motor even if the switch was closed
[16:20:50] <Jymmm> gene78: loose wire somewhere? anything in the logs? Can you repeat the defect?
[16:21:02] <gene78> i hit estop, leaving it there, call up show hal config and put a hal meter on the switch pin, stuck high forever.
[16:21:21] <Jymmm> shielded wiring?
[16:22:26] <gene78> I might, but its been a long day for my back and its about din-din time, so tomorrow I may try again.
[16:22:42] <Jymmm> gene78: Alrighty =)
[16:22:50] <pcw_home> The onboard parallel ports on Atom MBs are LPC devices,
[16:22:52] <pcw_home> completely unrelated to the 5I25 you likely changed something else
[16:32:42] <gene78> pcw:no messages about a 5i25 in /var/log/messages
[16:33:13] <gene78> and I'm gone, thanks Peter
[17:01:12] <pcw_home> gene78: would not expect any
[17:01:14] <pcw_home> (but there should be messages in the kernel log if the HM2-PCI driver is loaded)
[17:03:18] <Jymmm> bah, too many logs
[17:05:11] <pcw_home> Yeah Linux cnc messages are shotgunned to a least 3 different places
[17:07:11] <pcw_home> ubc is different (at least under Preemt-RT) one log file but logging has to be enabled
[17:09:24] <Deejay> gn8
[17:09:48] <XXCoder> been playing with cnc a bit
[17:09:54] <XXCoder> still lots issues.
[17:10:06] <XXCoder> anyone has p6560 hardware file?
[17:10:25] <XXCoder> err tb6560 that is
[17:17:18] <andypugh> It’s on the internet
[17:18:14] <andypugh> http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components2/Datasheet_Sync/201103/DST_TB6560-TDE_EN_27885.pdf
[17:28:36] <andypugh> One sign of why I don’t really rate my Chinese lathe.
[17:28:37] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lqgAp8u7-MkUyJBkCl78xNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:29:11] <andypugh> That’s the solid centre that came with the lathe. It won’t reach the end of a bar…..
[17:29:53] <andypugh> (Admittedly if I hadn’t taken the compound slide off, there would be a chance to work round it)
[17:30:17] <andypugh> But 1.5” of tailstock travel is a bit limited.
[17:33:02] <andypugh> (The Rivett, which has the same centre height, has 3” of travel.
[17:51:15] <XXCoder> thanks
[17:51:43] <XXCoder> I npotice that nema23s is really rough when running
[17:51:47] <XXCoder> not sure whats normal
[17:51:55] <XXCoder> lot of vibration
[17:52:16] <XXCoder> is there method to test if it was skipping steps or something
[17:52:33] <humble_sea_bass> xx. they are loud and gross when holding
[17:52:49] <XXCoder> its either vibration and kinda grindy feel
[17:52:59] <XXCoder> cant hear it so yeah lol
[17:53:22] <humble_sea_bass> the driver normally has a tuner of some sort
[17:53:44] <XXCoder> dip switches?
[17:53:57] <XXCoder> from what I see all 3 axis is on, off off off on on
[17:54:24] <humble_sea_bass> and sadly they tell you to tune it till it sounds right.
[17:54:43] <XXCoder> bah lol
[17:54:54] <XXCoder> theres still quite a lot I dont understand
[17:54:54] <humble_sea_bass> what driver are you using?
[17:54:59] <XXCoder> tb6560
[17:59:04] <humble_sea_bass> xx, do you have a microphone? you can use a sound spectrum analyzer like an oscilloscope
[17:59:19] <XXCoder> my laptop do have it
[17:59:24] <XXCoder> I think
[17:59:42] <XXCoder> if not can always just buy cheap one
[17:59:52] <humble_sea_bass> a cheap one will do too
[18:00:20] <XXCoder> is there anywhere that can show me what it should look when its pretty well running
[18:02:02] <humble_sea_bass> sure. I have a gecko g540 and I'll snap a picture of the frequency range
[18:02:12] <XXCoder> thanks
[18:02:44] <XXCoder> I guess I should look up motor stats see whats max speed and so on
[18:03:07] <XXCoder> it ran pretty damn fast when I was testing when it was moving to new cut section
[18:04:19] <XXCoder> I gonna get another wireless dongle, one that ubuntu 10.04 supports. my laptop is so old it has floppy disk drive
[18:04:24] <PetefromTn_> Well just got back from my little tool buying trip.
[18:04:26] <XXCoder> last generation to have one
[18:05:07] <PetefromTn_> Managed to get that Fowler Depth mic set 0-6" for a great price. Set looks hardly used at all. Very pleased.
[18:05:20] <XXCoder> another one?
[18:05:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[18:05:37] <XXCoder> nice.
[18:06:08] <PetefromTn_> I have the smaller craftsman model that is 0-3" depth and has the smaller base for tighter areas and this new Fowler with the deeper depth rods and a much wider base to span larger areas.
[18:06:36] <PetefromTn_> So I should be good for measuring any hole depth I care to machine LOL...
[18:06:40] <XXCoder> great found some motor stats on place I bought em from
[18:06:51] <XXCoder> I'll have to adjust settings later
[18:07:00] <XXCoder> Some is in error I think
[18:07:14] <PetefromTn_> On the way there I happened across a cool speed shop that just opened up that specializes in Mazda RX7 turbo cars.
[18:07:50] <PetefromTn_> I dropped in there to drool on their sweet rides and also to HOPEFULLY garner some custom machining work or Tig welding from them. They were actually closed
[18:08:15] <PetefromTn_> but I was able to chat with one of the guys who works there and he asked me to come by when they open during the week and meet the owner.
[18:08:25] <humble_sea_bass> score
[18:08:37] <humble_sea_bass> ask them to let you floor one of the cars too
[18:08:40] <PetefromTn_> Hopefully I can convince them to bring me some custom CNC milling work.
[18:08:52] <PetefromTn_> YEAH man. I don't see that happening.
[18:08:55] <XXCoder> nice :)
[18:09:02] <PetefromTn_> They did have some SWEET rides there tho.
[18:09:35] <PetefromTn_> The owner apparently owns a very clean very stock looking silver RX7 twin turbo that puts like 400HP to the wheels apparently.
[18:10:05] <PetefromTn_> Very tastefully done car with red leather seats and shift knob/ steering wheel cover on black dash and carpeting with silver accents.
[18:10:26] <PetefromTn_> It has some 19" black wheels and low profile performance tires. Just a real nice clean car.
[18:10:51] <PetefromTn_> the guy said it runs low 12's apparently on a street tune with lowish boost numbers.
[18:11:19] <PetefromTn_> Then there was the MONSTER build car in the shop LOL....
[18:11:47] <PetefromTn_> Supposedly pushing like 750 to the wheels and just got it running they are hoping to tune it to 850 or so.
[18:12:31] <PetefromTn_> Always thought those third generation mazdas were sweet looking cars. They look even better with some custom suspension and lowering treatment and custom touches.
[18:12:49] <PetefromTn_> I was kinda drooling all over myself there for a bit hehehe
[18:13:29] <XXCoder> had a bib? :D
[18:13:35] <PetefromTn_> Coulda used one
[18:13:56] <PetefromTn_> they also had a yellow viper in there they were tuning up with a turbo apparently.
[18:14:28] <PetefromTn_> a couple neon turbos and a big Dodge Ram v10 sport truck they were tweaking on.
[18:16:33] <humble_sea_bass> I know I would be judged, but I want a Mazda MX5
[18:17:23] <PetefromTn_> Is that the same as the mazdaspeed?
[18:17:42] <PetefromTn_> I was following one the other day in traffic, neat little car.
[18:18:12] <humble_sea_bass> no the mx5 is just a miata, but they are fun to abuse on a track
[18:18:42] <humble_sea_bass> the speed on the other hand is a great looking hatchback that is actually useful
[18:18:54] <PetefromTn_> Yesterday my wife and I were heading to Knoxvegas to look at those tools and passed a couple guys in what looked like a seriously built Mazda Miata with a custom hood, lowering suspension and when it went by sounded like it had a serious v8 motor in it.
[18:19:43] <PetefromTn_> It was bright yellow and had a nice roll cage looking radiused setup bar in it. Nicely done.
[18:20:20] <PetefromTn_> Me I have a soft spot for Pontiac fiero GT's... but I could be convinced to get one of those RX7 twin turbos that is a sweet little car.
[18:20:25] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.good-win-racing.com/miata/images/items/MX5_FULL_ROLL_CAGE.jpg
[18:20:50] <PetefromTn_> yup that is what it looked like but it was screaming yellow.
[18:21:18] <PetefromTn_> I know a lot of guys say they are chick cars but I think they are cool as hell and apparently go around a track like nothing else.
[18:21:19] <humble_sea_bass> all said and done it is one of t he cheapest funnest racing configs out there
[18:21:55] <XXCoder> man driving a "chick car" is man enough to not care about what others think
[18:22:01] <PetefromTn_> Here in east Tennessee there is a whole club full of them and they are often seen during the summer flying around town and heading up to the dragon to hit the curves.
[18:22:03] <humble_sea_bass> it is a svelte car, which is kind of where it got the rep
[18:22:12] <humble_sea_bass> also convertible and fun looking
[18:22:30] <humble_sea_bass> you live by the dragon?
[18:22:50] <PetefromTn_> agreed. My co worker used to bust my balls about the fiero....right up until he got a ride in it to lunch one time. Then he was like man THIS is a cool little car!
[18:22:57] <humble_sea_bass> tail of the dragon
[18:23:02] <PetefromTn_> Yeah it is like five or ten miles form my house.
[18:23:10] <PetefromTn_> from
[18:23:24] <humble_sea_bass> I want to do that on a skateboard, see if I die
[18:23:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah tail of the dragon.
[18:23:51] <PetefromTn_> I rode it on my FZR1000 before I sold it a few times.
[18:24:28] <PetefromTn_> The last time I did I went with a guy who was riding a Honda RC51
[18:25:04] <humble_sea_bass> you know, those guys sound insane if they go down the tail any faster thanposted
[18:25:16] <PetefromTn_> I made the mistake of thinking I could hang with him on my big Fizzer that weighs like almost 500 lbs and is much longer compared to his around 350 lbs and much more nimble chassis.
[18:25:45] <PetefromTn_> ALMOST went under a fullsize van right before I ran off the road into the brush.
[18:25:47] <humble_sea_bass> you were riding a sofa
[18:26:02] <PetefromTn_> Luckily only damaged the upper fairing a bit. rest of bike was fine.
[18:26:12] <PetefromTn_> Yeah a VERY VERY FAST sofa...
[18:26:32] <humble_sea_bass> is the tail as busy as it looks on most videos?
[18:26:33] <PetefromTn_> bike had like 130 HP stock and mine was not stock anymore...
[18:26:43] <humble_sea_bass> so many cyclers
[18:26:44] <PetefromTn_> during the height of the summer yeah it is a zoo..
[18:26:53] <XXCoder> I remember jay leno showing off turoine bike. jeez is it fast. and apparently so loud
[18:26:53] <PetefromTn_> The locals make jokes about it
[18:27:33] <PetefromTn_> They say when the squids are screaming around up there you can count the times LifeFlight heads up there to scrape one of them out of the trees each day.
[18:27:50] <PetefromTn_> Sad but true....
[18:28:09] <PetefromTn_> It is a nice road on the TN side and 118 turns in 11 miles makes for a fun ride.
[18:28:32] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: thisd is what we are talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rGbln3J4Sg
[18:28:36] <PetefromTn_> But there are LOTS of places where if you go off you are going down a steep cliff into trees for a good ways down.
[18:28:58] <PetefromTn_> Yup that is it..
[18:29:12] <PetefromTn_> Honestly for me the road is really TOO twisty.
[18:29:36] <PetefromTn_> You are always just getting sorted out from the last corner when the next one is in your face already.
[18:29:37] <XXCoder> nice vantage point of guys butt while riding :p
[18:30:08] <humble_sea_bass> that's why I want to do it on a downhill board because it would be a lot more fun i feel than nearly dyuing if I son't make a hairpin
[18:30:49] <XXCoder> well one things for sure
[18:30:53] <XXCoder> I wont ride one lol
[18:30:54] <humble_sea_bass> this is what I'd like to do there http://vimeo.com/1654340
[18:33:23] <PetefromTn_> It is actually a public road and it is not unusual to run across a minivan or truck coming the other way and these guys ride it like it is a closed racing course.
[18:33:41] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWkQTjzcoY
[18:34:32] <PetefromTn_> It was a real fun ride in the Fiero's when we went up there with the local Fiero Club.
[18:34:43] <PetefromTn_> A Miata would also be tons of fun up there.
[18:35:13] <PetefromTn_> Even on the sportbikes we seldom went above 65MPH on that road. It is so twisty the video does not really do it justice.
[18:35:33] <XXCoder> heh 65 mph way too fast for me for motorcycle
[18:37:38] <PetefromTn_> On the Dragon it is..
[18:37:51] <XXCoder> try that course with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM7PK5d2Yug lol
[18:38:23] <PetefromTn_> I have been on my FZR1000 with my wife on the back going from West Palm Beach Florida to Fuddruckers Bike Night in Miami at 160 before LOL.... Back when I was a crazy bastard.
[18:38:42] <XXCoder> fuddruckers. I miss that
[18:38:54] <XXCoder> I also miss in'out
[18:39:47] <PetefromTn_> My best friend Frank had another FZR1000 and we were kinda sorta breakin the LAW....
[18:40:10] <PetefromTn_> I miss Florida period. Cannot wait to sell my house here so I can move back.
[18:41:16] <XXCoder> heh land of gerrymangering
[18:45:25] <XXCoder> actually think its texas having that problem
[18:51:07] <skunkworks_> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,27041.msg190722.html#msg190722
[18:58:20] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dont know what mill vise i have, it came with the mill :P
[19:01:52] <zeeshan> i'd like to get a vertex modular percision vise
[19:01:53] <zeeshan> they're bad ass
[19:02:43] <zeeshan> http://www.ymtltd.co.uk/19-71-thickbox/mv200-precision-modular-vice.jpg
[19:02:51] <zeeshan> notice the dimples
[19:03:02] <zeeshan> you can adjust the vise quickly =D
[19:03:29] <PetefromTn_> Hmm
[19:03:35] <PetefromTn_> dunno what I am gonna get.
[19:03:38] <_methods> haha i thought you were waiting a month to come back zeeshan
[19:03:46] <zeeshan> _methods: i gave in
[19:03:49] <_methods> heheh
[19:03:50] <zeeshan> and it looks like the trolls are gone
[19:03:59] <_methods> and thank god for that
[19:04:00] <_methods> or jymm
[19:04:04] <_methods> or whoever it was
[19:04:08] <_methods> that finally ended it
[19:04:21] <zeeshan> :)
[19:04:43] <PetefromTn_> I was under the impression that the vise I have here had a cast in fixed jaw but upon further inspection it has a removable fixed jaw so I MAY be able to have the base ground flat which is my problem.
[19:05:33] <PetefromTn_> Gonna take it in to work and see if we can grind it flat again on the surface grinders.
[19:06:02] <PetefromTn_> But right now I am looking at getting a brand new vise and CONSIDERING anteing up for a Kurt
[19:06:18] <zeeshan> what kinda vise is it
[19:06:20] <_methods> man the kurts are nice
[19:06:23] <PetefromTn_> Tired of having issues with cheap stuff here. The new tools I bought are all quality.
[19:06:26] <zeeshan> fak the kurts
[19:06:40] <_methods> if you ever have an issue with the screw they will send you a new one
[19:06:45] <_methods> before you send the dead one
[19:06:56] <PetefromTn_> The mill is accurate and quality so it just need an accurate vise now.
[19:06:56] <zeeshan> kurt is too much $ for my blood
[19:06:57] <_methods> no questions asked
[19:07:14] <zeeshan> it doesnt take much effort to fix a chinese vise
[19:07:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree they are pricey but they are made right and USA made.
[19:07:15] <_methods> i can't afford it at my house
[19:07:27] <_methods> their support is top notch
[19:07:28] <zeeshan> fak chinese vises too
[19:07:30] <_methods> them and chick
[19:07:30] <zeeshan> taiwanese ftw !
[19:07:36] <PetefromTn_> We have them on every VMC at work and a few sitting around for spares.
[19:07:40] <MrHindsight> http://www.wired.com/2014/04/hybrid_bikes/ I wish that all Harleys were silent
[19:07:52] <_methods> blasphemer
[19:07:58] <zeeshan> school has a bunch of kurts with holes in em from people drilling out vises
[19:08:05] <zeeshan> how they drill out a hardened vise is beyond my understanding
[19:08:06] <PetefromTn_> They are nice and flat and square and accurate.
[19:08:10] <zeeshan> prolly carbide end mill
[19:08:27] <zeeshan> for 1000$ i rather get a surface grinder
[19:08:29] <zeeshan> and fix my own vise
[19:08:30] <zeeshan> :D
[19:08:31] <MrHindsight> you wait for the change in pitch and then keep going
[19:08:42] <PetefromTn_> they are only about $500.00
[19:08:57] <zeeshan> wut
[19:08:59] <zeeshan> i thought they were 1000$
[19:09:03] <zeeshan> 500 is affordable
[19:09:11] <PetefromTn_> a BRAND NEW D688 shipped to my door is only just over 5
[19:09:17] <_methods> $600
[19:09:24] <zeeshan> thats not bad
[19:09:25] <_methods> usually after all the bs
[19:09:31] <_methods> taxes shipping
[19:09:32] <zeeshan> that doesnt look much different than a chiense vise
[19:09:45] <zeeshan> =D
[19:09:51] <_methods> i'd get a glacern if you want to save a couple $$$
[19:09:57] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-KURT-D688-MACHINE-VISE-ANGLOCK-CNC-8-8-OPENING-WORKHOLDING-IRON-CLAD-/111318143452?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item19eb1411dc
[19:09:59] <zeeshan> i want a modcular vise
[19:10:02] <_methods> and same quality as kurt i think
[19:10:07] <zeeshan> theyre better in my opinion for cnc
[19:10:10] <_methods> well not quite lol
[19:10:19] <_methods> but better than chinese vise
[19:10:29] <zeeshan> pete
[19:10:34] <zeeshan> im suprised you dont have a modular table for your cnc
[19:10:38] <zeeshan> instead of a vise
[19:10:41] <PetefromTn_> Glacern is apparently a CHinese vise ground here in USA or somethng like that.
[19:10:52] <_methods> yeah i've gotten a few glacerns
[19:10:56] <_methods> they are decent
[19:10:59] <zeeshan> give me one
[19:11:01] <_methods> like i said not a kurt
[19:11:10] <zeeshan> im pretty sure the one i have on the mill is a chinese vise
[19:11:14] <zeeshan> i dont see any markings on it
[19:11:17] <PetefromTn_> honestly man when you see what they do with a simple kurt vise at work all damn day long it is hard to argue with it.
[19:11:18] <zeeshan> but i did check it with a tenths indicator
[19:11:41] <zeeshan> tenths indicator moves 0.0002 total
[19:11:42] <PetefromTn_> Mine is not flat
[19:11:45] <zeeshan> i dunno if that normal or not
[19:11:53] <PetefromTn_> REALLY??
[19:11:59] <_methods> honestly i don't care about that because i always cut jaws
[19:12:07] <zeeshan> this is the faces pete
[19:12:08] <PetefromTn_> even the kurts are +-.0005
[19:12:13] <zeeshan> i havent checked the bottom flat
[19:12:51] <zeeshan> but seriously
[19:13:00] <zeeshan> those modular vises are so much easier to fix
[19:13:09] <zeeshan> and clean
[19:13:30] <PetefromTn_> faces are supposed to be LESS accurate not more. The base flatness is usually the most important thing
[19:13:33] <zeeshan> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/84240688?item=84240688
[19:13:37] <zeeshan> im pretty sure thats the one at school
[19:13:46] <zeeshan> yes thats it
[19:13:49] <zeeshan> the G is on the vise
[19:14:37] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/4FF57E6D-39C0-40AE-A75F-D3A7584FFBDA_zpscmxmkhub.jpg
[19:14:38] <zeeshan> proof
[19:15:01] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5QL1040-AL-System-5-1040-Qwik-Lok-W100-L400-H95-Chick-Workholding-Vise-/141023477982?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
[19:15:50] <PetefromTn_> Chick and Orange are other alternatives worth looking at.
[19:15:57] <zeeshan> model #?
[19:15:58] <PetefromTn_> More expensive than Kurt tho.
[19:16:03] <_methods> man those chicks are hard to beat
[19:16:09] <_methods> especially with sub plates
[19:16:12] <_methods> and tombstones
[19:16:16] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: I like!
[19:16:18] <zeeshan> thats a sexy vise
[19:17:29] <_methods> yeah for light cut production chick
[19:17:35] <_methods> for heavy cuts i'd go orange
[19:17:45] <zeeshan> honestly in production job shops
[19:17:47] <_methods> the alum bodies of the chicks are just too light for heavy hittin
[19:17:50] <zeeshan> mas product
[19:17:57] <zeeshan> *mass production, ive only need index tables
[19:17:59] <zeeshan> or whatever you call em
[19:18:08] <zeeshan> those tables with a crap load of precision drilled holes
[19:18:10] <_methods> tombstone
[19:18:17] <zeeshan> haha
[19:18:20] <zeeshan> who comes up with these names
[19:18:21] <zeeshan> :)
[19:18:35] <_methods> heh because back in the old days they looked like tombstones
[19:18:36] <zeeshan> yea its that..
[19:18:39] <_methods> they were 2 sided
[19:18:52] <_methods> usually giant converted angle plates
[19:18:53] <zeeshan> http://cdn.cnccookbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/VMC4thTombstone.jpg
[19:18:56] <zeeshan> looked almost like that
[19:19:04] <zeeshan> with the exception that that "Box" thing was on both sides
[19:19:13] <_methods> yeah that's a fake tombstone lol
[19:19:20] <_methods> that's a po' mans tombstone
[19:19:31] <zeeshan> but iguess for mass production
[19:19:36] <zeeshan> it makes sense to have a "custom fixture"
[19:19:38] <zeeshan> vs a vise
[19:19:40] <_methods> that's not for mass production lol
[19:19:49] <_methods> that's for people that can't afford a horizontal
[19:19:58] <zeeshan> its 4 axis
[19:20:12] <_methods> it is
[19:20:12] <zeeshan> this machine would drill all these fluid ports
[19:20:17] <zeeshan> at different angles
[19:20:41] <zeeshan> sorry i dont remember all the fine details :P
[19:20:44] <zeeshan> it was 6 years ago
[19:21:56] <zeeshan> http://www.lighttoolsupply.com/catalog/Product/GS-Modular-Milling-Vises?productID=344603
[19:22:00] <zeeshan> better deal..
[19:22:04] <zeeshan> 650 for 6" opening
[19:22:06] <zeeshan> modular
[19:22:14] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Glacern-Machine-Tools-GSV-690-Milling-Vise-D688-D675-/280948044075
[19:22:26] <zeeshan> not modular
[19:22:26] <zeeshan> ;[
[19:23:20] <zeeshan> what are the chances my vises markings are on the surface that mates with the table?
[19:23:27] <zeeshan> im curious to know which one it is
[19:23:51] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man that modular vise looks pretty wimpy.
[19:24:04] <zeeshan> but its so easy to use! :P
[19:24:15] <PetefromTn_> and that Glacern is MORE expensive than the Kurt...
[19:24:24] <PetefromTn_> how so..
[19:24:33] <zeeshan> theres detents
[19:24:39] <_methods> ugh they have been raising their prices
[19:24:41] <zeeshan> it slides into place
[19:24:46] <PetefromTn_> The clamping force of the kurt is hard to argue with. It is just a beast of a solid vise.
[19:24:56] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EARTH-CHAIN-ECB-075-MAGNETIC-WORKHOLDING-VISE-1-650-LB-/230480871767
[19:25:02] <_methods> there's a reason every machine shop has kurt vises
[19:25:11] <_methods> it's not because they suck
[19:25:19] <zeeshan> most common name in the business!
[19:25:27] <zeeshan> manual machines have kurt vises
[19:25:37] <zeeshan> ive rarely seen a kurt vise on a cnc machine
[19:25:41] <PetefromTn_> Like I said in the shop EVERY machine has one and they just plain work for so many things.
[19:25:42] <_methods> we use them on cnc all the time
[19:25:49] <zeeshan> its either a tombstone or bunch of modular vises
[19:25:49] <zeeshan> in a row
[19:25:58] <_methods> for a vmc
[19:26:05] <_methods> regular vise is fine
[19:26:08] <_methods> depends on the job
[19:26:31] <MrHindsight> wire ties, hot melt, c-clamp
[19:26:36] <zeeshan> good idea
[19:26:38] <zeeshan> works well
[19:26:43] <PetefromTn_> If I need a production run I usually make custom fixtures with multiple positions that either mounts to the table or atop the vise..
[19:27:07] <PetefromTn_> Amazing what you can do with TWO kurt vises too....
[19:27:16] <zeeshan> i like tom lipton's kurt vise w/ modular table on it
[19:27:27] <zeeshan> the modular table is made out of aluminum
[19:27:36] <zeeshan> everytime he puts the table on, he surfaces it hehe
[19:27:38] <PetefromTn_> Was chatting with MrHindsight earlier and he seemed to like his Shars 690s...
[19:28:13] <_methods> i was contemplating getting their 4" cnc vise
[19:29:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WBgJy8V.jpg
[19:29:18] <MrHindsight> they work fine here, maybe just lucky with the two but I'd return them if I had any issues
[19:29:19] <zeeshan> can you guys tell what vise that is?
[19:29:51] <_methods> front fixed jaw
[19:30:06] <_methods> i think they made those for cnc guys that were too stupid to use the back jaw
[19:30:14] <zeeshan> haha
[19:30:28] <_methods> 0,0 on the back was too cornfusing
[19:30:31] <zeeshan> ive never taken it off
[19:30:38] <zeeshan> it looks heavy
[19:30:47] <zeeshan> opens to 7-7.5"
[19:30:56] <MrHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/8139/6quot_690V_CNC_Milling_Machine_Vise_00004quot
[19:31:21] <_methods> i just don't think they took off because the slide has to use so much material
[19:31:35] <_methods> more expensive to manufacture
[19:31:51] <_methods> but i have no idea
[19:34:02] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: btw that shars order neever made it to me
[19:34:03] <zeeshan> i cancelled it
[19:34:08] <zeeshan> and never vow to order from them again
[19:34:24] <zeeshan> had to do a cc chargeback
[19:34:46] <zeeshan> i ended up buying a noga base locally
[19:35:00] * zeeshan bought an israeli product :{
[19:36:15] <humble_sea_bass> noga is israeli?
[19:36:20] <_methods> yeah
[19:36:46] <_methods> shaviv, noga
[19:36:53] <humble_sea_bass> god dammit the image of a wise old japanese machinist atop a mountain is shattered
[19:36:59] <zeeshan> hahahahah
[19:37:04] <_methods> lol
[19:37:34] <zeeshan> it means 'brightness, glow'
[19:37:41] <zeeshan> in hebrew.. so guess what
[19:37:48] <zeeshan> it's a flamboyant company too.
[19:37:48] <zeeshan> !
[19:38:03] <humble_sea_bass> I thought noga was like hanso steel, means nothing and sounds samuraish
[19:38:13] <zeeshan> might as well painted the bases red yellow green
[19:45:36] <PetefromTn_> Well that sucks.
[19:45:51] <PetefromTn_> I was hoping to hear from you that you liked your hydraulic Noga clone.
[19:46:23] <_methods> i'm gonna get 4 or 5 of them
[19:46:33] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of nice spindle mounted indicator holders in this purchase I made yesterday.
[19:46:39] <PetefromTn_> I like this one quite a bit.
[19:46:45] <_methods> good
[19:46:52] <_methods> i was kinda worried for their price
[19:47:00] <_methods> but i'm just gonna use mine for third hands
[19:47:14] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/01297076?item=01297076
[19:47:18] <_methods> all these third hand things for electronics should really be called turd hands
[19:47:35] <_methods> i figure 4 mag bases with alligators on them will be the shiznit
[19:47:40] <PetefromTn_> 4 or 5 of what?
[19:47:50] <_methods> articulating arm mag bases
[19:48:14] <PetefromTn_> which ones?
[19:48:15] <_methods> i could probably just get the arms
[19:48:24] <_methods> the shars ones i guess
[19:48:27] <_methods> not noga lol
[19:48:37] <_methods> i'll be broke for sure after that
[19:48:38] <PetefromTn_> Great lemme know how they work when you get them.
[19:48:42] <_methods> i will
[19:48:48] <_methods> damn i thought you were saying you have one
[19:48:57] <_methods> all i'm goin to use them for is third hands
[19:49:02] <PetefromTn_> No actually Zeeshan bought one and then cancelled the order.
[19:49:10] <_methods> ah
[19:49:16] <_methods> we'll i'm gonna get a bunch
[19:49:21] <_methods> i'll let ya know
[19:49:24] <PetefromTn_> I was ABOUT to buy one the other day with their interapid clone indicator
[19:49:41] <_methods> hell i just got 3 indicators from them with the mag backs
[19:49:42] <PetefromTn_> but then I got a smokin deal on this Brown and Sharp DTI
[19:49:51] <_methods> they are decent dial indicators
[19:50:09] <_methods> better than my pos spi one
[19:50:09] <PetefromTn_> So I may still get the Noga or a Noga Clone from Shars.
[19:50:36] <_methods> they have nice big bezels on them
[19:50:40] <_methods> easy to move
[19:50:48] <PetefromTn_> which ones did you get?
[19:51:08] <_methods> 2 shars 1" and 1 2"
[19:51:21] <_methods> they're not too bad
[19:51:22] <PetefromTn_> I used my Brand New Starrett Edge finder today on the VMC when I cut the bottom dovetail of those scope rails.
[19:51:38] <_methods> nice
[19:51:51] <PetefromTn_> NICE unit and I was able to repeat the pickup to .0001 on the DRO's Very consistently.
[19:52:19] <PetefromTn_> Dunno what the actual precision is of course but that is much better than I was able to get with my Shars LED edge finder.
[19:52:31] <_methods> hah
[19:52:40] <_methods> those led edgefinders are for noobs
[19:52:45] <PetefromTn_> Nice to know I am on the edge.
[19:53:00] <_methods> i have one for workin on the back side of tombstones
[19:53:03] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I got it because I WANTED to use it for a probe too...
[19:53:09] <_methods> so i don't have to climb in the damn machine
[19:53:24] <PetefromTn_> but after using it and seeing how bad it is I just broke down and got the Starrett.
[19:53:32] <_methods> don't like putting my head between the spindle and the tombstone lol
[19:53:44] <PetefromTn_> Don't blame you there.
[19:54:02] <_methods> hehe
[19:54:32] <PetefromTn_> Mr.Hindsight said he uses the Shars vises to good effect. I have the OLD model Shars CNC vise and it is pretty bad. It is NOT flat or square.
[19:55:20] <jdh> I have a cheapo shars, need ot mill the back lip off
[19:55:21] <PetefromTn_> He said he has two and showed pics of them and said they are really good so now I got a dilemma here. Buy that Shars and hope it is good and if it is not deal with their warrantee. Or buy a Kurt.
[19:55:34] <PetefromTn_> which one?
[19:56:44] <jdh> kurt
[19:56:59] <PetefromTn_> No I mean which Shars vise do you have?
[19:57:18] <jdh> dunno. 5" not a cnc version. Has the lip around everything
[19:57:53] <PetefromTn_> How long have you had it?
[19:58:00] <jdh> 2 years?
[19:58:09] <jdh> 3? whenever I got teh g0704
[19:58:16] <PetefromTn_> okay. These new ones apparently came out within the last year.
[19:59:41] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: hydraulic ones?
[19:59:45] <PetefromTn_> My youngest Daughter has been wanting a fish tank and fish.
[20:00:16] <PetefromTn_> Tonight we broke down and got a small tank kit from WalMArt and three fish.
[20:00:24] <PetefromTn_> Brought it home
[20:00:26] <PetefromTn_> Set it up
[20:00:29] <zeeshan> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/32065-nf1018-noga-magnetic-indicator-base-accessories.html
[20:00:32] <PetefromTn_> Filled it with water.
[20:00:34] <zeeshan> 57$
[20:00:39] <zeeshan> + 15% discount coupon
[20:00:42] <PetefromTn_> and let it run for a bit.
[20:00:50] <PetefromTn_> Put the fish in and guess what.
[20:00:52] <zeeshan> www.use-enco.com/1/1/35092-mg10533-noga-w-arm-holder-attachment-magnetic-indicator-bases.html
[20:00:57] <zeeshan> 99.95 + 15% discount coupon
[20:01:01] <zeeshan> you can get em fairly cheap
[20:01:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I saw that.
[20:02:04] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: This and $20 http://www.pepperidgefarm.com/ProductDetail.aspx?catID=774&prdID=120277
[20:02:20] <PetefromTn_> anyways fat pretty Fantail Goldfish went belly up...
[20:02:33] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:03:01] <zeeshan> hey pete
[20:03:11] <zeeshan> have you looked into touch probes?
[20:03:24] <PetefromTn_> So far the Black Molly is doing okay as is the Plecostemus.
[20:03:39] <PetefromTn_> No just working on building a tool probe here.
[20:03:43] <_methods> http://www.shars.com/products/view/20153/170_Lbs_Holder_Power_Magnetic_Base
[20:03:53] <_methods> $30
[20:04:04] <zeeshan> _methods: apparently that one isnt hydraulic
[20:04:05] <_methods> bit more spensive than the fish
[20:04:07] <zeeshan> accoridng to someone in here
[20:04:15] <_methods> oh oi'm sure it's not
[20:04:25] <zeeshan> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1408/Hydraulic_Magnetic_Base
[20:04:30] <_methods> there's probably cartilage from 90 y/o chinese women in there
[20:04:31] <zeeshan> this one is the hydraulic one i ordered and cancelled
[20:04:47] <zeeshan> also a guy on youtube shows you
[20:04:48] <zeeshan> how to fix it
[20:04:50] <zeeshan> to make it work better
[20:05:16] <PetefromTn_> Yeah that Hydro one looks decent.
[20:05:28] <zeeshan> 47.95 + shipping
[20:05:37] <_methods> yeah
[20:05:41] <_methods> i might get that instead
[20:05:42] <zeeshan> you can get that noga for 95-15% off + free shipping
[20:05:47] <zeeshan> if you combine the right discount codes!
[20:06:10] <_methods> ah for what i'm doing i don't need a noga
[20:06:22] <zeeshan> _methods buy two
[20:06:23] <zeeshan> and ship me one
[20:06:25] <_methods> heh
[20:06:26] <zeeshan> fakin shars
[20:06:29] <_methods> i'm gonna buy 5
[20:06:50] <_methods> unless the wife is listening
[20:06:53] <_methods> then i'm just getting 1
[20:06:59] <zeeshan> =D
[20:07:14] <zeeshan> ok im gonna go make a c-clamp holder
[20:07:17] <zeeshan> i bought a bunch of older c-clamps
[20:07:23] <zeeshan> but no where to put em
[20:07:47] <zeeshan> http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e69/kten72/IMAG0350-1_zps5ad5096c.jpg
[20:07:50] <zeeshan> im thinking something like that
[20:07:56] <zeeshan> but using a 1" flat bar instead
[20:08:03] <zeeshan> so i can mount the little c-clamps as well
[20:09:44] <zeeshan> "new old stock" http://i.imgur.com/H58tws6.jpg
[20:10:04] <zeeshan> not sure when they were made, the printing style on the box makes em look old
[20:27:55] <malcom2073> So, is it unreasonable to want 32k steps per second out of a parallel port?
[20:35:05] <andypugh> Catching up 400+ messages
[20:36:18] <andypugh> Kurt is not as ubiquious as you might think. I had never heard of them until I started talking to USA-ians.
[20:37:33] <andypugh> I do actaully have a 7” Kurt double, free to a good home. Three issues: No jaws. (at all) It’s a bit rusty. It’s in the UK.
[20:38:11] <andypugh> ’Tis far to big for my mill. (and is useless without jaws)
[20:39:36] <andypugh> malcom2073: It’s possible with some systems, but there is a subtle second-order problem.
[20:40:23] <andypugh> malcom2073: If you reply to indicate you are still there, I will explain.
[20:40:46] <jdh> c'mon, explain anyway.
[20:41:17] <andypugh> I rather assume that the names I know, know.
[20:41:31] <malcom2073> Hey andypugh
[20:41:45] <malcom2073> So, let me give you some background so you can hate on me
[20:41:48] <malcom2073> it's a 3d printer.
[20:41:57] <jdh> heh
[20:42:10] <malcom2073> Trying to drive it with a G540, which is 10 microstepping, WAY more accuracy than I need, but can't change that :/
[20:42:29] <malcom2073> It's a ballscrew printer, was running 1/4 microstepping on my previous drivers to get the speeds I wanted
[20:42:59] <andypugh> OK, if your system can handle a base-thread that can do 32kHz, then you are running a 31uS basse thread. That’s perfectly OK
[20:43:03] <jdh> 5i25 is cheap and will plug and play with the g540
[20:43:50] <malcom2073> jdh: Yeah a mesa is an option if all else fails, though I'd rather spend the money on a beaglebone black solution
[20:43:52] <andypugh> But, and this is the subtle point, your next speed available is exactly half that.
[20:44:36] <malcom2073> andypugh: Not sure what you mean by that?
[20:46:41] <andypugh> Your steps are 32kHz, 16kHz, 10.4kHz, 7.8khz
[20:47:00] <andypugh> and so on
[20:48:14] <andypugh> The 6.25kHz to 7.8kHz step is the point where the fequency chance is something that the hardware might follow
[20:48:30] <malcom2073> so it boils down to what the system can handle, and if it can't quite handle 32, it's takes a huge step back to 16?
[20:48:48] <malcom2073> I'm not that familiar with the how the underlying system works
[20:51:02] <andypugh> With a 32khz base thread you can do 32khz. You can’t do 31kHz. or anything less than that to the next integer divisor. The step generator runs at 32kHz, it can pulse ever thread-interval, every second interval, every third, etc.
[20:52:32] <zeeshan> damn internet
[20:52:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/jZZZQzH.jpg
[20:52:49] <andypugh> At some point it is clever enough to dither. It can do 12.8 kHz by waiting 4 calls, then 5 calls, then 4 calls, etc.
[20:52:50] <zeeshan> thats how i nended up mounting em
[20:52:55] <zeeshan> *ended
[20:53:05] <malcom2073> So how does the system handle accelerating between the two speeds (from a pulse every thread-interval, to a pulse every other thread interval) if there is such a huge gap?
[20:53:12] <malcom2073> Or is that where dithering comes into play?
[20:54:27] <andypugh> That’s the issue. It does the best it can, but at some point there is an accel step that the hardware can’t follow.
[20:55:27] <malcom2073> So you really want to run a significantly faster base thread, than your maximum step frequency for more accuracy?
[20:55:36] <malcom2073> more timing accuracy
[20:55:38] <andypugh> yes.
[20:55:48] <andypugh> And for $70 it can be 1Mhz
[20:55:59] <andypugh> As jdh already suggested
[20:56:05] <malcom2073> That explains the mesa boards having such silly high step rates.
[20:56:11] <malcom2073> Wondered about that, but that makes a lot of sense
[20:57:25] <andypugh> Indeed. I worry that I sound like a Mesa salesman, but the 5i25 is a very useful thing and not expensive,
[20:57:59] <malcom2073> Heh, no biggie. My dad bought a mesa just recently and is going to be sticking it on his cnc at some point
[20:58:03] <malcom2073> his mill
[20:58:08] <jdh> and since you already own a 540, the 5i25 seems a perfect fit
[20:58:17] <malcom2073> Well.... I'm borrwing a 540 :)
[20:58:23] <malcom2073> have to purchase one at some point, if this works out
[20:58:37] <jdh> otoh, it is a 3d printer, so who cares.
[20:58:58] <malcom2073> Accuracy doesn't matter nearly as much as speed really
[20:59:16] <andypugh> So, you need fast pulses.
[20:59:17] <zeeshan> jdh
[20:59:18] <zeeshan> omg
[20:59:20] <zeeshan> HELP ME!
[20:59:22] <zeeshan> HALP
[20:59:23] <malcom2073> yeah. Mesa heh
[20:59:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7MExruF.jpg
[20:59:46] <zeeshan> thats what im dealing with right now
[21:00:07] <jdh> looks familiar
[21:00:15] <zeeshan> what should i do
[21:00:16] <zeeshan> ;[
[21:00:22] <zeeshan> should i put a bracket right there?
[21:00:24] <jdh> whats teh problem
[21:00:41] <zeeshan> im thinking ahead
[21:00:46] <andypugh> Another option is to run everything on a BeagleBone and use the PRU. You need a “Cape” for the motor interface, but the BBBlack is $50 and frees up your PC.
[21:00:48] <zeeshan> problem is the ball screw cover
[21:01:06] <malcom2073> I have a BBB sitting on my desk, so even cheaper
[21:01:23] <malcom2073> you happen to know the maximum step frequency of that off the top of your head?
[21:01:26] <zeeshan> uploading a better pic
[21:01:32] <XXCoder> so in linuxcnc config ini file, what is "max_limit" units? er brb lol
[21:02:05] <zeeshan> jdh: http://i.imgur.com/ShkXUYy.jpg
[21:02:13] <andypugh> malcom2073: I don’t know, you probably need to look at www.machinekit.io
[21:02:21] <zeeshan> the blue part is what i think i should remove
[21:02:30] <malcom2073> andypugh: Thanks, I'll check that out
[21:02:32] <zeeshan> that way i can have a ball screw cover
[21:02:45] <zeeshan> thats staionary
[21:03:04] <andypugh> zeeshan: You want a spiral cover
[21:03:09] <jdh> you are going to leave teh apron?
[21:03:19] <zeeshan> jdh i'd like to
[21:03:23] <zeeshan> andypugh: no spiral cover
[21:03:25] <zeeshan> its too expensive
[21:03:40] <zeeshan> if i were to go wit hthe spiral cover route, i rather do telescoping covers on both the ball screw and ways
[21:03:54] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OWr-kVe-W0
[21:04:00] <zeeshan> i want to do a stationary cover like this guy
[21:04:15] <andypugh> zeeshan: Actually you seem to be making my mistake, and CNC converting a heap of junk.
[21:04:16] <zeeshan> but i have zero idea how he mounted the ball nut to the apron
[21:04:29] <jdh> heh
[21:04:30] <zeeshan> andypugh: this machine is far from junk
[21:04:38] <zeeshan> i've used it manually for 8 years
[21:04:46] <zeeshan> it can hold 0.0005 tolerances no problem.
[21:05:12] <zeeshan> its a hobby lathe, not a production lathe
[21:05:27] <zeeshan> jdh: how do you think that guy got away with a stationary cover?
[21:05:34] <andypugh> Is it gap-bed?
[21:05:35] <zeeshan> ofcourse the underside of the ball screw is exposed
[21:05:56] <zeeshan> yes
[21:06:05] <jdh> you can cut to .5, or it will cut to .5
[21:06:38] <andypugh> Is it worth dropping the screw below the gap?
[21:06:58] <zeeshan> andypugh: i'm not sure
[21:07:09] <zeeshan> where the ball screw is mouinted is where the factory threading lead screw mounted
[21:07:16] <zeeshan> the ball screw is 5 mm bigger
[21:07:22] <zeeshan> or something like that
[21:07:33] <PetefromTn_> Well The Molly and the Plecostamus are still kicking T-minus two hours...
[21:07:35] <jdh> what does keeping the apron do?
[21:07:44] <zeeshan> i literally just bored out the hole in the quick change gearbox to allow the floating end
[21:07:46] <jdh> Pete: did you treat the water and get the temp right?
[21:07:46] <andypugh> Your keeper strips are junk, and I challenge you to question that
[21:07:49] <zeeshan> jdh: it adds weight
[21:08:01] <zeeshan> so the appron doesnt lift
[21:08:12] <PetefromTn_> Well we bought some water treatment stuff and a dechlorinator
[21:08:19] <zeeshan> andypugh: what are keeper stripers
[21:08:25] <zeeshan> *strips
[21:08:39] <PetefromTn_> The temp they told me just room temp is fine and we TRIED to keep them in bags inside before we opened them to the tank.
[21:08:56] <andypugh> They hold the bed down. With V-ways that is also critical for the X-alignement,
[21:09:35] <PetefromTn_> On the UPSIDE we got some cool Spongebob squarepants little houses in there and the tank kit came with a cool LED light that switches colors.
[21:09:47] <zeeshan> you mean the 4 brackets
[21:09:53] <zeeshan> 2 bolts each that mount to the carriage?
[21:09:53] <PetefromTn_> SpongeBobs house and Squidwards house
[21:10:05] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:10:14] <zeeshan> andypugh: they dont hold the bed down
[21:10:30] <zeeshan> i dont understand why the vertical height of the carriage matters?
[21:10:39] <zeeshan> at most it'll throw out the tool centerline by 10 thou
[21:10:45] <zeeshan> mine moves 5 thou at most
[21:11:07] <zeeshan> those keepers are there just so the appron doesnt fly out and kill you
[21:11:16] <zeeshan> when a tool bit gets stuck in the work piece :p
[21:11:21] <andypugh> On my lathe the keeper strips held the bed down by the right amount by being not-quite-tight. Yours might be done properly.
[21:11:42] <zeeshan> andypugh: i know you're trying to be helpeful
[21:11:46] <zeeshan> but please help me solve this mystery
[21:11:55] <jdh> I think mine is more like andy's
[21:12:00] <zeeshan> i really don't understand how this guy got away with a stationary ball screw cover
[21:12:03] <jdh> (in the crap dept)
[21:12:30] <zeeshan> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-x-36-Gunsmithing-Lathe/G0750G
[21:12:31] <zeeshan> this is my lathe
[21:12:34] <zeeshan> in grizzly version
[21:13:08] <zeeshan> the only difference is its d1-4 not d1-5
[21:13:12] <PetefromTn_> Looks like he used a smaller diameter screw and tucked it up tight against the top of the apron edge and used a fixed cover over it the whole way.
[21:13:24] <andypugh> Sorry, I get a bit evangelical. I sunk £1k + time into a lathe that appears to have been made by someone who had never used a lathe.
[21:13:32] <zeeshan> andypugh: haha
[21:13:34] <zeeshan> =/
[21:13:48] <zeeshan> honestly, i wouldnt have attempted to cnc if i hadnt used this lathe for so long
[21:13:54] <zeeshan> it was pretty much brand new when i got it
[21:14:12] <zeeshan> its only after my abuse it lost some paint :P
[21:14:14] <jdh> I have $500 in mine.
[21:14:16] <PetefromTn_> I have had the same basic lathe for over a decade and it works quite well actually.
[21:14:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im pretty sure you and me have the same lathe
[21:14:32] <zeeshan> you have a 12x36
[21:14:37] <zeeshan> gap bed as well right?
[21:14:43] <PetefromTn_> If I did not have the desire for a more commercial machine with a toolchanger I would just retro this thing.
[21:14:45] <zeeshan> with quick change gear box
[21:14:47] <PetefromTn_> yup.
[21:14:52] <PetefromTn_> works great.
[21:14:59] <andypugh> Did you see my picture earlier which shows how the suppplied centre doesn’t reach a bar that the tool can reach?
[21:15:00] <PetefromTn_> I musta cut a thousand threads on it
[21:15:12] <PetefromTn_> nope
[21:15:27] <zeeshan> haha what the hell
[21:15:40] <zeeshan> link
[21:15:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: so basically i'd need to make a bracket like this pic
[21:15:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ShkXUYy.jpg
[21:15:54] <PetefromTn_> I did manage to mangle the thrust bearing in the tailstock when I was trying to help Connor with his pullies.
[21:16:06] <zeeshan> and face mill a massive slot
[21:16:10] <zeeshan> on the apron
[21:16:36] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/mpdnng8
[21:16:44] <zeeshan> i'd love to put telescoping covers over both the ball screw and ways
[21:16:53] <zeeshan> but it'll cost too much in waterjet/last cutting/ bending
[21:17:08] <zeeshan> jdh have you tried jogging it?
[21:17:11] <jdh> yeah
[21:17:12] <PetefromTn_> Why don't you do it like the guy in the video.. that looks VERY nice and tight.
[21:17:14] <zeeshan> works fine?
[21:17:19] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im trying to!!!
[21:17:20] <jdh> Z seesm fine
[21:17:21] <andypugh> First link, as it is there now, How I modified the keeper strips. Mainly (to be fair) because my version also pretended to be a mill. Bit this is still a decent upgrade for parting etc: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs
[21:17:23] <zeeshan> but i'm lost on how he did it
[21:17:23] <zeeshan> lol
[21:17:31] <zeeshan> it looks like he HEAVILY modified the apron
[21:17:44] <zeeshan> i tried contacting him, but no luck
[21:18:11] <andypugh> Here is the centre issue: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lqgAp8u7-MkUyJBkCl78xNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[21:18:17] <zeeshan> when i look at it again
[21:18:22] <zeeshan> it looks like he made a custom appron.
[21:18:25] <zeeshan> the sides can be unbolted
[21:18:29] <zeeshan> which the stock one cant
[21:18:32] <PetefromTn_> Actually it does not look that way to me at all... He did mount the stepper inside it tho. For the long axis it just looks like it is mounted behind it.
[21:18:46] <zeeshan> dude i really think its a custom apron
[21:18:48] <zeeshan> not modified stock
[21:18:58] <zeeshan> andypugh: thats not a big problem
[21:19:03] <zeeshan> your tail stock is adjustable
[21:19:11] <andypugh> ?
[21:19:39] <andypugh> My tailstock is all the way out, and hard against the carriage.
[21:19:39] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it looks stock to me..
[21:19:43] <zeeshan> let me clarify the problem -- the axis of the tail stock isn't coincident with the spindle center line?
[21:19:50] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: he's got unboltable side covers
[21:19:56] <zeeshan> stock isnt like that
[21:20:02] <zeeshan> and look at the way it chamfers on the bottom
[21:20:23] <zeeshan> andypugh: LOL
[21:20:29] <zeeshan> that cant be right
[21:20:33] <PetefromTn_> At :43 he mentions he built his own carriage housing.
[21:20:41] <zeeshan> ah
[21:21:09] <zeeshan> mine opens to 5"
[21:21:13] <zeeshan> from what i remember.
[21:21:25] <zeeshan> no thats the school one
[21:21:28] <zeeshan> mines 4"
[21:21:59] <zeeshan> just grab a longer center..
[21:22:08] <andypugh> 1.5” of tailstock ram travel. 2” of carriage width, supplied short centre = problem.
[21:22:50] <PetefromTn_> your machine only has 1.5" of tailstock ram travel?
[21:22:53] <zeeshan> hahahah
[21:22:58] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: thats why im laughing
[21:23:08] <PetefromTn_> Mine has like four or more I think.
[21:23:14] <zeeshan> small drill prsses have more travel
[21:23:14] <zeeshan> :)
[21:23:19] <andypugh> It’s not an insurmountable probem, it is just a hint that the manufacrturer had no clue.
[21:23:40] <zeeshan> maybe they sold the wrong tail stock? :P
[21:23:53] <PetefromTn_> You can get MT extension adapter sleeves pretty cheap tho.
[21:24:06] <zeeshan> 1.5" travel is pretty weak sauce though
[21:24:09] <PetefromTn_> I used to have one on my Shoptask back years ago.
[21:24:52] <andypugh> I have several running centres, all are longer
[21:24:58] <PetefromTn_> The whole damn lathe is pretty weak sauce unfortunately LOL
[21:25:02] <zeeshan> andypugh: lol
[21:25:05] <zeeshan> im still laughing mate
[21:25:41] <PetefromTn_> I am happy with mine but compared to even the cheapest weakest commercial machine it is a pussy.
[21:26:10] <PetefromTn_> It's all relative.
[21:26:16] <zeeshan> it's much better than a logan
[21:26:17] <zeeshan> or southbend
[21:26:20] <zeeshan> ill tell you that much
[21:26:26] <PetefromTn_> how ya figure...
[21:26:28] <andypugh> The story there, though, is that I wanted to cut a 1/2” thread and my threading tool fouls the live centres at 12mm, so I ground a flat on the dead centre, and put it in, and found that it was no help at all….
[21:26:34] <zeeshan> it doesn't have a shitty ass screw on spindle bullshit
[21:26:43] <zeeshan> it's not worn out
[21:26:48] <zeeshan> like they usually are
[21:26:53] <zeeshan> and it's got more work capacity
[21:27:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah but that is offset by the CHINESE factor.
[21:27:07] <zeeshan> just fyi
[21:27:14] <zeeshan> these are taiwanese not chinese
[21:27:29] <zeeshan> and i don't care if its chinese or usa made
[21:27:33] <zeeshan> as long as it works
[21:27:37] <PetefromTn_> Like I said I am not busting on it man I LIKE mine.
[21:27:44] <zeeshan> i shopped for a year before getting it
[21:27:55] <PetefromTn_> But compared to what I would LIKE to have in the shop it is a pussy.
[21:28:08] <zeeshan> ofcourse
[21:28:11] <zeeshan> all depends on your context
[21:28:13] <andypugh> I _think_ mine is a cheap indian knock-off of a cheap chinese knock-off of a cut-price austrian design.
[21:28:19] <PetefromTn_> I have made some cool stuff on it tho.
[21:28:20] <zeeshan> for a 12x36 its awesome
[21:28:29] <zeeshan> compared to the schools lathe its a wuss
[21:28:31] <PetefromTn_> Several different PCP air guns
[21:28:37] <zeeshan> that thing is 6-7ft long
[21:28:44] <zeeshan> and has 4 jaw chucks that weigh half as much as this lathe
[21:28:45] <zeeshan> :P
[21:28:50] <PetefromTn_> and TONS of custom parts for everything you can think of.
[21:29:01] <zeeshan> andypugh: hahahahahaha
[21:29:10] <zeeshan> indian's make decent precision tools
[21:29:13] <zeeshan> groz is indian
[21:29:19] <PetefromTn_> I think if I kept it I would build a heavier base for it.
[21:29:25] <zeeshan> and theyre some of the most common squares you'll find in machine shops
[21:29:51] <PetefromTn_> The stock sheetmetal dual box stand it really cheap.
[21:29:55] <zeeshan> pete i'm reinforcing mine when i throw in my chip pan
[21:29:59] <PetefromTn_> It is also quite tippy.
[21:30:01] <zeeshan> i've got 1/2" x 4 " flat bar
[21:30:07] <zeeshan> that i'm planning to rib below it
[21:30:24] <PetefromTn_> I would at least make a custom base with wider feet spread.
[21:30:26] <zeeshan> and after seeing you guys talk about epoxy granite..
[21:30:32] <zeeshan> i'm thinking of filling it with it
[21:30:35] <andypugh> I want a Colcester Mascot. 3.5” though the spindle, 3000 rpm top speed and has an 800mm face plate with a big badge saying “not to be used above 800rpm”
[21:30:49] <jdh> mine cost $300. if it cuts anything I'll be fine
[21:30:58] <zeeshan> jdh it will
[21:31:00] <zeeshan> easily
[21:31:31] <PetefromTn_> I bought mine new on sale and got the floor model for cheaper. It was missing some parts I got ordered for free. Paid like $1200.00 I think.
[21:31:38] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOzW3q5zVU
[21:31:44] <zeeshan> thats a .175 doc
[21:31:53] <zeeshan> with a shitty hss tool bit that i didnt know how to grind at the time
[21:32:14] <jdh> mine is a 9x. weighs almost nothing
[21:32:38] <andypugh> I want a Colchester Mascot with good bearings, though. I could never afford to reoplace those 4” 3000rpm bearings, they are rather special. Colchester had their own bearing factory (Gamet)
[21:32:43] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpVB0ouezb0
[21:32:45] <PetefromTn_> I make cuts deeper than that in aluminum all the time on mine LOL..
[21:32:48] <zeeshan> 0.060 though depth of cut
[21:32:50] <zeeshan> stainless
[21:32:56] <zeeshan> can do more easily
[21:33:06] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxb7T_qQ9B4
[21:33:08] <zeeshan> started from that :P
[21:33:17] <PetefromTn_> The only problem with the 12x36 comes when you start turning larger diameter parts.
[21:33:51] <zeeshan> i think the biggest i've turned is 5" diameter steel piece
[21:34:07] <PetefromTn_> The motor does not have the power to cut very deep at the oustide edge.
[21:34:18] <zeeshan> is yours 2hp?
[21:34:29] <PetefromTn_> Its not terrible but it kinda sucks.
[21:34:32] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I think so.
[21:34:40] <zeeshan> i upgraded to 3hp
[21:34:42] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember really whatever it came with.
[21:34:47] <zeeshan> standarded is 2hp 220v
[21:34:51] <zeeshan> *standard
[21:35:00] <PetefromTn_> Motor has run great for a LONG TIME
[21:35:09] <zeeshan> honestly, the chinese motors ratings are bs
[21:35:17] <zeeshan> do you a have a clamp on load meter?
[21:35:19] <zeeshan> to measure current
[21:35:27] <PetefromTn_> I did but I blew it up LOL
[21:35:30] <zeeshan> haha
[21:35:42] <zeeshan> these motors dont even come close to drawing the amount of current needed
[21:35:45] <zeeshan> P=VI
[21:35:57] <zeeshan> you conver that to hp and account for 95% electrical loss
[21:36:00] <zeeshan> still doesnt come to 2hp
[21:36:27] <LatheBuilder> andypugh: MT extension handy to save the day?
[21:37:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I suggested.
[21:37:09] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[21:37:15] <zeeshan> should i make a custom apron
[21:37:19] <PetefromTn_> I would
[21:37:23] <zeeshan> or just modify the stock one
[21:37:27] <PetefromTn_> should be pretty easy.
[21:37:34] <zeeshan> it would be
[21:37:35] <LatheBuilder> just got back. off again now. g'nit
[21:37:39] <zeeshan> but then i gotta do so much milling
[21:37:42] <zeeshan> =[
[21:37:49] <andypugh> I worked round the problem, the point is that a fundamental part of lathe design is that thr centre and the tool can be in the same place.
[21:37:49] <LatheBuilder> e
[21:37:50] <zeeshan> the top surface of the current carriage is ground
[21:37:56] <PetefromTn_> It depends on where you wanna put that big screw.
[21:38:04] <zeeshan> well the screw is mounted
[21:38:09] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine the bottom is as well.
[21:38:22] <zeeshan> so i'd need to slot the back end of the apron
[21:38:33] <zeeshan> couple passes with the 2" face mill
[21:38:34] <PetefromTn_> You might be able to get a big angle plate and cut it to work and mount the screw to the back edge and the motor to the middle.
[21:38:38] <andypugh> zeeshan: Anyway, I made a new apron that also mounted the X-motor
[21:38:53] <zeeshan> andypugh: whyd you go with a new apron
[21:39:15] <zeeshan> what was the main driver
[21:39:22] <PetefromTn_> Out of curiosity how much you got in ballscrews?
[21:39:27] <andypugh> Because I wanted to mount the X-stepper
[21:39:32] <zeeshan> $$ ?
[21:39:40] <zeeshan> the linearmotion bearings ones cost me 200 shipped
[21:39:48] <zeeshan> theres no backlash
[21:39:51] <PetefromTn_> for both axes?
[21:39:56] <zeeshan> yes
[21:39:57] <zeeshan> w/ ball nut
[21:40:03] <PetefromTn_> single nut?
[21:40:06] <zeeshan> yes
[21:40:13] <PetefromTn_> NO backlash?
[21:40:16] <LatheBuilder> i hear you there
[21:40:17] <zeeshan> no backlash
[21:40:30] <PetefromTn_> NONE????
[21:40:37] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:40:46] <zeeshan> none that can be picked up with 0.0005 plunger indicator
[21:40:49] <zeeshan> (starrett)
[21:41:04] <PetefromTn_> that is QUITE impressive.
[21:41:09] <zeeshan> i warn you though
[21:41:11] <zeeshan> there is a defect
[21:41:15] <zeeshan> the screw isn't straight
[21:41:25] <PetefromTn_> you got wobble?
[21:41:25] <jdh> heh, mine wasn't either
[21:41:28] <zeeshan> but i think thats not cause of linearmotion bearings manufacturing defect.
[21:41:35] <zeeshan> at the cetner of the screw, it bows down
[21:41:39] <zeeshan> i think its bowing down under its own weight
[21:41:39] <andypugh> I probably have backlash, but lathes are forgiving, you probably wouldn’t notice. X backlash is hidden in the boring tool and turning tool offsets.
[21:41:46] <jdh> did you try straightening it?
[21:41:49] <zeeshan> w/ the ball nuit mounted to apron
[21:41:53] <zeeshan> i think it'll straighten out itself
[21:41:58] <zeeshan> its out by 15 thou
[21:42:02] <zeeshan> (at the dead center)
[21:42:07] <jdh> mine was more than that
[21:42:14] <zeeshan> where was yours out?
[21:42:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah I understand a Lathe does not NECESSARILY need perfect zero backlash.
[21:42:27] <andypugh> Manual lathes always have lots of backlash, it doesn’t get in the way.
[21:42:49] <zeeshan> well its not a backlash issue
[21:42:54] <jdh> it was bowed about 1/3 of the way down. then again about halfway, but 90 degrees out
[21:42:55] <zeeshan> itll be more so binding issue right?
[21:43:01] <PetefromTn_> I would be curious as to how your machine works when it is finished.
[21:43:11] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i'd like to get it cutting in 1 week
[21:43:21] <zeeshan> i have 1 week off before i gotta go back to work / research
[21:43:27] <PetefromTn_> Whaddya think of the angle plate idea?
[21:43:34] <jdh> I would think you can cut with decent accuracy on a crappy manual lathe. Not so much on a cnc'ed crappy lathe
[21:43:40] <zeeshan> i think that is a good idea
[21:43:43] <zeeshan> but my poor angle plate :{
[21:43:56] <PetefromTn_> Maybe get a cheapass chinese one and cut the piss out of it.
[21:44:00] <zeeshan> hahah
[21:44:37] <andypugh> I get my ballscrews from Zapp. http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/fsud-ballnuts/76-r16-05t3-fsud.html
[21:44:45] <zeeshan> i already tried to flatten the back end of the apron on the mill
[21:44:45] <zeeshan> man cutting cast iron is nasty
[21:44:45] <zeeshan> its dusty
[21:44:45] <zeeshan> ive only drilled it before, never milled it
[21:44:49] <PetefromTn_> Point being that the top would be ground flat to match the bottom of the apron and you just drill and tap mounting holes then you make a simple ballnut mount in back and drill and slot the face for the stepper motor.
[21:45:15] <andypugh> $46 for the nut and about £4 per 100mm length of screw.
[21:45:16] <PetefromTn_> Oh I know I machined a BUNCH on my RF45 when i built the one shot oiler setup.
[21:45:29] <PetefromTn_> It is NASTY stuff but cuts easy.
[21:45:31] <zeeshan> its like breathing in hiv
[21:45:46] <andypugh> I love CI.
[21:45:48] <zeeshan> i was wearing a respirator milling it
[21:45:48] <zeeshan> haha
[21:45:59] <XXCoder> hmm
[21:46:06] <tjtr33> where are (DEBUG, #somevar ) printed? in the terminal running my RIP , in AXIS? I dont see anything
[21:46:06] <XXCoder> joint 2 following error?
[21:46:34] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i might need your advice about quick shot oiler
[21:46:40] <PetefromTn_> If you did it with the angle plate you could attach side plates to cover the the motor and ballnut some more like in that video and the angle plate would add some more weight and mass back.
[21:46:41] <andypugh> It’s my favourite material. Stong, stable, dependable. I just live with the fact it is filthy :-)
[21:46:50] <XXCoder> how do I fix following error?
[21:47:18] <zeeshan> i'm liking this angle plate idea
[21:47:23] <andypugh> XXCoder: stepper or servo>
[21:47:30] <XXCoder> steppers
[21:47:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah and they are pretty cheap.
[21:47:43] <zeeshan> damn it
[21:47:46] <zeeshan> theyre expensive locally
[21:47:56] <zeeshan> http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/accusizetools/the-762/2200-dsh-0904%2C--6%22-X/Detail
[21:48:20] <zeeshan> thats my resident import store
[21:48:26] <PetefromTn_> No man not a PRECISIOn angle plate just a cheapass ground cast iron one.
[21:48:43] <zeeshan> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/ANGLE-PLATE-SLOTTED-6IN..html
[21:48:45] <zeeshan> oh
[21:48:47] <zeeshan> one of these
[21:48:49] <zeeshan> 40$
[21:49:01] <zeeshan> i like how it says 'machine finish'
[21:49:05] <zeeshan> =D
[21:49:13] <zeeshan> 0.015" machine finish
[21:49:34] <andypugh> XXCoder Check the INI/HAL files and make sure the stepgen accel and velocity are a bit bigger than axis accel and velocity. But the most likely issue is that your axis speeds demand pulse rates that your base thread rate can’t follow.
[21:49:42] <zeeshan> im gonna sit and look at the apron for a bit
[21:49:49] <zeeshan> maybe i can figure out an easier way to get it complete tonight
[21:49:51] <XXCoder> andy ok will check
[21:49:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah but get a solid one.
[21:49:53] <zeeshan> without having to go buy stuff :D
[21:50:07] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: cnc mill me an apron
[21:50:07] <zeeshan> :D
[21:50:08] <zeeshan> haha
[21:50:18] <PetefromTn_> Sure man how big ya want it///
[21:50:22] <zeeshan> haha
[21:50:26] <jdh> Andy: 6mm screw for the X?
[21:50:30] <PetefromTn_> get out your checkbook...
[21:50:39] <PetefromTn_> and bend over.
[21:50:43] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[21:51:32] <zeeshan> i should setup my laptop in the garage
[21:51:36] <zeeshan> so i dont keep on having to come to my room
[21:51:38] <PetefromTn_> I do all the time.
[21:51:48] <zeeshan> i fear the metal dust will short something out in it
[21:51:49] <zeeshan> haha
[21:51:58] <PetefromTn_> you grinding stuff?
[21:52:01] <zeeshan> its my 'car tuning laptop'
[21:52:05] <zeeshan> well that cast iron dust man
[21:52:09] <zeeshan> it gets everywhere
[21:52:16] <zeeshan> i tried even spraying it with cutting oil
[21:52:17] <zeeshan> and it still dusts
[21:52:26] <zeeshan> it needs a consistent coolant spray
[21:52:27] <PetefromTn_> Did you see my posts earlier about the Mazda performance shop I went to today?
[21:52:33] <zeeshan> no
[21:52:50] <PetefromTn_> Oh man you would have been like a kid in a Candy store LOL.
[21:53:01] <zeeshan> whats the name of the shop?
[21:53:02] <PetefromTn_> Twin Turbo RX7's everywhere you looked.
[21:53:09] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember damnit.
[21:53:22] <PetefromTn_> they musta had like eight of them there.
[21:53:23] <zeeshan> stock rx7's are twin turbo
[21:53:26] <zeeshan> w/ the rotary
[21:53:28] <andypugh> zeeshan: This thread might explain why I made a new apron, but to confuse matters all the photos show both the old and the new apron fitted at the same time. The point was to get the X-motor tucked under the carriage, out if the way, http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mini-lathe/63621-mini-lathe-cross-slide-ballscrew-solutions-post509784.html#post509784
[21:53:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but these were built.
[21:53:54] <PetefromTn_> some were more streetcars.
[21:54:19] <PetefromTn_> I can see why you like that car. Its a sweet ride.
[21:54:29] <zeeshan> i love it now man!
[21:54:32] <zeeshan> after getting rid of the rotary
[21:54:35] <zeeshan> those engines blow up so easily
[21:54:50] <PetefromTn_> really I always heard they were kickass motors.
[21:54:50] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: check this out
[21:54:53] <zeeshan> no man
[21:54:59] <zeeshan> its a nightmare motor
[21:55:19] <PetefromTn_> they got one pushing 800 HP apparently in there they were working on.
[21:55:24] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/rotary/damage/engineapart.jpg
[21:55:27] <zeeshan> thats a rotary engine
[21:55:32] <XXCoder> andy everything is in [axis_0] so on header?
[21:55:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have seen them.
[21:55:59] <zeeshan> theres 3 piece apex seals, 6 face seals, 2 oil seals, each face seal has a spring behind it
[21:56:00] <PetefromTn_> They had a bunch there apart being built.
[21:56:04] <zeeshan> if any one of those seals fails
[21:56:14] <zeeshan> which they do very easily cause the carbon gets behind the seal and jams the spring
[21:56:27] <zeeshan> the motor blows up
[21:56:29] <zeeshan> and needs a rebuild
[21:56:34] <XXCoder> I have max velocity, max accelration, stepgen maxaccel but no stepgen gen
[21:56:42] <PetefromTn_> I know you can port the shit out of them and push some serious power tho.
[21:56:44] <zeeshan> its not like your stanraded 2 compression rings and 1 oil ring type of deal
[21:56:49] <XXCoder> er velocity
[21:56:51] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: they're great for racing!
[21:56:57] <zeeshan> they just wont last more than 20,000 miles
[21:57:05] <zeeshan> v8 ftw!!!
[21:57:10] <zeeshan> i have to go my friends just randomly showed up
[21:57:13] <zeeshan> brb later tonight
[21:57:27] <PetefromTn_> cya
[22:05:12] <XXCoder> hey andy?
[22:06:11] <andypugh> Sorry, very late here
[22:06:19] <XXCoder> np
[22:06:21] <malcom2073> andypugh: I got all three axis hooked up instead of just one, and ran some sample gcode through it, I think This will be a viable solution at lower speeds to get me up and running until I get around to either buying a mesa, or looking into the BBB more. Thanks for explaining stuff :-D
[22:06:27] <andypugh> Like, 4am
[22:07:15] <tjtr33> I get no (debug, blah) to print until i set #5599=1. is that standard?
[22:07:17] <tjtr33> an obscure note said to do this & it works, i get (debug, blah ) to print now
[22:08:14] <andypugh> malcom2073: it;’s just a matter of choosing the limits appropriately. But you need some background to do that. Your machine spends 95% of the time on slow G1 moves, having slow rapids probably isn’t a huge penalty.
[22:08:46] <malcom2073> Right, but my intention is to have my "slow" g1's be 100mm/sec... down the line. 40mm/sec is fine for me for now
[22:08:49] <andypugh> tjtr33: That sounds strange, very strange,
[22:08:52] <malcom2073> And it seems to run at 40 very well
[22:12:36] <XXCoder> well
[22:12:43] <XXCoder> it runs pretty good if but slower
[22:13:54] <andypugh> Night all
[22:14:00] <XXCoder> night and thnks
[22:33:29] <XXCoder> gonna research later see how I can test increasing speed
[22:33:45] <XXCoder> so can be faster but still good quality.
[23:00:09] <XXCoder> https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31.0-8/1909436_430750957069813_7509386805377251206_o.jpg
[23:00:15] <XXCoder> my cnc electric system
[23:00:19] <XXCoder> worked just great
[23:16:51] <PetefromTn_> Congrats man.
[23:16:58] <XXCoder> thanks :)
[23:18:15] <PetefromTn_> Man figuring out what to do with these dovetails is a beotch.
[23:18:53] <XXCoder> question
[23:19:03] <XXCoder> is it safe to just power off cnc?
[23:19:18] <PetefromTn_> power off what?
[23:19:20] <XXCoder> right now its just directly wired so no switch
[23:19:25] <XXCoder> cnc electric system
[23:19:38] <PetefromTn_> is it interfaced with computer?
[23:19:50] <XXCoder> not atm, stowed away for now
[23:20:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I suppose so.
[23:20:02] <XXCoder> just unsure when its safe to power off, and such
[23:20:19] <XXCoder> and evenually I want to add switch so can turn off and not unplug
[23:20:43] <PetefromTn_> I shut down my VMC by putting the control in Estop and shutting down the servos enable.
[23:20:55] <PetefromTn_> Then I shutdown the LinuxCNC computer.
[23:21:16] <PetefromTn_> Finally I go back to the back and flip the main power switch once the computer is fully shutdown.
[23:21:39] <XXCoder> how do i shut down steppers if theres any special anything for those
[23:22:16] <PetefromTn_> Turning it on I just flip the switch, computer starts automatically and boots directly to linuxCNC. Once it is up I just hit the enable servo physical button to enable the drives and then I hit the system on computer button to enable LinuxCNC control.
[23:22:36] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I have never even used a stepper so I am not the one to ask.
[23:22:42] <XXCoder> lol ok
[23:22:52] <XXCoder> I suppose just turning it off would do fine
[23:23:01] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine there is no problem removing power to the drives
[23:23:05] <XXCoder> or in my case, unplug. lol
[23:23:28] <XXCoder> be back in a bit
[23:23:34] <PetefromTn_> I would think that should be fine.
[23:23:38] <PetefromTn_> OK
[23:23:54] <XXCoder> dishes calling. :P
[23:24:51] <PetefromTn_> Nice..
[23:24:54] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[23:25:10] <PetefromTn_> I do the dishes here too don't feel bad. Wifey does the cooking.
[23:25:36] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna hit the sack talk tomorrow guys. Nite
[23:49:11] <XXCoder> back
[23:49:13] <XXCoder> fun