#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-21

[00:12:55] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/HIQBE
[00:12:57] <zeeshan> i'm thinking
[00:13:01] <zeeshan> instead of buying a vertical bandsaw
[00:13:09] <zeeshan> i should just deal with using the blue one in vertical mode
[00:13:19] <zeeshan> and instead start saving up for buying sheet metal bending tools
[00:13:27] <zeeshan> would be nice to make my own enclosures
[00:17:34] * Jymmm lol @ zeeshan
[00:17:45] <zeeshan> why you laughing at me :{
[00:18:01] <zeeshan> im thinking of only buying stuff that offers full functionality
[00:18:30] <zeeshan> realistically, i can cut most stuff on the mill instead of bandsaw
[00:18:50] <zeeshan> the main reason i wanted a vertical bandsaw was for this:
[00:18:51] <Jymmm> you're buying a hooker?
[00:19:02] <zeeshan> haha you;re laughing at me pulling a shaun
[00:19:02] <zeeshan> ROFL
[00:19:07] <zeeshan> i didnt even realize
[00:19:29] <zeeshan> http://www.roadraceengineering.com/parts/tweekerparts/donuts.jpg
[00:19:34] <zeeshan> cutting this stuff requires a vertical bandsaw
[00:19:39] <zeeshan> i hate using the miter for it.
[00:20:04] <Jymmm> you just said you are going to use the table from the grn saw on the blue one, wth you thinking now?!
[00:20:36] <zeeshan> the problem is
[00:20:42] <zeeshan> that table is fine for cutting flat stock
[00:20:50] <zeeshan> but asap you try to put curved stuff like that donut i posted
[00:20:58] <zeeshan> it shakes everything
[00:21:05] <zeeshan> i guess i should try it first on this machine then decide.
[00:21:16] <Jymmm> Make a thicker table and mounts then
[00:21:50] <zeeshan> its got an 11 inch throat
[00:21:57] <zeeshan> so i think itll be fine for the majority of stuff i can ever imagine
[00:22:04] <zeeshan> so its worth making a thicker table for it
[02:13:43] <Deejay> moin
[03:14:02] <archivist> playtime http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/
[07:18:56] <XXCoder> zeeshan: related to discussion yeserday lol https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/l/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1011799_799027256784954_2968978455914325637_n.jpg
[07:40:25] <shaun413> Morning!
[07:40:56] <shaun413> Lol xxcoder
[07:46:41] <jdh> so, how about that cheapass HF 7x lathe
[07:50:59] <Jymmm> How NOT to pick a lawyer/doctor... They are seen in "Super Lawyer" or "Super Doctor"
[07:52:29] <Jymmm> You pay $1000, submit the article you wrote, and they publish it.
[07:53:38] <_methods> sounds like higher education
[07:55:22] <Jymmm> lol
[07:55:33] <_methods> hehe
[07:55:37] <Jymmm> Wait, I think it's jumped up now to $5000
[07:55:49] <_methods> publish and profit
[07:55:54] <Jymmm> http://www.superlawyers.com/about/print_platinumprofile.html
[07:56:13] <Jymmm> photographer and copyeditor included now
[07:59:21] <shaun413> Didn't get it jdh
[08:05:27] <Jymmm> WTF... GM, calling itself “New GM,” also said in its April 15 motion with the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas that a stay is necessary because “Old GM,” the company that built the 2006 Cobalt, no longer exists after its post-bailout bankruptcy reorganization in 2009.
[08:05:47] <_methods> yes
[08:05:53] <shaun413> Ha
[08:05:55] <_methods> so we can't be held accountable
[08:06:13] <_methods> so sorry
[08:06:14] <_methods> come again
[08:07:03] <Jymmm> So, I can kill someone, file BK, and it's all good?
[08:07:19] <_methods> yep
[08:07:23] <_methods> but companies are people
[08:07:39] <_methods> that can't be held accountable
[08:07:52] <_methods> so yeah just incorporate yourself
[08:07:57] <_methods> go on a dexter spree
[08:07:57] * Jymmm Inc, a LLC
[08:08:03] <_methods> file for bankruptcy
[08:08:09] <_methods> and get pardoned
[08:08:30] <_methods> new Jymmm llc
[08:08:42] <_methods> can't be held accountable for old Jymmm llc
[08:08:51] <_methods> he was nuts
[08:08:57] <shaun413> Shaun llc
[08:08:58] <Jymmm> woohoo... PROFIT!
[08:10:20] <_methods> then you take that profit and publish some super lawyer stuff
[08:10:40] <_methods> and start an insurance company
[08:10:42] <Jymmm> Super Car 2.0
[08:10:56] <_methods> it's a money feedback cycle
[08:11:07] <_methods> and you can be in the middle of it all jerkin off on america
[08:11:40] <_methods> or as i like to call it the cash vortex
[08:11:44] <Jymmm> But would NJ even notice the difference?
[08:11:57] <witnit> does this mean they dont have to pay back any loans from the US citizens?
[08:12:06] <_methods> pay back?
[08:12:16] <_methods> that money was owed to them
[08:12:21] <_methods> they are too big to fail
[08:12:23] <witnit> yeah when they auto industry was bailed out
[08:12:30] <_methods> they weren't bailed out
[08:12:33] <_methods> they were bailing america out
[08:12:39] <_methods> one ash tray at a time
[08:12:55] <_methods> can you tell i'm bitter
[08:13:01] <shaun413> You are from nj?
[08:13:20] <_methods> luckily for you i'm not
[08:13:36] <shaun413> :p
[08:15:58] <Jymmm> Man, "Thomson Reuters" scares the crap out of me. They are a hella smart PR + firm
[08:17:48] <Jymmm> These ppl have scientists on staff!
[08:17:56] <shaun413> !
[08:18:11] <shaun413> Try CNN :p
[08:18:22] <shaun413> ^is a joke
[08:18:29] <shaun413> Don't subject yourself
[08:23:43] <Jymmm> "A "secret warranty" program, also known as a "silent recall," is a program where a car manufacturer offers repairs for free or at a discounted price to some, but not all, of its customers."
[08:40:48] <_methods> http://www.amechanicalmind.com/
[08:44:39] <Jymmm> https://img1.etsystatic.com/031/0/6161932/il_fullxfull.590955333_afil.jpg
[08:45:03] <Jymmm> https://img1.etsystatic.com/040/0/6161932/il_fullxfull.590954311_if96.jpg
[08:46:03] <_methods> yeah
[08:46:08] <_methods> that spider is awesome
[08:46:47] * _methods would love to go dig around junkyard for cool project like that
[08:47:02] <_methods> but alas i have like 5 projects going at one time as it is
[09:40:13] <shaun413> Hi
[09:57:45] <cradek> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/04/bear-on-stairs/
[10:50:11] <shaun413> Hi
[10:56:00] <jdh> hello shaun, how are you this fine day.
[10:56:06] <shaun413> Excellent
[11:01:11] <jdh> what are you thinking someone will pay you to make?
[11:01:23] <jdh> and will you be running linuxcnc on it?
[11:01:37] <shaun413> With?
[11:01:43] <humble_sea_bass> glib globs and whatevermajigs
[11:02:03] <shaun413> I'll make sea bass
[11:02:34] <humble_sea_bass> sorry you;ll have to buy me dinner, and even then not till the 3rd date
[11:02:46] <shaun413> Oh damn
[11:02:52] <humble_sea_bass> so like TLC said, no scrubs
[11:03:07] <shaun413> OK come to ru
[11:03:33] <humble_sea_bass> you expect me to get around on your bus pass?
[11:04:19] <shaun413> Pass?
[11:05:04] <humble_sea_bass> your knowledge of rap is right next to your knowledge of machining, that is to say non-existent
[11:05:15] <shaun413> Indeed
[11:05:46] <humble_sea_bass> anyways, i'm gonna get back to work. Get better.
[11:06:07] <shaun413> Cya
[11:48:49] <Gigs-> new york city, 1977
[11:57:38] <zeeshan> XXCoder: haha
[11:57:47] <XXCoder> love that comic lol
[12:01:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Seiki-VM-40-/271456197388 these go for 10-15k used working at this age
[12:01:59] <Gigs-> or less
[12:02:21] <XXCoder> still exists I see
[12:02:32] <XXCoder> no bids either
[12:02:38] <Gigs-> it would take the right buyer to be able to move it and power it
[12:02:49] <Gigs-> not something joe bob can put in his shed
[12:03:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vectrax-CNC-Mill-/301125322810 Vectrax CNC Mill $4k
[12:03:09] <zeeshan> a little too big for the garage =D
[12:03:18] <XXCoder> use time lord tech
[12:03:23] <Gigs-> I wonder if it could even run off a phase converter
[12:03:29] <Gigs-> do you have any idea of the amps
[12:04:03] <Gigs-> people do do it though... I found some forum posts where a guy was setting a used one up more or less DIY
[12:04:34] <Gigs-> he had some problems because he didn't bond the grounds between the control and the machine because they were run off separate panels and he was afraid to, so he had floating voltages
[12:04:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HITACHI-SEIKI-VM-40-/201072689218 another one that actually working for the same price
[12:05:07] <Gigs-> if the "broken door borad" listing is honest, that ones probably an easy fix if you can do board level electronics
[12:05:14] <CaptHindsight> isn't pete moving to FL?
[12:05:55] <CaptHindsight> "MACHINE DOES NOT RUN NEEDS SPINDLE DRIVE" sorry missed that
[12:06:22] <XXCoder> shhh
[12:06:26] <Gigs-> once the local HVAC guy brought me a wood mill saw controller box to fix... I'm not sure what he expected, but when I returned it to him a week later with a $150 invoice, he seemed surprised
[12:06:57] <Gigs-> I was thinking to myself... you charge me $250 ever time you come fix my heat pump even if it only takes an hour so screw you
[12:07:35] <Gigs-> not many people in this town would have the high power mosfets you needed to fix his saw controller just laying around :P
[12:07:55] <zeeshan> you guys play around with a tenths indicator?
[12:08:01] <zeeshan> thing is frigging sensitive!
[12:08:37] <Gigs-> I think my dad is going senile... the other day he told me you can't cut radiuses on a rotary table, only index holes.
[12:08:42] <Gigs-> that's wrong right?
[12:09:08] <zeeshan> you can cut radiuses on anything you want
[12:09:18] <zeeshan> using a radius tool
[12:09:18] <zeeshan> :P
[12:09:37] <Gigs-> yeah yeah, circular arc cut paths
[12:09:53] <zeeshan> http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/radius_cutters.jpg
[12:10:17] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what happens if you rotate the table while cutting?
[12:10:56] <Gigs-> it cuts a circular path...
[12:11:28] <Gigs-> maybe he thought it was just an index table or something and not a real rotary
[12:12:16] <Gigs-> though there's posts on the net of people cutting arcs with freely rotating tables, using a long handle, scary but they say it's safe if you go easy
[12:12:37] <Gigs-> seems kind of pointless with the price of used rotary tables being what they are
[12:13:30] <Gigs-> the one I got was $400 and is a massive heavy boat anchor made in japan in what appears to be the 1960s or so
[12:13:49] <Gigs-> $80 of that was shipping heh
[12:14:31] <Gigs-> did you know UPS charges an extra fee for things in wood boxes?
[12:14:55] <Gigs-> seems like they'd want to encourage wood crates instead of people boxing too-heavy stuff in cardboard, but oh well
[12:15:17] <Gigs-> I guess you could always wrap the wood crate in a cardboard box
[12:15:25] <XXCoder> or cardboard 2x thick with wood reforcement
[12:15:36] <Gigs-> yeah or chop up a gaylord
[12:15:43] <Gigs-> that gaylord triwall might as well be wood
[12:16:26] <Gigs-> it's at least as strong as half inch plywood
[12:17:58] <Gigs-> I watched a "how it's made" last night and they were making rawhide lampshades... I had serious spot welder envy
[12:18:44] <Gigs-> their spot welder would take 1/3 inch spring temper rod and they'd overlap the ends slightly, the thing would melt the stacked ends right down back to single diameter
[12:19:12] <Gigs-> you know, that IRIX power supply with 345 amps at 3.45 volts.... mmmm
[12:19:23] <Gigs-> I wonder if it would trip off if I made it into a spot welder
[12:23:13] <XXCoder> https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1236881_606200082798667_321257600840896550_n.jpg
[12:23:16] <XXCoder> youre welcome.
[12:23:55] <XXCoder> anyway more seriously http://interestingengineering.com/the-building-eating-robot/
[12:24:02] <XXCoder> amazing, a house unprinter
[12:34:30] <Gigs-> just wait until it's tiny autonomous robots
[12:34:52] <Gigs-> that'd probably be regulated as a weapon though hehe
[12:34:57] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres a point where humans would wipe themselves out but cities would keep rebuilding
[12:35:17] <XXCoder> evenually theres perfect unused cities on earth. I bet aliens would be hella spooked
[12:35:37] <Gigs-> you'd have to have machines that can repair machines of the same sort as themselves
[12:35:50] <Gigs-> something has to "close the loop" at some point for that to happen
[12:35:55] <XXCoder> yeah. it would have to have ability to fix each other too
[12:36:07] <XXCoder> there have to be mining machines, scrapper, so on
[12:36:25] <XXCoder> if power sources is all solar and they can keep it maintanced it can be forever
[12:36:35] <XXCoder> more or less forever anyway
[12:37:26] <XXCoder> I remember one scifi story - humans is very old species, and group of humans find one ship thats been floating in space damaged for million+ years
[12:38:00] <XXCoder> its repair system kept running but million of years theres slight nanomachine rebuild errors, result was rounded, slightly melted look
[12:43:11] <XXCoder> Gigs-: other future possibility heh http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2551
[12:44:41] <shaun413> Hi
[12:49:24] <Gigs-> my wife has some cosmetic product that is in a pump bottle that is like a test tube in the center, surrounded by a larger shroud
[12:49:45] <Gigs-> 1.4 ounces or something in the size of a bottle that could hold 7 ounces at least
[12:50:14] <XXCoder> lol
[12:50:20] <XXCoder> bottles. all way down
[12:50:55] <Gigs-> the irony is that the bottle probably cost more than 6 ounces of whatever cheap crap they put in it
[12:51:07] <XXCoder> bottle sells
[12:51:13] <Gigs-> but I guess the idea is people would run out quicker and it looks artsy and fancy
[12:51:50] <Gigs-> cosmetics is a weird industry, 10 cents of common industrial chemicals with a 1000x markup, yet it's a very hard market to break into
[12:52:40] <XXCoder> some stuff isnt just industual
[12:52:46] <XXCoder> they actually use natural stuff
[12:52:53] <XXCoder> like whale shit and vomit
[12:53:00] <Gigs-> for some definition of natural
[12:53:06] <XXCoder> vomit can make you couple thousand bucks if you find it
[12:53:17] <Gigs-> not if you sell it at the amusement park
[12:54:05] <Gigs-> the funny thing is that when it comes to highly refined oils, vitamin A is considered a contaminant... remove it from there, sell it in cosmetics and suppliments :)
[12:54:35] <XXCoder> lol
[12:55:57] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:56:54] <XXCoder> hey IchGuckLive
[12:57:04] <XXCoder> what stuff in home depot can act like rails?
[12:57:09] <XXCoder> tried to ask but you left lol
[12:58:35] <Gigs-> rails for what
[12:58:41] <XXCoder> cnc rputer
[12:58:47] <XXCoder> router
[12:59:49] <Gigs-> you could use round bar stock they sell at somewhat high prices, and they might have some bronze sleeve bearings you could use as linear bearings
[13:00:24] <XXCoder> thats what I thought but ich might have different idea
[13:00:33] <shaun413> hi guys
[13:01:02] <Gigs-> stuff is way cheaper if you can drive to a metal supplier
[13:01:33] <XXCoder> I bet
[13:02:06] <Gigs-> I was in a nearby town for a doctor's appt and decided to stop by the metal place, asked them about 4140 round 1 inch, and they said they only had 12 foot lengths, $40... I was like... "per foot??"
[13:02:06] <XXCoder> I might have a idea - 2 L beams that has linear bearings on both sides and edge
[13:02:15] <Gigs-> they meant the whole thing :)
[13:02:54] <Gigs-> $10 cut fee and they chopped it up to fit in my pickup
[13:03:13] <XXCoder> 12 foot $40?
[13:03:22] <XXCoder> one inch alum?
[13:03:28] <Gigs-> 4140 alloy steel
[13:03:35] <XXCoder> oh wow pretty cheap
[13:03:42] <XXCoder> if I remember pricing correct
[13:04:32] <Gigs-> yeah it's a good price
[13:04:55] <XXCoder> heh if I had and jknew how to use lathe I'd make rail myself
[13:04:57] <Gigs-> aluminum plate is still expensive though
[13:05:11] <XXCoder> just need smooth all same dia rods
[13:05:17] <Gigs-> 4x6 foot 1/2 inch aluminum was $550
[13:05:28] <XXCoder> large.
[13:05:40] <XXCoder> I doubt I will ever need something that large lol
[13:05:41] <Gigs-> I didn't buy it because I wanted a 4x4
[13:05:55] <Gigs-> but they didn't want to cut the sheet in anything other than half if I wasn't going to buy the whole thing
[13:06:02] <Gigs-> it was a 4x12 from the mill
[13:07:11] <IchGuckLive> BBQ im off BYE
[13:07:30] <XXCoder> bah wish he'd answer my question lol
[13:07:47] <Gigs-> trying to cobble stuff together from home improvement stores sucks xxcoder
[13:07:55] <Gigs-> you need to either find a local place or order stuff
[13:07:58] <XXCoder> yeah
[13:08:07] <XXCoder> do local places for SBR16 even exist?
[13:08:19] <XXCoder> or even cnc screws, etc with rail set
[13:08:22] <Gigs-> probably
[13:08:29] <XXCoder> I dont even know how to find
[13:10:17] <Gigs-> it's harder to find that stuff because a lot of it is sold through non-catalog industrial suppliers
[13:10:46] <Gigs-> but for standard bearings and stock you can find a local source no problem
[13:10:57] <shaun413> basic tooling chink alorirs type, tail stock, and bench.
[13:10:59] <shaun413> what is this^
[13:11:06] <shaun413> basic tooling chink alorirs type, tail stock, and bench.
[13:11:07] <archivist> some sellers are on ebay, search on ebay by distance nearest first
[13:11:10] <shaun413> woops
[13:11:16] <XXCoder> arch ok checking
[13:11:17] <shaun413> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4431242849.html
[13:11:24] <shaun413> this guy said thats what it comes with
[13:12:06] <archivist> dork could not even get the picture the right way round
[13:12:33] <shaun413> :/
[13:12:43] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[13:12:43] <Gigs-> shaun413 you should ask if it comes with a normal tailstock or just that live center thing that's in the picture
[13:12:47] <archivist> but southbend lathes are ok
[13:13:15] <shaun413> he said it comes with a tailstock
[13:13:44] <archivist> bit expensive for its age perhaps
[13:13:55] <shaun413> ah
[13:13:59] <Gigs-> the alloris goes with quick change
[13:14:04] <Gigs-> he put a period in the wrong spot
[13:14:06] <shaun413> what is an alloris?
[13:14:10] <Gigs-> it should say alloris quick change system
[13:14:23] <shaun413> I see
[13:14:33] <Gigs-> it's a tool post locking deal
[13:14:40] <Gigs-> you can leave your bits set up and change the whole side
[13:14:54] <shaun413> neat
[13:15:00] <Gigs-> depending on how many of the side things you have
[13:15:04] <shaun413> right
[13:15:25] <archivist> has the screw cutting gearbox
[13:15:43] <Gigs-> you'd really have to go see the machine
[13:15:57] <shaun413> I wouldnt know what to look for...
[13:16:11] <Gigs-> the ways close to the chuck look like they might be eaten up
[13:16:18] <Gigs-> can't tell the picture is crappy
[13:16:36] <Gigs-> on some school lathes people chewed the ways down to nothing close to the chuck
[13:16:45] <shaun413> I asked for more pics
[13:16:47] <shaun413> didnt send
[13:16:54] <Gigs-> he seems barely computer literate
[13:17:05] <Gigs-> you should just call him and go see the lathe if you really want to know
[13:17:14] <shaun413> yeah.
[13:17:31] <Gigs-> 4 foot is kind of small
[13:17:43] <shaun413> Ive never owned one , so IDK what im looking at TBH
[13:17:56] <shaun413> I dont have room for anything bigger
[13:18:06] <archivist> find a local lathe user to help you
[13:18:15] <Gigs-> well you want a normal tailstock with a taper in it, so you'd look for that
[13:18:27] <shaun413> ok
[13:18:32] <shaun413> live center?
[13:18:35] <shaun413> IIRC?
[13:18:43] <Gigs-> don't worry about what comes with the tailstock that's easy to buy
[13:18:53] <Gigs-> as long as he has the normal one and not just that centering ring thing
[13:19:06] <archivist> rotated pic http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/00808_jASJErsUOVC_600x450.jpg crap lo res
[13:19:21] <shaun413> OK
[13:19:31] <shaun413> I did ask what came additional with it
[13:19:36] <shaun413> and he said tailstock so...
[13:19:39] <archivist> that is a steady, mine does not have it
[13:19:50] <Gigs-> oh that's what it's called, thanks
[13:20:31] <Gigs-> check the condition of the ways obviously... that dark spot near the chuck looks concerning
[13:20:33] <shaun413> is that a good lathe though?
[13:20:52] <XXCoder> Gigs-: I do think using solid rods is best way to make rails, but I'm uncertain how to build roller thing that slides on rod
[13:20:57] <shaun413> Gigs-, I think thats a reflection
[13:21:18] <XXCoder> or maybe I should make moving bed. easier since I could just use drawer bearings
[13:21:32] <XXCoder> definitely down in quality but hey they're supercheeapo
[13:21:36] <Gigs-> you don't need a roller xxcoder
[13:21:43] <Gigs-> you can use bronze sleeves
[13:21:45] <archivist> they are a reasonable lathe but can be worn, mine is badly worn but still manages good work
[13:21:47] <shaun413> what should i offer?
[13:21:58] <XXCoder> Gigs-: near zero clearance?
[13:22:09] <XXCoder> with good grease I suppose it would smoothly slide
[13:22:20] <Gigs-> the bronze has oil in it
[13:22:44] <shaun413> what can you do to test if the ways are worn?
[13:22:44] <XXCoder> could you link to it? home depot has link
[13:22:48] <XXCoder> *website
[13:23:05] <Gigs-> http://www.homedepot.com/p/The-Hillman-Group-1-4-x-3-8-x-1-Bronze-Sleeve-Bearings-882744/202242825
[13:23:30] <XXCoder> how do I attach something to it though
[13:23:39] <Gigs-> well that's the tricky part
[13:23:57] <Gigs-> you'd need to press fit it into a precise hole :P
[13:23:59] <XXCoder> also does it says one inch does it mean its interior hole is one inch?
[13:24:20] <Gigs-> no that one is 1/4 inch inside, 3/8 ouside and 1 inch long
[13:24:34] <shaun413> archivist, you ahve this lathe?
[13:24:36] <shaun413> is it a 9a?
[13:24:55] <Gigs-> XXCoder: I guess you could slip it into a block and then hold it with a few set screws
[13:24:59] <archivist> no mine is a bigger one
[13:25:08] <XXCoder> yeah That was what I was thinking.
[13:25:21] <shaun413> i see
[13:25:24] <archivist> grown up southbend http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_15_Adcock_Shipley/IMG_1251.JPG
[13:25:41] <Gigs-> XXCoder: I mean obviously it's not the ideal solution but if you are seriously considering drawer glides then it's probably better than that
[13:25:43] <XXCoder> wow it grew well ;)
[13:26:09] <XXCoder> gigs when its moving bed drawer glides would work well. 4 of em in parallel
[13:26:21] <Gigs-> those are cheap riveted plastic rollers
[13:26:27] <shaun413> thats a huge lathe
[13:26:54] <XXCoder> theres other type that uses bearings
[13:27:07] <XXCoder> ikea has em lol can just buy em as is without any drawers
[13:27:27] <Gigs-> just order a few bags of small plain bearings
[13:27:39] <Gigs-> the small ones are pretty cheap
[13:27:45] <XXCoder> ok
[13:28:07] <XXCoder> I do prefer sbr rails pretty lot more
[13:28:15] <shaun413> anyone know how to make a rough but fine surface on glass?
[13:28:16] <Gigs-> are all the sbr metric?
[13:28:37] <XXCoder> so if there was local supply I'd get em if cheaper than chinese product + shipping
[13:28:39] <shaun413> something that would make a matte type surface
[13:28:42] <XXCoder> seems so
[13:28:45] <Gigs-> shaun413: etched glass? its done with hydroflouric acid
[13:28:47] <shaun413> but allow for some roughness
[13:28:55] <XXCoder> I already told ya, acid
[13:28:57] <shaun413> I need it to be slightly rough
[13:29:03] <shaun413> acid will do that?
[13:29:06] <Gigs-> HF will
[13:29:06] <XXCoder> you keep asking same questions over and over
[13:29:16] <Gigs-> you can get HF at wal mart, it's called rust stain remover
[13:29:18] <shaun413> where can I get HF?
[13:29:26] <Gigs-> it's in the laundry and cleaning section
[13:29:29] <XXCoder> Gigs-: nice, didnt know that
[13:29:32] <shaun413> is it safe?
[13:29:35] <Gigs-> no
[13:29:37] <Gigs-> HF is never safe
[13:29:41] <XXCoder> heck no. acid!
[13:29:41] <shaun413> ?
[13:29:42] <Gigs-> don't get it on your skin
[13:29:46] <shaun413> well yes
[13:29:50] <XXCoder> buy ruvbber washing gloves
[13:29:51] <shaun413> I mean relatively
[13:30:04] <Gigs-> it will penetrate your skin and attack the calcium in your bones, you may not know you have a burn until your bones just disintegrate
[13:30:15] <Gigs-> so yeah, be careful
[13:30:28] <shaun413> wow
[13:30:32] <XXCoder> Gigs-: should rubber dishwash gloves be suffecent?
[13:30:41] <XXCoder> I remember yes but.. been long years
[13:30:46] <Gigs-> yeah just keep it off your skin
[13:31:03] <shaun413> would snadpaper work?
[13:31:05] <shaun413> sand*
[13:31:14] <XXCoder> yes/no
[13:31:15] <Gigs-> it wouldn't be as uniform as etching
[13:31:19] <XXCoder> exactly
[13:31:33] <Gigs-> glass is almost as hard as sandpaper anyway
[13:31:42] <Gigs-> you'd be better off using bulk abrasive
[13:31:50] <shaun413> hm
[13:31:58] <shaun413> like emery?
[13:32:00] <Gigs-> otherwise you'll burn through sandpaper quickly
[13:32:05] <XXCoder> buy several cheapass peices of glass, or use store jars, acid etch those first at various time lengths
[13:32:15] <XXCoder> see what what time makes finish you like
[13:32:28] <shaun413> I dont want to fool with acid if I dont have to...
[13:32:44] <Gigs-> go steal a handful of sand from a playground
[13:32:50] <XXCoder> know your poison hotline
[13:33:00] <shaun413> what would sand do?
[13:33:09] <XXCoder> think about it.
[13:33:12] <XXCoder> sand...paper..
[13:33:14] <shaun413> well...
[13:33:16] <Gigs-> just saying bulk abrasive would be quicker than sandpaper
[13:33:21] <shaun413> Oh
[13:33:24] <shaun413> like blasting?
[13:33:29] <Gigs-> yes like blasting media
[13:33:37] <shaun413> I dont own a blaster
[13:33:42] <Gigs-> you can just scrub it on there
[13:33:45] <XXCoder> that or just directly use. rub like sandpaper.
[13:33:53] <shaun413> OH
[13:33:55] <XXCoder> use gloves because youre sanding your hand too
[13:34:04] <shaun413> yeah...
[13:34:14] <shaun413> hmm, wonder if this would work.
[13:34:16] <Gigs-> also breathing silicon dust isn't great for you
[13:34:24] <Gigs-> dust mask would be best
[13:34:37] <shaun413> I guess
[13:34:39] <shaun413> ok
[13:35:08] <Gigs-> if you need a finer surface an auto parts store has high grit sandpapers and polishing compounds
[13:35:19] <shaun413> Ok
[13:35:26] <XXCoder> frankly, acid is better in almost every respect
[13:35:42] <Gigs-> yeah it's going to be very time consuming to make a matte surface with hand sanding :P
[13:35:54] <shaun413> well
[13:35:57] <Gigs-> one big scratch in there could take you hours to buff back out
[13:35:59] <XXCoder> you can lazy up while its etching glass. just test cheapass glasses first know how long to get that finish
[13:36:12] <shaun413> Im trying to make a slightly rough surface, not just for effect
[13:36:17] <Gigs-> you could probably get real glass etching HF at a hobby store even
[13:36:18] <shaun413> for adhesion of 3d prints
[13:36:24] <XXCoder> dollar store you can buy glass vises for well duh dollah each
[13:36:48] <XXCoder> or just use your empty glass jars from food for free. clean first
[13:37:01] <shaun413> its large glass sheets
[13:37:10] <shaun413> 200mm^2
[13:37:10] <XXCoder> shaun413: its for testing
[13:37:11] <_methods> i tried blasting glass
[13:37:13] <shaun413> true
[13:37:15] <_methods> for adhesion
[13:37:18] <shaun413> did it work?
[13:37:20] <_methods> it worked too well
[13:37:23] <shaun413> HA
[13:37:23] <Gigs-> heh
[13:37:25] <shaun413> yeah...
[13:37:26] <_methods> i kept ripping chunks of glass out
[13:37:31] <XXCoder> make more sand!!
[13:37:32] <shaun413> thats a concern
[13:37:35] * _methods went back to hairspray
[13:37:36] <XXCoder> lol
[13:37:50] <shaun413> I want to find something thats permanent
[13:37:58] <shaun413> doesnt require spray
[13:37:59] <shaun413> or glue
[13:38:00] <_methods> oh it was permanent
[13:38:03] <Gigs-> you could etch with HF for just a short time
[13:38:03] <shaun413> :p
[13:38:13] <Gigs-> that would only barely change the surface
[13:38:21] <shaun413> i see
[13:38:31] <shaun413> its scary stuff though...
[13:38:45] <Gigs-> another thing you could try is dusting the glass with very fine carbon and then heating it until it almost melts
[13:38:50] <XXCoder> I etched glass before I was even teenager
[13:38:54] <Gigs-> that will cause surface recrystallization
[13:39:06] <Gigs-> that happens on high temperature lamps that get contaminated
[13:39:13] <XXCoder> just be careful, plastic cover table, use elbow long dishwashing gloves
[13:39:25] <shaun413> ah
[13:39:45] <XXCoder> wash in kitchen sink when done with just water
[13:39:49] <Gigs-> our UV curing lamps here at work turn their surface matte even when we don't want them to :P
[13:39:54] <shaun413> im thinking a coating of some kind may be better
[13:39:58] <shaun413> rather than an etching
[13:40:03] <Gigs-> surface contamination + high temperature = matte glass
[13:40:36] <Gigs-> of course those are high grade quartz glass, I don't know if typical pane glass responds the same way
[13:40:36] <XXCoder> heh I'm definitely tempted to get a kiln
[13:40:43] <Gigs-> probably does though
[13:40:51] <XXCoder> just for fun melting glass into molds or something
[13:40:54] <shaun413> hehe
[13:41:32] <Gigs-> XXCoder: are all the sbr's metric
[13:41:38] <XXCoder> Gigs-: yeah seems so
[13:41:39] <CaptHindsight> does it really have to be etched?
[13:41:57] <XXCoder> according to ich sbr16 is suffecent for pretty good router cnc
[13:42:17] <XXCoder> sbr20 is overkill unless large cnc (like 4'x8' or something) or mill steel
[13:42:37] <shaun413> I dont think it needs to be etched
[13:42:38] <CaptHindsight> is it just a matte decorative surface on glass?
[13:42:42] <shaun413> No
[13:42:45] <shaun413> its for adhesion
[13:42:49] <Gigs-> they want their 3d prints to stick
[13:42:55] <shaun413> but not too much
[13:42:59] <shaun413> unstick when wanted
[13:42:59] <CaptHindsight> oh sheesh
[13:43:03] <shaun413> and stick when wanted
[13:43:04] <shaun413> :p
[13:43:08] <shaun413> usually when Hot
[13:43:40] <CaptHindsight> I tried to teach them about adhesion years ago, they just don't listen
[13:43:41] <XXCoder> I wonder if sbr12 is enough for me
[13:43:57] <shaun413> CaptHindsight, teach me!
[13:44:12] <XXCoder> check this out http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-SBR12-1400-880-380-MM-SUPPORTED-LINEAR-RAIL-SHAFT-12-SBR12UU-Rounter-Bearing-/261058105411?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3cc8469043
[13:44:26] <XXCoder> 185 bucks free shipping
[13:44:35] <XXCoder> and its pretty large
[13:44:54] <CaptHindsight> just look up surface tension since you're just using off the shelf PLA
[13:45:12] <shaun413> I know what surface tension is
[13:45:59] <CaptHindsight> the surface tension of PLA is pretty consistent at a given temp, but they magically want their molten PLA to stick to 20C glass
[13:46:08] <shaun413> :p
[13:46:15] <shaun413> I use a heated bed
[13:46:24] <shaun413> to 50c
[13:47:16] <CaptHindsight> whats the temp of the PLA after it leaves the nozzle?
[13:47:28] <shaun413> 190c
[13:47:33] <CaptHindsight> what's the distance between the orifice and the surface?
[13:47:42] <shaun413> probably about .2mm
[13:47:45] <CaptHindsight> in the nozzle it's 190C
[13:47:45] <shaun413> .3mm
[13:47:53] <CaptHindsight> how about after it exits?
[13:47:56] <shaun413> colder
[13:48:17] <CaptHindsight> so the surface tension changes
[13:48:22] <shaun413> Yes
[13:49:16] <CaptHindsight> too high a contact angle and it doesn't adhere well
[13:49:50] <CaptHindsight> lower the angle and it will flow and adhere
[13:50:29] <shaun413> hm
[13:50:34] <shaun413> contact agnle?
[13:50:37] <shaun413> angle?
[13:51:02] <CaptHindsight> read up on surface energy and tension
[13:51:15] <shaun413> so what is it you recommend we do?
[13:51:54] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_tension
[13:52:37] <CaptHindsight> do whatever it takes to lower the contact angle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_angle
[13:53:05] <shaun413> ah
[13:53:11] <shaun413> adding more heat?
[13:54:05] <shaun413> I see
[13:57:06] <shaun413> add a surfactant?
[14:00:58] <shaun413> hm
[14:01:06] <XXCoder> HMM
[14:01:12] <XXCoder> Gigs-: would this work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vee-Wheel-Linear-Slide-V-groove-bearing-for-CNC-Cameras-Trolly-Plasma-and-Router/251492335229?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D21398%26meid%3D6366280578679497222%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9407%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291010268130&rt=nc
[14:02:03] <archivist> what definition of "work"
[14:02:15] <XXCoder> would it work as rails for cnc
[14:02:45] <archivist> depends what the cnc does
[14:03:16] <archivist> get a lathe make them yourself
[14:03:17] <shaun413> anyhting will "work"
[14:03:19] <XXCoder> wood and probably very slow alum cnc router cnc
[14:04:38] <Gigs-> why would you make more work for yourself?
[14:04:48] <Gigs-> if you are going to order from ebay just get the linear bearings
[14:05:41] <XXCoder> that is most likely yeah
[14:05:53] <XXCoder> archivist: think sbr12 would work or too weak? lol
[14:07:57] <XXCoder> man
[14:08:05] <XXCoder> rails is hardest part to make decusion on lol
[14:08:12] <XXCoder> good thing I'm on no rush.
[14:09:29] <archivist> rails are only as good as the frame they are bolted to
[14:12:05] <XXCoder> the reason I'm leaning towards sbr is because I can always use it again with upgraded frame
[14:18:30] <shaun413> Hi
[15:34:19] <witnit> this is wrong isnt it?
[15:34:21] <witnit> net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.output-22
[15:34:30] <witnit> net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.out
[15:35:31] <witnit> since im directly calling the pin, I thought it worked like this, it works for the inputs, I can setp to is_output TRUE but I cannot call a dout-00
[15:35:56] <witnit> or dout01 for that matter
[15:38:39] <witnit> these are set as opendrain does that matter at all on how I net them to my douts?
[15:39:26] <PCW> opendrain will have no effect
[15:40:01] <PCW> but what else it connected to the signal dout-01 does
[15:40:10] <PCW> is connected
[15:40:22] <witnit> net dout-01 <= motion.digital-out-01
[15:43:21] <witnit> it just seemed unusual since I can setp to is_output TRUE and the relay kicks over, but sending commands via mdi does not.
[15:44:39] <PCW> should be ok but I'm not sure when exactly the M62 etc commands are processed
[15:44:52] <witnit> ok I will keep looking for the break
[15:45:11] <witnit> maybe aio would to compare it
[15:45:33] <witnit> would work*
[15:45:57] <PCW> M64?
[15:46:10] <witnit> thats what I was using
[15:46:16] <witnit> 64/65
[15:46:26] <PCW> M62 will only work when the next motion command is issued
[15:46:33] <witnit> ok
[15:49:56] <PCW> so you tried
[15:49:57] <PCW> m64 p1
[15:49:59] <PCW> m65 p1
[15:50:00] <PCW> ?
[15:50:18] <witnit> hrmm
[15:50:19] <witnit> yes
[15:50:35] <witnit> its not changing vale in the dout-01
[15:50:37] <witnit> value*
[15:50:51] <witnit> so when watching signals, axis is not getting the message to hal
[15:51:33] <witnit> is there a different way to tell dout-01 to turn on without using m64/5
[15:52:04] <witnit> as is a setp dout-01 TRUE
[15:53:06] <PCW> works for me (just tried watching motion.digital.out 0..3)
[15:55:06] <PCW> sets
[15:55:20] <PCW> (set signal)
[15:57:58] <witnit> it already has "writers"
[15:58:22] <witnit> I need to read more, I probably am missing something. crucial :/
[15:59:10] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11155867
[15:59:14] <witnit> if you are curious
[16:00:07] <witnit> mic, after we talked, I ended up with working inputs and almost working outputs! Thanks again!
[16:00:56] <micges> witnit: that's good
[16:13:19] <witnit> setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.is_output TRUE works as intended shouldn't setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.out TRUE also turn on the relay?
[16:14:20] <micges> witnit: what's your setup?
[16:14:31] <witnit> opendrains
[16:14:35] <witnit> if thats what you mean
[16:16:50] <micges> no daughter boards?
[16:16:53] <witnit> im connecting direct to the 7i90, no daughtercards
[16:17:08] <witnit> heh
[16:17:33] <witnit> my inputs return as din-00 those work when I toggle a switch
[16:17:57] <witnit> however I can only toggle my outputs by invoking a .is_output TRUE
[16:18:18] <witnit> I cannot enable them via mdi/dout-0x
[16:18:32] <micges> if you use opendrain did you set .is-opendrain param?
[16:18:47] <witnit> yes
[16:18:48] <witnit> to 1
[16:18:55] <witnit> should it maybe reas otherwise?
[16:19:04] <micges> rather not
[16:19:09] <witnit> my .hal is above at gist
[16:20:18] <micges> witnit: paste on gist oputput from 'show all' command at end of hal file
[16:20:43] <micges> I mean add 'show all' at end of hal and paste terminal output
[16:20:45] <PCW> "setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.is_output TRUE works as intended shouldn't setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.out TRUE also turn on the relay?"
[16:20:46] <PCW> no
[16:21:14] <PCW> (for OPTO 22 at least)
[16:21:38] <PCW> opto22 racks are acrive low
[16:21:52] <PCW> active low
[16:22:11] <witnit> Im not sure what you mean nucges
[16:22:18] <witnit> mic*
[16:23:09] <zeeshan> knew it
[16:23:13] <zeeshan> noga mag base arrived before sharas
[16:23:15] <zeeshan> shars
[16:23:21] <zeeshan> lol
[16:23:47] <PCW> setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.invert-output true
[16:23:49] <PCW> (for active low outputs)
[16:24:25] <witnit> ohhh okay so thats why they did not enable via m64
[16:24:35] <witnit> but still works with the setp?
[16:25:01] <PCW> sure
[16:25:21] <PCW> just inverted polarity from what you expected
[16:25:24] <witnit> ahh
[16:26:27] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11156621 like this micges?
[16:26:44] <Deejay> gn8
[16:26:47] <PCW> so for opto22 outputs set the is-output, is-opendrain, and invert-output atrributes
[16:26:48] <witnit> moin
[16:27:10] <micges> witnit: si
[16:27:21] <witnit> well its set at is-opendrain 1
[16:27:28] <witnit> I thought that was all was needed
[16:28:00] <witnit> I also need to setp invert-output true, THEN the m64/65 should function
[16:28:18] <PCW> for outputs you always need is-output
[16:28:49] <PCW> for output pulled up to 5V you need is-opendrain
[16:29:13] <PCW> for active low outputs you need invert-output
[16:29:22] <witnit> ahh ok.
[16:29:32] <witnit> so many inversions and such
[16:30:03] <PCW> for opto22 inputs you want to use the inverted input pins
[16:30:18] <PCW> (since they are active low as well)
[16:30:55] <PCW> (assuming you want input voltage present = true)
[16:34:20] <witnit> ha im so hopeless
[16:38:10] <PCW> some of us live and breath this binary stuff, easy to forget not everyone does...
[16:40:34] <witnit> yea i come from a far away land of cams, handgrinding drills, and rebuilding machines built for wwII
[16:43:05] <PCW> well you are doing pretty well for a just barely supported card and diving into subtle config issues
[16:43:56] <PCW> bbl
[16:44:02] <witnit> great =D maybe once I get my head wrapped around the structure of all this I can make it with all the cards
[16:44:43] <PCW> all or our stuff is basically the same at the HAL level
[16:44:56] <witnit> I printed the pages and bound myself a halbook
[16:45:04] <witnit> I hope you dont update that too soon
[16:45:09] <witnit> hardback hal
[16:53:47] <witnit>
[16:53:53] <witnit>
[17:08:17] <humble_sea_bass> that's straight gangster
[17:14:03] <witnit> thanks Ive been know to have very gangster like attributes regarding my work
[17:14:19] <witnit> =D
[17:29:32] <zeeshan> anyone here tried to lap carbide anvil faces before?
[17:31:00] <witnit> thats a new one to me
[17:31:27] <zeeshan> one of the micrometers i got has a tiny chip on the anvil (stationary one)
[17:31:38] <zeeshan> a local place wants 60$ to fix it
[17:31:39] <zeeshan> ;/
[17:31:50] <Guest20800> is it just a cosmetic issue?
[17:31:55] <zeeshan> yes
[17:31:57] <zeeshan> only cosmetic
[17:31:59] <Guest20800> meh
[17:32:04] <zeeshan> the face isnt raised or anything
[17:32:05] <zeeshan> :P
[17:32:18] <witnit> sounds like a waste of time :P
[17:32:18] <zeeshan> i used an optical flat to check.
[17:32:25] <zeeshan> it bothers me :{
[17:32:28] <witnit> you ocd
[17:32:47] <Guest20800> zeeshan: what's the value of the micrometer?
[17:32:48] <zeeshan> haha
[17:33:01] <Guest20800> and how do you chip the surface... you are not meant to use them as clamps
[17:33:04] <witnit> sounds like standard $100 mics to me
[17:33:13] <zeeshan> its not new.
[17:33:14] <zeeshan> it came like that
[17:33:45] <witnit> ha someone probably clink another carbide tool agaisnt or they were dropped/had something dropped on them
[17:33:55] <zeeshan> its such a tiny chip
[17:33:55] <zeeshan> =/
[17:34:05] <zeeshan> looks only like 10 thou deep
[17:34:06] <Guest20800> ITS IRRELEVANT CHIP
[17:34:19] <witnit> nods
[17:34:25] <zeeshan> new the micrometer is 279+ tax
[17:35:06] <witnit> the anvil could be done on a diamond wheel of on surface grinder maybe
[17:35:10] <_methods> you can get them resurfaced
[17:35:22] <Guest20800> new...
[17:35:22] <witnit> but again hardly worth jigging it imo
[17:35:24] <_methods> most cal labs will do repairs also
[17:35:28] <Guest20800> you said it's not new, how much did you pay for it
[17:35:39] <zeeshan> it was a packaged deal
[17:35:42] <zeeshan> how many times do i have to say that
[17:35:48] <Guest20800> you have OCD
[17:35:51] <witnit> yep
[17:36:04] <zeeshan> cool story
[17:36:29] <Guest20800> zeeshan : here, clean, derust and oil these clamps http://gushh.net/tmp/p21-04-14_16.31f.jpg pronto.
[17:36:52] <witnit> once a ytear
[17:36:53] <zeeshan> sorry i don't keep my tools in dog shit condition
[17:36:54] <zeeshan> like those
[17:36:56] <zeeshan> :)
[17:36:57] <witnit> hahahah
[17:37:03] <Guest20800> zeeshan: it was a packaged deal
[17:37:07] <witnit> LOL
[17:37:10] <XXCoder> I went to home depot. got some ideas what I can do. I saw very nice steel solid rods I can use as rails, and square steel hollow square tubes that can fit in it
[17:37:13] <Guest20800> you prick.
[17:37:35] <witnit> you guys got me laughing
[17:37:36] <witnit> thanks
[17:37:39] <zeeshan> :D
[17:37:39] <Guest20800> zeeshan: you also can't see past grease, dust and surface rust... it means you do have OCD.
[17:37:42] <XXCoder> its very slightly loose I'd say 0.1mm loose but with 2 rods I can counter that
[17:37:54] <zeeshan> Guest20800: i'm glad you're not a doctor
[17:37:57] <zeeshan> you'd be the death of many.
[17:37:58] <Guest20800> home depot
[17:38:05] <witnit> oh jjjeessh
[17:38:12] <Guest20800> zeeshan: I just bought those for dirt cheap you idiot
[17:38:23] <zeeshan> whos this character
[17:38:23] <Guest20800> quit using your mics for clamps I said.
[17:38:25] <zeeshan> calling me names
[17:38:35] <zeeshan> i told you, i bought them used
[17:38:40] <zeeshan> one came with a chip
[17:38:41] <XXCoder> 2 rods per side that is
[17:38:43] <zeeshan> what do you not understand about that
[17:38:49] <zeeshan> are you mentally retarded
[17:38:51] <Guest20800> zeeshan: throw that shit away
[17:38:57] <zeeshan> no.
[17:39:01] <zeeshan> i'm gonna try to lap it
[17:39:07] <zeeshan> which was my original question
[17:39:13] <zeeshan> they can make a spare micrometer
[17:39:23] <witnit> I was taking rust off my machines parts using electralisis
[17:39:28] <witnit> WORKS GREAT
[17:39:33] <Guest20800> witnit: works fine
[17:39:45] <witnit> never knew it you could do that until someone mentioned it in here a few days ago
[17:39:54] <witnit> sooo easy and fast
[17:39:54] <Guest20800> I did
[17:39:59] <witnit> that was you?
[17:39:59] <witnit> \
[17:39:59] <zeeshan> mrpete does that online in his youtube videos
[17:40:00] <zeeshan> :P
[17:40:04] <witnit> well thanks =D
[17:40:05] <zeeshan> ultrasonic works better
[17:40:06] <Guest20800> mrpete...
[17:40:12] <Guest20800> it doesn't.
[17:40:25] <witnit> I dunno zeesh, there was 0 rust
[17:40:37] <witnit> possibly would pit if left too long
[17:40:44] <zeeshan> hehe
[17:40:44] <witnit> well it WOULD pit if left too long
[17:40:49] <Guest20800> zeeshan: go ruin the micrometer already
[17:40:54] <Guest20800> witnit: no
[17:40:58] <Guest20800> it won't.
[17:41:07] <witnit> well it takes away metal when you do that
[17:41:13] <Guest20800> the exchange stops once there's no more rust to convert.
[17:41:21] <witnit> should see the metal on my HHO machine
[17:41:21] <Guest20800> the metal was already gone
[17:41:44] <witnit> nah it takes way metal hahaha it was even pitting 316ss
[17:41:50] <witnit> or... 303 maybe not sure
[17:41:56] <witnit> one of them was breaking down
[17:42:00] <Guest20800> you were doing it wrong then
[17:42:02] <Guest20800> inverted polarity.
[17:42:05] <witnit> ohh
[17:42:05] <zeeshan> Guest20800: knows it all
[17:42:09] <Guest20800> only your sacrificial should lose metal.
[17:42:14] <Guest20800> zeeshan: go ruin the micrometer.
[17:42:15] <witnit> thats right
[17:42:25] <witnit> it was only one of the poles which wiped out
[17:42:27] <Guest20800> zeeshan: here's an angle grinder you can use
[17:42:30] <_methods> you mean gush knows it all
[17:42:31] <witnit> the other pole was fine
[17:42:43] <Guest20800> witnit: your work piece should be the cathode always
[17:42:45] <_methods> gush back to trollin on alt
[17:42:48] <Guest20800> the sacrifical anodes are the positive.
[17:42:54] <witnit> ahh
[17:42:55] <witnit> okie
[17:43:12] <zeeshan> anyway, anyone lap carbide anvil faces before? :D
[17:43:20] <Guest20800> _methods: go play with yourself.
[17:43:20] <XXCoder> heh wanted to ask couple questions but others too busy showing epeen, method
[17:43:20] <zeeshan> any links to the process?
[17:43:28] <_methods> ah now i know you're gush
[17:43:38] <_methods> thx for the confirm
[17:43:41] <XXCoder> really? I knew from his custom domain
[17:43:41] <Guest20800> _methods: I'm ident as such
[17:43:49] <Guest20800> _methods: again, go play with yourself.
[17:43:58] <zeeshan> gush sounds like a tard
[17:44:03] <zeeshan> no social skills
[17:44:06] <_methods> he's shaun
[17:44:07] <Guest20800> zeeshan: says the guy trying to lap a chinese micrometer
[17:44:13] <_methods> they are one and the same
[17:44:16] <zeeshan> its a mitutoyo micrometer
[17:44:16] <Guest20800> I'm not shaun you little prick
[17:44:20] <zeeshan> i like how you assume so much
[17:44:21] <witnit> lol
[17:44:23] <zeeshan> you're so retarded
[17:44:23] <zeeshan> lol
[17:44:25] <Guest20800> zeeshan: a chinktutoyo for all you know.
[17:44:35] <Guest20800> zeeshan: how old are you, seven? do your parents know you're using their laptop?
[17:44:49] <Guest20800> armchair machinist, go play with your toy machines.
[17:44:57] <Guest20800> ignored.
[17:45:00] <zeeshan> lol i'm not even a machinist
[17:45:08] <zeeshan> this guy is making lol
[17:45:10] <_methods> neither is gush
[17:45:12] <zeeshan> serious issues
[17:45:21] <zeeshan> damn the internet has some serious characters
[17:45:22] <Guest20800> _methods: clearly you aren't.
[17:45:22] <_methods> he's a janitor
[17:45:28] <_methods> i looked him up
[17:45:31] <Guest20800> _methods: projecting again are we
[17:45:36] <_methods> he cleans the toilet at a jail in argentina
[17:45:37] <zeeshan> _methods: seriously?
[17:45:42] <zeeshan> rofl
[17:45:46] <Guest20800> _methods: you are actually retarded.
[17:45:50] <zeeshan> explains why he's so bitter
[17:45:56] <_methods> yep
[17:46:02] <Guest20800> I've never read so many shit in my entire life kid.
[17:46:28] <Guest20800> Another one for the ignore list, such lowlife scums on freenode lately.
[17:46:30] <zeeshan> gush is the type of person who basically goes crazy
[17:46:35] <zeeshan> and goes to a mall and shoots everyone
[17:47:14] <zeeshan> i bet archivist knows how to lap carbide faces
[17:48:08] <_methods> i always just put mine in with our stuff when it goes our for cal
[17:48:20] <_methods> i've never tried to resurface a mic
[17:48:22] <zeeshan> i think 60$ might be worth it
[17:48:24] <zeeshan> to fix
[17:48:32] <_methods> it is they'll make them like new
[17:48:37] <zeeshan> cause i know the face has to be perpendicular to the thimble axis
[17:48:40] <_methods> they break the mic down completely
[17:48:53] <_methods> and they'll make it like new
[17:48:54] <zeeshan> if it was just a 0-1 mic
[17:48:55] <zeeshan> i'd scrap it
[17:48:57] <zeeshan> but its 11-12"
[17:49:26] <witnit> yeah but, how big is this chip could it even allow you to misread them?
[17:49:40] <witnit> haha I never ever used a 11-12 in my life
[17:49:46] <zeeshan> honestly its 0.010" wide
[17:49:46] <witnit> wth are you building?
[17:49:52] <zeeshan> and 0.010" deep
[17:49:59] <zeeshan> right at the edge
[17:50:08] <zeeshan> optical flat shows it's flat
[17:50:17] <zeeshan> so there is no raised up edge
[17:50:29] <witnit> :/ yeahhh imo, not worth fixxing unless you used them more than 5 times daily
[17:50:37] <zeeshan> yea i dont use it often at all
[17:50:48] <zeeshan> i'm using it to measure the outside of a turbine housing
[17:51:08] <witnit> coming from someone who never used them ever before, I wouldnt even consider my time/money involved in it
[17:51:15] <zeeshan> the outside recess is press fit into a flange face
[17:51:17] <zeeshan> to keep it concentric
[17:51:20] <zeeshan> to the flange
[17:51:25] <witnit> its a round part?!
[17:51:29] <zeeshan> yes
[17:51:39] <witnit> you should not be even using the edge of mics on a round part
[17:51:49] <witnit> impossible to get a bad reading
[17:52:12] <zeeshan> good point :]
[17:52:24] <zeeshan> witnit: who is this gush guy
[17:52:27] <zeeshan> why is he so mad
[17:52:42] <witnit> his problems are probably much bigger than yours
[17:52:52] <witnit> :P
[17:53:12] <zeeshan> usually people who get mad like that really have some deep issues in the brain
[17:53:18] <Guest20800> witnit: I guarantee my problems are smaller than that guy's, his are genetic.
[17:53:21] <zeeshan> my sisters a doc
[17:53:39] <zeeshan> in luton, uk
[17:53:45] <witnit> mannn I was setting up a this threading job I got 99 problems but a pitch aint one
[17:53:55] <zeeshan> lol
[17:54:26] <CaptHindsight> #psycho_therapy
[17:54:49] <zeeshan> im so close to done organizing the shop
[17:54:51] <Guest20800> you must be the resident lab rat in that channel.
[17:54:54] <zeeshan> so i can finally work on some big projects :D
[17:55:20] <witnit> welp, imma go plant in my garden awhile.. =D
[17:55:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRiTUyQiQk&feature=kp
[17:56:13] <zeeshan> rofl CaptHindsight that reminds me of Gush
[17:56:39] <XXCoder> love it when channel turns into drama show. :P
[17:57:04] <_methods> those 2 been trollin the channel for the last 2 weeks
[17:57:07] <_methods> goin on 3 now
[17:57:30] <zeeshan> ruins the channel in my opinion
[17:57:38] <_methods> ^^
[17:57:42] <CaptHindsight> did #reprap do some sort of purge?
[17:57:59] <zeeshan> is he a reprap idiot?
[17:58:03] <_methods> oh yeah
[17:58:06] <zeeshan> that explains it all
[17:58:08] <zeeshan> HAHAHAAa
[17:58:12] <_methods> he is THE reprap idiot
[17:58:25] <zeeshan> god, 3d printing tards drive me insane
[17:58:39] <_methods> ^^
[17:58:49] <zeeshan> the best way i can describe 3d printing is like this: it's a 'trend'
[17:58:52] <_methods> simple pleasures for simple people
[17:58:54] <zeeshan> like 'reddit'
[17:59:07] <zeeshan> ever since they started printing guns in it
[17:59:12] <zeeshan> it started a cult following
[17:59:17] <CaptHindsight> it's more of a cult
[17:59:23] <zeeshan> yep
[17:59:44] <CaptHindsight> it's lead by some type A's that attack anyone for pointing that out
[17:59:48] <JT-Shop> whew
[18:00:24] <zeeshan> jt-shop doing anything interesting lately?
[18:00:31] <zeeshan> next project after log splitter? :D
[18:00:48] <JT-Shop> been working on a covered bridge
[18:01:11] <zeeshan> you have a river on your property?
[18:03:51] * tjb1 has 3 3d printers :(
[18:04:16] <_methods> me too and they are fun toyrs
[18:04:16] <XXCoder> heh I want 3d printer for hell of it
[18:04:22] <tjb1> who has been trolling channel?
[18:04:23] <MrHindsight> it's really just reprap and the crazies
[18:04:23] <_methods> you can make one in a day
[18:04:26] <XXCoder> but its not magic
[18:04:34] <XXCoder> print a freakin car lol
[18:04:38] <MrHindsight> FFF/FDM
[18:04:54] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, http://www.gnipsel.com/images/Eagle%20Sky/
[18:05:00] <_methods> compared to cnc it's like preschool
[18:05:07] <tjb1> Who has been trolling?
[18:05:08] <MrHindsight> it's just one type of additive manufacturing
[18:05:11] <zeeshan> holy cow
[18:05:13] <zeeshan> thats beautiful
[18:05:16] <_methods> that tard shaun and gush
[18:05:26] <tjb1> no one likes shaun in reprap
[18:05:32] <_methods> same shiot they do in reprap
[18:05:49] <JT-Shop> it's a pretty unique bridge for sure
[18:05:52] <XXCoder> I bet ya if theres every cheap method to print metal everyone'd all over that shit
[18:05:53] <XXCoder> like flies
[18:06:35] <brentru> uh
[18:06:36] <brentru> http://www.metalclaysupply.com/
[18:06:52] <brentru> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:20733
[18:06:59] <brentru> and a kiln
[18:07:10] <tjb1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUX_Hm01KMc
[18:07:27] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140415-ecn-uses-new-dlp-technology-for-3d-printing-metals.html
[18:07:37] <XXCoder> basic starter kit $173
[18:07:44] <MattyMatt> mig welder on a 3 axis is cheapish, it's the quality of the result that's questionable
[18:07:53] <tjb1> MattyMatt: watch youtube video
[18:08:00] <tjb1> :)
[18:08:00] <zeeshan> tjb1: hit it with a hammer!
[18:08:03] <XXCoder> hrhind yeah thats still hella expensive
[18:08:33] <brentru> got my misumi stuff today tjb1
[18:09:00] <_methods> what is this some sort of reptard invasion?
[18:09:12] <MattyMatt> tjb mig without the g will probably be most economical on the moon
[18:09:19] <tjb1> I've been here for over a year _methods
[18:09:19] <zeeshan> _methods: haha
[18:09:26] <_methods> jeebus
[18:09:34] <_methods> bad enough they got shaun and gush in here
[18:09:40] <tjb1> JT-Shop can vouch for that :P
[18:09:42] <brentru> you guys know shaun?
[18:09:47] <zeeshan> i can vouce for tjb1
[18:09:51] <zeeshan> vouch
[18:10:18] <tjb1> I'm just linux-illiterate so I don't do much with it
[18:11:40] <MrHindsight> jewelers make millions of metal pieces by lost wax casting using a high wax content photopolymer and either laser of DLP for curing
[18:11:54] <MattyMatt> zeeshan I remember a guy once lapping his mic with crocus paper
[18:11:58] <zeeshan> im pretty sure my dad uses DLP
[18:12:03] <zeeshan> for dental stuff too
[18:12:07] <zeeshan> for curing filings
[18:12:57] <zeeshan> MattyMatt: i think the main problem for me will be trying to keep the face perendicular to the thimble axis
[18:13:03] <shaun414> what brentru
[18:13:06] <shaun414> why is he here?
[18:13:12] <tjb1> Hmm
[18:13:19] <tjb1> New account not ignored, time to fix that
[18:16:26] <zeeshan> damn it i need to wear gloves when using liquid wrench
[18:16:38] <zeeshan> the smell doesnt go away no matter how many times you wash your hands
[18:16:50] <MrHindsight> FDM/FFF isn't completely useless http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140410-3d-printed-ninjaflex-spikes-over-led-pixels.html
[18:17:15] <shaun414> lol
[18:17:43] <zeeshan> what the heck is that
[18:17:49] <zeeshan> a euoplocephalus?
[18:18:17] <XXCoder> lol
[18:18:37] <XXCoder> awesome, but doubt will wear it
[18:18:45] <XXCoder> try use it though airplane area
[18:18:49] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt093m21n16x82p/2014-04-15%2023.19.35.jpg
[18:18:51] <XXCoder> there'd be BOMB!!!
[18:19:13] <_methods> oh i went to thingiverse and downloaded a dildo and printed it.......I KNOW HOW TO CNC
[18:19:50] <_methods> they all print vases............i guess all the 3d printer peoples boyfriends like flowers
[18:19:55] <zeeshan> _methods: haha
[18:20:01] * JT-Shop calls it a day... being high on the job all day is tiring
[18:20:08] <MrHindsight> just about any thermoplastic used in FDM may be printed with an equivalent photopolymer 10-100x faster using DLP or LCD
[18:20:25] <XXCoder> vase thats nice use, make some real weird vise. I dont use vases though.
[18:20:36] <zeeshan> if i had a 3d printer
[18:20:41] <zeeshan> i'd be building enclosures :D
[18:20:49] <zeeshan> and fan blades
[18:20:52] <_methods> no you wouldn't
[18:20:54] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: theres printers thats modified to use same plastic as those soda bottles and such
[18:20:55] <_methods> i have 3 of them
[18:21:00] <zeeshan> give me one
[18:21:01] <shaun414> youd be printing dildos
[18:21:04] <XXCoder> its awesome, we get those all time
[18:21:07] <_methods> and i make my endlosures some other way
[18:21:10] <_methods> they are too slow
[18:21:24] <JT-Shop> Jymmm, how is you ban someone again?
[18:21:27] <_methods> i can hack together a sheetmetal or wood enclosure way faster
[18:21:41] <zeeshan> but you can make an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure
[18:21:44] <tjb1> _methods: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7w7ebbm772a1ij/2013-11-08%2016.27.32.jpg
[18:21:47] <zeeshan> with 3d printing!
[18:21:49] <XXCoder> and other that uses same plasic as milk ggallon jugs
[18:21:53] <XXCoder> lots plasic free
[18:22:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: who?
[18:22:07] <zeeshan> i see a cat 40 holder!
[18:22:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: /mode +b nick!*@*
[18:23:11] <XXCoder> I usually use ip
[18:23:16] <XXCoder> more firm ban
[18:24:44] <zeeshan> dont ban me ;[
[18:24:46] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1n3wo49sqrsbz0w/gripper75.png
[18:25:06] <XXCoder> looks like gripper of some jkind?
[18:25:08] <zeeshan> cat40 gripper
[18:25:09] <zeeshan> intersting
[18:25:32] <zeeshan> tjb1: do me a favour and click visual style
[18:25:36] <zeeshan> and "show edges"
[18:25:40] <zeeshan> that flat video drives me insane
[18:25:46] <zeeshan> *view not video
[18:25:53] <tjb1> zeeshan: I dont know if I have file here
[18:26:16] <zeeshan> i like how you name all your constraints :D
[18:26:34] <tjb1> Name them?
[18:26:38] <zeeshan> nm
[18:26:42] <zeeshan> thats the part name
[18:26:43] <zeeshan> haha
[18:27:06] * zeeshan hides from embarassing comment
[18:27:11] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: looks like old soda bottles and people http://www.3ders.org/images/lyman-filament-extruder-kickstarter-3.png
[18:27:25] <XXCoder> lol
[18:27:30] <zeeshan> soda bottles look like a comfortable mattress
[18:27:31] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:27:32] <zeeshan> gotta try
[18:27:35] <MrHindsight> fleshtruder, humastruder
[18:28:05] <Jymmm> shaun414:
[18:28:09] <shaun414> Jymmm,
[18:28:45] <shaun414> ?
[18:29:05] <tjb1> zeeshan: https://db.tt/1boF6E1y
[18:29:23] <zeeshan> now i can see
[18:29:29] <Jymmm> shaun414: No more chances, no arguments, no discussions. You are gone on the next anything out of you.
[18:29:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan: you too if you comment
[18:29:38] <shaun414> heh?
[18:29:40] <shaun414> anything?
[18:29:47] <zeeshan> whatd i do
[18:30:03] <shaun414> what?
[18:30:22] <zeeshan> thats a long ass schs in the middle of that assembly
[18:30:24] <tjb1> https://db.tt/1boF6E1y
[18:30:31] <zeeshan> shcs
[18:30:33] <tjb1> not a shcs
[18:30:46] <tjb1> https://db.tt/cjv6gRss
[18:30:49] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out how the gripper opens and closes
[18:31:40] <tjb1> https://db.tt/toWGBxPz
[18:32:37] <zeeshan> i'lll come back in a month when things have calmed down here
[18:32:40] <zeeshan> cu guys then!
[18:54:10] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: you gave up on getting the 8020 stuff from seattle?
[18:54:26] <XXCoder> for now. it'll be part of upgrade
[18:54:42] <XXCoder> I'm considering using steel rods from home depot to make rails
[18:54:51] <XXCoder> it should be strong enough for wood
[18:54:59] <humble_sea_bass> I saw you say, that's why i was asking
[18:56:18] <XXCoder> I has couple problems though, I found square tube that fits that rod pretty tighhtly but I am unsure how to attach square tube to gantry
[18:56:31] <XXCoder> also how to really secure those rods on frame
[18:58:25] <XXCoder> or maybe fuk it wait till I got enough money. since I start fulltime next week I will have enough money maybe
[18:58:57] <_methods> man for what you pay at lowes or home depot you're better off just getting some SBR on ebay
[19:00:15] <XXCoder> 10 rods * $6 + 2 square tube * $5 = $65
[19:00:28] <XXCoder> shipping hurts on ebay
[19:01:26] <_methods> this is true
[19:01:33] <_methods> there's always amazon prime
[19:01:35] <_methods> free shipping
[19:01:50] <XXCoder> hmm since shipping is nuts that might be worth it
[19:02:04] <XXCoder> it applies to all items not just their own?
[19:02:05] <_methods> yeah my buddy does it
[19:02:10] <_methods> yeah all items
[19:02:18] <_methods> that's why they raised the price of prime i think
[19:02:28] <_methods> he was rapin the shit out of them on rail and 80/20
[19:02:29] <XXCoder> not bad. I would start it right before I buy sbr stuff
[19:02:43] <_methods> prices are almost the same as ebay
[19:02:59] <XXCoder> think my bro got prime
[19:03:07] <XXCoder> so I dont think I even have to do anything
[19:03:17] <_methods> ah yeah
[19:03:17] <XXCoder> well besides pay him for items
[19:03:25] <_methods> rape IT UP
[19:03:52] <_methods> you'll be much happier with some SBR
[19:04:05] <XXCoder> I guessed that yes
[19:04:18] <XXCoder> just will take a bit to save up for sbr and ball screws for em
[19:05:32] <humble_sea_bass> http://imgur.com/gallery/ZG3r5
[19:05:37] <humble_sea_bass> tag that #reprap
[19:06:23] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[19:06:30] <XXCoder> those invent really weird problems
[19:06:45] <humble_sea_bass> the 2nd half of that gallery is even better
[19:07:04] <humble_sea_bass> "Tired of cutting bread with your doorstop?"
[19:07:05] <XXCoder> yeah ruler thing lol
[19:07:08] <XXCoder> ruler thing rules
[19:07:30] <XXCoder> how the hell he drive to store to buy that ruler
[19:09:23] <XXCoder> I had link that has all that and LOT more
[19:10:44] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com/a/36e4V/all
[19:12:56] <XXCoder> some is modified. hella funny
[19:17:58] <XXCoder> snort it. http://www.iflscience.com/chemistry/powdered-alcohol-coming-us
[19:29:43] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140421-lyman-filament-extruder-soon-on-kickstarter-turning-old-plastic-into-3d-printer-ink.html
[19:34:35] <witnit> tjb1: how do you actuate that?
[19:35:00] <_methods> 3d printer?
[19:35:07] <_methods> +/- 1/8" lol
[19:35:27] <_methods> i make fun of 3d printers but you can make some fun junk with them
[19:35:34] <tjb1> My printer will hold +- .005
[19:35:37] <_methods> not
[19:35:40] <tjb1> Yes
[19:35:53] <_methods> no
[19:35:58] <_methods> will never happen
[19:35:58] <XXCoder> dont look at me for resolution, I dont own one
[19:36:05] <tjb1> Already done it
[19:36:08] <_methods> they could never hold that
[19:36:15] <_methods> you have linear ways?
[19:36:17] <tjb1> You're just a half witted troll
[19:36:46] <witnit> how do you actuate that gripper tj?
[19:36:48] <_methods> your filament is not even extruded to a tol that specific
[19:36:55] <tjb1> witnit: spindle
[19:39:06] <_methods> i made a nice little ghetto bench power supply wiht my printer
[19:39:10] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k35mptdwxzqqohu/2014-04-21%2019.34.08.jpg
[19:39:24] <tjb1> haha
[19:39:28] <tjb1> your prints are shit
[19:39:36] <_methods> ok
[19:39:41] <XXCoder> nice but why not just cnc panels and such
[19:39:42] <tjb1> no wonder you can't hit .005
[19:39:44] <_methods> i would never say otherwise lol
[19:40:02] <_methods> calm down turbo
[19:41:22] <XXCoder> forgot if amp is just level I should use or add amp of each device in electric system>?
[19:41:48] <XXCoder> say 3 of 3A motors = wiring for 9a or 3
[19:42:55] <_methods> XXCoder: i built a 3d printer so wanted to see what it would do
[19:43:03] <XXCoder> oh cool
[19:43:11] <XXCoder> I do want to evenually try
[19:43:16] <_methods> yeah it's fun
[19:43:26] <_methods> but that's about it lol
[19:43:28] <XXCoder> once I build better cnc and upgrade electric system I'll use old one for that
[19:43:45] <_methods> you can throw a printer together from a trash can
[19:43:47] <witnit> You guys could build me a 3d printer head and reel and add an r8 collet to it for me yeah? :)
[19:44:08] <_methods> they're fun to build
[19:44:14] <XXCoder> theres project online to make printer head from glowplug from diesel
[19:44:19] <_methods> yeah
[19:44:28] <_methods> one guy made one out of wood lol
[19:44:50] <witnit> I think I would probably just make a head and use a mill for sake of space
[19:45:24] <witnit> I need more tables in my shop, its all floor and machinery
[19:45:41] <jdh> I need more floor in my 'shop'
[19:45:50] <_methods> hehe don't we all
[19:45:53] <XXCoder> I need more machines for my shop
[19:45:59] <witnit> well, you can use some of mine but you must bring tables
[19:46:03] <XXCoder> right now its at... 1. lol
[19:46:13] <witnit> and those nice drawers with glides
[19:46:43] <_methods> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:204719
[19:46:59] <witnit> I should build a toolbox entirely from clear plastics and light each section then paint the tools accordingly
[19:47:12] <witnit> it would be a rave in my work area
[19:47:15] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140304-turning-old-plastic-into-3d-printer-filament-is-greener-than-conventional-recycling.html
[19:47:19] <_methods> ah damn that's not the wooden one
[19:47:35] <XXCoder> if I ever make 3d printer ill use milk carton plastic. we have LOTS those weekly
[19:48:05] <_methods> trash can is your friend for 3d printing
[19:48:12] <_methods> just ask tjb1
[19:48:24] <jdh> you could print a trash can
[19:48:28] <_methods> hehe
[19:48:34] <XXCoder> lol
[19:48:44] <XXCoder> thats cool idea in a way
[19:48:50] <XXCoder> total unique trash can
[19:48:51] <_methods> now that was trolling
[19:49:08] <XXCoder> 3d print a table
[19:49:13] <jdh> that is one ugly-ass power supply case
[19:49:26] <XXCoder> it'd have to be in sections with single surface from something else
[19:49:27] <witnit> how about a 3d printer that is mobile
[19:49:35] <witnit> so it can do like 30 foot long runs
[19:49:47] <XXCoder> theres weirdass spider cnc router that walks around and mill
[19:49:56] <XXCoder> make one that prints heh
[19:50:03] <witnit> printer on robotic arm on a goldfarct
[19:50:06] <witnit> ohh
[19:50:09] <witnit> golfcart
[19:50:23] <_methods> hahah
[19:50:35] <_methods> i'm sure one of them has made that already
[19:50:49] <XXCoder> http://gcn.com/articles/2012/07/31/3d-printing-milk-jug-boats-to-airliners.aspx
[19:50:50] <witnit> we would have to name it the goldfarct for obvious reasons
[19:51:09] <XXCoder> they changed rules because while techinically its legit (it IS milk cartons) but..
[19:52:59] <witnit> Im trying to imagine an army of 500 3d printer spiders working together and automaticlly going back and reupping on the materials required
[19:53:10] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:53:16] <witnit> someone will have it done in 3 years
[19:53:22] <_methods> shaun
[19:53:26] <witnit> theyLOL
[19:53:28] <witnit> YES
[19:53:30] <_methods> he's the 3d printer master
[19:53:33] <XXCoder> its probably better that it dont use any filiment but use grains and melt it as nesscary
[19:53:34] <shaun414> yes?
[19:53:34] <witnit> lets tell him about the idea
[19:53:36] <XXCoder> easier to refull
[19:53:41] <_methods> speak of the devil
[19:53:50] <witnit> my thoughts exactly coder
[19:54:06] <_methods> if you ever want to know about 3d printers shaun is the man
[19:54:52] <witnit> I think if build correctly they could even climb and attache to the object being built since they do know its geometry already
[19:55:03] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:55:11] <XXCoder> so weird
[19:55:14] <witnit> we could do it coder
[19:55:23] <witnit> they could even make their own scaffolding as needed
[19:55:24] <XXCoder> I cant imange CNC toolpaths.
[19:55:28] <witnit> if required
[19:55:38] <XXCoder> and take em apart and reuse plastic
[19:56:02] <witnit> you wouldnt have to, I bet they could be auto generated and then passed out as clustered processes
[19:56:04] <XXCoder> or take it to grinder that recycles it into form those can yse
[19:56:24] <witnit> there would be other bots for melting down the waste :P
[19:56:34] <XXCoder> they'd have to be smart enough to not go out of power.
[19:56:40] <witnit> yea that would be easy
[19:56:52] <witnit> go to charger when at <30%
[19:57:22] <witnit> each one would be considered a "toolpath" of its own
[19:57:25] <witnit> I would imagine
[19:57:33] <XXCoder> it'd have to be dynimatic
[19:57:41] <XXCoder> assign spiders to areas for example
[19:57:52] <witnit> yeah with a nice timesheet for each to pick up where the others left off
[19:58:05] <_methods> hey the 3dprinter people might be listening to you
[19:58:07] <witnit> colors would be nice to experiement with
[19:58:08] <_methods> watch out
[19:58:14] <_methods> they won't understand
[19:58:20] <_methods> but they may be listening
[19:58:21] <_methods> lol
[19:58:25] <XXCoder> :P
[19:58:43] <witnit> they could write words in the side of a wall by having one colored spider follow the next and fill the gaps
[19:59:00] <witnit> legos 3.0
[19:59:45] <_methods> there ya go
[20:00:07] <witnit> we be visionaries coder
[20:00:22] <_methods> 3d printed moon colonies
[20:00:33] <_methods> it's the future
[20:00:42] <XXCoder> house standard power is one phase right?
[20:00:51] <_methods> unless you live in a warehouse
[20:00:56] <XXCoder> ok
[20:01:14] <_methods> or fuckin philadelphia
[20:01:26] <_methods> apparently they still have TWO PHASE
[20:01:28] <itsallvoodoo> lol, true that philadelphia
[20:01:43] <_methods> which i had no idea existed
[20:01:59] <XXCoder> is it possible to use too large wires for system?
[20:02:05] <XXCoder> if not I'd just go 12 gauge
[20:02:41] <witnit> you cant go too big
[20:03:03] <_methods> that's what shaun said
[20:03:08] <witnit> lul
[20:03:10] <shaun414> ?
[20:03:13] <witnit> poor shaun
[20:03:28] <witnit> you have become a target
[20:03:38] <XXCoder> ok I'll use gauge 000
[20:03:40] <_methods> not for not trying
[20:03:40] <XXCoder> jk heh
[20:03:53] <witnit> of far away(or near) laughter
[20:04:20] <XXCoder> had to double check because I plan to buy wires soonish
[20:04:37] <XXCoder> so I plan to build electric system of cnc in order to test how well it runs
[20:04:40] <itsallvoodoo> http://etischer.com/awdev/battery/DSCF0454.jpg
[20:04:50] <itsallvoodoo> 0000
[20:04:58] <XXCoder> if I wait for functional cnc framework returns may expire and such
[20:04:58] <witnit> lots of ots!
[20:05:08] <XXCoder> thick.
[20:05:11] <_methods> gawt dayum
[20:07:34] <witnit> itsallvoodoo: you should save some of that for jumper cables, that stuff looks good and flexible
[20:08:14] <witnit> fine strand for such 0ts
[20:08:35] <witnit> very 0t
[20:08:49] <itsallvoodoo> love the good and flexible
[20:08:57] <itsallvoodoo> i've had some crappy jumper cables in my day
[20:09:10] <witnit> yep, they get cold and perk right up
[20:10:01] <witnit> not to mention the weak clamps, cant even hold the weight bearing on them
[20:10:16] <witnit> snap, zap
[20:12:43] <_methods> look at dem licorice whips
[20:12:47] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/57qjqfbfaav0hxa/2014-04-21%2020.53.55.jpg
[20:13:12] <XXCoder> so much A
[20:13:20] <_methods> pew pew
[20:13:27] <itsallvoodoo> did a demolition derby once out at my redneck buddy's house. Thought moving the battery to the passenger floorboard and strapping it down would help keep me in the game. Turns out the jumper cable i was using as a power cable extender was the weakest link
[20:13:38] <humble_sea_bass> methods, whats the name of that green connector in the picture
[20:13:52] <_methods> chinese version?
[20:14:04] <humble_sea_bass> yeah whatever. i'm sick of buying molex pins
[20:14:07] <XXCoder> heh
[20:14:08] <witnit> all sad times voodoo
[20:14:12] <_methods> it's a 90deg pcb mount screw connector
[20:14:40] <witnit> alll that work then getting dumped at the track
[20:14:41] <humble_sea_bass> oh i thought it was a plug in type
[20:14:54] <_methods> it is sorry
[20:14:59] <_methods> let me find you the right link
[20:15:41] <_methods> pluggable screw connector
[20:15:43] <_methods> sorry bout that
[20:15:52] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3x-10pcs-Angel-4-Pin-Pitch-5-08mm-Screw-Terminal-Block-Connector-Pluggable-Type-/330934768651?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0d3fd40b
[20:16:21] <humble_sea_bass> thanks. ordering this jam right now
[20:16:24] <_methods> hahha
[20:16:35] <_methods> yea took me a sec to figure out the right wording for those
[20:17:18] <humble_sea_bass> everytime i blow a molex crimp or solder i cry a bit
[20:18:25] <_methods> yeah those things are awesome
[20:18:41] <_methods> the one thing those 3d printer momo's got right
[20:18:42] <witnit> this is good documentation but never any example anywhere...
[20:18:45] <witnit> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/canonical-devices.html
[20:18:51] <witnit> why no example :/
[20:20:13] <witnit> im trying to invert pins but all my attempts lead to emc not starting up
[20:20:59] <jdh> try one at a time?
[20:21:02] <_methods> inverting what pins?
[20:21:05] <jdh> what's the error?
[20:21:13] <_methods> ^^
[20:21:52] <witnit> net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.out
[20:22:04] <witnit> that is supposed to be inverted since I use opto22's?
[20:22:49] <witnit> my net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.016.in works just fine as is
[20:23:14] <_methods> you rollin with the 7i90?
[20:23:17] <witnit> but I can only get my relay to activate by issuing a setp net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.is_output TRUE
[20:23:22] <witnit> yeah
[20:23:41] <witnit> I cant do it with the m64pX
[20:24:03] <witnit> so I was told to invert them, but I dont know what to type
[20:25:00] <witnit> jdh the error is i dont know what to type
[20:25:37] <witnit> just one example is all I need if anyone here ever inverted a pin. ever
[20:25:54] <witnit> just like... you know link a guy or somethin
[20:26:42] <witnit> setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022 invert-output true I tried that
[20:26:55] <witnit> but it just crashed as I figured it would
[20:26:56] <jdh> you have to set it as an output first
[20:27:24] <witnit> yeah, I just didnt see any examples
[20:27:32] <witnit> so didnt know how to do that either
[20:27:45] <jdh> with the is_output
[20:27:53] <witnit> its opendrain already
[20:28:04] <witnit> do I need to tell it its an opendrain output?
[20:28:26] <jdh> did you read the mostmot2 man page/docs?
[20:29:02] <witnit> maybe?
[20:29:39] <jdh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html
[20:29:50] <witnit> im lookin
[20:30:51] <witnit> .digout.NN.invert is the same for 7i90 as it is the 7i64?
[20:32:04] <witnit> I see this page has... plenty to read, but if I just saw a working example it would really make more sense to me.
[20:34:50] <witnit> I have a gpio, its opendrain, but its also invert output those both go on same line, ill keep looking for an example surely someone has one posted
[20:46:04] <witnit> found a working example, got it 30 seconds :P
[20:48:55] <jdh> search and ye shall find.
[20:49:28] <witnit> I just did a search for "invert" "gpio" halfile
[20:50:14] <witnit> the docs are all fine but they just never have enough example and I understand why
[20:50:23] <witnit> dont understand*
[20:52:43] <jdh> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/
[20:52:46] <jdh> he has some good info
[20:52:59] <jdh> also, read the entire integrators manual
[20:53:22] <witnit> I have read so much, its not really retained until I get to the problems
[20:53:38] <witnit> I have the documenation all printed and bound in hardbacks
[20:54:05] <witnit> Its just not much use to me until reference
[20:54:06] <jdh> hard to search that way
[20:54:30] <witnit> well, I did it so I can read them front to back over an over like I said though does not retain well
[20:55:57] <witnit> yes I have a few of those docs reads over as well
[21:13:18] <XXCoder> the phone part is scary. http://maxmali.com/ripper-the-different-cnc/
[21:32:14] <tjtr33> interesting mechanism http://video.techbriefs.com/video/Robotic-Penguin-Inspired-Propul;Motion-Control
[21:33:53] <witnit> indeed
[21:34:08] <witnit> I wonder how well that would translate windpower
[21:34:10] <MrHindsight> the flapper
[21:34:22] <witnit> flap on flap off
[21:34:36] <witnit> :]
[21:37:12] <witnit> I think I design like that may do well in erratic wind
[21:37:33] <witnit> if inertia could be controlled well anyhow
[21:38:39] <witnit> I ran this 5000 times and only lost 7 counts. I think its response time is plenty good :) m64p1
[21:38:39] <witnit> g4p[.0001]
[21:38:39] <witnit> m65p1
[21:38:39] <witnit> g4p[.0001]
[21:39:26] <MrHindsight> http://slashdot.org/story/14/04/21/2354200/the-science-behind-powdered-alcohol
[21:40:28] <witnit> lul so where the science part at
[21:40:39] <MrHindsight> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-science-behind-powdered-alcohol-the-latest-way-to-get-drunk
[21:41:05] <MrHindsight> http://www.google.com/patents/US3795747
[21:41:35] <humble_sea_bass> you know
[21:41:46] <humble_sea_bass> i like the liquid part of it all
[21:41:58] <MrHindsight> certain carbohydrate materials, when suitably modified with respect to physical form, will, in the presence of significant amounts of water, absorb large quantities of alcohol to form stable, flowable carbohydrate powders containing up to 60 percent by weight ethanol
[21:43:09] <MrHindsight> http://www.bevlaw.com/bevlog/alcohol-beverages-generally/powdered-alcohol
[21:48:45] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: lol I libjked to it a bit ago
[21:48:55] <XXCoder> snort it'
[21:53:38] <witnit> I wonder if it would be possible to have a car that ran on dryalcohol/water
[21:53:48] <XXCoder> good question
[21:53:54] <XXCoder> might have same issues as gunpowder
[21:53:54] <Valen> why bother with water?
[21:53:56] <witnit> you should be able to travel very far only adding water along your way
[21:54:20] <Valen> and the energy density would be less than for just pure alcahol I'd imagine
[21:54:21] <witnit> so it flows mmaaaaaann
[21:54:31] <witnit> not necessarily
[21:54:36] <Valen> you can work with fine enough dusts
[21:54:48] <Valen> coal fired power plants operate with coal dust as a rule
[21:54:49] <witnit> since water has hydrogen
[21:54:53] <witnit> you can burn it too
[21:55:22] <Valen> sure you can
[21:55:47] <Valen> just strip it off the oxygen using less energy than you need to put it on and I'll buy it from you
[21:56:07] <witnit> nahh you would need the alcohol to start keep the cycle up I think
[21:57:06] <Valen> you missed the part where you invented a perpetual motion machine
[21:57:33] <witnit> I dont understand
[21:58:03] <witnit> you cant do perpetual motion by breaking down water and burning the hydrogen
[21:58:14] <witnit> not how it works
[21:59:23] <Valen> if you expect to seperate hydrogen from oxygen, and then do the reverse and come out in front it is a perpetual motion machine
[21:59:35] <witnit> however when using tempuratures which alcohol burns you can get a 16 fold expansion rate from your water to steam and another 16 fold splitting it to hydrogen and oxygen as well as implosion after the firing
[21:59:45] <witnit> no its not like that
[22:00:02] <witnit> you just become more effiecient with already wasted energy in the form of pressure and heat
[22:03:40] <skunkworks_> guy at work made one of those hydrogen generators for his car.. I tried not to laugh at him.
[22:04:19] <XXCoder> alternate fuel isnt magic
[22:04:30] <XXCoder> theres reason we dont all have it now
[22:04:48] <XXCoder> theres scientists making crude oil direct from sun
[22:04:50] <jdh> because the big oil companies keep it secret
[22:04:51] <jdh> duh
[22:04:57] <skunkworks_> got that right!
[22:05:00] <skunkworks_> ;)
[22:05:00] <XXCoder> and other making fuel direct from seawater
[22:05:32] <XXCoder> so yeah somewhat soon we will be driving 6 mpg cars... but 100% envormental, no drilling
[22:05:43] <witnit> it wont be long
[22:05:53] <witnit> the batteries are just now coming out of patent holds
[22:06:28] <witnit> china will mass produce very good baterries some day
[22:06:38] <XXCoder> thatset itself in fire
[22:06:44] <XXCoder> awesome otherwise
[22:07:32] <witnit> once cars convert to electricity, they will probably become the main batteries for energy from the sun and wind which are not constants
[22:08:02] <witnit> just the grid would use your car for its storage when you werent driving
[22:08:13] <witnit> and then of course you can charge from the grid
[22:15:43] <MrHindsight> the new Chevy Moses, 40 years to the gallon!
[22:15:53] <XXCoder> lol
[22:16:20] <XXCoder> "110% effecient! Refuel your other cars once a while from this car!"
[22:22:34] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: hmm powsder achcol use: "legal" open container coke. :P
[22:23:20] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pm4n7t9R8M Monkey on a motorcycle
[22:24:26] <MrHindsight> I wonder where he would go without the leash?
[22:24:45] <XXCoder> dunno but its not nice :(
[22:28:22] <MrHindsight> lots of technical problems have been solved for non fossil fueled power, it always ends up with politics as the main problem
[22:28:59] <MrHindsight> same for water filtration, low cost housing, sanitation etc etc
[22:36:09] <MrHindsight> http://phys.org/search/?search=alternate+energy there must be an announcement made per day on biofuels, efficient waste energy harvesting, solar cells, wind and ocean power etc etc
[22:38:08] <p0st4L> so question, if you're lines start going crooked, what owuld be the cause
[22:38:43] <XXCoder> I'm lines?
[22:38:56] <p0st4L> lol, i used the wrong yoUR
[22:38:59] <p0st4L> geez
[22:39:12] <p0st4L> t'is been a long day
[22:39:12] <XXCoder> ah maybe someone here knows
[22:39:23] <p0st4L> it was cutting nicely when i first set iit up
[22:39:36] <p0st4L> now it's bowing the inside lines
[22:39:38] <MrHindsight> https://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/aluminum_water_hydrogen.pdf
[22:40:03] <XXCoder> wonder if your rails or screw got stuff in it now
[22:40:32] <p0st4L> il take some canned air and grease to it
[22:40:34] <p0st4L> clean it up
[22:52:20] <MrHindsight> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html#c2 Electrolysis of Water and Hydrogen Fuel Cell
[22:52:42] <witnit> p0st4l, sounds like your rails are not straight anymore, do your indicators all look good?
[22:53:07] <p0st4L> yeah. evyerhting looks fine, and nothing changed.
[22:53:23] <witnit> stepper or servo?
[22:53:27] <p0st4L> stepper
[22:53:33] <p0st4L> fireball v90
[22:53:36] <p0st4L> w/ gecko kit
[22:53:51] <witnit> what happens when you compare step counts?
[22:54:07] <p0st4L> haven't done that yet
[22:54:22] <p0st4L> just ran a job earlier and it came out all fubar'd
[22:54:44] <witnit> I would count steps, but I never used steppers before so maybe keep asking :)
[22:55:47] <witnit> Im guessing if you did like, 100 circles they would eventually walk across your table?
[22:55:54] <witnit> is that what you mean?
[22:57:30] <witnit> also which direction on the table is it "going crooked"
[22:58:34] <witnit> you could also have a missing tooth on a belt/gear and I think it could cause you a similar issue
[22:59:37] <witnit> maybe your pully is slipping on your shaft and causing it to lose its location