#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-20

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[00:04:29] <Connor1> Wolfenstien.
[00:13:32] <XXCoder> quake
[00:13:38] <XXCoder> that was last game I could play
[00:13:55] <XXCoder> my brain sucks, I get verigo on most games now
[00:44:33] <zeeshan> connor
[00:44:34] <zeeshan> stil lthere?
[00:46:31] <zeeshan> lol i was scroling up
[00:46:36] <zeeshan> finally shaun413_ admitted
[00:46:37] <zeeshan> :D
[00:46:38] <zeeshan> TROLL!
[00:59:06] <XXCoder> zeeshan: indeed
[01:22:48] <Connor> zeeshan: Huh? Admitted what ?
[01:23:13] <XXCoder> sjun is a troll
[01:23:24] <XXCoder> he admitted he didnt have any hard cold cash to buy anything
[01:23:33] <XXCoder> yet he asked advice to buy lathe for weeks
[01:25:09] <Connor> Ugh.
[01:25:17] <Connor> I'll be ignoring him.
[01:25:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:26:02] <Connor> Not having money is one thing.. asking the same dang questions over and over expecting a different answer is the definition of insane.
[01:26:13] <witnit> aye
[01:26:17] <jdh> he wants to believe
[01:26:32] <jdh> I'd like to believe my HF 7x is good.
[01:26:44] <XXCoder> Connor: indeed
[01:26:54] <XXCoder> I come here to get advice and I got it
[01:26:55] <Connor> and him thinking he's going to make money making hot ends manually is WAY insane.
[01:27:01] <XXCoder> I learned hell of a lot
[01:27:16] <XXCoder> and slowly getting there lol
[01:27:52] <Connor> I even gave him the order of quality on the 7x lathes.
[01:28:07] <witnit> cd ..
[01:28:10] <witnit> haha
[01:28:27] <Connor> MicroMark and LittleMachineShop, Grizzly, then Harbor Freight.
[01:29:39] <Connor> and he argued with me about using a CNC Mill as a horizontal lathe to make the hotends..
[01:29:45] <Connor> Ugg.. waste of my time...
[01:30:15] <XXCoder> dunno what "hotend" is
[01:30:52] <Connor> the chamber used to melt plastic filament into tiny strand use for 3D printers.
[01:31:10] <Connor> I.E. the Extruder.
[01:31:27] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[01:31:49] <Connor> Time for Bed. l8r
[01:31:50] <XXCoder> I saw project online that uses diesel glowplug as part
[01:31:52] <XXCoder> later
[02:12:09] <Deejay> moin
[03:40:07] <witnit> mojn
[03:52:18] <Deejay> moin
[03:52:23] <Deejay> :)
[04:02:39] <witnit> you from south then?
[04:41:06] <theorbtwo> XXCoder: Hmm, interesting idea.
[04:41:42] <witnit> affordable
[04:42:08] <theorbtwo> There's a technical difference between "extruder" and "hotend", though the terms are often used as synonyms too.
[04:42:39] <theorbtwo> The extruder is the entire assembly, whereas the hotend is the heater plus the nozel at the end, but not the bit that shoves the plastic down.
[04:43:16] <theorbtwo> I'm not aware of a term for the bit that shoves absent the bit that heats; I tend to call it the cold end.
[04:43:34] <theorbtwo> witnit: Not paticularly, I suspect, but easier to work with.
[06:05:09] <witnit> I managed to download the entire linuxcnc github, but all I want is this folder http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=src;hb=HEAD
[06:05:57] <witnit> im so hopeless :/
[06:49:23] <witnit> I think they used the word snapshot? push and pull then clone instead of upload download copy? I have not been keeping up :(
[06:51:27] <witnit> yep, im a fool, clicking snapshot means "download everything you see here" why doesnt it just say that...
[10:13:56] <shaun413> Hi
[10:14:00] <shaun413> so
[10:14:09] <shaun413> I managed to find a way to buy the lathe
[10:14:15] <shaun413> should I get the hf?
[10:14:26] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[10:14:35] <zeeshan> rofl
[10:14:37] <zeeshan> early morning troll
[10:14:37] <shaun413> haha
[10:14:43] <shaun413> not trolling
[10:14:44] <zeeshan> got a new bandsaw
[10:14:45] <zeeshan> woohoo
[10:14:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7ser34V.jpg
[10:14:47] <shaun413> Im dead serious
[10:14:47] <zeeshan> it rapes metal
[10:15:15] <XXCoder> Used pee as cutting oil eh ;)
[10:15:25] <shaun413> is a hf lathe worth buying?
[10:15:26] <shaun413> 450
[10:15:27] <XXCoder> cool though
[10:15:35] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[10:15:46] <_methods> nice saw
[10:15:55] <witnit> I got my 7i90 working with some key peoples insight
[10:15:56] <witnit> :)
[10:16:06] <zeeshan> i love this thing
[10:16:10] <zeeshan> i did a test vs my old saw
[10:16:17] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how much?
[10:16:18] <shaun413> does anyone think a HF 7x12 is ok to buy?
[10:16:18] <zeeshan> 5 minutes to cut a piece of metal
[10:16:19] <XXCoder> I assume it can cut steel and such too?
[10:16:20] <zeeshan> vs 15 seconds
[10:16:26] <witnit> ha wow
[10:16:26] <zeeshan> Jymmm: too much =/
[10:16:30] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how much?
[10:16:35] <zeeshan> 700
[10:16:42] <Jymmm> SUCKER!
[10:16:44] <zeeshan> =[
[10:16:48] <zeeshan> i needed it!
[10:16:57] <witnit> its ok if you needed at the time
[10:16:58] <Jymmm> No, you WANTED it =)
[10:17:13] <witnit> but otherwise. *waves finger*
[10:17:22] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I kid, it's a very nice saw.
[10:17:53] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Did it come with the vertical table atachment?
[10:18:00] <zeeshan> no
[10:18:04] <zeeshan> but im stealing it from my other saw
[10:18:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/rJOFRQA.jpg
[10:18:19] <zeeshan> i might actually just make an aluminum table for it
[10:18:24] <zeeshan> cause i really dont like that sheet metal table
[10:18:27] <witnit> clever
[10:18:43] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Fine, ship it to me
[10:19:18] <Jymmm> the grn saw that is
[10:19:22] <zeeshan> haha
[10:19:27] <zeeshan> it might be sold on monday
[10:19:30] <zeeshan> i have it listed
[10:19:33] <Jymmm> ah
[10:19:45] <zeeshan> i was asking for 180 for it
[10:19:48] <zeeshan> (canadian dollars)
[10:20:14] <zeeshan> guy says he'll come on monday -- lets see if he does.
[10:20:14] <zeeshan> :P
[10:21:14] <shaun413> so
[10:21:20] <shaun413> is the HF good for 450?
[10:21:29] <shaun413> i know you say its bad///
[10:21:34] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[10:22:06] <zeeshan> shaun413: give me the 450$
[10:22:08] <_methods> oh wow some easter morning trolling
[10:22:13] <_methods> right on
[10:22:16] <shaun413> why zeeshan ?
[10:22:29] <zeeshan> i will spend it for you
[10:22:32] <XXCoder> yeah cheering on zombie day
[10:22:33] <zeeshan> on a can of .. 'stfu' !
[10:22:38] <humble_sea_bass> that's a nice bandsaw
[10:22:52] <XXCoder> sigh. trolling not cheering
[10:22:58] <zeeshan> thank you!
[10:23:13] <zeeshan> you know whats intereseting
[10:23:18] <XXCoder> may it last though lots cuts, and what I see, it will.
[10:23:21] <zeeshan> it draws 9A at 120V
[10:23:25] <humble_sea_bass> the little cart is pimp
[10:23:29] <zeeshan> on the motor name plate it says 3/4 hp
[10:23:52] <humble_sea_bass> that's nothing
[10:24:06] <zeeshan> 1080W = 1.448Hp ?
[10:24:07] <Jymmm> shaun413: You keep asking the same question over and over for weeks now, just stop asking. You'll have to just find out for yourself.
[10:24:18] <shaun413> Jymmm, Its on sale today
[10:24:21] <shaun413> and I can afford it
[10:24:25] <shaun413> thats why i ask
[10:24:31] <humble_sea_bass> get it
[10:24:48] <humble_sea_bass> Easter sales can't be messed with
[10:24:55] <humble_sea_bass> they only come once per year
[10:25:01] <shaun413> :/
[10:25:14] <witnit> yeah they rise after three days...
[10:25:15] <witnit> ....
[10:25:22] <Jymmm> shaun413: Again, STOP ASKING AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF. Ask again or argue about it and it's much easier to ban you.
[10:25:31] <shaun413> .
[10:25:32] <zeeshan> shaun413: ask again please
[10:25:34] <zeeshan> PLEASE
[10:25:35] <zeeshan> i beg you
[10:25:41] <zeeshan> i will tell you the answer
[10:26:18] <zeeshan> i hear they will give you a big egg with it too with hss toolbits in it
[10:26:27] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Your next!
[10:26:31] <zeeshan> haha :D
[10:27:15] <XXCoder> wow zee owns next now?
[10:27:50] <Jymmm> maybe First too!
[10:27:55] <shaun413> wow
[10:28:56] <zeeshan> i want to go back in the garage but i have 2 final exams on thursday and fri respectively =/
[10:29:01] <zeeshan> should prolly start studying
[10:29:51] <shaun413> prolly
[10:32:33] <shaun413> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4431242849.html
[10:34:13] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/fcY0UbQ.gif
[10:34:17] <zeeshan> i like
[10:34:43] <shaun413> cool
[10:35:04] <shaun413> zeeshan, what do you think of that southbend
[10:35:26] <humble_sea_bass> i think that counts as asking
[10:35:33] <_methods> ^^
[10:35:43] <shaun413> no
[10:36:17] <_methods> oh shit
[10:36:29] <humble_sea_bass> The Risen Lord
[10:36:30] <_methods> das boot
[10:37:02] <XXCoder> funally the lathe guys gone
[10:37:09] <_methods> how many times have you had to kick him now?
[10:38:05] <zeeshan> http://www.haascnc.com/mt_spec1.asp?id=ST-25&webID=BIG_BORE_LATHE#gsc.tab=0
[10:38:07] <zeeshan> interesting
[10:38:14] <jdh> I fucking hate disney
[10:38:15] <zeeshan> 63k
[10:38:20] <XXCoder> zeeshan: awesome gif
[10:38:20] <zeeshan> jdh: dont hate disney
[10:38:29] <zeeshan> help me with my lathe!
[10:38:37] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[10:38:39] <_methods> heh
[10:38:41] <jdh> cut/drill/tap
[10:38:49] <zeeshan> no
[10:38:54] <zeeshan> i need the link to your lathe pics again
[10:39:03] <XXCoder> damn and I thought macro use ended with shawn
[10:39:04] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/NpTSx7Y.jpg
[10:39:08] <zeeshan> thats what im dealing with right now
[10:39:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/fpHKt8n.jpg
[10:39:18] <humble_sea_bass> let me crack open these easter eggs see if I have 62k and a massive airplane hanger to keep this
[10:39:26] <jdh> that's the easy part
[10:39:35] <zeeshan> its not easy when you wanna use a stationary cover
[10:39:41] <zeeshan> that covers the ball screw from the top and sides
[10:39:51] <jdh> just takes cash
[10:39:52] <zeeshan> unless i make telescoping covers that cover both the ways and the ball screw
[10:39:57] <XXCoder> what about accordian style covers
[10:40:09] <zeeshan> XXCoder: if i spend money on those covers
[10:40:12] <zeeshan> ill prolly cover everything
[10:40:27] <XXCoder> its little more than plastic sheet you fold in certain way
[10:40:30] <zeeshan> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/watertight-telescopic-steel-covers-machine-tools-33367-2821889.jpg
[10:40:32] <zeeshan> kinda like that
[10:40:39] <XXCoder> and rails to keep to aligned
[10:40:44] <jdh> is your casting cracked?
[10:40:45] <zeeshan> so it covers both the ways and ball screw
[10:40:49] <zeeshan> jdh where
[10:41:00] <zeeshan> first pic?
[10:41:05] <jdh> yeah
[10:41:07] <zeeshan> nah
[10:41:10] <zeeshan> thats an adjustable section
[10:41:18] <XXCoder> zeeshan: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/310839064877?lpid=82
[10:41:22] <XXCoder> something like that
[10:41:33] <jdh> oh, gap bed?
[10:41:33] <zeeshan> hmm
[10:41:40] <zeeshan> jdh i thinkso
[10:41:40] <zeeshan> :P
[10:42:01] <jdh> I should wire up my X stepper and see if my crappy design actually works.
[10:42:03] <zeeshan> XXCoder: whatd you search for
[10:42:09] <zeeshan> jdh: pics
[10:42:16] <XXCoder> accordian cnc
[10:42:20] <zeeshan> i wanna see where you attached the ball nut on the carriage
[10:42:55] <jdh> on the left side
[10:42:59] <jdh> takes up a lot of room
[10:43:33] <zeeshan> you're not worried about causing 'torquing' of the carriage?
[10:43:39] <zeeshan> cause its not mounted on the centerline of it?
[10:43:48] <jdh> no
[10:44:04] <jdh> https://picasaweb.google.com/112430417093824344570/9x20#5996915628825351618
[10:44:09] <jdh> it's a terrible design overall
[10:44:52] <zeeshan> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H2HunjxuOnY/UvBRLt0K3OI/AAAAAAAADXY/brt8jI2fcbU/w1598-h899-no/20140203_213021.jpg
[10:44:53] <zeeshan> hehe
[10:44:56] <zeeshan> you didnt even use the carriage
[10:44:57] <zeeshan> interesting!
[10:47:58] <zeeshan> whyd you mount the X in the front
[10:48:00] <zeeshan> and not the back?
[10:49:37] <jdh> nothing to hang it from on the back
[10:51:01] <zeeshan> ah
[10:52:02] <XXCoder> zee what ya think of using accordian covers?
[10:52:24] <humble_sea_bass> those steel ones looked great
[10:52:31] <humble_sea_bass> some optimus prime stuff
[10:52:54] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[10:53:12] <XXCoder> I saw one cnc hobby where guy made his own plastic accordian covers though
[10:53:15] <XXCoder> looked pretty cool
[10:54:10] <_methods> accordian covers are usually kinda spendy
[10:54:22] <_methods> god forbid you machine tears them up
[10:54:35] <_methods> pain in the ass to fix
[10:54:53] <XXCoder> found it
[10:54:54] <XXCoder> http://makezine.com/2013/07/29/christopher-blasius-wooden-cnc-router/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=%24{feed}&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+%24{makezineonline}+%28%24{MAKE}%29&utm_content=%24{GoogleReader}
[10:55:14] <XXCoder> better shorter url http://makezine.com/2013/07/29/christopher-blasius-wooden-cnc-router/
[10:56:19] <_methods> interesting
[10:56:45] <XXCoder> yeah he made covers himself
[10:58:46] <shaun413> Oh phew
[10:58:58] <Jymmm> Does anyone know where to find 12ga zipcord?
[10:59:15] <Jymmm> rubberized if possible
[10:59:38] <shaun413> mcmaster has it all
[11:01:46] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-FT-12-AWG-GAUGE-ZIP-WIRE-RED-BLACK-STRANDED-COPPER-POWER-GROUND-/231146793188?pt=US_Car_Audio_Power_Speaker_Wire&hash=item35d16c28e4
[11:01:53] <humble_sea_bass> ebay if you're a yankee
[11:03:09] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Thanks, but that type I have. The issues is that it scuffs/nicks fairly easily, thus the "rubberized" aspects, as it will be layed out, on the ground, etc.
[11:03:38] <humble_sea_bass> oh sorry, i thought you jsut meant regular ol jacketed
[11:04:14] <Jymmm> Doesn't have to be jacketed, but there is a rubberized version I've seen (in pics) that I can't find.
[11:04:26] <humble_sea_bass> I use home depot extention cables to get tought stuff like that
[11:04:34] <Jymmm> jacketed?
[11:05:02] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, the kind you'd have on a quality power tool
[11:06:12] <XXCoder> 12:00 on that video he used cheap plastic sheet to make accordian bellows
[11:06:27] <Jymmm> Ah, yeah. I can't afford the bulk/weight of jacketed for this project, but the blk/red is a little too delicate for the intended purpose.
[11:06:48] <Jymmm> you look at that stuff too long and it nicks =)
[11:07:12] <witnit> http://199.168.73.34/7i90.jpg
[11:07:24] <witnit> inputs and outputs working via epp :)
[11:07:36] <Jymmm> Where's the cheap ass china stuff with the extra thick insulation when you need it =)
[11:08:09] <humble_sea_bass> I normally just buy cable jackets and thread stuff through em if I can't find the right number of conductors
[11:09:10] <Jymmm> I need this to fit in my back pocket
[11:09:24] <_methods> damn you want it all
[11:09:33] <humble_sea_bass> look at some Romex
[11:09:45] <_methods> durable, light weight, cheap, and small
[11:09:47] <Jymmm> has to be stranded
[11:09:52] <humble_sea_bass> the jacket is relatively thin compared to ext cable and it is tought
[11:09:52] <_methods> and stranded now
[11:09:53] <_methods> lol
[11:10:00] <humble_sea_bass> since it is meant to be fished through your wall
[11:10:22] <Jymmm> _methods: I said zipcord you goober!
[11:10:31] <_methods> hehe
[11:10:52] <shaun413> ok be honest
[11:10:59] <shaun413> is gingery a better option?
[11:11:20] <_methods> wow
[11:11:24] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[11:11:33] -!- shaun413 was kicked from #linuxcnc by Jymmm!~jymmm@unaffiliated/jymmm [shaun413]
[11:12:29] <humble_sea_bass> wow
[11:12:47] <humble_sea_bass> i got serve myself coffee and this happens
[11:13:14] <_methods> that boy's a persistent as a coon hound with 2 peckers
[11:13:16] <XXCoder> Don't pee in it
[11:14:08] <humble_sea_bass> some southern wisdom if i ever heard any
[11:17:05] <_methods> haha
[11:17:20] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Voodoo-Black-Speaker-Wire-12-gauge-True-AWG-true-spec-50-ft-588-strands-/301140681621?pt=US_Car_Audio_Power_Speaker_Wire&hash=item461d622395
[11:17:29] <_methods> i had a guy one time tell me he was " more fucked up than a cricket caught in a hub cap at 85mph"
[11:17:47] <humble_sea_bass> colder than a well diggers ass
[11:18:05] <_methods> hehe
[11:18:06] <XXCoder> oh yeah gonna ask
[11:18:21] <shaun413> .
[11:18:26] <XXCoder> what gauge wires should I use on cnc electric system?
[11:18:39] <_methods> depends on current and voltage
[11:18:48] <XXCoder> lemme get system link a sec
[11:19:06] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, look at your motors, and look at the stuff your hooking up
[11:19:09] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[11:19:11] <_methods> amps
[11:19:21] <XXCoder> 3A I think motors is 4a
[11:19:22] <shaun413> 3 Amp
[11:19:27] <shaun413> use 16
[11:19:29] <humble_sea_bass> and use the wire ampacity table from the NEC XXCoder
[11:19:39] <_methods> ^^
[11:19:39] <shaun413> 18 is fine..
[11:19:52] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Like this, but 12ga... http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-250-ft-18-2-SJOOW-300-Volt-Rubber-Cord-Black-55811644/202316439
[11:19:54] <_methods> or you can listen to shaun413
[11:19:57] <XXCoder> reading chart now
[11:20:03] <XXCoder> listen to troll?
[11:20:05] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[11:20:47] <humble_sea_bass> you don't want actual zip wire, you need 2 conductor
[11:21:41] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: it gives you allowed ampacity based on length with a built in safety factor
[11:21:54] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: There actually is rubber zipcord (which is fine), I just can't find the shit.
[11:22:09] <_methods> like on extension cords?
[11:22:17] <_methods> or lamp cords
[11:22:21] <Jymmm> _methods: like on a lamp or appliance
[11:22:31] <_methods> yeah
[11:22:34] <humble_sea_bass> that Voodoo brand speaker wire looks beefier, b ut still vynil
[11:23:04] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: it looks brittle too (insulation)
[11:23:25] <Jymmm> especially in cold
[11:23:29] <XXCoder> http://74.50.20.110/wiringdiagram.jpg nice
[11:24:22] <humble_sea_bass> I use monoprice speaker wires which have a protective vynil jacket, and yes it is brittle when cold
[11:24:29] <XXCoder> odd though as gauge decrease with length
[11:24:34] <Jymmm> Damnit, they has 14-2, but not 12-2, http://www.homedepot.com/s/14-2%2520SJOOW?NCNI-5
[11:25:35] <XXCoder> oh right. forgot diameter INCREASES with gauge decrease
[11:25:37] <XXCoder> hate that
[11:25:37] <_methods> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/12-2-SJOOW-Portable-Cord-300V-UL-CSA.html
[11:25:43] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Pro-PSCBLF300-Speaker-Rubber-Jacket/dp/B004G8CTR4
[11:25:53] <humble_sea_bass> these guys are near me, Pyle
[11:26:13] <XXCoder> looks like 16 gauge is just fine
[11:26:15] <humble_sea_bass> good enough for an amp
[11:26:24] <CaptHindsight_> 12-2 SOJ should be easy enough to get at most electrical supply
[11:26:36] <_methods> yeah
[11:26:54] <_methods> they actually probably have it at home depot or lowes
[11:26:57] <_methods> on the cable tower
[11:27:05] <humble_sea_bass> home depot = hell
[11:27:09] <_methods> agreed
[11:27:19] <_methods> your equation looks legit
[11:27:22] <CaptHindsight_> did the rabbit see its shadow? I got up late today and didn't hear
[11:27:32] <moorbo> groundhog....
[11:27:39] <XXCoder> Do I use simple plug and cut one end off and wire to my cnc power supply?
[11:27:50] <XXCoder> probably computer plug, I has million of those
[11:27:53] <_methods> yeah
[11:27:56] <CaptHindsight_> the rabbit saw a groundhog?
[11:28:00] <moorbo> yes.
[11:28:06] <moorbo> winter will stay
[11:28:17] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight_: it didnt see its shadow but saw shotgun shadow
[11:28:22] <XXCoder> so yeah winter forever now
[11:28:41] <Jymmm> Hmmmm, they have 10ga... http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/10-2-SJOOW-Portable-Cord-300V-UL-CSA.html
[11:29:11] <Jymmm> but generic pic *sigh*
[11:29:30] <Jymmm> Maybe I'll hit a local electrical supply this week
[11:29:38] <humble_sea_bass> basically this happened http://books.google.com/books?id=cQYRp8EQrzUC&pg=PA376&lpg=PA376&dq=the+risen+lord,+the+risen+lord+has+risen+in+the+flesh,+and+treads+the+earth+to+feel+the+soil&source=bl&ots=l7HOffFAWK&sig=7GwOY5iH-VoVQIfLwHYdCkdhD-s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jfFTU9mpENDKsQS0poD4BQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20risen%20lord%2C%20the%20risen%20lord%20has%20risen%20in%20the%20flesh%2C%20and%20treads%20the%20earth%20to%20feel%20the%20soil&f=false
[11:30:11] <CaptHindsight_> throws humble_sea_bass a life preserver
[11:30:13] <XXCoder> according to some people yes
[11:30:34] <humble_sea_bass> this is the illest poem
[11:31:01] <humble_sea_bass> jesus wakes up and is all like "oh what, now I just have to be a dude"
[11:31:15] <XXCoder> then turned into egg laying rabbit
[11:31:18] <CaptHindsight_> off to the traditional pig roast and swapmeet
[11:31:33] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: bastard!
[11:47:58] <XXCoder> weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mOqjFa4RskA
[11:50:45] <witnit> pete
[11:50:59] <witnit> I got my 7i90 working
[11:51:08] <witnit> im excited had to tell someone new
[11:57:14] <PetefromTn_> Hey man congrats.
[11:59:03] <witnit> thanks, these things are really exciting since im so bad at this ahaha, I had the card over a week and kept getting intimidated :P
[11:59:07] <CaptHindsight_> XXCoder: easter magic
[11:59:25] <_methods> witnit: it's a lot of info to process
[11:59:28] <_methods> all the choice
[11:59:30] <_methods> cards
[11:59:32] <_methods> motors
[11:59:40] <XXCoder> yep capt lol
[12:00:07] <_methods> heh i've had projects that went on for years
[12:00:17] <_methods> i keep coming back armed with a little more info
[12:00:25] <_methods> fuck it up
[12:00:29] <_methods> rinse wash repeatr
[12:00:59] <_methods> making a battery tab welder right now
[12:01:17] <witnit> I went from iso>pnconf>5i25 then in one week did github>codesconfigsnthings>7i90hd
[12:01:24] <witnit> totally lost for 4 days straight
[12:01:44] <_methods> hehe
[12:01:50] <witnit> the wizards are nice
[12:02:08] <witnit> but man... I never used gitgub before or really comppiled anything I had no idea what was happening haha
[12:03:26] <XXCoder> github? or different site?
[12:03:36] <witnit> oh
[12:03:42] <witnit> typo
[12:05:52] <witnit> hmm looks like a spot welder _methods
[12:06:21] <_methods> yeah for batteries
[12:06:37] <_methods> one of those lingering projects
[12:06:58] <witnit> If you were real good you could pick up an industrial sewing machine with a good feeder on it, you could run a mile of them in 2 minutes :)
[12:07:46] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/74iaansyvb3d9rm/2014-04-20%2012.48.03.jpg
[12:08:08] <witnit> nice choice
[12:08:12] <_methods> hehe easter, beer, scr, and big shitty audio cap lol
[12:08:16] <witnit> looks great
[12:08:42] <witnit> you think you could slide a beercan over that cap?
[12:08:49] <_methods> still need to figure out what i'm gonna hold the electrodes with
[12:08:50] <witnit> redbull size one
[12:09:05] <witnit> ceramic?
[12:09:05] <_methods> i'ts bigger than red bull
[12:09:12] <_methods> but i could wrap one
[12:09:18] <_methods> no idea yet
[12:09:42] <_methods> gonna start assembling the circuits and think about it lol
[12:09:56] <_methods> http://www.philpem.me.uk/elec/welder/images/schematic.png
[12:09:59] <witnit> get some chics junk hair straitener and see if it has good mounts on the ceramics
[12:10:26] <_methods> i got some dead tungsten from work for the trodes
[12:10:47] <_methods> just need to make a holder now
[12:10:56] <_methods> probably use a pen or something
[12:10:58] <witnit> switch would have variable power maybe, or just do that with knob?
[12:11:09] <witnit> foot switch*
[12:11:14] <_methods> well they use foot switch
[12:11:19] <_methods> but i'm gonna mount one on the trode
[12:11:24] <witnit> yeah but that just for on off I would think
[12:11:26] <_methods> so i can hit it with my hand
[12:11:38] <_methods> one of those pcb mount buttons
[12:11:40] <witnit> if you set it for variable amps you could control it like a tig
[12:12:13] <witnit> I dont know how that would help much though
[12:12:28] <_methods> i think this one uses the voltage
[12:12:30] <witnit> unless you were doing copper tubing and such building tools as well
[12:12:41] <_methods> i'm just welding battery tabs
[12:12:55] <_methods> people make plasma cutters out of these i guess
[12:12:56] <witnit> no need for all my crazy talk then haha
[12:12:57] <_methods> real rough
[12:12:59] <witnit> yeah?
[12:13:03] <_methods> yeah
[12:13:05] <witnit> sound off
[12:13:13] <_methods> try and find link one sec
[12:13:14] <witnit> like it would not be of much use
[12:13:19] <PetefromTn_> whaddahell are you making>
[12:13:26] <_methods> battery tab welder
[12:13:33] <_methods> for making li-ion packs
[12:13:47] <witnit> why not just build an addon for your milling machine spindle to do the welding
[12:13:53] <witnit> then you could automate it
[12:14:14] <PetefromTn_> you building an electric car or something?
[12:14:39] <_methods> nah i'm just an idiot
[12:14:49] <_methods> i had some laptop battery packs
[12:14:53] <_methods> that were "dead"
[12:14:59] <_methods> then i found out about 18650's
[12:15:13] <_methods> then i started thinking hey i could do some cool projects with this
[12:15:18] <_methods> but i needed to make packs
[12:15:30] <PetefromTn_> whatsa 18650?
[12:15:44] <_methods> it's a li-ion battery in laptop battery packs
[12:15:52] <_methods> i had a ton of old laptop batteries
[12:16:00] <_methods> so dind't want to just throw them away
[12:16:31] <_methods> then it took me down into this crazy world of batteries lol
[12:16:42] <witnit> dang if I knew that...
[12:16:53] <PetefromTn_> well technically you can't just throw them away LOL.
[12:16:54] <_methods> man they are everywhere
[12:16:58] <witnit> I saw this deal for 500AA rechargeable for very cheap
[12:17:08] <witnit> would have kept you busy awhile
[12:17:12] <_methods> haha
[12:17:19] <witnit> like 60 bucks
[12:17:20] <_methods> well i got my hands full with this now
[12:17:40] <PetefromTn_> if they are dead then what good are they?
[12:17:49] <_methods> most of them aren't dead
[12:17:51] <_methods> that's the thing
[12:17:57] <_methods> only 1 cell has to go bad
[12:18:05] <_methods> then the whole battery will read dead
[12:18:09] <_methods> it's a safety thing
[12:18:18] <PetefromTn_> hows that for redundancy..
[12:18:31] <_methods> so most of the cells will be good still in there
[12:18:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[12:19:01] <XXCoder> most batteries can be fixed by replacing that bad cell
[12:19:01] <_methods> i had one battery that was sittin around for 5 years and they were still reading 3.2v
[12:19:11] <_methods> one cell was 0
[12:19:34] <_methods> after 5 years
[12:19:42] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-500-Duracell-Rechargeable-AA-Batteries-NiMH-mAh-Electronics-Power-/201021845218?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item2ecdd5eee2
[12:19:43] <_methods> that's crazy i figured for sure they would all be worthless
[12:19:50] <witnit> that was one of the auctions he had
[12:19:57] <witnit> he ad many lots of these
[12:20:03] <_methods> yeah these are li-ion
[12:20:04] <witnit> I almost bought, bad idea?
[12:20:11] <_methods> i don't know shit about nimh
[12:20:18] <_methods> that's a whole other world of batteries
[12:20:43] <witnit> it looks like a good buy I know of the sales went less than 80
[12:20:57] <_methods> like your cordless drills and stuff use those
[12:21:03] <_methods> called subc cells
[12:21:09] <_methods> they do the same thing
[12:21:22] <_methods> 1 cell will go bad and your drill wont' hold a charge
[12:21:31] <_methods> you can replace the bad cells
[12:21:37] <_methods> and blammo new drill battery
[12:30:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[12:30:48] <XXCoder> I need to learn how to solder lol
[12:31:07] <XXCoder> so I can recover my dead battery on ancient laptop
[12:33:11] <PetefromTn_> This is all very interesting but what do you plan to do with the batteries?
[12:34:48] <_methods> hehe i'm not saying
[12:34:55] <_methods> i hope what i'm doin will get on hackaday
[12:35:13] <_methods> it'
[12:35:18] <_methods> it's pretty ghetto
[12:35:25] <_methods> so i'm sure i'll make it on some site lol
[12:35:46] <_methods> but it could be pretty useful
[12:37:17] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[12:37:32] <XXCoder> hey ich
[12:37:41] <XXCoder> I finally got electric system for cnc
[12:37:45] <XXCoder> looks cool
[12:38:19] <IchGuckLive> cool is if the mashine runs at the second start again
[12:38:52] <XXCoder> rails will take me a while. pretty expensive plus insane shipping
[12:39:42] <IchGuckLive> there are good cheep ones in homedepo to start with
[12:40:02] <XXCoder> got link?
[12:40:13] <XXCoder> and does it include screws system and such?
[12:40:18] <IchGuckLive> oh they released 2.5.4
[12:40:26] <IchGuckLive> cool lets test it
[12:42:48] <shaun413> hi
[12:42:54] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[12:42:57] <shaun413> Jymmm, is it ok if i post a lathe?
[12:43:41] <PetefromTn_> not unless you already bought it.
[12:43:50] <shaun413> I want to know if its good
[12:43:54] <shaun413> its a southbend
[12:43:59] <shaun413> 600 dollars
[12:44:32] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[12:45:25] <shaun413> .
[12:45:48] <XXCoder> It must be his magical dot that wards off pe
[12:46:00] <shaun413> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4431242849.html\
[12:46:16] <_methods> wow again
[12:52:55] <shaun413> should I contact that guy?
[12:53:18] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[12:53:47] <ReadError> can someone ban shaun413
[12:53:58] <ReadError> ;p
[12:58:24] <_methods> he's been kicked like 10 times now
[12:58:36] <shaun413> once
[12:58:48] <_methods> 2x just today
[12:59:04] <_methods> you're making jesus sad
[12:59:06] <shaun413> mute!=kick
[12:59:08] <_methods> it's easter
[13:13:57] -!- shaun413 was kicked from #linuxcnc by Jymmm!~jymmm@unaffiliated/jymmm [shaun413]
[13:14:06] <XXCoder> think its time for ban
[13:14:44] <ChuangTzu> what did he do
[13:14:47] <ChuangTzu> to deserve 10 kicks
[13:14:49] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Not what you had in mind?
[13:14:49] <ChuangTzu> and a ban
[13:15:04] <ChuangTzu> potential ban
[13:15:06] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Asked too many of the wrong questions.
[13:16:43] <PetefromTn_> XXcoder is banned?
[13:17:53] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Speak boy speak
[13:18:00] <XXCoder> woof!
[13:18:06] <Jymmm> good boy!
[13:18:09] <PetefromTn_> :D
[13:20:12] <XXCoder> lol
[13:20:45] * Jymmm sets mode: +b PetefromTn_!*@*
[13:25:20] <_methods> bout damn time i didn't think PetefromTn_ would ever get banned
[13:32:06] <PetefromTn_> Gee thanks
[13:32:20] <_methods> hnehe
[13:32:26] <_methods> oh damn he's still here
[13:37:01] <Einar> I visited a friend yesterday. He opened the back of his van and showed me an Emco Compact8 with cabinet. http://www.lathes.co.uk/emco/page2.html
[13:37:48] <Einar> And lots of tools. 4 chucks, collet chuck, vices etc. etc. At the right price too. (Donut).
[13:38:00] <XXCoder> probably "dropped off back of truck"
[13:38:27] <XXCoder> oh friend, nm
[13:38:33] <Einar> Naah. His father in law decided not to do metalwork after retiring anyway.
[13:39:05] <Einar> It did not look like it had ever been used!
[13:39:09] <XXCoder> wow
[13:39:21] <XXCoder> sell it to shaun for $2,000
[13:39:27] <XXCoder> he has all money he dont have.
[13:40:02] <Einar> That would be an excellent beginners lathe! Very tight in slides and screws. Made in Austria, not far east.
[13:40:37] <XXCoder> yeah it looks great
[13:40:41] <XXCoder> you grabbing it?
[13:41:01] <Einar> We're hoping his youngest son will catch interest. Not so easy to get hurt as our bigger lathes.
[13:41:19] <XXCoder> nice
[13:41:51] <Einar> Just have to make a kill switch that will not allow start unless the chuck key is in it's holder. ;-)
[13:42:02] <XXCoder> smart yeah
[13:42:19] <Einar> Kill switch is better than kill key.
[13:42:28] <XXCoder> if hes not paying enough attention to place cguck key in, hes not paying enough attenion to avoid mistakes
[13:43:19] <archivist> you need some self damage to learn
[13:43:39] <Einar> Have you ever encountered a 17year old? Attention is not properly developed.
[13:43:41] <archivist> part of growing up
[13:44:04] <XXCoder> brain isnt fully grown till 21 yr old or so
[13:44:10] <_methods> ah man so who's the lucky one that gets to damage him
[13:44:11] <archivist> I had one today wander off mid job while starting up
[13:44:24] <XXCoder> last system to grow in is planning and such forgot specific name
[13:45:11] <Einar> I know. I had a >1m long rod whipping the slides of my first lathe. Earned me some serious skidmarks in my trousers!! But I learned. :-)
[13:45:28] <archivist> the pump had not been fully tightened from the winter and youngan wanted to help.... he got wet
[13:49:27] <XXCoder> heh
[13:49:39] <archivist> about 20 nuts to pull down to get the packing to seal http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_04_31_Leawood/P4300046.JPG
[14:40:52] <Jymmm> Any ideas on a Ford Expedition roof mount antenna mast bracket?
[14:45:46] <Tom_itx> i got a couple ideas on Ford in general
[14:47:24] <Jymmm> and on a bracket?
[14:48:09] <Jymmm> I need it to tilt up/down, but not sure on the mount part.
[14:48:36] <Tom_itx> cb?
[14:48:41] <Tom_itx> phone?
[14:48:50] <Tom_itx> satphone?
[14:49:03] <Jymmm> No, 10-30ft mast
[14:49:22] <Jymmm> collapsable
[14:49:23] <Tom_itx> mount it on the bumper like everybody else does
[14:49:42] <Tom_itx> with a tennis ball on it to keep the body from getting marred
[14:49:45] <Jymmm> 30 feet?
[14:50:03] <Tom_itx> why you mounting it to a vehicle anyway?
[14:50:22] <Jymmm> Uh, for mobile operation
[14:50:36] <Tom_itx> 30' doesn't sound very mobile
[14:50:52] <Jymmm> It's not uncommon
[14:51:23] <Jymmm> Usually you drive over the base and use the tire as a weight
[14:52:23] <Jymmm> What I need is a way to MOUNT it to the roof rack/rail system securely.
[14:53:04] <Jymmm> Probably use a 2.5" pvc conduit, 12" long to slip the mast into, then tilt up from there.
[14:54:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Not uncommon... http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h218/FJ80/radio/IMG_0916.jpg
[14:55:54] <Jymmm> ve7it: Hey lawernce, you have any ideas on a Ford Expedition roof rack mast mount by chance?
[15:01:11] <zeeshan> Jymmm: trying to pick up cop transmissions? :D
[15:01:13] <zeeshan> hehe
[15:01:32] <zeeshan> i wouldn't feel comfortable mounting somethinking like that
[15:01:39] <zeeshan> unless it went to one of the strongest points on the car
[15:01:43] <zeeshan> (the frame)
[15:02:17] <zeeshan> the problem is you've got a roof with the ford expedition
[15:02:47] <zeeshan> you could make a rear strut bar and weld it off that and cut a hole in the roof and put a rubber grommet there
[15:02:56] <zeeshan> but the structural point would be the strut bar.
[15:03:53] <Jymmm> HUH?! wth you talkin bout wilber?!
[15:04:17] <zeeshan> archivist: what is that?
[15:04:19] <Einar> Jymm: Ham?
[15:04:28] <Jymmm> I'm not driving down the freeway ay 70MPH with a 30ft mast ya goober =)
[15:04:41] <Jymmm> Einar: ya
[15:04:44] <Tom_itx> especially if you go under a bridge
[15:05:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: or drive through
[15:05:47] <Tom_itx> what are you gonna do with it?
[15:06:05] <Jymmm> I already said like 5 times
[15:06:08] <Jymmm> *sugh*
[15:06:11] <Jymmm> sigh
[15:06:16] <Tom_itx> i didn't read the logs
[15:06:39] <Jymmm> just scroll back
[15:09:18] <Jymmm> This is the facotry roof rack. The front rail is fixed, the rear is adjustable, but the bars are not square, more oval http://www.hermesautoparts.com/productimages/1998%20Ford%20Expedition%20XLT%20-%20Roof%20Rack1.jpg
[15:10:16] <Jymmm> Kinda like this http://www.maxmotors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/2012-Ford-Escape-Roof-Rack-e1342798507971.jpg
[15:10:26] <zeeshan> whoops
[15:10:29] <zeeshan> didnt see the roof rack
[15:13:27] <Einar> Could you mount it on the trailer hitch with struts to the front of the roof rack?
[15:14:54] <Jymmm> I want to utilize the roof rack. I'm just look for ideas for a bracket to MOUNT to the cross bars of the existing roof rack as they are oval.
[15:15:12] <Jymmm> and tapered too.
[15:15:28] <Jymmm> On the ends, 4" wide, in the middle about 3" wide.
[15:15:54] <Jymmm> )( <--- like that
[15:16:10] <Jymmm> but 4ft long
[15:16:22] <Jymmm> (or tall in the case of the ascii art)
[15:16:24] <Einar> You need a cnc mill to make brackets. ;-)
[15:16:35] <zeeshan> never
[15:16:43] <Jymmm> wouldn't matter, it's the taper thats the issue.
[15:17:09] <Jymmm> they are hollow aluminum, so if I crank down I think they'l collapse
[15:17:35] <Einar> Not if you machine the brackets to the shape of the tubes?
[15:17:35] <Jymmm> They're strong, as long as you dont' crush them
[15:18:13] <Jymmm> YEah, well no.
[15:18:59] <Jymmm> I'm sure there is somethign already out there, just unknown to me.
[15:19:55] <zeeshan> Jymmm: curious to get some parameters from u
[15:20:01] <zeeshan> how fast will you travel with it
[15:20:06] <zeeshan> and its 30 feet tall by how wide?
[15:20:09] <Jymmm> They have these roof baskets that mount to roof racks (rails?), just not sure HWO they are mounting them http://rackattackcoquitlam.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/photo2.jpg
[15:20:25] <zeeshan> i think those are screwed in
[15:20:28] <Jymmm> HOW*
[15:20:32] <zeeshan> to the structural refinrocement of the roof
[15:20:46] <XXCoder> Jymmm: must be hollow?
[15:20:59] <Jymmm> The baskets distribute any load on/in them.
[15:21:03] <XXCoder> if not you could put wood where clamp would be placed in
[15:21:11] <XXCoder> so it wont deform inwards
[15:21:18] <zeeshan> http://johnhughes.hyundai.com.au/Images/UserUploadedImages/3909/Dual_Centre_Roofrail.jpg
[15:21:19] <zeeshan> kind of like that.
[15:21:36] <XXCoder> ahh car part. nm heh
[15:21:37] <zeeshan> i know SUVs have that
[15:21:39] <zeeshan> cars dont
[15:21:41] <Jymmm> Let me take some pics
[15:21:52] <zeeshan> Jymmm: please tell me the width
[15:21:57] <zeeshan> and height and speed
[15:22:10] <zeeshan> i just wanna see what kind of force air will put on it
[15:22:46] <Einar> Make a split "box" bracket. Wrap your roof rack in saran wrap. Then fill that box with bondo and clamp it on. Shave off some at the split and you have a perfect fitting clamp.
[15:36:16] * Jymmm smacks the shit out of zeeshan! 2014-04-20.12:47:05 Jymmm: I'm not driving down the freeway ay 70MPH with a 30ft mast ya goober =)
[15:36:24] <zeeshan> O
[15:39:34] <Jymmm> Ok, this IDEA, but using a 12" piece of PVC conduit that the mast would slip into http://www.qsl.net/ke6d/images/Antennas/MastBase1.jpg
[15:40:21] <Jymmm> That mast would slip into the 12" piece, then carriage pin lock in place
[15:40:48] <Jymmm> The mast then can be tilted up or down as needed.
[15:41:49] <Jymmm> The mast is telescopic, and when collapsed, would rest/be clamped to the 2nd roof rail
[15:42:06] <Jymmm> in some fashion.
[15:42:22] <Jymmm> not clamped, but could be a bungy cord or whatever
[15:42:31] <Jymmm> just so it doens't bounce around
[15:49:21] <PetefromTn_> LOL cracks me up..
[15:49:54] <zeeshan> what cracks you up
[15:50:41] <PetefromTn_> The Image of Jim smackin' the shit out of you for thinking he was gonna try to drive down the freeway with a 30' mast sticking out of an explorer..
[15:51:14] <zeeshan> haha
[15:51:54] <PetefromTn_> and I mean that in the NICEST possible way man LOL
[15:52:19] <zeeshan> http://www.thegearbox.org/i//t56_input_shaft.jpg
[15:52:25] <zeeshan> i gotta measure the runout of this
[15:52:33] <zeeshan> i'm thinking surface plate
[15:52:38] <zeeshan> gauge blocks, and 2 v-blocks?
[15:52:58] <zeeshan> or..
[15:53:07] <zeeshan> 4 jaw chuck grab the tiny end
[15:53:19] <zeeshan> dial it in , and measure the runout on the other bearing end?
[15:53:21] <PetefromTn_> Put it between centers in your lathe.
[15:53:26] <zeeshan> hahah
[15:53:27] <zeeshan> or that.
[15:53:32] <zeeshan> see i love talking it out here :)
[15:53:39] <zeeshan> someones got a better way of doing it
[15:53:45] <Jymmm> Only one fucking photo in focus! lol
[15:54:09] <PetefromTn_> Or do like I do and slap a piece of drop stock in the headstock and turn a center on it
[15:54:31] <PetefromTn_> Why is it bent?
[15:54:35] <zeeshan> i don't know
[15:54:38] <zeeshan> thats what im checking for
[15:54:52] <zeeshan> im basically going through each component and checking if its within spec
[15:54:58] <zeeshan> so i can order the trans parts i need
[15:55:04] <zeeshan> and not waste money on replacing something thats good
[15:55:27] <PetefromTn_> Did you smoke your RX tranny?
[15:55:31] <zeeshan> no
[15:55:38] <zeeshan> building it so it can handle 700ft-lb
[15:55:48] <zeeshan> factory they are rated for 450ft-lb
[15:56:01] <zeeshan> but im checking everything so i dont get any nasty suprises laterr on
[15:56:28] <PetefromTn_> Send it out for cryo treatment
[15:56:45] <PetefromTn_> have them check it while it is there.
[15:57:02] <zeeshan> the local cryotreat is a cryotreat place only
[15:57:05] <zeeshan> not a machine shop
[15:57:13] <zeeshan> i have a manual, im just following it :P
[15:57:25] <PetefromTn_> OK
[15:57:37] <Jymmm> I MIGHT be able to use 1" wide x 1/8" aluminum bar stock to create an adjustable mountpint in the existing tracks
[15:58:18] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm How much does the shaft weigh I ask knowing the kinda answers I will be getting LOL
[15:58:44] <Jymmm> [_________________] <--- that's whats on the roof already, two five feet apart
[15:59:49] <Jymmm> [_________________] <--- that's whats on the roof already; two of them, five feet apart, which the oval shaped cross bars slide on and raised 3" off the roof, but curved
[16:00:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know my Astro van has similar stuff.
[16:00:44] <Jymmm> and there is "dimples" every 2" or so inside that track for a pin to lock the cross bars into
[16:01:08] <PetefromTn_> I would probably look to make some steel crossmounts that secure to the original longitudinal rails and tig weld on your mount somewhere in the middle.
[16:01:21] <Jymmm> stell rusts
[16:01:23] <Jymmm> steel
[16:01:29] <Jymmm> maybe SS
[16:01:31] <PetefromTn_> There are ways to prevent that...
[16:01:51] <Jymmm> But at only 1" wide, "shuoudn't" be an issue
[16:02:19] <PetefromTn_> but if they are as you say five feet apart which is surprising then aluminum will bend on you from the weight.
[16:02:28] <Jymmm> Of course I don't have any bar stock on hand, only angle
[16:02:38] <PetefromTn_> angle might actually be better..
[16:02:53] <Jymmm> wont slide inthe rails [__________]
[16:03:06] <Jymmm> it has to be end-fed
[16:03:13] <Jymmm> into the existing rails
[16:03:18] <PetefromTn_> use two opposing each other with the mount in between them and relieve the ends to fit into the rails.
[16:03:29] <Jymmm> ?!
[16:03:41] <Jymmm> hang on
[16:04:33] <zeeshan> 1/8x1" 6061 flat bar bends like a wet noodle
[16:04:34] <zeeshan> :D
[16:04:34] <Jymmm> http://i61.tinypic.com/xbbm14.jpg
[16:04:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know..
[16:04:48] <zeeshan> but 1x1 angle is strong :D
[16:05:02] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that rail is awesome!
[16:05:07] <zeeshan> you could slide a angle in there
[16:05:11] <zeeshan> and bolt it on
[16:05:34] <Jymmm> [____] Again, note the [ ] and not | |
[16:05:39] <zeeshan> yes
[16:05:46] <zeeshan> flat bar might work better.
[16:05:52] <Jymmm> ANGLE WILL NOT SLIDE IN
[16:06:02] <zeeshan> flat bar will
[16:06:08] <Jymmm> NO SHIT?!
[16:06:11] <Jymmm> DUH
[16:06:14] <zeeshan> stop yelling
[16:06:18] <zeeshan> i'm only trying to fucking help
[16:06:31] <Jymmm> We'll I have to, cause you aint listening =)
[16:06:44] <PetefromTn_> I was talking about bars that run across from side to side not a single bar in one rail.
[16:06:45] <zeeshan> the angle of the pic made it look like you could slide angle in
[16:06:46] <Jymmm> I said angle wouldn't work =)
[16:06:47] <zeeshan> but i had to see it again
[16:07:08] <Jymmm> I COULD use SS bar though
[16:07:28] <zeeshan> how would you secure it though
[16:07:36] <Jymmm> tap it
[16:08:04] <Jymmm> the bolts would just seat in the dimples
[16:08:07] <PetefromTn_> You might be able to put a longer screw in where that original one is and make kind of a stud out of it to secure the mount.
[16:08:07] <zeeshan> like the way that rail is made it, it looks like you're supposed to use a t-bolt type of thing.
[16:08:12] <zeeshan> that clamps down
[16:08:41] <zeeshan> and uses the top and bottom faces of the top - edges of the [___]
[16:09:01] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I took off the crossbar, it uses a lever to push the pin down that seats in the dimples
[16:09:09] <zeeshan> ah
[16:09:48] <zeeshan> pete thats a bad ass idea
[16:09:52] <Jymmm> suns too bright to get a clear pic right now
[16:09:55] <zeeshan> using a long stud at the current location
[16:11:49] <Jymmm> Ok, 1" bar to physically attach to the rails, on top of that maybe 1" or 3/4" 80/20 to raise up above the curvature of the roof itself?
[16:12:11] <Jymmm> that would be expensive though
[16:12:23] <zeeshan> do you have a welder
[16:12:25] <Jymmm> Maybe just 1/2" square tubing
[16:12:28] <Jymmm> nope
[16:13:31] <Jymmm> My biggest thing is distributing the load in such a way that it doens't start to deform the cheap facotry rails
[16:13:46] <Jymmm> form repeated flexing back-and-fourth
[16:13:50] <Jymmm> from*
[16:15:52] <Jymmm> Cars are just tin these days.
[16:17:08] <Jymmm> If I use UV proof plastic block of some kind, then it wouldn't be solid/brittle, and just some flex
[16:17:15] <Jymmm> s/just/give/
[16:17:46] <Jymmm> THEN a cross bar of some sort yo munt a tilting bracket to
[16:17:52] <Jymmm> to mount*
[16:19:05] <Jymmm> a yolk if you will
[16:20:22] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/eHI2AMF.png
[16:20:29] <zeeshan> thats what i was trying to talk about
[16:20:39] <zeeshan> the bottom flat bar is a .375" thick piece, tapped
[16:20:54] <zeeshan> the top piece has a through hole
[16:21:08] <zeeshan> basically when you tighten the bolt down, it clamps on the edges of your current rail
[16:21:17] <zeeshan> and the top can be built into whatever you're trying to build?
[16:22:10] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I get the bottom bar; the top I question due to the CHEAP FACTORY RAILS may deform under pressure, but...
[16:22:22] <zeeshan> well you can extend these two flat bars
[16:22:24] <zeeshan> as long as you want
[16:22:31] <zeeshan> so distribute more area
[16:22:52] <zeeshan> if you can find out the thickness of the top raisl
[16:22:56] <Jymmm> I *might* be about to use shallow U-Bar for the top flipped upsidedown that "encases" the factory rails
[16:22:59] <zeeshan> (they look like steel)
[16:23:27] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Ha, yeah they are, maybe 18ga steel =)
[16:23:33] <Jymmm> with a plastice cover
[16:23:37] <PetefromTn_> I would probably remove the factory screw and create a new mount going across to each side secured with that screw or a longer screw and mount the antenna mount in the middle or at one end.
[16:25:20] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Like this, 2" wide, turned over http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/316jlaYW7fL._SL500_SS120_.jpg
[16:25:27] <zeeshan> shear stress = F / A = 100lb / (0.0478*10) = 209psi ---> 0.0478 = 209psi 18 gauge , 10inches is the length we could prolly use.
[16:25:30] <Jymmm> for the top half
[16:25:45] <zeeshan> shear strength of steel is 3rd sqrt of 30kpsi
[16:26:05] <zeeshan> which is 519psi
[16:26:11] <zeeshan> so you'd have a factor of safety of 2
[16:26:18] <zeeshan> assuming your antenna weighed 100lb
[16:26:47] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that would work too (the u channel)
[16:26:54] <zeeshan> but i think itll be harder to find standard pieces
[16:27:12] <zeeshan> at least locally i know i have a hard time finding anything but 1x1 1x2 2x3 etc
[16:27:31] <Jymmm> fuck it, mount one of this the full length of the factory rails, one on each side http://www.frostelectric.com/WOE-IMAGES/00812567.jpg
[16:27:37] <zeeshan> hahah
[16:27:44] <zeeshan> unistrut is the best!
[16:28:03] <Jymmm> I then would have an adjustable rail system, and it would/should distribute the load
[16:28:20] <Jymmm> I think those are rust proof?
[16:28:27] <zeeshan> theyre usually zinc coated
[16:28:36] <zeeshan> but they won't last long just like that in the weather
[16:28:45] <zeeshan> you can always paint it
[16:29:12] <Jymmm> do they come in aluminum?
[16:29:18] <zeeshan> not that ive seen
[16:29:56] <Jymmm> fudge
[16:30:01] <zeeshan> they have em in stainless
[16:30:07] <Jymmm> really???
[16:30:11] <XXCoder> I got question, Ick said I could buy some rail in home depot, but didn't say what it would be
[16:30:15] <zeeshan> http://www.eberliron.com/1439/P10001-58%27%27x1-58%27%27UnistrutChannel-STAINLESSSTEEL/category/1051.html
[16:30:19] <zeeshan> yea it seems more common then aluminum
[16:30:28] <zeeshan> but damn its expensive
[16:30:48] <Jymmm> $14/ft
[16:31:28] <XXCoder> too bad he left as soon as he saw linuxcnc was updated lol
[16:32:45] <Jymmm> $1.90/ft, hell if it rusts, just replace it. would be cheaper than painting it http://www.homedepot.com/p/Superstrut-1-5-8-in-x-10-ft-12-Gauge-Metal-Framing-Channel-ZA12HS10PG/100156509
[16:33:25] <XXCoder> powder coat it
[16:33:37] <Jymmm> XXCoder: still cheaper to replace it =)
[16:33:44] <Jymmm> and easier too
[16:33:49] <XXCoder> lol guess so
[16:33:57] <XXCoder> use shitty $1 paint
[16:34:10] <XXCoder> it probably would extend it long enough to save $1 lol
[16:34:19] <Jymmm> eh, maybe
[16:35:44] <Jymmm> Let's see.... 6ft wide, leaves 2x 24" pieces to fit of the factory roof rails. I'd *Think* that would do well to distribute load/flexiing
[16:37:17] <PetefromTn_> Hell with it just screw it right to the rooftop LOL....
[16:37:44] <Jymmm> roof is curved, have to raise it up some
[16:37:46] <XXCoder> only thing that should be made well and can weather well is base
[16:37:51] <PetefromTn_> I was kidding..
[16:37:59] <XXCoder> you can easily swap rods that rust
[16:39:11] <PetefromTn_> Buy you a real nice safari rack and mount it to that.... http://www.rocky-road.com/media/fullrack1.jpg
[16:39:11] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I could even mount a solar panel to the unistrut too
[16:39:35] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Insert YOUR cc here --> [ ]
[16:39:50] <PetefromTn_> cc?
[16:39:53] <XXCoder> File not found
[16:39:55] <Jymmm> credit card
[16:40:36] <Jymmm> dont they have galvenized unistrut?
[16:41:07] <PetefromTn_> There is a particular rack that lots of offroaders use that is not terrible expensive
[16:41:20] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: More than $40 USD ?
[16:42:23] <PetefromTn_> sure but it is also more than just an antennae mount too..
[16:42:42] <Jymmm> and?
[16:43:18] <PetefromTn_> and you are probably just good with some metal parts screwed to the roof somehow for much less money.
[16:43:30] <Jymmm> =)
[16:44:24] <PetefromTn_> http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/attachments/f14/6818d1268603908-my-rock-crawler-sportsmobile-dsc_0131.jpg Sell it and get one of these :D
[16:44:26] <Jymmm> They DO have aluminum unistrut, and its cheaper too https://www.platt.com/search.aspx?q=aluminum+unistrut
[16:44:48] <Jymmm> OH, nm, OUCH
[16:45:00] <Jymmm> That's per foot, not per stick.
[16:47:29] <PetefromTn_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Ford_explorer_offroad.jpg
[16:47:51] <XXCoder> https://sites.google.com/site/0miker0/home lol
[16:48:24] <XXCoder> thats exactly same controller as I have
[16:48:31] <XXCoder> so theorically I could build that
[16:50:29] <XXCoder> home depot https://seriousrobotics.wordpress.com/route-x-my-home-built-cnc/
[17:37:33] <Deejay> gn8
[19:02:41] <KreAture> hmm
[19:02:51] <KreAture> My center coax dial indicator was more to ship than price!
[19:02:56] <KreAture> I am discussing it now
[19:03:17] <KreAture> why the heck run first class priority mail express flatrate when you can do normal box in post type $80 vs $26
[19:03:32] <KreAture> The meter is less than $60
[19:14:15] <_methods> gotta love the coax
[19:14:38] <_methods> that's one of those life changing tools lol
[19:18:02] <Tom_itx> good ones are quite a bit more than that
[19:19:26] <_methods> yeah my blake was more than that for sure
[19:19:40] <_methods> don't really remember what i paid
[19:19:47] <_methods> but i know it wasn't cheap
[19:21:43] <_methods> just can't be beat for quick setups
[19:21:56] <_methods> i'd never use it on something that had to hold tenths
[19:26:05] <shaun413> Hi all
[19:30:27] <_methods> i want to get one of these
[19:30:29] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Haimer-CENTRO-co-axial-measurement-tool/dp/B000ZEJQ1K
[19:30:44] <_methods> little spendy though and i don't do enough setup anymore to justify it
[19:54:28] <shaun413> guys Im buying the lathe
[19:57:54] <archivist> zeeshan, 1849 steam powered pump http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/
[19:58:56] <jdh> what lathe
[19:59:24] <archivist> _methods, I have something similar, mine works well
[19:59:33] <_methods> to the haimer?
[19:59:44] <shaun413> a HF lathe
[19:59:54] <shaun413> seems like a decent deal for what I need
[20:00:16] <Connor> 25% coupon today.
[20:00:20] <shaun413> Yes
[20:00:25] <shaun413> 450 for the 7x12
[20:00:29] <shaun413> cant really beat that
[20:00:55] <archivist> _methods, http://swissinstruments.com/diatest_diacator.html
[20:01:08] <shaun413> good decision Connor ?
[20:01:13] <_methods> ah nice
[20:01:20] <Connor> shaun413: It is what it is.
[20:01:25] <shaun413> that is true
[20:01:31] <Connor> It's a lathe. it'll work.
[20:01:34] <_methods> yeah that looks better than blake
[20:01:36] <_methods> very solid
[20:02:01] <shaun413> it is indeed
[20:04:13] <archivist> _methods, I also have a now broken http://www.maschinensucher.de/ma2/bilder/Bohrungs-Zenturm-Finder-Centricator-Littmann-BA/581713.jpg
[20:04:32] <archivist> the glass tube got smashed
[20:04:44] <_methods> ouch
[20:04:47] <_methods> yeah tha't nice too
[20:04:48] <_methods> i like that
[20:05:16] <archivist> both work inside or out
[20:06:06] <_methods> makes my coax look like a toy......
[20:06:20] <_methods> i love them for setups
[20:06:27] <_methods> quick and easy
[20:06:50] <archivist> it is too big and has a fixed taper less easy to use
[20:07:31] <archivist> the diacator screws into adapters
[20:08:00] <archivist> and costs too much as well as the one you want
[20:08:14] <_methods> yeah i just can't justify that money anymore
[20:08:22] <_methods> i'm in the office all day
[20:44:01] <zeeshan> jdh nice
[20:44:20] <zeeshan> archivist: i got a monster deal today
[20:44:38] <zeeshan> relatively monster
[20:47:27] <jdh> a HF lathe?
[20:47:35] <ChuangTzu> heh
[20:47:35] <zeeshan> haha no
[20:49:11] <zeeshan> i got a bunch of mitutoyo ceramic gage blocks
[20:49:14] <zeeshan> for $20
[20:49:25] <zeeshan> they are sexy
[20:49:33] <_methods> score
[20:50:02] <zeeshan> http://www.amazonsupply.com/mitutoyo-ceramic-rectangular-micrometer-inspection/dp/B003U9W1ZA basically this set
[20:50:41] <_methods> man nice don't drop those guys
[20:50:49] <zeeshan> hah they will shatter
[20:50:58] <zeeshan> its really weird wringing ceramic blocks together
[20:51:01] <zeeshan> you'd think they'd fall apart
[20:51:04] <_methods> yeah how's that work
[20:51:05] <zeeshan> but they actually wring together
[20:51:12] <_methods> i've never used ceramic jo blocks
[20:51:18] <zeeshan> just so used to doing it with metal gage blocks
[20:51:25] <_methods> yeah
[20:51:44] <_methods> that shit would be locked in a box locked in a cabinet locked in the tool cage
[20:52:13] <zeeshan> im gonna use them only fo inspection
[20:52:23] <zeeshan> and use the other mitutoyo gauge blocks for setup of sine bar
[21:00:53] <_methods> nice
[21:00:59] <_methods> good you know what a damn sine bar is
[21:01:11] <zeeshan> i use it all the time!
[21:01:19] <shaun413> ok then
[21:01:20] <zeeshan> its the only way i know to setup an angle
[21:01:21] <shaun413> nevermind
[21:01:24] <zeeshan> for milling
[21:01:31] <shaun413> was told I cant make money with a lathe
[21:01:36] <shaun413> so, im not buying it
[21:01:40] <zeeshan> shaun413: can you please FUCK OFF?
[21:01:44] <shaun413> no
[21:01:44] <ChuangTzu> lol
[21:01:47] <zeeshan> you fucking retard
[21:01:51] <zeeshan> god this guy is getting on my nerves
[21:01:55] <shaun413> ?
[21:03:28] <ChuangTzu> :/
[21:03:51] * shaun413 cries
[21:20:36] * zeeshan ends tantrum
[21:20:36] <zeeshan> :D
[21:21:08] <jdh> petulance is not a virtue.
[21:21:23] <zeeshan> shrug
[21:21:24] <jdh> but, while you were gone, he changed his mind again.
[21:21:38] <ChuangTzu> yeah
[21:21:44] <ChuangTzu> he totally said he was going to buy that lathe now
[21:21:46] <zeeshan> rofl
[21:21:54] <zeeshan> please kill me
[21:21:56] <shaun413> .
[21:22:52] <jdh> not sure what he meant by needing two more johns though.
[21:22:56] <zeeshan> interesting: according to longislandindicator
[21:23:04] <zeeshan> "Starrett does not make a good quality micrometer although it's highly popular. Repairs sent to Starrett incur a high bench charge so it's probably more economical to find an independent repair shop to deal with these when the time comes."
[21:23:22] <shaun413> is it a possible to make money with a mini lathe?
[21:23:22] <zeeshan> they sound like bitter people ;p
[21:24:12] <ChuangTzu> not for you it isn't shaun413
[21:24:18] <ChuangTzu> :S
[21:24:21] <shaun413> ...
[21:24:27] <shaun413> not me
[21:24:29] <shaun413> in general
[21:24:51] <moorbo> wheres the b+ hammer
[21:26:53] <jdh> http://littlemachineshop.com/1928
[21:26:59] <jdh> I shoudl get one of those for my HF 7x
[21:27:15] <shaun413> you have one/
[21:27:31] <jdh> I have two
[21:27:34] <shaun413> :/
[21:27:40] <shaun413> do you make money with them?
[21:27:54] <jdh> no, I spend money on them.
[21:28:26] <shaun413> ah
[21:29:30] <shaun413> so not worth it to make money?
[21:29:46] <jdh> I make money doing other things.
[21:29:50] <shaun413> ?
[21:30:43] <jdh> have you considered buying one of these lathes and setting up a booth at a local flea market? metal turning while you wait?
[21:30:52] <jdh> freelance lathe work!
[21:30:55] <shaun413> no i havent
[21:31:00] <shaun413> who would pay for that
[21:31:02] <shaun413> loll
[21:34:23] <shaun413> well
[21:34:29] <shaun413> the lathe is on sale today for 450
[21:36:54] <humble_sea_bass> buy it
[21:37:08] <humble_sea_bass> actually, ask if you should buy it
[21:37:10] <shaun413> I dont want to if I dont know I can make money with it
[21:37:27] <humble_sea_bass> stop being retarded, problem solved
[21:39:11] <shaun413> .
[21:40:14] <Jymmm> jdh: Say, how is the hooker business going for you since you started?
[21:41:17] <shaun413> so
[21:44:11] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: note that Jymmm is already opped, choose words carefully
[21:44:26] <shaun413> im not doing anything wrong
[21:44:34] <shaun413> im on topic in a public channel
[21:49:46] <Jymmm> shaun413: If you think buying a lathe/mill is going to solve all you financial woes, it won't. You'll need YEARS of experience getting to a point you can LIVE (not just survive) on machining parts. If all you want to do is make hot heads, have you done the research? Is there something cheaper that what you can make coming out of china already? Could you just buy/import from china and sell locally instead of making them yourself? Have you
[21:49:47] <Jymmm> drawn up a business plan at the very least (which costs you nothing to do)? Plan out every step of what you want to do, not ask questions. Buying XYZ will NEVER EVER solve all the problems, if that was the case all 118 ppl in here would be zilionaries. Note: everything I've said is rthtorical, no need to actually answer anything, other than to yourself.
[21:50:44] <shaun413> I dont plan on this being a living
[21:50:50] <shaun413> I just want to make some cash
[21:51:00] <Jymmm> shaun413: Note: everything I've said is rthtorical, no need to actually answer anything, other than to yourself.
[21:51:15] <shaun413> Im aware
[21:51:17] <Jymmm> shaun413: Note: everything I've said is rthtorical, no need to actually answer anything, other than to yourself.
[21:51:22] <shaun413> ...
[21:54:40] <ChuangTzu> you figure it out.
[21:54:55] <shaun413> understood
[21:54:58] <shaun413> jdh,
[21:55:06] <shaun413> what accesories do you recommend for the 7x12
[21:57:42] <zeeshan> shaun413: look man
[21:57:46] <zeeshan> its not just about buying a lathe
[21:58:29] <zeeshan> for a lathe, you need a 3+4 jaw chuck, steady rest, some centers and you can get started.
[21:58:48] <Jymmm> cutters
[21:58:51] <zeeshan> after that you need cutters, if you wanna do it very cheaply, you can buy HSS toolbits.
[21:59:01] <Jymmm> dril bits
[21:59:03] <zeeshan> you'll need a grinder.
[21:59:12] <Jymmm> lube
[21:59:14] <zeeshan> drill bits, center drills are almost used daily on a lathe
[21:59:24] <Jymmm> hicama
[21:59:35] <zeeshan> after you've got t he machine, the cutters, you need inspection equipment.
[21:59:46] <zeeshan> for a lathe, at minimum you need a set of 0-4" micrometers 0.0001 resolution
[21:59:53] <Jymmm> calipers
[22:00:00] <Jymmm> TDI
[22:00:09] <zeeshan> you need a proper dial test indicator to measure runout and stuff. this means buying a mag base for it too
[22:00:15] <zeeshan> yea i totally forgot vernier calipers
[22:00:18] <zeeshan> you use that all the time
[22:00:33] <zeeshan> for cutters you need boring bars also.
[22:00:49] <zeeshan> everything i listed above costs more than the 450 you'll spend on your lathe
[22:00:54] <Jymmm> spending $400 on a lathe = $600+ for the accesoeries
[22:01:11] <zeeshan> i spent 700 on my mills and about 2500 in cutters, and inspection equipment
[22:01:15] <zeeshan> er not mills,
[22:01:16] <Jymmm> it's ALWAYS the add ons that get ya
[22:01:17] <zeeshan> lathe i mean
[22:01:26] <Jymmm> nickle and dime ya to death.
[22:01:34] <zeeshan> yea man, it adds up jymm!
[22:01:56] <Jymmm> Then, add another $1000 to CNC the lathe plus accessoeiries there.
[22:02:08] <zeeshan> i told you a long time ago to watch the mit shop training videos
[22:02:09] <zeeshan> and you didnt
[22:02:17] <zeeshan> cause you wouldn't be asking what accessories you need if you did
[22:02:29] <zeeshan> it covers all the basic things you need.
[22:03:14] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/144715/1397851920532.jpg
[22:03:22] <humble_sea_bass> chinese SSDs
[22:03:26] <Jymmm> Oh, and you'll find that $400 HF lathe isn't true, then you'll be fighting that for month and not get any productive work done till you fix it, if you can that is.
[22:03:52] <Valen> bastards even took the nuts off the dynabolts so you cant use them
[22:03:58] <Jymmm> Consider it a $400+ lesson
[22:04:13] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: that cant be real
[22:04:14] <zeeshan> lol
[22:04:19] <shaun413> :/
[22:04:22] <shaun413> I have calipers
[22:04:26] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/144711/1397845462160.jpg
[22:04:27] <Valen> shaun413: don't worry too much about Jymmm
[22:04:29] <shaun413> it comes with a center
[22:04:40] <shaun413> will it really cost that much?
[22:04:40] <Valen> what you need depends on what you want to do with it
[22:04:47] <humble_sea_bass> when you see SSDs on sale for super cheap, this is what's happening
[22:04:54] <zeeshan> thats funny
[22:05:12] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: those also don't have a large enough flash drive in them, they just mangle the format
[22:05:18] <humble_sea_bass> the USB chip is hacked to report 64GB for example, but only has 1GB
[22:05:24] <Valen> they are like 512mb drives
[22:05:32] <Valen> nah they do it in software i believe
[22:05:42] <zeeshan> lol
[22:05:43] <humble_sea_bass> I thought it was a HID hack
[22:05:44] <Valen> they just mangle the partition table on the flash
[22:06:03] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Youu got a jem there I see
[22:06:16] <Valen> shaun413: what do you want to do on your lathe?
[22:06:18] <humble_sea_bass> I got it at harbor freight
[22:06:26] <shaun413> well if it costs 700 dollars for tools
[22:06:28] <shaun413> I cant afford it
[22:06:38] <Valen> that wasn't the quesiton i asked
[22:06:42] <Valen> what do you want to do
[22:06:46] <shaun413> Valen, make hotends for 3d printers, or other little items that can make me some money
[22:06:55] <humble_sea_bass> he wants to make cock rings
[22:07:12] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: lathe would be bad for doing that, a pipe bender would be better ;-P
[22:07:31] <Valen> ok how much of that needs ultimate accuracy?
[22:07:42] <shaun413> Not too much
[22:07:42] <Valen> how much of it can you match fit?
[22:07:58] <shaun413> all of it
[22:08:17] <Valen> right so you don't care too much about accuracy
[22:08:19] <Valen> some sure
[22:08:21] <Valen> but not heaps
[22:08:38] <shaun413> yes
[22:08:43] <shaun413> to 1 thou is fine
[22:08:50] <Valen> what you will probably want is a decent surface finish, my friends with baby lathes recommend diamond tool holders
[22:09:02] <Valen> keep in mind that accuracy and precision are very different things
[22:09:03] <shaun413> yes
[22:09:09] <shaun413> I know
[22:09:16] <shaun413> so the sale ends in 70 mins
[22:09:17] <shaun413> btw
[22:09:46] <Valen> I wouldn't be buying this thinking you are going to make money off it, its too hard to compete with somebody with a jobbing CnC and pay your self a wage
[22:09:55] <Valen> if its a hobby and you like doing it then sure
[22:10:03] <Valen> if its a tool that you want then that is also great
[22:10:07] <Valen> lathes are very usefull
[22:10:09] <shaun413> well
[22:10:14] <shaun413> I do want to get it to make stuff
[22:10:16] <shaun413> But
[22:10:27] <shaun413> If i can at least make the money I spent on it back
[22:10:30] <shaun413> thats perfect
[22:10:41] <Valen> well do some sums on it then
[22:10:49] <shaun413> sums?
[22:10:51] <Valen> how much can you realisticly sell your stuff for
[22:10:56] <shaun413> 60 dollars
[22:10:57] <Valen> how long will it take to make said stuff
[22:11:01] <shaun413> for 10 bucks in materials
[22:11:05] <Valen> how much is the material costs
[22:11:06] <shaun413> takes maybe 3-4hrs
[22:11:24] <ChuangTzu> as much as working at mcdonalds
[22:11:26] <Valen> so you are making $12 an hour on it
[22:11:30] <ChuangTzu> but maybe more enjoyable
[22:11:37] <Valen> excluding any incidental costs
[22:11:44] <Valen> IE tool wear etc
[22:11:56] <ChuangTzu> msitakes
[22:11:57] <shaun413> thats fine
[22:11:57] <ChuangTzu> *mistakes
[22:12:08] <shaun413> unless you can think of something better to make
[22:12:29] <ChuangTzu> sigh
[22:13:14] <zeeshan> for 12$ an hour
[22:13:14] <zeeshan> id work at mcdonalds
[22:13:14] <zeeshan> :D
[22:13:18] <zeeshan> and eat fries all day
[22:13:19] <shaun413> ew
[22:13:33] <humble_sea_bass> I'm pretty sure shaun413 is Brick Tamland
[22:13:38] <Valen> again making stuff to sell competing against a jobbing CnC shop is not going to really be a winner
[22:13:40] <shaun413> ?
[22:13:51] <shaun413> so its NOT worth it?
[22:13:54] <Valen> jobbing CnC shop is going to pound them out in about 10 minutes a part
[22:14:03] <Valen> don't do it for money.
[22:14:06] <shaun413> I cant afford this if i cant make any money
[22:14:12] <shaun413> thats the thing
[22:14:14] <Valen> if you are going to be doing something you want to do then sure
[22:14:14] <zeeshan> shaun413:
[22:14:18] <zeeshan> i make money off the lathe all the time
[22:14:23] <zeeshan> people always need little htings done
[22:14:26] <zeeshan> and it makes money
[22:14:28] <shaun413> OK
[22:14:31] <shaun413> such as?
[22:14:38] <shaun413> and where do you find the jobs?
[22:14:41] <zeeshan> for example, ive made fittings
[22:14:44] <zeeshan> im on car forums
[22:14:56] <zeeshan> and i go to race events and thats wher ei make a majority of my side business
[22:15:04] <zeeshan> can i make a living off it? maybe, but its too much work.
[22:15:12] <zeeshan> and personally i'd go nuts if i had to machine everyday.
[22:15:17] <shaun413> I dont want to make a living
[22:15:19] <Valen> make stuff for one offs
[22:15:19] <humble_sea_bass> www.lathe-jobs.com is the best place to find lathe jobs
[22:15:24] <shaun413> a few hundred a month would be nice
[22:15:37] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: i actually clicked that, jerk !
[22:15:49] <Valen> so did i
[22:16:24] <humble_sea_bass> you're probably not on the whitelist to access this site that lets you make 120 dollars per hour with this one weird trick
[22:16:29] <humble_sea_bass> obama hates them
[22:16:34] <Valen> we use the lathe to make money, but its by selling 2x custom made devices to a scientist
[22:16:42] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: does it make you thinner too?
[22:16:53] <shaun413> yes, but where do you find these jobs?
[22:16:54] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, one weird trick
[22:17:04] <Valen> its not the lathe that makes the money, thats for jobbing CnC, its doing all the stuff around the lathe
[22:17:13] <Valen> IE use the lathe as you would a hammer
[22:17:20] <Valen> its not banging in nails that makes you money
[22:17:31] <Valen> its the custom made chest of drawers
[22:17:47] <Valen> if you make a *better* hot end for 3d printers and sell that for $500 a pop
[22:18:12] <shaun413> 500! lol
[22:18:27] <Valen> I hang around maker space mailing lists, lots of people there with no clue but very active so they show up on the googles
[22:18:44] <humble_sea_bass> Valen, that's shawn
[22:18:50] <humble_sea_bass> except he found us here
[22:19:50] <Valen> also keep in mind that you are going to have it for a decade ;->
[22:20:15] <Valen> at least
[22:20:30] <Valen> got a link to the thing you are looking at?
[22:21:26] <humble_sea_bass> 20 minutes after shaun413 gets his lathe running http://bestmoviesevernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/a-christmas-story-tongue-stuck-scene.jpg
[22:21:33] <shaun413> :/
[22:21:39] <Valen> link?
[22:25:19] <Valen> ok where the hell is my tape measure
[22:25:24] <Valen> did one of you blokes nick it?
[22:25:51] * zeeshan hands one
[22:25:51] <humble_sea_bass> you know tape measures are not precision tools
[22:25:52] <zeeshan> sorry!
[22:25:57] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: yes they are
[22:26:03] <zeeshan> my eyes can see within 15 thou !
[22:26:25] <zeeshan> don't diss the tape measure!
[22:26:40] <humble_sea_bass> the little end hook has 1/8 of play
[22:26:49] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: its supposed to
[22:26:53] <shaun413> :/
[22:27:01] <Valen> its to take out the thickness of the hook
[22:27:14] <zeeshan> someone sell me some hook scales
[22:27:24] <Valen> for my purposes +-10mm will be sufficent
[22:27:42] <zeeshan> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=67477&cat=1,43513
[22:27:43] <zeeshan> those
[22:27:45] <zeeshan> i only have B
[22:27:46] <zeeshan> :{
[22:27:58] <shaun413> so,
[22:28:07] <shaun413> I know you guys make money
[22:28:10] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[22:28:16] <shaun413> but can I, with a hf lathe...
[22:28:25] <Valen> heh i make money servicing computers
[22:28:39] <Valen> and doing electronics
[22:28:45] <Valen> writing software
[22:28:49] <humble_sea_bass> shaun, signs point to no.
[22:28:56] <Valen> havent fired up the lathe for weeks
[22:29:17] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, why?
[22:29:22] <humble_sea_bass> your temperament and technical abilities point to full blown fucktard
[22:29:30] <zeeshan> shaun413: machinists are a dying breed :{
[22:29:36] <Valen> that said last time we used the lathe it was for a job that got us ~$3k
[22:29:50] <zeeshan> valen let me guess
[22:29:54] <zeeshan> you weren't using a tiny little dinky lathe
[22:29:55] <zeeshan> :)
[22:30:01] <Valen> actually it was
[22:30:04] <zeeshan> really?
[22:30:05] <zeeshan> haha
[22:30:08] <zeeshan> damn it :[
[22:30:17] <Valen> yeah, the lathe is just a tool
[22:30:29] <Valen> we don't sell "lathe" stuff, we sell value added services
[22:30:42] <humble_sea_bass> when you told me you were a student at Rutgers I knew you sucked at life because you had not exploited the free to use machine shop there with the best fucking machines ever to make your parts, save some money to buy your own lathe
[22:30:44] <Valen> it was a one off thing for a university that had a spinning bit in it
[22:31:00] <Valen> dude if you have access to a uni shop use the hell out of that
[22:31:13] <shaun413> I do
[22:31:15] <Valen> perhaps invest in your own tools after you stop breaking the uni ones
[22:31:20] <zeeshan> whats rutgers?
[22:31:29] <Valen> become friends with the people who run the shop
[22:31:33] <humble_sea_bass> Valen: his aspergers makes him afraid to use it
[22:31:48] <humble_sea_bass> Rutgers is the college he claims to attend
[22:31:48] <Valen> he should get on just fine with all the people there then lol
[22:31:58] <humble_sea_bass> but I can't imagine they'd have him
[22:32:15] <Valen> shaun413: 25% off on a lathe from H&F isn't that big a deal
[22:32:27] <shaun413> oh?
[22:32:28] <Valen> does anybody have a link to the thing he was looking at?
[22:32:46] <shaun413> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html
[22:32:53] <Valen> get a 2nd hand one, hell if you offer to take it away from an estate sale or something you will probably get it for free
[22:33:07] <zeeshan> rutgers = university or college/
[22:33:25] <shaun413> uni
[22:33:30] <Valen> wow that really is a tiny lathe
[22:33:34] <humble_sea_bass> http://njaes.rutgers.edu/machine-shop/
[22:34:00] <shaun413> thats the sebs one
[22:34:04] <shaun413> not the SOE one
[22:34:06] <humble_sea_bass> http://sebsnjaesnews.rutgers.edu/2013/10/rutgers-njaes-machine-shop-is-back-in-business/
[22:34:10] <zeeshan> shaun413: what are you taking there
[22:34:15] <shaun413> aero engineering
[22:34:20] <Valen> now thats a lathe
[22:34:20] <zeeshan> first year?
[22:34:23] <shaun413> 2nd
[22:34:26] <Valen> with free greybeard
[22:34:28] <zeeshan> why do you sound so dumb
[22:34:31] <shaun413> idk
[22:34:32] <zeeshan> ?
[22:34:44] <zeeshan> don't make us engineers look like shit plz
[22:34:46] <shaun413> internet is like a smart shield for me
[22:34:48] <shaun413> I guess.
[22:34:49] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: i ask myself the same question, i can't believe it
[22:35:03] <Valen> he doesn't sound dumb, he sounds like a kid
[22:35:05] <zeeshan> shaun413: what courses are you taking right now
[22:35:08] <Valen> you were a kid at some point
[22:35:11] <zeeshan> im 29
[22:35:12] <Valen> play nice
[22:35:13] <humble_sea_bass> a 9 year old
[22:35:13] <zeeshan> im still a kid
[22:35:15] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:35:31] <shaun413> zeeshan, class is over in 2 wks
[22:35:46] <zeeshan> i didn't ask you when classes are finishing :{
[22:35:48] <humble_sea_bass> what classes are you flunking this semester
[22:35:50] <zeeshan> i asked you what courses are you taking
[22:36:06] <shaun413> calc, physics, elements of EE, cad, dynamics
[22:36:19] <humble_sea_bass> roofles
[22:36:26] <zeeshan> whats elements of EE
[22:36:36] <zeeshan> which calc
[22:36:37] <shaun413> exactly what it sounds like
[22:36:38] <humble_sea_bass> circuits
[22:36:38] <shaun413> 3
[22:36:42] <zeeshan> integrals of derivatives
[22:36:45] <zeeshan> oh
[22:36:47] <zeeshan> ODEs ?
[22:36:49] <Valen> yeah if you have access to a machine shop for free, make use of it
[22:36:54] <shaun413> multivar
[22:37:01] <zeeshan> dun dun dun
[22:37:03] <zeeshan> tell me something
[22:37:04] <Valen> don't buy that lathe now
[22:37:09] <zeeshan> what does a substational derivative mean
[22:37:18] <shaun413> didnt learn that
[22:37:30] <zeeshan> youre taking multivariable calc and didnt do substantial derviative?
[22:37:35] <shaun413> i guess
[22:37:40] <shaun413> we didnt cover that
[22:37:43] <zeeshan> what is a derivative in your words
[22:37:49] <humble_sea_bass> i mostly smoked weed throug that class to be fair
[22:37:51] <zeeshan> you're in calc 3 you can answer that
[22:37:57] <shaun413> Unless it goes by a different name
[22:38:03] <Valen> zeeshan: did you go to the same university?
[22:38:13] <zeeshan> Valen: no im at mcmaster
[22:38:14] <Valen> if not then perhaps they have a different sylibus
[22:38:19] <zeeshan> www.mcmaster.ca
[22:38:27] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, you went to ru?
[22:38:38] <zeeshan> shaun413: cmon answer my question
[22:38:40] <shaun413> that EEE class sucks...
[22:38:41] <zeeshan> so i can build some respect for u
[22:38:44] <shaun413> what zeeshan ?
[22:38:45] <Valen> so stop trying to big note your self
[22:38:48] <humble_sea_bass> i was across the river
[22:38:55] <zeeshan> what is a derivative in your words
[22:38:59] <shaun413> Oh
[22:39:06] <Valen> he wants you to answer the question you just said wasn't covered so he can feel big about himself
[22:39:07] <zeeshan> not a wiki definition
[22:39:07] <shaun413> a function of the slope...
[22:39:16] <zeeshan> valen no i changed the question
[22:39:34] <humble_sea_bass> dude he did this stuff, stokes, euler greenes and all that shit
[22:39:37] <Valen> to what end?
[22:39:48] <shaun413> we are doing greenes next lecture
[22:39:50] <shaun413> actually
[22:39:53] <Valen> guy is asking about lathes
[22:39:56] <zeeshan> function of the slope is pretty good definition
[22:39:57] <zeeshan> respect
[22:39:58] <humble_sea_bass> greens condom theorem
[22:40:02] <shaun413> ha
[22:40:11] <zeeshan> valen i'm just checking
[22:40:32] <humble_sea_bass> anyways. use your fucking school shop
[22:40:37] <shaun413> Yeah.
[22:40:39] <zeeshan> he cant use his schools shop to make money
[22:40:41] <shaun413> Im thinking thats better
[22:40:42] <Valen> shaun413: if lathing is something you would like to do I suggest using the shop you have access to
[22:40:44] <zeeshan> thats pretty illegal :P
[22:40:54] <Valen> zeeshan: if he gets caught ;-P
[22:40:55] <shaun413> zeeshan, I cant make money until i know how to use stuff..
[22:40:56] <zeeshan> haha
[22:41:01] <humble_sea_bass> i used to do welding and carpentry jobs out of the engineering shops at night
[22:41:07] <zeeshan> your machine shop is an awesome resource
[22:41:13] <Valen> making 10 of something when nobody else is there is not going to cause an issue
[22:41:18] <zeeshan> i learned a lot from there this year
[22:41:19] <shaun413> that pic isnt even the engineering shop
[22:41:23] <shaun413> you should see that one
[22:41:34] <zeeshan> we have a shop only for mech engineers
[22:41:36] <Valen> and these days nobody else is going to use it
[22:41:39] <zeeshan> 3rd , 4th and grad students
[22:41:47] <Valen> zeeshan: and do any of them have a clue?
[22:41:48] <zeeshan> they know pretty easily if you're doing school related stuff
[22:41:53] <humble_sea_bass> shawun. you know you are allowed to go to the physics and the agrilculture machine shops
[22:41:54] <shaun413> theres a physics shop, bio shiop, and engineering one
[22:41:55] <shaun413> :p
[22:42:03] <humble_sea_bass> your ID doesn't say "engineering"
[22:42:04] <zeeshan> valen the students?
[22:42:04] <shaun413> sorry, not bio
[22:42:06] <shaun413> agri
[22:42:15] <Valen> moste MEs wouldn't know how to run a bead of weld if you hit them with molten metal
[22:42:19] <Valen> yeah
[22:42:21] <shaun413> actually it does humble_sea_bass ....
[22:42:26] <zeeshan> 1 out of 25 i'd say has an idea of how to use the machine
[22:42:27] <Valen> 4th year ME hasn't held a welder
[22:42:30] <zeeshan> thats based on my class size of 95.
[22:42:34] <shaun413> but the SOE shop is on busch
[22:42:35] <Valen> it should be a requirement
[22:42:37] <zeeshan> so basically i'd say a handfull of people know
[22:42:41] <shaun413> its where i always am anyway...
[22:42:44] <Valen> not to be awesome at it
[22:42:52] <Valen> but to at least be able to do something
[22:43:02] <zeeshan> Valen: that is my issue which gets my heated up
[22:43:10] <shaun413> idk why machine shop class isnt required for meche
[22:43:10] <zeeshan> you have 'mechanical engineers' who don't understand the basic math
[22:43:20] <shaun413> these guys graduate not knowing how things are made
[22:43:23] <zeeshan> they know the word for word definitions
[22:43:26] <zeeshan> but they don't understand the implications
[22:43:33] <shaun413> and then are hired to design stuff to be made on the machines...
[22:43:35] <zeeshan> and on top of that, they don't understand the tools being used to make things
[22:43:44] <shaun413> ^^^^^^
[22:43:45] <zeeshan> and yet they design stuff
[22:43:46] <zeeshan> it's scary.
[22:43:47] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: those are terribads
[22:43:56] <shaun413> best engineers are those who know the machines
[22:43:58] <zeeshan> and then i have to hear from people on the floor
[22:44:05] <zeeshan> 'you engineers don't know shit'
[22:44:09] <zeeshan> and it makes me quite upset
[22:44:26] <Valen> shaun413: so go make use of the machine shop
[22:44:32] <Valen> talk to the guy running it
[22:44:34] <shaun413> I have to get trained
[22:44:39] <Valen> so do that
[22:44:42] <shaun413> I cant find a site for the SOE one...
[22:44:50] <Valen> as i recall it takes like 2 hours?
[22:44:56] <shaun413> 3
[22:44:58] <zeeshan> training is really easy
[22:45:00] <humble_sea_bass> you have to attenuate your autism somehow
[22:45:03] <zeeshan> its basically how not to kill yoruself
[22:45:04] <shaun413> but have to wait for a date
[22:45:10] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, I dont have ASD
[22:45:12] <shaun413> please stop
[22:45:14] <Valen> so do that then
[22:45:15] <zeeshan> lol
[22:45:22] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: high five
[22:45:25] <zeeshan> trolled the troll
[22:45:41] <humble_sea_bass> btw. it is SAE not SOE
[22:45:52] <shaun413> wtf is SAE?
[22:45:57] <shaun413> school of engineering
[22:45:59] <shaun413> SOE
[22:46:02] <zeeshan> suckers and engineers
[22:46:11] <humble_sea_bass> Sony Online Entertainment
[22:46:22] <humble_sea_bass> vs Society of Automotive ENgineers
[22:46:36] <zeeshan> shaun413: i hope you know i only pick on you because you're ignorant
[22:46:37] <shaun413> im not talking about rfr
[22:46:42] <shaun413> but ill join that to
[22:46:44] <shaun413> too
[22:46:56] <Valen> zeeshan: you knew everything at all times?
[22:47:02] <shaun413> ^
[22:47:05] <zeeshan> valen i never claimed i did
[22:47:13] <humble_sea_bass> they will take you to michigan and ditch you by the side of the road
[22:47:17] <Valen> so why pick on people who know less than you did?
[22:47:17] <zeeshan> but i never in my life have asked a question where i didn't at least do some background research
[22:47:38] <zeeshan> this guy keeps bringng up the same question
[22:47:41] <zeeshan> for the last 4 weeks
[22:47:50] <zeeshan> which is something i wouldn't do
[22:47:57] <zeeshan> especially when a shit load of people have answered it
[22:47:58] * Valen is sure zeeshan researched reiliegh scattering before asking his mother why the sky is blue ;-P
[22:48:04] <humble_sea_bass> I know to not waste peoples time by asking basic questions without purpose or research
[22:48:22] <humble_sea_bass> Valen: this cat has been here 3 weeks solid tormenting us
[22:48:23] <Valen> eh fair enough
[22:48:31] <Valen> I guess I have been busy latley
[22:48:32] <zeeshan> i have a lot to learn
[22:48:41] <zeeshan> and i wouldn't be in here if i knew it all :D
[22:48:44] <shaun413> zeeshan, I thought you had respect
[22:48:59] <humble_sea_bass> nobody likes you shaun413
[22:49:10] <shaun413> :)
[22:49:22] <humble_sea_bass> yep. autism smile
[22:49:47] <zeeshan> shaun413: try to get some used tools from your school
[22:49:55] <zeeshan> my school is an amazing resource for used metal
[22:50:01] <zeeshan> that they literally throw away.
[22:50:02] <shaun413> iLL TRY
[22:50:11] <shaun413> I cant even find the website...
[22:50:14] <zeeshan> i found a 1/2" plate with a couple of holes in it (12x12")
[22:50:14] <zeeshan> 6061
[22:50:17] <zeeshan> they let me take it
[22:50:19] * Valen used to go for walks through the local tafe and pick stuff out of their bins ;->
[22:50:24] <zeeshan> tafe
[22:50:27] <shaun413> yes, gen all purpose alum
[22:50:27] <zeeshan> wassat
[22:50:29] <shaun413> 2024 is harder
[22:51:11] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: my dinner table and booth benches were made from a 16x5 foot lab table made out of 2" butches block
[22:51:24] <humble_sea_bass> "oh can i have that table top?"
[22:51:57] <zeeshan> man i love that type of table top
[22:52:09] <zeeshan> just to be on the same page
[22:52:12] <zeeshan> youre talking about this:
[22:52:21] <zeeshan> http://www.stockportkitchensandbedrooms.co.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/butchers-block2.bmp
[22:52:26] <zeeshan> my god its a bmp file
[22:52:28] <zeeshan> i havent seen that in a while
[22:52:34] <humble_sea_bass> yup
[22:52:39] <zeeshan> yea thats a nice top
[22:52:53] <humble_sea_bass> old as shit, it was actually shellaced
[22:52:57] <zeeshan> i want something liket hat in the basement 'clean shop'
[22:53:33] <zeeshan> is it called a butchers block commonly?
[22:53:35] <zeeshan> any other names?
[22:53:38] <zeeshan> first time im hearing it :p
[22:53:51] <shaun413> Ok
[22:53:58] <shaun413> so ill use the machine shop
[22:54:03] <shaun413> will have to wait until next year
[22:54:10] <zeeshan> shaun413: if you wanna feel better
[22:54:14] <shaun413> ?
[22:54:16] <zeeshan> that HF stuff goes on sale fairly frequently.
[22:54:22] <zeeshan> so it's not like you missed the opportunity of your life time
[22:54:23] <shaun413> yes
[22:54:30] <humble_sea_bass> around xmas it goes down to 50%
[22:54:32] <shaun413> 4th of july will have another coupn
[22:54:37] <shaun413> then another on labor day
[22:54:48] <Valen> i wouldn't get that anyway
[22:55:04] <Valen> you have time so cruise ebay or craigslist or whatever
[22:55:06] <shaun413> maybe I should ask if anyone has jobs...
[22:55:09] <shaun413> at the shop
[22:55:26] <zeeshan> show that youre poor
[22:55:28] <Valen> you will probably get something for the price of you carting it off when some old guy with lots of good stuff kicks it
[22:55:30] <zeeshan> and you will get jobs
[22:55:35] <zeeshan> im technically poor
[22:55:35] <zeeshan> haha
[22:55:39] <zeeshan> i got so many scholarships
[22:55:42] <shaun413> can I just email the guy and ask?
[22:55:45] <Valen> offer to sweep up in return for time or training
[22:55:52] <Valen> I wouldnt
[22:56:08] <shaun413> hm
[22:56:09] <Valen> generally these kind of things are best done face to face
[22:56:17] <humble_sea_bass> face to face is key
[22:56:22] <zeeshan> like
[22:56:23] <zeeshan> IN H
[22:56:27] <zeeshan> you know vin diesel?
[22:56:29] <zeeshan> fast and the furious?
[22:56:34] <zeeshan> first one.
[22:56:53] <humble_sea_bass> your shop guy is like 80 years old, he doesnt email for shit
[22:56:56] <zeeshan> remember the fight scene? "paul walker, man he was getting in my face" , "vin diesel: NOW IM IN YOUR FACE"
[22:58:04] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, how do you know?
[22:58:15] <Valen> its almost certain lol
[22:58:17] <shaun413> and what shop are you talking about
[22:58:50] <Valen> guy will be 50+, in either coveralls or a flanell shirt, being a uni he will probably have a grey beard
[22:58:51] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: i used to bang this broad at your school and I hung out with the SAE ppl
[22:58:57] <shaun413> oh
[22:59:01] <shaun413> i see
[22:59:06] <shaun413> I should try that
[22:59:14] <shaun413> where did the sae people use machines?
[23:00:03] <humble_sea_bass> whereever they could get time to use them
[23:00:11] <humble_sea_bass> the mfg lab, the machine shop
[23:00:50] <shaun413> the engineering one?
[23:00:53] <shaun413> in the D wing?
[23:00:55] <humble_sea_bass> those old ass bridgeports are a dream to learn on, good enough for the navy during WWII, good nuff for you
[23:02:33] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, ?
[23:03:11] <humble_sea_bass> most of the old bridgeports were donated by the navy after WWII
[23:03:29] <humble_sea_bass> City College is also full of them across the rive
[23:09:08] <shaun413> ok
[23:09:13] <shaun413> thats what ill do then
[23:09:19] <shaun413> bes decision I think...
[23:09:40] <shaun413> who knows, maybe there will be a nice girl in the machine shop...
[23:11:12] <Valen> HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
[23:11:23] <Valen> you guys didn't say this guy was also funny!
[23:11:30] <Valen> ;-P
[23:12:19] <shaun413> funny?
[23:12:22] <shaun413> :p
[23:12:27] <Valen> not to hate on any female machinists or ME's out there, but its not something I would be expecting to meet in a machine shop
[23:12:36] <shaun413> No girls in machine shop?
[23:12:49] <shaun413> well maybe if i get out of the basement, and go to the shop
[23:12:53] <shaun413> ill meet someone
[23:13:14] <shaun413> I know tons of female ME btw..
[23:13:16] <shaun413> not that rare
[23:20:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: jthornton http://centercutcook.com/loaded-baked-potato-casserole/
[23:30:16] <zeeshan> man
[23:30:22] <zeeshan> im 3/4 way organized
[23:30:29] <zeeshan> trying to inventory stuff what a pain in the butt
[23:30:40] <zeeshan> i need to sell some stuff!
[23:31:21] <shaun413> Hi
[23:31:36] <zeeshan> hi
[23:35:10] <shaun413> So I've made a good decision
[23:35:39] <zeeshan> whats your decision
[23:36:02] <shaun413> To use the schools stuff
[23:36:05] <shaun413> Next year
[23:36:30] <zeeshan> i think thats a wise decision
[23:36:36] <shaun413> Good
[23:36:36] <zeeshan> you'll learn a lot and can make a better decision
[23:36:40] <zeeshan> apply for some scholarships too
[23:36:41] <zeeshan> do well.
[23:36:44] <zeeshan> and make $ like i did
[23:36:45] <zeeshan> haha
[23:36:53] <zeeshan> i got 2 scholarships valued at 15 k each
[23:36:53] <shaun413> Make $?
[23:37:01] <zeeshan> yea, getting scholarships is like making money
[23:37:14] <shaun413> I'm not smart enough for them
[23:37:14] <zeeshan> you write a detailed application =D
[23:37:25] <zeeshan> you need like an A- avg
[23:37:26] <zeeshan> you can do it!
[23:37:37] <zeeshan> focus focus focus
[23:37:41] <shaun413> I have like a 3.2
[23:37:49] <shaun413> :/
[23:37:56] <zeeshan> whats that in grade scale
[23:37:59] <shaun413> Idk
[23:38:02] <shaun413> B
[23:38:24] <shaun413> Between b and b+
[23:38:26] <zeeshan> http://studentsuccess.mcmaster.ca/students/tools/gpa-conversion-chart.html
[23:38:36] <zeeshan> betwen a b and b+
[23:38:42] <zeeshan> thats not bad
[23:39:03] <zeeshan> i graduated with 3.8 in undergrad
[23:39:13] <shaun413> Cool
[23:39:19] <shaun413> Nearly impossible
[23:39:21] <zeeshan> i'm dumb, but i blame the passion for engineering for the good grades
[23:39:23] <shaun413> What major?
[23:39:25] <zeeshan> mech eng
[23:39:29] <shaun413> ...
[23:39:32] <shaun413> See
[23:39:35] <shaun413> I'm dumb
[23:39:46] <zeeshan> honestly when they were teaching calculus
[23:39:51] <zeeshan> i was trying to apply it practically
[23:39:59] <XXCoder> heh 3.8 on IT, 3.6 on CS bullshit degree
[23:40:00] <zeeshan> it made it much more enjoyable, infact i love math
[23:40:03] <shaun413> I hate calc
[23:40:09] <zeeshan> you can't hate it man.
[23:40:12] <zeeshan> you're in aero.
[23:40:13] <shaun413> Maybe its the way its taught
[23:40:18] <shaun413> I hate calc
[23:40:24] <zeeshan> you're going to use calculus in fluid mechanics, heat transfer
[23:40:26] <shaun413> I don't hate applied calc
[23:40:35] <shaun413> Just calc for the sake of calc
[23:40:47] <shaun413> Using it for things is awesome
[23:41:02] <XXCoder> Calc. I like it. I hate linear algbera, I cant visualize that worth shit
[23:41:17] <shaun413> But just doing a triple intergral with change of variables for the sake of it
[23:41:20] <shaun413> Is stupid
[23:41:26] <shaun413> Wtf will I use it for...
[23:41:29] <shaun413> I want to do that
[23:41:30] <zeeshan> well triple integrals give you volume
[23:41:33] <shaun413> Yes
[23:41:35] <zeeshan> thats one application of em
[23:41:39] <zeeshan> a very common one
[23:41:41] <shaun413> Well...
[23:41:46] <shaun413> I can use maple
[23:41:55] <shaun413> Why do I need to do this then?
[23:42:00] <zeeshan> if you're saying whats the point of solving it analytically
[23:42:04] <shaun413> No
[23:42:23] <XXCoder> well if you need to know volume of some sweep..
[23:42:25] <shaun413> Most stuff is done by PC now anyway
[23:42:25] <zeeshan> if you understand it from fundamentals
[23:42:35] <zeeshan> you can debug stuff when your PC is giving you wonky numbers.
[23:42:35] <shaun413> But you need to undersntad what its doing
[23:42:43] <shaun413> Yes
[23:42:50] <zeeshan> most stuff can't be solved analytically anyway
[23:42:55] <zeeshan> you'll have to use numerical techniques
[23:42:59] <XXCoder> zee exactly. if you understand addition, its no matter how complex you can do it
[23:43:07] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yea man
[23:43:20] <zeeshan> trust me, i came from technical college to university
[23:43:26] <zeeshan> only because i wanted a deeper understanding
[23:43:31] <zeeshan> i wouldnt have wasted 4 years of my life for nothing
[23:43:32] <XXCoder> nice
[23:43:50] <XXCoder> I wish I could say same, I feel i wasted my CS bullshit degree
[23:43:52] <zeeshan> fak im gonna be 31 by the time i'm done school :{
[23:44:00] <shaun413> True
[23:44:07] <XXCoder> heh zee I STARTED at 27. I finished at 34
[23:44:13] <shaun413> I just want to do problems with real life applications
[23:44:22] <shaun413> And have better professors
[23:44:25] <zeeshan> shaun413: i think you'll experience that in your aero classes.
[23:44:29] <zeeshan> but yea i agrew ith you
[23:44:30] <shaun413> Most of them suck
[23:44:33] <XXCoder> had few PHD profs as teacher 5 or 10 years younger than ,e
[23:44:36] <zeeshan> if a shit prof is teaching you calculus, you;ll hate it.
[23:44:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder: haha you shoulda hit on the chick phd profs
[23:44:44] <zeeshan> :D
[23:44:56] <shaun413> Well all my calc prof except calc 1 have been shit
[23:45:02] <shaun413> Then give hard exams
[23:45:14] <zeeshan> i don't mean to sound like i know it all
[23:45:21] <zeeshan> but honestly, if you understand it deeply enough
[23:45:24] <XXCoder> zee yeah I hated calculus III, teacher was shitty book teacher - follows book like bible, means cant understand worth crap out of it so cant teach us worth crap
[23:45:30] <zeeshan> its relatively easy to get an a- in math
[23:45:35] <zeeshan> unless its linear algebra.
[23:45:38] <zeeshan> and vector spaces
[23:45:38] <zeeshan> haha
[23:45:44] <shaun413> I don't put enough effort in
[23:45:47] <zeeshan> i got raped so hard it still makes me cry.
[23:45:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:45:55] <shaun413> I hate calc
[23:46:00] <XXCoder> there should be linear algbera conseling
[23:46:07] <shaun413> Makes me sick to put effort into it
[23:46:11] <zeeshan> dude, at our school one section's prof taught calc 3 on power point.
[23:46:20] <XXCoder> zeeshan: shit
[23:46:21] <zeeshan> so you can only imagine how rough that class was for those guys
[23:46:21] <zeeshan> haha
[23:46:36] <shaun413> Pretty much what my guy does
[23:46:41] <shaun413> And now he's like dying
[23:46:47] <zeeshan> you can't teach that shit on power point man
[23:46:47] <shaun413> So the ta is teaching
[23:46:50] <shaun413> ...
[23:46:51] <zeeshan> you gotta solve problems step by step.
[23:46:54] <zeeshan> theory then solve problem
[23:46:54] <XXCoder> calc I and II had fun teachers that really showed real world stuff as well as clearly show how it works
[23:46:56] <shaun413> Zeeshan
[23:46:56] <zeeshan> thats the only way to learn
[23:47:06] <zeeshan> XXCoder: nice
[23:47:10] <shaun413> 90% of my classes are powerpoint
[23:47:16] <zeeshan> my god
[23:47:18] <zeeshan> i feel bad for you
[23:47:19] <XXCoder> indeed. loved those teachers
[23:47:24] <shaun413> I hate it
[23:47:29] <shaun413> Lazy professors
[23:47:30] <XXCoder> powerpoint is fine for history and such
[23:47:47] <XXCoder> math? no. CS? only boring parts. math? HELL NO
[23:47:55] <shaun413> Try teaching a statics course on ppt
[23:48:02] <XXCoder> yes I covered math twice. make sure ya understand
[23:48:16] <shaun413> Needless to say I don't go ton that lecture anymore...
[23:48:29] <shaun413> Taught myself and got an 85 on both exams.
[23:48:36] <shaun413> Avg was a 50. Wonder why???
[23:48:42] <XXCoder> lol loved my stat teacher. he was old man that was always neatly clothed. said his wife dresses him everyday and he dont care about clothes
[23:48:56] <shaun413> Statics. Not stats
[23:49:05] <shaun413> Like trusses
[23:49:06] <XXCoder> shaun413: its called lazy typing
[23:49:10] <shaun413> Oh
[23:49:18] <zeeshan> shaun413: ouch.
[23:49:21] <zeeshan> statics on ppt?
[23:49:21] <zeeshan> haha
[23:49:26] <shaun413> Yeah
[23:49:27] <shaun413> Bs
[23:49:31] <zeeshan> almost all my mech eng course were pen and paper
[23:49:35] <zeeshan> pencil and paper :P
[23:49:39] <XXCoder> zeeshan: nah hes too old for powerpoint. he barely used it
[23:49:42] <shaun413> The lady would literally do this
[23:49:51] <shaun413> Put a problem up during lecture
[23:49:58] <shaun413> Tell us to take 15 min and solve it
[23:50:01] <zeeshan> see thats whats tough
[23:50:04] <XXCoder> only bare minium as he talked. just points. exactly what ppt is supposed to be
[23:50:04] <shaun413> ...
[23:50:05] <zeeshan> statics is a funamdental course
[23:50:15] <zeeshan> to understand higher level courses like machine elements ands tuff
[23:50:16] <shaun413> Statics is also very easy
[23:50:20] <shaun413> Its just triangles
[23:50:30] <zeeshan> it can get a bit complex sometimes to visualize
[23:50:33] <zeeshan> when you're doing 3d problems
[23:50:36] <XXCoder> just white and black text lol not even stylized. some teachers really style ppt hard like its worth shit
[23:50:37] <shaun413> Idk
[23:50:41] <shaun413> I get it easily
[23:50:48] <zeeshan> i just resolve into components
[23:50:49] <shaun413> Its very algorithmic
[23:50:53] <zeeshan> yep
[23:51:02] <zeeshan> to do strength of materials
[23:51:03] <shaun413> So that's easy
[23:51:10] <zeeshan> you gotta understand statics like its addition/subtraction
[23:51:24] <XXCoder> heh I remember just basics. forgot a lot
[23:51:26] <shaun413> Well we take a mechanics of materials course
[23:51:47] <shaun413> I guess that's the more adv stuff
[23:52:51] <zeeshan> thats where you learn stuff like
[23:53:04] <zeeshan> deflection of materials, failure of brittle vs ductile materials
[23:53:09] <zeeshan> bending moment diagrams, shear force diagrams etc
[23:53:19] <zeeshan> its such a good course, cause after that course, you can literally design your own cnc machine
[23:53:19] <zeeshan> :)
[23:53:20] <XXCoder> glad it wasnt part of cs lol
[23:53:25] <shaun413> Is it a horrible idea ton take adv calc , thermo and fluids in one semester?
[23:53:39] <zeeshan> i'd do adv calc before those 2 courses
[23:53:46] <zeeshan> thermo u can do together
[23:53:47] <shaun413> Why
[23:53:49] <zeeshan> its not calculus heavy.
[23:54:00] <zeeshan> but fluids uses stuff like navier stokes equations
[23:54:00] <XXCoder> you dont want homework coming out of your ears
[23:54:18] <zeeshan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equations
[23:54:20] <shaun413> That's more than diff eq?
[23:54:21] <zeeshan> scroll down to the equation
[23:54:30] <zeeshan> that has a green background.
[23:54:35] <XXCoder> and that yes. I didnt take differnal equation though, didnt need it in CS
[23:54:36] <zeeshan> under derivation and description
[23:54:36] <shaun413> Stokes is calc 3
[23:54:45] <zeeshan> thats stokes theorem
[23:54:47] <shaun413> We are learning that next week
[23:54:47] <zeeshan> not navier stokes equations
[23:54:49] <shaun413> Oh
[23:54:51] <XXCoder> differnal calculus
[23:54:57] <zeeshan> check that equation
[23:54:59] <zeeshan> if you understand it
[23:55:03] <zeeshan> then you'll be fine in fluids
[23:55:14] <zeeshan> but you havent done substatial derivative..
[23:55:20] <zeeshan> so i doubt you can understand it fully
[23:55:24] <XXCoder> lol nope from me
[23:55:39] <zeeshan> those upside down delta are just
[23:55:41] <zeeshan> 'gradient'
[23:55:55] <XXCoder> thats definitely from linear algbera
[23:55:59] <shaun413> I know what a gradient is
[23:56:01] <zeeshan> the vector <del/del x, del/del y, del/del z>
[23:56:10] <zeeshan> when you multiply that by the vector v
[23:56:16] <zeeshan> you're basically doing dot product
[23:56:18] <shaun413> Is substantial der a partial der
[23:56:22] <zeeshan> no
[23:56:22] <shaun413> ??
[23:56:24] <shaun413> Oh
[23:56:26] <zeeshan> its also called material derivative
[23:56:31] <zeeshan> substational derviative in real life is basically
[23:56:33] <shaun413> I know grad
[23:56:44] <shaun413> Oh....
[23:56:49] <zeeshan> gives you the local acceleration of the fluid + how the fluid motion accelerates the fluid
[23:56:52] <zeeshan> thats how i remember it..
[23:57:02] <zeeshan> i don't remember the mathematical definition :p
[23:57:04] <shaun413> The equation looked easy enough
[23:57:16] <zeeshan> then i think you'll be fine doing all 3 of those in 1 term
[23:57:27] <shaun413> Hm
[23:57:35] <XXCoder> heh fun chat, gonna sleep so I'm worth something at work tomorrow at 5:30 am lol
[23:57:39] <shaun413> Should be fun:p
[23:57:39] <zeeshan> cu XXCoder
[23:57:45] <shaun413> Bye
[23:57:46] <XXCoder> night
[23:57:51] <ktchk> linuxcnc 2.5.4 is out, the problem of using ibus input for chinese freeze linuxcnc is fixed.
[23:58:32] <shaun413> I should see if you can run a 3d printer off of linuxcnc
[23:58:34] <shaun413> :/
[23:59:32] <shaun413> Any who
[23:59:35] <shaun413> Bedtime
[23:59:54] <shaun413> Gn