#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-19

[00:07:10] <shaun413_> Hi
[00:58:44] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Temp-controller-A419-w-Idec-relays-timer-lamps-alarm-from-AC-panel-/121321746757?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3f56f145
[02:25:27] <Deejay> moin
[08:44:21] <cnclx> hi
[08:45:06] <cnclx> have Turk?
[08:57:54] <cnclx> I don't good work my linux cnc
[08:58:11] <cnclx> which setting to choice , sherline?
[08:58:27] <cnclx> my cnc is 5mm pitch universal cnc
[09:47:42] <PetefromTn_> Morning
[09:48:09] <XXCoder> morning
[09:49:29] <PetefromTn_> Nice to sleep in some this morning ;)
[09:49:46] <XXCoder> yeah, woke at 6:40 am. luxuriy of sleeping in
[09:50:03] <XXCoder> if it was workday I'd be late by whole hour and 10 min lol
[09:50:49] <_methods> ugh i woke up at 5am
[09:51:52] <PetefromTn_> me about 9:30
[09:51:55] <_methods> did manage to fall back to sleep for a little
[09:53:32] <PetefromTn_> If it were not for my Siberian Husky wanting to go out I would probably still be asleep LOL
[09:53:51] <_methods> yeah that's what got me up......crzy dog
[09:54:00] <_methods> better than cleaning up piss at 5am though
[09:54:01] <_methods> lol
[09:55:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah my dog has a way of shaking his collar which clanks like a freakin cowbell when he needs to go out and if I TRY to ignore it he starts yelping like a mad dog until I get my ass up and let him out.
[09:57:25] <_methods> ah mine whines like some pathetic shelter dog that hasn't been fed for 3 months
[09:58:08] <_methods> i was gonna go grab some tubing from work today and weld up a stand for my mini mill
[09:58:29] <_methods> but then i saw some genius on the internet bought one of those cheap ass harbor freight tool boxes and attached his to that
[09:58:42] <PetefromTn_> You don't need a stand for a mini mill just use a folding couch dinner table LOL
[09:58:45] <_methods> so now it looks like i'm going to harbor freight lol
[09:58:51] <_methods> haha right
[09:59:04] <_methods> i have some twigs in the bag yard i was eyeballing
[10:00:12] <PetefromTn_> just get a bag of pipe cleaners and twist one up hehe
[10:00:17] <_methods> hahah
[10:00:44] <PetefromTn_> Actually I have one of those larger Harbor Freight roll around tool boxes here and it is REALLY nice...
[10:00:58] <PetefromTn_> It is like General branded or something.
[10:01:11] <PetefromTn_> It is quite heavy duty even with a lot of weight in the drawers.
[10:01:24] <PetefromTn_> They still roll nice and smooth and don't twist and bend.
[10:01:27] <_methods> yeah
[10:01:38] <_methods> hard to beat for the price
[10:01:45] <_methods> especially if i'm just gonna use it for a mill stand
[10:02:01] <_methods> by time i get done cuttin all the tubing, welding, grinding shit
[10:02:06] <PetefromTn_> http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_23816.jpg
[10:02:10] <PetefromTn_> This is the one I have.
[10:02:18] <_methods> yeah i'll waste a whole day
[10:02:25] <_methods> and i can get one of those for nothing
[10:03:10] <_methods> got a 25% off coupon too
[10:03:24] <PetefromTn_> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=788&pictureid=6277 This is the upper for it. I would like to get it at some point.
[10:03:35] <PetefromTn_> They also sell side boxes and other stuff for it.
[10:04:21] <_methods> i got a kennedy so i could be cool
[10:04:29] <_methods> but in my garage i have harbor freight lol
[10:04:36] <PetefromTn_> When I bought it I got it used from a local guy and was not aware it was made by Harbor Freight.
[10:04:52] <PetefromTn_> I was actually quite surprised to find it was.
[10:05:01] <PetefromTn_> It is very heavy and well made.
[10:05:07] <_methods> wouldn't want to be seen in shop with harbor freight box lol
[10:05:25] <_methods> catty bitches would all be makin fun of me
[10:05:40] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST bought that big Black Husky Box they had on sale at Home Depot last year.
[10:05:52] <PetefromTn_> One of the guys at the shop has one and it broke the other day.
[10:06:10] <PetefromTn_> The drawer was not even full and the slide had bent enough to drop the drawer out.
[10:06:11] <_methods> http://www.harborfreight.com/26-in-4-drawer-580-lb-capacity-glossy-black-roller-cart-61634.html
[10:06:17] <_methods> i think that's what i'm gonna get for it
[10:06:39] <_methods> even got a backsplash lol
[10:06:42] <PetefromTn_> Personally I could give a rats ass what other people think of my tools or boxes. As long as they work they are good enough for me.
[10:06:58] <_methods> oh man it's a fuckin fashion show at the shops i work at
[10:07:08] <_methods> you better have starret and mitutoyo
[10:07:12] <_methods> and kennedy box
[10:07:20] <PetefromTn_> Kennedy are nice boxes but they have very small shallow drawers..
[10:07:37] <_methods> man my craftsman does the same thing.........
[10:07:42] <_methods> and it was way less
[10:07:53] <PetefromTn_> I could fit everything my work friend has in his Kennedy in the top drawer of this General toolbos.
[10:07:56] <PetefromTn_> toolbox.
[10:07:57] <_methods> and i'm sure this harbor freight box will also do the "same" thing
[10:08:49] <PetefromTn_> I have been asked by several customers where I got my roll around and several had thought it was a mac or something.
[10:09:14] <PetefromTn_> It is quite nice really despite the price and origin. I am proud to have it in my shop.
[10:09:33] <PetefromTn_> The top drawer holds every one of my MANY pneumatic hand tools.
[10:09:42] <PetefromTn_> quite easily actually.
[10:09:54] <_methods> awww gawt dayum
[10:10:03] <_methods> 25% coupon no good on tool boxes
[10:10:28] <_methods> guess that means i can go get it today lol
[10:10:35] <PetefromTn_> I think this bottom box with their upper matching box would be enough toolbox for about anyone...
[10:11:17] <PetefromTn_> If you got TONS of heavy tools you can always add the sideboxes they sell.
[10:11:45] <_methods> i got a couple drawers FULL of taps, end mills, reamers and drills
[10:11:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too...
[10:12:03] <_methods> the junk drawers lol
[10:12:13] <_methods> i need to organize them and get those drill dividers
[10:12:21] <_methods> pain in the dick findin tap drills
[10:12:38] <PetefromTn_> I actually have two boxes here for my tools. One is a vertical craftsman style with upper and lower and the other is the much larger General box.
[10:13:13] <_methods> hehe tool junkies
[10:13:18] <PetefromTn_> You could put everything I have in the vertical box setup in the single lower box and have lots of room left over.
[10:13:36] <_methods> well i think i'm off to harbor freight
[10:13:43] <PetefromTn_> Good luck man.
[10:13:49] <_methods> thank you sir
[10:13:55] <PetefromTn_> Make sure you get one with locking castors.
[10:14:07] <_methods> yeah it doesn't look like it has lockers
[10:14:13] <_methods> i may just pull the casters
[10:14:27] <_methods> put i really don't need it roll too much
[10:14:40] <_methods> and like you said a stiff breeze will pick that little chinese turd up
[10:14:45] <PetefromTn_> They sell some decent heavy duty castors there for cheap.
[10:14:54] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[10:15:03] <PetefromTn_> Just telling it like it is man...
[10:15:09] <_methods> hahah indeed
[10:15:13] <_methods> me too
[10:15:26] <_methods> it needs a lot of work
[10:15:31] <PetefromTn_> I could not believe how small it was when I first saw one.
[10:15:37] <_methods> but i think in the end it will do everything i need
[10:15:48] <_methods> i'm just using it for fun
[10:15:55] <_methods> i'm not actually tryin to do production on it
[10:16:04] <PetefromTn_> They are actually quite nice for hobby stuff..
[10:16:08] <_methods> yeah
[10:16:17] <PetefromTn_> Some guys go nutz with them.
[10:16:32] <_methods> i want to throw a 4th on it so i can play around with more 4 axis toolpath stuff
[10:16:42] <PetefromTn_> Sounds like fun.
[10:16:50] <_methods> yeah i rarely get to do it at work
[10:16:59] <_methods> i just had to do a 4th axis job the other day though
[10:17:01] <PetefromTn_> I need to find me a nice Commercail Fourth axis that needs work or something for cheap
[10:17:10] <_methods> auctions man
[10:17:15] <_methods> i see them go for nothing....
[10:17:17] <_methods> all the time
[10:17:22] <_methods> $500
[10:17:25] <_methods> hass rotabs
[10:17:26] <_methods> all day
[10:17:32] <_methods> haas even
[10:17:50] <_methods> bidspotter is your friend
[10:17:50] <PetefromTn_> Every time I went to an auction around here there were about a dozen rednecks with wads of cash in their pockets buying up everything in sight for what it costs new seemingly.
[10:18:02] <_methods> yeah you never know what's gonna get hit
[10:18:08] <_methods> i just went to one last week
[10:18:19] <_methods> 4 surface plated 6'x4'x6"
[10:18:22] <_methods> all went for $120
[10:18:35] <_methods> all the little stuff went for nothing
[10:18:45] <_methods> everyone was there fopr the same thing we were though
[10:18:48] <PetefromTn_> I would definitely be willing to put a couple hundred like that into a fourth from Haas or whoever even a 5c unit for the machine.
[10:18:52] <_methods> they had a big poreba 330" lathe
[10:19:05] <_methods> thing went for $75k
[10:19:28] <PetefromTn_> CNC?
[10:19:33] <_methods> they had a monster VTL that went for like $5k after that
[10:19:34] <_methods> nah manual
[10:19:52] <_methods> they did have a small cnc vertical that went for like $5k
[10:20:10] <PetefromTn_> Was watching the guy run those Okuma's yesterday at work. Some damn nice lathes man. Expensive as hell tho.
[10:20:16] <_methods> but check bidspotter they have online bidding
[10:20:22] <_methods> hell yeah
[10:20:27] <_methods> okuma is $$$$$$$
[10:20:41] <_methods> but with all the probes, auto offsets
[10:20:45] <PetefromTn_> You can hear it spinning up and down with the CSS working all day long.
[10:20:51] <_methods> it's worth it if you have a bunch of button monkeys
[10:20:54] <PetefromTn_> Makes some beautiful parts.
[10:21:15] <_methods> put a pile of metal in front of them and tell them to keep hittin that big green button
[10:21:32] <PetefromTn_> There is a couple Okuma Howas at the metal supplier I use in knoxville. Nice small footprint machines with decent size.
[10:21:44] <_methods> those are good machines
[10:21:50] <PetefromTn_> Also make some good parts.
[10:21:53] <_methods> we had one that was 25 years old still rockin it
[10:22:01] <PetefromTn_> Would love to get my hands on a used one of those in decent shape for a song.
[10:22:03] <_methods> take a cut like a beast too
[10:22:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh the shop has one Okuma there that is an 89 believe it or not and it STILL holds tenths...
[10:22:38] <_methods> we were usin it to turn down bearing journals on 3" dia feed rollers
[10:22:45] <PetefromTn_> Not quite as tight as the newer ones so they use it for less critical stuff.
[10:22:47] <_methods> yeah
[10:22:52] <_methods> they're slower
[10:23:03] <_methods> they don't change tools like these new dogs
[10:23:05] <_methods> but hey
[10:23:13] <_methods> they do it all day
[10:23:25] <PetefromTn_> All damn day long man. Printing money LOL...
[10:23:38] <PetefromTn_> I SO need one like that here..
[10:23:44] <_methods> that's what the guys makin inserts say..... :(
[10:23:55] <PetefromTn_> My 12x36 manual AINT cutting it LOL...
[10:24:27] <_methods> man i saw a nice little ikegai gang tool lathe go at an auction a few months ago for $1k
[10:24:35] <_methods> full blown cnc
[10:24:38] <_methods> running
[10:24:39] <PetefromTn_> Oh I like those Ikegai machines.
[10:24:39] <_methods> under power
[10:24:49] <_methods> my boss was gonna buy it for me
[10:24:52] <PetefromTn_> they are not terribly huge either.
[10:24:53] <_methods> and i was like no damnit
[10:25:00] <_methods> i don't know where the hell i'll put it
[10:25:05] <_methods> my wife will cut my nuts off
[10:25:12] <PetefromTn_> I had to laugh at the guy at the shop who runs most of the lathes.
[10:25:14] <_methods> killed me lettin that go
[10:25:34] <PetefromTn_> I asked him how he liked the Big Okumas they have there.
[10:25:44] <PetefromTn_> He was like yeah they are sweet and the control is easy to use.
[10:25:49] <_methods> yeah
[10:26:06] <PetefromTn_> Then he pointed at the brand new Haas turning center and said that thing is nice but it's a pussy....
[10:26:12] <_methods> yep
[10:26:20] <PetefromTn_> He said it had no balls.
[10:26:27] <_methods> man i don't know why anyone buys those things
[10:26:33] <_methods> you can get a doosan for the same price
[10:26:38] <_methods> and it's 1000x better
[10:26:58] <PetefromTn_> He uses a LOT of larger diameter insert drills and he said the Haas has stalled several times on him with even the smaller ones.
[10:27:23] <_methods> yeah the only good thing about a haas is they break so much
[10:27:25] <PetefromTn_> He said the Okuma will weld the metal before it stalls LOL.
[10:27:29] <_methods> the service guys are fuckin awesome
[10:27:50] <_methods> they come to fix a machine and they have every part to rebuild a whole haas
[10:28:02] <_methods> cause they have to lol
[10:28:06] <PetefromTn_> Thats true they have great support around here too..
[10:28:21] <PetefromTn_> I cannot afford either one.
[10:28:21] <_methods> dude no one can service a machine like haas
[10:28:29] <_methods> i've never seen anything like it
[10:28:33] <PetefromTn_> I will have to settle for a nice used one I can get for a song.
[10:28:38] <_methods> they break so much their guys are super pros
[10:28:54] <PetefromTn_> Their mills are pretty nice tho I think.
[10:29:04] <_methods> they're ok
[10:29:10] <PetefromTn_> I will say their coolant enclosures are made of tinfoil.
[10:29:11] <_methods> just like your buddy on the lathe said
[10:29:16] <_methods> don't try and take a real cut
[10:29:30] <_methods> we can barely run high feed cutters on them
[10:29:39] <_methods> i stalled the spindle on one the other day
[10:29:41] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man we push them kinda hard over there makes me nervous a lot of the time.
[10:29:57] <_methods> haha if my spindle meter isn't on 80-100 something is wrong
[10:30:01] <PetefromTn_> But I am not terribly experienced with this stuff yet.
[10:30:27] <PetefromTn_> Yeah that is what they try to do over there.. load meter is swinging all the time. ;)
[10:30:28] <_methods> i used to get yelled at in my last shop
[10:30:40] <_methods> if the owner walked buy and the spindle wasn't loaded
[10:30:48] <_methods> or big gap between chips
[10:30:53] <_methods> wtf
[10:30:58] <_methods> reprogram that shit
[10:31:05] <_methods> you're wasting money
[10:31:16] <PetefromTn_> It's true unfortunately...
[10:31:28] <_methods> used to piss me off like a mofo
[10:31:32] <PetefromTn_> If you are not making chips and parts real fast money is flying out the window.
[10:31:38] <_methods> i'd put a nice leadin to keep it safe
[10:31:41] <_methods> and i get yelled at
[10:31:56] <PetefromTn_> Oh I ALWAYS put a nice leadin on everything just to keep my sanity.
[10:31:57] <_methods> oh i know
[10:32:08] <_methods> yeah man i would get skull fucked for a big leadin
[10:32:12] <_methods> takin too long
[10:32:25] <PetefromTn_> I USUALLY run the parts at 50 percent rapid too for the first couple parts just in case something goes wrong.
[10:32:25] <_methods> why you got 1/8" leadin
[10:32:26] <_methods> wtf
[10:32:52] <_methods> because i don't know how the saw is gonna cut.......
[10:33:04] <_methods> is there gonna be .06" hangin off
[10:33:07] <PetefromTn_> The virgin run I run it at 5percent and they are like WTF that is way too slow man. whassammatta your reflexes sux?
[10:33:10] <_methods> is it a parallelogram
[10:33:20] <_methods> yeah fuck that
[10:33:23] <_methods> i run it slow too
[10:33:44] <_methods> rapid override baby
[10:33:52] <_methods> and one hand on the feed override dial
[10:33:58] <PetefromTn_> Their view is that breaking tools or scrapping parts is kinda gonna happen just do your best but do it QUICKLY.
[10:34:13] <_methods> yeah i'm glad i'm in a job shop now
[10:34:17] <PetefromTn_> It is a whole new world compared to how I run my own machine.
[10:34:24] <PetefromTn_> This IS a job shop.
[10:34:28] <_methods> i odn't have to put up with that shit
[10:34:50] <_methods> alright damnit time to go for real lol
[10:34:52] <_methods> later
[10:34:55] <PetefromTn_> I have NEVER seen anyone cut air above the part to check a toolpath. They just run it and see...
[10:35:19] <PetefromTn_> Cya.
[10:35:23] <_methods> yeah i don't air cut
[10:35:29] <_methods> but yeah later lol
[10:35:36] <PetefromTn_> later man
[10:36:09] <PetefromTn_> I need to get my ass out in the shop here now enough breakfast sitting around LOL.
[11:15:17] <CaptHindsight_> which of the woodworker electric routers have the highest speed? I just need a cheap spindle to last few minutes/hours in a mixer
[11:44:32] <GuShH_> CaptHindsight: they are all pretty standard and the same
[11:44:47] <GuShH_> professional grade half inch may be found in faster speeds, at a cost
[11:44:58] <CaptHindsight_> yeah can't seem to find anything near 100k rpm :)
[11:45:04] <GuShH_> remember the cutters are designed for a specific maximum speed in mind anyway
[11:45:15] <GuShH_> no way you won't find such speeds standard
[11:45:39] <GuShH_> what are you trying to do that requires such speed? can't you lower your feed rates?
[11:45:47] <CaptHindsight_> have to see about running them at 2-3 the voltage or upping the frequency until they fly apart
[11:45:56] <GuShH_> heh sounds dangerous
[11:46:18] <CaptHindsight_> not cutting, emulsifying, so cutting liquids
[11:46:23] <GuShH_> I guess the bearings will overheat, since they are not forced lubricated, just sealed with a bit of grease... once they expand they'll grind themselves to nothingness
[11:46:54] <GuShH_> the motors are not water cooled either....
[11:46:55] <CaptHindsight_> probably by 40-50k
[11:47:12] <GuShH_> the little fan is only meant to keep it chilled for the given duty cycle and the given frequency :p
[11:47:23] <CaptHindsight_> cooling is easy
[11:47:36] <GuShH_> and the small 1/4" standard routers have a low duty cycle
[11:48:00] <GuShH_> the external plastics are part of the motor assembly
[11:48:04] <GuShH_> on the cheapest ones
[11:49:48] <CaptHindsight_> looks like Bosch, porter-cable and few others have easily swapped motors
[11:51:44] <CaptHindsight_> ah the cheap HF routers go to 28K rpm
[11:56:33] <pcw_home> what about ultrasonic emulification?
[11:56:44] <CaptHindsight_> using both
[11:57:10] <CaptHindsight_> knock it down fist with high shear then sonification
[11:57:29] <CaptHindsight_> fist/first
[11:58:44] <CaptHindsight_> making high tech nano mayonnaise of sorts
[11:59:46] <pcw_home> how much torque? maybe a a PCB drill motor (Westwind)
[12:00:05] <CaptHindsight_> real low, few oz of water
[12:00:29] <CaptHindsight_> probably more resistance from the bearings at high speeds
[12:01:04] <CaptHindsight_> this is just a proof of concept, then I spend the $10-20K on the real parts
[12:01:44] <humble_sea_bass> a newer better mayo
[12:02:18] <pcw_home> gear up a router 3X or so
[12:02:44] <GuShh_Lap2> gears at 100krpm, homemade?
[12:02:45] <CaptHindsight_> I'll see what it does at 28k
[12:03:02] <CaptHindsight_> sure why not
[12:03:08] <pcw_home> belt (like a old time dentist drill)
[12:03:17] <GuShh_Lap2> ok belt and pulley like a toolpost grinder
[12:03:25] <pcw_home> yep
[12:04:05] <CaptHindsight_> trying to use low cost high shear vs expensive high pressure 40k psi
[12:04:29] <GuShh_Lap2> this is for... mayo?
[12:05:23] <CaptHindsight_> mayo is an emulsion
[12:05:28] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Westwind-1194-2-14-Air-Bearing-Spindle-Rebuilt-/171297763444?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item27e2247074
[12:05:33] <GuShh_Lap2> yes.
[12:05:46] <GuShh_Lap2> who spends 20k on mayo is the better question
[12:05:54] <GuShh_Lap2> not a black person I tell you that much, badam-tish
[12:06:14] <moorbo> ;?
[12:06:35] <GuShh_Lap2> moorbo: the stereotype dictates mayo is a no, hot sauce is a yes
[12:06:56] <moorbo> with kfc and watermelons?
[12:07:06] <GuShh_Lap2> look for a low friction alternative, beef up a magnetic stirrer
[12:07:32] <GuShh_Lap2> moorbo: now that's just racist!
[12:07:36] <GuShh_Lap2> we all like watermelons and chicken.
[12:07:51] <moorbo> i'm anti whites anyways
[12:07:57] <moorbo> and antimales
[12:07:59] <CaptHindsight_> I know how to build a real emulsifier, the exercise in what can be done under $50 by 4pm today
[12:08:15] <CaptHindsight_> in/is
[12:08:38] <GuShh_Lap2> CaptHindsight: strap it to the turbo of your car, rev up. done
[12:09:16] <pcw_home> dentists air drill
[12:09:22] <GuShh_Lap2> for 50?
[12:09:27] <CaptHindsight_> except for that pesky engine getting in the way
[12:09:36] <GuShh_Lap2> heh
[12:10:35] <GuShh_Lap2> go balls out, get a cheap pneumatic grinder, instead of air use CO2 from a bottle, watch as parts fly off
[12:10:56] <CaptHindsight_> http://static.flickr.com/24/50528339_45f6a4c51a_o.jpg suped up version of this
[12:12:03] <GuShh_Lap2> CaptHindsight: are you pretending to be into molecular gastronomy or are you trying to impress a lady?
[12:12:39] <CaptHindsight_> not food related
[12:12:59] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dental-High-Speed-LED-Handpiece-Large-Torque-Ceramic-Bearing-180286-hp09R6-NEW-/111235740764?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
[12:13:01] <pcw_home> they claim 450,000 RPM
[12:13:15] <CaptHindsight_> GuShh_Lap2: where did you used to troll before coming in here?
[12:13:29] <GuShh_Lap2> where did you use to steal ideas from before you came here?
[12:13:34] <humble_sea_bass> making mayo is fun, and if you call it aioli ppl think you're fancy
[12:13:37] <GuShh_Lap2> your question is not CNC related.
[12:13:48] <GuShh_Lap2> you are just a weasel on a mission
[12:14:16] <CaptHindsight_> so you are new here
[12:14:45] <CaptHindsight_> is school out already?
[12:14:58] <moorbo> its the weekend
[12:15:02] <moorbo> kids abound.
[12:15:11] <GuShh_Lap2> CaptHindsight: Time for your pills.
[12:15:17] <CaptHindsight_> seems like late spring when there's the usual peak until they find something else to do
[12:15:18] <GuShh_Lap2> Don't get them mixed up this time.
[12:15:39] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dental-High-Speed-Handpiece-Large-Torque-Push-Button-3-Spray-4-H-Ceramic-Bearing/191019663541?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
[12:15:44] <pcw_home> cheaper
[12:16:00] <GuShh_Lap2> You are acknowledging the fact that you will go first and I'll get to buy your shit for pennies.
[12:16:12] <GuShh_Lap2> Very nice.
[12:17:47] <GuShh_Lap2> Face a middle aged man with his mortality and he shall go away, write his will and warm up his testicles by the fireplace.
[12:19:30] <CaptHindsight_> low self esteem, fragile ego, narcissistic, defensive, yet arrogant
[12:21:25] <CaptHindsight_> do those dental drills have some standard chuck?
[12:23:04] <moorbo> I imagine they would
[12:25:51] <humble_sea_bass> i think it is mechanism akin to one of those mechanical lead holders
[12:26:22] <humble_sea_bass> pushing a button on the back of the handpiecelets you pull out the bit
[12:30:28] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/04/17/the_citicorp_tower_design_flaw_that_could_have_wiped_out_the_skyscraper.html
[12:32:35] <humble_sea_bass> roofles.
[12:33:00] <CaptHindsight_> the Sears/Willis Tower built in the same era here had the curtain wall slowly coming apart from poor assembly
[12:33:51] <CaptHindsight_> they quietly replaced every bolt over 1-2 years at night when nobody was in their offices
[12:38:56] <humble_sea_bass> the crazy part is that municipal workers don't have the experience and knowhow to review these things
[12:39:44] <humble_sea_bass> they assume that the engineer has it covered, but the thing is that the engineer stops being involved inspection wise during construction because of how rushed things are
[12:40:48] <CaptHindsight_> in Chicago they way to get your plans approved is either to use previously approved plans (why so many building here are the same) or..
[12:41:07] <CaptHindsight_> get a well know firm to stamp your plans
[12:41:47] <CaptHindsight_> they don't even know how to check something that requires engineering skills
[12:42:14] <humble_sea_bass> most plans are copy pasta
[12:42:16] <CaptHindsight_> they just look for the typical sizes of structural members vs span and similar
[12:44:08] <humble_sea_bass> sometimes I get comments back from the examiner regarding hydraulically calculated fire protection systems
[12:44:49] <humble_sea_bass> because a graph doesn't "look right" i.e. I changed the logarithmic scale
[12:45:09] <humble_sea_bass> bvecause fuck reading out the values and thinking about it
[12:45:19] <CaptHindsight_> yeah it looks different
[13:06:30] <PetefromTn_> Happiness is Blow dart gun practice in the shop with your kids :D
[13:17:33] <Jymmm> Like wth is this shit? http://images.craigslist.org/01515_3T1pfZaPwrJ_600x450.jpg
[13:17:41] <Jymmm> ICC ??
[13:17:47] <Jymmm> T3200???
[13:17:50] <Jymmm> LINDE???
[13:18:13] <_methods> linde gas
[13:18:20] <Jymmm> ah
[13:18:28] <zeeshan> im pretty sure thats the 'left' side
[13:18:28] <moorbo> zeeshan: arn't those tanks generally baked?
[13:18:31] <zeeshan> of the pic you were looking
[13:18:38] <zeeshan> moorbo: what do you mean baked
[13:18:52] <moorbo> stress releaved
[13:18:55] <Jymmm> Oh, so T32... is the SN ?
[13:18:57] <moorbo> spelt correctly.
[13:20:37] <zeeshan> those big welding tanks are made from one thick ass blank
[13:20:43] <zeeshan> and they are stress relieved yea but still
[13:20:45] <moorbo> I know
[13:20:48] <moorbo> press formed
[13:21:00] <zeeshan> any marks on the surface = stress concentrations
[13:21:04] <moorbo> same as seamless pipe
[13:21:05] <Jymmm> I want to seee the press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:21:19] <moorbo> zeeshan: yeah, its why we (at my old job anyways) stopped stamping welds
[13:22:06] <zeeshan> moorbo: it was funny
[13:22:16] <zeeshan> i was doing this case study in 2nd year about a cast steel part
[13:22:23] <zeeshan> for a rail car
[13:22:30] <zeeshan> kinda where the wheels attach
[13:22:36] <zeeshan> it had cracked, and they were wondering why
[13:22:39] <moorbo> but I guess the stamps arn't enough
[13:22:51] <moorbo> to case stress that could be an issue
[13:23:15] <moorbo> cause*
[13:24:38] <moorbo> Jymmm: I beleieve the t320097 number is a trace number
[13:24:40] <moorbo> for materail type
[13:24:48] <moorbo> the icc I beleive is the serial
[13:25:38] <Jymmm> ICC (3AA material type)(2400 working pressure)
[13:25:49] <moorbo> then the other way around
[13:25:50] <moorbo> hehehe
[13:26:24] <_methods> making a portable "compressor"
[13:26:39] <Jymmm> Well, hell, the guy replies back with "I'll be around all day never some HS", but no name, number, or address. WTF
[13:27:15] <moorbo> Jymmm: you want to buy that bottle or something?
[13:27:39] <Jymmm> Honestly, I don't WANT 100lb tank, I'd just want a 2nd 40lb one.
[13:27:51] <Jymmm> moorbo: YEah, off craigslist
[13:27:59] <moorbo> ah
[13:28:00] <moorbo> heh
[13:28:02] <moorbo> sketchy ;p
[13:28:06] <Jymmm> why?
[13:28:18] <Jymmm> I just do tank exchange anyway
[13:28:27] <moorbo> I suppose eh
[13:28:28] <Jymmm> but it's gotta be within date
[13:28:45] <Jymmm> or they'll charge me to hydro it
[13:28:47] <moorbo> I guess I'd just feel uncomfortable buying pressure things second hand
[13:29:34] <_methods> local fire station if you get in good with them.....
[13:29:51] <_methods> i got homies in the fire station that hook me up with free hydro
[13:30:06] <Jymmm> Eh, no need with tank exchange.
[13:30:20] <Jymmm> Just check the date before accepting the new one
[13:30:31] <Jymmm> make sure it doens't expire tomorrow
[13:30:58] <_methods> lol
[13:31:01] <_methods> the way of the world
[13:31:28] <Jymmm> Good price, but I just cant manipulate a 100lb tank as easily, nor really store it either
[13:31:49] <Jymmm> My 40lb is perfect to refill tires, blow off shit, etc
[13:32:04] <Jymmm> Just need a backup
[13:32:09] <_methods> heheh those gas guys man they can rock those tanks
[13:32:21] <_methods> we had a guy that would roll 2 dewers in at a time
[13:32:26] <_methods> one in each hand
[13:32:33] <_methods> same with tanks
[13:32:56] <Jymmm> Sure, but I walk around with this thing as needed. no cords to strung out etc
[13:33:14] <_methods> like no country for old men lol
[13:33:22] <_methods> whackin mofos
[13:33:26] <_methods> on the couch lol
[13:33:37] <Jymmm> _methods: EXACTLY!!! I actually looked into that for the hell of it, nothing on CL =)
[13:33:44] <_methods> hehe
[13:33:53] <_methods> he was rockin a co2 tank i think
[13:34:07] <Jymmm> 2000psi it really doens't matter much
[13:34:11] <_methods> food service makes those easier to find
[13:34:40] <Jymmm> can a co2 tank accept nitrogen?
[13:35:01] <_methods> i have no idea
[13:35:12] <_methods> i've never tried the air tank assassin market out lol
[13:35:30] <Jymmm> sucks to be you
[13:35:33] <_methods> heheh
[13:36:24] <Jymmm> crap, a nicer looking tank, but again 100lbs
[13:37:15] <Jymmm> cheaper to fill, but a bitch to load/unload
[13:37:36] <Jymmm> I have a nice lil air chuck setup on mine with quick release
[13:38:02] <Jymmm> set the pressure on the regulator, and fill tires!
[13:38:22] <_methods> interesting
[13:38:30] <_methods> i just use my compressor lol
[13:38:34] <moorbo> same
[13:39:03] <Jymmm> Nitrogen good for fire supression and no moisture
[13:39:45] <Jymmm> Works GREAT for displacing oxygen too
[13:45:58] <Jymmm> Actually, REALLY good for that. Packed some bird seed in contianers after removing the oxygen, tested for 9 months, and it great condition!
[13:46:48] <Jymmm> you can't even freeze or nuke seed and have it last that long. It naturally has "seed flies" on it that are resiliant.
[13:49:13] <XXCoder> seed flies?
[13:49:41] <Jymmm> Yeah, larva
[13:49:51] <XXCoder> ahh
[13:49:51] <Jymmm> it's a species of moth
[13:50:11] <Jymmm> harmless, just annoying when they hatch. All grain has them
[13:50:27] <Jymmm> wheat, millet, etc
[13:51:09] <Jymmm> But even freezing the grain will not stop them from hatching.
[13:51:34] <Jymmm> But tested with removing the oxygen, and so far so good.
[13:52:17] <XXCoder> would it recover if removed from no oxy area?
[13:52:34] <XXCoder> if not you probably found a method that would make grain darn near immortal
[13:52:54] <Jymmm> It might, havent' unsealed them to find out. But you just have to use the seed before they hatch sorta thing.
[13:53:23] <gene78> Hi all, what do I comment out to go back to individual per axis homing on a lathe?
[13:53:24] <Jymmm> dormant is perfectly fine
[13:53:55] <XXCoder> indeed as long as it lasts a long time.
[13:54:40] <gene78> I have comment the HOME_SEQUENCE lines, but I still get a "HOME ALL" button
[13:54:43] <Jymmm> XXCoder: 9months is GREAT!, if it last 2 years would be better, but have to see if they go rancid after 2 years
[13:54:56] <XXCoder> yeah theres other ways to decay
[13:55:02] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I do a bit of age testing on various food stuffs
[13:55:38] <XXCoder> maybe start off with UV to kill most germs and fungus then nitrogen to stop those moths
[13:55:49] <XXCoder> combined it may last long time indeed
[13:56:16] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Nah, too much of a pita.
[13:56:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:02:00] <gene78> how do I make the "Home All" into a home selected axis?
[14:04:37] <cradek> gene78: you remove the homing sequence lines from your ini
[14:17:37] <ve7it> Jymmm, hey
[14:22:11] <Jymmm> ve7it: Hi MR L
[14:53:33] <humble_sea_bass> NYC's new bike share program fills their tires with nitrogen
[14:54:35] <XXCoder> heard there is lot of benefits to that
[14:54:49] <XXCoder> cooler longer, as well as not expanding as much
[14:54:59] <humble_sea_bass> no moisture in the tire, reduced expansion etc
[14:55:14] <humble_sea_bass> and since these things are outside all the time, it matters
[14:55:58] <humble_sea_bass> also one of my favorite beers is keg pressurized with nitrogen
[14:56:47] <humble_sea_bass> http://allthesamesong.com/post/41391713613/beer-review-0314-left-hand-milk-stout-nitro
[14:58:02] <CaptHindsight_> I once floated on a sea of inert gas (nitrogen)
[14:58:52] <CaptHindsight_> I'm suprised they managed to get the bike tires that sealed
[15:00:12] <humble_sea_bass> everything on those bikes is custom to deter theft
[15:00:36] <humble_sea_bass> I don't doubt they used some crazy valve and thicker tubes
[15:01:05] <CaptHindsight_> including their lovely color scheme, they are about as attractive as the shared bikes here
[15:01:16] <CaptHindsight_> and by shared I mean you pay for
[15:03:59] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.trbimg.com/img-52157393/turbine/chi-chicago-divvy-station-20130821/600/600x412
[15:04:13] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.fastcompany.com/multisite_files/fastcompany/poster/2013/06/3012602-poster-1920-new-york-citys-bike-share-hits-100000-rides.jpg
[15:04:35] <humble_sea_bass> they are gross looking, but all said and done it is a wonderful ammenity
[15:05:10] <humble_sea_bass> it is cool to go out for lunch and not feel locked into eating in a 2 block radius
[15:05:12] <CaptHindsight_> I wish they allowed electric scooters on the roads
[15:05:59] <humble_sea_bass> they do, or at least they don't care. chinese electric bikes have flooded the city for better or worse
[15:06:19] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: how year around are the bike lanes busy there?
[15:06:58] <CaptHindsight_> some die hards here are out even when -10F
[15:07:06] <humble_sea_bass> always busy
[15:07:24] <humble_sea_bass> thankfully we don't have crazy chicago temps too often
[15:08:25] <humble_sea_bass> I used to be one of those crazies riding over the manhattan bridge in the middle of winter, I have yet to meet someone whose devotion is unshaken as they approach the apex of the span
[15:09:00] <CaptHindsight_> I used to ride a 2-cycle nitromethane motor/skateboard, but the streets are to lousy now
[15:10:47] <humble_sea_bass> those motorized scateboards terrify me because their turning radius is so large
[15:11:32] <XXCoder> custom bicycle http://cheezburger.com/5740813056
[15:11:34] <CaptHindsight_> you don't just turn by leaning, you do at higher speeds but now when slow
[15:11:43] <CaptHindsight_> now/not
[15:12:09] <CaptHindsight_> XXCoder: now that's real style
[15:12:25] <XXCoder> bicycle physics is still not fully understood
[15:13:03] <humble_sea_bass> Cornell has a lab devoted to bike physics
[15:13:05] <humble_sea_bass> or dide
[15:13:42] <CaptHindsight_> chinese food delivery, those should be mandatory here
[15:14:01] <CaptHindsight_> glowing eyes for headlights
[15:14:27] <XXCoder> yep lol
[15:15:28] <CaptHindsight_> http://blog.walkscore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/choicemap-chicago-car-bike-share.png thats pretty good coverage of the city
[15:17:42] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.walkscore.com/NY/New_York not nearly as good as NYC
[15:20:45] <CaptHindsight_> >60f here today, time to air out the shop
[16:29:19] <Deejay> gn8
[16:34:38] <CaptHindsight> emulsion a success just using an old blender I forgot I had in a box
[16:35:03] <CaptHindsight> everybody take the rest of the day off
[16:39:41] <witnit> ughh there is too much to learn regarding computers..
[16:43:58] <witnit> cannot remember all the steps, must learn linux to use cnc, must learn git to obtain cnc software, learn programming to configure devices... learn devices to know how to program... everythings progress is conditional to my personal knowledge... ughhh
[16:45:52] <witnit> I should have dropped out of highschool at grade 9 and educated myself properly.
[16:48:14] <CaptHindsight_> Linuxcnc doesn't need too much skill
[16:48:32] <witnit> skill is not what I mentioned
[16:48:35] <CaptHindsight_> some reading and a text editor is all many people need
[16:48:38] <witnit> just knowedge
[16:48:52] <witnit> "some" is a pretty damned loose term
[16:49:16] <CaptHindsight_> but yeah, to be able to build and use computers just the way you want you don't learn that in school, it requires an education
[16:49:25] <CaptHindsight_> time and effort
[16:49:38] <witnit> I just said all those things above lol,
[16:49:55] <witnit> "educate myself properly"
[16:50:29] <CaptHindsight_> using Linuxcnc doesn't take that much effort
[16:50:34] <CaptHindsight_> :)
[16:51:15] <witnit> neither does turning on a lightswitch, but wiring a whole house takes effort
[16:51:24] <witnit> which is where you are not seeing my point I think
[16:51:39] <witnit> Im doing more than "using linuxcnc"
[16:53:18] <CaptHindsight_> I see you point
[16:53:23] <CaptHindsight_> your even
[17:22:36] <witnit> does anyone know how to fix this? I have a 7i90 and linux cnc wont talk to it, neither will mesa flash.. so I try mesaflash3 and this occurs
[17:23:09] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11099014
[17:23:47] <witnit> I am talking to it via epp
[17:24:06] <witnit> bios is set at epp1/9 for my parallel port.
[17:28:26] <CaptHindsight_> you don't have PCI utils installed
[17:28:48] <CaptHindsight_> after installing LSPCI should give you the port for the LPT
[17:29:36] <CaptHindsight_> then you use that LPT address in the config
[17:29:44] <CaptHindsight_> have to bbl
[17:30:56] <witnit> pciutils is already the newest version.
[17:31:09] <witnit> lspci
[17:32:07] <micges> witnit: use https://github.com/micges/mesaflash and make it from sources, it will run
[17:32:29] <witnit> thank you micges
[17:33:11] <micges> it's some compatibility issues, will be removed along with libpci dependency
[17:34:13] <witnit> im just too clueless for this
[17:34:13] <witnit> hahah
[17:34:21] <witnit> I dont know what im doing at all
[17:34:47] <witnit> so I do like, git clone http://....mesaflash, then type make?
[17:35:46] <micges> yes, but after clone do 'cd mesaflash'
[17:35:51] <witnit> well yeah
[17:35:54] <witnit> but it doesnt do anything
[17:35:59] <witnit> gcc -I/usr/include -O0 -g -lm -c common.c
[17:35:59] <witnit> common.c:20:21: error: pci/pci.h: No such file or directory
[17:36:21] <micges> sudo apt-get install libpci-dev
[17:36:30] <witnit> ughh
[17:36:55] <witnit> I need instructions ahahah I cant come in here everytime I have a problem and ask people its so time consuming for all involved
[17:37:37] <witnit> see. if someone just wrote this down....
[17:38:18] <micges> witnit: I know I know...
[17:38:43] <witnit> okay I got this mic but still It doesnt show the card
[17:39:12] <micges> got correct address ?
[17:39:12] <witnit> I go to bios set to epp for parallel and then do something like sudo ./mesaflash --list
[17:39:22] <witnit> or addr-- 0x378
[17:39:45] <witnit> yellow light on card is normal I thik
[17:39:51] <witnit> 1 yellow power on light
[17:40:08] <micges> sudo ./mesaflash --device 7i90 --addr 0x378
[17:40:30] <witnit> genious
[17:40:32] <witnit> err
[17:40:35] <witnit> genius
[17:41:01] <micges> use 'mesaflash --help' there is basic help there
[17:41:20] <witnit> yeah, I never could view it before, I just had the old mesaflash working
[17:41:50] <witnit> If I knew more I would make it to where when you download an iso it would have all this stuff already on it
[17:42:11] <witnit> I just never know where to look to learn these things
[17:43:28] <witnit> all you developers are too busy, we need more people involved :P
[17:43:40] <micges> I'll add README and configure script and info about 'mesaflash --help' to short info showed with no args
[17:44:22] <witnit> could you make a small change to the readme included with the git download
[17:44:42] <micges> mesaflash is still 3.0 beta, got few bugs there
[17:45:26] <micges> what change?
[17:45:51] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11099610
[17:46:10] <witnit> that should have before the ./configure a ./autogen.sh you think?
[17:46:27] <witnit> its what I needed to do to get the ./configure option..
[17:48:38] <witnit> it had ME stumped for 5 minutes anyhow :P
[17:48:53] <witnit> not hard to confuse me though
[17:49:43] <micges> will add it, thanks
[17:50:17] <witnit> awesome... im a contributor now
[17:50:19] <witnit> hahahah no
[17:50:21] <witnit> np
[18:04:58] <micges> witnit: readme added
[18:15:13] <witnit> you are great sir, you just saved man y a noob a heartache
[18:15:24] <witnit> many*
[20:43:40] <shaun413> Hi
[21:48:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: jthornton_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUcEGOLfUTE
[21:53:42] <shaun413> can get hf lathe for 389...
[21:53:47] <shaun413> on sale tommorow
[21:53:50] <shaun413> decent deal or no?
[21:54:06] <moorbo> get the 599$ one
[21:54:10] <moorbo> regular 699
[21:54:16] <shaun413> hmm?
[21:54:22] <moorbo> 7x12
[21:54:23] <moorbo> iirc
[21:54:31] <shaun413> yeah
[21:54:37] <shaun413> ive been told it makes a nice doortstop
[21:54:53] <moorbo> and the 389 one doesn't?
[21:55:05] <XXCoder> 389 hell thats cheap
[21:55:09] <XXCoder> good sarter
[21:55:11] <XXCoder> starter
[21:55:15] <shaun413> 450
[21:55:17] <shaun413> actually
[21:55:26] <shaun413> for 7x12
[21:55:28] <XXCoder> you can get whole lotta tools after that if you could buy below $1k
[21:55:35] <shaun413> :/
[21:55:57] <XXCoder> isnt it normally like $800
[22:00:54] <zeeshan> jdh: you here?
[22:01:40] <shaun413> XXCoder, normally 700
[22:01:57] <XXCoder> ok
[22:08:39] <shaun413> XXCoder, is it a good deal?
[22:08:47] <XXCoder> sounds like it
[22:09:11] * shaun413 looks for 450 dollars
[22:21:31] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well it's been kind of a shitty night here...
[22:21:46] <zeeshan> whats wrong
[22:21:46] <witnit> awwe
[22:21:51] <witnit> whats up man?
[22:22:31] <PetefromTn_Andro> My wife somehow sliced her pinky with a vegetable slicer gift my daughter gave her and we had to take her to the ER.
[22:22:42] <zeeshan> fak
[22:23:00] <PetefromTn_Andro> You can say that again.
[22:23:17] <witnit> fak
[22:23:22] <shaun413> witnit,
[22:23:26] <shaun413> HF lathe is on sale
[22:23:28] <shaun413> for 450
[22:23:37] <witnit> expensive door stop
[22:23:48] <shaun413> :/
[22:23:52] <witnit> is that about 50% off?
[22:24:03] <PetefromTn_Andro> They got it to stop bleeding but it removed part of her meaty part of her fingertip pretty damn good.
[22:24:07] <shaun413> witnit, 25
[22:24:19] <witnit> whats 75% of nothin
[22:24:59] <pcw_home> Yow that sucks PetefromTn_Andro :-(
[22:25:33] <shaun413> witnit, anything better for that price...
[22:25:54] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah man we were all cooking dinner and next thing we are in the ER for a couple hours...just got back from eating some fast food after we got out.
[22:26:04] <witnit> awwe
[22:26:14] <zeeshan> what fast food? :D
[22:26:23] <zeeshan> (sorry i havent had fast food in 8 months)
[22:26:26] <zeeshan> CRAVING
[22:26:40] <witnit> Im glad it not extremely serious, I was worried you might have got hung up in a lathe or somthing
[22:26:45] <PetefromTn_Andro> Just some sonic
[22:27:27] <shaun413> witnit, not worth buying?
[22:27:52] <PetefromTn_Andro> Noah it is not serious at all just sucks. I have messed up enough fingers over the years to know what she means when she cries that it is throbbing.
[22:28:13] <witnit> Thank you pcw_home and micges this occured today..Boot sector OK
[22:28:13] <witnit> Verifying EEPROM sectors starting from 0x80000...
[22:28:13] <witnit> Board configuration verified successfully
[22:28:23] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro: they didnt give her pain killers?
[22:28:26] <zeeshan> tynelol 3?
[22:28:51] <PetefromTn_Andro> Naah just stopped the bleeding and covered it up.
[22:29:30] <witnit> Shes going to bump it on everything 12 times a day...guaranteed
[22:29:32] <PetefromTn_Andro> Did you ever get your indicator holder?
[22:30:32] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah worst part is she is a nurse so she is constantly using her hands so we picked up some of those finger condoms or whatever they are called to protect her
[22:30:48] <shaun413> witnit, .
[22:31:00] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro: nope
[22:31:05] <witnit> oh, shaun you know that 75% of nothin is nothin :)
[22:31:10] <PetefromTn_Andro> Seriously damn.
[22:31:18] <shaun413> witnit, how is it nothing
[22:31:22] <zeeshan> i did buy a noga indicator base from ebay
[22:31:23] <shaun413> what exactly is bad about it?
[22:31:24] <zeeshan> for 60$
[22:31:31] <zeeshan> i bet itll show up before the shars stuff does
[22:31:41] <PetefromTn_Andro> Shaun good lord man buy a freaking lathe or stop talking about it jeez...
[22:31:46] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro:
[22:31:47] <zeeshan> ROFL
[22:31:47] <witnit> yeah commit dood
[22:31:54] <witnit> women hate a man that cant commit
[22:31:56] <zeeshan> i've been asking Jymmm to ban him for a while now
[22:31:58] <witnit> you wanna be that guy
[22:32:01] <shaun413> I want to buy the right lathe...
[22:32:04] <zeeshan> this guy is just trolling everyone
[22:32:06] * Valen got a ceramic knife for mother in law, it had a plastic cover for the blade, she opened it with her thumb over the opening, dad and I both saw her and shouted noooo but it was too late
[22:32:11] <moorbo> witnit: I know a hate a man who can't commit
[22:32:13] <Valen> sliced her thumb open real good
[22:32:16] <Valen> :-<
[22:32:30] <XXCoder> shaun413: remember that video I linked to a while ago
[22:32:38] <shaun413> which?
[22:32:42] <XXCoder> one that has magnet roving all over and couldnt stop
[22:32:43] <moorbo> I don't like the ceramic knives
[22:32:43] <witnit> then do your own research in a more effective way, you can't pound us with the same question
[22:32:47] <XXCoder> You have to decide
[22:32:49] <moorbo> they break too easily.
[22:32:49] <zeeshan> moorbo: why
[22:32:51] <zeeshan> oh
[22:32:57] <moorbo> I bought a set
[22:32:58] <zeeshan> theyre so cool looking though
[22:32:59] <moorbo> one is fucked
[22:33:00] <Valen> wth are you doing to break them lol?
[22:33:06] <PetefromTn_Andro> MN
[22:33:08] <shaun413> i know I have to decide
[22:33:12] <moorbo> Valen: I have a bad habit of dropping things
[22:33:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> Man that sucks.
[22:33:17] <XXCoder> well its not something we can helo
[22:33:23] <shaun413> i can only really afford or have room for a hf type lathe
[22:33:28] <shaun413> but im told its a pile o crap
[22:33:32] <witnit> then buy it
[22:33:34] <XXCoder> well its returnable
[22:33:35] <moorbo> so find something else.
[22:33:36] <witnit> and find out for yourself
[22:33:45] <witnit> atleast you will know the value of our opinions then
[22:33:49] <XXCoder> online you cannot return
[22:33:50] <zeeshan> any of you experts in telescoping way covers?
[22:33:58] <shaun413> :/
[22:34:23] <tjtr33> i hate to join in, but this is a revered old name in tiny lathes, http://compare.ebay.com/like/171302773322
[22:35:24] <shaun413> really tiny
[22:35:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Machined some more on these scope rails today.
[22:35:57] <moorbo> tjtr33: those unimats are nice
[22:36:01] <moorbo> I'd used one before
[22:36:08] <PetefromTn_Andro> I am starting to get annoyed with my low Buck CNC vise.
[22:36:11] * shaun413 is so lost
[22:36:23] <XXCoder> wow tiny. specifically for watches
[22:36:36] <witnit> atleast the unimat is accurate with good slides
[22:37:03] <witnit> I wouldnt expect the harbor freight to come with straight slides
[22:37:13] <witnit> or ground for that matter
[22:37:14] <moorbo> i'd like to buy a unimat ml
[22:37:16] <shaun413> idk what those are...
[22:37:19] <moorbo> one of those modular things
[22:37:43] <moorbo> shaun413: click tjtr33s link
[22:37:49] <shaun413> I did
[22:37:54] <moorbo> thats a unimat
[22:38:02] <shaun413> I know
[22:38:05] <moorbo> so...
[22:38:07] <moorbo> what don't you know
[22:38:14] <shaun413> straight slide
[22:38:23] <moorbo> a slide
[22:38:25] <moorbo> that is straight..
[22:38:27] <moorbo> in a line
[22:38:28] <shaun413> wow
[22:38:30] <moorbo> not crooked
[22:38:49] <shaun413> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html
[22:39:06] <humble_sea_bass> wow, hi
[22:39:07] <humble_sea_bass> hi
[22:39:07] <moorbo> shaun413: yes
[22:39:08] <tjtr33> best of luck
[22:39:17] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[22:39:23] <shaun413> hi :/
[22:39:37] <PetefromTn_Andro> LOL
[22:39:50] <witnit> one thing you nice about the harbor freight machines is you probably will learn how to scrape machine ways, adjust gibs, turn chuck jaws and realign a tailstock, as soon as pull it out of the box
[22:40:12] <shaun413> :/
[22:40:19] <moorbo> heh
[22:40:27] <moorbo> all valuable
[22:40:30] <moorbo> in learning macines
[22:40:32] <moorbo> machines*
[22:40:34] <moorbo> and metal work
[22:40:35] <witnit> maybe he does need a shitty machine
[22:40:42] <moorbo> shaun413: how are you going to be a good engineer
[22:40:52] <moorbo> if you don;t know the shitty machines the guys who make your parts are using
[22:40:54] <witnit> then he will learn how to fix it and what to look for in buying a real lathe
[22:41:25] <shaun413> I dont want to waste money
[22:41:33] <moorbo> then spend money
[22:41:43] <shaun413> Dont have any
[22:41:44] <shaun413> :p
[22:41:49] <moorbo> yeah
[22:41:52] <moorbo> get a job probably..
[22:41:55] <moorbo> I hear they pay well
[22:41:56] <humble_sea_bass> no no you don't undertand, when he buys a lathe, his knowledge will be full born like Athena from Zeus' head, and he will have no time to deal with trifles-- he will spin parts, and money will rain like mana from heaven
[22:42:08] <moorbo> Hahhahaha
[22:42:11] <moorbo> Hahahhahaahh
[22:42:15] <witnit> yes humble I can see it now
[22:43:48] <moorbo> witnit: I've been looking around at some 6040s on ebay
[22:43:54] <moorbo> there are some deals for like 1200$
[22:44:01] <shaun413> :/
[22:44:20] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[22:44:33] <shaun413> :/ wo
[22:44:33] <shaun413> w
[22:44:53] <moorbo> ;/ wow hi ;/
[22:45:32] <shaun413> so DONT buy the hf"?
[22:45:44] <_methods> omg is this still going on
[22:45:44] <moorbo> shaun413: chances are
[22:45:45] <humble_sea_bass> buy it and live with it
[22:45:49] <moorbo> the hf isn't a bad machine
[22:45:55] <_methods> holee fook
[22:45:59] <shaun413> :/
[22:46:00] <moorbo> its most definitely a starter
[22:46:01] <moorbo> thats it
[22:46:05] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: want me to do your homework this weekend?
[22:46:11] <shaun413> no thanks humble_sea_bass
[22:46:14] <shaun413> I did it
[22:46:21] <humble_sea_bass> i bet its all wrong
[22:46:28] <shaun413> no
[22:46:45] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: shaun413 couldn't decide if its 2 or 2^2 in the answer.
[22:46:50] <moorbo> which one to go with?
[22:47:06] <PetefromTn_Andro> Who gives a rats ass...
[22:47:07] <witnit> moorbo I would suggest placing a steel plate on top of that aluminum plate and resurfacing it and adding your own T slots, this will assure acurate slots as well as save your table from, the t nuts raising your aluminum slots. you could tap for mounting items and place jig stops anywhere
[22:47:12] <humble_sea_bass> steam tables, what numbers to choose?
[22:47:13] <humble_sea_bass> ??
[22:47:18] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[22:47:40] <shaun413> thats enough now humble_sea_bass
[22:47:44] <moorbo> witnit: I'll keep that in mind, I remember you saying the aluextrusions being crap
[22:48:05] <witnit> its just common for people to opvertighten when placing a vise on the table
[22:48:14] <witnit> then you have to file down the material
[22:48:23] <humble_sea_bass> :/ ok :/
[22:49:19] <witnit> also you cant assume that running an indicator from one end of the aluminum slot to the other end and it be true, this means your quality vises will not realign as you move them around the table
[22:50:45] <witnit> also a problem with that design can be height
[22:50:52] <witnit> boring is nearly impossible
[22:50:54] <moorbo> witnit: the 6040?
[22:51:07] <_methods> yeah the 6040 has little z travel
[22:51:13] <witnit> because a 4 inch part requires a 8 inch hight to let the tool hit
[22:51:13] <moorbo> ah..
[22:51:36] <_methods> it's good for doing engraving and pcb milling
[22:51:43] <witnit> yeah
[22:51:45] <_methods> and some very simple cnc stuff
[22:51:50] <moorbo> I see most people label them as engravers
[22:51:53] <_methods> it's great for learning
[22:51:58] <moorbo> I'd rather an actual mill
[22:52:20] <moorbo> maybe I should just make one
[22:52:25] <moorbo> it'd probably cost the same
[22:52:44] <_methods> well what is your goal, how much capital do you have, how much room do you have, what is your skill level, and what kind of power do you have in your facility
[22:53:05] <witnit> I think you are going to be happier if you do.
[22:53:12] <_methods> thos are your limits
[22:53:25] <moorbo> _methods: i own a couple 3d printers I built, and I was looking for info on a 5 axis mill from the guys here the other day
[22:53:32] <moorbo> they convinced me it was a waste of money
[22:53:41] <_methods> not necessarily
[22:53:45] <moorbo> but it's basically something to do some milling with for alu, or plastic
[22:53:45] <_methods> not anymore than a 3d printer
[22:53:58] <_methods> they are all tools
[22:54:06] <_methods> you use the correct tool for the application
[22:54:13] <moorbo> and it has to be relatively small, one that I can put in my apartment
[22:54:22] <_methods> so there is a limit
[22:54:30] <_methods> has to work in an apartment
[22:54:31] <moorbo> I've ran a lathe a bit, but no milling
[22:54:35] <_methods> so that rules out 3 phase
[22:54:38] <moorbo> heh
[22:54:39] <moorbo> yes
[22:54:43] <moorbo> no 3 phas
[22:54:52] <moorbo> witnit: probably will be
[22:55:07] <_methods> also rules out anything that won't fit through a standard door
[22:55:14] <moorbo> yeah
[22:55:19] <moorbo> _methods: pocketnc.com
[22:55:21] <_methods> so you are down to desktop mills
[22:55:24] <moorbo> _methods: that was kinda nice
[22:55:26] <_methods> yeaah i've seen them
[22:55:28] <moorbo> _methods: they just want a lot of money
[22:55:34] <_methods> yeah
[22:55:36] <moorbo> but something similiar to that
[22:55:40] <moorbo> was what I was interested in
[22:55:43] <witnit> too much for 4 stepper motors and some aluminum
[22:56:05] <_methods> well from what you are saying you are looking for a bench mill/lathe
[22:56:15] <witnit> do you already have access to a milling machine?
[22:56:19] <moorbo> mill
[22:56:23] <moorbo> witnit: yes and no
[22:56:26] <witnit> so you could build your own with ease?
[22:56:27] <moorbo> witnit: basically no
[22:56:44] <witnit> well I mean you dont NEED a mill to get it done, but it sure would help.
[22:57:00] <witnit> do you have a good tap set?
[22:57:05] <moorbo> nah ;/
[22:57:09] <witnit> hrmm
[22:57:21] <witnit> welder?
[22:57:26] <moorbo> I do have one of those
[22:57:29] <moorbo> many of those
[22:57:41] <moorbo> I usually sneak stuff into other jobs
[22:57:44] <_methods> mig tig or stick?
[22:57:48] <moorbo> that we send off, if I need something machines
[22:57:49] <moorbo> _methods: all
[22:57:51] <_methods> k
[22:57:52] <witnit> great
[22:57:55] <moorbo> and a plasma welder
[22:57:56] <shaun413> what is a 4 jaw chuck used for?
[22:57:57] <shaun413> over 3?
[22:58:04] <moorbo> ...but thats probably overkill ;p
[22:58:15] <witnit> shaun
[22:58:17] <_methods> lol
[22:58:18] <witnit> look it up yourself
[22:58:21] <shaun413> witnit,
[22:58:23] <shaun413> ok
[22:59:18] <_methods> i recommend like the 3020 or 6040 for people learning
[22:59:30] <_methods> you learn the basics of gcode and milling with it
[22:59:40] <_methods> then you can build your own after you know what you want
[22:59:48] <moorbo> yeah quite true eh
[22:59:59] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Fine, what's it worth to ya?
[23:00:10] <witnit> hes probably right since you never were trained in them
[23:00:21] <witnit> it would help you decide what you wanted and needed
[23:00:38] <witnit> otherwise you will be building two machines
[23:00:58] <moorbo> hmm
[23:00:59] <moorbo> yeah
[23:01:05] <moorbo> Maybe I'll get a 3020
[23:01:13] <moorbo> and modify build new as I decide if I like anything
[23:01:15] <moorbo> they're pretty cheap
[23:01:17] <_methods> it's a tad more involved than 3d printing
[23:01:26] <_methods> you can't just go to thingiverse and get gcode
[23:01:31] <witnit> also you go convert it to a printer when you build your own mill I suppose
[23:01:33] <moorbo> _methods: hehe,
[23:01:46] <moorbo> _methods: I know some gcode
[23:01:50] <moorbo> and general machine design
[23:01:53] <_methods> i use my minimill for pcb cutting mostly
[23:01:58] <moorbo> but yeah, you're right
[23:02:02] <moorbo> milling is a different beast
[23:02:12] <moorbo> the 3d printer was my introduction into 'automation'
[23:02:18] <_methods> ^^
[23:02:19] <witnit> methods you solder your own boards up?
[23:02:21] <_methods> it's a good intro
[23:02:24] <_methods> yeah
[23:02:38] <witnit> I saw something on ebay you may want I didnt know if it was a good deal or not
[23:02:46] <_methods> oh yeah?
[23:03:14] * _methods is always lookin for deals
[23:03:27] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Box-of-Misc-Terminal-Blocks-100-new-and-unused-/300986909674?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item461437c3ea
[23:03:34] <witnit> is that helpful or even worth the money?
[23:04:06] <_methods> ah
[23:04:07] <_methods> nice
[23:04:08] <witnit> you could make him an offer
[23:04:30] <_methods> it's probably not a great deal
[23:04:39] <moorbo> depends on the amps they support
[23:04:52] <moorbo> I bought like 5 screw terminals for 15$
[23:05:37] <_methods> it's pretty much a standard dealfrom what i see in that box
[23:06:06] <_methods> there's a lot of whacky terminals in there
[23:06:28] <moorbo> there is
[23:06:31] <_methods> and some of them you odn't know if the matching part is there
[23:06:41] <witnit> yeah, well, I know nothing about them ahaha I just thought it might be handy for some of you pcb guys so I added it to my watch list
[23:06:44] <_methods> those pluggable screw terminals
[23:06:56] <_methods> it could be a good deal
[23:07:02] <witnit> make him an offer
[23:07:09] <witnit> I bet hed do $22
[23:07:11] <witnit> in a flash
[23:07:15] <moorbo> yeah me too
[23:07:20] <moorbo> i'd pay 22$ for those
[23:07:25] <_methods> well i would if i didn't have tons of terminals already lol
[23:07:37] <witnit> hahaha well moorbo, you said it, go get em
[23:07:52] <moorbo> witnit: ;)
[23:13:34] <_methods> i just figure with the 6040 or 3020 you can learn the stuff for the least amount of money
[23:13:39] <_methods> learn about fixtures
[23:13:43] <_methods> end mills
[23:13:46] <_methods> drills
[23:13:51] <_methods> fixtures
[23:13:58] <_methods> did i mention fixtures
[23:14:02] <moorbo> lol
[23:14:12] <witnit> have any of you bought those LED strips before, or like the ropes? Im picking out some, but I want to make sure they are VERY bright im putting them inside clear air hose and lining the inside doors of my machines with them. I also want them to not suck, any suggestions on which brand/style
[23:14:16] <_methods> 90% of machining is how you hold stuff
[23:14:34] <_methods> you want addressable leds?
[23:14:39] <XXCoder> witnit: you could find 100ft for 10 bucks. I did
[23:14:53] <XXCoder> but address is other story, you'd have to buy strips not ropes
[23:15:00] <witnit> address?
[23:15:05] <XXCoder> addressable
[23:15:09] <witnit> like control every other one
[23:15:16] <witnit> ok lemme look up the types :P
[23:15:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:15:21] <_methods> control all of em lol
[23:15:34] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37gnXlL8W4
[23:15:57] <witnit> oh no, hahaha
[23:16:04] <witnit> just white is fine on/off
[23:16:28] <shaun413_> Hi
[23:16:40] <witnit> learn about 4 jaw chucks yet?
[23:16:57] <shaun413_> Didn't look
[23:17:06] <shaun413_> I can't afford lathes right now
[23:17:10] <shaun413_> No point
[23:17:12] <witnit> really...
[23:17:15] <witnit> you serious
[23:17:16] <shaun413_> Yes
[23:17:28] <witnit> so three weeks of wasting everyones time?
[23:17:38] <witnit> sighhhh.......
[23:17:54] <shaun413_> I don't have the money
[23:17:58] <moorbo> that wasn't a surprise
[23:18:02] <moorbo> I know a cheap person
[23:18:09] <moorbo> cause i'm hella cheap
[23:18:10] <_methods> people were told in here over and over he is a troll
[23:18:15] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:18:18] <shaun413_> I'm not a troll
[23:18:20] <XXCoder> "awesome"
[23:18:23] <_methods> you are a troll
[23:18:27] <shaun413_> No
[23:18:28] <XXCoder> hes hella "awesome" person
[23:18:35] <humble_sea_bass> trol
[23:18:39] <shaun413_> Not having money is not being a troll
[23:19:04] <humble_sea_bass> sucking at life is a troll
[23:19:08] <shaun413_> Ok
[23:19:11] <moorbo> lol
[23:19:21] <moorbo> shaun413_: how do you have no money
[23:19:28] <shaun413_> How?
[23:19:33] <shaun413_> I'm a student
[23:19:35] <moorbo> so
[23:19:37] <moorbo> get ajob
[23:19:40] <shaun413_> No time
[23:19:51] <moorbo> so who is paying for everything
[23:19:52] <witnit> as much as you are in here asking about lathes..
[23:19:53] <XXCoder> then shut it about lathe
[23:19:54] <witnit> you have time
[23:19:56] <humble_sea_bass> use the SAE lathe at school
[23:19:59] <moorbo> and doesn't your university/college
[23:20:06] <moorbo> have a metal workshop to use
[23:20:18] <shaun413_> I don't live there
[23:20:22] <moorbo> so
[23:20:23] <XXCoder> pee on it
[23:20:27] <humble_sea_bass> he refuses to use their shops because they don't take his sensibilities into account
[23:20:34] <shaun413_> I'd spend more in gas then on a lathe
[23:20:35] <_methods> yes under his bridge there is no machine shop
[23:20:36] <moorbo> you don't have to live at the school
[23:20:47] <moorbo> you drive there daily anyways
[23:20:48] <moorbo> don't you
[23:20:51] <moorbo> just stay longer
[23:20:57] <shaun413_> Only during school
[23:21:03] <shaun413_> Its over soon
[23:21:08] <_methods> i hope so
[23:21:14] <moorbo> they don't stay open for students anyways?
[23:21:16] <_methods> are you trying to tell us something?
[23:21:18] <moorbo> mine always did.
[23:21:22] <shaun413_> They do
[23:21:22] <_methods> are you a mass murderer
[23:21:30] <shaun413_> But why would I go
[23:21:31] <_methods> are you going to shoot up yoru school?
[23:21:41] <_methods> someone call the police
[23:21:48] <moorbo> wait
[23:21:53] <moorbo> I just told you a reason to go
[23:22:17] <shaun413_> Gas isn't cheap
[23:22:23] <XXCoder> use pee for gas
[23:22:25] <moorbo> you're in the states
[23:22:27] <moorbo> arn't you?
[23:22:29] <shaun413_> Yes
[23:22:31] <humble_sea_bass> stay late after class
[23:22:31] <moorbo> gas is hella cheap there.
[23:22:35] <shaun413_> No
[23:22:40] <moorbo> its like
[23:22:43] <shaun413_> You guys don't read....
[23:22:47] <moorbo> less than a dollar per litre
[23:22:51] <humble_sea_bass> actually, who gave you a license to drive
[23:22:51] <shaun413_> No....
[23:22:58] <shaun413_> Its like 4 dollars a gallon
[23:23:01] <XXCoder> moorbo: depends on where but basically yes
[23:23:06] <moorbo> thats less than a dollar a litre
[23:23:11] <shaun413_> Ok
[23:23:12] <humble_sea_bass> >>4 dollars a gallon
[23:23:17] <shaun413_> Not cheap
[23:23:18] <XXCoder> most regions is below 4 bucks a gallon
[23:23:25] <XXCoder> here its $3.40 a gallon
[23:23:29] <moorbo> so its way less than a dollar a litre
[23:23:33] <_methods> yeah
[23:23:38] <moorbo> jesus
[23:23:41] <_methods> they don't know how much gas costs moorbo
[23:23:41] <XXCoder> one gallone = 4 litres
[23:23:45] <moorbo> so cheap
[23:23:47] <_methods> yeah
[23:23:51] <_methods> it's nice here lol
[23:24:00] <XXCoder> fuck gas
[23:24:06] <XXCoder> I want solar or something
[23:24:14] <moorbo> the cheapest I've ever paid for gas was 1.39 a litre CAD
[23:24:15] <XXCoder> or gas thats NOT from oil
[23:24:15] <shaun413_> I'm not arguing about logistics
[23:24:20] <moorbo> the most was 2 euros
[23:24:21] <moorbo> :/
[23:24:29] <_methods> ouch
[23:24:33] <humble_sea_bass> what's it take to get a kline around here
[23:24:34] <XXCoder> usa just invented cheap method to make gas out of seawater
[23:24:40] <_methods> right
[23:24:41] <XXCoder> no more carbon
[23:24:48] <XXCoder> well no more GAIN of carbon
[23:24:55] <_methods> the iq in this room drops like 100 pts every time he shows up
[23:24:57] <moorbo> out of seawater
[23:24:59] <moorbo> interesting
[23:25:02] <moorbo> do you have a thing
[23:25:05] <moorbo> article
[23:25:06] <XXCoder> still better than drilling liquid sunlight/carbon
[23:25:06] <shaun413_> ?
[23:25:21] <XXCoder> sec
[23:25:30] <shaun413_> My IQ is 136
[23:25:31] <XXCoder> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/13/newser-navy-seawater-fuel/7668665/
[23:25:36] <shaun413_> I doubt it drops
[23:25:46] <XXCoder> 136 miq
[23:25:51] <XXCoder> not a typo
[23:25:55] <shaun413_> ...
[23:25:58] <_methods> i think you forgot a decimal place shaun413_
[23:26:02] <_methods> 13.6
[23:26:04] <shaun413_> Stfu
[23:26:05] <_methods> is not 136
[23:26:09] <XXCoder> nah he just forgot m in miq
[23:26:13] <XXCoder> milliIQ
[23:26:18] <_methods> hehe
[23:26:58] <shaun413_> I'm done here
[23:26:59] <witnit> what does IQ stand for shaun? you have ten seconds to answer or I assume you googled
[23:27:08] <witnit> 4
[23:27:13] <shaun413_> Intelligence quotient
[23:27:15] <witnit> beeeeeep
[23:27:18] <shaun413_> I'm not dumb
[23:27:29] <XXCoder> lol I know what it is, but I cant remember full version of iq
[23:27:41] <moorbo> 13.6 iq says otherwise
[23:27:41] <humble_sea_bass> you sure act retarded though
[23:27:43] <witnit> I didnt actually know I was just pressin him
[23:27:57] <_methods> hahah
[23:28:00] <shaun413_> ...
[23:28:17] <XXCoder> took me half second to google
[23:28:23] <XXCoder> just type "iq define" in url
[23:28:24] <XXCoder> done
[23:28:29] <shaun413_> Cool
[23:28:41] <witnit> nice
[23:28:47] <witnit> learn something new everyday
[23:28:53] <XXCoder> so still possiblke he googled lol
[23:28:59] <witnit> so your up to 13.7 now shaun?
[23:29:04] <shaun413_> ...
[23:29:09] <_methods> heheh
[23:29:12] <humble_sea_bass> he doesn't know how to google
[23:29:26] <humble_sea_bass> otherwise he wouldn't ask stupid questions
[23:29:27] <_methods> he is google
[23:29:31] <witnit> counter trolling at its best
[23:29:34] <shaun413_> No, I use my brain instead
[23:29:38] <XXCoder> pee on it
[23:29:45] <moorbo> pee on your brain!
[23:29:53] <_methods> pee on shaun413_
[23:30:05] <XXCoder> I'm making "pee on it" a macro
[23:30:08] <moorbo> thats hard for me :(
[23:30:20] <moorbo> XXCoder: lol
[23:30:51] <witnit> you can't get the right arc huh moorbo?
[23:31:17] <moorbo> witnit: pretty much 90 degrees
[23:31:22] <moorbo> ;(
[23:32:04] <XXCoder> ok screwed command lol
[23:32:19] <shaun413_> Night
[23:32:23] <witnit> seee youu
[23:32:40] <XXCoder> heh
[23:33:37] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[23:33:43] <witnit> got it?
[23:33:48] <XXCoder> okay it was user command conflict
[23:33:52] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[23:34:04] <witnit> already had "Pee on it." assigned elsewares? :P
[23:34:10] <moorbo> lol
[23:34:11] <XXCoder> nah it was /p
[23:34:15] <XXCoder> changed to /pee
[23:34:58] <witnit> XXCoder makes me think you are female due to biology
[23:35:19] <witnit> and moorbo the fact you get 90 degress no arc, makes me think the same
[23:35:31] <moorbo> me?
[23:35:31] <XXCoder> heh it has other meaning but yeah someone else, definitely female, used same elsewhere
[23:35:40] <XXCoder> I used it first though, since early 90s
[23:35:42] <moorbo> lol
[23:35:44] <moorbo> I am
[23:35:47] <witnit> I knew it
[23:36:14] <XXCoder> XXCoder is old nick
[23:36:27] <XXCoder> its old enough to drink for few years
[23:38:19] <witnit> my longest running username is griefman
[23:38:28] <witnit> from my hotmail account when I was 14
[23:38:47] <moorbo> lol
[23:38:51] <moorbo> hotmail
[23:38:51] <witnit> still active, seems like forever ago
[23:39:06] <XXCoder> heh I started using internet at damn near dawn of internet
[23:39:08] <XXCoder> 1993
[23:39:19] <witnit> Im 27
[23:39:21] <XXCoder> 1992 dont count, its fucking aol era
[23:39:34] <XXCoder> for me anyway
[23:39:47] <witnit> I dunno when I got internet I was rather young
[23:39:53] <witnit> napster era
[23:39:59] <moorbo> I stole dialup internet
[23:40:02] <XXCoder> I and my generation is last generation that mostly grew up without internet
[23:40:09] <moorbo> we had an unlimited after 6 long distance plan
[23:40:46] <moorbo> and a company from another province offered dialup for free, except for an ad window
[23:40:57] <witnit> ha long distance dial up access, so 14.4 was fast for you hahaha
[23:40:58] <XXCoder> lol netfree
[23:41:10] <XXCoder> I hacked the snot out of it. removed all ads
[23:41:18] <moorbo> witnit: my net maxed at like, 3kb downloads
[23:41:24] <witnit> sounds about right
[23:41:27] <moorbo> which I thought was awesome at the time
[23:41:29] <XXCoder> used it maybe for a hour or so, all exmergacy when regular access went down
[23:41:37] <witnit> I recall the first time I shotgunned my modems
[23:41:49] <witnit> I felt like a super internet hacker
[23:41:54] <moorbo> lol
[23:42:11] <moorbo> I pretty much used my internet to download emulator games
[23:42:14] <moorbo> with zsnes
[23:42:17] <humble_sea_bass> Quake quake quake
[23:42:20] <witnit> but my parents were displeased that both phone lines were tied during my every waking hour
[23:42:33] <witnit> BLOOD was a fps multiplayer I used to do dialup witgh
[23:42:36] <witnit> sooo funnyt
[23:42:57] <witnit> dial up fps games
[23:43:06] <witnit> silly times
[23:43:30] <humble_sea_bass> blood was on kali wasnt it
[23:44:12] <witnit> go to google image and do
[23:44:15] <witnit> blood monolith
[23:44:34] <witnit> that game scared the crap out of me
[23:44:39] <humble_sea_bass> i remember it, but I can't remember mp
[23:44:47] <moorbo> oh man
[23:44:50] <moorbo> i remember bloood
[23:45:06] <humble_sea_bass> quake was my first non-lan MP
[23:45:07] <witnit> I miss that game, I should go download it
[23:45:18] <witnit> mine was Unreal Tournament 99
[23:46:49] <ChuangTzu> atdt mofos
[23:47:02] <ChuangTzu> i haven't played a fps since duke nukem 3d
[23:47:11] <ChuangTzu> but i played the most wolfenstein
[23:48:37] <witnit> Halflife during machine trades