#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-18

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[02:10:18] <Deejay> moin
[03:10:11] <witnit> mojn!
[03:31:41] <archivist> 2.5.4 works as expected :)
[03:31:49] <witnit> fantastic :)
[03:31:58] <witnit> Thank you contributors
[03:32:44] <archivist> I just upgraded my test box and a niggle I had is now fixed
[03:33:39] <witnit> niggle be gone
[03:45:27] <witnit> akonadi seems functional on my kde again
[03:45:35] <witnit> good day tator
[04:18:09] <whitem> Does anyone know where I can find a complete(ish) list of features?
[04:18:24] <witnit> features?
[04:18:34] <whitem> of linuxCNC
[04:18:59] <whitem> I'm trying to compare it to other 3D printer software for use on the beaglebone black (similar to Arduino)
[04:19:03] <witnit> oh, well the features are your machine, linuxcnc does it all from what I can tell
[04:19:38] <witnit> drive a robot? a $400,000 industrial machine
[04:19:39] <archivist> usually it does more than documented
[04:20:27] <whitem> all right. thanks
[04:20:32] <witnit> you could maybe useit to water your plants when they get a low moisture content
[04:20:37] <witnit> that would be sweet
[04:23:13] <archivist> whitem, http://blog.machinekit.io/2014/03/mrrf-report.html
[04:23:43] <witnit> archivist I had an idea about making a turret with a water hose and pressure gate, putting wifi monitored sensors of my garden, solar powered of course, and having it water my plants whereever the monitors were placed.
[04:23:51] <witnit> million dollar idea or what?
[04:24:19] <whitem> archivist: thanks, but I'm looking for something more like this: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1707555.pdf
[04:25:01] <archivist> witnit, I suggest googling to see if you can already get it :)
[04:25:21] <whitem> I realize it's for a cape, but I want to know that LinuxCNC supports end-switches, PWM, thermistors, and at least 4 stepper motors
[04:27:12] <archivist> I have a 5 axis stepper system upto 9 axes are supported
[04:33:27] <witnit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gdMcdjUPyes
[04:33:29] <archivist> charles is making and coding for beaglebone black 3d printing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVYs6ya1nTU
[08:44:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: See, there's purpose in HF stuff... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhNXSk6BEw
[08:44:59] <_methods> looks like a suicide bomber car
[08:45:07] <_methods> good luck gettin through a gate lol
[08:45:07] <shaun413_> Lol!
[08:45:58] <_methods> what's that switch in yoru lap lol
[08:46:32] <_methods> haha the free multimeters
[08:46:48] <Jymmm> and the 6 battery chargers too
[08:46:50] <shaun413_> I got one:p
[08:48:12] <_methods> all that shit and he can't make a camera mount...........
[08:48:42] <_methods> i keep waiting for a ufo to fly by
[08:48:42] <Jymmm> _methods: Priorities man, who gives a shit =)
[08:48:46] <_methods> hahah
[08:48:55] <_methods> or godzilla tail
[08:49:31] <Jymmm> _methods: sometimes we just get caught up in the details instead of just getting shit done!
[08:49:37] <_methods> right
[08:49:42] <_methods> i'm just pokin
[08:49:46] <_methods> i'ts very impressive
[08:49:51] <Jymmm> _methods: I know ;)
[08:50:00] <_methods> at least he's doing/making something
[08:50:06] <_methods> more than i can say for 90%
[08:50:24] <Jymmm> and a home made controller to boot
[08:50:45] <_methods> WA plates
[08:51:16] <_methods> hahah crab rings in the yard
[08:51:30] <_methods> love it
[08:53:51] <_methods> one thing i miss about home is the seafood
[08:53:55] <_methods> east coast sucks
[08:53:59] <_methods> and skiing
[08:54:04] <_methods> no good skiing out here either
[08:55:46] <Jymmm> Whoa, a retail 3D printer... http://www.frys.com/product/7725148?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[08:56:12] <Jymmm> Never seen one RETAIL before! They make soldering irons and stuff.
[08:56:34] <_methods> yeah
[08:56:40] <_methods> i don't think it's that great
[08:57:16] <_methods> it's recvd kinda mixed reviews i believe
[08:57:35] <Jymmm> ah
[08:57:42] <_methods> but i rarely pay attention to 3d printer reviews their customers/reviewers usually aren't very bright
[08:58:30] <_methods> they're just slightly above kite fliers
[08:58:32] <Jymmm> I have no interest in typical 3D printers. MAybe high resolution or metal making ones.
[08:58:48] <_methods> yeah i built a couple just to see what all the fuss was about
[08:59:00] <_methods> needless to say they just sit there anymore
[08:59:15] <_methods> if i need a drink coaster or something i'll fire it up
[08:59:44] <Jymmm> LOL, I can do that on the laser much nicer =)
[08:59:51] <_methods> right
[09:00:04] <_methods> if i need a fork divider..........
[09:00:19] <Jymmm> I even have some Coca Cola Green acrylic =)
[09:00:35] <_methods> or a plastic hook to hang some string on.......3d printers got ya covered
[09:01:07] <Jymmm> Eh, the only thing I'd want one for is a lower.
[09:01:11] <_methods> i did make a ring to replace some over engineered german piece of trash
[09:01:21] <_methods> a $500 on off switch
[09:01:25] <_methods> i was like fuck that
[09:01:30] <_methods> i'll go print that shit out
[09:02:13] <_methods> $500 for an on off switch.........
[09:06:16] <shaun413> !
[09:07:38] <archivist> before you do something silly do a cash flow forecast
[09:54:26] <miss0r1> Have anyone in here ever made a table in diptrace, fill it with text and then export it to DXF? I am having an issue when looking at the dxf layout all the letters have small circles all over them. This happens when I choose to export them as vector lines. When I choose not to do so, the text does not appear at all. What can I do to fix this?
[09:57:19] <archivist> erm, stop using DXF ?
[09:58:01] <miss0r1> Any recommendations then
[09:58:48] <archivist> I dont know what you are doing but DXF has never been the best format
[09:59:06] <humble_sea_bass> when you export to DXF, your text is traced
[09:59:33] <humble_sea_bass> also, what archivist said
[09:59:40] <miss0r1> archivist, I am using diptrace to make small signs.
[09:59:59] <_methods> wtf
[10:00:05] <_methods> why would you use that?
[10:00:10] <miss0r1> humble_sea_bass, yeah, I know they are traced, but that does not account for the small circles
[10:00:16] <miss0r1> in lack of a brain?
[10:00:25] <_methods> draftsight is free
[10:00:40] <archivist> and text used to be on a different layer depending on what you were doing
[10:01:29] <archivist> as in the vector lines on a different layer
[10:01:48] <miss0r1> archivist, The text is on the same layer. I am hoping to be able to create a table inwhich I can create more than one sign of the same size at once. Then use the table to nicely center the text and so forth. also, I can set the cutting dept of the table so that the cnc cuts the signs in the same program.
[10:02:03] <humble_sea_bass> miss0r1: DXF exports do weird things. I avoid it and use DWG whenever possible
[10:02:57] <archivist> I once had to write a DXF cleaner to fix line ends so they joined
[10:03:00] <humble_sea_bass> what are you using to generate your gcode
[10:03:16] <miss0r1> dfxtogcode converter.
[10:03:54] <_methods> make your dxf in a dxf native environment
[10:04:56] <humble_sea_bass> anyone ever tried using one of those svg2gcode converters
[10:05:05] <archivist> which version of native DXF :)
[10:06:09] <_methods> heh
[10:06:13] <_methods> now you're getting picky
[10:06:31] <_methods> not diptrace lol
[10:06:39] <archivist> hehe 99.99999% of all the DXF problems probably
[10:06:44] <humble_sea_bass> the only time i've found myself using dxf was after making some poor life decisions
[10:07:08] <Jymmm> lol
[10:07:23] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: that's pretty sad actually
[10:07:32] <archivist> people think DXF is one fixed format/standard
[10:07:57] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, don't make poor choices in life, that's how you get crabs and DXF
[10:08:31] <humble_sea_bass> dammit, I came up with a better one than that
[10:08:39] <humble_sea_bass> "sucking dxfs by the side of the road"
[10:09:49] <_methods> heheh
[10:09:58] <_methods> i use em all the time
[10:10:03] <_methods> it's like iges
[10:10:09] <_methods> pretty much industry standard
[10:10:18] <_methods> if you need to send someone a file
[10:10:23] <_methods> dxf or iges
[10:10:24] <humble_sea_bass> another poor life decisions format that you can't avoid
[10:10:34] <_methods> yeah
[10:10:36] <_methods> agreed
[10:10:42] <_methods> but for compatibility
[10:10:46] <miss0r1> so never use dxf?
[10:10:46] <_methods> it's a necessary evil
[10:10:52] <_methods> i do
[10:10:53] <humble_sea_bass> but to be fair, when I send you an iges i'm p-much telling you to f-off and leave me alone
[10:11:00] <_methods> but i make my dxf's from a solid model
[10:11:45] <WalterN> _methods: did all my ordering, it all comes up to about $750 heh
[10:11:58] <archivist> but etch a sketch v3 wont import that
[10:12:03] <_methods> nice
[10:12:10] <WalterN> and I still need to find a good source for good extruded aluminum T-slot
[10:12:22] <WalterN> s/good//
[10:12:24] <_methods> misumi has been fair to me
[10:12:31] <_methods> for extrusions
[10:12:39] <_methods> cut to length and all for fair
[10:12:45] <WalterN> custom extrusion?
[10:13:18] <WalterN> cause this is what I'm looking for http://www.tslots.com/
[10:13:18] <_methods> no
[10:13:28] <_methods> you want custom extrusions?
[10:13:31] <_methods> you gonna pay for that
[10:13:40] <WalterN> no I dont... heh
[10:13:59] <GuShH_> I want a custom extrusion, with shaun's face.
[10:17:41] <WalterN> _methods: link?
[10:18:20] <WalterN> nvm
[10:18:38] <WalterN> _methods: happen to know what a 12' bar would cost of T-slot aluminum?
[10:18:54] <humble_sea_bass> http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/4417569700.html
[10:19:10] <humble_sea_bass> for once local craigslist pays off
[10:19:44] <WalterN> lol
[10:19:46] <archivist> mint? is it hell
[10:21:01] <archivist> hehe brakes are duff too not brick under the front wheel
[10:21:10] <archivist> not/note
[10:44:58] <ReadError> miss0r, serious?
[10:45:07] <ReadError> why the hell would you use diptrace to make signs
[10:46:41] <GuShH_> archivist: these are the machinist clamps I was talking about the other day: http://i.imgur.com/fbBLiIS.jpg ...thoughts? -- they look solid, they are not branded though. I'm interested in a set of the medium and smaller sized ones (pairs)
[10:47:00] <GuShH_> I can't find stuff like this new if I wanted to, it's all plastic or crappy cast iron they sell at the stores around here
[10:48:08] <_methods> most machinists make them theirselves
[10:48:17] <GuShH_> those were made by a machinist
[10:48:18] <_methods> usually home made
[10:48:21] <GuShH_> sadly he's not around anymore.
[10:48:31] <GuShH_> it would cost me more to make them than to buy them
[10:48:44] <_methods> usually you make them in school
[10:48:52] <GuShH_> that many? don't think so heh
[10:48:54] <_methods> some of the first "jobs" you do
[10:48:55] <_methods> nah
[10:49:09] <_methods> that's a lot
[10:49:12] <GuShH_> I need a couple pairs no more.
[10:49:14] <_methods> but you collect them over the years
[10:49:17] <GuShH_> he has more of them actually
[10:50:11] <GuShH_> not sure if 10 bucks is too much for each of the big ones, I just know I can't possibly make them for any less.
[10:50:45] <_methods> that would be a fair price
[10:51:07] <GuShH_> the amount of time and materials it takes, no thanks.
[10:51:46] <GuShH_> http://i.imgur.com/HtgEOvB.jpg
[10:52:03] <GuShH_> he's got about two drawers full
[10:52:13] <GuShH_> I'm not sure why there are so many
[10:52:44] * GuShH_ can't possibly see a need for more than a few pairs
[10:54:15] <archivist> never seen that many in one place
[10:54:29] <GuShH_> there are more, but you get the idea heh
[10:54:31] <shaun413_> Lots of clamps
[10:54:41] <GuShH_> I can get the whole lot for 100 bucks I think, but for what?
[10:54:44] <archivist> sufficient for your needs
[10:54:45] <GuShH_> reselling? gifts? haha
[10:55:20] <archivist> could sell a few total cost would get close to 0 then :)
[10:55:35] <GuShH_> perhaps
[10:56:00] <GuShH_> but we are a bit different I think, I try not to pile things up
[10:56:01] * GuShH_ hides
[10:56:10] <archivist> when experimenting one can use a lot of clamps
[10:56:18] <GuShH_> Not that many, no!
[10:56:42] <GuShH_> this is one of those cases where you also get some extras thrown in at no cost if you buy the whole lot
[10:56:51] <archivist> eg http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_10_20_Tool_grinder/IMG_1382.JPG
[10:57:21] <GuShH_> guy has a small car (a nissan tiida) not sure he can haul all that stuff in it
[10:57:55] <GuShH_> oh yes I'm having him bring the stuff over, because I'm a lazy bastard.
[10:57:59] <archivist> just compare weight to a large person
[10:58:08] <archivist> sure a car can carry
[10:58:19] <GuShH_> that's not the only thing I'm buying
[10:58:33] <archivist> go fetch you get to see what he forgot to think about
[10:58:52] <GuShH_> oh I like the cute small clamp you've got there with the thumb screws
[10:59:33] <GuShH_> so pretty, what is it M6?
[11:00:37] <archivist> no idea, my smallest clamp is in the right hand side of the box http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_07_27_tinware/IMG_0798.JPG
[11:01:02] <GuShH_> I only had a bunch of chinese C clamps, broke them all
[11:01:11] <GuShH_> they are terrible.
[11:01:26] <archivist> dont abuse clamps
[11:01:35] <GuShH_> I wasn't
[11:01:41] <GuShH_> they had lots of air pockets
[11:01:47] <shaun413_> Chinese
[11:02:17] <GuShH_> and it looked whiteish instead of grey inside, the iron structure.
[11:03:08] <GuShH_> this guy has some C clamps but they are forged not cast.
[11:03:47] <_methods> the pour was too hot if they were white
[11:03:54] <_methods> makes casting brittle
[11:04:13] <GuShH_> _methods: they quenched them too fast I think
[11:04:23] <_methods> possibly
[11:04:33] <GuShH_> for what it's worth, I'm not buying any more of that.
[11:05:09] <GuShH_> archivist: might be hard to find a home for that many clamps, and I might end up not wanting to sell them... I might end up covered in tools if I follow your advice!
[11:05:11] * GuShH_ runs away
[11:06:18] <archivist> just as it is written, thou shalt have tools and cnc machines
[11:07:31] <humble_sea_bass> archivist , you made all those watering cans?
[11:08:04] <shaun413_> Anyone into watchmaking
[11:08:20] <archivist> humble_sea_bass, yes
[11:08:33] <GuShH_> I like the funnel
[11:08:39] <humble_sea_bass> i think they are supre rad
[11:08:49] <archivist> I occasionally make watch parts if asked
[11:08:58] <humble_sea_bass> my mother in law is crazy about bits of folk art like that
[11:08:59] <GuShH_> and the tiny plane is that for luthiers?
[11:09:29] <GuShH_> there are some tiny steel or iron ones that I would love to own
[11:09:32] <archivist> the plane was for a giggle but it has a real stanley blade
[11:09:43] <humble_sea_bass> this is her store
[11:09:45] <humble_sea_bass> http://thesavvyseeker.com/2012/05/29/squash-a-penny-junction-part-i/
[11:14:42] <archivist> shaun413_, beware of the term watchmaker or clockmaker, some only repair and replace standard parts, they dont actually make
[11:14:46] <GuShH_> I like a few automotive or oil signs, old engines... but .... no thanks to the rest.
[11:16:54] <archivist> one of the ultimate watchmakers was George Daniels
[11:19:31] <shaun413_> Ah
[11:19:41] <shaun413_> I want to make
[11:19:53] <GuShH_> make.com
[11:20:02] <GuShH_> make yourself look like an idiot?
[11:20:16] <shaun413_> No
[11:20:22] <shaun413_> Already did that
[11:20:36] <GuShH_> make this http://img.timezone.com/img/articles/news631856760155937500/rwsmith08.jpg
[11:20:58] <shaun413_> Its beautiful
[11:21:20] <archivist> that is proper bluing
[11:22:43] <shaun413_> I'd use cheaper materials...
[11:22:45] <shaun413_> Brass
[11:23:00] <GuShH_> I don't think you would know where to start.
[11:23:07] <shaun413_> Likely
[11:23:10] <GuShH_> and given the amount of work involved you would want the best materials for the task
[11:23:33] <GuShH_> cost is in the labour involved, the materials are 1% probably
[11:23:55] <humble_sea_bass> no way gush, shortsightedness says the opposite
[11:24:05] * GuShH_ blinks
[11:24:21] <archivist> the engraving is rather detailed too
[11:25:04] <GuShH_> http://www.watchonista.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/encapsulated_1000x0/watchographer/2914/albums/george_daniels_masterpiece_5.jpg
[11:25:20] <GuShH_> bah is that lint and dust
[11:25:27] <humble_sea_bass> shawn, build an escapement out of plexy, as big as a small dish just so you can get the hang of it
[11:25:28] <GuShH_> and hairs!
[11:25:29] <archivist> his blue looks better than my exam piece http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Gear_cutting_examples/p1010060.jpg
[11:25:49] <GuShH_> could be the lighting
[11:25:58] <shaun413_> Nicr
[11:26:16] <archivist> yes there is a turd in the middle
[11:27:06] <shaun413_> Hmm
[11:27:46] <archivist> lighting is very difficult with small items
[11:28:25] <Jymmm> archivist: shop lights don't count =)
[11:29:00] <Jymmm> light box does wonders though.
[11:29:26] <shaun413_> !!"""
[11:30:57] <archivist> I did not have a light box many attempts on this escape wheel http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=verge+watch
[11:33:50] <shaun413_> How can I get into watches
[11:33:55] <shaun413_> Or clocka
[11:33:57] <GuShH_> my god shaun....
[11:34:03] <GuShH_> how old are you again?
[11:34:07] <shaun413_> 20!
[11:34:11] <GuShH_> I don't think so!
[11:34:21] <GuShH_> But feel free to get into whatever you want.
[11:34:26] <GuShH_> Just quit changing your mind so much
[11:34:35] <archivist> go to a flea market buy the cheapest crap you can find and take it to bits
[11:35:00] <GuShH_> then hammer the bits flat because you can't put it back together, seek some other impulse activity
[11:35:09] <archivist> let the spring down BEFORE you take it to bits
[11:35:17] <shaun413_> ?
[11:35:19] <GuShH_> hopefully not bird watching, you might end up shooting them out of frustration
[11:36:09] <shaun413_> ..
[11:36:44] <GuShH_> is it a holiday today?
[11:36:51] <GuShH_> some religious day
[11:37:01] <GuShH_> or was it yesterday, hrm. whole week of nonsense?
[11:37:14] <shaun413_> Yeah
[11:38:08] <GuShH_> archivist: looks over exposed
[11:39:11] <archivist> I was never happy with any, ended up using http://gears.archivist.info/P1010320_hires.JPG
[11:39:40] <GuShH_> maybe a microscope would be another way to get close up
[11:39:44] <archivist> cannot retake as the assembled one went off to customer
[11:40:14] <archivist> depth of field on microscopes is often too small
[11:40:16] <GuShH_> so small.. where do you get your patience from?
[11:40:30] <GuShH_> even if they're cnc...
[11:40:44] <archivist> only day or twos work
[11:40:44] <GuShH_> none of this is trivial
[11:55:48] <GuShH_> modest archivist is modest
[11:56:16] <GuShH_> shaun413_: so what exactly did you do for john (or what's his name)
[11:56:20] <GuShH_> maybe you should do some more of that
[11:56:36] <shaun413_> O.o
[11:56:45] <GuShH_> ?
[11:57:06] <shaun413_> O.O
[11:57:18] <GuShH_> You are not communicating.
[11:57:21] <shaun413_> Made a video intro
[11:57:29] <shaun413_> Logo animation
[11:57:37] <GuShH_> So try doing that for other people
[11:57:41] <shaun413_> :/
[11:57:42] <Jymmm> This is stupid, sueing a retailer for one, and then sueing becasue you're a dumbass for pour fuel into/near a hot engine. The "lab test" is bullshit, they cut a hole in the side of the can, then covered it with foil and ignited it. WTF... http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/wal-mart-agrees-contribute-25-million-settle-gas-can-explosion-f2D11714192
[11:57:55] <GuShH_> What is it with you and those emoticons
[11:58:00] <shaun413_> Where do I find them....
[11:58:08] <GuShH_> post an ad
[11:58:24] <GuShH_> see if someone needs the work and offer them
[11:58:26] <shaun413_> :/
[11:58:38] * GuShH_ twitches
[11:59:13] * shaun413_ hugs gushh_
[11:59:55] * archivist throws a bukket of water over the pair
[12:00:15] <shaun413_> Woah
[12:02:36] <shaun413_> Oh no
[12:02:41] <shaun413_> We getting banned
[12:03:18] <GuShH_> shaun413_: I can take it, can you?
[12:03:24] <GuShH_> you might crawl into a ball and die off.
[12:03:33] <shaun413_> I will
[12:03:35] <GuShH_> crawl or curl?
[12:03:44] <GuShH_> well, both.
[12:03:46] <shaun413_> Both
[12:03:48] <shaun413_> Die
[12:15:49] <ReadError> ....
[12:15:54] <ReadError> how are you all not sick of shaun413 yet
[12:16:03] <shaun413> ...
[12:18:13] <Gigs-> a flame arrestor eh
[12:18:24] <Gigs-> as if gas cans aren't lame enough these days
[12:18:39] <Gigs-> with all their carb compliant crap
[12:18:58] <Jymmm> Gigs-: I didn't even want to go there.
[12:19:19] <Jymmm> Gigs-: I hit the flea market for the old-school cans/nozzles.
[12:19:38] <Connor> ReadError: I am. He asks the SAME questions over and over.. and not excepting what he's told..
[12:19:53] <Jymmm> (accepting)
[12:20:02] <Connor> sorry.. yes. accepting.
[12:20:12] <Jymmm> Connor: No apology needed =)
[12:20:26] <ReadError> Connor: funny, I said the exact same thing 2 weeks ago or so
[12:20:29] <ReadError> ;)
[12:20:43] <Jymmm> Just find me replacement 5-7 gal water jugs instead... cheap!
[12:20:44] <ReadError> and was almost banned for saying it
[12:21:08] <Connor> I recommended he get a mill and convert it to CNC and use it as a vertical lathe to make those Hot ends he wanted.. much faster.. and would be easier to do.
[12:21:20] <Connor> converting a lathe would be easy except figuring out the gang tooling..
[12:21:33] <Connor> and mill more versatile..
[12:21:41] <Connor> he argued that he needed a LATHE to make those..
[12:21:48] <Jymmm> ReadError: Nah, it was the tolling (not the ranting) that got you a timeout, never a permban =)
[12:22:02] <Jymmm> trolling/instigating
[12:22:08] <ReadError> Jymmm: but as im sure you have witnessed by now, I was not trolling
[12:22:39] <Jymmm> ReadError: Easy big guy =)
[12:23:10] <Jymmm> ReadError: I know, I know, just step away from the keyboard and nobody will get hurt (toomuch) ;)
[12:23:34] <ReadError> easy, I have work to finish anyways ;p
[12:23:50] <shaun413> :/
[12:23:50] <Connor> What kills me is.. everything he's talking about is MANUAL.. no CNC.. Why is he even in the channel ?
[12:24:03] <Jymmm> ReadError: There ya go, beat he crap out of something, that always seems to help =)
[12:24:34] <Jymmm> Connor: baby steps?
[12:24:43] <Connor> *shrug*
[12:25:23] <Connor> back to work I go..
[12:26:01] <Jymmm> Connor: Yeah, get the fuck ot of here, and bring me a sandwich on your way back (no tomatoes)
[12:26:14] <Connor> Jymmm: Ha.
[12:26:45] <Jymmm> sudo Connor make me a sandwich| no tomatoes
[12:40:09] <shaun413> :///
[12:40:20] <shaun413> why does everyone always hate me...
[12:40:28] * GuShH_ blinks
[12:40:39] <GuShH_> You don't listen to people.
[12:40:43] <shaun413> i do
[12:40:50] <GuShH_> You disregard everything they say!
[12:40:54] <shaun413> you want me to get a huge 1 ton lathe
[12:40:55] <GuShH_> that makes almost anyone angry.
[12:40:58] <shaun413> I cannot do that
[12:41:23] <GuShH_> see, you were not listening.
[12:41:46] <shaun413> ?
[12:42:22] <GuShH_> bleh
[12:43:47] * Loetmichel just moved to the bathtub... Plitsh platsh ;-)
[12:44:10] <GuShH_> haha
[12:44:17] <GuShH_> and we know it's true.... there's evidence.
[12:44:28] <shaun413> ?
[12:46:34] <GuShH_> shaun413: once you get the money in your pocket, we'll talk shop
[12:46:46] <shaun413> :
[12:46:52] <shaun413> i like to know what im saving for
[12:46:58] <shaun413> how much money do I need
[12:47:02] <GuShH_> hopefully you won't go to texas to buy the stuff, you might get shot.
[12:47:15] <ReadError> get a job or a hustle
[12:47:30] * GuShH_ wonders why this m6 thread is binding
[12:47:53] <ReadError> speakin of which
[12:48:02] <ReadError> I need a good set of metric tap/dies
[12:48:20] <ReadError> not some crappy horriblefreight kit
[12:48:22] <_methods> i take dead ones from work
[12:48:28] <GuShH_> I can't find good stuff here... only used, I wonder how bad used taps might be
[12:48:46] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:48:49] <_methods> our bad taps are better than new taps you get from normal stores lol
[12:48:52] <_methods> osg hypro baby
[12:48:55] <GuShH_> this magic guy has some, still in box, new old stock... so I might look into that
[12:49:12] <ReadError> not sure I would buy used tooling
[12:49:22] <_methods> i just grab dead taps
[12:49:31] <_methods> oh
[12:49:35] <_methods> ignore me
[12:49:44] <GuShH_> if the cutting edges are fine, why not
[12:49:55] <ReadError> GuShH_, well I would buy them online
[12:49:59] <GuShH_> if they're still in their box, chances are they're new or well taken care of
[12:49:59] <_methods> yeah we'll pull them before they get oo worn
[12:50:01] <ReadError> have no way of telling
[12:50:04] <GuShH_> oh I mean in person
[12:50:06] <_methods> that way they don't break in a part
[12:50:19] <GuShH_> which could cost more heh
[12:50:29] <shaun413> ive got some taps
[12:50:37] <IchGuckLive> _methods: android ?
[12:50:41] * GuShH_ lets out a small cry
[12:50:42] <_methods> android?
[12:50:50] <IchGuckLive> programmer
[12:51:00] * GuShH_ might be
[12:51:04] <_methods> not sure what you mean
[12:51:07] <GuShH_> shaun413: problem with cheap taps is, they suck.
[12:51:14] <shaun413> not cheap
[12:51:14] <_methods> i don't program androids
[12:51:16] <shaun413> from the 50s
[12:51:34] <GuShH_> and old, dull, suck just as well. most machinists don't keep dull taps
[12:51:39] <shaun413> not used
[12:51:50] <GuShH_> yeah because you are all day long talking crap instead of making things!
[12:51:51] <_methods> these are not the droids you're looking for
[12:51:59] <GuShH_> IchGuckLive: what do you need for android?
[12:52:06] <shaun413> what would I need a tap for?
[12:52:09] <shaun413> without a lathe
[12:52:15] <GuShH_> the hell.
[12:52:49] <GuShH_> depends on the taps, but you can use most by hand, or on a threading machine, drill press on a pinch (with a threading head ideally)
[12:53:07] <shaun413> ill try it
[12:53:09] <GuShH_> milling machine of course...
[12:53:11] <shaun413> on some m8 steel
[12:53:22] <GuShH_> you need to drill the pilot hole first
[12:53:27] <shaun413> ;/
[12:53:32] <GuShH_> based on the thread pitch and clearance you want.
[12:53:36] <GuShH_> ie. the thread engagement
[12:53:36] <_methods> don't give him all the secrets
[12:53:42] * GuShH_ blinks
[12:53:48] * shaun413 winks
[12:53:52] <GuShH_> I believe this information is printed on the back of your cheap digital caliper
[12:54:22] <shaun413> no
[12:54:26] <shaun413> too cheap for info
[12:54:50] <GuShH_> ok get a chart online then
[12:55:33] <GuShH_> but if you don't need threaded holes, don't fool around... and if you do, use cutting fluid.
[12:55:46] <shaun413> ?
[12:55:59] <GuShH_> fuck sake. tap get dull, dull tap no work, no work no joy
[12:56:07] <shaun413> i have dies too!
[12:56:30] <GuShH_> good. you need rod of the specific diameter for your thread.
[12:56:34] <Loetmichel> GuShH_: a tap can be resharpened
[12:56:43] <Loetmichel> if you know what you doo ;-)
[12:56:46] <Loetmichel> -o
[12:57:49] <GuShH_> probably rectified, not something you can do without the right tools. it's not a chainsaw chain. you could maybe touch the edges by hand, but it's a very hard material... what would you use?
[12:57:53] <GuShH_> typically stones would be used
[12:58:41] <GuShH_> unless it's a harbor freight tap... probably made out of rebar, use your butter knife to dress the edge.
[12:58:45] <GuShH_> edges*
[12:58:54] <GuShH_> no, fuck you GuShH_is_shaun41.
[12:59:13] <GuShH_> you asshole.
[12:59:42] <GuShH_> I'ma kick your ass.
[13:00:10] <shaun413_is_gush> derp
[13:00:13] <shaun413> who is thos
[13:00:24] <GuShH_> bye, sick of this nonsense shit.
[13:00:31] <shaun413_is_gush> plz
[13:00:39] <GuShH_> sit on it.
[13:01:09] <shaun413_is_gush> derp
[13:01:21] <shaun413_is_gush> i want to get a lathe........
[13:01:31] <shaun413_is_gush> can someone hlep me pick one out
[13:01:57] <shaun413_is_gush> hi
[13:02:19] <GuShH_> I own a lathe you dumbwit
[13:02:22] <Loetmichel> GuShH_: i use any tap below M8 in the battery drill
[13:02:43] <shaun413_is_gush> pics or it didn't happen
[13:03:02] <GuShH_> shaun413_is_gush: seriously, go sit on it and milk yourself dry.
[13:03:16] <shaun413_is_gush> no pics i guess..........
[13:04:18] <GuShH_> Loetmichel: taper taps?
[13:04:33] <GuShH_> seems almost everyone here sells plug taps and nothing else.
[13:04:41] <GuShH_> good luck finding a bottoming M6 for instance
[13:05:10] <GuShH_> shaun413_is_gush: you need help buddy, I suggest you seek help.
[13:05:17] <GuShH_> whoever you are.
[13:05:27] <shaun413_is_gush> i'm batman
[13:05:27] <archivist> different hostmask
[13:05:38] <GuShH_> because he's using a web client
[13:05:45] <GuShH_> with a proxy
[13:05:54] <shaun413_is_gush> behind at least 9 proxies
[13:06:05] -!- shaun413_is_gush was kicked from #linuxcnc by Jymmm!~jymmm@unaffiliated/jymmm [shaun413_is_gush]
[13:06:25] * GuShH_ shakes Jymmm's hand
[13:06:30] <bedah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lBULEOoZnc my minimill is running :)
[13:06:42] <_methods> nice
[13:06:51] <_methods> congrats man
[13:06:57] <bedah> thank you :)
[13:07:06] <Deejay> hi bedah
[13:07:07] * GuShH_ hands bedah a beer
[13:07:16] <bedah> hi deejay ;D
[13:07:42] <_methods> how much do those proxons cost?
[13:07:51] <bedah> ~250€
[13:07:56] <bedah> .. i guess
[13:08:02] <zeeshan> Jymmm: thank you for banning shaun413!
[13:08:03] <GuShH_> cheap
[13:08:03] <_methods> bout the same as the sieg x2
[13:08:04] <zeeshan> :{
[13:08:09] <shaun413> ...
[13:08:20] <GuShH_> zeeshan: sadly... no.
[13:08:32] <zeeshan> DAMN IT
[13:09:01] <shaun413> . . .
[13:09:01] <archivist> the one left better behave
[13:09:15] <GuShH_> how did I manage to cross-thread by hand tightening...
[13:09:24] <shaun413> you are a hulk
[13:09:36] <GuShH_> it's 6063
[13:10:01] <shaun413> welll...
[13:10:07] <GuShH_> bedah: I want to see it cut!
[13:10:35] <shaun413> !
[13:10:38] <shaun413> me too
[13:10:53] <Jymmm> shaun413: Next time, it will be a ban without warning.
[13:10:56] <archivist> shaun413, random statements is not behaving
[13:10:57] <GuShH_> You know I would smack you quite hard in real life, shaun413.
[13:11:11] <shaun413> Jymmm, why???
[13:11:16] <zeeshan> Jymmm: i vote perm ban
[13:11:21] <zeeshan> for trolling for the last 2 weeks
[13:11:23] <zeeshan> :D
[13:11:29] <Jymmm> GuShH_: You are pushing it.
[13:11:38] <GuShH_> Jymmm: Am not.
[13:11:51] <GuShH_> Not responsible for the actions of any individual.
[13:12:11] <_methods> *claps*
[13:12:47] <zeeshan> bedah: i just saw the video of your mini mill!
[13:12:49] <zeeshan> looks bad ass.
[13:12:59] <zeeshan> i like that baby chuck haha
[13:13:07] <_methods> is it er11 collet?
[13:13:13] <Jymmm> I am tired of the babysitting, you guys are not 4yo's, dont act like it. No more instigating/troling/commenting/etc just STFU if you can't be civil, or leave, it's that simple
[13:13:37] <zeeshan> Jymmm: i noticed when shaun came in the channel shifted its smart equilbrium to dumb
[13:13:45] <zeeshan> cause we fell for his trollness
[13:14:06] <zeeshan> _methods: looks like a standard chuck to me
[13:14:10] <zeeshan> meant for very small drill bits
[13:19:54] <zeeshan> does anyone know if those bk20 blocks to hold ball screws are hardened
[13:20:15] <zeeshan> a file seems to cut it fairly easily..
[13:20:20] <_methods> then it's not hardened
[13:20:56] <Gigs-> bearing blocks shouldn't be hardened really
[13:21:10] <Gigs-> just make them more likely to crack
[13:21:26] <zeeshan> _methods: just making sure
[13:21:27] <zeeshan> :P
[13:21:33] <zeeshan> i don't wanna ruin an endmill on it
[13:21:41] <zeeshan> i gotta remove 100 thou
[13:21:49] <_methods> if you can take material off with a file easily you should be fine
[13:22:06] <_methods> i used to have a set of those hardness files but someone stole mine
[13:22:21] <zeeshan> _methods: thats the thing
[13:22:24] <_methods> make it easy to quickly test
[13:22:26] <zeeshan> i don't know what hardness my file is at
[13:22:26] <zeeshan> haha
[13:22:30] <_methods> yeah
[13:22:41] <Gigs-> your file is at least 70-80rc I would guess
[13:22:58] <zeeshan> i wish i had a rockwell tester at this moment
[13:22:58] <zeeshan> !
[13:23:08] <_methods> well those files are a cheap alternative
[13:23:15] <_methods> if you just need a rough estimate
[13:23:24] <Einar> Center punch = poor man's hardness tester.
[13:23:40] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Flexbar-Hardness-Testing-File-Set/dp/B001CTI7TE
[13:23:57] <_methods> still kinda pissed about mine walkin away
[13:24:33] <_methods> i'm sure you can find them cheaper somewhere
[13:24:51] <_methods> https://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Piece-Hardness-Tester-File-Set/T10277
[13:24:54] <_methods> $40
[13:25:06] <_methods> hmmmm i might have to replace mine lol
[13:25:29] <archivist> ruined the minute you test a diamond
[13:26:48] <humble_sea_bass> hold on , let me test all this ice that's just chilling on my desk
[13:27:30] <_methods> hah
[13:27:34] <_methods> i can't afford those
[13:28:28] <zeeshan> 90$
[13:28:31] <zeeshan> damn thats expensive
[13:28:40] <_methods> cheaper than a hardness tester lol
[13:28:49] <_methods> and $90 is cheap for tools
[13:29:01] <zeeshan> ive been buying stuff used too much
[13:29:05] <zeeshan> for 90$ you can get a lot of stuff :P
[13:29:14] <humble_sea_bass> take the item to harbor freight and say "may i see these hardness testing files"
[13:29:15] <_methods> the grizzly ones were $40
[13:29:24] <humble_sea_bass> it will cost some gass
[13:29:53] <zeeshan> check out how i machined this bore yesterday
[13:29:53] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.imgur.com/all/
[13:29:55] <zeeshan> er
[13:29:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WBgJy8V.jpg
[13:30:05] <zeeshan> notice anything funky?
[13:30:06] <zeeshan> haha
[13:31:10] <_methods> what?
[13:31:17] <zeeshan> the hex head bolts
[13:31:26] <Gigs-> those are usually inset set screws
[13:31:30] <zeeshan> tehy're so off balance
[13:31:41] <zeeshan> that i actually found out all the modes of vibration for my mill
[13:31:41] <zeeshan> haha
[13:31:44] <Gigs-> what happened to your set screws
[13:31:49] <zeeshan> i stripped them :{
[13:31:52] <Gigs-> oh
[13:31:54] <zeeshan> well i was about to
[13:32:00] <zeeshan> so i removed em before i could
[13:32:01] <Gigs-> well at least you know your boring head is real tough
[13:32:08] <_methods> oh lol on the boring head
[13:32:14] <_methods> i'm lookin at the damn part
[13:32:18] <zeeshan> haha
[13:32:28] <_methods> what kind of boring head is that?
[13:32:36] <_methods> not a criterion is it
[13:32:45] <zeeshan> its a criterion copy
[13:32:47] <archivist> old fashioned type
[13:33:05] <zeeshan> the only thing wrong with it was in the slit for the gib tensioning
[13:33:20] <zeeshan> there were metal chips in it, so i had to them out with a hardened pin
[13:33:24] <zeeshan> after that, it worked fine
[13:33:31] <_methods> hah
[13:33:32] <_methods> nice
[13:33:37] <_methods> wtf kinda vise is that
[13:33:42] <zeeshan> no idea
[13:33:49] <_methods> jeebus
[13:33:50] <zeeshan> came with the mill
[13:33:52] <Gigs-> your bolts reminds me of when my dad needed to cut a 12 inch disk out of 1/2 inch aluminum plate, and we didn't have a rotary table at the time
[13:33:56] <_methods> and the mayflower lol
[13:33:58] <Gigs-> he made a very scary fly cutter
[13:34:13] <zeeshan> Gigs-: hahaha
[13:34:22] <zeeshan> if you take light cuts, you can do it
[13:34:26] <zeeshan> safely
[13:34:38] <archivist> I have one of those chinese boring heads too
[13:34:52] <zeeshan> archivist: howd yours work out?
[13:34:59] <archivist> ok
[13:35:11] <Gigs-> zeeshan: we got it cut but it did chatter like crazy
[13:35:28] <zeeshan> Gigs-: yea prolly cause the cutting tip was flexing
[13:35:30] <zeeshan> or the work piece
[13:35:37] <Gigs-> or the whole fly assemblyh
[13:35:40] <archivist> or all of the above
[13:35:42] <zeeshan> haha that's scary
[13:36:11] <zeeshan> im hoping to have the Z axis done today
[13:36:13] <zeeshan> for the lathe
[13:36:18] <zeeshan> and the rest of the garage cleaned
[13:36:53] <Jymmm> MOTHER FUCKER!!! Did you know that every time you add a SAE extension, you are reversing the polarity?!
[13:37:18] <zeeshan> what!
[13:37:22] <_methods> sae extension?
[13:37:30] <Jymmm> I suspected as much, but I was "Nah, that couldn't be right"
[13:37:41] <Jymmm> Yeah, the kind used on trailer lights
[13:37:47] <_methods> hrmm
[13:37:49] <zeeshan> any of you guys have experience with steppers in the sense that, if say i crash a tool with a direct drive ball screw stepper setup
[13:37:58] <zeeshan> will the stepper just start skipping steps? and not moving?
[13:38:08] <_methods> it shouldn't
[13:38:15] <zeeshan> or should i design a shear pin
[13:38:19] <zeeshan> to ensure the shear pin shears
[13:38:34] <humble_sea_bass> i would do a shear pin
[13:38:44] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: depends on the torque of your steppers
[13:38:50] <humble_sea_bass> but i'm a sentimental dude
[13:38:55] <zeeshan> theyre those 1280oz-in ones
[13:39:12] <Loetmichel> on my machines the steppers stall before anything breaks (including tumbs beween the sled and the endstop ;-)
[13:39:22] <zeeshan> haha
[13:39:22] <Loetmichel> .. you just get a black nail ;-)
[13:39:42] <_methods> hehe
[13:40:38] <zeeshan> it shouldnt be too hard to drill a hole through the end of the ball screw
[13:40:41] <zeeshan> to add a shear pin
[13:40:53] <zeeshan> but i really feel like the stepper should slip
[13:41:32] <archivist> depends, you could test
[13:41:54] <archivist> I know mine loses steps
[13:42:04] <zeeshan> in theory, i need to check if the lead screw yields if i provide 1280oz-in of torque
[13:42:05] <zeeshan> and if it doesnt
[13:42:14] <zeeshan> then really, the stepper will slip and not hurt anything in the driveline
[13:42:22] <zeeshan> itll destroy whatever it crashed in
[13:42:26] <zeeshan> but not kill the driveline..
[13:42:59] <zeeshan> agree? :P
[13:44:13] <archivist> also depends how soft the ball screw is, will the balls leave dents
[13:44:51] <zeeshan> its a 25mm x 5 ball screw
[13:45:11] <zeeshan> chinese ;p
[13:49:04] <Jymmm> Everything you wanted to know about ballscrews/nuts... http://www.thomsonlinear.com/downloads/screws/Thomson_BSA_Lead_and_Ball_Screws_cten.pdf
[13:49:25] <zeeshan> 1200oz-in = 6.25lb-ft of torque...
[13:50:32] <zeeshan> T = f*d , distance = 25 mm = 0.082021ft F = T/d = 6.25/0.082021 = 76.2lb
[13:50:41] <zeeshan> hmm 76.2lb force isn't a whole lot
[13:50:42] <humble_sea_bass> an afterschool special your teens dont want to miss
[13:51:02] <_methods> hehe
[13:51:46] <Loetmichel> can someone convert gthat to Nm?
[13:51:55] <zeeshan> sure
[13:52:20] * Loetmichel drys his keyboard... maybe i should dry my hands when typing in the bathtub ;-)
[13:52:57] <Loetmichel> in short: i used 3Nm steppers on a machine that had 16*4mm ballscrews
[13:52:58] <zeeshan> 8.5 N*m
[13:53:07] <Loetmichel> 2:1 geared down
[13:53:21] <Loetmichel> they have not enough toque to do any harm to the ballscrew
[13:53:26] <zeeshan> yea
[13:53:37] <zeeshan> it's not much force
[13:53:38] <zeeshan> at all
[13:53:52] <zeeshan> id need to calculate the hertzian contact stresses
[13:54:05] <zeeshan> but ive already done some calculations in the past for school for ball bearings
[13:54:11] <Loetmichel> or you could just test it
[13:54:22] <zeeshan> and i know it takes a lot of force to leave indentations in the surface
[13:54:33] <zeeshan> test means it can fail :P
[13:56:56] <archivist> the rotating inertia when it hits the endstop adds a "little" force
[13:57:26] <zeeshan> even if we say that its 150lb
[13:57:29] <zeeshan> it stil wont yield
[14:03:59] <Loetmichel> archivist: thats why one uses a 3mm thick o-ring at the end stop
[14:04:07] <Loetmichel> to damoen the impact ;-)
[14:04:10] <Loetmichel> dampen
[14:04:28] <Gigs-> 6.6 foot pounds isn't much zeeshan
[14:04:36] <Gigs-> you are probably worrying about nothing
[14:05:43] <archivist> a high percentage of stepper driven machines used the bang against the end stop to home after reset
[14:05:55] <Gigs-> heh like when you made a C64 disk drive mad
[14:06:05] <Gigs-> it would bang it's head against the wall in frustration
[14:06:39] <Loetmichel> Gigs-: i had a adjusting program for the 1541 that did exactly thaqt
[14:06:55] <Gigs-> it would do the same thing if you opened the door while it was reading IIRC
[14:06:57] <Loetmichel> banging the head 50 times on the endstop, reading a tarack
[14:07:08] <Gigs-> or if a disk was somewhat unreadable
[14:07:20] <Loetmichel> baning again... better-> another round wqorse: opposite endstop
[14:07:35] <Loetmichel> so long ntil it doesent get better
[14:07:54] <Gigs-> considering the 1541 had the same CPU power as the main computer, you'd think they could have made that thing a little better
[14:08:07] <Gigs-> it was always kind of the crappy part of the c64
[14:09:26] <Loetmichel> s/ was/is
[14:09:45] <Loetmichel> i still have three "breadboxes" and 2 1541 in the cellar
[14:10:22] <Gigs-> I have several too, but I don't know which 64s have decent keyboards and which don't
[14:10:35] <Gigs-> the keyboard on them seems to be the first thing to wear out often
[14:13:22] <_methods> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[14:13:45] <humble_sea_bass> IT IS HAPPENING
[14:13:53] <_methods> we'll see
[14:13:58] <_methods> hope the booster makes it back
[14:14:16] <_methods> t-29
[14:14:52] <zeeshan> Optical Payload for Lasercomm Science (OPALS) will demonstrate high-bandwidth space to ground laser communications.[21][22]
[14:14:54] <zeeshan> sounds like an weapon
[14:14:55] <zeeshan> :P
[14:15:13] <Gigs-> lazers
[14:15:25] <_methods> sharks goin up on the next one
[14:15:37] <Gigs-> if simcity as taught us anything, it's fine until we start beaming energy in from space, then bad stuff will happen
[14:21:47] <_methods> http://petemills.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2014-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&updated-max=2015-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=2
[14:22:38] <Gigs-> I was a little disappointed they went toward vertical takeoff resuable rocket... seems like we already proved that idea sucks
[14:23:20] <shaun413> hi
[14:24:26] <humble_sea_bass> I dunno Gigs- maybe these magic wings/legs on the rocket will wow us
[14:26:16] <_methods> at least someone is sending stuff up
[14:26:27] <Gigs-> yeah
[14:26:35] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, and trying something newish
[14:26:42] <_methods> ^^
[14:27:26] <Gigs-> heh that control room reminds me of the old cuecat commercial
[14:27:40] <Gigs-> I went looking for that the other day and couldn't find it ... lost to internet history
[14:28:01] <humble_sea_bass> can you still find cuecats
[14:28:14] <Gigs-> yeah people sell them on ebay and stuff, apparently there were even a few USB ones around
[14:30:11] <Gigs-> speaking of something somewhat related, I pulled a laser unit out of a laser printer yesterday, I want to make a part height measuring assembly out of that... it already scans the laser so I'll probably just change it to a red laser
[14:31:35] <humble_sea_bass> Gigs-: i was looking into that, does it just do time of travel?
[14:31:53] <Gigs-> I'm going to put a linear photoarray type thing behind it and measure the shadow
[14:32:01] <humble_sea_bass> "I hope jeb is ready"
[14:32:01] <shaun413> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ for anyone interested
[14:32:05] <shaun413> about 10 minutes
[14:32:10] <Gigs-> probably just use bar graph LEDs, LEDs can be used as photodetectors
[14:32:23] <Gigs-> they aren't as good at it but they work
[14:32:32] <humble_sea_bass> measure the shadow?
[14:32:55] <Gigs-> well yeah just see how many photodetectors it shadows
[14:33:34] <Gigs-> you could do it with a uniform light instead but you get more reflection and stuff, a laser is more "all or nothing"
[14:34:32] <Gigs-> they do make commercial linear arrays that are basically 1 pixel wide camera elements
[14:34:41] <Gigs-> if you used something like that you could be very precise
[14:35:38] <Gigs-> maybe putting 36,518 people in the same chat channel wasn't the best plan
[14:35:43] <humble_sea_bass> ah
[14:35:44] <_methods> right
[14:36:01] <XXCoder> heys
[14:36:11] <_methods> did they close the chat lol
[14:36:14] <humble_sea_bass> so depending on distance, the laser bounces back to a different photodetector
[14:36:24] <Gigs-> no it's not distance, it's measuring the height
[14:36:29] <humble_sea_bass> yeah the chat had a freakout
[14:36:34] <_methods> i popped out the video so i can't see the chat anymore lol
[14:36:45] <Gigs-> my chat is still rolling, but I'm on 50mbit here so maybe that matters?
[14:36:59] <_methods> i think when i popped out the video it killed it
[14:37:00] <Gigs-> it is going crazy though
[14:37:10] <humble_sea_bass> oh wait I can make it comeback
[14:37:13] <humble_sea_bass> not that i want to
[14:37:25] <Gigs-> yeah the trolls finally showed up
[14:37:36] <Gigs-> it's weird that the first 25,000 people had nearly no trolls
[14:38:46] <_methods> freakin awesome
[14:39:25] <shaun413> 4 MINS GUYS
[14:39:29] <Gigs-> I've always wondered if there's some great shape for a rocket that doesn't look like a penis, but we have just ignored it all this time :P
[14:39:35] <_methods> hahah
[14:39:36] <_methods> right
[14:39:42] <Gigs-> put together an all women team of engineers stat
[14:39:43] <humble_sea_bass> 43.5K chat ppl
[14:39:52] <_methods> vagina rocket
[14:40:51] <_methods> it talks itself all the way into space
[14:41:26] <Gigs-> it takes 4 times longer in the maintenance bay for unknown reasons
[14:41:41] <jdh> and someone else buys it dinnrr and drinks.
[14:41:42] <_methods> hehe
[14:42:08] <_methods> heheh never ending jokes on this one
[14:42:46] <_methods> they only give it a 30-40% chance of success
[14:42:52] <shaun413> here we go
[14:42:54] <shaun413> 10 secs
[14:42:55] <_methods> the booster recovry
[14:42:58] <Gigs-> you have to give them credit for designing a web site that isn't crying over 50,000 streams
[14:43:11] <humble_sea_bass> 55k
[14:43:39] <_methods> absolutely amazing every time you see that
[14:43:42] <humble_sea_bass> holy fuck clouds
[14:43:56] <Gigs-> I think it's raining too?
[14:43:57] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121284519009 what are they smoking? $22k
[14:44:34] <XXCoder> its cheap
[14:44:43] <XXCoder> for fucking richass person
[14:44:52] <humble_sea_bass> isn'ta new bridgeport with cnc 18k?
[14:44:53] <CaptHindsight_> is that the platinum model?
[14:46:04] <_methods> awesome
[14:47:17] <Gigs-> line editor keeps cutting to that internal shot, he should overlay a picture of a ghost girl in there
[14:47:24] <Gigs-> 60k people freaked out
[14:47:26] <_methods> hehe
[14:47:30] <CaptHindsight_> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271456197388 still up
[14:47:43] <_methods> old greg
[14:48:07] <Gigs-> for parts eh, that's a lot of parts
[14:48:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:48:28] <_methods> i don't care about the capsule
[14:48:36] <_methods> wtf happened with the booster
[14:48:39] <XXCoder> "This machine was working but a board went out on the door and we can not find someone here in Phx to fix it."
[14:49:44] <Gigs-> $3000 is about what it would cost to have it moved
[14:49:58] <XXCoder> well plus whatever it cost to fix
[14:50:00] <CaptHindsight_> the power cord became unplugged and we're not sure what to do
[14:50:09] <XXCoder> might be still be cheaper than new
[14:50:20] <Gigs-> isn't that at least 100k new?
[14:50:26] <_methods> over that
[14:50:30] <_methods> with pallet changer
[14:50:38] <_methods> i would think 200k
[14:51:06] <_methods> 200k+
[14:51:09] <Gigs-> they do go cheap, here's a government auction that closed at $5600 for a "working when removed from service" one
[14:51:11] <CaptHindsight_> yup
[14:51:14] <Gigs-> crazy stuff
[14:51:31] <XXCoder> problem with those is that its fucking big
[14:51:39] <XXCoder> aka won't fit in apartment lol
[14:51:41] <Gigs-> yeah you probably need 3ph 480 to run it too right?
[14:52:43] <CaptHindsight_> I have plenty of room, but not time
[14:53:30] <CaptHindsight_> looks like it's near the door
[14:55:49] <Gigs-> speaking of "was once expensive", yesterday I took home the power supply out of our old origin 2000
[14:56:15] <Gigs-> what a beast, 350 amps at 3.45 volts, like 90 amps on 12 and 50 on 5v or something
[14:57:44] <_methods> bah
[14:57:51] <_methods> no first stage recovery info
[14:58:37] <humble_sea_bass> _methods: the worst part is they said "we have great video of the 1st stage"
[14:58:40] <humble_sea_bass> and then nothing
[14:58:44] <_methods> man
[14:58:49] <Gigs-> probably PR
[14:59:04] <_methods> that was the main reason i was watching.......
[14:59:05] <Gigs-> they don't want to look bad with 50,000 people watching
[14:59:19] <humble_sea_bass> they lowered expectations already
[14:59:54] <_methods> well i hope it was successful
[15:00:50] <shaun413> beautifull launch
[15:34:36] <witnit> my max bid is $80 which probably wont cut it, if anyone wants this more than me its all yours http://www.ebay.com/itm/KITAMURA-MINI-SUPER-300-CNC-OPERATOR-CONTROL-PANEL-400-x-200mm/371043366495?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.
[15:34:36] <witnit> SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3D6298207664437848958%26pid%3D100085%26prg%3D20140211132617%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D371043366495%26clkid%3D6298208528293689172&_qi=RTM1562569
[15:39:59] <_methods> heheh super link
[15:40:03] <_methods> bit.ly
[15:40:42] <XXCoder> most of url wasnt even nesscary\
[15:41:34] <shaun413> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4423204387.html
[15:41:40] <shaun413> phewie, is this a good deal?
[16:04:04] <witnit> Lathe runs on 220v 3 phase power so you either need 3 phase power or a phase converter to run it
[16:05:32] <witnit> good information to know
[16:25:25] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:17] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuS3G7YKrj4
[16:36:22] <_methods> what could go wrong with that lol
[16:36:39] <humble_sea_bass> oh wow that is gaudy
[16:37:01] <_methods> hahah so m any rivets lol
[16:37:13] <humble_sea_bass> 1300 hand rivets
[16:37:31] <_methods> he musta been banging rosy the riveter
[16:37:47] <humble_sea_bass> probably a furry too
[16:39:19] <_methods> hahah
[16:39:34] <XXCoder> steampunk style
[16:40:18] <XXCoder> at one point way he holds its his penis :P
[16:49:23] <witnit> I picked this up today http://tinypic.com/r/1t7l1z/8
[16:49:39] <witnit> Nothing much but it will add to a machine well
[16:50:57] <XXCoder> cool
[16:51:28] <witnit> the rpm works 0.0 rpm
[16:51:59] <witnit> the counter goes up or down as well so i could use it on a turret maybe
[16:51:59] <Connor> witnit: Thought you where getting this one.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/371043366495
[16:52:03] <XXCoder> wow thats fast lol 0 tpm
[16:52:05] <XXCoder> rpm
[16:52:16] <witnit> I got this one at a warehouse today
[16:52:25] <witnit> then went online and bid on that one
[16:52:31] <witnit> for a different machine I am doing
[16:53:53] <witnit> I meant for you to take notice of the decimal place not the zeros :P
[16:54:10] <witnit> it reads down to .1 rpm
[16:54:34] <witnit> probably less if I messed with the ratios it has some nultiplyers and such
[16:54:40] <witnit> multiplyers*
[16:54:52] <witnit> I still think I spelled that wrong
[17:08:33] <Einar> I want one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3fmFTtP9g
[17:09:59] <kengu> google product
[17:18:13] <Einar> Self propelling easter egg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3FWb-vQQ4&list=UUmCZ-oLEnCgmBs_TMql9afw
[17:25:22] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvVHqfWN0dA
[17:26:51] <humble_sea_bass> top that boston dynamics
[17:28:56] <_methods> i don't care who you are that's funny
[17:29:20] <XXCoder> Einar: cool but useless to me. if I had it, I'd sell it for good cash though lol
[17:29:43] <XXCoder> lol penis one. flying fuck
[17:29:44] <XXCoder> old
[17:31:15] <_methods> you know you're a legendary dick when people fly dick drones at you
[17:31:28] <XXCoder> humble_sea_bass: and yes theres real flying fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoqE_zKxQe8
[17:31:56] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, but the one I linked has 100% more Kasparov chess master
[17:32:11] <XXCoder> indeed heh
[17:32:26] <XXCoder> I bet it was fairly hard to make penis and still balance it for flying
[17:33:13] <XXCoder> https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10153192_461853197279890_502161214577804866_n.jpg
[18:14:34] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1UhqT5iOXk
[18:14:46] <XXCoder> fixes for shitty drmed printer
[18:38:35] <humble_sea_bass> this guys voice makes me want to die
[18:38:52] <XXCoder> his handheld camera makes me want to die
[18:39:18] <XXCoder> move the object, not the camera
[18:39:45] <humble_sea_bass> i assue you his voice is worse, even though his camera work is the worst
[18:39:57] <XXCoder> thankfully not my problem lol
[19:04:08] <shaun413> what is a steadyrest used for?
[19:05:24] <zeeshan> no idea
[19:05:37] <zeeshan> for wall mounting
[19:06:33] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/SGc4aVR.jpg
[19:06:39] <zeeshan> trying to mount the z-axis ball screw
[19:07:38] <_methods> oye that looks like fun
[19:07:49] <zeeshan> i need a different clamp
[19:07:52] <zeeshan> so i can hold it in place
[19:08:00] <zeeshan> and tap it while watching the dial indicator
[19:08:11] <_methods> heheh tryin to indicate on threads.......pita
[19:08:23] <_methods> hair puller
[19:08:44] <zeeshan> the c-clamp doesnt allow too much movement =/
[19:08:47] <zeeshan> yea its annoying!
[19:09:14] <zeeshan> i can always indicate the actual ball nut
[19:09:20] <zeeshan> cause the od of it is ground
[19:09:42] <_methods> i recommend having a puppy nearby
[19:09:49] <_methods> kick when needed
[19:12:33] <_methods> i know this sounds cruel but it works
[19:12:43] <zeeshan> lol
[19:13:40] <_methods> kittens work too
[19:14:02] <_methods> i'm saving a baby for a real serious problem
[19:14:53] <_methods> but on a serious not it would probably be easier to hit the ball nut
[19:19:20] <humble_sea_bass> it is soothing
[19:19:50] <humble_sea_bass> you might fuck yourself and your project but sometimes you just need to wail on things whith a hammer
[19:20:11] <_methods> heheh
[19:31:11] <PetefromTn_> I am the very model of a modern Major-General
[19:31:40] <PetefromTn_> I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral
[19:31:58] <PetefromTn_> I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
[19:32:18] <PetefromTn_> From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;
[19:32:31] <PetefromTn_> feel free to sing along ;)
[19:32:57] <PetefromTn_> I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
[19:33:12] <moorbo> wolfram alpha just quoted me that
[19:33:14] <PetefromTn_> I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical
[19:33:21] <moorbo> in their math details section.
[19:33:31] <PetefromTn_> About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news
[19:34:10] <PetefromTn_> moorbo sweet!
[19:34:19] <moorbo> PetefromTn_: I was quite surpried
[19:34:28] <moorbo> i thought I was reading about quadratics
[19:34:32] <PetefromTn_> With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
[19:34:36] <moorbo> not pirtes of penzanxe quotes
[19:34:50] <moorbo> pirates*
[19:34:51] <PetefromTn_> Love that play...
[19:34:57] <moorbo> it is an excellent one
[19:35:01] <moorbo> i'd love to see it live
[19:35:05] <moorbo> same as Evil dead
[19:35:09] <PetefromTn_> kevin Kline was funny in it.
[19:35:32] <PetefromTn_> He was hilarious in a Fish called Wanda.
[19:36:00] <moorbo> you a machinist?
[19:36:12] <PetefromTn_> No but I play one on TV..
[19:36:17] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[19:36:37] <PetefromTn_> Let's put it this way.... I MACHINE things.
[19:36:45] <moorbo> right on
[19:36:49] <PetefromTn_> Sometimes they come out the way I want them to.....sometimes not.
[19:37:11] <moorbo> I'm looking to get into the scene
[19:37:13] <moorbo> since idling here.
[19:37:25] <moorbo> since = hence
[19:37:26] <PetefromTn_> a MACHINIST is a skilled professional with vast knowledge of speeds and feeds and everything accuracy reltated.
[19:37:37] <moorbo> PetefromTn_: I'm a tradesmen
[19:37:38] <moorbo> I realize
[19:37:43] <moorbo> I don't need explainations.
[19:37:48] <PetefromTn_> I work in a machine shop and I run a small fab shop from my home.
[19:38:04] <PetefromTn_> I know I am just busting your chops :D
[19:38:15] <moorbo> ;p
[19:38:49] <PetefromTn_> I have made some rather precise stuff before and the shop I work in we make some pretty tight parts on occasion.
[19:39:16] <moorbo> right on
[19:40:02] <moorbo> I'd ran a lathe a few times to fix flanges
[19:40:12] <PetefromTn_> I have taught myself basically everything I know about it over the last 20 years or so. never went to a formal school just bought machines and learned in the school of hard knocks...
[19:40:12] <moorbo> and I have a 3d printer
[19:40:19] <moorbo> thats as far as my cnc experience goes.
[19:41:42] <PetefromTn_> hey at least it is something.
[19:42:09] <PetefromTn_> I learn something new every day I go to work about machining parts. There is TONS to know...
[19:42:58] <moorbo> yeah for sure
[19:43:03] <witnit> not to mention the getting to know the charactor of every machine
[19:43:29] <PetefromTn_> There are lots of good informational videos on youtube you can learn a lot from to get the basics...
[19:44:01] <moorbo> any of you see the p5 ?
[19:44:12] <witnit> ?
[19:44:15] <PetefromTn_> whatsa P5?
[19:44:22] <moorbo> http://www.pocketnc.com/products/
[19:44:32] <moorbo> it's a 5 axis milling machine
[19:44:41] <moorbo> its basically what wanted me to get into machining
[19:45:25] <witnit> it looks like a really nice machine for a guy that made his own robotics/rc small hobby custom parts
[19:45:26] <archivist> you may want a better mechanical design that that
[19:45:30] <PetefromTn_> would not even know where to begin programming it.
[19:45:31] <humble_sea_bass> it is 25lbs
[19:45:47] <humble_sea_bass> good luck machining anything tougher than jello
[19:45:54] <witnit> I would not machine anything other than plastic or aluminum
[19:46:05] <moorbo> its apparently more than able to machine steel
[19:46:13] <moorbo> so they say on their website
[19:46:17] <moorbo> probably very slowly.
[19:46:22] <witnit> its just to lightweight with that rotary table hanging out there
[19:46:23] <humble_sea_bass> ppl say all sorts of shit
[19:46:30] <moorbo> yes they do
[19:46:45] <witnit> it would cause you issues if you wanted to do serious work I think
[19:47:00] <moorbo> I was kinda worried about the arc minutes
[19:47:04] <moorbo> and their repeatability
[19:47:21] <witnit> what would be your primary material?
[19:47:29] <moorbo> alu
[19:47:31] <moorbo> or delrin
[19:47:36] <Jymmm> asbestos
[19:47:53] <Jymmm> =)
[19:47:55] <witnit> I would build my own machine if it was me, but that would teach you just, tonnnssss
[19:48:02] <moorbo> my plan was to use it as a 3 + 2 machine
[19:48:06] <witnit> and little effort
[19:48:11] <humble_sea_bass> friable asbestos blocks
[19:48:16] <humble_sea_bass> classy
[19:48:38] <_methods> what are you going to make 5 axis toolpaths with?
[19:48:45] <moorbo> i have access to mastercam
[19:48:49] <moorbo> and hypermill
[19:48:53] <_methods> you good then
[19:49:05] <humble_sea_bass> a pirated copy of mastercam, and his face then explodes
[19:49:16] <moorbo> its not pirated
[19:49:22] <moorbo> nor does it belong to be
[19:49:27] <humble_sea_bass> because if you thought mastercam was a pain in the ass in 3 axes
[19:49:27] <moorbo> hence the word access and not have.
[19:49:35] <moorbo> be = me
[19:49:57] <humble_sea_bass> I would get 2 of those then
[19:50:06] <moorbo> heh ;p
[19:50:22] <moorbo> witnit: I learned quite a bit from my 3d printer
[19:50:38] <moorbo> witnit: but thats a simpler machine, I think
[19:50:42] <witnit> much
[19:50:48] <moorbo> I don't really know much about spindles
[19:50:55] <moorbo> and using collets, and etc
[19:51:00] <witnit> with a machining center you are learning more of the trade of working material
[19:51:10] <witnit> and not so much about the programming
[19:51:14] <humble_sea_bass> this isn't going to teach you anything about spindles or collets
[19:51:33] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: no it wouldn't. but it'd get me going
[19:51:36] <witnit> yes programming is a big part but you really learn alot about "How" to machine
[19:52:05] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: I'm more or less just asking suggestions about it if it seems like it's worth it.
[19:52:21] <humble_sea_bass> i dunno dog, a 4 axis whatever will teach you more than this little jammy
[19:52:24] <_methods> and now i have to retract my "you're good to go" statement
[19:52:24] <moorbo> or to just ignore it and find something
[19:52:26] <witnit> how much is it?
[19:52:28] <moorbo> or build something.
[19:53:12] <moorbo> witnit: I think they're looking for quite a bit
[19:53:14] <moorbo> 3000$
[19:53:19] <witnit> oh god hgahgaha
[19:53:20] <witnit> nooooooooooo
[19:53:22] <humble_sea_bass> haha
[19:54:08] <humble_sea_bass> if you have 3 grand to burn on this thing, you can spend 1000k and get soemthing useful and 2 grand to upgrade it when the machinist's autism kicks in
[19:54:42] <moorbo> machinist's autism ;p?
[19:54:42] <witnit> use this as an example
[19:54:47] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKUMA-MODEL-6V-VERTICAL-CNC-MACHINING-CENTER-WITH-OSP-5000M-CONTROL-/161275475528?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item258cc47648
[19:55:00] <witnit> it is less than $3000
[19:55:10] <moorbo> I also can't lift or move it
[19:55:24] <witnit> imagine what you could really get with 3000
[19:55:26] <moorbo> but by your reaction 3k for such a machine is a waste of money
[19:55:33] <_methods> man if i were you i'd start with one of those ebay 3020's
[19:55:36] <_methods> or 6040's
[19:55:39] <witnit> much much more than for 3000
[19:55:40] <_methods> cut your teeth on that
[19:55:49] <moorbo> are they half decent?
[19:55:55] <moorbo> I hear sometiems good things about the 6040
[19:56:10] <_methods> for learning they're perfect
[19:56:13] <witnit> did you build your own printer?
[19:56:18] <moorbo> yeah
[19:56:32] <witnit> you could piece together a cnc mill yourself
[19:56:32] <moorbo> I have a delta, and a regular cart
[19:57:02] <witnit> same concepts just choose your materials wisely and for less than 800 you could put together a very sound machine
[19:57:14] <humble_sea_bass> moorbo, get a taig mill for 900 bux, convert it to cnc, figure out everything that sucks about it, upgrade it some more, and then be a king
[19:57:26] <moorbo> any recommendations on spindles and that
[19:57:26] <witnit> how big can you go?
[19:57:28] <moorbo> or something to read
[19:58:09] <moorbo> witnit: I would expect I wouldn't need a build volume larger than half a cubic foot.
[19:58:15] <humble_sea_bass> moorbo: the be all end all of spindles are variable frequency drives that are water cooled and shit
[19:58:54] <moorbo> variable frequency drives.
[19:59:03] <humble_sea_bass> Vee Eff Deee
[19:59:22] <witnit> he wouldnt need such a thing on such a small platform I wouldnt think
[19:59:27] <witnit> but to each his own
[19:59:46] <moorbo> witnit: you're right, I wouldn't
[19:59:59] <witnit> I would suggest looking at some small knee mills
[20:00:05] <moorbo> witnit: it's kinda why that p5 seemed so appealing it was more or less exactly what I was looking for
[20:00:08] <witnit> I think I can show you an example
[20:00:17] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPUy9QYh0xc
[20:00:19] <moorbo> though, the extra 2 axis' were a bonus
[20:00:31] <witnit> ok
[20:00:36] <witnit> sooo something similar to this
[20:00:39] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-CATARACT-BB2-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINE-WORKS-GREAT-/191116467929?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7f6dded9
[20:00:43] <witnit> will last you a lifetime
[20:00:43] <humble_sea_bass> here is count chocula talking about spindles
[20:00:52] <witnit> and you can REALLY do actual machining on it,
[20:01:15] <witnit> so if you can handle the size, that would be a very good route to take in the long run
[20:01:21] <witnit> and you can do harder materials
[20:01:26] <moorbo> witnit: ahh my other thing was that it had to go into my apartment
[20:01:29] <moorbo> ;p
[20:01:38] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: neat machine
[20:02:11] <witnit> its hard for me to suggest to you tools I would not use myself, which are most machines smaller than that one I showed you
[20:02:47] <moorbo> witnit: right...well thanks regardless
[20:02:49] <moorbo> I know your feeling
[20:03:03] <moorbo> I always recommend machines I use to my apprentices
[20:03:04] <witnit> however, if you find the right "slides" you can have a nice xy table I suggest looking for steel on steel slides if you build your own
[20:03:28] <moorbo> witnit: linear slides/rails you mean?
[20:03:44] <witnit> depending on what you are doing, dovetail slided can be nice too
[20:04:05] <witnit> slides*
[20:04:17] <witnit> look for a lathe, cross traverse
[20:04:48] <witnit> sometimes those can be useful in making your own linear system affordably
[20:05:04] <witnit> and the size is good for you, also lead screws
[20:06:14] <witnit> if you build your own machine you can fit it in your home and it be really solid, but I its really hard to find a quality desktop lathe or mill which is affordable
[20:06:14] <shaun413> guys want to see some lathe pron?
[20:06:19] <witnit> yep
[20:06:29] <shaun413> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmqkeLp_amI#t=889
[20:08:00] <witnit> that guy has a nice tool post ;) ;)
[20:08:05] <shaun413> :p
[20:08:19] <shaun413> all that coolant ;)
[20:08:46] <witnit> hahah ohhh get outta a here hahaha
[20:08:49] <witnit> thats too much
[20:08:50] <witnit> ahaha
[20:08:50] <moorbo> you should be watching BOST stuff
[20:09:02] <moorbo> if you want lathe porn
[20:09:27] <shaun413> lol
[20:09:55] <shaun413> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0t2Rfjewg
[20:09:59] <shaun413> Im actually watching this
[20:10:39] <moorbo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Wxfn5_pbA
[20:10:43] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSHMAN-PRECISION-12-X-16-XY-COMPOUND-CROSS-SLIDE-MACHINIST-TABLE-/231202284177?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item35d4bae291
[20:11:04] <witnit> moorbo imagine two descent stepper motors on something like that
[20:11:09] <witnit> and then... just keep imaginine
[20:11:12] <witnit> ing*
[20:11:49] <moorbo> heh
[20:11:55] <moorbo> nice looking bed
[20:11:56] <witnit> then go back and think about that other machine you were considering for 3000, im sure you will see the difference
[20:11:59] <humble_sea_bass> that cushman looks mad dank
[20:12:04] <humble_sea_bass> i'm down wit it
[20:12:20] <witnit> yeah ask anyone in here
[20:12:50] <witnit> if you can are smart enough and ambitious enough you will have a VERY nice machine to last you if you build in those ways instead
[20:13:55] <humble_sea_bass> i think aiming for perfect is not a good idea
[20:14:19] <moorbo> witnit: I think building will be the better option
[20:14:22] <moorbo> like you said
[20:14:35] <humble_sea_bass> committing to a reasonably priced low tier solution is optimal, because you can say "this is ok, but it sucks because _____
[20:15:03] <shaun413> so wwhat should I commit to?
[20:15:09] <witnit> well, take your time and see what other people are doing I think you will find that if you use these tools often you will actually save yourself alot of time
[20:15:41] <witnit> alot of guys that do buy like an harbor freight and then actually get into machining
[20:15:48] <witnit> ditch it and buy a real machine or build one
[20:15:57] <shaun413> hf is cheap
[20:16:02] <shaun413> also a doorstop
[20:16:19] <witnit> so its really a matter of how serious you will be about your machine in the future
[20:16:24] <witnit> shaun knows hahaha
[20:16:31] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: you're hopeless and you sit on a spot in autistic spectrum which prevents you from making decisions because you theorycraft min/max
[20:16:37] <witnit> HAHAHHAHA
[20:16:42] <shaun413> so?
[20:16:49] <witnit> decide shaun!
[20:16:53] <humble_sea_bass> so ther you go
[20:16:54] <witnit> you must buy your lathe
[20:17:00] <shaun413> i cnt afford much more than HF
[20:17:13] <humble_sea_bass> make a good decision, make a bad decision, but choose
[20:17:27] <witnit> I second that motion
[20:17:30] <CaptHindsight_> nah it's just negative attention, don't feed it
[20:17:46] <witnit> hungriest of them all
[20:17:58] <humble_sea_bass> it is the lemniscate of trollinf
[20:18:45] <shaun413> :/
[20:18:46] <witnit> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-history/bench-mill-lathe-parts-id-needed-186826/
[20:18:54] <shaun413> I just want to get a start
[20:18:58] <shaun413> and make some small items
[20:19:23] <witnit> something like this would also be alright to start with as well, it would atleast provide a solid XYZ base
[20:19:25] <humble_sea_bass> the long con troll
[20:19:32] <humble_sea_bass> i gotta hand it to you
[20:19:36] <shaun413> give it up humble_sea_bass
[20:19:40] <shaun413> Im not a troll
[20:19:46] <witnit> nothing tooo heavy but also capable of taking cuts in steel at a reasonable rate
[20:19:49] <humble_sea_bass> what small items are you making
[20:20:06] <shaun413> 3d printer hotend, models
[20:20:13] <shaun413> maybe watch parts
[20:20:19] <shaun413> rc parts
[20:20:22] <CaptHindsight_> when he mentioned wanting to design a melt pump for FDM he just took a leap into the doodoo
[20:20:25] <humble_sea_bass> comedy watch parts
[20:21:16] <CaptHindsight_> I haven't seen anyone banned in here for over a year
[20:21:40] <witnit> heh, this is a really chill bunch
[20:21:48] <witnit> they guy must have been pretty bad
[20:22:04] <witnit> prolly asking the same question over an over hahah
[20:22:21] <shaun413> o.0
[20:23:04] <witnit> watch the price on that cushman slide go up
[20:23:08] <witnit> 15 mins left :)
[20:23:20] <witnit> gets me all excited
[20:23:27] <shaun413> link?
[20:23:34] <witnit> its above
[20:24:08] <witnit> very good tool there
[20:24:13] <shaun413> So
[20:24:22] <shaun413> you guys really recommmend a mill over a lathe?
[20:24:29] <witnit> well, im a machinist and it gets me all happy
[20:24:30] <witnit> huh?
[20:24:37] <shaun413> ive been told this
[20:24:40] <witnit> thats apples and oranged dood
[20:24:42] <witnit> oranges*
[20:24:49] <shaun413> how?
[20:25:02] <witnit> two totally different machines made for different things
[20:25:09] <witnit> you cannot recommend one over the other
[20:25:24] <shaun413> do i need both?
[20:25:38] <witnit> if you dont know that you need it, you probably dont need it
[20:26:27] <witnit> I use mine once a week, and my lathe three times as often
[20:26:37] <shaun413> what do you make?
[20:26:41] <witnit> but I maked turned parts for a living
[20:26:43] <witnit> not millwork
[20:26:49] <shaun413> what is it"?
[20:26:55] <witnit> many parts
[20:27:06] <shaun413> is this a good way to make money?
[20:27:14] <witnit> yes?
[20:27:20] <shaun413> hhmmm
[20:27:25] <shaun413> you think I could?
[20:27:50] <witnit> of course you could
[20:27:56] <shaun413> 0.o
[20:28:02] <shaun413> what do you make?
[20:28:16] <witnit> I will show an example of a job one might make with a cnc
[20:28:23] <shaun413> OK!
[20:28:31] <witnit> that would be a turned part that you could profit and sell on ebay
[20:29:30] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TAP-HANDLE-FERRULE-STANDARD-5-16-18-TOP-3-8-16-BOTTOM-THREAD-1-LONG-250-PCS-/121311075227?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3eb41b9b
[20:30:33] <witnit> I can pump those out at about 14 seconds
[20:30:47] <witnit> on a multispindle automatic lathe
[20:30:54] <shaun413> yeah but 250 of them
[20:31:01] <shaun413> how much does that cost raw?
[20:31:12] <witnit> you would have to quote the material
[20:31:19] <witnit> so bar length 12ft
[20:31:35] <witnit> and part is prolly an inch
[20:31:50] <witnit> so count up how many bars it would take and call a supplier
[20:33:37] <shaun413> what do you think I could make?
[20:33:43] <shaun413> if hotends dont work
[20:34:07] <witnit> I couldnt begin to guess
[20:34:13] <shaun413> ://
[20:34:33] <humble_sea_bass> hold on shawn, let me stop doing the math for my hot mess of a life and figure out how I can make you money with frosting nozzles
[20:34:37] <witnit> I dont think you are going to start a profitable business with less than $1000 and your current knowlege
[20:34:51] <shaun413> ...
[20:34:54] <witnit> haha yes, lemme just run that through my spreadsheet
[20:35:04] <shaun413> ?
[20:35:35] <humble_sea_bass> oh, you didnt get a copy of the So You Want To Be A Machinist spreadsheet
[20:35:38] <humble_sea_bass> ?
[20:36:07] <PetefromTn_> I need a copy here man...
[20:36:17] <_methods> omg is this still going on
[20:36:26] <_methods> mah brain
[20:36:29] <humble_sea_bass> war
[20:36:30] <witnit> your carriage is so far ahead of your horse its not even possible for me to help you decide such things ahahha
[20:36:33] <humble_sea_bass> war never changes
[20:36:55] <moorbo> shaun413: your best bet is to find a reason to buy the machine
[20:37:03] <witnit> yeaaah mooorbo
[20:37:05] <witnit> give it to em
[20:37:05] <shaun413> to make money
[20:37:13] <witnit> we been at this a week now with shaun
[20:37:16] <moorbo> rather than hoping you'll have a reason to find when you own it
[20:37:19] <humble_sea_bass> no! drugs shawn, drugs
[20:37:31] <moorbo> witnit: I know shaun413 from the reprap side ;p
[20:37:33] <witnit> flip dat fluff
[20:37:37] <witnit> ahahahahah
[20:37:41] <witnit> I see I see
[20:37:56] <humble_sea_bass> it has been two weeks now
[20:37:59] <humble_sea_bass> maybe 3
[20:38:04] <shaun413> moorbo can vvouch for my awesomeness
[20:38:05] <witnit> ughh really?
[20:38:18] <humble_sea_bass> is he as hopeless and autistic over at #reprap?
[20:38:24] <moorbo> I can vouch for your odd questioning
[20:38:26] <moorbo> thats for sure
[20:38:37] <shaun413> but I get things done
[20:38:43] <witnit> I should do a search for "lathe" on the linuxcnc chat logs and count how many times I see his name
[20:38:43] <humble_sea_bass> or is #reprap trying to pawn him off on us?
[20:38:45] <moorbo> have you bought a lathe yet
[20:38:55] <shaun413> no
[20:38:56] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: some of this some of that
[20:39:01] <moorbo> then I don't think you got anything done yet
[20:39:02] <humble_sea_bass> he gets dick done
[20:39:14] <shaun413> .
[20:39:17] <moorbo> you've been asking about lathes over there since I started seeing you in the channel
[20:39:36] <witnit> ohh such a small world
[20:39:41] <humble_sea_bass> its pretty clear he needs a network wide b an
[20:39:48] <_methods> oh dayum
[20:39:51] <_methods> kline indeed
[20:41:07] <witnit> 20 seconds!
[20:41:44] <witnit> there goes your X and Y moorbo :)
[20:41:58] <moorbo> witnit: hehh
[20:42:08] <PetefromTn_> moorbo You should watch these videos in order to the end...lots of nice tips and ideas to learn here.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7UvwyLSdsM
[20:42:26] <moorbo> PetefromTn_: thank you!
[20:43:17] <witnit> you guys notice how high priced the hardware stores have gotten
[20:43:24] <PetefromTn_> Tubalcain is a good source if technique for machining and learning how to measure and setup stuff....and the videos are very explanatory.
[20:43:51] <witnit> this guy is usuing all the right tools too
[20:43:56] <witnit> looks like he has a solid shop
[20:45:46] <PetefromTn_> yup he is no joke.
[20:45:52] <witnit> pete
[20:46:00] <witnit> you ever use a geometric die head
[20:47:52] <ReadError> tubalcain has some good vids
[20:47:53] <ReadError> for sure
[20:47:54] <PetefromTn_> no but I have seen them. Interesting tools. Do you use them on your screw machines?
[20:48:00] <witnit> yes
[20:48:07] <witnit> they are great even for a cnc
[20:48:34] <witnit> simple use
[20:49:20] <PetefromTn_> I am just looking forward to getting my rigid tap feedback working on the VMC here LOL
[20:49:44] <witnit> ooh
[20:49:45] <R2E4> Did you get your encoder installed on your spindle?
[20:50:54] <shaun413> witnit, $162.48
[20:50:56] <PetefromTn_> Nope not yet.
[20:50:56] <shaun413> that cushmann
[20:51:17] <witnit> its a nice tool shaun,it could have gone to 250
[20:51:23] <shaun413> cool
[20:51:27] <witnit> sometimes you will see guys fight over them
[20:55:48] <shaun413> oh boy
[21:10:08] <witnit> moorbo "some" people are into these but you would want to keep in mind this is a horozontal mill, so you would have to add your own spindle
[21:10:10] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRAFTSMAN-CHANGE-O-MATIC-BENCH-MILLING-MACHINE-MODEL-10115500-NEEDS-REBUILT-/131169462197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e8a4f27b5
[21:10:44] <moorbo> witnit: thats a different design
[21:10:49] <moorbo> don't think I've ever seen one like that
[21:10:59] <witnit> yes they use a horozontal spindle
[21:11:29] <witnit> not good for doing drilling and tapping or pockets, these are good for large linear cuts
[21:11:51] <witnit> but if you are just using xyz it is a good base, not as good as that cushman
[21:12:05] <witnit> but better than harbor freight and aluminum beds
[21:13:03] <shaun413> :/
[21:13:10] <shaun413> everything is betteer than HF
[21:13:20] <shaun413> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnv0DAR_gWA
[21:13:25] <shaun413> this is better than a HF lathe
[21:13:35] <witnit> agreed
[21:13:48] <moorbo> witnit: alu extrusion beds you mean?
[21:13:58] <witnit> yeah they are not ridgid
[21:14:17] <shaun413> uses his toes to guid the blade
[21:14:18] <moorbo> I'm kinda weary of them
[21:14:18] <shaun413> :/
[21:14:28] <witnit> and they tend to mar up easily causing your tools to lift of the sirface and loser good contact
[21:14:34] <witnit> off*
[21:15:20] <witnit> vibration and flexing is also an issue
[21:23:46] <shaun413> anyone know the best heatsink design?
[21:24:02] <shaun413> I need to keep heat in one area, and make it cool rapidly outside of that area
[21:33:05] <witnit> Im betting this one goes unanswered
[21:36:16] <moorbo> shaun413: didn't you say you did somethinh in school about plans
[21:36:25] <shaun413> No??
[21:36:31] <moorbo> planes*
[21:36:36] <shaun413> Oh yes
[21:36:52] <moorbo> and thermodynamics
[21:36:55] <moorbo> never came into play
[21:36:57] <shaun413> yep
[21:37:01] <moorbo> and heat dissapation ?
[21:37:02] <shaun413> didnt take it yet
[21:37:07] <moorbo> spelt correctly*
[21:38:56] <moorbo> shaun413: I'd probably recommend looking at cpu heat sinks
[21:39:15] <moorbo> and then the wii u heat sink
[21:39:19] <shaun413> well yes
[21:39:21] <moorbo> and probably a xbox one
[21:39:28] <shaun413> most have copper cores and alum fins
[21:39:43] <moorbo> the wii u has a very interesting heatsink
[21:39:58] <witnit> maybe a small alchohol engine would givce some cylindrical designs.....
[21:40:24] <shaun413> moorbo, this is for a hotend...
[21:40:59] <moorbo> so
[21:41:04] <moorbo> it's very basic then
[21:41:20] <moorbo> shaun413: look at other peoples hotend designs
[21:41:38] <moorbo> most hotends have questionable ideas
[21:41:41] <shaun413> ^
[21:41:44] <shaun413> weird ideas
[21:41:48] <moorbo> but
[21:41:48] <shaun413> that arent easy to machine
[21:41:52] <moorbo> the nice thing is
[21:41:59] <moorbo> shaun413: thats just the jhead
[21:42:03] <shaun413> ^
[21:42:06] <shaun413> yup...
[21:42:18] <moorbo> anyways, the nice thing is that the hotends have a lot of iterations
[21:42:25] <moorbo> and hundreds of testers
[21:42:28] <moorbo> so they work well
[21:42:41] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkhlpdRWREE
[21:42:47] <moorbo> look at other hotends
[21:42:53] <moorbo> the arcol is easy to machine
[21:42:55] <shaun413> yeah
[21:42:58] <moorbo> same as others
[21:43:01] <shaun413> but how can I make it unique...
[21:43:08] <moorbo> why make it unique
[21:43:10] <moorbo> make it work
[21:43:11] <moorbo> and simple
[21:43:13] <shaun413> to sell more
[21:43:14] <moorbo> use npt threads
[21:43:29] <moorbo> shaun413: you'll never sell the reprap community
[21:43:35] <shaun413> ?
[21:43:39] <moorbo> from reprap
[21:43:47] <moorbo> they're too entrenched in known parts
[21:43:47] <shaun413> if they dont know its me...
[21:44:04] <moorbo> you'll be able to sell to everyone else though
[21:46:31] <moorbo> shaun413: I would make your own hotend
[21:46:35] <moorbo> and not try to copy othes
[21:46:41] <shaun413> im trying too
[21:46:41] <moorbo> but don't worry about making it unique
[21:46:43] <moorbo> make it work
[21:46:48] <moorbo> fix the known issues
[21:46:50] <witnit> lasers use heatsinks
[21:46:53] <shaun413> right
[21:47:09] <witnit> http://users.telenet.be/nihao/Laser/heatsink3.jpg
[21:47:10] <shaun413> known issues are ones that can do abs and pla are hard to find
[21:47:21] <moorbo> huh
[21:47:23] <shaun413> one that can do abs pla and nylon all in one would be nice
[21:47:27] <moorbo> every hotend can do abs and pla
[21:47:32] <shaun413> meh
[21:47:39] <moorbo> and nylon
[21:47:39] <shaun413> ed3 has a hard time with pla
[21:47:40] <moorbo> and PC
[21:47:44] <moorbo> ed3 is shit
[21:47:50] <shaun413> why?
[21:48:04] <moorbo> can they do pla?
[21:48:32] <shaun413> no
[21:49:11] <moorbo> case in point.
[22:17:40] <shaun413> anyone here know how to add a slight amount of surface roubhness to glass?
[22:17:42] <shaun413> roughness
[22:35:51] <Tom_itx> shaun413 acid or bead blast it
[22:36:09] <shaun413> :/
[22:38:12] <XXCoder> acid is easy to get even
[22:38:20] <XXCoder> and well dangerous a bit of course
[22:38:38] <shaun413> hmm
[22:38:43] <shaun413> is a bead blaster cheaper?
[22:38:54] <XXCoder> asssuming you got equipment
[22:38:59] <shaun413> no
[22:42:58] <XXCoder> then no, acid etching is cheaper, since blaster and air pressure equipment is not free
[22:43:35] <shaun413> i have compressors
[22:43:52] <XXCoder> not sure if renting blaster is cheaper than buying some acid
[22:50:38] <bilboquet> hi, do you know what cutting tool to use for milling a LQFP pcb ? is some one can do it ?
[22:54:28] <XXCoder> sorry dunno, but didnt want no reply at all