#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-17

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[00:01:16] <WalterN> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/88AB2-152/GH5013-ND/255609
[00:02:20] <shaun413> Why not build a case for it
[00:02:27] <shaun413> Flip cover to shut
[00:03:29] <witnit> personally I spend a terribly large amount of my time on deciding what items to buy instead of building myself... to save time
[00:03:31] <WalterN> with nice machined aluminum keys custom masked anodized for the numbers... way too much time
[00:03:56] <WalterN> witnit: gotta consider all options and pick the best one
[00:04:06] <WalterN> heh
[00:04:06] <witnit> yeah
[00:04:52] <WalterN> I researched cameras for 2 months before I decided on buying my first one... a canon powershot A95
[00:05:40] <WalterN> had to figure out what a lens was and what they do, the different kinds of CCD and CMOS sensors... etc.
[00:05:51] <witnit> yeah thats not like buying a car
[00:06:08] <witnit> or an apple
[00:06:33] <witnit> too much specialization
[00:06:50] <witnit> too many important variables
[00:07:40] <WalterN> well with a car its worse... you have all the different kinds of transmissions, kind of tinting on the windows (if any), location of the oil filter and if you can get both hands on it...
[00:07:56] <WalterN> XD
[00:10:20] <WalterN> there is quite a few different kinds of automatic transmissions these days...
[00:11:28] <WalterN> ford is trying out a double clutch kind of thing... its basically a manual transmission with an automatic clutch that uses two plates... or something like that
[00:11:45] <psha> WalterN: with car it's much more simple - what you want is too expensive, and what you can afford is trash :]
[00:12:04] <WalterN> psha: ha, point.
[00:14:09] <WalterN> I could probably order this from futurlec and get it before I finish this project
[00:14:54] <witnit> I was outbid http://www.ebay.com/itm/291125575399
[00:15:09] <witnit> these will go up pretty high
[00:15:16] <witnit> Im not going to compete with those animals
[00:15:25] <WalterN> heh
[00:15:49] <WalterN> I was at a local auction a little while ago and yeah... bidding waaaay high
[00:15:57] <WalterN> might as well buy the stuff new
[00:16:15] <witnit> yeah, its funny how it works at auctions, feast or famine
[00:18:31] <WalterN> I'm eyeing these now http://lgrws01.grayhill.com/web1/images/ProductImages/Keypads_88.pdf
[00:18:38] <WalterN> on digikey
[00:19:30] <witnit> wouldnt that be something you would finger
[00:19:35] <witnit> heh.. hehheh
[00:19:48] <WalterN> fingering... oh my?
[00:19:59] * WalterN facepalms
[00:20:02] <witnit> hey thats only 3million keystrokes per button
[00:20:06] <WalterN> I should drink less
[00:20:18] <witnit> sure thats enoughh
[00:21:30] <WalterN> button travel is 0.015"
[00:21:31] <WalterN> heh
[00:22:40] <WalterN> I want a single pole/common bus thing
[00:23:21] <WalterN> so I can put a resister on each key and use an analog to digital pin to read all the keys
[00:24:20] <WalterN> I guess I could still do that with a matrix
[00:24:24] <WalterN> hmm
[00:26:01] <WalterN> heh
[00:26:29] <WalterN> "These common liquids do not attack the overlay: ... 30% hydrogen peroxide, wine, beer, whiskey, ..."
[00:27:45] <WalterN> oh here we go
[00:27:58] <WalterN> B2 is matrix, C2 is common bus
[01:53:35] <Bushman> ave
[02:30:50] <Deejay> moin
[05:02:19] <Einar> I can not figure how they get the power in the table to be right: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WATER-COOLED-SPINDLE-MOTOR-2-2KW-CNC-ENGRAVING-MILL-GRIND-ROUTER-3D-PRINTER-/161185518510?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258767d3ae
[05:12:18] <witnit> ??
[05:15:28] <Einar> Power = Voltage * Current.
[07:04:20] <GuShH_> shaun not begging for equipment anymore? good
[07:13:47] <ReadError> annoying right
[07:15:44] <GuShH_> ReadError: "now it's my turn to beg" haha
[08:00:44] <archivist> on your knees and beg... :)
[08:02:09] <archivist> Einar, at the smoke level I suppose
[08:21:30] <GuShH_> archivist: are nicholson files worth looking into?
[08:21:48] <GuShH_> my files and rasps are... generic.
[08:23:11] <archivist> didnt you see my answer yesterday
[08:26:01] <archivist> an hour and ten minutes after you asked halfway down the page http://emclog.archivist.info/
[09:27:04] <Jymmm> Do they use cosmoline on rubber tires?
[09:27:19] <Jymmm> like for hand dollys
[09:44:16] <shaun413> Hello
[10:06:16] <GuShH_> archivist: nope, I'll check it out thanks
[10:40:47] <Loetmichel> harhar, i REALLY eat to much of these mini-babybels. thats the second candle i make from the hulls... and yes, i wahsted the tuna can thoroughly! ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14835
[10:41:33] <_methods> haha 18650's all over in background
[10:41:41] <_methods> laptop battery scavenger
[10:42:13] <Loetmichel> _methods: thats for my flashlight
[10:42:19] <_methods> hehe nice
[10:42:31] <Jymmm> unprotected (cheap bastard =)
[10:42:37] <_methods> right me too though lol
[10:42:40] <Loetmichel> so what
[10:42:57] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Where do you think babies and STD's come from?
[10:43:13] <Loetmichel> NOT from Liion batteries ;-)
[10:43:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Didn't they teach you anything?!
[10:43:38] <Loetmichel> obviously not ;-)
[10:43:45] <Jymmm> So it seems
[10:43:56] <Jymmm> (for prevention in cheap electronics)
[10:44:02] <Jymmm> fire*
[10:44:28] <archivist> some like to live dangerously
[10:44:29] <Jymmm> All it takes is one bad regulator in a flashlight to overdraw on the batteries.
[10:44:48] <archivist> he can let go and drop it then
[10:44:53] <Jymmm> archivist: Sure, but at least make it worth while. =)
[10:44:55] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: shock picture for you: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14751
[10:45:00] <Loetmichel> i even dismantled one ;-)
[10:45:47] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Nah, that's fine. I just dont trust the cheap electronics is all. Banging around in a pack or whatever.
[10:45:48] <Loetmichel> the 300mAh are a lie.
[10:45:52] <oskar19601> hallo
[10:45:57] <Loetmichel> 3000
[10:46:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Heh, derate by 50% =)
[10:46:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14733
[10:46:44] <Loetmichel> 90%
[10:46:46] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[10:47:28] <Loetmichel> thats what you get when you buy 2 flashlights with 4 batteries and 2 chargers for less than $30 ;-)
[10:47:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Hey, you knew better before even buying it =)
[10:48:20] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: even without the batteries and the (crappy) charges the 2 lamps for less than $30 was a good deal
[10:48:37] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Was it?
[10:48:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14742
[10:48:51] <Loetmichel> the lamps are bright as hell ;-)
[10:49:04] <Jymmm> where from?
[10:49:10] <shaun413> Hi
[10:49:13] <Loetmichel> china
[10:49:19] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: DUH
[10:49:29] <Loetmichel> ebay
[10:49:33] <Jymmm> k
[10:50:13] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I've had great results with these... http://www.dx.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-true-2400mah-rechargeable-lithium-batteries-2-pack-20392
[10:50:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: "TRUE 2400mAh"
[10:50:48] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/360817420129
[10:51:21] <Loetmichel> i had better results with dismantled laptop cells
[10:51:30] <Loetmichel> (the pink ones)
[10:51:39] <_methods> sanyo
[10:51:40] <Loetmichel> still more than 2000mAh in them
[10:51:49] <Loetmichel> samsung
[10:51:55] <Jymmm> nice
[10:52:15] <Loetmichel> tha laptop died a falliung death
[10:52:22] <_methods> ooops
[10:52:25] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: The auction is black, but your pic shows grey. so which is it?
[10:52:31] <Loetmichel> so the 2 years old battery was spare ;-)
[10:52:40] <shaun413> Grlack
[10:52:44] <Loetmichel> none of them
[10:52:57] <Loetmichel> the lamps are actually deep violed
[10:53:01] <Loetmichel> violet
[10:53:11] <Jymmm> lovely... not
[10:53:24] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: This was my latest toy... http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022116
[10:53:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's about a pound with 3x 18650, but sits in the glovebox most of the time.
[10:54:17] <Jymmm> err... UP TO 3, only needs one
[10:54:19] <oskar19601> Hi kann mir jemand bei einer konfiguration eines isel c142 helfen. kann leider kein englisch
[10:54:30] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i bought that as a replacement for the mini-mag at my belt
[10:54:46] <Loetmichel> a three 18650 would be a bit biog for that
[10:54:54] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: have compasion pics?
[10:54:56] <Loetmichel> oskar19601: which city?
[10:55:09] <oskar19601> Leipzig
[10:55:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14757
[10:55:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That's not why I got that 1lb, it's becasue it's a powerpack, flashlight, and charger all in one
[10:55:18] <Loetmichel> (ignore the belly ;-)
[10:55:46] <_methods> hahah
[10:55:48] <_methods> the bat belt
[10:55:58] <_methods> you just need a batarang now
[10:56:19] <shaun413> I'll print you one
[10:56:20] <shaun413> !
[10:56:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: WTH.... Regualr, Menthol, Vanilla, and Coffee flavors or what?
[10:56:32] <Loetmichel> _methods: look on the other side: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13537
[10:56:34] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[10:56:57] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what eLiquid do you use?
[10:57:09] <Loetmichel> actually: blackberry, orange/mentol, 7 leaves and blueberry ;-)
[10:57:54] <Loetmichel> german brand "www.dampflanet.de"
[10:58:07] <Loetmichel> i have more than that
[10:58:25] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14799
[10:58:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: is that the vegetable based stuff?
[10:58:30] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14814
[10:58:31] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[10:59:24] <Jymmm> bad url
[11:00:03] <Loetmichel> no, the mormal 47% vegetable glycerin 47% propylene glycol, 5% water and the rest arome and 11mg/ml nicotine
[11:00:15] <Loetmichel> oh
[11:00:29] <Loetmichel> [17:40] <Loetmichel> german brand "www.dampfplanet.de"
[11:00:33] <Loetmichel> forgotten a P
[11:00:35] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[11:00:57] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You say "normal", I didn't think the common stuff contained vegie at all
[11:00:58] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/009503-aspen-propylene-glycol.html?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&gclid=CNr78pju570CFcURMwodWSgAzg just aroma, flavors and nicotine
[11:01:13] <CaptHindsight_> just add
[11:01:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: Just add WHAT?
[11:01:38] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: missing the steam then
[11:01:43] <CaptHindsight_> what do they charge for a few mL of that eCig fluid?
[11:01:47] <Loetmichel> the VG is for making those nice "clouds"
[11:01:59] <Loetmichel> 10ml about $5
[11:02:42] <Jymmm> Pure PG just makes be cough, someone said to use the VG stuff instead
[11:02:44] <Loetmichel> you can buy pure vg fluid over here and pure PG fluid
[11:03:00] <Loetmichel> the pg has a better "kick" while the VG makes more "puff"
[11:03:05] <CaptHindsight_> 375 x $5 = $1875 that like inkjet ink margins
[11:03:27] <Jymmm> So, the common stuff is pure PG, but dilute it down 50% to get smooth?
[11:03:30] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: you forget the nicotine
[11:03:41] <CaptHindsight_> no wonder ecig stores are popping up
[11:04:00] <Loetmichel> you can buy "base fluid" over here wihtout aroma an nicotine for less than $20 a litre
[11:04:36] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: no, the common stuff in germany ist 50/50
[11:04:46] <Jymmm> is or isn't ?
[11:04:53] <Loetmichel> is
[11:05:00] <CaptHindsight_> nicotine is <$100kg
[11:05:03] <Jymmm> Hmmm, and the china stuff?
[11:05:08] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: not in germany
[11:05:14] <Loetmichel> very high tax on it here ;-)
[11:06:12] <CaptHindsight_> Loetmichel: in raw bulk or what if it's mixed with something else?
[11:07:35] <Loetmichel> both
[11:08:07] <Loetmichel> raw bulk you only get it at pharmacys for an exorbitant price as a privateer
[11:10:04] <Loetmichel> so, second candle cooled down and working: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14838
[11:10:50] <Loetmichel> ... ist astonishing how good a bit of babybelcover wax, a tuna can and a piece of toilet paper (!) works ;-)
[11:10:54] <Loetmichel> its
[11:12:58] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: corn oil and a wick work too.... oil lamp
[11:14:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Just watch out for the soot produced on any of it oil or wax =)
[11:14:37] <Loetmichel> there is no soot if you trim the "wick" from time to time ;-)
[11:14:49] <Jymmm> famous last words...
[11:15:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Snuff out the candle and see how much smoke is produced =)
[11:16:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: btw.... that aint smoke =)
[11:16:29] <Loetmichel> thats vaporized wax, no soot
[11:16:33] <Loetmichel> soot is BLACK
[11:16:45] <Loetmichel> (or am i wrong?)
[11:17:25] <Jymmm> same diff, inefficient burn of material =) You are correct, but I think that also gets into the realm of creosote.
[11:17:32] <Jymmm> (sp)
[11:18:21] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Did you see the gasoline from wood video?
[11:18:28] <Loetmichel> no
[11:19:05] <Jymmm> hang on, gotta find it...
[11:19:16] <Loetmichel> but i know the principle
[11:20:10] <Loetmichel> more or less the same that the old "wood gas cars" from after ww2 used
[11:20:18] <Loetmichel> just cooled down and condensated
[11:22:00] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: k, the guy talks a whole lot, but he shows a generator running off his "syngas" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbXj9R6ZXw
[11:31:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Is that flashlight nice enough? Is the tailcap really GITD or just dayglow green?
[11:31:56] <archivist> lathe abuse :) http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=southbend+horizontal+miller
[11:32:29] <Connor> So, question. I asked the other day about how many machines had both air and coolant.. my next question is.. what g code command do they use to toggle air?
[11:32:37] <Connor> I see one for mist, and one for coolant...
[11:32:44] <Connor> do they just use MIST for Air ?
[11:34:12] <Jymmm> archivist: Why did you abuse the lathe like that? lol
[11:34:32] <skunkworks> archivist: did you see the thread on homeshopmachinist?
[11:34:40] <archivist> the vfd on the mill is dead
[11:34:58] <archivist> skunkworks, which one?
[11:35:38] <skunkworks> archivist: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/63116-Slitting-saw-%28mis%29adventures
[11:35:56] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebMLzRB1UgY
[11:36:12] <skunkworks> a bit wobbly..
[11:36:56] <archivist> I used the back gear for my cuts
[11:37:40] <archivist> no I did not see that article before
[11:38:14] <CaptHindsight_> heh forgot to turn the sound down for that video, I though a machine had started up
[11:38:24] <CaptHindsight_> though/thought
[11:39:08] <Connor> Anyone? :(
[11:42:09] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: the tailcap is just dayglow green
[11:42:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: k. and you got TWO flashlights???
[11:42:34] <archivist> skunkworks, I suppose the other trick that person could not use is self act to get a consistent feed
[11:42:48] <Loetmichel> one for my wifes car one for my belt
[11:43:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Oh, it didn't come with two, you bought two sets?
[11:44:07] <Loetmichel> rigt
[11:44:10] <Jymmm> k
[11:44:11] <Loetmichel> right
[11:44:28] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's all good, I speak typo =)
[11:45:29] <Loetmichel> <- sausage fingers ;-)
[11:46:36] <skunkworks> if the machine has flood mist and air - your going to have to do something different.. If it has flood and air only - then I would use mist for air
[11:47:16] <archivist> or one of those do it yourself M codes
[11:47:33] <skunkworks> or Connor is getting really good at remapping...
[11:48:35] <Connor> So, there isn't a separate G code for AIR.. That's kinda stupid.
[11:48:43] <archivist> recommendations from the lad of choices
[11:48:48] <archivist> land
[11:49:14] <Connor> skunkworks: And I dunno about getting really good at remapping... :)
[11:50:32] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: 20,000 LUMENS... http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S023130#
[11:51:18] <Jymmm> Doubles as a REAL torch due the heat output =)
[11:51:36] <Deejay> 20k lumen pmpo
[11:51:42] <Deejay> chinese lumens ;)
[11:51:53] <Jymmm> Deejay: 18 emitters, not sure about that.
[11:52:48] <CaptHindsight_> 20000 lumens maximum brightness (when measured with light meter facing into the sun)
[11:52:48] <Deejay> i have a 100 watt LED. the chinese say its about 8k lumen
[11:53:13] <Jymmm> That's 1111 Lumen/ea, which isn reality is about 900lm, so 900lm * 18 = 16,200 lm
[11:53:26] <CaptHindsight_> they just cut and paste crap, you have to measure it yourself
[11:53:50] <Deejay> how much watt has each led/emitter?
[11:55:03] <Jymmm> Ok, found it on amazon, rated at 13K lm... http://www.amazon.com/SecurityIng%C2%AE-5-Modes-13000Lm-Flashlight-Activities/dp/B00IPB88EQ
[11:56:24] <Deejay> so its about 5k real lumen ;)
[11:56:55] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:57:03] <Deejay> hi live-gucker
[11:58:32] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.cree.com/sitecore%20modules/web/~/media/Files/Cree/LED%20Components%20and%20Modules/XLamp/Data%20and%20Binning/XLampXML_EZW.pdf#search=%22t6%22
[11:59:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: All the type models, bins confuse the hell out of me =)
[11:59:38] <Jymmm> newer, older, etc
[12:01:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: so do you like your flashlight?
[12:09:42] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STABLE-UNDER-LONG-TERM-WORK-CNC-3040C-4-AXIS-PCB-S-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-k-/331106880638 hey this one has nuts on the ballscrews for setting the preload
[12:10:44] <Connor> M16, M17 and M18 may be for AIR...
[12:10:45] <CaptHindsight_> I bet this is the design the others try to copy and get wronger
[12:11:14] <Connor> Might try to make my own using remap.. M16 2 second air blast.. M17 Air on, M18 Air Off
[12:13:32] <Connor> CaptHindsight_ Still no bearing for the screw...
[12:14:20] <Connor> Does however look to use unsupported rails.. so, it's not going to have the issue with gantry
[12:14:56] <Connor> I take that back. They have 1 bearing on the far end.. It MIGHT be the load bearing..
[12:15:13] <CaptHindsight_> there's a bearing at each end
[12:15:34] <Connor> Looks like some of the parts might be MDF ??
[12:16:18] <Connor> The way the Z is done is a tad different..
[12:16:32] <CaptHindsight_> nope you're right that's just a coupling
[12:17:15] <Connor> the bearing on the other end has a nut on the outside.. so, they may be using that as the support bearing.. but.. not very well..
[12:17:21] <CaptHindsight_> heh, iy's like they juggle all the things needed to make it right then randomly leave out a few
[12:17:37] <Connor> Or Cheap
[12:17:45] <CaptHindsight_> each one having a few things wrong
[12:18:06] <Connor> Other than that, it's not a bad design.
[12:18:42] <CaptHindsight_> for a few $$ more they could all be assembled correctly, the price difference wouldn't be noticeable
[12:19:09] <Connor> Maybe someone should start making them correctly and selling them...
[12:19:19] <Connor> make a 3020 and a 6040 the RIGHT way.
[12:19:35] <CaptHindsight_> I think that we might be the only ones that notice and care
[12:19:46] <CaptHindsight_> sad to say
[12:19:55] <Connor> A little knowledge goes a long way.. Educate the consumer..
[12:20:34] <CaptHindsight_> a video with a dial indicator on each axis, then just push
[12:22:36] <CaptHindsight_> archivist: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weatherchron-Precision-Ball-Screw-Drive-Assembly-/171301777010 ballscrew clock?
[12:23:30] <Connor> That has some sort of encoder on it..
[12:26:34] <pcw_home> a linear Gray code absolute encoder (a fairly crude one)
[12:27:50] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight yu got all parts of china delivere search for diy its a great plasure
[12:28:47] <CaptHindsight_> the time is now 12:11 exactly beep
[12:29:18] <CaptHindsight_> looks like it's the guts of a automatic weather announcing machine
[12:29:54] <CaptHindsight_> in Chicago it was 555-1212
[12:30:04] <pcw_home> yep more a curiosity than anything else
[12:31:36] <CaptHindsight_> that was directory assistance
[12:31:49] <CaptHindsight_> it was similar for time and also weather
[12:33:46] <pcw_home> so thats the head positioner for the magnetic drum with the (analog) recordings
[12:34:30] <CaptHindsight_> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE2Nlg4NzQ=/z/bmEAAOxy0zhTMiS3/$_57.JPG
[12:35:39] <CaptHindsight_> nixie tubes a few shelves above
[12:37:06] <Gigs-> I finally got my backordered bubble LED displays from sparkfun
[12:37:18] <CaptHindsight_> 16:25:00 , something 44 on the line below
[12:37:26] <Gigs-> before they had them you had to get them on ebay with china post which sucked
[12:37:47] <CaptHindsight_> Gigs-: nixie look LED's?
[12:37:59] <Gigs-> http://phantompinecone.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/led1.jpg
[12:38:04] <Gigs-> yeah like these but new manu
[12:38:22] <Gigs-> kind of look like old vacuum flourescent calculators
[12:38:26] <Gigs-> but they are led
[12:38:35] <CaptHindsight_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12710 found em
[12:38:37] <Gigs-> http://arduous.orcinus.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/LED_title.jpg
[12:38:58] <Gigs-> yeah they finally got their container in it looks like
[12:39:01] <Gigs-> they have a shitload in stock
[12:42:24] <Gigs-> I have a problem with electronic components
[12:43:06] <Gigs-> I probably have $10,000 worth of them, and I still run out of stuff :(
[12:44:49] <Gigs-> anyone here know much about vibratory bowl feeders?
[12:45:22] <_methods> what about the feeders?
[12:46:04] <Gigs-> hard to explain in text, but what is the vibratory pattern that makes parts climb the track?
[12:46:25] <_methods> hrmm you know i don't know exactly
[12:46:40] <Gigs-> I assume it's not just a horizontal eccentric vibrator under it
[12:46:56] <_methods> seems like most of them have 4 springs on the corners
[12:47:05] <_methods> and orbital vibrator underneath
[12:47:20] <_methods> i've never really investigated too much though
[12:47:21] <Connor> Gigs-: what you making ?
[12:47:26] <Gigs-> the question is what the axis is
[12:47:50] <zeeshan> connor
[12:47:52] <Gigs-> not making anything yet, but I got a quote for a vibratory bowl to sort out gun brass and it was $8500 :(
[12:47:54] <zeeshan> did the pump work? :D
[12:48:02] <_methods> yeah they are spendy
[12:48:16] <Gigs-> I was reading an article that it takes years to learn the black voodoo to make bowls sort right
[12:48:33] <Gigs-> so probably not going to wind up attempting my own, but it did make me wonder about the basics
[12:48:36] <Connor> zeeshan: Worked when I hooked it up to the 12v battery charger... Still working on the computer control part..
[12:48:37] <_methods> well alot depends on the part
[12:48:50] <_methods> feed rate
[12:48:53] <_methods> weight
[12:49:14] <zeeshan> so it generates enough head?
[12:49:15] <Gigs-> at least gun brass has a very low center of gravity, if you shake a container of them they all stand up on their own
[12:49:21] <zeeshan> to move the fluid up to the nozzle?
[12:49:31] <Connor> Oh yea.
[12:49:34] <zeeshan> awesome!
[12:49:43] <Gigs-> but sorting various size brass is problematic because they can nest
[12:49:45] <Connor> even works out of my garden house with the spray nozzle too.
[12:49:54] <zeeshan> hah
[12:50:13] <zeeshan> yea i had a good feeling it would work
[12:50:21] <zeeshan> cause you weren't really moving the fluid stupid high
[12:50:37] <Connor> It can be over 7'
[12:50:54] <zeeshan> with coolant you dont even need that high of a flow rate
[12:50:57] <Connor> with the head all the way up.. but, that's with the reduced diameter..
[12:52:30] <_methods> heh for any projects where i've used them they were made by someone else
[12:52:43] <_methods> now you got me all curious about thme
[12:53:02] <_methods> i did a project a couple years ago with one that was feeding pipettes
[12:53:11] <_methods> into a package
[12:53:26] <_methods> would lay them down in rows then get shrink wrapped
[12:56:47] <_methods> interesting catalog for feeder maker
[12:56:49] <_methods> http://www.ntn.co.jp/english/products/pdf/partsfeeder/pdf/PartsFeeder_en.pdf
[12:57:20] <_methods> at page 10 they have a cut away of the feeder interior
[12:59:43] <Gigs-> I'll check that out thanks
[12:59:52] <_methods> yeah heh damn you
[12:59:59] <_methods> now i'm all side tracked on bowl feeders
[13:00:25] <Gigs-> I need a mini screen trommel to clean this stuff too
[13:00:42] <Gigs-> should just wait 1 year until all the wannabe gold miners go out of business
[13:02:11] <_methods> http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/download.aspx?3dmodel=27312
[13:02:44] <_methods> wow big bowl feeder
[13:02:46] <_methods> http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/download.aspx?3dmodel=95009
[13:05:42] <Gigs-> yeah I was reading it has to generally be 7 times the length of the longest part
[13:05:46] <Gigs-> diameter
[13:06:34] <Gigs-> oh so it's not an eccentric at all, it's more like a solenoid
[13:08:35] <_methods> pg72 of that catalog
[13:09:19] <_methods> a lot of it depends on teh part too
[13:12:51] <IchGuckLive> _methods: the vib is good to sort out the students in first month of practice O.o
[13:13:17] <_methods> hehe
[13:13:38] <IchGuckLive> its like bulriding in texas
[13:16:04] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: only for the stupid or drunks?
[13:16:18] <_methods> vibrators are for everyone
[13:16:32] <Jymmm> That's what SHE said!
[13:16:35] <_methods> hahaha
[13:17:52] <Jymmm> _methods: Hwo to piss off your wife/gf in 3 seconds flat... http://s4.live4fun.ru/pictures/s3img_356964748_15162_1.jpg
[13:17:54] <IchGuckLive> i just looked at the universitys in texas there are realy big some well over 100k students
[13:17:56] <Jymmm> How*
[13:18:13] <_methods> heheh
[13:18:14] <Deejay> lol
[13:18:20] <_methods> dats funny
[13:18:41] <_methods> everything in texas is bigger
[13:18:50] <_methods> except the iq
[13:19:29] <humble_sea_bass> THAT'S A COOL display
[13:19:33] <humble_sea_bass> reminds me of nixies
[13:19:45] <IchGuckLive> ok im off have a nice easter weekend if you go for a short holiday !
[13:41:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.specialshit.com/products/
[13:41:27] <shaun413> Yo
[13:41:45] <skroon> hi all
[13:44:20] <CaptHindsight_> Gigs-: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~rudraa/documents/Modelling_of_Vibratory_Feeders.pdf
[13:47:27] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.google.com/patents/US2654465#v=onepage&q&f=false
[13:47:38] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5954185.html
[13:48:47] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.assemblymag.com/articles/84051-parts-feeding-the-black-art-of-tooling-feeder-bowls
[13:49:24] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.eng.morgan.edu/~galexan/IEGR/Parts.htm
[13:50:00] <Gigs-> thanks
[13:55:02] <humble_sea_bass> the carrot in the food production section looks grody
[13:58:25] <JT-Shop> lol
[14:03:21] <_methods> http://www.casio-intl.com/asia-mea/en/calc/survey/fxfd10pro/
[14:03:27] <_methods> man i want one of those for in the shop
[14:03:45] <_methods> with real calculations not gay surveyor crap
[14:04:12] <_methods> with rs-232 cable
[14:04:20] <_methods> so i can send programs to machine
[14:04:53] <humble_sea_bass> omg i have a real bad case of the prog rock today.
[14:05:09] <_methods> irc helps
[14:05:17] <_methods> ...........waste more time
[14:05:58] <humble_sea_bass> Genesis' Lamb Lies DOwn on Broadway is happening and productivity levels are dropping
[14:07:46] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IZw2CoYztk
[14:22:50] <MacGalempsy> hey everyone
[14:23:27] <CaptHindsight_> heh, "machines should work, people should think" now it's "shut up any buy it"
[14:23:32] <MacGalempsy> anyone making cool stuff today?
[14:23:47] <XXCoder> pretty cool http://hackaday.com/2014/04/16/inkjet-transfers-to-wood/#more-119923
[14:24:32] <MacGalempsy> that is pretty cool. make some old school looking crates with that
[14:25:08] <_methods> heh found this in the material shed
[14:25:13] <_methods> gonna make something out of that
[14:25:14] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xy7wg1vmkbza880/2014-04-17%2015.03.12.jpg
[14:26:05] <CaptHindsight_> I think I have a red one of those
[14:26:33] <_methods> apparently it's ceramic impregnated uhmw or hdpe lol
[14:26:39] <_methods> no one seems to know exactly
[14:27:08] <_methods> should be good for my end mills
[14:27:11] <XXCoder> mac yeah whats cool is that its not even hard
[14:27:35] <XXCoder> just buy label sheet, remove all labels, print, carefully transfer, protect done
[14:28:08] <_methods> would be great for wood project enclosure
[14:28:13] <_methods> you could label it with that
[14:28:16] <_methods> and decorate lol
[14:28:58] <_methods> inkjet silkscreen
[14:29:17] <XXCoder> thats what it is basically.
[14:29:24] <XXCoder> however you get all colors
[14:29:29] <_methods> yeah
[14:29:32] <_methods> pretty sweet
[14:29:38] <XXCoder> inkjet colorspace anyway
[14:42:03] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.flickr.com/photos/illgrill/216437370/
[14:42:27] <humble_sea_bass> my screen printing shop. buy was that place a messy ass hellhole
[14:42:51] <_methods> yeah dirty job
[14:43:27] <XXCoder> silk screen?
[14:43:44] <XXCoder> I saw a nice way to do it myself, just might do it evenually lol
[14:44:08] <XXCoder> http://makezine.com/video/diresta-simple-silkscreening/
[14:45:58] <humble_sea_bass> ugh
[14:46:07] <humble_sea_bass> dat publication
[14:48:16] <_methods> yeah just say no
[14:48:53] <humble_sea_bass> well, I'll give him one thing, he is using pro-grade emulsion from Standard Screen supply
[14:49:16] <XXCoder> well it might be crappy for pro, but then I arent one
[14:49:37] <humble_sea_bass> the emulsion isn't crappy, that one is good but has a short shelf life
[14:49:44] <_methods> make magazine's greatest article ever
[14:49:44] <humble_sea_bass> and has to be used in a dark room
[14:49:46] <_methods> http://makezine.com/2013/11/09/grandpa-jakes-homemade-computer/
[14:49:50] <XXCoder> oh
[14:50:05] <XXCoder> so it evenally falls apart by light
[14:50:07] <_methods> i lost what little respect i had left for them at that point
[14:50:29] <humble_sea_bass> no XXCoder , light hardens it
[14:50:43] <XXCoder> to point of brittleness or?
[14:51:27] <humble_sea_bass> well, UV hardens it
[14:52:15] <XXCoder> what problems does it evenually develop
[14:52:39] <humble_sea_bass> as the emulsion ages?
[14:52:44] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:53:31] <humble_sea_bass> you get snot in the pot, which is bad when you're spreading, and sometimes you get pinholes from bubbles, othertimes it is specks because it doesnt wash out
[14:54:15] <XXCoder> oh so light makes it go like that faster
[14:54:54] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.flickr.com/photos/illgrill/2889984643/in/photostream/
[14:55:01] <Loetmichel> _methods: that is/was a guy of my kind ;-)
[14:55:04] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.flickr.com/photos/illgrill/2889984519/in/photostream/
[14:56:08] <XXCoder> ;lol ok
[14:56:19] <XXCoder> what about result - the shirt print or whatever
[14:56:26] <XXCoder> does it last well, ebven when washed?
[14:56:48] <humble_sea_bass> you match the ink to the substrate
[14:57:14] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140417-oxsybio-raises-to-develop-3d-bio-printer-to-print-synthetic-tissue-for-organ-repair.html
[14:57:19] <XXCoder> but does it last? if its something that lasts ponly one wash or something its not worth it
[14:57:40] <humble_sea_bass> I was reading about the printed cancer tumor Captain
[14:58:28] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: plastisol is the most durable ink, but you have to heat cure it with a heat lamp
[14:58:51] <XXCoder> interesting. well its not a project I plan to do soon so no worries lol
[14:58:54] <humble_sea_bass> waterbased lasts ok, but it can be harder to handle if you don't know what's up
[14:59:12] <XXCoder> I just got package :D the electrics system for cnc router
[14:59:23] <CaptHindsight_> inkjet UV ink directly to garment, nobody is using UV cured ink yet
[14:59:24] <XXCoder> 3 nema 23, controller and power source
[15:00:18] <humble_sea_bass> cap, there are a few print shops out west which moved to die sublimation for all over print on a shirt
[15:00:28] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: are the plastisols for garments water based?
[15:00:48] <humble_sea_bass> Plastisol is plastic suspended in real nasty solvents
[15:01:00] <CaptHindsight_> MEK
[15:01:24] <humble_sea_bass> but plastisol never hardens on your screen so you can print and print and not worry
[15:01:29] <CaptHindsight_> did you heat set the plastisol?
[15:01:33] <humble_sea_bass> waterbased, you can't have downtime
[15:01:44] <humble_sea_bass> plastisol is heat set on a conveyor dryer
[15:02:04] <XXCoder> I do see benefits, no downtime on cleaning screen
[15:02:06] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je9nHuRoKoU
[15:02:18] <XXCoder> offset by having to heat em to cure
[15:02:49] <_methods> can you do pizza in there too lol
[15:02:57] <XXCoder> lol
[15:03:09] <CaptHindsight_> I can make UV cured work with thermal inkjet
[15:03:15] <XXCoder> Pizza and cool shirts while you wait!
[15:03:19] <_methods> hahah
[15:03:25] <CaptHindsight_> UV curing is also inexpensive now
[15:03:29] <humble_sea_bass> new soy based inks are UV cured
[15:03:30] <_methods> whole new meaning to getting pizza on yoru shirt
[15:03:42] <humble_sea_bass> and they are nicer, even the waterbased ones have gotten better
[15:03:56] <XXCoder> what print lasts better?
[15:04:05] <XXCoder> I have seen prints fall apart after 2 or 3 washes
[15:04:43] <humble_sea_bass> the best lasting prints I feel, are discharge prints
[15:04:57] <humble_sea_bass> but that ink has formaldehyde, so don't go down that road
[15:05:16] <XXCoder> lol ok
[15:05:27] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTmZ9_slSJM
[15:05:37] <CaptHindsight_> is anyone making a UV cured water based ink for quickly printing t's?
[15:06:11] <humble_sea_bass> yeah. i think the dye sublimation inks are ultimately UV cured
[15:06:29] <CaptHindsight_> dye sub no good
[15:06:34] <CaptHindsight_> no white
[15:06:35] <XXCoder> multicolor cool
[15:06:47] <_methods> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6dlL1U7pl4
[15:07:08] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ooa37XsN4
[15:07:30] <humble_sea_bass> white is a problem for just about all screen prints
[15:07:41] <CaptHindsight_> I was working on inkjets for garment printing 5-10 years ago but lost interest
[15:07:43] <humble_sea_bass> except plastisol, and discharge
[15:08:15] <CaptHindsight_> I can make a water based UV ink for TIJ that works well on dark T's
[15:08:41] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQdPP04qEwU
[15:08:43] <CaptHindsight_> CMYK+W
[15:09:08] <CaptHindsight_> they use an Epson
[15:09:09] <humble_sea_bass> the problem is that printing shirts for others doesn't make you any money
[15:09:31] <XXCoder> if I ever go for it, its not for profit or any business, just for fun
[15:09:53] <humble_sea_bass> dye sublimation is the cheapest option now for all over prints since you don't deal with registration
[15:10:25] <CaptHindsight_> what if you could print a T-shirt in a minute with a modified TIJ printer
[15:11:29] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.vertelife.com/clothing/lookbook.html
[15:11:49] <humble_sea_bass> i did these all over prints a million years ago
[15:11:50] <CaptHindsight_> well you could actually print at 200 feet/minute at 600 dpi CMYK+W with TIJ
[15:12:26] <humble_sea_bass> well, it is something to look into if the overall machine cost isn't insane
[15:12:55] <CaptHindsight_> depends on what I feel like charging
[15:13:18] <humble_sea_bass> if you are doing the prints yourself as a project, blank tee = 1 dollar, and you can charge 4-6 bucks to print it depending on how many colors
[15:14:11] <CaptHindsight_> cartridges are $30ea and last for a few liters , whats the volume of ink per garment?
[15:14:38] <humble_sea_bass> anyhow, if the inks are reasonably priced you can sell it, nd you should develop a prototype for the screen printing expo
[15:15:15] <humble_sea_bass> I never did die sublimation so I can't tell you how much ink goes into one of those prints
[15:15:44] <CaptHindsight_> I'm working on bigger and better things now, but i used to be interested in textile printing
[15:15:50] <humble_sea_bass> plastisol is super opaque, so a gallon costs 30 bux and lasts 2000 shirts usually
[15:16:15] <CaptHindsight_> 1/2000 gallon per shirt per color
[15:16:40] <CaptHindsight_> with inkjet there is no setup time
[15:16:48] <XXCoder> only 30 dollars? dang
[15:16:51] <CaptHindsight_> well just getting the shirt on the form
[15:17:09] <humble_sea_bass> that's usually the problem and most time consuming part
[15:18:11] <CaptHindsight_> 3.75L / 2000 = 1.875mL
[15:19:28] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91pFlO6wwo
[15:19:45] <humble_sea_bass> this is a modern shop
[15:20:09] <CaptHindsight_> single pass 100 shirts per minute, with scanning 1-10
[15:20:53] <CaptHindsight_> yeah screen printing
[15:21:52] <CaptHindsight_> see the speed of the wiper, that is easily the speed of inkjet
[15:22:14] <XXCoder> pretty awesome
[15:22:46] <CaptHindsight_> how many passes do they make for each color?
[15:22:48] <humble_sea_bass> that's pretty fast
[15:23:10] <XXCoder> looked like 2-3 or more dunno
[15:23:14] <CaptHindsight_> with industrial heads we can print in the few meters per second
[15:23:33] <humble_sea_bass> with discharge it is single pass, you match your screen mesh & thickness to determine deposition amount
[15:24:24] <CaptHindsight_> they didn't show it but are they later passed through a heat/dryer
[15:24:46] <humble_sea_bass> with plastisol, you may do 2 passes for the less opaque colors like white and red if you want them to pop, with a little bit of curing in between so the 2nd coat sticks to the 1st
[15:25:32] <CaptHindsight_> what if you could print the shirt and the graphics all at the same time?
[15:25:59] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight_: theres new spray on shirt
[15:26:07] <XXCoder> use that with printing and youre done
[15:26:09] <CaptHindsight_> yes, similar
[15:26:30] <XXCoder> http://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2010/sep/16/spray-on-t-shirt
[15:26:38] <humble_sea_bass> http://kotaku.com/5939210/this-long-lost-nintendo-knitting-machine-would-have-let-you-make-sweaters-with-your-nes
[15:26:50] <XXCoder> better video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZlHqXGz7I
[15:27:34] <humble_sea_bass> no for so many reasons
[15:27:45] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs6xscd5NIA
[15:28:17] <humble_sea_bass> oh those banboo/rayon seamless things
[15:28:21] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqI0RR8g4ug
[15:29:15] <humble_sea_bass> I don't think you're gonna get men to be ok with the material
[15:29:38] <CaptHindsight_> no snaps, no buttons just like Idiocracy
[15:30:47] <CaptHindsight_> http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/maya-rudolph-idiocracy-7e492.jpeg
[15:31:37] <humble_sea_bass> such a good movie
[15:31:38] <CaptHindsight_> I'm a bit disappointed by Mike Judge's new show
[15:32:20] <XXCoder> yeah idiotacy is funny
[15:32:20] <humble_sea_bass> have not caught it
[15:32:47] <CaptHindsight_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_%28TV_series%29
[15:33:07] <XXCoder> watch. bring/wear diapers because you'll need em by laughing
[15:35:08] <CaptHindsight_> so 7-8mL of ink per shirt
[15:35:46] <CaptHindsight_> 1.875mL x 4 colors = 7.5mL
[15:36:22] <humble_sea_bass> how vibrant/opaque can it be, that's kind of important
[15:36:52] <CaptHindsight_> just like plastisol
[15:37:30] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DWc8dUl7Xfo
[15:37:43] <shaun413> HI!
[15:37:58] <CaptHindsight_> plus it can have lots of different textures
[15:38:45] <CaptHindsight_> soft flexible rubbery flat/dull feel to slick and gloss
[15:39:59] <XXCoder> lol good videa
[15:40:02] <CaptHindsight_> so many people we modifying Epson printers that Epson finally made their own printers
[15:41:18] <shaun413> anyone good with thermodynamic design?
[15:41:36] <humble_sea_bass> pee on it
[15:41:36] <zeeshan> why
[15:41:46] <shaun413> Im trying to design somethin
[15:42:00] <zeeshan> whats ur q
[15:42:34] <shaun413> what materials are best for a heatsink?
[15:42:57] <zeeshan> thats heat transfer..
[15:43:06] <zeeshan> look for low thermal conductivity materials
[15:43:11] <zeeshan> aluminum etc
[15:43:25] <XXCoder> copper is best
[15:43:25] <zeeshan> Q = hA*deltaT
[15:43:29] <XXCoder> price though
[15:43:43] <zeeshan> kA*deltaT!
[15:43:51] <XXCoder> I saw hyrid of alum fins with copper core to spread heat to em
[15:43:56] <Jymmm> LN2
[15:44:06] <zeeshan> yea youre trying to increase the surface area
[15:44:11] <zeeshan> youll get better heat transfer that way
[15:44:14] <shaun413> right
[15:44:34] <shaun413> im designing a 3d printer hotend
[15:45:17] <CaptHindsight_> high thermal transfer coefficient
[15:45:25] <CaptHindsight_> low is an insulator
[15:45:44] <humble_sea_bass> if we werent trolled before, this guy is def trolling now
[15:45:49] <zeeshan> hah
[15:45:50] <shaun413> ?
[15:45:55] <shaun413> I am not
[15:46:21] <humble_sea_bass> open your heat transfer book to the 1st page, table of heat transfer coefficients
[15:46:29] <zeeshan> shaun directed miley cyrus's wrecking ball
[15:46:30] <zeeshan> video
[15:47:06] <CaptHindsight_> gold, copper, diamond, aluminum, carbon/graphite are all good heat conductors
[15:47:14] <humble_sea_bass> W/(m2•K)
[15:47:17] <shaun413> right
[15:47:35] <zeeshan> my poops a good conductor
[15:47:38] <CaptHindsight_> I'd suggest aluminum for your application
[15:47:49] <zeeshan> i suggest gold
[15:47:57] <zeeshan> for the $$$$$ factor
[15:49:01] <XXCoder> lol bling rerap
[15:49:38] <shaun413> do you guys see any way to make existing designs betteR?
[15:49:49] <XXCoder> more bling yes
[15:49:52] <zeeshan> yea
[15:49:53] <zeeshan> gold
[15:49:55] <zeeshan> would be sexy
[15:49:57] <shaun413> :/
[15:50:05] <CaptHindsight_> well we can't do all your homework
[15:50:18] <zeeshan> ban ban ban ban
[15:52:45] <humble_sea_bass> add spinnaz to mah heat sinks
[15:57:11] <XXCoder> what a dumbfuck http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/portland-reservoir-be-drained-after-teen-pees-water-n82901
[16:06:47] <CaptHindsight_> peerorist!
[16:07:01] <XXCoder> pee on it
[16:07:27] <CaptHindsight_> I surprise that Homeland Security wasn't called in
[16:07:53] <_methods> they were workin on another leak
[16:07:54] <_methods> lol
[16:08:12] <XXCoder> leak lol
[16:08:14] <CaptHindsight_> buh dum pum
[16:08:43] <_methods> i'll be here all week
[16:24:05] <Jymmm> _methods: Thanks for the warning, or was that a threat?
[16:25:31] <_methods> haha the leak?
[16:25:44] <Jymmm> _methods: "methods: i'll be here all week"
[16:26:17] <_methods> purely threat
[16:26:33] <Jymmm> _methods: Ok, I can live with that
[16:27:03] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, just picked up a Hurco MB-1 over in richmond, ran nice :)
[16:29:48] <Deejay> gn8
[16:32:09] <CaptHindsight_> tjtr33: nice
[16:33:28] <CaptHindsight_> tjtr33: what was it doing in Richmond?
[16:35:08] <tjtr33> machine shop, the guy had a row of 'em, but mostly newer
[16:35:35] <tjtr33> cat 30 holders, a dozen, to fill the atc
[16:36:31] <tjtr33> its nice that all works before i start to hack it up. oh, real prints too, even boards
[16:38:31] <CaptHindsight_> I always pass one up off 12 on the way the lake geneva
[16:40:07] <tjtr33> ok, back to converting hirez jpgs into schematics :) http://imagebin.org/306202 l8r!
[18:04:29] <shaun413> hiii
[18:15:53] cradek changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based opensource CNC control. | Latest release: 2.5.4 | http://www.linuxcnc.org | http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[18:36:48] <XXCoder> if want, support this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1569698176/2000-student-projects-to-the-edge-of-space
[18:43:09] <tjtr33> 2.5.4 YAY! thanks to all the devs!
[18:49:25] <andypugh> Thanks to Chris for pushing it out.
[19:11:15] <shaun967> Hi
[19:13:28] <humble_sea_bass> https://i.imgur.com/4ulJxE5.jpg
[19:15:04] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr9qSGnxG3c
[19:17:40] <GuShH_> humble_sea_bass: ...I don't even want to know how you ended up watching that
[19:17:44] <GuShH_> scary shit.
[19:18:01] <XXCoder> space balls.
[19:18:10] <GuShH_> frozen balls
[19:18:13] <humble_sea_bass> it was linked once, and once you see it, you never forget it
[19:18:29] <XXCoder> ever seen space balls GuShH_
[19:18:32] <humble_sea_bass> and you then realize "of course this happened"
[19:18:38] <XXCoder> rule 34 man
[19:19:03] * GuShH_ walks away
[19:26:49] <R2E4_> rule34?
[19:28:01] <XXCoder> google it
[19:28:09] <XXCoder> rule 34 tank for tame example
[19:28:52] <R2E4_> haha
[19:46:11] <R2E4_> anyone tried those little enco cnc lathes?
[19:46:23] <_methods> link?
[19:48:29] <jdh> skunkworks has/had as few
[19:50:35] <_methods> heh found one with a fanuc control
[19:50:38] <_methods> that's kinda cool
[19:52:13] <_methods> oh man i had one of those in school
[19:52:19] <_methods> just sat in the corner
[19:52:51] <_methods> it was like a slant bed little lathe
[19:55:33] <_methods> http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd131/srankey/IMG_5666.jpg
[19:55:35] <_methods> that one
[19:56:20] <XXCoder> interesting
[19:57:00] <_methods> yeah i think something was wrong with one of the motors and we had real cnc machines so no one ever bothered to get it running i guess
[19:58:48] <jdh> I think his were 5's
[19:59:46] <_methods> yeah when you have a full sized mori lathe to play with little things like that get ignored lol
[20:00:38] <WalterN> heh
[20:00:59] <WalterN> I have a big 30 horsepower lathe, 3" through hole
[20:01:17] <WalterN> with live tooling... its kind of a monster
[20:01:26] <_methods> yeah that's a beast
[20:01:32] <_methods> 3" through
[20:02:08] <_methods> c or y axis?
[20:02:14] <WalterN> C only
[20:02:20] <_methods> nice
[20:02:42] <_methods> c axis is good enough for most everything
[20:02:49] <WalterN> a Y axes would be really nice for half of the stuff we make
[20:03:34] <WalterN> it would take out at least 2 more operations that we do in the mill
[20:03:42] <_methods> ah bummer
[20:04:55] <WalterN> fanuc controller
[20:05:04] <_methods> that y axis is nice when you need it
[20:05:05] <WalterN> meh
[20:05:37] <WalterN> haas makes some Y axes lathes
[20:06:24] <_methods> heh i've honestly never run a haas lathe
[20:06:32] <_methods> plenty of mills but never a haas lathe
[20:06:55] <_methods> mori, mazak, and daewoo lathes
[20:07:03] <WalterN> the place I used to work at had all haas machines... few mills and a few more lathes
[20:07:33] <WalterN> the controller is the same as the mills
[20:07:43] <_methods> yeah we have 2 at work
[20:07:50] <_methods> sl20 and sl40 i think
[20:07:53] <_methods> or sl30
[20:08:42] <_methods> i don't get to run much anymore i'm in the office mainly
[20:08:44] <WalterN> I'm not terribly impressed with any of the commercial controllers that I've seen or used
[20:08:49] <_methods> okuma
[20:08:56] <_methods> their controllers are nice
[20:08:58] <_methods> very nice
[20:08:58] <WalterN> I have one of those
[20:09:07] <WalterN> its alright I guess
[20:09:16] <_methods> haas copied them
[20:09:21] <WalterN> then again its from 1985... heh
[20:09:25] <_methods> oh yeah
[20:09:27] <_methods> no
[20:09:33] <_methods> the new okuma controllers
[20:09:35] <_methods> man
[20:10:01] <_methods> i know at one point they were talkin about putting gibbscam on the controllers
[20:10:19] <WalterN> I suspect once I set up my own machine with linuxCNC I will like linuxCNC so much more than anything I've used
[20:10:22] <_methods> don't know how far that ever got
[20:10:44] <_methods> linuxcnc is nice it reminds me of meldas controllers
[20:10:53] <_methods> even the old meldas were nice
[20:11:04] <_methods> you could copy and paste like windows
[20:11:33] <_methods> i haven't used any of the newer meldas controllers
[20:11:47] <_methods> don't even know what machines use them now
[20:19:59] <R2E4_> haas controllers suck to operate I have been told by a few people.
[20:20:09] <R2E4_> very awkward.
[20:21:00] <PetefromTn_> atually they are QUITE nice and simple...
[20:23:23] <R2E4_> The one at my friends shop, they all hate it.
[20:23:28] <R2E4_> ITs a VF-2 I think
[20:23:55] <_methods> yeah haas pretty much copied the okuma controllers
[20:23:57] <PetefromTn_> Dunno why really it is very simple and easy to use.
[20:24:00] <_methods> so they are pretty nice
[20:24:06] <R2E4_> But all their other machines have fanuc......
[20:24:28] <_methods> the only controller i really don't like is mazak
[20:24:37] <_methods> i don't even mind yasnac
[20:24:52] <_methods> but mazak
[20:24:55] <_methods> :(
[20:25:31] <_methods> some people love the mazatrol shit though
[20:31:59] <R2E4_> Pete: still working at the shop part time?
[20:32:07] <PetefromTn_> yup
[20:33:02] <R2E4_> I have to get back on my machine. took a break for a couple weeks. After two months everyday working on it. I'ts about done, its cutting now though.
[20:33:28] <R2E4_> I really like the contol on it.
[20:38:47] <PetefromTn_> NIce man..been working on other stuff myself. Need to get back on it. My Grandmother is in town this weekend tho so probably gonna be another weekend of not working on it again. Gotta spend time with family.
[20:40:03] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[20:53:22] <jdh> hi pete
[20:54:22] <PetefromTn_Andro> Hey jd
[20:56:59] <jdh> florida sucks
[20:57:07] <jdh> or perhaps it is just disney that sucks
[20:57:51] <PetefromTn_Andro> Oh bite me...
[20:58:26] <PetefromTn_Andro> I will be there soon if I have anything to say about it...
[20:59:34] <jdh> I'd skip the disney part if I were you.
[21:00:07] <ChuangTzu> man, disney blows ass
[21:00:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> Why? We love Disney.....except for the prices.
[21:00:17] <ChuangTzu> i lived in florida for almost a decade and never went to disney
[21:00:29] <ChuangTzu> lived in california for half a decade and never went to disney either :P
[21:00:50] <jdh> my wife loves disney so I am here.
[21:00:59] <ChuangTzu> the other part that sucks is the area within an hour radius of disney
[21:01:17] <jdh> kids are in school so they are there... in the past, I would drop them off in orlando and then spend the week diving.
[21:01:53] <jdh> better craislist machines here than home though.
[21:02:00] <PetefromTn_Andro> I have been all over that area many times.
[21:02:00] <ChuangTzu> heh
[21:02:21] <ChuangTzu> it's also way too hot
[21:02:23] <ChuangTzu> and way too humid
[21:02:29] <ChuangTzu> and way too flat, at least in the southern half
[21:02:33] <ChuangTzu> northern florida is pretty nice
[21:02:42] <ChuangTzu> in the winter
[21:03:13] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well you don't have to live there man I grew up down there and miss the whole place even the humidity.
[21:03:24] <jdh> I spend a lot of time in north florida in teh winter
[21:03:33] <ChuangTzu> i grew up there too and hated it at the time and hate it now :)
[21:03:35] <jdh> and it is hot and humid in the summer at home also
[21:03:48] <ChuangTzu> i almost live in canada now and it's too hot and humid in the summer
[21:04:08] <ChuangTzu> i gotta move west
[21:04:21] <PetefromTn_Andro> It gets pretty damned hot and humid here in Tennessee too....almost as bad as Florida but without the ocean breezes.
[21:04:23] <ChuangTzu> i'd move to alaska if it wasn't so god damn far from everything else
[21:04:51] <PetefromTn_Andro> Been to Alaska several times
[21:04:59] <ChuangTzu> but the amount of time it's hot and humid in florida is longer
[21:05:00] <PetefromTn_Andro> .you can keep it.
[21:05:07] <ChuangTzu> and the humidity is higher longer
[21:05:11] <ChuangTzu> it stays at 99% for months
[21:05:19] <ChuangTzu> so humid that the ocean breeze doesn't do anything
[21:05:23] <ChuangTzu> it's a hot wet breeze
[21:05:27] <PetefromTn_Andro> BS.
[21:05:30] <ChuangTzu> when it rains it just gets more humid
[21:05:42] <ChuangTzu> and it rains every day for half the year
[21:05:52] <ChuangTzu> "sunshine state" my ass
[21:06:01] <PetefromTn_Andro> Its perfect ....wish I had never moved to TN
[21:06:09] <ChuangTzu> you should change your nick then
[21:06:09] <ChuangTzu> :D
[21:06:22] <ChuangTzu> (i am still a florida resident though)
[21:06:32] <ChuangTzu> it's a decent state tax wise and regulation wise
[21:06:52] <PetefromTn_Andro> Oh I WILL just as soon as I sell this damn house. I will be PetefromFla.
[21:06:57] <ChuangTzu> =]
[21:07:11] <jdh> you can be PeterFromFl now. or PeteInTN
[21:07:27] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah but it ain't the same man..
[21:08:01] <PetefromTn_Andro> I miss fishing on the beach and snorkeling and diving and deep sea fishing
[21:08:29] <PetefromTn_Andro> Surfing and just sitting on the beach at night...
[21:09:08] <Dell> .
[21:09:14] <shaun413_> .
[21:09:19] <PetefromTn_Andro> I miss not being around people that are like hey boy you got a pretty mouth...
[21:09:36] <shaun413_> Hey boy, you got a pretty mouth
[21:09:51] <PetefromTn_Andro> Exactly ...
[21:10:34] <PetefromTn_Andro> Paddle faster I hear Banjo music!!
[21:12:29] <PetefromTn_Andro> Speaking of which I gotta repost my house for sale ad.
[21:14:58] <PetefromTn_Andro> Anyway back to our regularly scheduled linuxcnc stuff.
[21:49:48] <shaun413_> Hi
[21:49:55] <shaun413_> Anyone into watchmaking?
[21:50:02] <humble_sea_bass> pee on it
[21:50:08] <shaun413_> Wow
[22:04:37] <toastyde1th> hahahahahahahaha
[22:07:54] <R2E4_> I was born and raised in Clearwater
[22:16:43] <skunkworks_> I smell like garlic.
[22:17:02] <skunkworks_> sorry - what was the subject?
[22:23:59] <shaun413_> Watches
[22:24:29] <XXCoder> urine covered watches apparently
[22:24:52] <shaun413_> Precisely
[22:28:05] <shaun413_> Watch making
[22:28:08] <shaun413_> Anyone do it
[22:28:24] <humble_sea_bass> urea all day err day
[22:28:57] <shaun413_> ™
[22:53:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/mm6dohP.jpg
[22:53:18] <zeeshan> made a small tool rack today
[22:53:20] <zeeshan> =D
[22:54:12] <XXCoder> heh when I first come in your shop was a mess
[22:54:20] <zeeshan> haha yea man
[22:54:20] <XXCoder> its definitely heck of a lot better
[22:54:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/mm6dohP.jpg
[22:54:30] <zeeshan> i added a shelf too
[22:54:55] <zeeshan> im almost at the point
[22:55:01] <zeeshan> where i can finally start working on cncing the lathe again
[22:55:06] <zeeshan> cause i can walk around freely in the garage
[22:57:53] <XXCoder> cool
[22:58:01] <XXCoder> I just got order
[22:58:14] <XXCoder> cnc electric syste,
[22:58:26] <zeeshan> longs motor one?
[22:58:47] <XXCoder> Ill open it tomorrow, see if I can build temp setup so I can run linuxcnc control it
[22:59:06] <XXCoder> if it works properly I'll put it awy till I can get more parts.
[23:01:02] <XXCoder> a sec
[23:01:20] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[23:02:00] <zeeshan> wow
[23:02:03] <zeeshan> it comes with a drive board too
[23:02:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:02:36] <XXCoder> according to ich its fairly crappy
[23:02:44] <XXCoder> he also linked me future upgrade
[23:03:00] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-4-Axis-Driver-2M542-4-2A-Breakout-interface-board-for-Router-system-kit-/250986991782?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6ffd90a6
[23:03:34] <XXCoder> I dont want to buy it till I get knowledgable enough and running cnc for a while
[23:03:54] <zeeshan> i have a similar driver
[23:03:57] <zeeshan> to that
[23:03:58] <zeeshan> but 7A
[23:06:49] <XXCoder> yeah? first or second link?
[23:07:08] <zeeshan> second
[23:07:20] <XXCoder> ahh ok :)
[23:07:46] <XXCoder> Anyway if I do upgrade, its nice that uit leaves me with enough parts to build stuff as long as I buy motors for it
[23:13:47] <XXCoder> Maybe using it to control laser cutter lol
[23:13:59] <XXCoder> I do want to cut cardboard and such
[23:29:39] <WalterN> _methods: I decided on this keypad http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=148419522
[23:30:43] <XXCoder> 404 - File or directory not found.
[23:30:43] <XXCoder> The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
[23:30:59] <XXCoder> it may depend on cookie you have and I dont
[23:31:18] <WalterN> oh maybe
[23:31:36] <XXCoder> it looks like search link, maybe try direct item link
[23:33:15] <WalterN> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/88AB2-152/GH5013-ND/255609
[23:33:45] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:33:54] <XXCoder> does it work like keyboard or what
[23:34:30] <WalterN> just a standard 3x4 keypad
[23:34:45] <WalterN> that should be able to take coolant splashing on it
[23:35:02] <XXCoder> oh I know its keypad, but how does it work?
[23:35:17] <WalterN> matrix style
[23:35:56] <XXCoder> so it's not just usb keyboard device
[23:35:59] <WalterN> it should be like this https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8653
[23:36:24] <WalterN> its just an array of switches
[23:36:33] <WalterN> nothing more
[23:38:02] <WalterN> going to hook that digikey keypad up to one of these https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9061
[23:39:10] <XXCoder> cool
[23:40:20] <XXCoder> well night heh I look forward to tomorrow