#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-16

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[00:30:00] <witnit> Mrhindsight: what do you consider similar? http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Channel-5V-Relay-Shield-Module-for-Arduino-Uno-2560-1280-ARM-PIC-AVR-STM32-/290998441009?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c0dbd431
[00:35:46] <MrHindsight> witnit: similar specs
[00:36:18] <witnit> I have nt then :)
[00:36:20] <witnit> not*
[00:39:04] <MrHindsight> http://www.sainsmart.com/arduino-compatibles-1/relay.html
[00:39:51] <MrHindsight> http://www.futurlec.com/Opto_Relay_4.shtml
[00:39:53] <witnit> what are you building?
[00:42:21] <MrHindsight> cnc machines, printers, inspection equipment, laboratory robots etc etc
[00:42:35] <witnit> I found these ones I really like
[00:42:49] <witnit> they plug directly into the 50 pin spots on the mesa cards
[00:43:06] <witnit> modular I/O
[00:44:26] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Reserve-Controls-Mounting-Board-Digital-2-x-12-1781A24H2-WARRANTY-/390084622577?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item5ad2daf8f1&nma=true&si=AwxpoIL9TfPBMG74FovTUiZ%252Fi90%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[00:46:01] <MrHindsight> http://www.wrcakron.com/
[00:46:27] <witnit> yeah :)
[00:46:52] <MrHindsight> http://www.wrcakron.com/discrete_IO_boards.html
[00:47:12] <MrHindsight> http://www.wrcakron.com/discrete_IO_modules.html
[00:47:16] <witnit> thems pretty
[00:47:34] <witnit> modular is so cool
[00:47:52] <witnit> if you change a piece of hardware and it requires ac instead of dc
[00:47:57] <witnit> just swap
[00:48:00] <witnit> tooooo coool
[00:48:57] <MrHindsight> http://www.opto22.com/site/pr_selector.aspx?cid=4&qs=1003 they are similar to these by opto22, they have been around since at least the early 80's
[00:49:17] <witnit> yeah
[00:49:33] <MrHindsight> http://www.opto22.com/site/pr_selector.aspx?cid=4&qs=1003
[00:49:35] <witnit> I have some potter and brumfields arouind here too
[00:53:13] <witnit> they dont screw down onto the boards though and can vibrate out of place
[01:00:06] <MrHindsight> duct tape
[01:42:39] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDumrWx9cq4
[01:57:09] <Jymmm> Who needs CNC... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyNu8lpQI1g
[03:50:40] <Swapper_> anyone know if g84 would work in linuxcnc ? http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G84-Right-Hand-Tapping
[03:51:01] <Swapper_> seems that my postprocessor will put out that and not g33.1
[03:51:37] <Tom_itx> edit your post
[05:36:42] <Deejay> mahlzeit
[08:33:10] <GuShH_> archivist: can you school me on machinist's files?
[08:34:18] <GuShH_> there's a lot of nicholson files, of course I don't know their state (they might be dull for all I know) but do you reckon they're worth looking at or should I be looking for other brands?
[08:34:38] <GuShH_> I might just tell this guy to bundle everything he's got.
[08:36:17] <GuShH_> there's a lot of about 300 pieces including endmills, center drills, deburring bits, taps, etc. for about 70 cents a pop
[08:36:32] <GuShH_> they might be in excellent condition, given his bits were.
[08:36:54] <GuShH_> if you were to buy all of that new it would cost you a car.
[08:40:04] <GuShH_> not sure on twist drills... he's got a nice set
[08:40:26] <GuShH_> some big morse taper ones too, things I can't buy cheap now adays or just isn't the same quality as it used to be.
[09:52:00] <archivist_herron> I like to feel a file before I buy unless it is a special type
[09:53:05] <archivist_herron> we dont see nicholson over here so never used one but have seen them mentioned in other places
[09:53:48] <archivist_herron> dont mix your files for brass and steel
[10:16:04] <archivist_herron> and...machinist use a file....whatever next
[10:56:35] <Connor> Bug 337 ?
[10:58:45] <Connor> Mischan
[10:58:55] <shaun413_> Hi
[11:09:26] <ReadError> swiss files i have come to like
[11:30:29] <PetefromTn_Andro> What kinda tap handles do you guys use?
[11:33:30] <Connor> I've been known to use a crescent wrench
[11:37:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> LOL.
[11:37:10] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_Andro: the ratchet from HF
[11:38:10] <MrHindsight> their taps are almost the correct sizes, only useful in a last resort situation
[11:38:21] <PetefromTn_Andro> I have some Vermont American ones I thought were good but one of the guys here has some general tools models #166 and 164 and they are pretty damn nice. They also make ratcheting ones but I am not sure I would want that.
[11:41:51] <MrHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/t-handle-tap-ratchet-wrench-97633.html works amazing well for larger taps, it can't hold 4mm or lower
[11:42:07] <MrHindsight> https://www.shars.com/products/view/18851/0__14quot_THandle_Ratchet_Tap_Wrench pretty flimsy
[11:44:31] <MrHindsight> http://www.irwin.com/tools/taps-dies-sets/t-handle-ratcheting-tap-wrenches I have trouble with the smaller taps not holding or stripping the chuck/jaws
[11:46:11] <MrHindsight> Vermont American Tap Wrench #0 - 1/2" always gets loose, jaws wear quickly
[11:46:22] <MrHindsight> http://www.menards.com/main/tools-hardware/power-tool-accessories/threading-tools/tap-wrench-0-1-2/p-1477145-c-10160.htm
[11:46:56] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah I know which is why I asked this question. I think I am gonna order some of these general brand tap handles..they are nice!!
[11:47:12] <MrHindsight> let me know how they work out
[11:47:55] <MrHindsight> I need a good one for 10-24/4mm and lower taps
[11:48:30] <humble_sea_bass> [M#B)
[11:51:00] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well like I said I have Bermuda
[11:52:08] <PetefromTn_Andro> Been using this guys handle here lately for finishing some rigid tapped holes to depth and they are pretty nice. Nothing earth shattering but I am impressed enough that I want some LOL.
[11:53:28] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161274352855 I think we used to have some of those years ago
[11:55:15] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/310929803117 no skimpy jaws here to wear out
[11:55:56] <MrHindsight> even the ruler in the pic looks vintage
[11:56:32] <Connor> I loved those old stile rulers with the brass insert...
[11:57:06] <MrHindsight> I have to look for one of those now
[11:57:37] <PetefromTn_Andro> I just like the feel of these they are nice quality. For up to around a half inch or slightly more tap.then I like the straight handles..
[11:57:38] <MrHindsight> first day of school, new wooden ruler and pencils
[11:58:37] <MrHindsight> and denim covered 3 ring binders
[12:01:45] <MrHindsight> Connor: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-STRATLINE-12-wood-ruler-INCHES-METRICS-w-Angles-Chart-on-Back-/141238616280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e27a40d8
[12:02:18] <Connor> I don't see the brass insert...
[12:03:31] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Inch-30-cm-Metal-Edge-Wood-Ruler-/360778716734?pt=US_Measuring_Layout_Tools&hash=item540016563e the new ones look like steel edge
[12:04:09] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Westcott-12-Beveled-Wood-Ruler-w-Single-Brass-Edge-/370968094792?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item565f6be848
[12:04:32] <Connor> not vintage though.
[12:04:37] <MrHindsight> almost next door to me
[12:05:35] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Wood-3-Sided-Ruler-U-S-Std-Lot-of-2-/321378047881?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad39fd789 we had these for drafting class
[12:06:26] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-18-Wood-Metal-Edge-Printer-Ruler-Advertising-Troy-Hudson-Valley-Paper-Co-NY-/161277596534?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258ce4d376 vintage and brass edge but 18" vs 12"
[12:08:25] <Connor> Brings back memories...
[12:15:53] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wells-Greenfield-No-20-Tap-Die-Set-Handle-Vintage-/251479246564
[12:33:27] <PetefromTn_Andro> Lord this is a boring ass day....not much programming to do mostly we just got a bunch of small number parts runs to complete. CNC milling hell....
[12:37:47] <XXCoder> lol\
[12:38:33] <PetefromTn_Andro> Oh ya think that's funny do ya Hehe
[12:38:35] <jthornton> small number parts runs, your lucky I'm usually one offs
[12:38:50] <jthornton> I'm happy to get more than 1 part to make...
[12:38:55] <PetefromTn_Andro> I'm talking three hundred or so....
[12:39:05] <PetefromTn_Andro> So would I be.
[12:39:25] <PetefromTn_Andro> But this is not for MY shop unfortunately.
[12:41:32] <Jymmm> jthornton: No multiple orders for your sex toy?
[12:41:38] <_methods> haha
[12:42:21] <Jymmm> _methods: You think I'm kidding, it looks like one
[12:42:23] <PetefromTn_Andro> Man I'd be happy as hell to get even a small fraction of the work they get in here..
[12:42:36] <_methods> now i'm scared
[12:43:13] <Jymmm> _methods: No need to be scared, unless you dont have lube
[12:43:19] <_methods> hahah
[12:44:20] <_methods> all i have is cosmoline..........
[12:45:57] <Jymmm> jthornton: I am semi-serious, you should consider the possibility. "For Novelty Purposes Only". Think like mech bull in country saloon, but for adult venues =)
[12:49:57] <PetefromTn_Andro> So nobody here has ever heard of a Marconi Fast Tracer lathe then?
[12:50:10] <_methods> new one to me
[12:50:48] <_methods> sounds italian
[12:50:58] <_methods> never buy italian machines
[12:52:21] <PetefromTn_Andro> They have one here that is broken somehow and it looks like a decent machine for retrofit.
[12:52:36] <_methods> eh if it's italian it will be broken
[12:52:48] <_methods> that's a sure sign of it's italianness
[12:53:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> Says made in Brazil..
[12:53:27] <_methods> haha
[12:53:32] <_methods> you're good then
[12:53:34] <_methods> lol
[12:53:43] <PetefromTn_Andro> Oh and I am Italian so mind the wisecracked LOL ;)
[12:53:54] <_methods> heheheh
[12:54:03] <zeeshan> italian tools work great
[12:54:09] <zeeshan> what are you talking about !~
[12:54:30] <_methods> im just jokin
[12:54:36] <PetefromTn_Andro> Older Nardini CNC lathe
[12:54:51] <_methods> i do avoid italian tools though
[12:55:05] <_methods> they don't have the best track record in my experience
[12:55:42] <_methods> and that is my personal opinion with no science to back it up
[12:55:47] <zeeshan> what do you guys think of digital mics?
[12:55:55] <_methods> i have some
[12:55:59] <zeeshan> i came across a person whos selling a bunch of mitutoyo digimatic
[12:56:05] <_methods> they are good
[12:56:07] <zeeshan> i don't see them being talked about much on the forums
[12:56:11] <_methods> can't go wrong with mit
[12:56:11] <zeeshan> mostly people have analog
[12:56:33] <_methods> i have analog mit mics and digital
[12:56:51] <zeeshan> he only has em in 0-1 2-3 and 1-2
[12:56:59] <zeeshan> it seems like the bigger sizes are rare in digital
[12:57:00] <_methods> i really like the mit better than my starrets
[12:57:14] <zeeshan> _methods: i agree, i sold my starretts last week
[12:57:24] <_methods> i like my starrets dont' get me wrong
[12:57:25] <zeeshan> i bought them with all the hype that they're starrett
[12:57:34] <_methods> but i grab my mits first usually
[12:57:34] <zeeshan> and they don't even have a lock mechanism thats easy to use
[12:57:55] <_methods> my mits have the slip thimble
[12:58:08] <_methods> my starrets are old school no slip
[12:58:25] <_methods> not really fair to compare that
[12:58:27] <zeeshan> i don't mind either ratchet thimble or friction
[12:58:30] <zeeshan> same to me
[12:58:38] <zeeshan> but the lock mechanism is completely different
[12:58:53] <_methods> yeah
[12:58:53] <zeeshan> the knurled round lock vs cam style lock
[12:59:06] <_methods> yeah
[12:59:23] <_methods> if i'm doing production i prefer my digital
[12:59:37] <_methods> but one off or set up i'll use my vernier
[13:00:05] <zeeshan> i do this stuff as a side thing..
[13:00:10] <zeeshan> maybe i dont need digital :)
[13:00:15] <archivist> mostly I use my mit digital vernier
[13:00:20] <_methods> yeah if you are not going to use them alot
[13:00:23] <_methods> better vernier
[13:00:25] <_methods> no batteries
[13:00:59] <archivist> I use the inch/metruc conversion and also the 0 offset all the time
[13:01:01] <zeeshan> a friend showed me an interesting article today
[13:01:20] <_methods> yes the inch/metric on digital is nice
[13:01:21] <zeeshan> http://www.woodturninglearn.net/articles/ToolSteel.pdf
[13:01:21] <archivist> manual mics cannot do that trick
[13:01:26] <_methods> especially if you work on mixed systems
[13:01:29] <zeeshan> hss steel tools bits are not always hss steel :P
[13:01:41] <Jymmm> archivist: I never thought of those before
[13:01:44] <zeeshan> its funny how grizzly is the only place that actually sells genuine hss tool bits
[13:01:49] <zeeshan> in comparison to the other brands tested
[13:01:51] <_methods> yeah i have metric mics too
[13:01:54] <zeeshan> (including some american ones)
[13:02:00] <_methods> metric dial calipers
[13:02:36] <zeeshan> america made in china ones i mean
[13:02:36] <zeeshan> :P
[13:02:39] <PetefromTn_Andro> What do your digital mice read to?
[13:02:55] <PetefromTn_Andro> Mics
[13:02:59] <zeeshan> the digimatics are rated to 0.00005"
[13:03:18] <zeeshan> http://www.mitutoyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/B-US-1002.pdf
[13:03:27] <zeeshan> page 3 right side
[13:03:28] <PetefromTn_Andro> They read y
[13:03:43] <PetefromTn_Andro> They read to that or they are accurate to that?
[13:03:49] <zeeshan> accurate to that
[13:03:58] <zeeshan> it says
[13:04:10] <zeeshan> 0.00005 resolution , accuracy +/-0.00005
[13:04:11] <zeeshan> so nm
[13:04:22] <archivist> proper carbide anviles on the mits
[13:04:23] <zeeshan> accurate within 0.0001 " then
[13:04:26] <zeeshan> like a standard mic..
[13:07:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Interesting the Guy who runs the lathe has several digital mics by mitutoyo..
[13:08:47] <archivist> I find the constant cleaning of the anvil a pain
[13:09:24] <zeeshan> need anvil wipers!
[13:09:35] <archivist> shirt
[13:09:47] <humble_sea_bass> precision cotton shirt
[13:10:15] <archivist> white paper is good as you can see the turds you got off the anvil
[13:11:17] <humble_sea_bass> i once got a massive box of lens paper off ebay, i should dig it up
[13:12:19] <PetefromTn_Andro> My bad he has SPI digital mics that are coolant proof..says he likes them they also have the digital output.
[13:12:19] <_methods> oh man
[13:12:23] <_methods> lens paper is awesome
[13:12:34] <_methods> i used to keep tons of it when i was workin on laser
[13:12:38] <_methods> cleaning the focal lenses
[13:13:05] <archivist> the rusty mic I found under the fridge yesterday seems to measure within a could of tenths after cleaning
[13:14:27] <_methods> measuring your ketchup bottles again?
[13:14:44] <humble_sea_bass> >>under the fridge
[13:15:39] <XXCoder> checking cockroaches sizez?
[13:15:42] <XXCoder> sizwes
[13:15:47] <archivist> the kitchen is not just for food :)
[13:15:47] <XXCoder> sizes jeez lol
[13:15:51] <_methods> in the name of science
[13:16:15] <archivist> the little cnc lathe is in there
[13:16:27] <humble_sea_bass> when he demands thin sliced ham at the deli, you best belive he checks
[13:16:32] <_methods> hahahahha
[13:16:47] <XXCoder> My ham must be 1 mm to 0.0005 tolence~!
[13:16:59] <PetefromTn_Andro> You have a little CNC lathe in your kitchen?
[13:17:06] <_methods> doesn't everyone?
[13:17:14] <XXCoder> pototo peeler cnc lathe>? ;)
[13:19:35] <archivist> I need a workshop to move stuff into really, but being old free and single, use whatver space I have
[13:19:43] <PetefromTn_Andro> You're my hero man ;)
[13:19:45] <XXCoder> I think everyones trying to patent that idea at once lol
[13:20:05] <_methods> dude propane torch, hotdog, lathe............
[13:20:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Have you seen some of the mech apple/potato peelers? Some of them are pretty ingenious!
[13:20:27] <_methods> that's what i use my kitchen lathe for
[13:20:34] <XXCoder> yeah but hey cnc lathe peeler. you could make unusual apple or pototo shapes lol
[13:20:46] <XXCoder> like penis for adult parities :P
[13:21:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Uh, what ptatos have YOU been buying?
[13:21:20] <_methods> hahahah
[13:21:28] <XXCoder> lol
[13:21:37] <PetefromTn_Andro> When I was a kid my teacher had us make a solar hot dog cooker with some wood and piece of polished sheetmetal and a stainless rod rotisserie thing.
[13:21:47] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Most I've seen in the stores are like 5" on the longest edge
[13:22:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Not very "party like" I'd think
[13:22:28] <XXCoder> lol can be larger here
[13:22:31] <PetefromTn_Andro> Jymm man you got issues my friend...ISSUES!!
[13:22:44] <XXCoder> he probably owns a suv lol
[13:22:46] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Now, get one of those overgrown zucinnies
[13:22:54] <XXCoder> + large wheels ;)
[13:23:07] <Jymmm> XXCoder: canelops
[13:23:52] <Jymmm> XXCoder: WTH does a SUV have to do with anything?
[13:24:42] <XXCoder> heh around here big suv with large wheels tend to be owned by "small" men
[13:24:59] <XXCoder> so I was making stupid joke. sorry heh
[13:25:38] <Jymmm> XXCoder: No, no, I just didn't get the context is all =) Yes, I DO own an SUV, but I'm 6'4" is why.
[13:25:45] <PetefromTn_Andro> Hey my wife drives an Isuzu Trooper man...
[13:25:57] <XXCoder> oh small pototoes heh
[13:26:09] <Jymmm> lol
[13:26:34] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I did drive a Miata once though =)
[13:26:40] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy8Yt-P614w
[13:26:51] <_methods> don't take a selfie next to a moving train
[13:27:01] <XXCoder> isnt it cramped
[13:27:21] <XXCoder> hes fucking lucky it was a tap
[13:27:40] <Jymmm> XXCoder: top down, around the airport, my neck was ABOVE the windshield, looked like I was driving a clown car. So I was honking the horn waving at everyone =)
[13:27:46] <_methods> everyone doing a selfie should get that
[13:28:01] <_methods> i'd pay to have that train just drive around doin that
[13:28:08] <XXCoder> _methods: expecially when duckface
[13:28:19] <XXCoder> duck gets the axe
[13:28:26] <_methods> hahah
[13:28:40] <XXCoder> ow jy lol
[13:28:51] <XXCoder> I'm more or less average at 5' 10"
[13:31:09] <_methods> that one went straight to my G+
[13:31:26] <PetefromTn_Andro> I'm just a touch under 6'...
[13:32:38] * syyl_ws pulls out the calc to convert it to metric units
[13:33:33] <syyl_ws> ah, 6'4" is 1,93m
[13:33:35] <syyl_ws> fine :D
[13:36:44] <PetefromTn_Andro> That Nardini lathe has those manual CNC handles on it. Might be a PIA..
[13:36:47] <_methods> is it bad that i want to go drive trains now?
[13:38:17] <Jymmm> _methods: Every kid (at heart) always does =)
[13:38:32] <_methods> hahah
[13:38:52] <_methods> drive trains around all day kickin retards in the head.........
[13:39:00] <_methods> hey kinda sounds like my job now
[13:39:04] <Jymmm> _methods: Except me, I wanted to drive test rockets for land speed records instead =)
[13:39:17] <_methods> that boot would really hurt
[13:39:24] <XXCoder> bad duckfaces http://www.rounds.com/blog/25-worst-cases-duckface/
[13:39:31] <syyl_ws> hope you dont get the exploding rockets ;)
[13:39:45] <Jymmm> syyl_ws: Me too =)
[13:40:13] <Jymmm> Or the guy that jumped from outter space, I'd do that in a heartbeat!!!
[13:40:37] <Jymmm> in a squirrel suit!!!
[13:40:54] <PetefromTn_Andro> Flying squirrel suit...
[13:41:04] <syyl_ws> if the rocket is brought to you by wile e. coyote, you might be careful
[13:41:23] <Jymmm> syyl_ws: true enough!
[13:41:26] <syyl_ws> ;)
[13:41:35] <syyl_ws> oh, the guy that can do one thing?
[13:41:39] <syyl_ws> react to gravity
[13:41:56] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_Andro: No, furry suit baby!!! Wanna see it's tail???
[13:42:25] <PetefromTn_Andro> ;)
[13:42:27] <_methods> hahah
[13:42:34] <Jymmm> lol
[13:42:35] * syyl_ws backs off
[13:42:55] * Jymmm rubs up on syyl_ws OH BABY!!!
[13:43:09] <syyl_ws> thats kinda strange ;)
[13:43:15] <Jymmm> syyl_ws: Got Nuts?
[13:43:19] <Jymmm> syyl_ws: what's that?
[13:43:36] <syyl_ws> haslenuts?
[13:43:55] <Jymmm> Sure, or pecans
[13:44:16] <syyl_ws> time to leave ;)
[13:44:16] <Jymmm> Have you see the cost of nuts these days?! avg of $9/lb
[13:44:40] <Jymmm> I was going to make spiced nuts at xmas, but yeow!
[13:45:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Have you ever gotten a sharp piece of dwarf down your pants poking you in the ass cheek that you cannot seem to find???
[13:45:42] <XXCoder> uhhh
[13:45:49] <XXCoder> sharp peice of dwarf
[13:46:00] * Jymmm steps behind XXCoder in fear of PetefromTn_Andro
[13:46:03] <PetefromTn_Andro> LOL swarf
[13:46:18] <XXCoder> hey no stepping BEHIND me Jymmm
[13:46:34] <Jymmm> Freudian slip there PetefromTn_Andro???
[13:46:58] <PetefromTn_Andro> :D
[13:47:09] <Jymmm> XXCoder: STFU, if I was gay, you have a flat ass anyway =)
[13:47:30] <XXCoder> lol
[13:49:58] <Jymmm> Man, the only thing I don't care for ordering from HK is getting anxiety for the new toys to arrive! It's like a kid on Dec 1st!!!
[13:50:13] <Jymmm> s/anxiety/anxious/
[13:50:21] <_methods> hk?
[13:50:23] <PetefromTn_Andro> HK?
[13:50:30] <Jymmm> HK = Hong Kong
[13:50:35] <_methods> ah
[13:50:40] <_methods> yeah shipping..........
[13:50:42] <_methods> forever
[13:50:45] <PetefromTn_Andro> Quality...
[13:50:47] <XXCoder> I'm still waiting on my electrics for cnc lol
[13:50:50] <XXCoder> motors and such
[13:51:10] <Jymmm> No, not the delay, just giddy waiting for the stuff =)
[13:51:52] <ReadError> I always pay the extra for DHL or UPS
[13:51:55] <_methods> i just got my x2 minimill from harbor fright today
[13:52:27] <PetefromTn_Andro> Why?
[13:52:42] <_methods> why the x2
[13:52:46] <_methods> ?
[13:52:56] <PetefromTn_Andro> ;)
[13:53:06] <XXCoder> his clone also need one
[13:53:06] <Connor> _methods: I'll ask.. why X2 and not the G0704 ? :)
[13:53:07] <_methods> cause i don't want a full mill in my garage
[13:54:01] <_methods> it's for messin around on and beer drinking
[13:54:30] <XXCoder> heh stupid april 1st fool joke - mill a beer can out of solid alum stock rod
[13:54:36] <Connor> G0704 isn't a full mill.. not like a knee mill or anything.. it's just the next size up.
[13:54:44] <XXCoder> make it accurate enough it'll have heft of full beer but well
[13:55:00] <_methods> yeah i didn't want to spend more than 400
[13:55:13] <_methods> the g0704 is like $1k isn't it
[13:55:20] <PetefromTn_Andro> Its not even a half mill LOL..
[13:56:10] <_methods> it's so teeny tiny
[13:56:12] <_methods> it's funny
[13:56:25] <_methods> not looking forward to cleanin off the damn cosmoline though
[13:58:01] <PetefromTn_Andro> Sharp piece of dwarf.
[13:58:32] <syyl-> as long as its not a hot dwarf
[13:58:33] <syyl-> Oo
[13:59:13] <_methods> get a kiddie pool and fill it with wd40
[13:59:42] <shaun413> Someone going swimming?
[14:00:08] <Jymmm> _methods: WTF?!
[14:00:14] <_methods> heheh
[14:00:28] <_methods> cosmoline bathtub
[14:00:36] <Jymmm> _methods: olive oil and sheet of plastic!
[14:00:46] <_methods> olive oil works pretty good?
[14:00:49] <_methods> never tried that one
[14:01:02] <syyl-> :D
[14:01:09] <XXCoder> heh kids that swim in wd40 pool would be in dire straits
[14:01:26] <_methods> especially once i get out the bottle rockets
[14:01:43] <syyl-> this channel is a bit strange today
[14:01:46] <syyl-> wait
[14:01:47] <syyl-> today?
[14:01:53] <XXCoder> olive oil has so much problems with mafia
[14:02:08] <XXCoder> some gets replaced with cheaper oil, so on
[14:02:24] <_methods> olive oil has problems or italy has problems lol
[14:02:33] <PetefromTn_Andro> Cracks me up...
[14:02:49] <_methods> heheh
[14:11:08] <shaun413> :/
[14:11:11] <shaun413> Wtf
[14:20:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> I think I am addicted to my kids Gummy treats....
[14:20:21] <_methods> watch out for the sugar free ones
[14:20:22] <XXCoder> lol
[14:20:55] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Gummi-Bears-Sugar-Free/dp/B000EVQWKC/ref=sr_1_3?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1397675003&sr=1-3&keywords=sugar+free+gummy+bears
[14:21:01] <_methods> the comments are classic
[14:21:03] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Gummi-Bears-Sugar-Free/product-reviews/B000EVQWKC?pageNumber=5
[14:21:07] <PetefromTn_Andro> They're so yummy I eat em for snacks
[14:23:16] <shaun413> Hahahaha
[14:23:34] <Jymmm> XXCoder: did you try them?
[14:23:41] <XXCoder> lol $140
[14:23:43] <XXCoder> heck no
[14:24:05] <_methods> that's a shit ton of gummi bears hahah
[14:24:06] <Jymmm> HOLY FSCK $140 ?!?!?!?
[14:24:07] <PetefromTn_Andro> .actually I should have said fruit snack gummies
[14:24:07] <XXCoder> I got iron guts but even so, i wonder if I could stand it lol
[14:24:08] <_methods> pun intended
[14:25:08] <MrHindsight> did anyone ever make that Gummy Bear printer?
[14:25:43] <Jymmm> XXCoder: they are NOT habinero, that's the BRAND NAME
[14:25:59] <Jymmm> "Haribo"
[14:26:09] <XXCoder> huh
[14:26:14] <XXCoder> never said it was or wasnt
[14:26:28] <shaun413> Lol
[14:26:30] <Jymmm> oh, though tyou were implying it
[14:26:35] <MrHindsight> http://3dpreport.com/yummy-gummies-of-your-man-3d-printed-gummy-bears-fab-cafe-japan/ but I think they just printer moulds/molds
[14:27:00] <Jymmm> http://www.geekosystem.com/habanero-chili-gummy-bears/
[14:27:04] <Jymmm> Now, THOSE are =)
[14:27:58] <XXCoder> just over $10
[14:28:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Yeah, some of them just use capsaicin oil.
[14:29:05] <Jymmm> SCREW THAT!!!
[14:29:19] <PetefromTn_Andro> There needs to be a school to teach people how to blow coolant and chops off machined parts without getting a shower and sharp dwarfs in your shorts LOL..
[14:29:32] <XXCoder> lol
[14:30:19] <PetefromTn_Andro> Never gets old...
[14:30:27] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_Andro: You keep saying "dwarfs", I still think it's a Freudian slip, and that you just have a little people fetish!
[14:30:42] <XXCoder> sharps fetish too. :P
[14:31:02] <PetefromTn_Andro> Hehehe you may be onto something LOL
[14:31:08] <MrHindsight> nothing worse than a dull dwarf in your shorts
[14:31:22] <Jymmm> Yeah, Edge Play is not something I'm into in the least.
[14:31:33] <_methods> a shower with dwarfs........
[14:31:50] <_methods> tennessee
[14:33:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.hotsauce.com/16-Million-PURE-Capsaicin-Crystals-1-0ml-p/hsc-16-million-crystals1.0.htm
[14:33:18] <XXCoder> highest I ever went was 200k
[14:33:34] <_methods> jesus
[14:33:34] <XXCoder> it was damn delious
[14:33:36] <Jymmm> NICE... comes with gloves and face mask!
[14:33:37] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah I am either REALLY frickin bored or I need to seek some professional help hehehe.
[14:34:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_Andro: Go find a coupel of drawfs
[14:34:16] <PetefromTn_Andro> :D
[14:35:08] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: Your both.
[14:36:02] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah man I guess so LLL
[14:36:37] <shaun413_> hello!
[14:39:02] <PetefromTn_Andro> Anybody ever been to the big aquarium in Chattanooga?
[14:40:04] <Jymmm> I've only been to the Monterey Bay Aquarium
[14:40:06] <shaun413_> i have some in my basement
[14:40:09] <shaun413_> does that count
[14:40:21] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_Andro: Bass Pro Shop?
[14:40:27] <_methods> haha
[14:40:55] <PetefromTn_Andro> LOL no my wife wants to take us to that big aquatic exhibit in Chattanooga
[14:41:14] <shaun413_> cool
[14:41:18] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I like that they ship it in an aluminum pill canister =)
[14:41:32] <MrHindsight> shaun413: did you ever pick out a lathe?
[14:41:34] <XXCoder> toxic waste lol
[14:41:39] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_Andro: bring a fishing pole?
[14:42:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_Andro: You might catch a dwarf or two
[14:43:05] <PetefromTn_Andro> Hehehe
[14:43:44] <shaun413_> anyone use soldiwroks here?
[14:44:50] <PetefromTn_Andro> Gotta go
[14:45:04] <MrHindsight> shaun413: yes
[14:46:23] <shaun413_> MrHindsight, what version?
[14:46:29] <shaun413_> Im having trouble making renders look real
[14:46:41] <MrHindsight> probably the latest
[14:46:43] <shaun413_> http://imgur.com/Qax6MBq
[14:46:45] <shaun413_> example
[14:47:10] <shaun413_> looks bad
[14:47:17] <MrHindsight> shaun413: yeah, the built in tools only go so far and it takes a bit of experience and playing with lighting
[14:47:40] <archivist> "real enough" is what it does
[14:48:54] <shaun413_> does that look ok?
[14:49:15] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTd9Qvrgz5s jump to the end to see about how it can get
[14:49:53] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDH_WjPwXoQ or this one
[14:50:51] <shaun413_> looks better than mine
[14:50:59] <shaun413_> Im using photoworks360 on 2010
[14:51:04] <shaun413_> is the new one better?
[14:51:46] <MrHindsight> they did get better
[14:51:57] <shaun413_> :/
[14:52:02] <MrHindsight> watch some of the video howto's
[14:52:33] <MrHindsight> pretty sure 2010 wasn't too bad but that was 4-5 versions ago
[14:52:41] <shaun413_> hm
[14:52:49] <shaun413_> they witched to photoview after 2010
[14:52:51] <shaun413_> iirc
[14:54:45] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo7cKZSgWZY this was with Photoview360
[14:55:31] <shaun413_> yeah
[14:55:34] <shaun413_> doesnt look as good
[15:00:20] <_methods> http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/16/showbiz/rapper-severed-penis/
[15:00:26] <_methods> its gonna be a wild month
[15:01:13] <MrHindsight> http://embody3d.com/2010/05/03/what-is-the-best-rendering-program-for-solidworks-photoview-360-maxwell-render-keyshot-photoworks/
[15:06:51] <GuShH_> shaun413: what kind of ripoff hotend is that? heh
[15:07:06] <shaun413_> its a shaunhead
[15:07:08] <GuShH_> couldn't be more wasteful to machine that block
[15:07:19] <GuShH_> interrupted cuts.... yey...
[15:07:25] <shaun413_> i think you know what that is
[15:07:47] <GuShH_> I know.
[15:07:53] <shaun413_> how can I improve
[15:08:00] <GuShH_> start from scratch
[15:08:21] <GuShH_> shaun413: any idea I might give you will involve a milling machine.
[15:08:21] <ReadError> lol
[15:08:27] <shaun413_> hmm
[15:08:33] <shaun413_> well ill have to get one then
[15:08:36] <ReadError> thats the hot end you made?
[15:08:42] <shaun413_> why?
[15:08:51] <ReadError> how is that original?
[15:08:53] <shaun413_> what do you think of it?
[15:08:56] <GuShH_> haha
[15:09:00] * GuShH_ rofls
[15:09:04] <ReadError> looks like someone elses shit
[15:09:11] <shaun413_> whos?"
[15:09:13] <GuShH_> ReadError: uh huh.
[15:09:25] <ReadError> shaun413: well, I have 2 of them here
[15:09:44] <GuShH_> starts with J is the hint.
[15:09:55] <shaun413_> Ihmm?
[15:10:05] <sabotender> damn it. I lost the link to the router I was going to get
[15:10:07] <GuShH_> that's just a jhead design
[15:10:10] <shaun413_> oh
[15:10:15] <shaun413_> no thats an S-head
[15:10:20] <GuShH_> it's a jhead.
[15:10:25] <ReadError> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/a/ac/Insertresistor.jpg
[15:10:25] <shaun413_> slightly shitter
[15:10:28] <shaun413_> shead
[15:10:28] <ReadError> ding ding
[15:10:29] <GuShH_> square offset block single piece, jhead
[15:10:31] <ReadError> GuShH_ :)
[15:10:42] <GuShH_> shaun413: it's a bad design.
[15:10:46] <shaun413_> oh
[15:10:50] <shaun413_> well whats better?
[15:10:55] <ReadError> how about
[15:10:58] <shaun413_> works for me
[15:10:58] <ReadError> you make your own
[15:11:00] <GuShH_> something we won't be sharing.
[15:11:19] <shaun413_> why is it bad at least?
[15:11:29] <ReadError> 1st of all
[15:11:32] <GuShH_> machining wise? do I need to spell it out?
[15:11:35] <ReadError> he has a mill
[15:11:37] <shaun413_> well
[15:11:41] <ReadError> hes told me he has a mill.
[15:11:43] <shaun413_> it is a PITA to machine it
[15:11:46] <GuShH_> shaun has a mill?
[15:11:50] <ReadError> no
[15:11:52] <shaun413_> ReadError, no brian does
[15:11:55] <GuShH_> ...
[15:12:04] <shaun413_> hes got 2 mills
[15:12:06] <ReadError> shaun413 wants to clone other peoples stuff
[15:12:07] <shaun413_> cnc
[15:12:08] <GuShH_> two toys
[15:12:11] <shaun413_> yes
[15:12:11] <ReadError> by hand
[15:12:16] <ReadError> and sell it
[15:12:23] <ReadError> sell their designs*
[15:12:26] <shaun413_> yep
[15:12:31] * GuShH_ shrugs
[15:12:31] <ReadError> on a manual mill
[15:12:32] <shaun413_> brian is helping me
[15:12:41] <GuShH_> that's a lathe piece though, the block
[15:12:53] <ReadError> so much lulz
[15:13:00] <shaun413_> yep, and you can do without the vents and use a heatsink
[15:13:00] <ReadError> the rest of the crap
[15:13:05] <sabotender> found it!
[15:13:07] <ReadError> done on a 4th axis
[15:13:10] <sabotender> i love my history
[15:13:23] <ReadError> ON A MILL
[15:13:48] <GuShH_> peek is so 2004
[15:14:03] <shaun413_> lol
[15:15:22] <GuShH_> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/8/8a/Donejhead.jpg <<< such poor machining
[15:15:49] <GuShH_> still looks like a wrapped turd.
[15:15:55] <shaun413_> whats poor?
[15:16:37] <sabotender> that looks terrible. what is tha?
[15:16:40] <GuShH_> surface finish is poor
[15:16:42] <GuShH_> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/f/f2/Tapetherm.jpg
[15:16:49] <GuShH_> he doesn't know how to grind or position his tooling
[15:17:00] <GuShH_> possibly improper feed rate...
[15:17:01] <shaun413_> thats not a real jhead
[15:17:13] <GuShH_> that's from here http://reprap.org/wiki/J_Head_Nozzle
[15:17:58] <GuShH_> sabotender: it's a PEEK sleeve horribly machined.
[15:18:11] <sabotender> hey GuShH_ what do you think about this: http://www.ogowell.com/index.php?main_page=product_free_shipping_info&cPath=5&products_id=143
[15:18:13] <_methods> man you guys wanna take this back to #reprap
[15:18:14] <GuShH_> burrs everywhere
[15:18:21] <shaun413_> what would you use rather than peeks
[15:18:23] <sabotender> i'm seriously considering getting it
[15:18:55] <GuShH_> sabotender: any reviews on that?
[15:19:15] <sabotender> a few impressive youtube videos
[15:19:23] <sabotender> doing exactly what I need it for
[15:19:25] <GuShH_> before or after fitting them for countless hours :p
[15:20:00] <sabotender> that is always the unknown, but it appears to be solidly constructed
[15:20:01] <shaun413_> GuShH_, should use vespel
[15:20:02] <GuShH_> these all use regular M10 leadscrews?
[15:20:54] <sabotender> GuShH_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYAfNTvgTak that is the router in action. You don't have to watch it all, just skip to the end and see the result
[15:21:17] <GuShH_> for that application it seems very solid.
[15:21:22] <sabotender> I think that router produced a damn fine result
[15:21:55] <GuShH_> a lot to do with the quality of the endmill and your code :p
[15:22:17] <sabotender> true. very true
[15:22:59] <GuShH_> is that a 3 jaw chuck? no collet?
[15:23:07] <GuShH_> odd, that's a drill chuck
[15:23:10] * GuShH_ shivers
[15:23:12] <sabotender> I just think its a hellofalot better than those cnc mills that you see on ebay
[15:23:30] <shaun413_> so GuShH_ i couldnt get the rust of with scottchbrite
[15:23:34] <shaun413_> what cdan I try?
[15:23:36] <GuShH_> then again it's probably not mounted on a taper and it's not being forced a lot
[15:23:48] <GuShH_> shaun413_: an electrolyte and current
[15:23:54] <shaun413_> on a chuck?
[15:23:56] <sabotender> exactly my reasoning
[15:24:00] <GuShH_> shaun413: what?
[15:24:05] <shaun413_> drill chuck
[15:24:14] <GuShH_> yes, the engraver has a chuck instead of a collet...
[15:24:25] <shaun413_> i meant rust..
[15:24:35] <GuShH_> seems odd, reminds me of the small chinese mill drills, with a chuck lol
[15:24:51] <sabotender> lol
[15:24:52] <GuShH_> however I've seen they have a sort of plate with 3 screws to keep the chuck from coming off
[15:24:57] <shaun413_> the rust is on the drill chuck
[15:25:09] <GuShH_> shaun413: electrolytic rust removal!
[15:25:13] <shaun413_> OK
[15:25:30] <GuShH_> let it do it's thing overnight, process stops on it's own
[15:25:33] <sabotender> yep. that would do it :-P
[15:25:42] <shaun413_> 12v battery?
[15:25:47] <GuShH_> charger
[15:25:49] <GuShH_> or an atx
[15:25:53] <shaun413_> :/
[15:26:03] <GuShH_> dc welder on a pinch
[15:26:24] <GuShH_> sabotender: but yeah the end result is very promising
[15:26:29] <GuShH_> I'd like one of those engravers!
[15:26:53] <Jymmm> GuShH_: ATX won't work, see it as a "short" and goes into shutdown mode.
[15:27:02] <GuShH_> Jymmm: I beg to differ.
[15:27:11] <GuShH_> first of all that depends on the concentration of your electrolyte
[15:27:15] <GuShH_> ie. it's conductivity
[15:27:22] <GuShH_> secondly on surface area exposed
[15:27:36] <GuShH_> third, on the protection circuit of the psu :p
[15:27:51] <sabotender> i am more interested in smt so i wouldn't be doing much drilling, but oh the possibilities
[15:27:53] <GuShH_> as you ease the part into the bucket, the load increases
[15:28:05] <GuShH_> sabotender: still, got to mill the traces
[15:28:13] <sabotender> right right
[15:28:25] <Jymmm> GuShH_: You know what, you just seem so combative all the time. So, I'm just going to ignore you from now now.
[15:28:36] <Jymmm> on*
[15:28:36] <GuShH_> Jymmm: I had a 10 gal bucket with rebar for the sacrificials and I would use an old ATX overnight to derust parts and tools
[15:28:49] <shaun413_> is there another option?
[15:28:59] <GuShH_> battery charger
[15:29:07] <shaun413_> i mean than electrolyiss
[15:29:10] <GuShH_> any dc source capable of supplying the required current
[15:29:13] <GuShH_> shaun413: chemical
[15:29:18] <shaun413_> such as?
[15:29:34] <GuShH_> seriously the electron flow is dependent on the conductivity of your electrolyte.... a very light mix won't require much current
[15:29:48] <GuShH_> there's just not enough exchange going on to overload the psu thus.
[15:30:02] <GuShH_> then again, the surface area.
[15:30:37] <GuShH_> sabotender: this is what the chinese mill-drills look like http://mla-s2-p.mlstatic.com/agujereadora-fresadora-dmf-16-ditoma-13626-MLA3128354086_092012-F.jpg
[15:30:45] <GuShH_> slightly glorified drill press.
[15:31:07] <sabotender> woah, big momma
[15:31:15] <GuShH_> I can only imagine the plate with the screws is to prevent the chuck from flying off, but the chuck itself is not designed for side loads... the jaws aren't
[15:31:29] <sabotender> ah, i can see what you mean
[15:31:32] <GuShH_> sabotender: yeah that one's missing half a kilo of bondo.
[15:31:44] <GuShH_> you should see the bigger chinese machines, they make horrible knee mills
[15:32:36] <GuShH_> some look fine on pictures, but when you see / use them in real life, you wonder how on earth they manage to get away with it.
[15:34:38] <GuShH_> http://cdn0.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg1000/g/g9904-a5fc5e599968595f104c3471ae77cb26.jpg mostly bondo
[15:35:07] <GuShH_> there's a youtube video showing a guy bolting his to the floor and a big chunk of bondo falls off the corner
[15:36:01] <MrHindsight> thats for vibration dampening
[15:36:07] <GuShH_> LOL
[15:36:16] <sabotender> lol
[15:36:24] <sabotender> sorry was looking at the pictures
[15:36:25] <GuShH_> No, it had holes on the ways where they couldn't put bondo
[15:36:25] <MrHindsight> bondo is polyester resin and filler like talc ;)
[15:36:41] <GuShH_> everywhere else it was full of bondo, which is how they get a "fine" finish
[15:36:47] <sabotender> isn't there some kind of micro metal mix bondo?
[15:36:47] <GuShH_> the castings are terrible and full of air pockets
[15:36:50] <GuShH_> sand etc
[15:37:07] <GuShH_> sabotender: yeah with steel dust, at least epoxies...
[15:37:14] <GuShH_> mostly a gimmick IMO
[15:37:57] <MrHindsight> you can mix your own
[15:38:03] <sabotender> GuShH_: they use that crap on cars that have body damage, makes it impossible/difficult to use a magnet to tell if a part has been bondo-ed
[15:38:03] <GuShH_> perhaps
[15:38:09] <syyl-> there are special epoxys for slideways
[15:38:25] <GuShH_> I've used bondo to hide welding mistakes on parts that were going to be painted
[15:38:34] <GuShH_> but I'm not selling or hiding anything from anyone but myself heh
[15:39:01] <sabotender> well the shady dealers will tell you 'never had body damage' but turns out that it has a bondo patch :-P
[15:39:03] <GuShH_> I would feel very cheated if I bought one of those machines and chunks began to fall off
[15:39:12] <sabotender> lawl
[15:39:17] <GuShH_> it's mostly bondo, on wheels.
[15:39:23] <sabotender> heh
[15:39:38] <GuShH_> can't stand the smell of that stuff.
[15:39:44] <Connor> GuShH_: Thoughts on one of these? http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
[15:39:48] <GuShH_> or glues for that matter
[15:39:52] <GuShH_> why do you ask me, Connor?
[15:39:56] <MrHindsight> I haven't come across any Chinese branded machines that are made well yet even though they get contratced to build to spec for many of the worlds largest machine tool makers
[15:40:06] <sabotender> I wondered what that material was called. when you break it, you can see it looks like fine powdered metal that is stuck together. doesn't look solid...very grainy
[15:40:13] <GuShH_> Connor: I'm against chinese machines for the most part
[15:40:16] <Connor> Just wondering what you thought since those too are Chinese..
[15:40:20] <GuShH_> because you can get some very good used machines for that money
[15:40:24] * sabotender hugs Connor
[15:40:27] <sabotender> how ya doin?!
[15:40:28] <GuShH_> everything Grizzly sells is chinese
[15:40:41] <GuShH_> it's the same stuff emco, jet, etc. sell, just different options / colors
[15:40:54] <MrHindsight> Grizzly doesn't care, but many big names get their castings from China
[15:41:08] <GuShH_> MrHindsight: problem is these are horrible quality
[15:41:11] <GuShH_> on purpose
[15:41:13] <MrHindsight> they just do the final work and assembly in the US or the EU
[15:41:29] <Connor> On purpose ?
[15:41:41] <GuShH_> lower cost
[15:42:04] <GuShH_> Connor: I'm quite positive you can find real milling machines for that kind of money.
[15:42:08] <GuShH_> unless maybe space is an issue
[15:42:23] <Connor> Well, In my case, space WAS a issue.
[15:42:33] <GuShH_> and yes those "are" real by definition of the word, but you know what I mean.
[15:42:53] <GuShH_> Connor: size 0 knee mills have a similar footprint
[15:43:12] <GuShH_> but, heavier.
[15:43:24] <MrHindsight> they work better than those imaginary mills :)
[15:43:36] <GuShH_> which ones are imaginary? :/
[15:43:45] <GuShH_> the mill-drills? obviously.
[15:43:59] <MrHindsight> fancy drill press
[15:44:01] <GuShH_> they are not actual milling machines, I would question whether they use taper bearings
[15:44:11] <MrHindsight> they don't
[15:44:12] <GuShH_> (like the one on the picture I posted)
[15:44:28] <GuShH_> the one Connor linked to should have the right bearings, in theory
[15:44:31] <MrHindsight> the attitude is like HF, you use it a few times and it's cheap
[15:44:32] <Connor> GuShH_: The G0704 had tapered bearings in it.
[15:44:57] <Connor> I changed them out for AC bearings when I did the belt drive upgrade.
[15:45:05] <GuShH_> Connor: yeah it should, it's proper but too lightweight for my needs, plus all the issues with china tools hence why I'm not looking at them anymore.
[15:45:23] <GuShH_> both a used machine or a chinese machine are projects anyway
[15:45:56] <GuShH_> Connor: I guess the base is entirely hollow, as is the rest of the machine, correct?
[15:45:59] <Connor> GuShH_: I agree. I went with the New machine because others had already done the conversion.. and was easier.. used machines can tend to be one-offs.. or very few have done a conversion...
[15:46:12] <MrHindsight> the higher end Chinese machine tools are fine >$100K
[15:46:19] <GuShH_> oh yeah cnc conversion has a lot more support with these things
[15:46:31] <GuShH_> MrHindsight: I'm not sure we have that kind of dough :(
[15:46:42] <GuShH_> or the space
[15:46:46] <MrHindsight> Apple has like >10K Chinese mills they use to make iPhone cases
[15:46:58] <GuShH_> so?
[15:47:17] <GuShH_> they probably have >10k chinese people working them
[15:47:30] <MrHindsight> just trying to explain how things work in China
[15:47:42] <Connor> GuShH_: I dunno about hollow.. but it does have webbing and clearances for the screws etc.. the column is closed on the back unlike the X3's
[15:47:52] <GuShH_> I didn't say chinese stuff was bad, I said THIS stuff is because it's low quality in general.
[15:48:29] <GuShH_> I can get a heck of a knee mill for that money, that's all.
[15:48:46] <Connor> but, a knee mill also requires more $$$ to convert..
[15:48:50] <MrHindsight> sure, I didn't misunderstand you
[15:48:58] <GuShH_> the "one off" is a reality, plus you have to be lucky enough to find one in the right condition
[15:49:03] <Connor> larger drives.. servo's most likely..
[15:49:18] <GuShH_> Connor: or you sacrifice speed for torque heh
[15:49:29] <Connor> and then you have to figure out if your going to cnc the knee or quill..
[15:49:34] <Connor> or both.
[15:50:04] <Connor> Just allot harder to convert..
[15:50:21] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140415-ecn-uses-new-dlp-technology-for-3d-printing-metals.html
[15:50:49] <GuShH_> Connor: maybe!
[15:51:29] <GuShH_> I want to work with steel, not just aluminum, without having to wait an eternity, that's all.
[15:52:07] <GuShH_> Hrmm ceramic printing, is it then fired?
[15:52:28] <GuShH_> how do you take care of deformation?
[15:52:30] <GuShH_> cracks, etc
[15:52:46] <Connor> If I was going to buy a turn key CNC, it would either be a Tormach or a Torous Pro if not a mini VMC like Pete's Cincinnati 500
[15:52:50] <GuShH_> or is it a ceramic filler on epoxy or similar resin
[15:53:08] <MrHindsight> GuShH_: the ceramics don't deform
[15:53:37] <MrHindsight> the polymer has a high wax content, it burns out leaving just the ceramic or the metals
[15:54:11] <GuShH_> how is this new?
[15:54:25] <GuShH_> just the application is
[15:54:31] <MrHindsight> it ends up being similar results to powdered metal
[15:54:49] <MrHindsight> so it's not solid metal, maybe 70%
[15:55:00] <GuShH_> what's the cost and printing time, vs prototyping with an x axis machine
[15:55:00] <MrHindsight> but it dosen't require a mold
[15:55:15] <GuShH_> x being the amount of axis required to machine the part :p
[15:55:27] <MrHindsight> we print with DLP at >5mm/minute Z growth
[15:55:46] <MrHindsight> you can print parts that you can machine in one piece
[15:56:00] <MrHindsight> sorry, can't machine in one piece
[15:56:11] <MrHindsight> like that hollow sphere
[15:56:12] <GuShH_> sure, and how would you cast or produce these pieces?
[15:56:20] <GuShH_> I don't consider this technology for mass production of anything
[15:56:41] <GuShH_> prototyping is one thing..
[15:57:29] <MrHindsight> you thinking of reprap/fdm speeds
[15:57:39] <GuShH_> no..
[15:58:27] <GuShH_> it's still too slow compared to subtractive methods.
[15:58:58] <MrHindsight> what is?
[15:58:59] <GuShH_> how would the cost compare, specially since with subtractive machining you simply recycle the "waste" material
[15:59:51] <MrHindsight> vs 0 waste material?
[16:00:08] <GuShH_> it's 0 or 100% with these things.
[16:00:24] <GuShH_> I only see an application for prototyping, not producing.
[16:00:26] <MrHindsight> well you do waste the wax
[16:00:37] <GuShH_> no, assuming something goes wrong with the "print"
[16:01:07] <MrHindsight> you try to avoid that
[16:01:24] <GuShH_> to make forms for molds, prototyping parts, etc. sounds very nice. but that's about it at that speed / cost.
[16:01:28] <MrHindsight> like any other manufacturing
[16:01:44] <MrHindsight> it depends on the parts
[16:01:56] <GuShH_> true
[16:02:03] <MrHindsight> you can print parts that you can't machine in one piece
[16:02:11] <GuShH_> maybe also some niche market with low volumes
[16:02:21] <MrHindsight> and some parts you can machine or injection mold much faster
[16:03:11] <MrHindsight> low volume under 10K's
[16:04:18] <GuShH_> with a single machine?
[16:04:23] <GuShH_> again, would depend on the parts
[16:04:32] <MrHindsight> yeah
[16:04:41] <MrHindsight> lets say it's something simple
[16:04:45] * GuShH_ blinks
[16:04:49] <GuShH_> a bushing
[16:05:08] <GuShH_> 12mm id 20mm od, maybe 1cm tall
[16:05:11] * GuShH_ shrugs
[16:05:22] <MrHindsight> a mold might take a few weeks to make for that
[16:05:54] <GuShH_> not sure, it's a simple two part mold, but material wasn't specified :p
[16:06:25] <GuShH_> nor amounts
[16:06:32] <MrHindsight> so you're part would take 2 minutes to print with maybe 10 on a tray
[16:06:33] <GuShH_> say, there's always a setup fee for injection molding
[16:06:55] <GuShH_> but maybe it wasn't going to be made out of plastic.
[16:07:09] <MrHindsight> injection mold cycle times would probably be 10x faster
[16:07:25] <GuShH_> hard to tell
[16:07:29] <GuShH_> automated or manual?
[16:07:30] <MrHindsight> and how many parts per mold that size?
[16:07:34] <GuShH_> lots of manual process still in use today
[16:07:46] <GuShH_> as many as you can afford to run
[16:08:13] <GuShH_> then you'll have to use a die to cut the parts free or some other process to clean them up
[16:08:16] <GuShH_> not cheap
[16:08:18] <Connor> You two are making my head hurt.
[16:08:19] <MrHindsight> so with DLP you get 300 parts per hour
[16:09:22] <MrHindsight> 300/hr x 24 x 14 = 100k parts
[16:09:34] <GuShH_> and cost per part?
[16:09:39] <GuShH_> Connor: why?
[16:09:39] <MrHindsight> now you're die is made
[16:09:56] <GuShH_> cost to operate the machine?
[16:10:09] <MrHindsight> about the same as the injection mold thermoplastics ~$2-3lb
[16:10:15] * GuShH_ burps
[16:10:17] <GuShH_> do want
[16:10:31] <GuShH_> where do I put the kidney?
[16:11:19] <MrHindsight> I'm not sure how long an FDM printer would take to make that part
[16:11:25] <MrHindsight> a day maybe
[16:11:48] <GuShH_> but it was a silly example, since you could turn that piece on any lathe in almost seconds if CNC or a minute or two by hand
[16:11:54] <GuShH_> maybe less on a turret lathe
[16:11:59] <MrHindsight> inkjet can have 0.001" res and print 2 liters/hour per head
[16:12:26] <GuShH_> but it's easier to picture given the geometry
[16:13:07] <MrHindsight> lets say it's roughly that size you mentioned with some features
[16:13:35] <GuShH_> do most old live centers use needle and thrust bearings as well as ball bearings?
[16:13:37] <MrHindsight> so yeah it depends on what the part is
[16:13:45] <GuShH_> specially medium duty on smaller sizes
[16:15:28] <GuShH_> I need to figure out the cost of refurbishing a couple old live centers vs just buying new ones, thing is the old stuff is quality vs new being chinesey (there are almost no imports in my country right now, except for some chinese crap)
[16:15:50] <MrHindsight> the problem has been slow printers and the high cost of materials
[16:15:55] <GuShH_> local made costs more than imported... go figure
[16:16:15] <XXCoder> same here
[16:18:33] <GuShH_> XXCoder: thing is, most used stuff is sold by clueless people... which makes it even worse.
[16:18:54] <XXCoder> and better
[16:18:58] <GuShH_> clueless in the sense that perhaps it was their dad's or someone else's so they don't really know what it is, what it's really worth in the condition it is, etc.
[16:19:10] <XXCoder> agfter all, very good stuff sold by clueless people cheap
[16:19:12] <GuShH_> no, because they overshoot prices and tend not to listen
[16:19:18] <GuShH_> at least around here
[16:19:25] <XXCoder> oh thats too bad
[16:19:34] <GuShH_> they have an idea of what it might be, they search for the most expensive item meeting their loose criteria, that's the price they use.
[16:19:42] <GuShH_> :(
[16:20:00] <XXCoder> it rocks when its other way
[16:20:10] <XXCoder> I once bought a pile of lego for $25
[16:20:17] <XXCoder> one tiny rare set in it? $40
[16:20:29] <XXCoder> other set, $40, overall I got over 300 out of it
[16:20:36] <GuShH_> I told this guy "this jacobs chuck, new, is sold here for 160" to which he replied "ok so it's 160 then" ... (it was used in regular shape)
[16:20:51] <GuShH_> where do you go from there, they won't listen heh
[16:21:05] <XXCoder> lol
[16:21:51] <GuShH_> morse tapers seem to be a complicated thing to grasp, since they never know the sizes.
[16:22:56] <GuShH_> XXCoder: you reckon most live centers are just press fit sleeves? ie. that I could take them apart to service, I don't have a press currently though.
[16:23:33] <XXCoder> no idea, I know hell of a lot more about lego than machinist stuff
[16:23:41] <GuShH_> haha
[16:23:47] <GuShH_> lego freak!
[16:23:54] <GuShH_> tell me something the average guy doesn't know about legos then
[16:24:09] <XXCoder> theres 5 grays
[16:24:16] <GuShH_> what
[16:24:25] <GuShH_> I only remember the one
[16:24:31] <XXCoder> theres light grey, dark grey, light bley, dark bley, and very rare very light grey
[16:24:53] * GuShH_ pouts
[16:24:59] <XXCoder> "bley" means bluish gray in this case, started in 2002 approx and on.
[16:26:13] <GuShH_> still, I'm not impressed!
[16:26:54] <Deejay> gn8
[16:26:56] <XXCoder> there is 5 editions of imperial star destroyer lol
[16:26:57] <Connor> Someone built a life size house out of legos..
[16:27:03] <GuShH_> woot
[16:27:12] <GuShH_> Connor: hopefully they glued the parts?
[16:27:15] <XXCoder> mnost people'd there it was same thoughout its production life, but nope
[16:27:22] <GuShH_> that must be quite expensive to build
[16:27:27] <Connor> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214729/James-May-size-Lego-house-wants.html
[16:27:37] <cpresser> the worlds fastest rubic-cube-solver is made with legos
[16:27:55] <GuShH_> lol james
[16:28:23] <GuShH_> I find it quite horrible.
[16:28:40] <Connor> I didn't say it was pretty.
[16:28:44] <GuShH_> but impressive
[16:29:23] <XXCoder> yeah
[16:29:27] <GuShH_> how much was it?
[16:29:33] <GuShH_> bbc budget...
[16:29:47] <GuShH_> and how do you source that many lego pieces
[16:29:53] <GuShH_> direct contract with lego?
[16:29:53] <XXCoder> pfft easy
[16:30:04] <XXCoder> theres people wgo donated few million parts
[16:30:10] <Connor> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nqmlb
[16:30:11] <GuShH_> bah
[16:30:12] <XXCoder> and it was hardly part of collection
[16:30:24] <XXCoder> my collection is hardly that big though LOL
[16:30:50] <XXCoder> too bad it was destroyed
[16:30:52] <GuShH_> I stopped playing with legos as soon as I began to play with my thingy.
[16:31:04] <GuShH_> XXCoder: aww, why?
[16:31:23] <XXCoder> land owner needed it gone and BBC couldnt find a way
[16:31:27] <GuShH_> lol
[16:31:31] <XXCoder> people wasnt happy
[16:31:39] <GuShH_> thats a big property
[16:31:41] <GuShH_> why would you want it gone
[16:31:47] <XXCoder> dont ask me either
[16:31:54] <GuShH_> I would keep it specially if it was free
[16:31:55] <GuShH_> ...
[16:32:01] <GuShH_> jeez
[16:32:11] <XXCoder> exactly.
[16:32:13] <XXCoder> tour money
[16:32:19] <XXCoder> its forgone thing
[16:32:29] <GuShH_> the meccano motorcycle, from another episode, was quite impressive
[16:32:37] <XXCoder> free to see outside, pay to walk in and see
[16:32:56] <GuShH_> what if someone takes a lego shit in the lego toilet?
[16:33:14] <XXCoder> lol it'd have to be guided, dont think anything was glued
[16:33:48] <XXCoder> tour guide to prevent theft and such
[16:34:29] <XXCoder> "May slept in the house on Friday night, on �the most uncomfortable bed I�ve ever slept in� � when he also discovered the house was not waterproof."
[16:34:49] <GuShH_> hrmm.. I thought it would be waterproof
[16:35:13] <XXCoder> hardly. theres millions of connection tiny gaps on sides so on
[16:35:25] <GuShH_> but if the walls were thick enough?
[16:35:33] <XXCoder> I do want to build full size water fountain out of lego, need to seal interior
[16:35:45] <XXCoder> nah gaps allow it to go all way in
[16:35:49] <XXCoder> even of foot thick
[16:36:00] <shaun413_> hello!
[16:36:23] <XXCoder> lego is very precise but even then.. water is much more tiny than those gaps
[16:37:04] <GuShH_> XXCoder: tell me about the production process then
[16:37:35] <shaun413_> hi GuShH_
[16:37:39] <XXCoder> why explain when I got http://lego.gizmodo.com/5022769/exclusive-inside-the-lego-factory
[16:37:41] <XXCoder> enjoy.
[16:38:04] <GuShH_> bah
[16:38:12] <XXCoder> awesome videos
[16:39:10] <XXCoder> lego NEVER throws away molds. one new factory they used dead molds in concerete fountain as filler
[16:39:33] <XXCoder> somehow someone has one mold. its priceless lol
[16:40:03] <GuShH_> how long does an average mold last
[16:40:26] <XXCoder> dunnoit could make millions of parts then dunno
[16:40:52] <XXCoder> do you know lego is world largest tire maker?
[16:41:01] <XXCoder> of course cant use em on actual cars but.. lol
[16:41:02] <GuShH_> http://i.imgur.com/8yztMIn.jpg
[16:41:13] * cpresser knew that fact about the tires^^
[16:41:22] <XXCoder> and in few more years they will have made more minifigs than humsns living now
[16:41:30] <shaun413_> whats the best thing to cnc?
[16:41:34] <shaun413_> a lathe or mill?
[16:42:00] <XXCoder> 120 million wow. I guess its tougher than I thought
[16:42:03] <GuShH_> 120 MILLION bricks
[16:42:24] <GuShH_> 15 million cycles
[16:42:28] <XXCoder> that many I probably has couple 2x3 pltes from that specific mold lol
[16:42:36] <GuShH_> assuming those were total bricks, do they reject any? heh
[16:42:45] <XXCoder> *plates
[16:43:00] <XXCoder> yeah they dont stop when they change colors
[16:43:26] <XXCoder> so theres bad bricks in between, they try to keep it in house to reuse into black bricks or something, but some do leak out
[16:43:39] <GuShH_> lol
[16:43:43] <XXCoder> I have extremely rare milky yellow 1x3 bricks. 2 of em
[16:43:43] <GuShH_> what are they called
[16:43:54] <XXCoder> marbled parts
[16:44:08] <GuShH_> they should just sell them
[16:44:24] <XXCoder> lol some people'd love that.
[16:45:13] <GuShH_> but they don't seem to look marbled
[16:45:21] <GuShH_> maybe I couldn't find a good pic
[16:45:43] <XXCoder> it tends to be "insuffecent coloring" when theres no coloring in between colors
[16:45:47] <XXCoder> but not always
[16:46:11] <XXCoder> theres amazing more than 2 colors mixed bricks, but its from era that they used leftovers to test molds
[16:46:54] <XXCoder> http://cdn.thebrickblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/LEGO-Marbled-Bayers-by-Maxx.jpg
[16:46:58] <shaun413_> hello!
[16:47:04] <XXCoder> example of what I was talking about, mold tests
[16:47:08] <shaun413_> machinists
[16:50:04] <zeeshan-campus> hi
[16:57:09] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Never saw a PINK lego before.
[16:57:44] <XXCoder> lol my store stock has over thousand of some pink parts. bought em because it was real cheap and evenually someone would buy em
[16:57:51] <XXCoder> maybe girl themed mosisic
[16:58:44] <Jymmm> Sure, never saw BROWN either.
[16:58:50] <GuShH_> hellokitty
[16:59:03] <GuShH_> oh, brown... helloshitty
[16:59:20] <XXCoder> ;lol
[17:01:18] <zeeshan-campus> i have an exam in an hour approximately
[17:01:20] <zeeshan-campus> so bored =/
[17:02:18] <XXCoder> LOL http://cdn4.cubiclebot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/136.jpg?363b75
[17:02:28] <XXCoder> try that zee
[17:02:30] <Groguard> Does anyone in here have a shapeoko 2? I had a couple questions on seeks rates, just trying to get a feel for it.
[17:04:04] <Jymmm> XXCoder: WTF?! "Loyalist", "Patriot" ?!?! That sounds ik some fucked up test, I'd whiteout questions too!
[17:04:26] <XXCoder> it looks like test on reading assignment
[17:04:27] <Jymmm> like*
[17:04:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Yeah, doesn't matter =)
[17:05:06] <MrHindsight> it's about socialization vs education
[17:05:10] <Jymmm> XXCoder: What is this, the 1950's ???
[17:05:25] <XXCoder> dont ask me either lol
[17:05:30] <MrHindsight> get you to respond to given stimulus vs think critically
[17:05:37] <Jymmm> XXCoder: You must be a commi then!!!
[17:05:43] <XXCoder> :P
[17:05:53] <zeeshan-campus> ROFL
[17:05:53] <XXCoder> false duology
[17:06:28] <XXCoder> in least its not that "brilliant" http://cdn3.cubiclebot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/132-600x449.jpg?363b75
[17:06:39] <zeeshan-campus> works
[17:06:40] <zeeshan-campus> haha
[17:06:45] <zeeshan-campus> thats funny
[17:06:45] <MrHindsight> just imagine the response if she had drawn a 4th box labeled Terrorist or Nazi
[17:06:56] <zeeshan-campus> did you guys see the video of the guy getting kicked in the face
[17:07:03] <zeeshan-campus> while he's trying to take a selfie in front of a moving train?
[17:07:12] <XXCoder> yeah saw it lol
[17:07:22] <zeeshan-campus> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teen-kicked-head-selfie-moving-train-article-1.1758031
[17:07:22] <XXCoder> commented about expecially duckfaces should suffer that
[17:07:23] <zeeshan-campus> rofl
[17:07:29] <zeeshan-campus> i couldnt stop laughing at that
[17:07:29] <zeeshan-campus> owned
[17:07:31] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: I hate you and have a fully automatic weapon with a very sensative trigger pointed at your crotch... So do you respond to the "stimulus' or "critical thinking"? You have 5 seconds to respond.....
[17:07:42] <Jymmm> 4
[17:07:48] <Jymmm> 3
[17:07:53] <Jymmm> 2
[17:07:59] <MrHindsight> SPLUNGE!
[17:08:00] <XXCoder> money
[17:08:03] <Jymmm> lol
[17:08:32] * Jymmm hands MrHindsight "Your guide to being a Unic "
[17:09:49] <shaun413_> this HF stuff is CHEAPPPP
[17:09:53] <shaun413_> so enticing
[17:10:08] <Jymmm> XXCoder: For the record, it would be better to state the amount of money and in what form =)
[17:10:23] <XXCoder> why? isnt $100 enough for anyone?
[17:10:28] <zeeshan-campus> someone find me a TOOL GRINDER!
[17:10:33] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Not even close
[17:10:35] <zeeshan-campus> harbor freight doesnt make one anymore :{
[17:10:37] <XXCoder> lol
[17:10:45] <shaun413_> HF is stinky though
[17:10:47] <shaun413_> as you say
[17:10:50] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: is that your idea of a first date?
[17:10:53] <zeeshan-campus> HF ftw !
[17:11:11] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Hey, it's just foreplay ;)
[17:11:52] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Now, it you are serious about that, I can show you something.
[17:11:56] <shaun413_> you like HF???
[17:12:01] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: and if that was a lesson in school today the correct answer would be take the bullet and don't complain about it
[17:12:12] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: HAHAHA
[17:13:22] <MrHindsight> http://benswann.com/exclusive-special-ed-student-records-audio-proof-of-bullying-threatened-with-charges-of-warrentless-wiretapping/
[17:14:33] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: that's so fucked up
[17:14:43] <XXCoder> indeed
[17:14:45] <MrHindsight> what a country
[17:15:34] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: PM?
[17:16:15] <JesusAlos> hi
[17:16:19] <shaun413_> should I get the HF lathe?
[17:16:22] <shaun413_> and mill
[17:17:22] <JesusAlos> where I can define the directory machine configuration?
[17:17:35] <MrHindsight> it will need some work and not last for years, but you'll be making parts
[17:17:49] <shaun413_> that is true....
[17:18:00] <shaun413_> I know littlemachineshop is better
[17:18:04] <shaun413_> but hen again
[17:18:11] <shaun413_> Ive been recommended to get old shit
[17:18:17] <JesusAlos> example: change /home/user/linuxcnc/config by other routr
[17:24:11] <shaun413_> http://www.micromark.com/microlux-7x16-mini-lathe,9615.html\
[17:24:15] <shaun413_> lis look ok?
[17:39:04] <zeeshan-campus> wallmount
[17:39:05] <zeeshan-campus> =[
[17:39:20] <shaun413_> ?
[17:39:32] <zeeshan-campus> wall mount lathe
[17:39:33] <zeeshan-campus> for decoration
[17:39:35] <shaun413_> no
[17:39:54] <Connor> the MicroLux lathe is a good lathe.. better quality the HF, or Grizzly.
[17:40:06] <Connor> On par or better than Little Machine Shop
[17:40:20] <JesusAlos> g8
[17:40:36] <shaun413_> hmm
[17:40:42] <shaun413_> better than maybe an atlas?
[17:40:51] <Connor> Looking to buy some switches.. I'm thinkin Blue for Coolant, Green for Steppers, and Red for Spindle.. Thoughts?
[17:40:59] <Connor> shaun413_ No.
[17:41:03] <shaun413_> ?
[17:42:20] <zeeshan-campus> !
[17:43:16] <Connor> Mounting hole: 0.795"
[17:43:19] <Connor> What the hell is that...
[17:43:27] <Connor> 20MM ?
[17:44:09] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/306004 http://imagebin.org/306005 flycut with lathe tool on 1960 j-head BP
[17:45:04] <CaptHindsight> thats from a Shars $40 carbide lathe tool set
[17:46:51] <CaptHindsight> it's trammed but the think the bearings are going
[17:48:45] <shaun413_> http://allentown.craigslist.org/tls/4416179438.html
[17:48:50] <shaun413_> ???
[17:49:32] <shaun413_> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4425281182.html
[17:49:34] <shaun413_> :///
[17:51:19] <CaptHindsight> http://reading.craigslist.org/tls/4416000747.html
[17:51:34] <CaptHindsight> http://binghamton.craigslist.org/tls/4383534409.html
[17:51:43] <shaun413_> im in nj btw
[17:51:45] <CaptHindsight> http://scranton.craigslist.org/tls/4384764832.html
[17:51:46] <shaun413_> those are far
[17:52:28] <CaptHindsight> ah I just did a 2K mile rountrip to drop of and look at machines
[17:53:33] <CaptHindsight> I like the Atlas
[17:54:11] <shaun413_> ://
[17:58:09] <GuShH_> 2k miles? you must be nuts.
[17:58:16] <shaun413_> ^
[17:59:46] <CaptHindsight> couldn't fit the mill in my carry on
[17:59:46] <GuShH_> CaptHindsight: you reckon those oscillations are from the bearings?
[17:59:55] <GuShH_> looks very rough and uneven
[18:00:12] <CaptHindsight> can you see the cutter?
[18:00:15] <GuShH_> did you lock anything that didn't have to move? :p
[18:00:38] <GuShH_> wrong cutter geometry too
[18:01:08] <CaptHindsight> the point of the exercise was to show how the tool cuts
[18:01:22] <GuShH_> but if you use the wrong tool, that point is irrelevant
[18:01:25] <CaptHindsight> we were discussing using lathe tools for fly cutters
[18:02:02] <GuShH_> you can use hss blank bits to make flycutters... but carbide brazed or indexed not really
[18:02:03] <CaptHindsight> so here's the example
[18:02:08] <GuShH_> indexed tools*
[18:02:32] <GuShH_> might as well bolt down a random chunk of mild steel
[18:02:55] <GuShH_> looks like it's pushing more than cutting!
[18:03:47] <CaptHindsight> it's not rocket science to look at the geometry
[18:04:31] <shaun413_> GuShH_,
[18:04:35] * GuShH_ eyerolls -- the idea is to use a proper flycutting indexed tool or grind your own out of hss!
[18:04:36] <shaun413_> help me find one?
[18:04:46] <GuShH_> shaun413_: do you have the money in your pocket right now?
[18:04:51] <shaun413_> yes
[18:05:00] <GuShH_> who did you blow?
[18:05:09] <shaun413_> reifsnyderb
[18:05:16] <shaun413_> jkjk
[18:05:16] <GuShH_> haha
[18:06:26] <GuShH_> shaun413: only those two to choose from?
[18:06:36] <shaun413_> idk
[18:07:11] <GuShH_> it's getting cold and without the furnace on, the garage is cold as heck already.
[18:08:37] <shaun413_> GuShH_, is CL the only place to look?
[18:08:48] <GuShH_> ebay?
[18:11:11] <CaptObvious_> yes, using the right tool for the job is generally best
[18:11:21] <GuShH_> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4415425281.html
[18:11:30] <GuShH_> hey at least it's got a quick change gearbox
[18:11:40] <CaptObvious_> tonight should be darker than earlier in the day
[18:11:44] <shaun413_> cant move that
[18:11:49] <Jymmm> "Thanks CaptObvious, you're our Hero!"
[18:11:52] <GuShH_> takes two to move that
[18:11:58] <shaun413_> cant fit in a car
[18:12:10] <GuShH_> if you remove the motor, tailstock and chuck, maybe the carriage and belt cover to make it lighter
[18:12:17] <GuShH_> the legs should come apart in most of those
[18:12:27] <GuShH_> they just bolt to the bed
[18:12:28] <shaun413_> 3hrs away too...
[18:12:36] <GuShH_> well you want it all you queen!
[18:12:57] <GuShH_> you'll find old school crap or newer china shit for that amount, sorry
[18:13:13] <GuShH_> and you should go with someone who knows lathes.
[18:13:32] <shaun413_> ill aks brian
[18:13:57] <GuShH_> try finding something newer, but seems your area sucks
[18:14:10] <shaun413_> loooking ebay
[18:14:16] <GuShH_> http://southjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4378311210.html
[18:14:44] <GuShH_> also takes two to move it, you can only lift one of those mini HF lathes by yourself
[18:15:16] <GuShH_> either way you take as much apart as you possibly can for transport
[18:15:32] <GuShH_> that one was fitted with a QCTP heh
[18:16:04] <shaun413_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-32-x-118-South-Bend-Geared-Head-Engine-Lathe-Model-555-Well-Tooled-/221376465261?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338b10c96d
[18:16:10] <shaun413_> wonder if I can lift it myself
[18:16:20] <GuShH_> you can't even lift the chuck.
[18:16:28] <shaun413_> :p
[18:16:36] <GuShH_> takes a crane or two men with a wish for back pain.
[18:16:50] <GuShH_> you usually have an overhead crane for chuck change
[18:16:58] <shaun413_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/mini-lathe-machine-/141254384598?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e36adbd6
[18:17:03] <shaun413_> maybe i can lift this
[18:17:20] <GuShH_> looks like one of those unimats
[18:17:30] <GuShH_> you should lift it and throw it as far as you can.
[18:17:40] <shaun413_> bahah
[18:21:48] <GuShH_> shaun413: http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-x-10-Precision-Mini-Lathe-SUPER-COUPON-SAVE-200-/271453985436?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f33eb1a9c
[18:22:08] <shaun413_> :/
[18:22:12] <GuShH_> lawl
[18:22:32] <andypugh> MrSunshine: That McGraw judge sounds too stupid to have a job, let alone be a judge.
[18:22:45] <Jymmm> andypugh++
[18:23:36] <shaun413_> omg nothing on ebay
[18:24:06] <GuShH_> http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/tls/4375878488.html heh
[18:24:29] <shaun413_> oh my
[18:24:59] * GuShH_ hands CaptHindsight a spoon for a flycutter
[18:25:44] <CaptHindsight_> andypugh: that's how things are here now in the US, I had similar experiences when my kids were in school
[18:26:51] <andypugh> Well, first of all, audio recording is not “wiretapping” as you can have no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking in public.
[18:26:55] <CaptHindsight_> GuShH_: tea, table, serving??
[18:27:07] <GuShH_> your choice
[18:27:21] <GuShH_> that would be hilarious
[18:27:32] <Jymmm> andypugh: And "purpose" being the capture of evidence if a crime.
[18:27:37] <Jymmm> s/if/of/
[18:27:38] <CaptHindsight_> andypugh: now you're trying to make sense, we have ways of dealing with people like you
[18:27:51] <shaun413_> can you make car parts on a lathe?
[18:28:03] <GuShH_> define car parts
[18:28:10] <shaun413_> idk
[18:28:15] <GuShH_> a pulley sure
[18:28:33] <Jymmm> andypugh: And deletion of the recording would be destroying evidence of a crime, possibly conspiracy.
[18:28:38] <shaun413_> what to people generally use lathes for?
[18:28:54] <GuShH_> to make churros obviously
[18:29:10] <shaun413_> HHHH
[18:29:25] <Jymmm> andypugh: What they are doing now is live broadcasts, nothing to delete =)
[18:29:29] <CaptHindsight_> any recordings on school property are considered a private, recording in IL requires both parties to agree
[18:29:31] <shaun413_> im starting to think its way easier to just buy new
[18:29:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: "I'm not recording, I'm broadcasting" =)
[18:30:01] <CaptHindsight_> some states only require one party
[18:30:35] <GuShH_> shaun413: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-10-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93212.html then?
[18:30:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: I bet I could find case law that throws that one out =)
[18:30:39] <CaptHindsight_> so what schools do is have some intern follow the child around and take notes
[18:30:43] <shaun413_> GuShH_, ...
[18:30:48] <GuShH_> at least you can pick that up, if that's one of your requirements.
[18:30:56] <shaun413_> its not
[18:31:10] <CaptHindsight_> they only seem to write down anything that they feel is a problem for the family and not the school
[18:31:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: That would still be "recording" , just not of voice =)
[18:31:23] <GuShH_> Color: Red < such an important detail for lathes and machinery in general.
[18:31:31] <CaptHindsight_> and you can't have your own private 3rd party there to also take notes
[18:31:58] <GuShH_> Just say you were recording ambient noise and he actually ruined the recording.
[18:32:01] <andypugh> I have had a micro lathe, and then I bought the 9x lathe, and they both basically suck.
[18:32:03] <CaptHindsight_> that's how they abuse the system
[18:32:24] <GuShH_> andypugh: as will most used small lathes for under 600 bucks
[18:32:38] <andypugh> That’s a fair pint.
[18:32:41] <andypugh> (point).
[18:33:05] <GuShH_> I do recommend he gets the biggest used lathe he can afford (as long as it's complete and operational)
[18:33:18] <GuShH_> it might take months to find the one
[18:33:31] <andypugh> I paid £120 for https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/PN4t25Nb2xIBt0FILfNfJNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink (I made the cabinet myself though).
[18:33:33] <GuShH_> you might be basically waiting for someone to die.
[18:33:50] <GuShH_> start going to auctions...
[18:33:55] <XXCoder> if shaun hes limited in size due to small apt size
[18:34:05] <GuShH_> yeah well
[18:34:11] <CaptHindsight_> so i don't expect schools to allow Google Glass anywhere near them
[18:34:11] <GuShH_> you can't have it all.
[18:34:43] <GuShH_> andypugh: carpets and lathes don't mix man!
[18:34:58] <shaun413_> :/
[18:35:02] <andypugh> ( I am still gloating about £120 for the Rivett. it cost $2000 new in 1936 )
[18:35:13] <GuShH_> 2000 of today money?
[18:35:26] <GuShH_> and, who died? heh
[18:35:49] <shaun413_> ohh pretty andypugh
[18:35:52] <shaun413_> can I have it
[18:35:59] <GuShH_> only after he dies.
[18:36:05] * shaun413_ stabs andypugh
[18:36:16] * GuShH_ puts shaun413 in jail and keeps the lathe
[18:36:32] <andypugh> GuShH_: No, $2000 of 1936 money. They were frighteningly expensive.
[18:36:42] <GuShH_> shaun413: that lathe is older than any lathe you've been looking at
[18:36:59] <GuShH_> holy crap in 1936 that must have been a lot
[18:37:10] <shaun413_> adjusting for inflation that is $33,998.99
[18:37:13] <shaun413_> in todays money
[18:37:16] <andypugh> You could buy a Tiger Moth aircraft for £2000.
[18:37:27] <shaun413_> damn
[18:37:43] <andypugh> (the exchange rate was different, but still..)
[18:38:22] <GuShH_> makes you wonder how much the tools used to manufacture the lathe cost
[18:38:46] <shaun413_> andypugh, you seem good at restoring
[18:38:51] <CaptHindsight_> http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/tls/4422964424.html what year do you think this is from?
[18:39:15] <GuShH_> says 1898 casting date
[18:39:39] <andypugh> CaptHindsight_: $1200 is way too much for that lathe.
[18:39:44] <GuShH_> it's been butchered not stock
[18:39:56] <CaptHindsight_> maybe for a museum
[18:40:09] <shaun413_> so how much money should I save for this
[18:40:20] <GuShH_> as much as you are willing to spend on a lathe
[18:40:24] <shaun413_> :/
[18:41:00] <CaptHindsight_> every few weeks you'll find some deal if you look every day or so
[18:41:13] <CaptHindsight_> just keep checking the craiglists and similar
[18:41:21] <andypugh> shaun413_: You might find reading www.lathes.co.uk interesting. You will get a feel for the differences between the cheap and nasty and the quality lathes. Because there have always been lathes on sale at least as nasty as the Chinese ones.
[18:41:33] <CaptHindsight_> the good ones are often only up for a few hours before I've called
[18:42:00] <shaun413_> idk whats good though
[18:42:15] <CaptHindsight_> keep reading and looking
[18:42:47] <andypugh> For example, that “Star” http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html
[18:42:49] <CaptHindsight_> you must have learned something from the 30 or so posts to lathes in question
[18:43:22] <andypugh> It’s old. It has plain bearings in the head, and the pulley is the wrong way round.
[18:43:59] <CaptHindsight_> older brand name lathes that aren't worn out or left in the rain for years
[18:44:17] <andypugh> It would have been OK with carbon steel tooling, bearable with HSS and would probably struggle badly to make the most of carbide. It dates from before they realised that lathes needed to be stiff.
[18:44:41] <CaptHindsight_> the Chinese philosophy is that it will work for a year or two then you get another
[18:45:02] <CaptHindsight_> like HF only there it's 6 months
[18:45:10] <andypugh> I was looking at a Colchester Mascot at work today. The tailstock on that probably weighs more than the Star, it’s only a 5’ bed but it’s truly nasive.
[18:46:03] <CaptHindsight_> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/tls/4418814916.html
[18:46:09] <CaptHindsight_> speaking of which
[18:46:26] <shaun413_> oh thats a beauty
[18:47:17] <andypugh> Colchester Student. I use one of them quite a lot. I hate using it, because it reminds me just what a heap of junk my Chines lathe is.
[18:48:02] <andypugh> That’s a lathe for life, that one.
[18:48:28] <CaptHindsight_> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/4424290455.html this probably worth it for $350
[18:48:49] <CaptHindsight_> unless you get there and it make grinding noises or parts fall off
[18:49:14] <CaptHindsight_> does anything bind, does everything turn
[18:49:21] <andypugh> I agree. That’s a decent starter lathe, made by folk who knew how to make lathes.
[18:49:22] <CaptHindsight_> is everything connected
[18:50:01] <andypugh> Unlike my lathe, which appears to have been assembled by someone who had never used a lathe,
[18:50:06] <shaun413_> well buy it then :p
[18:51:08] <andypugh> An example: They had actually hand-scraped the carriage, and the rear way was a good fit to the bed, as was the front one. They just didn’t actually both fit at the same time…
[18:51:29] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370729400325 this is still up JONES & LAMSON "TNC210A-COMBI" CNC
[18:55:59] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370773968848 here a beast horizontal mill for $4k
[18:58:31] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370982445299 machines like these are decades old and if taken care of will work for several more
[18:59:07] <CaptHindsight_> the low cost Chinese machine tools are often not even assembled properly
[19:00:08] <witnit> wow so unusual capt, I was considering this thing yesterday
[19:00:15] <witnit> Im the "watcher" for it
[19:00:44] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370902413813 I find these all the time, often for free if you can get it out
[19:01:05] <witnit> yeah
[19:01:11] <CaptHindsight_> witnit: another beast
[19:01:15] <witnit> I need multispindle screw machines in the area
[19:01:31] <witnit> find me some screw machines for scrap cost
[19:02:10] <witnit> like a package of 3 acmes would be awesome
[19:03:36] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171223448344 a bit small but restored
[19:05:42] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRAFTSMAN-METAL-LATHE-109-20630-WTH-MOTOR-AND-CONTROLLER-/281308546082?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417f4bc422
[19:05:58] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-Craftsman-6-Inch-Metal-Lathe-618-/221417288751?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338d7fb42f
[19:09:56] <GuShH_> shaun413: so?
[19:10:14] <shaun413_> ?
[19:10:23] <GuShH_> what's it gunna be
[19:10:27] <shaun413_> ehwat
[19:10:41] <shaun413_> I want to try a lathe simulator
[19:10:49] <GuShH_> you said you've used lathes before.
[19:10:52] <XXCoder> get cncsimulator
[19:11:00] <XXCoder> its free
[19:11:26] * GuShH_ offers XXCoder a glass of wine
[19:11:29] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AHC-HARDINGE-AUTOMATIC-SUPER-PRECISION-LATHE-27019-/370987031801?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56608cdcf9
[19:11:43] <witnit> buy that
[19:11:44] <XXCoder> no thanks, I dont drink heh
[19:11:47] <GuShH_> aww
[19:11:47] <shaun413_> is it fun XXCoder !
[19:11:54] <shaun413_> ill take the wine GuShH_
[19:12:04] * GuShH_ passes it to CaptHindsight
[19:12:06] <XXCoder> yeah I played with it, it comes with various machines and yes a 3d printer
[19:12:17] <shaun413_> I have real 3d printers
[19:12:17] <CaptHindsight_> witnit: saw that, I think he's trying to stay under $1k
[19:12:40] <andypugh> Zyto are the 1950s equivalent of Cheap Chinese though, look at that tailstock.
[19:12:43] <GuShH_> cncsimulator seems to want you to buy the "pro" version all the time
[19:12:46] <CaptHindsight_> GuShH_: thanks right after this scotch
[19:13:01] <GuShH_> ohh scotch, I quit that a while ago
[19:13:15] <XXCoder> yeah that gets annoying but hey within limits its basically free
[19:13:53] <GuShH_> it should at least let you play around a bit before trying to sell you the pro version :p
[19:13:54] <shaun413_> i have to register?
[19:14:10] <XXCoder> yeah unavoidable
[19:15:10] <GuShH_> how well does it simulate a machine?, can you crash them?
[19:15:16] <CaptHindsight_> I just realized how small that ZYTO is when i noticed the wall plate
[19:15:34] <XXCoder> GuShH_: impact detect seem to be pro only
[19:15:35] <shaun413_> so how does it work?
[19:15:41] <GuShH_> will shit hit the fan and little 3d people start running in circles?
[19:15:49] <XXCoder> lol
[19:16:25] <GuShH_> then tiny 3d lawyer comes by and ruins your life.
[19:18:13] <GuShH_> I wonder if the PRO has sounds
[19:18:19] <shaun413_> i cant use it
[19:18:29] <GuShH_> it would be fun if it had chatter and other noises
[19:18:45] <GuShH_> shaun413: hm?
[19:18:56] <shaun413_> how do I make it work
[19:19:45] <XXCoder> I cant answer if it has sounds or not lol
[19:20:15] <GuShH_> should also simulate long hair, sleeves, bracelets and wrist watches.
[19:20:20] <GuShH_> enable gore: yes
[19:20:24] <GuShH_> Woooo
[19:20:36] <GuShH_> splat, splat, splat.
[19:21:06] <shaun413_> its working
[19:24:27] <XXCoder> lol
[19:24:39] <XXCoder> shaun413_: it does come with lots examples so you has plenty to do and see
[19:24:56] <GuShH_> not much at all in mm it seems
[19:25:18] <shaun413_> yes
[19:25:21] <shaun413_> im done with it
[19:25:28] <XXCoder> use inches mode
[19:25:33] <GuShH_> that's how long you would have used your lathe for
[19:25:34] <GuShH_> hahaha
[19:25:57] <shaun413_> :/
[19:26:28] <shaun413_> noo
[19:28:15] <shaun413_> lies
[19:28:31] <GuShH_> you in a nutshell
[19:29:06] <shaun413_> i am a nutshell
[19:40:07] <shaun413_> if i can get a hf lathe for free...
[19:40:09] <shaun413_> should I?
[19:40:57] <witnit> I told you before they make good doorstops
[19:41:01] <shaun413_> :/
[19:41:06] <shaun413_> WHATA ABOUT MICROLUX
[19:48:27] <Connor> Hey Guys, Trying to mill some mystery alumn.. It's a cover plate for a 19" rack... I need to cut it down to around 6.5" x 6.5" square.. I can mount it in my vise by mounting the rear jaw to the back.. but, when I clamp it.. it lifts up..
[19:48:39] <Connor> as I mill into it.. I get chatter in the middle...
[19:48:49] <XXCoder> not flat?
[19:48:51] <Connor> and.. I don't have enough Y travel
[19:49:20] <Connor> I can rotate the vise around 90 degrees and mill it along the X as long as I leave the doors open on the enclosure..
[19:49:41] <_methods> yeah that sux
[19:49:44] <Connor> but, that's still not going to fix the plate lifting.. it's only 3/16" thick or so.
[19:49:45] <_methods> hard to hold the middle
[19:49:54] <_methods> can you drill holes in the middle?
[19:50:12] <XXCoder> yeah if planned to have holes could just make a hole
[19:50:13] <Connor> not really. It's going to be panels in my computer case.
[19:50:22] <_methods> you might be able to use a heavy bag of shot
[19:50:31] <_methods> or something very heavy and lay in the middle
[19:50:35] <_methods> and support below
[19:50:55] <shaun413_> http://www.micromark.com/microlux-7x16-mini-lathe,9615.html
[19:50:55] <_methods> it's alwyas the bitch machining sheet metal
[19:50:59] <shaun413_> \touhgts on this?
[19:51:03] <Connor> really.. this isn't the right tool to be cutting this down.
[19:51:26] <_methods> well you gotta do what you gotta do
[19:51:29] <Connor> OMG, shaun413_ How many times are you gonna ask?
[19:51:34] <shaun413_> idk
[19:51:38] <shaun413_> is that or lms better?
[19:52:15] <Connor> I'll list them out in order... MM and LMS are about the same.. the MM is longer, Grizzly next best, then HF..
[19:52:23] <shaun413_> lathemaster?
[19:52:34] <Connor> lathemaster ?
[19:52:39] <shaun413_> http://www.lathemaster.com/LATHEMASTER8x14Lathe.htm
[19:52:52] <ChuangTzu> hola
[19:53:21] <Connor> Here: go read.. http://www.mini-lathe.com/
[19:54:10] <Connor> http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/Reviews/Reviews.htm
[19:54:40] <ChuangTzu> i saw one of those at HF the other day
[19:54:54] <Connor> Join the 7x12 Yahoo mail list too.. and ask.
[19:55:20] <Connor> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/7x12minilathe/info
[19:55:38] <Connor> I don't know much about the lathemaster.
[19:56:12] <shaun413_> micromark is inches/
[19:56:13] <shaun413_> ?
[19:56:24] <Connor> Yes. the leadscrews are in inches instead of metric.
[19:56:28] <shaun413_> :/
[19:56:43] <Connor> which most US people prefer.
[19:57:23] <shaun413_> why?
[19:57:26] <Connor> again, ask on the 7x12 list.. they can help.
[19:57:45] <Connor> answer all those kinds of questions.. this is really a channel for LinuxCNC and CNC..
[19:57:57] <Connor> we do try to help.. but, your talking about doing this manually..
[19:58:25] <_methods> ^^
[19:58:33] <shaun413_> :/
[19:58:36] <ChuangTzu> i have another unrelated comment to make
[19:58:41] <shaun413_> ok ill get out of your hair
[19:58:44] <GuShH_> he wants to go hand solo
[19:58:46] <ChuangTzu> i'm in negotiations on renting out a small industrial space
[19:58:53] <ChuangTzu> the dude agreed to install 3-phase in the unit
[19:59:00] <ChuangTzu> was just about to sign the lease and the dude jacked up the price
[19:59:08] <_methods> lame
[19:59:20] <ChuangTzu> apparently doesn't think anyone else wants 3-phase and was balking at the cost of installing it
[19:59:32] <ChuangTzu> so i was like fine, screw the 3-phase
[19:59:33] <Connor> shaun413_ fill free to drop in anytime.. especially when your ready to convert to CNC.
[20:00:00] <ChuangTzu> i can get a phase converter for less than the difference in rent
[20:00:34] <Connor> ChuangTzu: Go that route then.. just make sure you get it sized correctly for the equipment and the equipment doesn't have issues running off a phase converter.
[20:00:46] <PetefromTn_> Connor what are you trying to do man?
[20:01:09] <ChuangTzu> what kind of issues might it have?
[20:01:13] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Try to cut down some alumn plate around 3/16" of a inch thick.. using my mill.
[20:01:20] <_methods> well how much HP are you needing for your machines?
[20:01:41] <ChuangTzu> right now we are limited by the size of the doorway
[20:01:43] <_methods> if you need a lot of hp then phase converters and vfd's are more expensive
[20:01:51] <_methods> or can be
[20:01:56] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Would be better to cut it down with a bandsaw.. but.. mine isn't up for the task.. (little skill bandsaw..)
[20:02:02] <ChuangTzu> so the biggest machine we could be running would be like a cnc knee or bed mill
[20:02:13] <PetefromTn_> Bring it on by man I will cut it for ya...
[20:02:15] <_methods> ah yeah you should be fine
[20:02:19] <ChuangTzu> sweet
[20:02:42] <Connor> I HATE not having the right tool to do the job.
[20:02:59] <Connor> Just trying to make cover plates for my enclosure.
[20:03:06] <PetefromTn_> Well ya know I got the right tools LOL
[20:03:08] <Connor> and mount 3 switches in it.
[20:03:19] <Jymmm> Connor: EXPLOSIVES are always the right tool for the job =)
[20:03:34] <ChuangTzu> agreed
[20:03:34] <Connor> and the holes have to be milled because they're 20mm with flats..
[20:03:48] <_methods> P = Plenty
[20:03:56] <Connor> which, I can do.. but holding the alumn so it doesn't bow is problem.
[20:04:30] <Jymmm> Connor: 12ga with 000 will make perfect holes =)
[20:04:31] <ChuangTzu> 20mm holes, use a vulcan cannon
[20:04:38] <PetefromTn_> If you wanna do it yourself get some 3/4 MDF and glue it down with carpet tape and take shallow cuts..
[20:04:43] <_methods> i've used screw jacks and weight on top
[20:04:44] * ChuangTzu rides Jymmm's wavelength
[20:04:51] <Jymmm> haha
[20:04:55] <_methods> put a plate on the screw jacks
[20:05:01] <_methods> then level them to the part
[20:05:01] <ChuangTzu> cnc vulcan cannon
[20:05:04] <_methods> put weight on top
[20:05:09] <Jymmm> _methods: no need
[20:05:30] <Connor> okay. Going to go eat a cup cake and chill and watch some TV.
[20:05:34] <ChuangTzu> see ya
[20:05:46] <Jymmm> _methods: but the holes will be tapered in hole tiny, out hole HUGE!!!
[20:05:46] <PetefromTn_> Like I said you are welcome to bring it here..
[20:05:57] <_methods> ?
[20:20:21] <Connor> http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/CNC_Pressure_Foot_for_ShopBot_PRT_p/cnc-pressure-sb_prt.htm
[20:20:24] <Connor> interesting...
[20:20:25] <witnit> where do are the realtime modules like, if I want to call "loadrt epp"
[20:20:55] <witnit> It says Its not there
[20:22:27] <witnit> I assumed the realtime pieces were already installed, but I didnt see any which Im needing
[20:24:36] <PCW> real time components should be installed (though epp is not a standard component)
[20:25:18] <witnit> Is there a place I can find the realtime modules I need such as epp and hm_7i90
[20:26:03] <PCW> they should be part of the 7i90 branch
[20:26:27] <witnit> I thought I found it on github, but I never used git
[20:26:37] <andypugh> Connor: Double-sided tape the sheet to a slab of plywood or MDF. If you play thing right you could use drilled holes in the wood as references for re-jigging to bypass the Y-limit problem.
[20:26:43] <witnit> and didnt know what to look for elseware
[20:27:52] <andypugh> witnit: The list is third from the bottom here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[20:28:03] <witnit> thank you andy
[20:28:22] <andypugh> 7i90 falls under “hostmot2”
[20:30:07] <andypugh> You probably need to read the description of every one and make your own notes. For example “weighted_sum” is also good for bits-to-integer conversion, and lut5 is almost like magic if you can figure it out.
[20:30:57] <andypugh> And ’tis time for me to sleep.
[20:31:20] <witnit> andy I dont see it
[20:31:30] <witnit> two other boards but not mine
[20:31:45] <witnit> sleep well thank you though
[20:34:58] <PCW> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/hm2-7i90-3
[20:36:11] <PCW> Probably easiest to just bite the bullet get git setup and build that branch from source
[20:36:34] <witnit> okay, I can do that, I just thought these were files I could download
[20:36:46] <witnit> with say.... wget epp
[20:37:18] <witnit> Thank you
[20:37:32] <PCW> you could download the source bits that way
[20:38:07] <witnit> well, I probably didnt know what I was getting myself into
[20:38:20] <PCW> (there not much there)
[20:38:22] <PCW> Im hoping that the 7I90 will just get folded into the hm2_epp driver post 2.6
[20:38:35] <witnit> I thought it was like change some file names in the hal file and add some inputs and outputs
[20:39:15] <witnit> That would make things nice
[20:39:22] <PCW> Actually it should have been that easy (it should have worked with the 7I43 driver as is)
[20:39:43] <witnit> yeah like I said I didnt really think otherwise haha
[20:40:42] <witnit> I will play around with it awhile and see what I learn, doing these things are good for me since I been mostly using pnconf in the past
[20:40:51] <PCW> but the 7I43 driver resets the FPGA even if you dont specify a bitfile
[20:40:53] <PCW> which causes the 7I90 to go away long enough the driver gives up while checking for it
[20:41:03] <witnit> yeah I was getting timeout
[20:41:31] <witnit> when I tryed to talk with it, I was probably doing something wrong too
[20:41:51] <PCW> mesaflash should talk to it
[20:41:54] <witnit> see I have these three DIO boards and I thought I could just turn them all into 50 pin DIO and be done with it
[20:42:00] <witnit> well it wouldnt list it
[20:42:29] <witnit> I couldnt get it to show up anything so I switch parport and tried --addr my other printer port but to no avail
[20:42:52] <PCW> that may be because the port is not in EPP mode or the address is wrong
[20:43:05] <witnit> well I went to bios and checked for eppp
[20:43:17] <witnit> and then did 0x378
[20:43:28] <witnit> assuming that would be defaulting to work
[20:43:41] <PCW> I have been able to read info and flash 7I90s via mesaflash
[20:43:52] <witnit> I will try again
[20:44:12] <witnit> I am using mesaflash bunded with 5i25 due to lipci3
[20:44:17] <PCW> dos the 7I90 configure itself at power up?
[20:44:17] <witnit> bundled*
[20:44:45] <witnit> I would know this by?
[20:45:03] <PCW> I fixed the 7I90 dist but the 5i25mesaflash is the same
[20:45:11] <PCW> no red leds
[20:45:15] <witnit> ok no red leds
[20:45:17] <witnit> just yellow
[20:45:41] <PCW> just one yellow power LED
[20:45:46] <witnit> yes
[20:46:41] <witnit> the mesaflash on the mesa website is now downgraded you say?
[20:47:21] <PCW> theres mesaflash and mesaflash3
[20:47:51] <PCW> mesaflash is for ubuntu 10.04, mesaflash3 for 12.04
[20:48:18] <witnit> you work so quickly
[20:48:28] <witnit> haha this was an issue yesterday and its updated now
[20:49:12] <PCW> Michael just sent me a new mesaflash let me update the fpga zip files, the mesaflash you have has no EPP support
[20:49:23] <witnit> ah i see
[20:49:28] <witnit> i should have known
[20:49:43] <PCW> you can also build mesaflash3 on your system
[20:49:57] <witnit> that would be smartest i think
[20:50:39] <PCW> dont think much more than unpacking the source and typing 'make' is involved
[20:51:05] <witnit> still nothing listing
[20:51:27] <PCW> what motherboard?
[20:52:07] <PCW> you mean you built mesaflash3 and it does not find the 7I90?
[20:53:49] <witnit> I will pastebin
[20:54:14] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10947210
[20:58:02] <PCW> ahh that source must be too old to be smarter about the includes
[20:58:24] <witnit> well if nothing else we will get plenty of bug tracking done
[20:58:30] <PCW> try this version:freeby.mesanet.com/mesaflash
[20:59:24] * skunkworks_ resemble that remark
[20:59:28] <skunkworks_> resembles
[20:59:30] <PCW> oops wait a bit
[20:59:56] <witnit> no problem im reboothing the box now
[21:00:30] <witnit> I couldnt find the motherboard its a 2006 ibm thinkcentre I will try to track them and maybe doublecheck the printer port chipset
[21:01:04] <PCW> normally MB ports ar eOK
[21:01:22] <PCW> PCI ones are iffy
[21:01:53] <witnit> I learned to only pick pci cards that were older and had more chips on them than the rest
[21:02:34] <witnit> my scientific route
[21:03:50] <PCW> PCI parallel port cards are iffy for EPP both because they may need magic to set them into EPP mode
[21:03:52] <PCW> and because a large number use the MOSChip parts which have a bug in their EPP implementation
[21:04:10] <witnit> I will remember the name
[21:05:48] <PCW> ok latest mesaflash binary for 10.04: freeby.mesanet.com/mesaflash
[21:06:33] <witnit> was there one there already I maybe grabbed it too soon?
[21:06:47] <witnit> I downloaded before you posted that
[21:07:42] <witnit> http://freeby.mesanet.com/mesaflash
[21:07:46] <witnit> ooops
[21:08:04] <witnit> No 7I90EPP board found
[21:08:42] <PCW> what was your command line?
[21:09:28] <witnit> mesaflash --device 7I90epp --addr 0x378
[21:09:57] <witnit> sudo ./mesaflash --list --verbose
[21:10:02] <witnit> gave nothing either
[21:10:33] <PCW> maybe port troubles (or cable troubles)
[21:11:22] <witnit> I thought maybe, I will connect directly with the cable from mesa
[21:11:31] <PCW> sudo ./mesaflash --device 7I90epp --addr 0x378 --verbose
[21:11:34] <witnit> I had an extension I assume is ok in between
[21:12:18] <PCW> if its IEEE-1284
[21:13:00] <witnit> the very last wire on this ribbon cable that was sent with card is not connected
[21:13:11] <witnit> like it was taken short, is this normal?
[21:13:16] <PCW> thats correct
[21:13:18] <witnit> okay
[21:13:22] <witnit> just checking :)
[21:13:42] <PCW> the header is 26 pins, the DB25 is well 25
[21:13:46] <witnit> got it
[21:13:52] <witnit> still no response
[21:14:09] <witnit> I will try another system and another install with this mesaflash version and report back :)
[21:14:17] <PCW> OK
[21:14:22] <PCW> bbl
[21:14:25] <shaun413_> hi
[21:14:27] <witnit> Thanks see you
[21:14:50] <witnit> hey shaun
[21:14:55] <witnit> get your lathe yet?
[21:15:09] <shaun413_> yeah https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5889085582650378897/5978884791542655522?pid=5978884791542655522&oid=108164504656404380542
[21:15:34] <witnit> hahaha
[21:16:20] <shaun413_> andy gave it to m
[21:16:21] <shaun413_> e
[21:16:53] <witnit> for your soul?
[21:16:58] <shaun413_> no
[21:16:59] <witnit> haha that is very nice
[21:17:02] <shaun413_> he "passed"
[21:23:14] <shaun413_> i would give my soul though
[21:23:19] <shaun413_> thats a NICE hunk of metal
[21:23:22] <shaun413_> so much metal
[21:23:25] * shaun413_ loves
[21:23:26] <witnit> "_
[21:23:33] <witnit> :)
[21:23:46] <shaun413_> its alll metal
[21:23:48] <shaun413_> thats so sexy
[21:23:50] <witnit> yes it is very nice, im particularly fond of the inlay button
[21:24:10] <shaun413_> all these lathes with sheetmetal casings
[21:24:12] <shaun413_> bleh
[21:24:15] <shaun413_> I want solid
[21:25:00] <witnit> you will learn the value of a solid machine quickly
[21:25:10] <shaun413_> I know the value
[21:25:20] <shaun413_> just there is nothing available...
[21:29:53] <humble_sea_bass> pee on it
[21:30:03] <shaun413_> oh no
[22:15:01] <shaun413_> hi
[22:34:41] <WalterN> I need a keypad I can splash water on... heh
[22:35:09] <WalterN> something like this I guess http://www.ebay.com/itm/PM31-NEW-1PCS-4-X3-MATRIX-ARRAY-12-KEY-MEMBRANE-SWITCH-KEYPAD-KEYBOARD-SCA-1711-/251504381012
[22:35:23] <WalterN> but aluminum keys or something would be classier
[22:36:08] <witnit> maybe "STORM" brand industrial keypads is what you want
[22:36:11] <humble_sea_bass> some guy here had a gross silicone keyboard
[22:36:20] <witnit> eee
[22:36:30] <WalterN> o.0
[22:36:32] <humble_sea_bass> which obvs works, but not for me
[22:37:07] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-SILICONE-USB-NUMERIC-NUMBER-KEYPAD-KEYBOARD-F-SONY-NEW-/390819904764?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item5afeae7cfc
[22:38:11] <WalterN> something like this only aluminum https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8653 and not caring if coolant drips into it
[22:39:20] <shaun413_> machine it!
[22:39:28] * WalterN flails
[22:40:25] <WalterN> not my idea of a fun weekend project (assuming I dont already work on the weekends)
[22:40:56] <shaun413_> hmm
[22:40:59] <shaun413_> why not
[22:41:07] <shaun413_> at least you have the equipment
[22:43:25] <witnit> I have one of these and am happy with it
[22:43:29] <witnit> http://www.storm-interface.com/product_attachments/2220Series.pdf
[22:43:47] <witnit> there are some similar to it they produce I think are keypads
[22:43:49] <WalterN> way too many keys XD
[22:44:24] <shaun413_> http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/07/dremel-3000-review/dremel-3000-7l-1280x1024.jpg
[22:44:27] <WalterN> I need 0-9 and a decimal key entry
[22:44:27] <shaun413_> i got one of these
[22:44:37] <shaun413_> this is my machining equipment
[22:45:18] <WalterN> witnit: oh that company looks like they sell other fancy stuff like what I want...
[22:45:22] * WalterN clicks around
[22:46:02] <witnit> I found the keyboard on ebay for c aouple bucks
[22:46:05] <witnit> couple*
[22:46:08] <humble_sea_bass> THERE ARE a few folks which make aluminum keycaps for mechinical keyboards/pads
[22:46:25] <humble_sea_bass> i.e. any industrial keyboard/pad made by cherry
[22:46:35] <humble_sea_bass> http://imgur.com/a/weU2x#0
[22:46:38] <witnit> pcw: still no luck prodding the thingm I chose epp1.9 in bios prior to boot
[22:48:03] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: woah thats nice
[22:48:16] <WalterN> not quite as nice as machined keys, but thats still really nice
[22:48:21] <humble_sea_bass> mechanical keyboards are a drug
[22:48:46] <shaun413_> what is a mech keyboard?
[22:48:47] <WalterN> yeah, I have a mechanical keyboard
[22:49:13] <WalterN> a spring buckle type key pad would work really well for what I want
[22:49:23] <shaun413_> qhats special about it
[22:49:46] <WalterN> you can pour whatever conductive liquid in those and they dont care
[22:49:55] <WalterN> unless its goop
[22:50:34] <shaun413_> do they type betteR?
[22:50:41] <shaun413_> why would I buy one?
[22:50:47] <witnit> walterN I wash my keyboard out with 100psi air line and mineral spirits btw
[22:50:51] <witnit> no problems yet
[22:50:54] <WalterN> shaun413_: http://plope.com/Members/chrism/bucklingspring_mov.gif
[22:51:30] <shaun413_> oh that snap....
[22:51:35] <shaun413_> :-D
[22:52:03] <shaun413_> how do I know if I have one
[22:53:46] <humble_sea_bass> cherry for the win
[22:53:48] <humble_sea_bass> http://cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/2120/index.htm
[22:54:35] <WalterN> I just need the 12 keys though :-x
[22:56:29] <humble_sea_bass> i know, i'm just geeking out now
[22:56:44] <WalterN> well, 11 keys
[22:56:46] <shaun413_> so why get this
[22:56:51] <shaun413_> over a regular keyboard?
[22:56:57] <WalterN> I'm kinda eyeing these guys http://www.storm-interface.com/products_description.asp?id=8
[22:57:02] <humble_sea_bass> I'm certain teh cherry keypads are ok, you just might need better keycaps
[22:57:38] <humble_sea_bass> shaun, if you have autism mechanical keyboards will make sense
[22:57:49] <shaun413_> hmmm
[22:57:56] <shaun413_> wtf?
[22:58:32] <humble_sea_bass> http://dangwang.wordpress.com/
[22:58:36] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: well... I spilled (vodka) juice in my cherry MX blue keyboard once... it kinda freaked out.. had to clean it out and let it dry
[22:59:00] <shaun413_> theres a plog....
[22:59:20] <witnit> oh, guys, I really lucked out just now
[22:59:28] <shaun413_> give it to me
[22:59:28] <witnit> was making toast, dropped it
[22:59:34] <witnit> landed on its edge!
[22:59:48] <witnit> thought you all should know
[22:59:50] <humble_sea_bass> like a quarter on its side?
[22:59:55] <witnit> yeah
[22:59:57] <witnit> like that
[22:59:59] <humble_sea_bass> fuck man
[23:00:03] <witnit> amazing huh
[23:00:07] <humble_sea_bass> can you hear ppls thoughts?
[23:00:12] <WalterN> I think I like this one http://www.storm-interface.com/products_description.asp?id=2
[23:00:12] <WalterN> now I just need to find it
[23:00:12] <WalterN> for sale to decide if I actually want it
[23:00:13] <shaun413_> http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060713130822/uncyclopedia/images/8/8b/Cat_toast_swirl.gif
[23:00:15] <witnit> I did earlier
[23:00:15] <shaun413_> like this
[23:00:46] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.tvrage.com/The_Twilight_Zone/episodes/212786
[23:01:26] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPTuGoVY52Y
[23:01:55] <shaun413_> i dont see why I should buy a mech board
[23:02:15] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413_: it means you're not autistic. be thankful
[23:02:18] <WalterN> oh thats stupid
[23:02:22] <shaun413_> ^
[23:02:31] <WalterN> the keys are cast zinc
[23:02:33] <WalterN> ugh
[23:02:41] <shaun413_> shameeee
[23:02:50] <WalterN> http://www.storm-interface.com/product_attachments/PLXSeries.pdf
[23:02:54] <witnit> ahhh I see
[23:03:13] <WalterN> with chrome plating to cover the turd thats behind it
[23:03:22] <witnit> well I was reading minds before the toast incidient the ability is surely gone now
[23:03:58] <WalterN> shaun413_: http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide read that
[23:04:03] <shaun413_> ok
[23:04:19] <shaun413_> TLDR
[23:04:21] <witnit> nice
[23:04:56] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121259320642?lpid=82
[23:05:23] <WalterN> wha... 43 euros? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Storm-Interface-PLX-Series-12-Key-Vandal-Resistant-Keypad-Phone-Format-PLX12T20-/141242151237?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item20e2b03145
[23:05:24] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413_: when do you plan to flunk out of Rutgers?
[23:05:30] <shaun413_> never
[23:05:34] <shaun413_> why would I?
[23:05:48] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: oh hey, that would work
[23:06:07] <humble_sea_bass> that keypad looks brutal mean
[23:06:46] <WalterN> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-payphone-keypad-phone-/161273590567?_trksid=p2054897.l5673 cheaper
[23:07:39] <WalterN> I wonder how many fingers touched it...
[23:07:51] <humble_sea_bass> dont lick it till you clean it
[23:09:09] <R2E4> hey guys....
[23:10:17] <shaun413_> hi
[23:10:23] <WalterN> I'm going to bid on this
[23:10:50] <WalterN> the storm stuff looks like it will work just as well, but its way more expensive
[23:12:26] <shaun413_> BID HIGH
[23:13:12] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: donno... what do you think, that payphone keypad or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/PM31-NEW-1PCS-4-X3-MATRIX-ARRAY-12-KEY-MEMBRANE-SWITCH-KEYPAD-KEYBOARD-SCA-1711-/251504381012
[23:13:53] <humble_sea_bass> i'd do the payphone considering the abuse those things see
[23:14:17] <humble_sea_bass> flat keypads get unresponsive
[23:14:29] <humble_sea_bass> but for 1.50, i'd get both
[23:15:36] <WalterN> oh wait, it ships outside of the US
[23:15:43] <WalterN> *from outside
[23:15:50] <CaptHindsight_> branes!
[23:16:53] <WalterN> booze!
[23:17:59] <shaun413_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Key-DTMF-Keypad-Membrane-Switch-/310913008812?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4863dc04ac
[23:18:01] <WalterN> I should pour myself a glass of vodka
[23:18:17] <CaptHindsight_> yes, at least one
[23:18:26] <shaun413_> WalterN, ^
[23:20:07] <WalterN> shaun413: 15 pins, 12 keys... how does that work?
[23:22:50] <shaun413_> wtf
[23:23:32] <WalterN> I could understand 13 pins
[23:24:23] <shaun413_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8653
[23:24:38] <WalterN> I have that one already
[23:24:41] <shaun413_> :/
[23:25:03] <WalterN> the problem is that it will be sitting on a bandsaw... coolant will be dripping into it
[23:25:10] <shaun413_> ah
[23:25:58] <CaptHindsight_> booze and bandsaws, sounds like another drinking and shooting activity
[23:26:36] <shaun413_> https://www.futurlec.com/Keypads.shtml
[23:26:42] <shaun413_> get one of these bottom ones then
[23:27:22] <WalterN> oh nice
[23:27:31] <WalterN> also, <3 futurlec
[23:27:58] <WalterN> got a bunch of stuff from them a few years ago
[23:28:45] <CaptHindsight_> me too, only took 6 weeks to arrive, by the time they got here i forgot what they were for
[23:29:28] <WalterN> thats why I ordered a bunch of generic stuff thats used for any given electronic project XD
[23:30:09] <CaptHindsight_> all they need is s stocking US disti and they would explode with business
[23:31:16] <CaptHindsight_> 1133 Broadway,Suite 706,New York,NY 10010 is jjst a mailbox
[23:34:09] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOt0GRVGNXo
[23:36:36] <shaun413> Do you guys think small scale machining is a good way to make money
[23:37:06] <CaptHindsight_> I hear that banking and finance is the way to go
[23:37:16] <shaun413> :/
[23:37:22] <shaun413> I like making things
[23:37:28] <shaun413> Not fudging numbers
[23:37:53] <CaptHindsight_> you should have grown up in the 50's/60's
[23:38:02] <shaun413> /
[23:38:04] <witnit> yes you missed your era
[23:38:13] <witnit> I believe this is the information age
[23:38:27] <CaptHindsight_> do you speak Mandarin?
[23:38:30] <shaun413> No
[23:38:38] <witnit> hes gonna have a tough time then
[23:39:02] <witnit> I dont make things by hand for profit often
[23:39:13] <shaun413> Hm
[23:39:15] <witnit> I make things by hand that fix my machines that make things for profit
[23:39:32] <shaun413> What makes things for profit then?
[23:39:37] <shaun413> I don't mind CNC...
[23:39:42] <witnit> In my case, screw machines
[23:39:47] <shaun413> Its just cheaper to start manual...
[23:39:53] <WalterN> +ing
[23:40:00] <shaun413> ?
[23:40:16] <shaun413> Who is ing
[23:40:53] <WalterN> just me being stupid
[23:41:04] <shaun413> I see....
[23:41:05] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1LFclXiBU yikes, this was actually a government made film
[23:41:05] <WalterN> and I havent started drinking yet
[23:41:15] <WalterN> brb, fixing that
[23:41:25] <shaun413> I think machining an object for sale is not a bad idea...
[23:41:40] <shaun413> Exoecially if its widely used and not mass produced
[23:42:02] <witnit> anything widely used, is mass produced
[23:42:07] <shaun413> Nope
[23:43:47] <witnit> this is where you present me with an example
[23:44:27] <shaun413> 3d printer hotends
[23:44:56] <CaptHindsight_> maybe a shared item, it might be widely used but shared do only in limited manufacture
[23:45:02] <witnit> which style?
[23:45:07] <CaptHindsight_> do/so
[23:45:22] <witnit> I knew a chic like that capt
[23:45:26] <witnit> hahaha
[23:45:34] <shaun413> ?
[23:45:45] <CaptHindsight_> bah dum pum
[23:46:41] <witnit> something like this? http://diy3dprinting.blogspot.com/2013/05/e3d-v4-hot-end.html
[23:46:52] <shaun413> Sort of yes
[23:46:56] <shaun413> Same product
[23:47:27] <WalterN> hot glue gun style 3D printer
[23:47:28] <WalterN> meh
[23:47:51] <shaun413> I'd like to design a proper compact melt gear pump
[23:47:52] <shaun413> :p
[23:48:06] <ReadError> and by that
[23:48:11] <ReadError> he means steal other peoples work
[23:48:16] <shaun413> No...
[23:48:24] <shaun413> No one has done that yet.
[23:48:28] <witnit> http://e3d-online.com/B2B
[23:48:39] <shaun413> Yes that's am ed3
[23:48:51] <witnit> those are produced on a mass scale compared to what your going to be able to do on a manual machine
[23:49:20] <shaun413> Perhaps
[23:49:34] <shaun413> If I can sell that many. That's a different issue
[23:50:02] <witnit> I round part like what those are would take less than 30 seconds to produce on an automatic machine
[23:50:30] <ReadError> <shaun413_> http://imgur.com/Qax6MBq
[23:50:40] <ReadError> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/a/ac/Insertresistor.jpg
[23:51:28] <shaun413> Yep
[23:51:38] <shaun413> That's a render I made for brian
[23:51:44] <shaun413> What about it?
[23:54:01] <shaun413> Lol
[23:54:06] <shaun413> Now he is quiet
[23:54:21] <ReadError> no
[23:54:22] <WalterN> here is digikey http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3K120103/MGR1525-ND/222686
[23:54:25] <shaun413> K
[23:54:27] <ReadError> I said this a week ago
[23:54:32] <ReadError> you are going to join
[23:54:37] <ReadError> ask the same questions every day
[23:54:39] <ReadError> not do anything
[23:54:44] <shaun413> Really?
[23:54:50] <shaun413> OK...
[23:55:02] <shaun413> Never done that before...
[23:55:49] <shaun413> Looks nicer waltern
[23:56:06] <WalterN> meh... I think coolant dripping into it will still screw it all up
[23:56:24] <shaun413> Can you shove a bag over it :p?
[23:56:31] <shaun413> Or a clear plastic cover