#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-15

[00:00:12] <shaun413> Ammonolysis
[00:07:54] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zyto-Metal-Lathe-Restored-/171223448344
[00:10:21] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Metal-Motorized-Mini-Lathe-Machine-/330930335976 I wonder how crappy these look up close?
[00:11:59] <witnit> im trying to build my own .hal from an example, where are all the example .hal files located? I see them when I start "linuxCNC" from the menu but where in my system are they located?
[00:14:17] <Connor> what's up?
[00:15:45] <witnit> ohh just confusing myself connor
[00:15:48] <witnit> whats up with you?
[00:16:18] <Connor> just checking in to see if I missed anything..
[00:16:42] <witnit> yeah you missed the whole section where people knew the answer to my question
[00:17:14] <Connor> and what was the question and the answer to said question. :)
[00:17:27] <witnit> im trying to build my own .hal from an example, where are all the example .hal files located? I see them when I start "linuxCNC" from the menu but where in my system are they located?
[00:17:31] <witnit> thats the question
[00:18:24] <Connor> I used stepper conf to start mine..
[00:18:53] <witnit> yeah I just wanted to look through the premade ones, I mean there are soo many examples
[00:19:04] <Connor> the simulator.
[00:19:08] <witnit> but I cant just dig through them at will without knowing where they are
[00:20:59] <witnit> I assumed it would just be a list of folders with .hal files
[00:21:12] <witnit> in usr/share or something
[00:21:15] <Connor> not quiet..
[00:21:38] <Connor> the sim has allot of configs.. but, they're for simulation.. not everything translates to hardware.
[00:22:13] <witnit> yeah not useful
[00:22:30] <witnit> I just wanted to look at the .hal files I dont want to run the simulator
[00:36:15] <tjtr33> witnit look in /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc/examples/sample-configs each config directory has a hal file
[00:36:30] <witnit> EXACLTY what I was looking for thanks!
[00:36:42] <witnit> I check like ever folder but the doc folder hahaha
[00:36:54] <witnit> you are too pro
[00:37:11] <witnit> send me your paypal!
[00:37:25] <witnit> you accept doge :P
[00:38:09] <tjtr33> to find the files for an installed app , you can use synaptic, choose the package, then rt click properties, and browse 'installed files'
[00:38:28] <witnit> ohhh
[00:38:41] <tjtr33> np, i learned my tricks here from others
[00:38:51] <witnit> I should know all these things already but I just have my hands in too many things at once
[00:39:07] <witnit> its the information age and I just cant keep up
[00:40:33] <tjtr33> but read the hal tutorial by John Kasunich its in the desktop menu Applications | CNC | Linuxcnc Hal Manual
[00:40:49] <witnit> ok
[00:42:06] <witnit> oh
[00:42:58] <witnit> yeah I have been up and down all those but im much like a goldfish, I can only use the data when I need it for the most part, memory is bad, I must relearn nearly everythign I do everytime I do it
[00:46:47] <tjtr33> good nite
[02:11:34] <witnit> skunkworks: do you recall the solution to ./mesaflash: /usr/lib/libpci.so.3: version `LIBPCI_3.1' not found (required by ./mesaflash)
[02:20:03] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10708969
[02:21:27] <witnit> Im not sure the problem, should I download the latest distro of linuxcnc im assuming its just outdated?
[05:36:18] <Deejay> tag
[05:36:30] <witnit> you missed me
[09:08:47] <MrHindsight> pcw_home: http://linuxgizmos.com/freescale-to-add-cortex-m4-to-imx6-for-automotive-soc/ 500MHz Cortex-A5 cores and Cortex-M4 cores with GPU
[09:08:57] <PetefromTn_Andro> Still bored on another channel....
[09:18:40] <archivist> drawing bored
[09:20:21] <PetefromTn_Andro> Mind numbing bored .....
[09:24:49] <JT-Shop> dang it took me a year to build the wood splitter
[09:25:29] <archivist> only a year, damn that is fast compared to some projects
[09:27:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> It took me a year to build the RF45 CNC mill I sold
[09:27:29] <R2E4_> mornin!
[09:28:14] <R2E4_> Whats a Bridgport J-head with DRO's and auto feed worth? Really good shape
[09:28:35] <R2E4_> Not to retrofit, but use as manual.
[09:29:39] <PetefromTn_Andro> I'd say 3-4k US..
[09:30:34] <R2E4_> I know a guy closing shop that has a boat load of stuff. I could get it for 1K, just wondering if its worth it
[09:31:12] <MrHindsight> a worn out Bridgeport sells for ~$1k
[09:37:53] <MrHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/4414360268.html Bandsaw 22" CAST IRON FRAME
[09:38:00] <_methods> yeah you can get a bridgeport all day for $1-2k
[09:38:18] <_methods> check auctions
[09:38:51] <_methods> prices on ebay will usually be top dollar
[09:40:05] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1HP-Bridgeport-Vertical-Mill-with-2-Axis-DRO-/131164341672?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e8a0105a8
[09:40:11] <_methods> that one is in really good condition though
[09:40:30] <MrHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/4421483590.html bridgeport mill with extras - $850
[09:41:10] <_methods> he needs it gone by friday
[09:41:13] <_methods> hit him at $500
[09:41:15] <_methods> and run
[09:41:35] <_methods> you can't go wrong on bridgey at $500
[09:41:44] <_methods> you can scrap it and make that
[09:42:16] <_methods> hell you could clean that one up take better pics and sell it for 3x that
[09:42:20] <_methods> take your time with it
[09:44:44] <MrHindsight> I don't think that R2E4_ is in that area, he's just looking for value comparisons
[09:45:24] <_methods> oh
[09:45:48] <_methods> yeah me personally i wouldn't pay more that $1500 for one
[09:46:00] <_methods> $500-800 is a no brainer
[09:46:22] <_methods> unless it's in like real bad shape
[09:46:25] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291105122597 "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken." maybe he left it in his other suit?
[09:48:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> Personally I don't care much for Bridgeport mills...
[09:50:15] <_methods> yeah i guess they can't be all that great since they are out of business
[09:50:19] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301144587391 Leadwell (X) 20" x (Y) 14" x (Z) 16"
[09:50:47] <MrHindsight> a testament to their management not their machines
[09:51:23] <PetefromTn_Andro> There are much nicer and more rigid knee mills out there..
[09:51:36] <_methods> wow is that a meldas controller on that thing
[09:51:52] <_methods> hah old m310
[09:52:12] <witnit> 3 people per hour are viewing this
[09:52:27] <witnit> we are making waves now
[09:53:41] <_methods> sold as is due to condition lol
[10:08:58] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161275475528 OKUMA MODEL 6V
[10:09:06] <MrHindsight> $2,900.00
[10:09:35] <_methods> man those okumas ar hard to beat
[10:10:55] <_methods> holy shit that table is immaculate
[10:10:57] <_methods> for it's age
[10:13:36] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/380466651968 is this the inspiration for all the bad router designs?
[10:13:37] <PetefromTn_Andro> Okuma machines are top notch but parts are very expensive apparently ...
[10:14:05] <_methods> a machine that old you're on your own with parts anyways
[10:15:04] <R2E4_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Seiki-VM-40-/271449241575?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f33a2b7e7
[10:15:10] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111146727929
[10:15:43] <_methods> damn
[10:15:47] <_methods> that hitachi is a steal
[10:15:51] <_methods> all over a door board lol
[10:16:11] <R2E4_> I just retrofitted one of those in my shop, VM40
[10:16:14] <_methods> pallet changer and all
[10:16:31] <R2E4_> Mine doesnt have apallet changer though, but has 20 ATC
[10:16:35] <_methods> damn that's nuts
[10:16:47] <_methods> $3k
[10:17:01] <_methods> man you could sell teh servos and make that much lol
[10:17:18] <witnit> you did alot better job on your wiring than they did
[10:17:27] <R2E4_> bad board in the controller, exactly what was wrong with mine. I ripped out all the boards and rebuil;t it with LinuxCNC and mesa.
[10:17:30] <_methods> yeah that k&t is nice
[10:17:50] <_methods> that thing will take a cut
[10:18:06] <MrHindsight> Peoria, Arizona
[10:18:40] <MrHindsight> oh suburb of Phoenix
[10:19:18] <witnit> if you guys ever see any real good steals in indiana post please!
[10:19:23] <MrHindsight> 3600 mi roundtrip for me
[10:19:37] <witnit> finders fee on anything I buy =D
[10:19:52] <_methods> that's what riggers are for
[10:19:54] <MrHindsight> witnit: what are you looking for?
[10:20:33] <witnit> parts or not working cncs under 3k and resellable items (most likely listed as for pickup only)
[10:20:42] <MrHindsight> lots in the Chicago area and Ohio
[10:21:03] <witnit> preferably electrical/computer issues, no wrecked heads
[10:21:12] <R2E4_> get that vm40. Get it loaded on a flatbed coming back from Arizona, get a deal.
[10:21:47] <witnit> Im trying to stay with ohio, illinois, indiana michigan
[10:22:37] <witnit> if I can go to the seller I like to buy more while im there if possible
[10:22:56] <_methods> yeah that vm40 is a steal
[10:23:12] <_methods> with a pallet changer for $3k
[10:23:15] <_methods> that's insane
[10:23:29] <_methods> because of a bad board lol
[10:23:33] <MrHindsight> yeah, they really must feel stuck
[10:23:48] <_methods> either they have shit tons of money and not time
[10:23:52] <_methods> or they are retarded
[10:24:12] <witnit> If I were to buy a machine repair and resell I cant actually sell it with linuxcnc installed can I?
[10:24:40] <_methods> with a bad board and a machine that new if i was gonna resell i'd just repari the board
[10:25:09] <MrHindsight> that would take me at least a day to rewire
[10:25:48] <witnit> I dont wire by myself, I point at stuff and tell my helper to do it, im too messy with such things
[10:26:24] <cradek> of course you could sell it with linuxcnc
[10:26:46] <witnit> yeah? I didnt know if it would be like, bad juju somehow
[10:27:02] <MrHindsight> I thought it was heavier Weight: 7,700 lbs.
[10:27:12] <witnit> thats not too bad
[10:27:43] <MrHindsight> I'd just rent a forklift and load it myself
[10:29:44] <_methods> by time you do all that renting and driving and hair pulling it's usually just easier to get riggers to do it
[10:30:11] <MrHindsight> not my experience at all
[10:30:37] <_methods> heh i love people liek you around to move machines for me then lol
[10:30:52] <_methods> put that shit over here lol
[10:31:07] <_methods> make it snappy i'm headin to lunch soon lol
[10:32:21] <MrHindsight> a new troll
[10:33:37] <PetefromTn_Andro> I moved my Cincinnati to my shop from across town but when we sell our home and move back to Florida I will be paying a rigger.
[10:33:55] <_methods> ^^
[10:34:00] <_methods> way less painful
[10:34:20] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah if you can afford it.
[10:34:25] <jdh> Pete: leaving for florida in an hour.
[10:34:52] <PetefromTn_Andro> Damn man rub it in...
[10:35:18] <pcw_home> witnit: use mesaflash from another FPGA card dist
[10:35:25] <_methods> honestly by time you factor everything in with moving machines it's honestly not that much more for riggers to do it
[10:35:31] <witnit> thank you pcw_home
[10:35:41] <_methods> especially if you have to rent a forklift
[10:35:47] <_methods> rollers
[10:35:49] <_methods> skates
[10:35:52] <_methods> gas
[10:35:56] <_methods> your time
[10:36:16] <_methods> but i guess some people don't count their time
[10:36:49] <MrHindsight> and some are just ignorant and arrogant
[10:37:34] <PetefromTn_Andro> Depends how far ya gotta move it really. But you are not far off..
[10:38:26] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_Andro: I thought you were going to sell it a buy something else after the move
[10:39:12] <jdh> Pete: no diving this trip, just going to the rat house
[10:40:28] <PetefromTn_Andro> Depends really upon whether or not I got a reasonable offer for it. Probably keep it just beca
[10:40:42] <PetefromTn_Andro> Because it is now single phase..
[10:44:38] <pcw_home> I will update (well actually down-date) the mesaflash in the 7I90 dist (which currently is too new for 10.04)
[10:53:53] <R2E4_> ITs not 7,700lbs, its heaviuer
[10:54:16] <R2E4_> The VM40 without the pallet changer is 7,700lbs
[11:01:21] <shaun413> Hi
[11:02:04] <WalterN> are air cylinders made with an adjustable stroke that can be done quickly?
[11:02:27] <WalterN> (hand adjusted)
[11:03:01] <_methods> you could have a clevis on the mounting end that adjusts
[11:03:14] <_methods> i think most cylinders have fixed stroke
[11:03:16] <shaun413> Anyone know how to restore old tools
[11:03:28] <shaun413> Like. Shine up some metal
[11:03:39] <humble_sea_bass> urine does wonders
[11:03:50] <shaun413> :/
[11:03:51] <syyl_ws> scotchbrite
[11:03:54] <syyl_ws> :)
[11:04:04] <shaun413> So steel wool
[11:04:21] <syyl_ws> works too
[11:04:28] <syyl_ws> but scotchbrite is pretty awesome :D
[11:04:37] <shaun413> Like the sponge
[11:04:37] <_methods> and it doesn't rust
[11:04:46] <syyl_ws> i prefer the pads
[11:04:55] <shaun413> I have the sponge type
[11:05:03] <shaun413> With the scrubber
[11:05:24] <WalterN> _methods: that would work just as well... but not really sure if you have something nice in mind
[11:05:42] <syyl_ws> there are pads that are more of an abrasive
[11:05:44] <shaun413> So just scrub it? Maybe wd40
[11:05:46] <_methods> well the cylinder end usually is threaded
[11:06:01] <_methods> then you just look for that thread clevis on mcmaster or wherever
[11:06:10] <syyl_ws> http://www.tripointpro.com/media/01/a20791a1365f71087dea4_m.jpg
[11:06:30] <R2E4_> Anybody have a link to screw sizes shop drawings of screws and types?
[11:06:31] <syyl_ws> but thats nothing to use on precision surfaces
[11:06:46] <syyl_ws> like guide ways or machine tables
[11:07:05] <shaun413> Its a hand drill
[11:07:09] <syyl_ws> :D
[11:07:15] <shaun413> Just want to try to make it shiny
[11:07:25] <syyl_ws> use a oily rag
[11:07:29] <_methods> WalterN: http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-air-cylinder-clevises/=rjr8cq
[11:07:32] <syyl_ws> :D
[11:07:33] <shaun413> Repaint it maybe. Any good option for paints
[11:07:43] <syyl_ws> nothing waterbased
[11:07:52] <shaun413> Hm
[11:07:55] <syyl_ws> get the most toxic paint, thats the one that will work
[11:07:56] <syyl_ws> ;)
[11:07:56] <shaun413> Spray paint?
[11:08:02] <WalterN> _methods: oh alright... though I'll want stroke adjustment on the other end.. but retracting all the way back (inside)
[11:08:19] <_methods> well you can mount whatever you need to the other end
[11:08:32] <_methods> there's usually a nice pad for mounting stuff too
[11:08:48] <_methods> all diff mounting options on cylinders usually
[11:08:53] <shaun413> Wall mount
[11:09:44] <WalterN> hmm
[11:10:50] <WalterN> I'll think of something... just didnt know if it was a common thing or not
[11:11:03] <_methods> yeah very common
[11:11:55] <WalterN> erm, wait... how can I mount something to the other end when the rod is inside the cylinder?
[11:12:24] <_methods> the rod is usually threaded or tapped for mounting to it
[11:12:31] <_methods> the rod doesn't go all the way in
[11:13:10] <WalterN> I'm talking about the butt end, so when its fully extended, it does not extend as far as it could
[11:15:53] <WalterN> I'll think of something
[11:16:35] <WalterN> oh stupid
[11:16:48] <WalterN> just have all-thread tapped on the top cap
[11:17:01] <WalterN> thats so stupid easy
[11:28:19] <WalterN> so, I basically have the mechanical and electrical systems planned out, but I havent decided on the controller... I was mostly planning on using a microcontroller, keypad, and a little 16x2 LCD display
[11:29:08] <WalterN> buuut.. donno if there is something nicer and easier for the simple thing I'm doing
[11:29:37] <WalterN> linuxCNC on an ARM maybe?
[11:30:40] <archivist> beagleboneblack
[11:33:25] <MrHindsight> without a display?
[11:34:15] <WalterN> I want a display, so whoever is running the machine can see the numbers punched in (I'm automating a bandsaw)
[11:34:28] <MrHindsight> WalterN: does your LCD have a USB controller?
[11:34:58] <WalterN> donno
[11:35:23] <WalterN> I have a couple of these 16x2's http://www.futurlec.com/LCDDisp.shtml but I can get something else if its easier
[11:35:31] <MrHindsight> http://www.adafruit.com/products/784?gclid=CLP3mKTy4r0CFYY7MgodYkMA1Q
[11:36:23] <MrHindsight> depends on how much work you want to do on the software side
[11:37:47] <WalterN> *shrug* its been a long time since I did any (real) programming (G&M code dont count), and I kinda want to get back into it
[11:38:06] <MrHindsight> I have an stm32 dev board with an LCD. IIRC they were give aways but sold for ~$10
[11:38:41] <Connor> WalterN: Automating a bandsaw? What's it going to do exactly ?
[11:39:46] <Jymmm> Connor: sit n spin =)
[11:39:59] <WalterN> Connor: basically the idea is load a new bar, make the first cut (the end so it is square) and punch in length of cut and number of cuts, then the go button
[11:40:29] <Connor> horizontal bandsaw?
[11:40:35] <WalterN> yeah
[11:40:38] <MrHindsight> WalterN: how will it measure the length of the cuts?
[11:40:49] <Connor> probably rollers.
[11:40:53] <archivist> barfeed usually does that
[11:40:55] <PetefromTn_Andro> You can buy automated traders for reasonable prices for stuff like that nowadays.
[11:41:11] <PetefromTn_Andro> Feeders
[11:41:36] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: backpack LCD's are cool, but kinda a waste unless it's an embedded system and you never want to use an real display (just reote access)
[11:41:50] <WalterN> MrHindsight: cheap rolled ballscrew and an air cylinder, and a beefy stepper
[11:43:54] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: NOW WE'RE TALKING... http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/tactus/
[11:43:57] <WalterN> probably want a cheap linear bearing in there too...
[11:45:30] <Connor> Can we say LCARS and Star Trek TNG ?
[11:46:04] <Connor> Release date: January 01 2008 ??
[11:46:10] <PetefromTn_Andro> Love TNG.
[11:46:15] <MrHindsight> who makes those low cost PLC with small LCD's?
[11:47:45] <cpresser> MrHindsight: Siemens-Logo
[11:48:10] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: Got my Coolant pump installed and running.. except I need to wire in a 12v PSU for it.. Got my Computer mounted on rails under the chip tray.
[11:48:42] <MrHindsight> http://www.automation.siemens.com/mcms/programmable-logic-controller/en/logic-module-logo/pages/default.aspx
[11:49:10] <pcw_home> XBOX power brick?
[11:49:32] <PetefromTn_Andro> Sounds great man. I gotta come see it here sometime
[11:49:37] <Connor> pcw_home: I have a 12v 5amp brick..
[11:49:50] <Connor> I keep ALL power bricks I ever come across..
[11:50:00] <pcw_home> Yeah XBOX bricks are about that
[11:50:36] <WalterN> MrHindsight: there is another idea... how much do those cost?
[11:50:40] <Jymmm> Connor: heh, I ran out of room, and to jump to a much larger container, weights about 40 lbs now =)
[11:50:48] <MrHindsight> WalterN: http://www.newark.com/siemens/6ed1-052-2cc01-0ba6/logic-module-8i-p-4o-p-24v/dp/59M5888
[11:51:12] <MrHindsight> probably the least amount of work
[11:51:20] <Jymmm> Connor: Toss them in quart size zip locks and the cable never tangle up on ya
[11:51:21] <WalterN> yeah
[11:51:21] <Connor> I have a file cabinet filled with them.. bottom busted out.. (2 draw cheap wood one)
[11:51:36] <Connor> That's a good idea, I've not done that..
[11:52:29] <Jymmm> Connor: Super easy to find the one you need then.
[11:52:54] <MrHindsight> WalterN: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOGIC-RELAY-PLC-GENIE-10-I-O-AC-REPLACES-SIEMENS-LOGO-/280733347930?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item415d02f05a
[11:52:55] <Jymmm> Connor: Get gallon soze bags for the extra large ones
[11:53:21] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/M-F-G-2013-6ED10521MD000BA6-Factory-Seal-Siemens-Logo-6ED1-052-1MD00-0BA6-/221380722913?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item338b51c0e1
[11:54:00] <humble_sea_bass> those siemens PLC are crazy adorable
[11:54:00] <Connor> Jymmm: What sort of machine you have? You rarely talk about it..
[11:55:18] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/M-F-G-2013-6ED10551FB000BA1-Factory-Seal-Siemens-Logo-6ED1-055-1FB00-0BA1-/321289652129?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item4ace5b07a1
[11:56:10] <Jymmm> Connor: http://www.assuredlaser.com.au/english/laser_systems/product_line/m300.html
[11:58:19] <Connor> Jymmm: Just a laser ? You converted it to LinuxCNC ?
[11:58:40] <MrHindsight> WalterN: http://www.automation.siemens.com/mcms/programmable-logic-controller/en/logic-module-logo/demo-software/pages/default.aspx
[11:58:53] <Connor> cause most of those things run off of DSP like a normal printers...
[11:59:04] <Jymmm> Connor: Just a laser... now. I have (selling) a router that ran emc
[11:59:30] <Connor> I want a nice laser...
[12:00:27] <Jymmm> Connor: The laser is not converted to emc, it's fully self contained. It has a print driver and I print to it across the lan.
[12:01:35] <Jymmm> Connor: http://oi51.tinypic.com/28lrg9u.jpg
[12:05:13] <archivist> 5 dolla....delivered
[12:05:58] <Jymmm> archivist: Sold!
[12:06:26] <Jymmm> archivist: Now, where do you want your bag of plastic swarf delivered to?
[12:06:32] <Connor> What' the PVC on top of the Z for ?
[12:07:14] <PetefromTn_Andro> Anyone ever heard of a Nardini fast trace lathe?
[12:08:04] <Jymmm> Connor: It holds the extra power cord for the router spindle in case you want to use it manually. It's a OEM'ed Bosch 2.25HP router http://i47.tinypic.com/30boarm.jpg
[12:08:46] <Connor> Ah. I just cut mine and added a plug..
[12:08:57] <Connor> can still be used manual.. just have to use a extension cord with it.
[12:09:47] <Jymmm> Connor: I didn't want to, it's a nice long cord, and was easy enough to cable tie the tube to
[12:10:34] <Jymmm> Connor: I just threaded an old extension cord thru the energy chain instead. (the orange you might see)
[12:11:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[12:23:00] <zeeshan> why is there snow outside
[12:23:28] <archivist> because you live in the frozen north
[12:23:56] <zeeshan> it was 22 c yesterday
[12:24:11] <zeeshan> somehow its -1 now
[12:24:45] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Because it's better than having snow INSIDE?
[12:24:51] <zeeshan> lol
[12:25:40] <Connor> zeeshan: I live in TN and we're getting snow.. :(
[12:25:50] <zeeshan> =/
[12:26:36] <Connor> Climate change is REAL.
[12:27:15] <zeeshan> its like everything in chemistry
[12:27:24] <zeeshan> equilibrium shifts to compensate for distrubance
[12:27:42] <zeeshan> we are screwed!
[12:29:13] <Loetmichel> oh, someone forgot his prozium?
[12:29:15] <Loetmichel> ;)
[12:36:59] <MrHindsight> is it snowing that far south?
[12:37:25] <Connor> It's stopped now.. but, yea.. we had flakes and flurries.
[12:37:59] <MrHindsight> we had enough to blanket everything in white last night
[12:42:05] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: You're a crack cocaine distributor?
[12:46:09] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: I thought you were
[12:47:12] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: WTF?! Oh hell no, strictly pharmaceutical grade! None of that back yard rat poison crap ;)
[12:47:40] <MrHindsight> the only snow here is precipitated by the atmosphere
[12:48:16] <IchGuckLive> easter snow cat !
[12:55:46] <IchGuckLive> hi ktchk how is it in HK
[12:55:57] <GuShH_> archivist: bah I ended up buying a box of hss bits, but not the chucks nor the live centers... one had the bearings in very rough shape, the other needed a regrind on the point, price wasn't tempting. the jacobs were ok but they had straight hollow shanks and they were rather beat up, again no happy price. the bits at least are good, some are german, others are from england, the rest local. mostly brand new, right and left hand pre-grind
[12:56:09] <IchGuckLive> no typhoon in range today ?
[12:56:11] <GuShH_> I'm not sure on the type of a few ones with dull gray finish
[12:56:29] <ktchk> Nice and cool
[12:57:00] <archivist> GuShH_, I am waiting for the milling machine, yes/no :)
[12:57:15] <GuShH_> oh the one I plan to buy? haven't seen it yet
[12:57:25] <GuShH_> I had already purchased the bits and I had to pick em up today so I did.
[12:57:42] <GuShH_> old wooden box, probably got it in an auction... then his dad passed, now I own them
[12:58:10] <GuShH_> I can't offer the guy any money without seeing the milling machine first.
[12:58:48] <archivist> I just found a rusty 4-5" micrometer when I moved a fridge, cleaned it and it seems to measure ok
[12:59:16] <GuShH_> anyway turns out the bits guy has a huge lot of solid steel clamps his dad made (he was a machinist it seems) can't find those anywhere... I might buy a few
[12:59:35] <GuShH_> not sure if they are tempered
[12:59:38] <GuShH_> usually not
[12:59:41] <XXCoder> parallel machinist clamps?
[12:59:42] <archivist> go for a rummage at his place :)
[12:59:45] <GuShH_> yes
[13:00:08] <GuShH_> I went by the Faurecia factory
[13:00:17] <GuShH_> but of course they wouldn't give me a tour, tight ass security.
[13:00:38] <XXCoder> get hired there and work a day or 2, exploring entire area. ;)
[13:00:46] <GuShH_> haha "then casually quit"
[13:01:09] <GuShH_> not sure why everyone was wearing lab coats
[13:01:34] <XXCoder> science!
[13:01:39] <GuShH_> either way why would I buy the knee mill if I don't have anywhere to put it at?
[13:01:56] <GuShH_> XXCoder: clean science... today they barely get dirty, they just push buttons.
[13:02:17] <GuShH_> looking at the grinds on some of these bits, seems old school, no chip breakers... some odd angles
[13:02:21] <XXCoder> if no lab coats, it's not science. ;)
[13:03:47] <GuShH_> there was a tiny indexable tool buried in the box, and a big braced carbide tool... now if only I could find a huge lot of endmills and whatnot for a good price.
[13:04:28] <GuShH_> reamers also, but hard to find in good condition it seems
[13:04:38] <GuShH_> they're always butchered.
[13:04:57] <GuShH_> to begin with, why won't they keep them in their tube / box after using them?
[13:05:20] <GuShH_> they throw them all in one big box and the edges get messed up, same with files... they throw them one on top of the other, that's just plain wrong.
[13:05:23] <archivist> make a tool and cutter grinder then butchered is not so bad
[13:05:40] <GuShH_> but butchered at high price is bad.
[13:05:56] <GuShH_> most of the stuff is crap.
[13:06:23] <GuShH_> I'm sure I won't be buying new stuff anymore though.
[13:07:13] <GuShH_> archivist: http://mla-s1-p.mlstatic.com/limadora-de-400-mm-11184-MLA20040529042_012014-F.jpg 440 bucks
[13:07:24] <GuShH_> seems to be missing a few parts but hard to tell from that angle
[13:07:41] <XXCoder> Make your own
[13:07:44] <XXCoder> I dare ya
[13:07:45] <GuShH_> nice vise, clapper seems there
[13:07:48] <GuShH_> my own what?
[13:08:00] <GuShH_> that's a shaper.
[13:08:11] <XXCoder> equpment lol
[13:08:11] <GuShH_> not a very big one at that
[13:08:21] <GuShH_> why would I?
[13:08:25] <GuShH_> old iron is perfectly good.
[13:08:34] <XXCoder> Already dared you, you must do it
[13:08:39] <GuShH_> no.
[13:08:45] <GuShH_> dare someone from #reprap
[13:08:46] <XXCoder> lol
[13:08:53] <Jymmm> GuShH_: TRIPLE DAWG DARE YOU!!!
[13:09:16] <Jymmm> GuShH_: ... ya wuss!
[13:09:19] <GuShH_> o.o
[13:09:21] <archivist> bit expensive for that state but solid and will clean up
[13:09:38] <GuShH_> archivist: you have to remember everything is at least twice as much around here :(
[13:09:44] <GuShH_> that vise seems very nice though
[13:09:55] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: do you got your own 3D printrer ?
[13:09:57] <_methods> wtf is up with shars
[13:09:59] <archivist> yup
[13:10:03] <_methods> only 12 letter password
[13:10:04] <_methods> really
[13:10:15] <_methods> no symbols either lol
[13:10:22] <GuShH_> wth
[13:10:30] <Jymmm> _methods: shars?
[13:11:08] <_methods> shars.com
[13:11:09] <GuShH_> archivist: so if this dude still has the mill I might try a package deal, plus the shipping would cost about the same for both items.
[13:11:13] <_methods> cheap chinese tooling
[13:11:22] <_methods> with american store front
[13:11:36] <_methods> 6" vise is $180
[13:11:41] <Jymmm> _methods: oh, heh. Just make it 'password' nobody will ever guess that
[13:11:44] <GuShH_> that's expensive
[13:11:46] <IchGuckLive> _methods: and europ DIN lables
[13:11:47] <GuShH_> machinist vise?
[13:12:12] <GuShH_> or the cheap bench vises made out of premium chinese air iron
[13:12:23] <Jymmm> air iron, lol
[13:12:24] <GuShH_> it's like chocolate these days, full of air..
[13:12:37] <Jymmm> GuShH_: it's fluffy =)
[13:12:47] <GuShH_> I've managed to break all my chinese C clamps and vises.
[13:12:52] <_methods> yea well for my home shop i don't care
[13:12:59] <GuShH_> the local made stuff and non chinese however, never damaged a single item.
[13:13:06] <Jymmm> GuShH_: Hit the flea markets =)
[13:13:18] <GuShH_> I don't want china shit.
[13:13:32] <_methods> i use the right tool for the job
[13:13:34] <GuShH_> Jymmm: I'll try, not sure if any around here sell tools
[13:13:37] <_methods> and cheap is all i need
[13:13:43] <GuShH_> _methods: china shit is never the right tool though
[13:13:48] <_methods> yep it is
[13:13:54] <_methods> i'm not machining inconel at my house
[13:13:55] <GuShH_> you could probably find a very nice used vise in good condition for under 200
[13:14:02] * GuShH_ sighs
[13:14:06] <Jymmm> GuShH_: Not the flea markets that sell new crap, the ones that ppl are cleaning out their garages and stuff.
[13:14:18] <GuShH_> Jymmm: yes, but those around here are mostly for clothing
[13:14:24] <GuShH_> and that kind of crap
[13:14:27] <GuShH_> maybe fruit?
[13:14:27] <GuShH_> heh
[13:14:52] <Jymmm> GuShH_: Eh, skip those booths and find the good ones!
[13:15:00] <GuShH_> I've been to a couple
[13:15:24] <GuShH_> they were selling shitty jewelry and clothing for the most part.
[13:15:32] <_methods> their 6" cnc vises actually look alright
[13:15:34] <GuShH_> so perhaps, wrong type of flea market.
[13:15:38] <_methods> i might get one for work just to check out
[13:15:49] <Jymmm> GuShH_: sounds like it.
[13:15:57] <GuShH_> _methods: maybe find an old kurt vise
[13:16:06] <GuShH_> the best I can find here are "vertex"
[13:16:23] <_methods> if i needed a kurt i'd get a kurt
[13:16:28] <_methods> once again
[13:16:30] <_methods> don't need
[13:16:45] <GuShH_> get a slave, have him or her hold the work by hand then.
[13:16:56] * GuShH_ eyerolls
[13:17:01] <_methods> when i need one of those i'll fly to argentina and use you
[13:17:08] <Jymmm> lol
[13:17:13] <GuShH_> _methods: hm?
[13:17:21] <Jymmm> _methods++
[13:17:21] <GuShH_> you sure are highly retarded my boy.
[13:17:27] <_methods> hehe
[13:17:38] <Jymmm> GuShH_: You just got owned is what it is!
[13:17:42] <_methods> i hope you have strong fingers
[13:18:24] <GuShH_> Jymmm: not really, that was offensive.
[13:18:35] <Jymmm> GuShH_: No it wasn't
[13:18:36] <GuShH_> and ignorant.
[13:18:39] <GuShH_> it was.
[13:18:48] <_methods> damn that's 2x today i've been called ignorant
[13:18:51] <Jymmm> GuShH_: ya wuss!
[13:18:59] <GuShH_> notice how my joke mentions no specific nationalities or person.
[13:19:20] <GuShH_> it's got a bit of truth, back in the day slaves were actually used in that manner.
[13:19:32] <Jymmm> GuShH_: He could have said fly to the moon, so please gimme a break eeeeesh
[13:20:15] <GuShH_> Jymmm: you two escaped from a frat house?
[13:20:33] <Jymmm> Why escape? lol
[13:20:41] <Jymmm> _methods: TOGA TOGA TOGA
[13:20:55] <IchGuckLive> a little off Topic !!! dont forget 100 reading the logs every day
[13:21:10] <GuShH_> Because chances are you were held under the table on a leash.
[13:21:25] <GuShH_> IchGuckLive: Highly off topic... but they started.
[13:22:44] <GuShH_> China lover and the lover of the china lover here seem not to care about their own countries and instead enjoy feeding their economy day and night.
[13:23:19] <GuShH_> and by their I mean the crap makers.
[13:24:22] <Jymmm> GuShH_: Wait a sec, didn't you just say "GuShH_: notice how my joke mentions no specific nationalities", then you just did that mentioning china?
[13:24:35] <IchGuckLive> in off BYE
[13:24:51] <GuShH_> Jymmm: way before that I made it clear china tools are crap
[13:24:59] <GuShH_> specially the ones sold by 'murican store fronts
[13:25:02] <_methods> i use kurt and chick vises at work............at home where accuracy and quality don't matter to me so much i use junk
[13:25:02] <ktchk> bye
[13:25:24] <GuShH_> a new cheap vise from them is worse than a used quality vise.
[13:25:29] <_methods> agreed
[13:25:48] <Jymmm> _methods: No, you use what you can afford for the job at hand =)
[13:25:51] <_methods> but for my application the "junk" is good enough
[13:25:52] <GuShH_> so that's why I look at used first, new last.
[13:26:10] <_methods> Jymmm: yes thank you
[13:26:15] <_methods> agreed also
[13:26:15] <GuShH_> get a room
[13:26:23] <cradek> if you have more time than money, you can often buy cheap stuff and fix it
[13:26:24] <_methods> well you're both right
[13:26:33] <_methods> i'd rather have kurt vise
[13:26:35] <GuShH_> a broken vise ?
[13:26:43] <cradek> I fly-cut my first cheap mill vise to make it flat, and it was much better
[13:27:17] <GuShH_> cradek: sure you can improve it.. see them as projects.. but maybe you need a working vise "now"
[13:27:59] <GuShH_> also despite the cheap labour and whatnot, they are already machining the surfaces.. but they manage to get them all crooked, it's beyond me. mostly because they would have jigs to mass produce them, right?
[13:28:01] <cradek> you skipped over the "if you have more time than money" part of my suggestion
[13:28:24] <GuShH_> I don't know if time is highly relevant for "home" stuff
[13:28:28] <GuShH_> depends
[13:28:56] <cradek> some cheap stuff is just decent castings that need finish machining
[13:29:04] <_methods> ^^
[13:29:10] <cradek> keep eyes open, buy at the appropriate price point
[13:29:19] <Jymmm> You do what you can with what you got. Something is better than nothing at all....
[13:29:21] <GuShH_> projects
[13:29:24] <Jymmm> "We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing."
[13:29:47] <GuShH_> Jymmm: Hrmm... my point is, you could always find something better, used, for the same price... but some people enjoy unboxing shit.
[13:29:52] <GuShH_> they get off at that it seems
[13:30:02] <GuShH_> same OR LOWER price actually.
[13:30:12] <GuShH_> and sometimes slightly more, but you get quality.
[13:31:00] <Jymmm> GuShH_: Reality dictates that finding/affording such jems rarely coincides when actually needed.
[13:31:11] <_methods> believe me i'm always tryin to pick up vises at auctions..........but so is everyone else lol
[13:31:46] <GuShH_> bah you are always buying china shit!
[13:32:12] <GuShH_> bet you sleep wearing a shars tshirt, also made in china.
[13:32:15] * GuShH_ shakes fist
[13:32:33] <Jymmm> Oh hey, how do you tell if firewood is still green or has been seasoned long enough?
[13:32:48] <XXCoder> GuShH_: you probably cant throw a rock and NOT hit china product
[13:32:51] <GuShH_> sound
[13:32:53] <GuShH_> conductivity
[13:32:55] <GuShH_> weight
[13:33:05] <XXCoder> even american made stuff is made there, and "assembled" in usa
[13:33:28] <GuShH_> XXCoder: so? I know a lot is made there
[13:33:49] <Jymmm> GuShH_: simpler and what exactly to look for?
[13:35:02] <GuShH_> Jymmm: you want the absolute dumb simple answer? throw it in the fire, if it steams a lot it's still green :p
[13:35:25] <_methods> haha i thought he was leading up to some kind of joke
[13:35:28] <humble_sea_bass> take a kindling off it
[13:35:42] <_methods> they have a water meter you could use
[13:35:49] <_methods> can;t remember what it's called
[13:35:52] <GuShH_> takes about a year for mine to dry out, never care to check anything it just looks right
[13:35:52] <XXCoder> if it still has green leaves on it, it's still green
[13:36:07] <GuShH_> _methods: I said "conductivity"
[13:36:53] <_methods> http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/products.htm?item=MO210&ref=gbase&gclid=CNPnnLiN470CFYMcOgodpAcAwA
[13:37:21] <GuShH_> if you get one of those you are an absolute friggin nerd
[13:37:35] <GuShH_> (because you said firewood)
[13:37:37] <_methods> or you work with lumber all day
[13:37:43] <GuShH_> no, he said firewood.
[13:37:53] <GuShH_> it's not expensive wood for a cabinet project
[13:38:07] <GuShH_> throw it and listen to the wood...
[13:38:17] <GuShH_> when properly dry the sound is not dull
[13:40:05] <shaun413_> Hi gushh
[13:40:07] <Jymmm> I got soem free firewood last month for camping later this year. I have no idea how long it's been sitting around for. looks "aged", but thats useless. Walnut, heavy though.
[13:40:39] <GuShH_> so let's spend 80 bucks to figure out how moist it is
[13:40:41] * GuShH_ rofls
[13:40:43] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Yeah, I might try that.
[13:41:17] <Jymmm> GuShH_: Sure, Insert YOUR cc here --> [ ]
[13:41:34] <shaun413_> You could just try to light a bit on fire
[13:41:37] * GuShH_ inserts banana
[13:41:38] <shaun413_> If it burns its dry
[13:41:38] <mozmck> Jymmm: you can tell by cutting it. I never worry about it - just burn it and see.
[13:41:45] <shaun413_> ^
[13:41:51] <GuShH_> that's been suggested
[13:42:06] <GuShH_> shaun413_: and your lathe, where is it
[13:42:17] <Jymmm> mozmck: It would seriously suck if it was still green and a cold night cmaping
[13:42:23] <mozmck> It will burn green as well, just takes longer to get going good.
[13:42:50] <Jymmm> mozmck: Ha, not always. Sometimes just smolders a LOT
[13:43:23] <GuShH_> brought to you by BEAR GRILLS (burgers)
[13:43:37] <mozmck> I think walnut would do pretty well. I've burnt about every wood around here both green and dry - mostly in a woodstove though.
[13:43:47] <shaun413_> Gushh_ still looking
[13:43:54] * GuShH_ wants a fancy woodstove
[13:44:01] <GuShH_> either that or close up the fireplace
[13:44:03] <Jymmm> I'll try to split the largest chunk (10" diam) and see how it is
[13:44:10] <GuShH_> oh it's not split?
[13:44:16] <Jymmm> nope
[13:44:27] <GuShH_> that hardly qualifies as firewood!
[13:44:36] <shaun413_> That's a tree
[13:44:37] <GuShH_> see if it's cracked within the center, that gives you an estimation of time
[13:44:41] <GuShH_> "at least it dried enough to crack"
[13:44:46] <Jymmm> k
[13:44:53] <mozmck> If it's wood it's firewood
[13:44:54] <shaun413_> If it splits easy its good to burn
[13:45:19] <mozmck> I cut my own from trees.
[13:45:19] <GuShH_> I might have to get a woodstove for this winter....
[13:45:28] <GuShH_> natural gas went up by 500%
[13:45:35] <_methods> winters coming
[13:45:43] <Jymmm> Walnut isn't as "stringy" as oak is when splitting it, is it?
[13:45:50] <mozmck> shaun413_: that might be true for walnut - I don't know, but it's not true for a lot of woods.
[13:45:57] <shaun413_> Walnut is hard
[13:46:09] <GuShH_> oak is stringy? I have white / american oak and it splits fine :/
[13:46:23] <mozmck> oak varies as well - some is stringy, some not.
[13:46:24] <GuShH_> I like turning oak
[13:46:33] <Jymmm> mozmck: ah
[13:46:40] <GuShH_> green is even more fun
[13:46:57] <Jymmm> mozmck: I'm just happy it's not pine or other soft FAST burning =)
[13:46:59] <mozmck> The hardest wood around here puts walnut to shame for hardness, but splits quite easily green.
[13:47:14] <_methods> madrone?
[13:47:24] <mozmck> bois d'ark
[13:48:03] <_methods> those look evil
[13:48:11] * GuShH_ hands shaun413_ a grinding disc
[13:48:17] <shaun413_> Wow
[13:48:30] <shaun413_> So. Anyone an expert at restoration
[13:48:39] <GuShH_> restoring what?
[13:48:39] <mozmck> of what?
[13:48:44] * GuShH_ points at archivist
[13:48:45] <shaun413_> A little hand drill
[13:48:51] <GuShH_> it needs no restoration
[13:48:53] <GuShH_> it's perfect.
[13:49:02] <zeeshan> is it a wall mount hand drill
[13:49:02] <shaun413_> I want make it look new
[13:49:10] <GuShH_> but it looks fine...
[13:49:12] <shaun413_> Not for use. For display
[13:49:16] <GuShH_> it just lot a bit of the paint
[13:49:23] <GuShH_> take it all apart then
[13:49:29] <shaun413_> Paint is chipped. Metal is not shiny
[13:49:35] <GuShH_> it's iron
[13:49:38] <shaun413_> Yes
[13:49:41] <GuShH_> it won't be shiny
[13:49:49] <shaun413_> Well some is rusted
[13:49:54] <GuShH_> the brass on the wheel could be made shiny but it looks fine as is
[13:50:12] <mozmck> I restored an old hobart mixer recently, and found out they used a lot of filler on the cast iron.
[13:50:27] <GuShH_> mozmck: odd
[13:50:28] <GuShH_> they do that in china
[13:50:29] <Jymmm> mozmck: bondo?
[13:50:30] <GuShH_> a lot.
[13:50:39] <GuShH_> those chinese knee mills are mostly bondo
[13:50:41] <mozmck> found it out accidentally after removing it.
[13:50:49] <shaun413_> http://imgur.com/SBbIknY
[13:50:53] <zeeshan> GuShH_: not the ones made in taiwan
[13:50:53] <shaun413_> Here's a pic
[13:50:55] <mozmck> No, not bondo, this was circa 1910
[13:50:55] <zeeshan> i have one
[13:50:57] <zeeshan> :P
[13:51:02] <Jymmm> mozmck: ah
[13:51:04] <GuShH_> the eclipse was meh yesterday
[13:51:11] <GuShH_> woke up at ~4AM to watch it
[13:51:16] <GuShH_> went "meh" after a minute, back to bed.
[13:51:23] <mozmck> They used lacquer mixed with stuff to make a thick sludge.
[13:51:27] <GuShH_> I was more interested in seeing mars right down by the moon than the eclipse itself
[13:51:39] <shaun413_> How can I repaint thay
[13:51:46] <GuShH_> remove the old paint first..
[13:51:49] <shaun413_> And clean the chuck and gears
[13:51:54] <GuShH_> electrolytic method or chemical method
[13:51:58] <GuShH_> abrassive will damage your surface
[13:52:02] <shaun413_> Hm
[13:52:13] <GuShH_> (you said restoration, I assume "proper")
[13:52:14] <shaun413_> I see
[13:52:18] <shaun413_> Yes proper
[13:52:27] <GuShH_> paint strippers are NASTY stuff.
[13:52:33] <shaun413_> Yes..
[13:53:01] <GuShH_> if you use the "electrolytic rust removal" method it will pop the paint out
[13:53:09] <Jymmm> GuShH_: So are Exotic Strippers
[13:53:11] <GuShH_> not sure gassing would be an issue, but you can cook the part for a while
[13:53:17] <GuShH_> Jymmm: they are?
[13:53:30] <MrHindsight> shaun413_: did you pick a lathe and bring it home?
[13:53:31] <GuShH_> you are meant to watch only
[13:53:34] <shaun413_> So electrolysis is the way to go
[13:53:40] <shaun413_> No mrhindsiht
[13:53:52] <GuShH_> shaun413_: it will leave a black sludgy surface
[13:54:08] <shaun413_> Ok
[13:54:09] <GuShH_> might have to try acid bath or scrub it
[13:54:14] <shaun413_> Acid...
[13:54:28] <GuShH_> just enough to "desmut" the surface
[13:54:40] <shaun413_> What type of acid
[13:54:46] <GuShH_> (it's not really desmutting is it)
[13:54:50] <MrHindsight> or send the smut to Jymmm :)
[13:55:18] <GuShH_> shaun413_: which do you have around?
[13:55:30] <shaun413_> Not much
[13:55:32] <XXCoder> wow http://dblg.co.uk/work/stairs
[13:55:33] <shaun413_> Acetic
[13:55:36] <shaun413_> :p
[13:56:14] <GuShH_> I bet a tub full of cocacola will do.
[13:56:17] <GuShH_> that shit will strip your teeth out.
[13:56:26] <shaun413_> Yep..
[13:56:28] * GuShH_ shakes fist
[13:56:33] <shaun413_> That's why I don't drink it :p
[13:56:39] <GuShH_> Me neither
[13:56:39] <MrHindsight> phosphoric acid
[13:56:42] <shaun413_> ^
[13:57:00] <shaun413_> Once you see what it does to metals.
[13:57:06] <shaun413_> I don't think anyone would drink it
[13:57:45] <shaun413_> So. What's the process here. Electrolysis and then acid
[13:58:18] <shaun413_> Is probably lead paint. Its old
[13:58:35] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/350464679016?lpid=82
[13:59:03] <shaun413_> Just drink that
[14:02:47] <shaun413_> http://www.wkfinetools.com/trestore/boringTools/No2A-1957/No2A-1957-01.asp
[14:02:48] <GuShH_> shaun413_: http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn5299f.jpg some odd profiles on the used ones, not sure what the guy was doing... at all. aside from a couple forming tools, parting and facing, the rest are alien to me.
[14:02:53] <shaun413_> This looks very similar
[14:03:02] <shaun413_> And what I'm aiming for in restoration
[14:03:05] <GuShH_> I had to clean, dry and oil the blank ones.
[14:03:44] <archivist> hmmm hss
[14:03:53] <XXCoder> I has one of those hand crank drills
[14:03:56] <GuShH_> some grades I'm not sure what they're for in there
[14:03:57] <XXCoder> dad's
[14:04:04] <MrHindsight> http://www.homedepot.com/s/Fast-Acting%2520Phosphoric%2520Acid%2520Cleaner?NCNI-5
[14:04:19] <GuShH_> shaun413_: that restoration looks nice... but I like them as-is also
[14:04:48] <GuShH_> I'm not sure they looked that good when brand new
[14:05:31] <shaun413_> I like restored:p
[14:05:53] <archivist> there is "over restored" too
[14:06:01] <GuShH_> there's an antique store I often walk by... the guy is an idiot, he just paints everything and does a poor job at it
[14:06:17] <GuShH_> he just paints on top of the dirt pretty much.
[14:06:25] <XXCoder> ow
[14:06:36] <XXCoder> archivist: indeed, sometimes used look is amazing
[14:06:39] <GuShH_> never bought a thing there.
[14:06:47] <archivist> there should be some war wounds left to show if it had a hard life
[14:06:55] <XXCoder> the handdrill my father left to my brother has orginial everything
[14:08:00] <GuShH_> "original blood stains"
[14:08:09] <archivist> eg this shows hard life http://www.adjustable.archivist.info/
[14:08:15] <shaun413_> I want to restore it . and do it correctly
[14:09:24] <archivist> but this is badly restored http://www.adjustable.archivist.info/?p=117
[14:10:09] <shaun413_> How much is this worth
[14:10:46] <archivist> eggbeater drill have a collectors market, depends
[14:11:36] <XXCoder> I also has other one thats quite strange drill
[14:11:37] <archivist> oldtools mailing list for woodworking tools, users and collectors
[14:11:45] <XXCoder> you pump handle in and out and it rotates
[14:12:13] <archivist> pump drills were common in clock and watch making too
[14:15:53] <XXCoder> cool tool, one I have is huge though lol
[14:16:10] <XXCoder> one inch diameter
[14:24:51] <Einar> Shaun413_: If you strip that drill, clean off all the paint and apply new, then it will look like a brand new chinese tool. In my eyes it will be destroyed.
[14:26:10] <shaun413_> :/
[14:26:26] <shaun413_> So what to do
[14:26:45] <archivist> these days it is frowned upon to over restore in the museum world
[14:27:06] <shaun413_> Ok
[14:27:07] <archivist> it should be "conserved"
[14:27:09] <shaun413_> What should I do
[14:27:14] <shaun413_> Its in crap shape
[14:27:30] <archivist> as a worker, you can do what you like
[14:27:57] <Einar> Clean off loose dirt using gun oil or similar. Then hang it on the wall.
[14:28:14] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Nah, the smut is all yours!
[14:28:27] <archivist> if it is rare you should be careful else wire brusk can do wonders
[14:28:44] <Einar> In crap shape? Let's see how you look 75 years from now. :-9
[14:28:46] <archivist> brush
[14:28:51] <Jymmm> wire cup brush ftw!!!
[14:29:10] <shaun413_> :/
[14:29:17] <Jymmm> ...chucked in a drill of course
[14:29:22] <archivist> I usually use a wire brush at a lower than usual rpm
[14:29:23] <shaun413_> I wanted yo.polish it
[14:29:40] <Einar> Not wire brush! If any, use a brass wire brush.
[14:29:42] <shaun413_> The paint is all chipped
[14:30:03] <Jymmm> Einar: brass for paint removal???
[14:30:19] <archivist> Einar, wire brush used reasonably does wonders http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=barber+colman
[14:30:25] <Einar> Or better, just a toothbrush. But don't brush your teeth with it after that.
[14:30:55] <Einar> Why remove paint?
[14:31:18] <archivist> also scraper and very fine wet and dry paper
[14:31:45] <archivist> I make my own scrapers using HSS lathe bits
[14:31:47] <Jymmm> scotchbringt pad, but very very careful with it
[14:32:14] <shaun413_> So clean with oil and be done?
[14:32:29] <archivist> depends, you choose
[14:32:50] <Jymmm> sometimes just household vinegar works too
[14:32:55] <shaun413_> Crap ones go for 40 restored cost 250
[14:33:02] <archivist> it is the restorers problem to chose the best method for each item
[14:33:39] <Jymmm> archivist++
[14:35:02] <XXCoder> what a fucking idiot http://cdn4.cubiclebot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/132.jpg?363b75
[14:35:20] <archivist> I am working on a rough clock at the moment, looks like is was roughly made new, so I have to be as bad as the original work
[14:35:27] <Einar> If I restor a machine I'm going to use a lot, I will over-restore it. Nice to look at. But the egg beater drill I used to make my first holes with 55 years ago
[14:35:38] <Einar> I will just clean it up.
[14:36:27] <Jymmm> XXCoder: So, how do you like your silver nissan?
[14:36:38] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://weblog.sinteur.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Ua65v.jpg
[14:36:42] <XXCoder> lol
[14:37:00] <XXCoder> my car isnt that nice and shiny :P
[14:37:01] <Einar> A well used, not abused tool will look much better if just clean.
[14:37:22] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I thought it might have been photoshopped, but doesn't look like it *sigh*
[14:37:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:39:14] <Einar> In our "man cave" we have one wall where we put old items. Just hosed down and hung up on the wall. The guys who used them never polished them.
[14:39:37] <XXCoder> talking about restoration, never polish coins. period.
[14:40:15] <Einar> I never polish coins. I don't have them long enough.
[14:40:59] <syyl_ws> a coin is just a washer without a hole trough it ;)
[14:41:51] <XXCoder> lol
[14:42:08] <Einar> Our coins had, and have holes. Nice feature. You can put a string through them and reuse them in the verding machines. ;-)
[14:42:16] <Einar> -vending
[14:42:35] <MrHindsight> never had any Polish coins
[14:43:33] <Einar> MrHindsight: You don't have to polish Zlloty. They are already Polish.
[14:43:43] <XXCoder> lol theres designs in some vend machines to make travel irreversable
[14:45:11] <XXCoder> *travel of coin
[14:46:31] <Einar> Anyone know a grass mower that I can program in Gcode?
[14:46:51] <XXCoder> lol I would love that too
[14:46:54] <XXCoder> I hate mowing
[14:47:21] <XXCoder> really all you need is method to precise place your mower
[14:47:33] <XXCoder> and make mower controllable by computer
[14:48:04] <Einar> I looked at one of these automatic mowers. But I think the programmer was drinking too much.
[14:48:52] <Einar> It could not even get itself mated with the charger.
[14:49:08] <XXCoder> lol
[14:49:45] <MrHindsight> http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Ball-Bearings/6800-2RSBearing I wonder what the axial load rating is on these?
[14:50:35] <Einar> Hmm... Maybe a way to grab some money by crowdfunding?
[14:50:46] <XXCoder> Einar: go for it
[14:51:33] <MrHindsight> just make it work like a Roomba with limits and gps
[14:52:36] <Einar> MrHindsight: Not much. Use 2 angle contact bearings if you plan on making a spindle.
[14:52:38] <MrHindsight> I doubt if you'll get it to pass UL though
[14:52:45] <archivist> MrHindsight, the skf bearing book is worth getting to know about loading
[14:53:03] <MrHindsight> archivist: I was looking for that
[14:53:58] <MrHindsight> Einar: nah, just for replacements on ballscrews in cheap routers
[14:54:19] <archivist> originally written in 1946 :)
[14:54:21] <MrHindsight> low speed maybe a few Kg of load
[14:54:34] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=skf
[14:54:58] <archivist> I am sure I have a later one somewhere
[14:55:11] <Einar> Try here: http://www.skf.com/binary/30-114791/M190-730-MRC-Engineering-Handbook-April2010.pdf
[14:55:54] <MrHindsight> I must have too many script/ad blockers on
[14:56:54] <Einar> MrHindsight: Other parts of your router will probably be more concern than those bearings. But use 2 in preload to avoid backlash.
[14:57:58] <Einar> The speed of a BS will be very low, so you can preload it quite a bit.
[14:58:39] <MrHindsight> Einar: you missed my rebuild
[14:58:57] <XXCoder> speed of bullshit is very low, need to preload it ;)
[14:59:21] <MrHindsight> Chinese 4530 router with the ballscrew bearings that float in the pockets
[14:59:56] <MrHindsight> I have to shim them to set preload
[15:00:20] <MrHindsight> they cut the ballscrews too short to be able to put threads on them
[15:00:35] <Einar> Hehe. The Chinese use ballscrews to screw it up?
[15:01:02] <MrHindsight> heh
[15:01:51] <Einar> I think 5bears shows modifying ballscrews to fit?
[15:02:14] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/305831
[15:03:12] <MrHindsight> I could cut them down but I'd loose travel or just replace them
[15:03:40] <MrHindsight> but it doesn't see much load since it down't cut anything
[15:04:15] <MrHindsight> but for a few more minutes work and $1 more in parts they could have made them properly
[15:04:47] <Einar> In that design you can use a pair of 6800. ... Yes you're right. But maybe they don't know how?
[15:05:20] <archivist> they wont put the effort in, keep it cheap
[15:05:27] <MrHindsight> I'd have to cut the screw to make 2 bearings fit and there isn't much axial load
[15:06:11] <Einar> Turn down the ballscrew. Make an extension where you put your bearings.
[15:06:15] <MrHindsight> they probably don't know, they probably copied some design and missed the point of the nuts on the screws
[15:07:17] <MrHindsight> if it was cutting or traveling fast I just wouldn't bother using these
[15:08:07] <Einar> Put in some metal to make your uprights like T and not flat.
[15:08:41] <Einar> They have no stiffness in Y.
[15:08:57] <MrHindsight> if it was cutting it would be an issue
[15:09:06] <Einar> Uhh? Laser?
[15:09:28] <MrHindsight> nozzle, cameras, lasers all non-contact
[15:09:53] <MrHindsight> I surprised they sell these as routers
[15:10:10] <Einar> OK. But on Y moves it will need a bit of time to stop wobbling.
[15:10:33] <MrHindsight> they might as well sell inkjet carriages as router parts
[15:11:14] <MrHindsight> haven't had any measurable wobble
[15:11:26] <MrHindsight> more vibration from the bearings
[15:11:54] <MrHindsight> it's just junk all the way around
[15:12:14] <MrHindsight> I thought I could save them but it's just too poorly made
[15:12:48] <Shaun__> Oh hi
[15:12:49] <MrHindsight> the bearings either have flat spots or just assembled with dirt at the factory
[15:13:06] <Shaun__> I oiled up the drill a bits
[15:13:08] <Shaun__> it runs nice
[15:13:40] <Connor> shaun413 What does ?
[15:13:50] <shaun413> little hand drill
[15:14:06] <MrHindsight> radial dynamic load is 8k N on those bearings
[15:21:11] <Einar> Shaun413: Well done. Now hang it on the wall. Later you can tell your grandchildren how much work it was to make a hole in 2014. They will probably use a hand held CO2 laser.
[15:21:28] <shaun413> i use a real drill
[15:21:44] <shaun413> this was an eggbeater drill from 1920/
[15:21:45] <shaun413> ?
[15:21:58] <Einar> You don't need to tell them. ;-)
[15:22:11] <shaun413> harhar
[15:54:48] <Connor> Anyone seen a touch probe that's setup to indicate off of a rod? Example use would be placing a drill bit, or rod in a fixture on the table.. and having the spindle center to it..
[15:55:07] <Jymmm> Einar: Consider ponder what it takes jsut to make a paperclip, or even a #2 pencil.
[15:55:27] <Jymmm> or a single ball bearing
[15:55:57] <Jymmm> Connor: sounds like a center finder
[15:56:07] <Connor> Jymmm: Pretty much. yea.
[15:56:49] <Jymmm> Connor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYT8MNljqdk
[15:57:34] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-cAnQqpXs0
[15:57:45] <Connor> something like he does in the video..
[16:00:51] <Jymmm> Connor: You really dont need a TOOL to do that, just the touch off process
[16:01:44] <Jymmm> Connor: chuck a piece of pipe that has shrink tubing over it, then a rod mounted on the table
[16:02:17] <Einar> Why not use a dial indicator?
[16:02:28] <Jymmm> Connor: as long as the pipe is true, and the rod is true and square, you're good to go
[16:02:49] <Jymmm> Einar: He need to align the two it seems
[16:03:32] <Connor> Automate the process of centering X and Y with the Z for using the mill as a vertical lathe.
[16:04:06] <Einar> A dial indicator in the spindle does it.
[16:04:35] <Connor> I would rather chuck the probe in the spindle.. and mount the rod.. and hit a macro.. much faster and easier.
[16:04:48] <Connor> and should be just as accurate.
[16:05:33] <Deejay> gn8
[16:20:21] <Jymmm> JEEBUS http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/mensuration_instruments.htm
[16:23:07] <shaun413> :/
[16:27:45] <syyl--> thats some fine measuring equipment
[16:27:58] <syyl--> i thing i got the same mitutoyo digital indicator ;)
[16:28:08] <zeeshan> Mitutoyo electronic indicators (" range) with a Noga magnetic base indicator holder (all from Japan).
[16:28:12] <zeeshan> noga is made in israel..
[16:28:29] <syyl--> and mitutoyo in japan :)
[16:28:31] <syyl--> oh
[16:28:36] <syyl--> he wrote "all made"
[16:28:38] <syyl--> ;)
[16:28:39] <syyl--> crap
[16:31:19] <MrHindsight> those deep groove bearings will hold up fine with thrust loads under the 1/2 max radial load
[16:33:28] <WalterN> besides ebay, where is a good place to get beefy stepper motors?
[16:33:54] <MrHindsight> automation technology imports the Chinese steppers
[16:34:43] <MrHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/stepper-motors
[16:35:05] <WalterN> ah yeah
[16:39:53] <MrHindsight> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Motion_Control/Stepper_Systems/Stepper_Motors_-z-_Cables#start=0&rows=100
[16:40:23] <MrHindsight> they go up to NEMA 34 DOUBLE SHAFT 1290 oz-in
[16:45:43] <XXCoder> any larger than nema34? lol
[16:46:11] <Connor> XXCoder: Yes, but, typically best to go with servo's at that point.
[16:46:25] <WalterN> so I just need to decide what oz-inch rating I want
[16:46:32] <XXCoder> interesting. ok
[16:46:55] <Connor> http://www.alliedmotion.com/Products/Series.aspx?s=74
[16:48:13] <Connor> My nema 560oz steppers are nema 23's.. the bolt hole pattern that is.. but, they're slightly larger than a standard nema 23 frame.. so be careful...
[16:55:33] <WalterN> hmm
[16:56:13] <WalterN> think 500 is enough?
[16:56:25] <WalterN> or hmm
[16:57:26] <WalterN> that would be 31lbs
[16:57:45] <WalterN> probably enough
[16:58:50] <zeeshan> whatcha powering
[16:59:29] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251469747229 anyone found similar relay boards for ~$12
[16:59:37] <WalterN> bar feeder for a horizontal band saw
[17:25:36] <MrHindsight> WalterN: depends on your gearing/pulleys
[17:33:48] <WalterN> MrHindsight: basically connected right on to a ballscrew
[17:34:04] <WalterN> but
[17:34:12] <WalterN> yeah, 500 should be more than enough
[17:35:42] <MrHindsight> is the load carried on the ballscrew?
[17:37:15] <WalterN> yeah
[18:08:01] <shaun413> hello
[18:08:29] <shaun413> so, should I restore my miller falls hand drill?
[18:34:12] <shaun413> anyone know how to clean rust out of knurling?
[19:15:33] <Jymmm> Man, just trying to install the final XP updates is such a pita... one is broken and failed to install properly. The fix for the fix it probably more troublesome than the orignal fix itself.
[19:21:03] <Jymmm> Just in case anyone comes across this error when doing an XP Update... "KB2686509 - Failure Due to Missing DLL Files", here's a fix for it: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/10880.kb2686509-failure-due-to-missing-dll-files.aspx
[19:29:30] <ChuangTzu> test
[19:29:32] <ChuangTzu> weird
[19:30:54] <shaun413> hi
[19:31:02] <shaun413> what are the proper paints for metals?
[19:31:06] <shaun413> is enamel ok?
[19:31:08] <shaun413> for a tool
[19:31:58] <ChuangTzu> what does it need to hold up against?
[19:32:04] <shaun413> use
[19:32:08] <shaun413> its a hand drill
[19:33:37] <Tom_itx> powder coat it
[19:33:40] <shaun413> :/
[19:34:27] <Tom_itx> why paint a hand drill anyway?
[19:35:19] <shaun413> im restoring it
[19:35:42] <Tom_itx> chrome plate it
[19:36:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Pfff GOLD BABY GOLD
[19:48:56] <shaun413> is it bad to use steel wool to restore metal?
[19:49:06] <shaun413> or scotch brite?
[19:52:13] <ChuangTzu> depends what you mean by restore
[19:52:23] <shaun413> make it look nice
[19:52:49] <shaun413> http://d2amilv9vi9flo.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/MillersFalls1.jpg
[19:52:53] <shaun413> make it look like this
[19:54:16] <MrHindsight> epoxies are tough but not UV resistant, Polyesters also work well
[19:54:27] <shaun413> what about ridding the tarnish
[19:54:29] <shaun413> and rust
[19:55:40] <MrHindsight> powder coating works well and is popular since you get a thick layer of polymer in one coat
[19:56:20] <shaun413> how do you powerdercoat?
[19:56:37] <MrHindsight> prepping the surface is what really makes the difference
[19:57:04] <MrHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating
[19:57:53] <MrHindsight> electrostatic dry coating process followed by heating in an oven
[19:59:46] <MrHindsight> automotive urethanes may be sprayed so it's more DIY
[20:00:04] <shaun413> what aout removing the rust
[20:00:07] <Groguard> Does anyone know anything about these steppers? Im trying to find some info on them. I checked the manufacturer with no luck, as well as a google search. tormach DRM 23hm6406
[20:00:12] <shaun413> from the chuck
[20:00:15] <shaun413> and such
[20:00:22] <XXCoder> bead or walnut vlast em
[20:00:27] <XXCoder> blast
[20:01:21] <MrHindsight> I've blended some 2K urethanes that were almost too tough to sand after a few hours
[20:02:06] <XXCoder> where can I find recipes and howto for making artifical surface stone?
[20:02:32] <MrHindsight> look for epoxy granite
[20:02:39] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Moon, Mars, etc
[20:02:42] <MrHindsight> lots of diy blogs
[20:02:43] <Jymmm> Groguard: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mach-software-artsoft-software-/61187-need-help-configuring-z-axis-mach-3-a.html
[20:02:50] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: thnks
[20:03:13] <Jymmm> XXCoder: backlot of "Moon Landing"
[20:03:22] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: it's 10-20% epoxy to aggregate
[20:03:45] <XXCoder> cool. Some of those creations looked really cool, I wanted to try something.
[20:03:47] <Groguard> Jymmm: These are a stepper motor, not mach3 issue
[20:04:00] <Groguard> Im just trying to figure out some info on them
[20:04:02] <Jymmm> Groguard: read the fucking article
[20:04:26] <Jymmm> it DOES have info on them
[20:04:32] <XXCoder> wow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoxy_granite this has machine with lots epoxy granite
[20:05:17] <Groguard> Jymmm: They are close but not the same, take a chill pill
[20:05:20] <MrHindsight> remove the bulk rust by blasting, sanding etc, then for the microscopic spots acid etch
[20:05:40] <XXCoder> I guess walnut is best on rust removal, but could be wrongf
[20:05:45] <Jymmm> Groguard: dont be an ass when someone offers you info that you requested.
[20:06:01] <Jymmm> Groguard: Even if it's not exactly what you wanted.
[20:06:09] <Groguard> Jymmm: I dont think I was being an ass, you were later
[20:06:49] <XXCoder> watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqWG0vNmKIQ
[20:11:12] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sqCSXyKbU interesting too
[20:12:21] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ljRceFba0 followup using icrap device
[20:19:11] <MrHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exXwUarxb6A Granite lathe
[20:20:20] <XXCoder> http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/APr3t3nd3r/media/Southbend%209in/Epoxy%20Granite/GraniteMachineBase.jpg.html
[20:20:22] <XXCoder> heavy
[21:16:39] <shaun413_> Hu
[21:16:41] <shaun413_> Hi
[22:29:47] <Jymmm> I just tried splitting a 5" log... Yeah... FORGET IT!!
[22:30:18] <NickParker> does kwallace still pop on fairly often?
[22:30:27] <NickParker> I guess I should just email him...
[22:35:08] <witnit> what kind of splitter?
[22:38:01] <witnit> NickParker http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/search?q=kwallace&channel=&go=Go
[22:38:57] <witnit> maybe you could see by looking around that place o
[22:39:21] <NickParker> witnit: Ooh, that's a handy tool. Doesn't look like he's about much. It doesn't matter though, I was going through old emails and actually just found most of the info I was looking for
[22:40:05] <witnit> I just did a search for someone typing his name
[23:15:17] <shaun413_> Hey
[23:16:37] <shaun413_> I tried some scotchbrite on the metal
[23:16:44] <shaun413_> Didn't do much
[23:16:45] <mozmck> Jymmm: you need something like this http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200621546_200621546
[23:16:49] <shaun413_> What else can I try
[23:16:59] <humble_sea_bass> urine works wonders
[23:17:10] <shaun413_> :/
[23:17:51] <Jymmm> mozmck: No, this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HZztie5ac
[23:19:01] <shaun413> I'm not peeing on it
[23:19:41] <mozmck> Jymmm: heh, that looks interesting. I've split many cords or wood with a Monster Maul - similar to the link except heavier and better.
[23:20:58] <Jymmm> mozmck: I hamered a machetti6" deep... it just laughed at me
[23:21:16] <shaun413> I split wood with my teeth
[23:21:16] <mozmck> yes, you need a wedge
[23:21:43] <Jymmm> mozmck: It's just green is what it is.
[23:22:06] <Jymmm> mozmck: The ends have natural split in them, but that's it
[23:22:28] <Jymmm> cracks whatever
[23:22:48] <shaun413> Get a splitting wedge
[23:24:33] <Jymmm> mozmck: I'll just bring some 190 proof with me ;)
[23:25:06] <shaun413> O.0
[23:28:08] <shaun413> Soooo
[23:28:19] <shaun413> Its about that time of day
[23:28:36] <shaun413> time for lathe search!