#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-14

[05:44:17] <Deejay> hi
[07:06:26] <Tom_itx> omg... it was 82F yesterday, now it's snowing
[07:10:30] <XXCoder> hot snow. heh
[07:44:11] <Tom_itx> nope still in Ks where the weather changes every 5 min
[07:53:54] <GuShH_> Tom_itx: So the grass is too sharp huh
[07:54:37] <GuShH_> Speaking of which, how come now I'm having to pick up a purchase, after the seller said he would send it over because "it's in my way to work" ?
[07:57:31] <archivist> picking up means you can look at the sellers pile and try to get extra free/cheap goodies
[07:59:29] <GuShH_> archivist: well we already established as much but he was going to bring the extra stuff on his way to work
[07:59:40] <GuShH_> he wants me to pick it up at the automotive plant he works at...
[07:59:52] <GuShH_> not very convenient.
[08:01:17] <archivist> I went a long way for some assorted stereo zoom microscopes, came back with an HP 3562A, win
[08:01:19] <GuShH_> (2 hours lost for me, it would have been 30 minutes for him)
[08:01:38] <GuShH_> I just traced it on google maps, to figure out where the plant is at.
[08:02:00] <GuShH_> but it's ok.
[08:02:30] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCTM/EQ/2009_01_01_a/P3222889_3562A.jpg
[08:02:38] <GuShH_> archivist: he's got some jacobs chucks, some british keyless chucks and live centers I'm interested in, plus a lot of HSS bits I need (which is what I already purchased)... I doubt they've got much else at the plant
[08:03:03] <GuShH_> Faurecia is a big plant, they most likely run carbide insert on everything and they don't keep crap around.
[08:03:13] <GuShH_> assuming they manufacture stuff.
[08:03:25] <archivist> carbide is worth a reasonable amount scrap
[08:03:32] <GuShH_> (I'm kidding of course they do it's a massive plant)
[08:03:56] <GuShH_> But I think they deal with catalytic converters or similar stuff
[08:04:02] <GuShH_> So perhaps mostly stamping work
[08:04:26] <archivist> and welding/plating
[08:08:24] <GuShH_> most likely
[08:08:32] <TekniQue> 12:45:05 < archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCTM/EQ/2009_01_01_a/P3222889_3562A.jpg
[08:08:44] <TekniQue> what is that, a network analyzer?
[08:08:59] <GuShH_> signal analyzer!
[08:09:15] <GuShH_> that's after you cleaned it up or as you got it?
[08:11:29] <archivist> after a bit of a clean and fix one key
[08:12:10] <archivist> sort of a dual spectrum/network analyser .001hs to 25khz
[08:12:52] <archivist> but since then it died and I am looking for a shottky diode to fix it
[08:14:05] <GuShH_> one of the odd diodes nobody has anymore?
[08:14:06] <archivist> it is meant for mechanical system testing
[08:14:38] <archivist> yes a rare type of diode case
[08:15:13] <archivist> I think it is going to get modded to fit a later type
[08:16:01] <archivist> it is half the switchmode rectifier half wave rectifier
[08:18:35] <archivist> 50V 75A VSK71
[08:24:23] <GuShH_> from the smps?
[08:24:41] <GuShH_> why do you need exactly the same diode? for historical reasons? heh
[08:25:20] <archivist> well it would bolt in, where this need a fiddle http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190836942357
[08:26:43] <GuShH_> why does it need so much power?
[08:27:06] <archivist> no idea, this is better voltage right case http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/60HQ100-Schottky-Rectifier-Diode-100v-60A-DO5-IR-Blocking-Polarity-Safety-etc-/181376376244
[08:27:38] <GuShH_> it might give the smps diarrhea though.
[08:27:54] <GuShH_> (mexico)
[08:28:15] * GuShH_ likes spicy food but he draws the line right about there
[08:28:37] <GuShH_> it should make you sweat coming in, not out.
[08:28:39] * GuShH_ runs
[09:57:02] <witnit> http://oi60.tinypic.com/2zp70gn.jpg
[09:57:47] <witnit> http://oi61.tinypic.com/21kb881.jpg
[09:58:07] <witnit> intermec 3400 thermal label printer
[09:58:11] <witnit> verrrrrrrry handy
[10:12:12] <Jymmm> So is a hooker when you think about it.
[10:12:42] <Jymmm> witnit: Where did the beige come from?
[10:13:17] <witnit> pre printed like that I suppose
[10:13:25] <TekniQue> witnit: is it a thermal transfer or does it use labels impregnated with thermal ink?
[10:13:32] <Jymmm> witnit: ah
[10:13:40] <witnit> preggers
[10:13:50] <TekniQue> k
[10:14:00] <witnit> I think?
[10:14:20] <TekniQue> yeah that's what it would be unless it has an ink ribbon
[10:14:21] <witnit> its only like $60 for 5800 labels on ebay
[10:14:38] <witnit> 4x4 though,. they are 4x6
[10:14:42] <TekniQue> I quite like my Dymo Rhino label printer
[10:14:48] <Jymmm> witnit: does the printer have a ribbon in it?
[10:14:52] <witnit> no
[10:14:58] <witnit> thermal print head I guess
[10:15:04] <Jymmm> k
[10:15:17] <witnit> I dont know much about these things but I know I got three of them now and they are awesome
[10:15:18] <Jymmm> so you use thermal labels
[10:15:28] <Jymmm> ?
[10:15:30] <witnit> with the network card in them
[10:15:31] <TekniQue> there's a good selection of labels available for it, including heat shrink tubing
[10:15:37] <TekniQue> very good for labelling wires
[10:15:45] <witnit> ooooh
[10:15:54] <Jymmm> witnit: where did you get some many ?
[10:15:56] <witnit> I think I want to do some more research on it now
[10:16:07] <Jymmm> so many
[10:16:10] <witnit> I buy bulk from this guy about 40 minutes away
[10:16:24] <TekniQue> and it has a module mode to print labels for things like circuit breakers
[10:16:25] <Jymmm> about how much?
[10:16:30] <witnit> and he had three so I got em all and like $500 worth of other stuff
[10:16:36] <witnit> 10 each... maybe...
[10:16:42] <TekniQue> where you enter the width of the modules and it'll align all the labels in the row accordingly
[10:16:43] <witnit> he gets me great deal
[10:17:03] <Jymmm> witnit: Oh man, I've been wanting one for years
[10:17:04] <witnit> wow tekni that sounds great
[10:17:10] <witnit> well I have three
[10:17:36] <Jymmm> witnit: Well, if oyu get a chance, mdel# and what your asking for me
[10:17:39] <witnit> I dont need three
[10:17:46] <Jymmm> one
[10:17:57] <witnit> I can come off off the lower resolution one.
[10:18:01] <witnit> where you live?
[10:18:07] <Jymmm> Calif
[10:18:15] <witnit> Im in indiana
[10:18:16] <TekniQue> https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31.0-8/1082611_10151561608041662_822024172_o.jpg
[10:18:33] <witnit> prettttyyyy
[10:18:44] <Jymmm> That's a LOT of XLR connetors!
[10:18:47] <TekniQue> labelled sockets on my dyno controller
[10:18:57] <witnit> you need more plugs like that tekni?
[10:19:12] <witnit> I think i have about 30 or so
[10:19:18] <TekniQue> I think I have plenty
[10:19:40] <witnit> jymm look up the printer cost and the network cards that go into those printers on ebay
[10:19:43] <TekniQue> this box has 8 3 pin connectors for frequency inputs
[10:19:49] <TekniQue> and 16 4 pin for analog inputs
[10:20:31] <TekniQue> all of the connectors have 12V supply for sensor power and the analog ones have additional 5V reference
[10:20:42] <witnit> add both items together divide the cost in half and cover shipping thats about what I will charge
[10:20:56] <Connor> TekniQue: What was that for ?
[10:21:39] <Jymmm> witnit: Model number?
[10:22:01] <TekniQue> Connor: my dynamometer
[10:22:05] <TekniQue> engine dyno
[10:22:07] <witnit> intermec 3400E
[10:22:18] <witnit> low resolution version 203dip I think
[10:22:19] <TekniQue> that's the sensor interface and controller
[10:22:32] <Jymmm> TekniQue: Yeow, I think I'd use a different connector instead of two of them
[10:22:32] <TekniQue> ARM microcontroller and FPGA
[10:22:47] <TekniQue> speaks ethernet to a control PC
[10:23:12] <Connor> TekniQue: Cool.. Way too many connectors.. :)
[10:23:22] <TekniQue> the connectors are for sensors
[10:23:42] <TekniQue> I don't always use the same set of sensors
[10:23:52] <witnit> but when you do....
[10:24:16] <TekniQue> when I do I can reuse a project configuration file :)
[10:24:21] <witnit> yes!
[10:24:43] <TekniQue> in the PC software, I load a config file that defines all the inputs
[10:24:49] <TekniQue> and scales them to real units
[10:25:10] <TekniQue> from frequency/duty cycle for the digital inputs or voltage for the analog inputs
[10:27:05] <witnit> jymmm: I sell alot of oddball shop things on ebay, anyone from the linuxcnc community can half anything half off, if you see anything else you want we will figure it up and Ill ship all at once http://ebay.com/usr/brassmonkey750
[10:27:16] <witnit> have half off*
[10:28:55] <witnit> the arbor press is probably reserved for zeeshan though :P
[10:34:46] <GuShH_> too bad I live in the wrong country
[10:35:33] <humble_sea_bass> any of you with with Swiss lathes?
[10:36:05] <witnit> nah, which one you inquiring though?
[10:37:48] <humble_sea_bass> none in particular, I was looking at this listing for a medical device manufacturer thing
[10:38:47] <witnit> I do all automatic barloader machines, but no swiss work
[10:38:56] <witnit> those things make a nice part
[10:39:51] <humble_sea_bass> these guys make artificial hearts and they have a new citizen and a hass 5 axis center,
[10:40:34] <Jymmm> witnit: I was thinking more alng the lines of cheap bastard pricing, but thanks anyway =)
[10:41:34] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fZjUy0_U0
[10:42:01] <witnit> ok well if you get one and just need to lan card hit me up
[10:42:15] <witnit> I can ship that cheap for sure
[10:42:31] <witnit> these things are seriously heavier than they look
[10:42:39] <humble_sea_bass> wowzers, i'd like to get to know this machine
[10:42:48] <Jymmm> witnit: Well, give me a number foe a networked printer shipped =)
[10:44:05] <Jymmm> witnit: I'm guessing $20 for shipping, not no idea on the weight
[10:44:20] <Jymmm> s/not/but/
[10:46:13] <witnit> lets do $80, wifi card, printer Ill cover shipping. sound okay?
[10:46:27] <Jymmm> witnit: And you are getting 5000 of these labels for $35 ??? http://oi61.tinypic.com/21kb881.jpg
[10:46:58] <witnit> no
[10:47:06] <Jymmm> oh =(
[10:47:11] <witnit> those were in one of the printers when I got it
[10:47:16] <Jymmm> ah
[10:48:07] <Jymmm> witnit: Let me look at what those labels go for =)
[10:48:28] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271085003159?_trksid=p2055120.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[10:48:33] <witnit> I was looking at those
[10:48:58] <Jymmm> witnit: 4x4? I thought they were like 4x6?
[10:49:12] <witnit> thats what I currently have is 4x6
[10:49:30] <witnit> Im thinking about the 4x4 though since I use them on my boxes I ship at work
[10:49:36] <witnit> but they do not need to be so big
[10:50:11] <Jymmm> Ah 1000 for $22 shipped
[10:50:23] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Rolls-250-4x6-Direct-Thermal-Labels-Zebra-2844-Eltron/380344275889?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20643%26meid%3D6200842380878840217%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9209%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271085003159&rt=nc
[10:50:26] <witnit> ooooh
[10:51:25] <witnit> those rolls dont look right
[10:51:34] <witnit> they look like the spindle is too small maybe
[10:51:56] <witnit> they may be all the same I dunno those just look small
[10:52:04] <Jymmm> Says 1" core
[10:52:36] <Jymmm> They have an 800 #
[10:53:18] <Jymmm> witnit: The wifi network, does it also have an ethernet port too?
[10:53:30] <Jymmm> and is this an internal card?
[10:54:28] <witnit> ohhh sorry not wifi
[10:54:31] <witnit> just ethernet
[10:54:43] <Jymmm> internal?
[10:54:46] <witnit> yeah
[10:54:53] <witnit> I just took some pics
[10:57:48] <_methods> witnit: do you make any money off the ebay stuff?
[10:58:02] <witnit> yeah
[10:58:13] <_methods> you hit auctions and just dump it on ebay?
[10:58:16] <witnit> I spend about 600-800 at a time
[10:58:32] <witnit> not auction, I have a guy that does the auctions and I buy from his warehouse
[10:58:39] <_methods> interesting
[10:59:07] <_methods> the prices i see stuff go for at auctions i've been thinking about just buying stuff and selling on ebay
[10:59:07] <witnit> then deliver to my buddy, and he posts and researches, then drops them off with my other buddy who does all the shipping when something sells
[10:59:17] <witnit> and we split the income even
[10:59:25] <_methods> sounds like a nice arrangement
[10:59:31] <witnit> yeah we keep eachother in check
[11:00:20] <Jymmm> Ram usage:FF running 79%, Stopped: 27% DOH
[11:00:30] <_methods> http://www.sadanduseless.com/2014/03/metal-albums-with-googly-eyes/
[11:02:06] <Jymmm> witnit: I'm RTFM now =)
[11:02:20] <witnit> its a bitch to get it working with linux imo
[11:02:51] <witnit> I use a windows so I dont have to try so hard hahaha
[11:03:32] <witnit> It did work with virtualbox too
[11:03:33] <Jymmm> witnit: HEy,um, the revision page of the manual says "roubleshooting tip on uneven print quality and ***ribbon wrinkling***." Are you SURE it doesn't use a ribbon???
[11:03:51] <witnit> Ill send you pics
[11:05:11] <Jymmm> witnit: Pge 22 of the manual "If you plan to use thermal transfer mode, you must install a thermal transfer ribbon (TTR) to print in thermal transfer mode."
[11:05:14] <archivist> some thermals use ribbon or thermal paper/label
[11:05:56] <Jymmm> archivist: ah. (still reading)
[11:07:20] <_methods> any of you done a sieg x2 conversion?
[11:07:42] <_methods> trying to decide on conversion kit/style to use
[11:09:05] <Jymmm> witnit: Ah, I guess you need that "ribbon" when NOT using thermal labels.
[11:09:18] <witnit> yeah
[11:09:23] <witnit> these printers do everything
[11:09:28] <witnit> they even peel labels I guess
[11:09:34] <witnit> I dunno how though
[11:09:54] <witnit> some way of rerouting the paper
[11:09:57] <Jymmm> witnit: Black magic with a touch of poblano for flavor!
[11:10:18] <witnit> you can feed from a stack in a box like the old dot matrix
[11:10:48] <Jymmm> cool, I still want to see the wire labeling options
[11:11:02] <_methods> damn what printer is this
[11:11:11] <MrHindsight> what are thermal transfer labels used for?
[11:11:13] <_methods> it does wire labeling too?
[11:11:28] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: shipping labels
[11:11:59] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: why not use inkjet?
[11:12:09] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: too slow?
[11:12:14] <witnit> ink cost?
[11:12:32] <Jymmm> obnoxious ink cost
[11:13:42] <MrHindsight> $100/gallon
[11:13:54] <witnit>
[11:14:10] <witnit> there is a photo at 2,3,4.jpg
[11:14:35] <MrHindsight> the wax ribbons are overpriced just like most inks
[11:14:48] <witnit> I bought a brother laser printer...
[11:14:51] <witnit> best choice ever
[11:15:00] <Jymmm> witnit: is that a 2" core plus the green spacers?
[11:15:17] <witnit> cheap works everytime, VERY low cost
[11:15:29] <witnit> uhhh, CD for scale in one pic
[11:15:46] <cradek> old b&w office laser printer + walgreens for the rare time I want to print a photo = the winning combination
[11:15:50] <Jymmm> witnit: but the roll of labels in that pic cover the spindle =)
[11:16:02] <witnit> 3"
[11:16:06] <Jymmm> k
[11:19:57] <Jymmm> witnit: Oh NOW they spell it out near the very end of the manual... "The 3400e printer is capable of direct thermal (DT) printing or thermal transfer (TTR) printing using thermal transfer ribbon."
[11:20:07] <Jymmm> lol
[11:20:08] <witnit> :)
[11:20:24] <witnit> good manual easy to do the windows install too
[11:20:39] <witnit> I install two of the three and printed test pages from all three
[11:20:41] <Jymmm> But they also say it comes in both 200 and 400 DPI print heads, but don't say how to tell the difference
[11:20:56] <witnit> yeah I will send you a 200
[11:21:05] <witnit> I have 1 400 and two 200dpi
[11:21:11] <Jymmm> ah
[11:21:11] <witnit> Im keeping the 400 :)
[11:21:28] <witnit> I put little pictures of my parts on the labels
[11:21:41] <witnit> so the guys dont get the boxxes mixxed at work
[11:22:04] <Jymmm> witnit: Do you know how bad it is between the two? I want to print QR codes and other fine details
[11:22:23] <witnit> I only could tell when doing the pictures
[11:22:35] <witnit> it seems fine with solid lines and blocks
[11:22:46] <Jymmm> barcodes?
[11:22:46] <witnit> I have not tried a qr
[11:22:50] <Jymmm> k
[11:22:51] <witnit> yeah they are made for that
[11:23:03] <witnit> but I dont think it handles gradients very well
[11:23:12] <Jymmm> Yeah, but those are 1D, not the newer 2D ones
[11:23:19] <witnit> like looking at newpaper comics under a micrcope
[11:23:34] <Jymmm> ah
[11:23:57] <witnit> ehhhh this keyboard and my fingers do not meet well
[11:26:38] <Jymmm> witnit: They say it DOES support QR, but don't make mention of 200/400 requirements if any.
[11:27:26] <Deejay> re
[11:27:41] <witnit> I thought about trying it
[11:27:44] <witnit> too lazy
[11:36:40] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:44:59] <witnit> take care alll
[12:09:22] <IchGuckLive> after a busy night in the usa ist quite now here
[12:23:39] <XXCoder> funtimes
[12:33:05] <Jymmm> heat shrink printer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFAimwvFls
[12:33:56] <XXCoder> fancy. even captioned
[12:34:09] <XXCoder> for an ad video thats rare.
[12:34:46] <Jymmm> No idea, I never see ads/spam on YT
[12:36:24] <Jymmm> A different thermal label printer (Zebra brand), but damn that's fast... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znehNNtmjqA
[12:37:55] <XXCoder> pretty fast allright
[13:15:41] <MrHindsight> the price of Zebra and other thermal transfer rolls are why we developed solvent inks for TIJ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWrdXeDY_aQ up to 760ft/min
[13:16:45] <IchGuckLive> but the outcome is better quaity
[13:17:20] <Jymmm> 1000 4x6 labels for $22 shipped... I can live with that.
[13:17:30] <Jymmm> thermal*
[13:17:45] <Jymmm> no consumables
[13:18:12] <MrHindsight> flexo and offset for high volume of the same
[13:18:41] <Jymmm> Yeah, screw ink technology imo
[13:18:44] <MrHindsight> thermal or thermal transfer, those are two different types
[13:19:28] <Jymmm> If I was doing archival stuff, mind consider alternatives (toner?)
[13:20:05] <Jymmm> Bt as shitty as the consumer inkjet have been, JUST SAY NO!
[13:20:09] <Jymmm> But*
[13:20:47] <MrHindsight> you just have to refill your ink
[13:20:55] <MrHindsight> yourself
[13:20:58] <Jymmm> Yeah, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:21:02] <Jymmm> No ink
[13:21:26] <MrHindsight> lowest cost way to go
[13:21:27] <Jymmm> I just gave away a nice AIW inkjet,
[13:22:02] <Jymmm> ether wifi fax ADF scan to pdf, etc
[13:22:44] <Jymmm> it was given to me, low ink=no print, ordered ink, hated results.
[13:22:49] <Jymmm> gave away
[13:23:33] <Jymmm> toner, dye-sub, or thermal now.
[13:24:16] <MrHindsight> that's like throwing away cnc milling tech since you had bad results
[13:24:40] <Jymmm> No, it's like tosing one of those Smith thingys
[13:24:50] <Jymmm> and rightly so!
[13:24:57] <MrHindsight> when it was just your settings or the end mills
[13:25:47] <Jymmm> inkjet is just crap, way too many headaches
[13:26:16] <Jymmm> Too much mfr bs too, locked cartridges, etc
[13:26:32] <Jymmm> puking ink out obscenly for "cleaning" purposes.
[13:26:57] <zeeshan> since you guys know a lot about printing
[13:27:00] <MrHindsight> you just bought the wrong ones
[13:27:05] <Jymmm> and slower than hell during startup, or just opening/closing the cover.
[13:27:14] <zeeshan> is there an a4 sheet i can shove into my laser printer
[13:27:17] <zeeshan> and print out some stick on labels
[13:27:18] <Jymmm> ALL of them are like that, HP, Epson, etc
[13:27:45] <Jymmm> zeeshan: A4? Not sure, could try Avery.com
[13:27:53] <zeeshan> or letter size
[13:28:00] <Jymmm> oh sure
[13:28:11] <Jymmm> any office supply will have a box of em
[13:28:12] <zeeshan> i just wanna print out labels for my tool boxes
[13:28:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan: google "avery laser labels"
[13:28:41] <Jymmm> t get an idea of whats out there
[13:28:44] <Jymmm> to*
[13:29:05] <MrHindsight> you can buy the generic for far less than Avery
[13:29:16] <zeeshan> http://www.staples.ca/en/Avery-5160-White-Laser-Address-Labels-with-Easy-Peel-2-5-8/product_12230_2-CA_1_20001
[13:29:21] <zeeshan> like that?
[13:29:22] <Jymmm> They used to have mini labels too when you only needed a couple and not a full sheet
[13:29:40] <zeeshan> those are kind of huge
[13:29:41] <zeeshan> :P
[13:30:09] <Jymmm> http://www.avery.com/avery/en_us/Products/Labels
[13:30:25] <zeeshan> found some
[13:30:29] <zeeshan> 1-3/4 by .5"
[13:30:31] <Jymmm> zeeshan: they have shitloads of sizes/types
[13:30:54] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Have you thought about a lhand held label printer?
[13:31:01] <zeeshan> no
[13:31:03] <zeeshan> arent they expensive
[13:31:14] <zeeshan> i dont use it much
[13:31:22] <zeeshan> just mainly for tool box labeling or say wire labels
[13:31:28] <Jymmm> zeeshan: not really dtart at $25
[13:32:03] <Jymmm> http://www.walmart.com/ip/DYMO-LetraTag-Plus-Personal-Label-Maker-2-Lines/5733520?action=product_interest&action_type=title&placement_id=irs_top&strategy=PWVAV&visitor_id=73955360786&category=0%3A3944%3A546952%3A1046059%3A164221&client_guid=2137e39c-115b-421f-85cb-9cf0c6234017&config_id=2&parent_item_id=13969197&guid=73aa16d8-ded0-4a9d-9a19-806b5ef37fe1&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&findingMethod=p13n
[13:32:39] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: you can probably get Jymms inkjets for nothing and I'll show you how to use them :)
[13:32:45] <zeeshan> haha
[13:33:02] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Brother-P-Touch-PT-90-Simply-Stylish-Personal-Labeler/14916245
[13:33:21] <zeeshan> damn that brother one makes fancy labels
[13:33:24] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: If I had any left, he could =)
[13:33:39] <MrHindsight> :)
[13:33:52] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Since the labels are plastic, they're water resistant too
[13:34:23] <Jymmm> zeeshan: 1/4 to 1" wide too
[13:34:31] <zeeshan> that would work great for wiring
[13:34:37] <zeeshan> the 1/4
[13:34:56] <Jymmm> zeeshan: There's a fancy one that you can use with or without a computer too
[13:35:09] <Jymmm> if you want to print graphcs, barcodes, etc
[13:35:20] <Jymmm> about $180 iirc USD
[13:36:36] <ReadError> grab a USB one
[13:36:41] <ReadError> muuuuch easier
[13:36:57] <zeeshan> ReadError: link
[13:37:27] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Brother-Connectable-Labeling-System-PT2730/dp/B0047T7JMW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397499597&sr=8-1&keywords=brother+pt+2730
[13:37:29] <ReadError> thats what I got
[13:38:02] <zeeshan> where do you buy the label stock for that
[13:38:08] <ReadError> amazon
[13:38:12] <ReadError> walmart
[13:38:14] <ReadError> anywhere really
[13:38:18] <zeeshan> okay cool
[13:38:21] <zeeshan> ive never played with these things
[13:38:22] <zeeshan> ;p
[13:38:51] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113202
[13:38:59] <zeeshan> http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Dymo-Letratag-Label-Printer-LT100T/6000016939487
[13:39:01] <zeeshan> thats what canada has
[13:39:14] <zeeshan> fak 100$ for a printer!
[13:39:56] <Jymmm> zeeshan: You can connect it to a PC and it's rechargable
[13:40:39] <archivist> I use a much older dymo, just works TM
[13:41:30] <archivist> uses the same cartridge as the current one I think
[13:42:37] <archivist> for barcodes I cheated and got a roll of preprinted
[13:42:42] <Jymmm> zeeshan: whatever you get, just check the cost/availability of the label carteidges first.
[13:43:38] <zeeshan> yea that dymo one isnt the greatest
[13:43:42] <zeeshan> it only support .5" labels
[13:44:01] <archivist> all I need for shelf labels :)
[13:44:05] <Jymmm> Yeah, the Brother P-Touch stuff supports all kinds of sizes.
[13:44:22] <Jymmm> ...and colors.
[13:44:34] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=047943
[13:44:36] <zeeshan> here is the pt-90
[13:44:44] <zeeshan> one local
[13:44:59] <Jymmm> zeeshan: now check the cost of labels =)
[13:45:30] <Jymmm> 4x AAA ?! Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[13:45:47] <Jymmm> AA maybe, but not AAA.
[13:46:22] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=34_1170_452&item_id=035929
[13:46:23] <zeeshan> nice
[13:46:29] <zeeshan> this guy can go down to 1/8" labels
[13:47:14] <zeeshan> can't go wrong for 15$
[13:47:33] <archivist> you can see label prices
[13:47:41] <Jymmm> Sorry, that whole AAA thing personally bugs me
[13:47:48] <zeeshan> well it says you can use an adapter too
[13:47:51] <zeeshan> but its optional
[13:48:17] <archivist> the dymo lasts for ages on 4 AA
[13:48:21] <Jymmm> and cost of labels?
[13:48:31] <Jymmm> archivist: yeah, exactly.
[13:48:32] <zeeshan> trying to find :P
[13:48:52] <Jymmm> oh at the bottom $14
[13:49:11] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/TZe-3-5mm-P-touch-Tape/dp/B005JXYYHS
[13:49:34] <zeeshan> oh
[13:49:36] <zeeshan> i didnt see that
[13:49:36] <zeeshan> haha
[13:49:42] <Jymmm> zeeshan: oh, no keyboard of that for $15
[13:49:45] <zeeshan> thermal transfer means theres no toner right?
[13:49:52] <Jymmm> zeeshan: and no ink either
[13:49:57] <zeeshan> nice
[13:50:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan: it's nice being able to use the labeler without a computer btw
[13:50:23] <zeeshan> yes it is
[13:50:25] <zeeshan> when doing wiring!
[13:50:36] <Jymmm> zeeshan: just keep that in mind
[13:50:47] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=34_1170_452&item_id=057506
[13:50:48] <Jymmm> that one you linked to has no keyboard
[13:50:49] <zeeshan> here is another
[13:50:52] <zeeshan> has keyboard
[13:50:56] <zeeshan> and supports down to 3.5mm tape
[13:51:14] <zeeshan> power adapter is 29$
[13:51:21] <archivist> I have a blue version of http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=351042805430
[13:51:26] <zeeshan> so bansically for 50-60$ i can be printing today
[13:51:58] <Jymmm> archivist: I have something like that too
[13:52:19] <Jymmm> archivist: paper tags ar ecrap though
[13:52:47] <Jymmm> try to peel them off, and you are scraping for days
[13:53:56] <archivist> I use the yellow plastic middle right shelf edge http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_04_23_barcodes/IMG_1231.JPG
[13:55:05] <humble_sea_bass> those are small
[13:55:22] <humble_sea_bass> oh i see Algorithms
[13:55:52] <shaun413__> hi
[14:03:29] <Jymmm> archivist: pre-rounded labels?
[14:03:44] <archivist> yes
[14:03:52] <Jymmm> cool, never saw those before
[14:04:09] <archivist> 20k on a reel iirc
[14:04:19] <Jymmm> eeeesh
[14:05:06] <archivist> was a one off fleabay auction never seen elsewhere
[14:05:22] <Jymmm> Ah, nice find
[14:06:40] <MrHindsight> archivist: you use the thermal transfer type vs thermal?
[14:06:42] <archivist> but some barcode readers struggle, has to be a quality reader
[14:07:06] <Jymmm> archivist: heh, try reaidn apple barcodes, ouch
[14:07:31] <archivist> the reel has Zebra internally
[14:07:41] <Jymmm> archivist: even their own barcode readers used the the Apple Stores can't read them )
[14:07:56] <archivist> hehe
[14:08:28] <MrHindsight> thermal transfer uses a wax+polymer that gets transferred onto the label using heat, thermal printers just heat the paper/polymer to make dark spots
[14:08:37] <archivist> the Symbol and Wasp readers handle them ok
[14:09:07] <XXCoder> heh I just use declawed cuecat
[14:09:20] <XXCoder> itprobably wouldnt rrad that tiny barcode though
[14:09:34] <Connor> Why we talking bar codes and labels for ?
[14:09:46] <archivist> tools etc
[14:10:06] <Connor> barcode on a tool? for what? ATC ?
[14:10:21] <MrHindsight> Connor: comparing experiences on just making labels for whatever
[14:10:30] <Connor> Oh.
[14:10:37] <MrHindsight> mailing, tool boxes, wiring etc etc
[14:10:41] <archivist> my calipers have a label added
[14:11:33] <Connor> I got my PC mounted under my chip tray this weekend.. On rails.. makes things nice..
[14:12:11] <Loetmichel> Connor: mine is below the machine
[14:12:12] <Connor> I need to make some sort of electrical box that has 3 or 4 plugs in it with a disconnect.. and goes back to the main power plug..
[14:13:12] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_04_09_14_05.jpg Were it was..
[14:13:41] <Connor> Now, it's on rails below the chip tray, mounted like a normal 4U Server..
[14:14:26] <Connor> You can see my power plug to the right of it.. 1 for the PC, 1 for the steppers, 1 for the spindle and 1 aux.. for coolant or light or whatever...
[14:14:53] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569 <- mine
[14:15:25] <Loetmichel> (the dark pizzabox below the machine)
[14:15:33] <_methods> Connor: is that yoru spindle water pump containers?
[14:15:34] <Connor> I think I'll replace with a twist lock plug, and run it into a box with a disconnect to the left of the PC.. If it doesn't interfere with the coolant shutoff valve.
[14:15:58] <_methods> nice chip tray did you make it?
[14:16:01] <Connor> _methods: No, that's my flood coolant
[14:16:06] <_methods> ah nice
[14:16:06] <Connor> Yea.
[14:16:19] <XXCoder> conn I see you modified piping a bit
[14:16:24] <XXCoder> I think
[14:17:22] <Connor> Not from the other day. That's the finial version. Only diff now is clear vinyl hose going into the cat littler bucket for the pump.
[14:18:29] <Connor> I REALLY wish I could run the spindle on separate line from the PC and steppers.
[14:18:40] <Connor> I can pull allot of amps..
[14:19:07] <Connor> wouldn't mind trying to figure out how to add a UPS into the PC..
[14:19:25] <Connor> but, I don't see how I can do that and get it all tied into one disconnect switch easily.
[14:24:03] <Connor> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hubbell-TayMac-2-Gang-Weatherproof-Pole-Switch-Toggle-Cover-Wall-Plate-Gray-TC221S/202284519?N=5yc1vZbohm
[14:24:08] <Connor> Hmm.. How about that..
[14:24:52] <Connor> 1 side for Aux and PC, other side for Spindle and Steppers...
[14:26:10] <Connor> anyone know how easy/hard those are to switch on/off ? I don't want it to vibrate off...
[14:41:28] <Einar> Loetmichel: Are those spindles asynchronous or PM motors?
[15:00:56] <Loetmichel> Einar: which splundles?
[15:01:10] <Loetmichel> on my cnc?
[15:01:23] <Loetmichel> async as far as i know
[15:01:47] <Einar> Yes, this one: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
[15:02:09] <Loetmichel> you can feel no cogging torque
[15:02:22] <Einar> OK. Asynch then.
[15:02:53] <Einar> Is it OK for aluminum work?
[15:03:19] <Loetmichel> but cheap as fu** (less than 300 eur with VFD) and enough toque for small work
[15:03:35] <Loetmichel> and the runout is MUCH better than on a Kress or other router motor
[15:03:42] <Einar> Ebay?
[15:05:00] <Loetmichel> einar: would say that, yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnjHd69saXs
[15:05:43] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53RsosYwGg
[15:05:45] <Loetmichel> ebay
[15:05:57] <Loetmichel> look for CNC spindle motor watercooled
[15:06:16] <Loetmichel> i have the 800W version
[15:07:15] <XXCoder> lots holes there loetm, whats it makin
[15:07:16] <Einar> It sounds like it works fine in alu. No strange sounds.
[15:08:47] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: the holes are in the sacrificial plate beneath the 3mm aluminium sheet
[15:08:55] <Loetmichel> ... from the last job...
[15:08:56] <XXCoder> oh
[15:09:13] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxhvO6wP08
[15:09:30] <Loetmichel> ... some cooling holes in a NAS case
[15:10:17] <XXCoder> curious if you recycle your swarf into more material or just sell metal?
[15:10:19] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14184 <- full case
[15:10:21] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:10:27] <Loetmichel> nothing
[15:10:33] <Loetmichel> just give it the scrap man
[15:10:36] <XXCoder> looks nice
[15:10:38] <XXCoder> oh cool
[15:10:48] <XXCoder> as long as not trash
[15:12:20] <Einar> 10XX aluminum is no good for castings. And swarf only ends up as oxides anyway. So not good for (home) remelting.
[15:12:52] <Loetmichel> especially when the mill makes more "aluminium Dust" than swarf ;-)
[15:13:14] <Loetmichel> you can see it here as i milled a thread with a engraving bit:
[15:13:20] <XXCoder> makes sense. I recall white strips on alum swarf when I was watching friend work lathe
[15:13:21] <Einar> Mix with clear laquer to make metallic?
[15:13:26] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14820&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:14:07] <Einar> Are you making threads on the bolt head too? ;-)
[15:14:28] <Loetmichel> no, thats just from a small milling bit
[15:14:33] <XXCoder> I guess it was completing rough run and have yet to smooth
[15:14:34] <Loetmichel> thr traces
[15:15:03] <Loetmichel> they disappear after sanding with a 600 frit paper
[15:15:06] <Loetmichel> grit
[15:15:11] <Loetmichel> ists just optics
[15:15:45] <Loetmichel> the octagon(!) head faces are flat
[15:16:00] <Loetmichel> no, i made the BOLT with the mill
[15:16:06] <Loetmichel> including the thread
[15:16:08] <XXCoder> nice
[15:16:17] <Loetmichel> and that is 7075
[15:16:18] <XXCoder> it sure looked rough. fun illusion
[15:17:53] <Loetmichel> i was surely surprised how easy it is to make a perfect fit thread with a 30° engraving bit ;-)
[15:18:28] <XXCoder> how tight was threads? I recalls grades.. 1 to 5, 5 being REALLY tight
[15:18:39] <Loetmichel> tight?
[15:18:42] <Loetmichel> as in fit?
[15:18:51] <XXCoder> how tight screw fits
[15:19:29] <Loetmichel> it fits snugly into a inside thread cutted with a std M16*2mm 3 flute cutter
[15:19:41] <Loetmichel> and rotated like dampened with oil
[15:19:41] <XXCoder> nice
[15:20:04] <Loetmichel> no clunking around, no rough run, like a charm
[15:20:13] <XXCoder> if I recall, cheap bolts tend to be 1, bit loose but good enough, average qual;ity is 3, 5 tend to be made for airplanes
[15:20:49] <Loetmichel> the bolt was drilled through an put a power key in.
[15:21:05] <Loetmichel> one of these: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11570
[15:21:18] <Loetmichel> ... and a long aluminium bar on the inside
[15:21:30] <XXCoder> so its bolt with power button on it?
[15:21:37] <Loetmichel> and then it fits in the back of there, to press the internal Power switch
[15:21:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14769
[15:23:10] <Loetmichel> because the case will be sealed with tamper labels
[15:23:21] <Loetmichel> so you can statt the crypto box without openiung the casing
[15:23:38] <XXCoder> start?
[15:23:44] <XXCoder> cool
[15:23:54] <Loetmichel> thats kind of an 1He server
[15:24:08] <Loetmichel> the black 19" box
[15:24:49] <Loetmichel> and when the aluminium enclosure is sealed (for EMI reasons) there is no other way to start the "server"
[15:25:22] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://i39.tinypic.com/1zo9uon.jpg
[15:26:04] <XXCoder> I dont get ut
[15:26:26] <Jymmm> lol, nm
[15:56:39] <Jymmm> disconnect what?
[15:58:01] <Connor> Well.. to Going to make a power strip so to speak.. change out my 2 duplex plugs on wall for a twist lock.. and run power into a pvc box, with that on the front.. and have 2 x duplex outlets on the back that the PC, the spindle, and stepper PSU plug into.
[15:58:55] <Connor> Other option would be to mount switches IN the PC case since it's rack mount now.. and I can open the front up, and flip the switches on it..
[15:59:04] <Jymmm> Oh, so you are using an old PC case for an enclosure?
[15:59:14] <Connor> Rack mount 4U
[15:59:19] <Connor> 24" Deep.
[15:59:26] <Jymmm> one thing to consider...
[16:00:12] <Connor> has 3 Plugs.. 1 for the PC PSU, and the other two are wired up to the stepper PSU and spindle speed controller.
[16:00:23] <Jymmm> IF the outlets are going to be computer controlled, are those 2x switches master shutoff?
[16:01:15] <Jymmm> If they are, do you ever want to MANUALLY turn on whatever is plugged into the utlets with out computer control?
[16:01:17] <Connor> No, the outlets aren't.. Just trying to give myself a master switch so I don't have to unplug them all the time.
[16:01:47] <Jymmm> So you dont want to automatically trun/on/off coolant when a job is compelted?
[16:02:14] <Connor> That's a separate issue. :) Yes. the coolant will be both computer and manual.
[16:02:29] <Connor> I found a 12v 5amp power brick I can use.
[16:02:30] <Jymmm> Then those onw-way switches alone won't do it.
[16:03:02] <Jymmm> you would need OFF/AUTO/ON or soemthign liek that.
[16:03:17] <Jymmm> Unless you do some creative wiring =)
[16:04:01] <Jymmm> You *could* get away using two/three-way switches potentially
[16:04:16] <Connor> I'll be using a SSR to provide 120v to the power brick, which will be connected to the pump.
[16:04:41] <Jymmm> how many watts is the pump?
[16:05:12] <Connor> Not sure.. really didn't say.. it's 800GPH 12v bilge pump.
[16:05:24] <Jymmm> no idea
[16:05:34] <Jymmm> Just SSR need heatsinks
[16:05:51] <Connor> Looks like 2amps continues 5amps surge..
[16:06:00] <Connor> the SSR are good ones..
[16:06:06] <Jymmm> doens't matter
[16:06:14] <Jymmm> Check their thermal ratings =)
[16:06:27] <Jymmm> At 2A that's 250 Watts
[16:06:43] <Connor> let me see if I can find them...
[16:06:49] <Jymmm> At 5A tha'ts about 600 Watts
[16:07:50] <Connor> They're rated for 25Amps.
[16:08:04] <Jymmm> I said THERMAL ratings =)
[16:10:43] <Connor> FOTEK SSR-25
[16:10:47] <Connor> looking for spec sheet.
[16:11:01] <Connor> http://www.fotek.com.hk/solid/SSR-1.htm
[16:12:24] <Connor> All I can find is Operating temperature
[16:14:57] <Jymmm> how many SSR do you have? 2?
[16:15:13] <Connor> 1 for spindle. 1 for coolant pump
[16:16:04] <Connor> and looks like I can wire a switch up in parallel on the contacts of the SSR
[16:16:06] <Deejay> gn8
[16:16:10] <Jymmm> youll need two of these, one each http://www.amazon.com/Amico-Aluminum-Solid-State-Dissipation/dp/B005D6145G/ref=pd_sim_misc_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0ZDJ7TFFHY6PHJHXMF8K
[16:16:16] <Jymmm> cya Deejay
[16:16:28] <Deejay> bye jymmm
[16:17:23] <Connor> Umm.. okay. I've been using the spindle one for a while now without any issues.. also have one of these in my vacuum cleaner control box that's been running for a while..
[16:17:45] <Jymmm> at 5A ?
[16:18:12] <Connor> I have NO idea what the vacuum cleaner is.. is't a large 16 gallon shop vac.
[16:18:14] <Jymmm> As long as you are under that MAX operating temp, you're good.
[16:18:48] <Connor> the one in the PC case is mounted against the case itself.. so that would act as a heat sink too.
[16:18:51] <Jymmm> If you get near/over, then you'll need a heatsink
[16:18:53] <Connor> I'll probe it.
[16:19:06] <Jymmm> Just FYI
[16:19:14] <Connor> with my IR thermometer..
[16:19:32] <Jymmm> Sure, that works but measure the metal back plate, not the plastic =)
[16:19:51] <Connor> I will. :)
[16:21:02] <Connor> so, I'll wire a 120v switch in parallel with the SSR for the coolant pump.
[16:21:44] <Jymmm> If you do that, you can't bypass computer control.
[16:21:58] <Jymmm> BAD IDEA IMO
[16:22:38] <Jymmm> If you are changing tooling, and the computer wacks out, there goes a hand/finger.
[16:22:42] <Connor> I might be able to with a 3 way.. let me draw it out..
[16:22:50] <Connor> for coolant ?
[16:23:03] <Jymmm> If you want to rely upon a 50¢ switch =)
[16:23:34] <Jymmm> coolant lines can come out of tank and squirt in face, sure.
[16:23:48] <Jymmm> Just sayin'
[16:24:33] <Connor> OKay.. easy.. center off switch, provides power to SSR or to pump.
[16:25:26] <Jymmm> Eh, ok. *MY* prefernce is OFF/AUTO/ON, then I dont have to guess where theposition is.
[16:25:45] <Jymmm> and I cna use toggle switch covers to just smack and turn off
[16:26:20] <Jymmm> http://www.wiringproducts.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/l_2652f-outlined.jpg
[16:26:40] <Jymmm> but whatever =)
[16:26:56] <Connor> I'll be covered up with door on PC case.
[16:27:14] <Connor> I'll have to check and see if I have clearance..
[16:27:29] <Connor> May have to use a rocker switch instead of a toggle switch.
[16:27:45] <tjb1|2> Any of you know of IRC client that displays name mentions in a separate window?
[16:27:55] <Jymmm> Whatever works for you, just giving you extra options to consider is all
[16:28:22] <zeeshan> label maker works great
[16:28:27] <zeeshan> 30bux total spent
[16:28:27] <Connor> tjb1|2: Mine just highlights the line and beeps.
[16:28:45] <Connor> Jymmm: Yea.. I'm a little OCD, I need LESS options. :)
[16:28:58] <Jymmm> NEVER
[16:31:03] <JesusAlos> hi
[16:31:35] <JesusAlos> long time not see you
[16:33:06] <JesusAlos> looking for reference about the structure directory and files from linuxcnc
[16:33:30] <JesusAlos> what is the use of each file etc
[16:38:24] <JesusAlos> any help please?
[16:39:48] <MrHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/code/Code_Notes.html
[16:53:06] <JesusAlos> Thank MrHindsight, but I refer a directory structure from linuxcnc in Ubuntu and the use of each file
[16:54:58] <MrHindsight> nope, that would be too much work and if you need that you probably just need to learn more about Ubuntu
[16:56:35] <MrHindsight> heh, BeagleBone Black "We are planning a price increase for the Rev C somewhere between $5 and $15."
[16:57:11] <MrHindsight> so a weak GPU and now the price is going to go up
[16:58:29] <shaun413_> hi all
[16:59:10] <JesusAlos> hi
[17:00:33] <JesusAlos> what hardware combination can use BeagleBone Black to run with linuxcnc
[17:00:45] <JesusAlos> I interest it
[17:02:21] <MrHindsight> http://blog.machinekit.io/p/machinekit_16.html just FYI is has a underpowered GPU
[17:05:45] <Connor> MrHindsight: the BBB ?
[17:08:47] <MrHindsight> Connor: yeah
[17:09:05] <andypugh> Someone on the forum was asking about Linux CAM. I just realosed that CamBam, SheetCAM and HeeksCNC have something in common, country of origin.
[17:09:36] <Connor> The UK? :)
[17:09:37] <MrHindsight> CAMy Brits? :)
[17:09:51] <andypugh> Yes. I wonder if this is more than coincidence?
[17:10:05] <MrHindsight> check their bios
[17:10:16] <MrHindsight> maybe they all used to work fr the same co
[17:10:40] <andypugh> Possible.
[17:12:51] <MrHindsight> http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/tech/innovation/carpenter-fingers-robohand-3-d/ crude but they work, they need to discover better printers
[17:15:15] <andypugh> Good use of the tech though.
[17:15:40] <MrHindsight> free Yoda head with every arm :)
[17:15:41] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: are you developer of BBB?
[17:15:51] <shaun413_> Hello all
[17:16:00] <shaun413_> so
[17:16:10] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: no, I looked into them and decided to pas on them due to the poor GPU and high cost
[17:16:12] <shaun413_> anyone use a hf lathe?
[17:16:14] <shaun413_> are they crap?
[17:16:27] <Tom_itx> what from hf isn't?
[17:16:36] <shaun413_> hmm
[17:16:41] <shaun413_> good point
[17:17:04] <shaun413_> well, what would you recommend lathe wise for that price or maybe a few 100 more?
[17:17:15] <andypugh> I use a similar lathe. It’s junk compared to a real lathe, though I do manage to make good parts.
[17:17:22] <shaun413_> Yeah
[17:17:29] <shaun413_> I have no room for a "real" lathe
[17:17:49] <MrHindsight> used deals are the best
[17:17:54] <shaun413_> true
[17:18:03] <MrHindsight> most for the money, but it's like fishing
[17:18:08] <shaun413_> dont have a way to transport a half ton lathe though...
[17:18:16] <andypugh> I am especially unimpressed by the saddle keepers (I re-engineered them) and the spindle design (it chatters unless tightened up so far that the bearings overheat)
[17:18:18] <shaun413_> nor a place to put it...
[17:18:23] <shaun413_> I need a benchtop
[17:18:25] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: so don't recommend for indusrtial use for example?
[17:18:45] <andypugh> shaun413: That South Bend was a benchtop.
[17:18:54] <shaun413_> Yes but no way to transport it
[17:19:20] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: maybe for headless but I use AMD x86 and also developing with the Allwinner ARM soc's
[17:20:07] <NickParker|2> What CAM programs do all of you use for milling? Ideally on windows because that's my where all my CAD packages live, but I can dual boot if I need.
[17:20:08] <MrHindsight> http://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/e350m1/ been using these lately
[17:20:35] <JesusAlos> headless=crazy??
[17:20:46] <MrHindsight> http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1USB3/ or these
[17:21:20] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: those devs seem to like them for repraps and similar
[17:22:14] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: I have no interest in having to support two different boards for headless and with a HD display
[17:22:30] <NickParker> switch do you use/do you recommend
[17:22:31] <_methods> NickParker: heekscam
[17:22:35] <_methods> mastercam
[17:24:02] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: http://cubieboard.org/2013/06/19/cubieboard2-is-here/ can support a HD display, even play an HD game while running Linuxcnc, but support is still underway
[17:25:12] <MrHindsight> 8 core version will be about the same price
[17:26:01] <NickParker> _methods: mastercam looks nice and polished, but find a reseller usually falls under the whole "If you have to ask" thing. How much is it really?
[17:29:36] <shaun413_> https://littlemachineshop.com/4100
[17:29:40] <shaun413_> anyone use this?
[17:30:31] <_methods> NickParker: depends on the packages you get
[17:30:41] <_methods> i think basic milling package is around $5k
[17:31:02] <NickParker> _methods: Lol yeah that's an order of magnitude past the max I could pay
[17:31:12] <JesusAlos> E350M1 don't have paralel port
[17:31:15] <_methods> how much would you pay?
[17:31:56] <Jymmm> 50¢
[17:31:56] <shaun413_> http://southjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4401558098.html
[17:31:59] <shaun413_> thoughts?
[17:32:26] <NickParker> I mean in an ideal world 0, but if there's really no usable FOSS, $400 or so
[17:32:39] * NickParker should mention he's 18, and got the mill for free
[17:32:46] <_methods> bobcad/cam is the only thing in that range i think
[17:32:52] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: yeah, we use them mostly with FPGA
[17:32:54] <_methods> that's why i threw out 2 options
[17:33:03] <_methods> heekscam is free and makes perfectly fine gcode
[17:33:42] <NickParker> Can you link heekscam? I found a bunch of talk about it, but the only download link I found was an empty sourceforge.
[17:34:27] <_methods> oh wow he's charging now
[17:34:38] <_methods> 10 of those english money things
[17:34:57] <JesusAlos> FPGA like 5i25 mesanet?
[17:35:02] <_methods> http://www.mediafire.com/download/l236g6lht72eo55/HeeksCNC+1.0+Trial+Version.exe
[17:35:04] <MrHindsight> sheckles, dinari??
[17:35:08] <JesusAlos> but neither have PCI port
[17:35:12] <_methods> pounds man
[17:35:16] <_methods> the queens pounds
[17:35:25] <_methods> or is it pounds the queen
[17:35:39] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: PCIe so 6i25 or other PCIe cards
[17:36:11] <_methods> oh wow heeks looks much prettier than the last time i used it
[17:36:13] <MrHindsight> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[17:37:15] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: also ethernet based FPGA like the 7i90
[17:37:35] <MrHindsight> trying to get away from LPT anyway
[17:39:42] <MrHindsight> 6i68 for lots of IO
[17:40:51] <humble_sea_bass> the queen's onions
[17:43:03] <_methods> hehe
[17:43:14] <_methods> squiggly ls
[17:43:19] <_methods> L's
[17:43:32] <shaun413_> anyone?
[17:48:26] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: so have mesanet drivers to communicate linuxcnc altrought ethernet port, right?
[17:51:16] <shaun413_> so, im looking for southbend?
[17:52:46] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: yes
[17:55:19] <MrHindsight> what's "God Shave the Queen" supposed to really mean?
[17:57:38] <MrHindsight> http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1091447_investment-opportunity-help-crowdfund-the-skylys-flying-car
[17:57:46] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: ^^^
[17:58:26] <MrHindsight> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skylys-the-flying-car
[17:59:11] <humble_sea_bass> what i'm a watching
[17:59:15] <MrHindsight> €140EUR Raised of €2,250,000 Goal :)
[18:00:01] <MrHindsight> they have an actual logo on a wall
[18:00:07] <humble_sea_bass> lets make a video and say words
[18:00:07] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: thank for share your knowledge with me
[18:00:19] <humble_sea_bass> watch the money roll in
[18:01:07] <humble_sea_bass> that guy has no idea what he is reading
[18:01:12] <MrHindsight> spray on cheese that's also sunscreen?
[18:02:06] <humble_sea_bass> cheez wiz on everything
[18:03:15] <shaun413_> hmm
[18:03:22] <shaun413_> no help?
[18:03:25] <shaun413_> :(
[18:03:29] <humble_sea_bass> put cheez wiz on it
[18:03:37] <humble_sea_bass> *helped*
[18:03:50] <MrHindsight> the power of cheese
[18:04:49] <MrHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/80-20-20-2020-T-SLOTTED-EXTRUSION/dp/B001F0K4NW embedding these every 3-4 inches in resin should work well
[18:05:20] <MrHindsight> nice t-slot for clamps and also lots of area for the resin to grip
[18:05:26] <humble_sea_bass> after you hit the sack, we were talking about hussling up a recipe from some academic papers.
[18:05:38] <MrHindsight> for resin?
[18:05:54] <humble_sea_bass> for the granite itself.
[18:06:22] <MrHindsight> synthetic granite?
[18:06:32] <humble_sea_bass> because it seemed everyone was doing it "to taste" more or less
[18:06:48] <humble_sea_bass> yes, the synthetic granite
[18:07:33] <MrHindsight> why?
[18:08:03] <humble_sea_bass> I said trial and error it
[18:08:36] <humble_sea_bass> depending on what's easily available, but you said 10% resin is more or less where it is at
[18:08:39] <andypugh> NickParker: Have a look at CamBam. http://www.cambam.info/ref/ref.linux
[18:08:39] <humble_sea_bass> right?
[18:09:00] <MrHindsight> reading the backlog now
[18:09:09] <MrHindsight> 10-20%
[18:09:14] <andypugh> Not free, but under you budget, (£93)
[18:10:31] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: 3d printed lenses for telescopes is possible
[18:10:50] <MrHindsight> already doing optics for eyeglasses
[18:11:35] <humble_sea_bass> oh that crazy aside was about the object mirror
[18:12:38] <NickParker> andypugh: That does look rather more polished.
[18:13:10] <humble_sea_bass> the process is almost medieval and everyone has a slightly different process which is tedious to no end
[18:13:11] <MrHindsight> granite surface plate with t-slot bolted to the top and then surfaced should also work
[18:13:12] <NickParker> I'll probably use heekscad until i run into stuff I can't do with it, then upgrade to something.
[18:13:31] <_methods> yeah i've never tried cambam
[18:13:40] <_methods> i hear it mentioned quite a bit
[18:13:49] <andypugh> It works.
[18:14:35] <_methods> that's a good thing lol
[18:14:45] <andypugh> CamBam did the paths for these: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bovTD2Dm9PYPPy6e6OshK9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:15:10] <_methods> i think there is gsimple
[18:15:13] <_methods> which iss fre
[18:15:15] <_methods> free even
[18:15:19] <andypugh> (And once I figured it out, it was quite quick)
[18:15:20] <_methods> and freemill
[18:15:28] <_methods> i've never used either
[18:15:40] <andypugh> FreeMill is a bit limited, and Windows only. (IIRC)
[18:16:30] <shaun413_> is a southbend 9a a good choice?
[18:16:31] <Tom_itx> andypugh i thought those parts were exact mirror but i see they werent'
[18:16:36] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[18:16:59] <MrHindsight> http://forums.reprap.org/file.php?148,file=532 whats wrong with this design?
[18:17:06] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I think that they could have been, and might have been on later models.
[18:17:26] <MrHindsight> how to make your Z as heavy as possible
[18:17:33] <humble_sea_bass> haha
[18:17:36] <Tom_itx> did cambam generate the pockets or did you do the paths manually?
[18:17:45] <MrHindsight> what were they thinking?
[18:17:54] <andypugh> CamBam amde the pockets.
[18:18:04] <Tom_itx> looks like they turned out good
[18:18:26] <humble_sea_bass> its ok, that one threded rod can handle it
[18:18:26] <XXCoder> wow. that cnc Z is weird
[18:18:47] <humble_sea_bass> also bearings love to loaded laterally
[18:19:15] <_methods> hahah what is up with that z prox sensor
[18:19:35] <_methods> the gantry is stationary lol
[18:19:49] <andypugh> In fact, I gave CamBam a model of the two parts and told it to do two “Waterline Roughing” paths, followed by a “Pocket” with the ball-nose. Picking the profiles to use was the time-consuming bit.
[18:20:04] <_methods> wow it does waterline
[18:20:39] <andypugh> Here are the part being made; https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CSu6UI0YPPadVzIdnFPyFtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:21:26] <Tom_itx> did the hot glue come off ok?
[18:21:28] <andypugh> (Held in a fixture with hot-melt glue, as they taper awkwardly)
[18:21:36] <andypugh> Yes, after I got some IPA.
[18:21:38] <Tom_itx> did you use solvent after reheating to remove it completely?
[18:22:56] <andypugh> I am actually making astonishingly good progress with the Ner-a-Car: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bFxTlC1Cc1fyUBZGGjtCqNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:23:26] <Tom_itx> what did you use for a reference once the parts were glued in place not knowing how the glue set?
[18:23:40] <MrHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/4421483590.html
[18:23:44] <andypugh> From this a month and a bit ago: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0sQKiHNnDgwX_WelzL19ddMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:24:11] <andypugh> Tom_itx: The pockets were CNC machined to be only .01” bigger than the parts.
[18:24:31] <Tom_itx> you machined the hot glue first?
[18:24:37] <andypugh> And I had a reference hole in the fixture to hole-probe.ngc as the datum.
[18:24:38] <Tom_itx> then baked em?
[18:24:52] <MrHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00606_8vR7RToS7pp_600x450.jpg which series is this? J head with what body?
[18:25:03] <Tom_itx> i've never tried hotglue to hold parts yet
[18:25:37] <andypugh> Tom_itx: There is an aluminium fixture, with good-fitting pockets for the parts. The hot glue just holds the parts down in the pockets.
[18:25:43] <Tom_itx> we would have probably pocketed some vise jaws to hold em
[18:25:50] <Tom_itx> ahh ok
[18:25:52] <_methods> looks like series 1
[18:25:58] <_methods> wiht the 7" extension
[18:26:05] <_methods> column extension
[18:26:47] <_methods> hrmm no dovetail on the headstock
[18:26:51] <_methods> the round version
[18:27:02] <MrHindsight> the bridgeport comes complete with collets endmills indicators drills parralels and 2 rotery tables.
[18:27:03] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/bridgeport/page15.html
[18:27:16] <_methods> how much?
[18:27:22] <andypugh> 1938 “Round Ram” model
[18:27:40] <MrHindsight> $850 or best
[18:27:56] <_methods> i'd hit him with $600
[18:28:22] <_methods> even if it's a total disaster you can get that much in scrap on it
[18:28:26] <MrHindsight> I have enough already
[18:28:46] <andypugh> Ah, no, it’s a Mk2 with the worm to rotate the ram
[18:29:21] <_methods> yeah i don't know what kind of trouble you can get into with that
[18:29:37] <_methods> even if you lock it down it's still a bridgeport
[18:29:46] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/bridgeport/page16.html says it’s a post WW2 one if it has the pancake motor.
[18:30:33] <_methods> you really can't go wrong with a bridgeport
[18:31:14] <_methods> $1k and under is usually a good price
[18:37:59] <MrHindsight> look for TIG welders find deals on mills, look for mills find surface grinders
[18:38:07] <MrHindsight> it's all about timing
[18:48:32] <JesusAlos> gn
[19:01:21] <shaun413_> hii
[22:29:33] <Jymmm> Ok, the guy talks a whole lot, but he shows a generator running off his "syngas" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbXj9R6ZXw
[22:34:01] <MrHindsight> and you thought inkjets were temperamental :)
[22:34:27] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: But they don't generate electricity =)
[22:34:46] <shaun413> Jiii
[22:36:09] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: If it's legit (fuel from wood), I can deal with tempermental, at least it's not female ;)
[22:37:13] <shaun413> No
[22:42:38] <shaun413> So
[22:42:47] <shaun413> Let's settle this tonight?
[22:43:00] <shaun413> Find a lathe for shaun413
[22:45:38] <Tom_itx> Jymmm gonna watch the lunar eclipse?
[22:45:47] <Jymmm> When?
[22:45:52] <Tom_itx> 90 min
[22:45:55] <Tom_itx> approx
[22:45:58] <Tom_itx> i'm not
[22:46:38] <Jymmm> Probably not, I barely watch total solar eclips
[22:46:54] <Tom_itx> there's one of those coming up too i hear
[22:47:29] <Jymmm> I'd wish we had a TOTAL BLACKOUT one at least once =)
[22:47:42] <Tom_itx> i've seen one
[22:47:47] <shaun413> :/
[22:47:53] <Tom_itx> erie
[22:47:54] <shaun413> Its cloudy
[22:48:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: yeah, but as long as it comes back I'm good with erie =)
[22:48:54] <Tom_itx> dust off your welding goggles
[22:49:42] <shaun413> Lunar eclipses span about 6hrs btw
[22:49:43] <Jymmm> Ha, I dont have a compressor much less a welder =)
[22:49:58] <shaun413> Its not a 5 min event
[22:50:12] <Jymmm> But I have a nitrogen tank instead =)
[22:52:08] <shaun413> Anyone?
[22:54:32] <MrHindsight> overcast and snowing again here
[22:55:09] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: 2100 @ 76F wearing shorts in the garage =)
[22:55:44] <MrHindsight> it was just 75 here 2 days ago
[22:55:57] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: But, I did have to turn n the heater in the garage for a few minutes last night.
[22:56:07] <shaun413> So
[22:56:12] <shaun413> Can anyone assist me?
[22:56:24] <MrHindsight> down to 22 tonight
[22:57:22] <Jymmm> Oh, not that bad, just night chill here (damp). I have a LilBuddy propane heater on a 20lb tank
[22:57:48] <Jymmm> I love this heater =)
[22:58:04] <shaun413> Is a southbend 9 good?
[22:58:26] <Jymmm> Will run on the disposable 1lb tanks too, and I can refill those too
[22:59:02] <shaun413> ;/
[22:59:12] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, it was 82F yesterday and woke up to snow and a low in the 20's tonight
[22:59:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: eeeeesh
[22:59:56] <Jymmm> I tell ya, I thought 15 years ago one day it's gonna be shorts during the day, and parka at night.
[22:59:57] <XXCoder> I love seeing events like moon eclipse but I need to sleep well before it. :(
[23:01:18] <witnit> I have freshly picked daffodills on my kitchen table and an inch of they were picked from
[23:01:25] <witnit> snow*
[23:01:27] <witnit> inch of snow haha
[23:01:33] <Jymmm> lol
[23:01:48] <witnit> something is off
[23:01:52] <witnit> :P
[23:02:20] <Jymmm> seriously
[23:02:22] <Tom_itx> http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/14/total-lunar-eclipse-to-reveal-blood-moon-in-night-sky/
[23:02:25] <Tom_itx> for those that care
[23:02:26] <witnit> yeah jymmm
[23:02:34] <witnit> its escalating though
[23:03:00] <witnit> you knew it was coming you psychic
[23:03:06] <Jymmm> It has for the last 15 years
[23:03:21] <Jymmm> I just notice things like that is all
[23:03:30] <witnit> you expect the rivers to flow backwards tooo? :)
[23:03:51] <Jymmm> What rivers? ;)
[23:04:20] <Tom_itx> http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/list.html
[23:04:24] <shaun413> http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/tls/4423188599.html
[23:04:26] <Tom_itx> looks like we'll miss the solar one
[23:04:30] <shaun413> Does this look ok
[23:04:36] <Tom_itx> at least until oct
[23:04:52] <Tom_itx> next year is a total solar eclipse
[23:05:01] <Jymmm> ah
[23:05:08] <Tom_itx> WEST coast
[23:05:10] <Tom_itx> visibility
[23:07:13] <shaun413> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4418207372.html
[23:07:22] <shaun413> Maybe tgis?
[23:20:46] <MrHindsight> http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/tls/4422964424.html
[23:21:41] <zeeshan> now that's a lathe
[23:21:41] <zeeshan> lol
[23:21:45] <MrHindsight> http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/tls/4415554485.html
[23:21:53] <zeeshan> if im looking at that right
[23:21:56] <zeeshan> theyre using leather flat belts
[23:21:58] <zeeshan> to transmit power
[23:22:03] <zeeshan> thats frigging OLD school
[23:22:08] <zeeshan> 1800s
[23:22:10] <zeeshan> early 1900
[23:22:12] <bss36504> That looks terrifying
[23:22:16] <MrHindsight> sure it's horse power
[23:22:29] <zeeshan> dude in shigley's mechanical engineering design
[23:22:34] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Noe THAT's what I call horse power, or mule power, or ox power
[23:22:36] <zeeshan> he talks about designing for leather belts
[23:22:41] <zeeshan> but references to another ancient book haha
[23:22:46] <zeeshan> from the 1800s
[23:23:04] <humble_sea_bass> Shigleys is such a shit book
[23:23:14] <zeeshan> why
[23:23:19] <zeeshan> its really good
[23:23:25] <humble_sea_bass> everything is kind of half assed I feel
[23:23:42] <zeeshan> every mech eng has a copy cause its an index to all
[23:24:10] <zeeshan> like what
[23:24:30] <humble_sea_bass> that's my beef, it is an index to other books and it has ADD
[23:24:43] <MrHindsight> http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/tls/4414007748.html
[23:24:47] <humble_sea_bass> with a matering of aspergers
[23:24:48] <zeeshan> i think the shaft design section
[23:24:55] <zeeshan> gear design section are excellent
[23:25:05] <zeeshan> i learned from the 8th edition
[23:25:20] <shaun413> Are these for me?
[23:25:32] <zeeshan> shaun413: whats a steady rest?
[23:25:36] <zeeshan> what is it used for
[23:25:38] <MrHindsight> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4415629011.html
[23:25:43] <shaun413> To rest
[23:25:44] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: you're gonna flunk out of engineering school
[23:25:53] <Jymmm> zeeshan: when I'm drunk
[23:26:09] <MrHindsight> http://longisland.craigslist.org/tls/4413281156.html
[23:26:14] <shaun413> Why
[23:26:20] <shaun413> That atlas
[23:26:27] <shaun413> Is that any good
[23:26:35] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: you're gonna flunk out of engineering school
[23:26:36] <witnit> anyone running a 7i90HD
[23:26:41] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: haha
[23:26:52] <shaun413> OK thanks
[23:26:53] <zeeshan> i like how at 12am this room suddenly became active
[23:26:56] <MrHindsight> http://newhaven.craigslist.org/tls/4410472713.html
[23:27:19] <shaun413> Ohjh
[23:27:53] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: it was the scary lathe
[23:28:06] <zeeshan> shaun413: whats a carriage
[23:28:11] <zeeshan> on a lathe
[23:28:16] <shaun413> The atlas
[23:28:25] <shaun413> Can you strip that paint easily
[23:28:36] <zeeshan> this guy is concerned about paint
[23:28:36] <humble_sea_bass> yes the paint is the problem
[23:28:38] <zeeshan> LOL
[23:28:40] <humble_sea_bass> speed painty
[23:28:42] <zeeshan> HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA
[23:28:53] <shaun413> Do you see any other issues
[23:28:58] <shaun413> Bed wear
[23:29:00] <zeeshan> shaun413: are you a troll
[23:29:03] <shaun413> Ni
[23:29:05] <shaun413> No
[23:29:50] <MrHindsight> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4407370107.html fresh paint
[23:30:13] <humble_sea_bass> does that shade of blue make it less thermally stable
[23:30:14] <zeeshan> damn 75$
[23:30:19] <shaun413> Is that even complete
[23:30:22] <zeeshan> its worth more than that in metal
[23:30:35] <XXCoder> knights who say ni
[23:30:44] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: last time i checked the blue paint means the machine won't accurately machine to 0.001"
[23:30:52] <zeeshan> because of the way the color radiates against the machine tool
[23:30:58] <MrHindsight> maybe it's a chuck free lathe?
[23:31:06] <humble_sea_bass> ah, blackbody chatter
[23:31:20] <zeeshan> haha
[23:31:22] <witnit> nii
[23:31:27] <zeeshan> imagine that
[23:31:29] <shaun413> Missing a lot of parts
[23:31:30] <zeeshan> blackbody chatter
[23:31:31] <zeeshan> that's funny
[23:31:40] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: are you still in school?
[23:31:45] <humble_sea_bass> no no
[23:31:55] <zeeshan> you have a good memory from heat transfer
[23:31:58] <humble_sea_bass> but my bookshelf is like 10 ft away
[23:32:01] <MrHindsight> it's a cool blue vs hot red so there is less vibration
[23:32:07] <humble_sea_bass> so it radiates knowledge
[23:32:15] <shaun413> Should I get that
[23:32:30] <humble_sea_bass> only if you find a hot red one
[23:32:35] <zeeshan> i can just imagine shaun413 trying to get that blue lathe
[23:32:36] <shaun413> :/
[23:32:42] <humble_sea_bass> prefereably with a stabilizing yellow stripe
[23:32:43] <zeeshan> he shows up with a civic hatchback
[23:32:44] <MrHindsight> it's worth at least $76 if not more
[23:33:05] <shaun413> That lathe has nothing on it
[23:33:08] <shaun413> Its bare
[23:33:15] <zeeshan> ..
[23:33:16] <Valen> red ones go faster
[23:33:28] <zeeshan> speaking of lathe paint
[23:33:34] <shaun413> No chuck
[23:33:35] <zeeshan> do you guys brush on epoxy or spray paint
[23:33:44] <shaun413> That's 200 dollars
[23:34:32] <XXCoder> I wonder if making lathe deaden would make it more accurate
[23:34:53] <shaun413> :/
[23:34:59] <shaun413> Is this a joke
[23:35:03] <XXCoder> using hockey puck legs, filling hollows with that mixure that makes something like grinate
[23:35:08] <MrHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00d0d_fwvzoHYXtZT_600x450.jpg oops it's a wall mount
[23:35:12] <MrHindsight> nevermind
[23:35:14] <XXCoder> lessen vibrations
[23:35:29] <zeeshan> XXCoder: i think theres a high chance of success
[23:35:38] <zeeshan> MrHindsight: omg
[23:35:41] <zeeshan> nice catch
[23:35:44] <shaun413> Wall Mount?
[23:35:44] <zeeshan> that is a wall mount lathe
[23:35:47] <zeeshan> you can't use it
[23:35:52] <shaun413> :/
[23:35:59] <shaun413> Why not
[23:36:12] <zeeshan> you know how people put antlers on their walls?
[23:36:14] <XXCoder> never heard of wall mounted lathe, but then no machinist here
[23:36:23] <shaun413> Yeah
[23:36:24] <zeeshan> you do the same with this kind of lathe
[23:36:27] <shaun413> Oh
[23:36:29] <zeeshan> its a decoration piece
[23:36:35] <shaun413> Hrmmmm
[23:37:21] <shaun413> Shame
[23:38:28] <MrHindsight> http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/tls/4383210147.html hardinge lathe - $2000 (brooklyn)
[23:38:36] <shaun413> Too much
[23:38:53] <shaun413> Way too big
[23:39:05] <MrHindsight> http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/tls/4415554485.html starter lathe
[23:39:23] <shaun413> Its chinese
[23:39:24] <XXCoder> even has chuck
[23:39:26] <shaun413> Wow
[23:39:41] <shaun413> I want a Jacobs chuck though
[23:39:46] <zeeshan> that g8688 looks like a decent deal.
[23:39:50] <zeeshan> what?
[23:39:55] <zeeshan> you want a jacobs spindle?
[23:39:56] <zeeshan> lol
[23:39:59] <XXCoder> you'd have round $400 left for tooling
[23:40:08] <zeeshan> did ihear that correct
[23:40:09] <XXCoder> assuming you have 1k
[23:40:13] <shaun413> I can get that new for that
[23:40:31] <shaun413> I hear they are good
[23:40:32] <zeeshan> offer the guy 350
[23:40:32] <zeeshan> see what happens
[23:40:36] <shaun413> :/
[23:40:55] <shaun413> You guys told me to stop looking at that crap
[23:41:10] <zeeshan> i didnt
[23:41:19] <shaun413> :/
[23:41:28] <shaun413> ;\
[23:41:34] <zeeshan> that chinese lathe is missing a capacitor
[23:41:35] <zeeshan> weird
[23:41:45] <shaun413> Weird
[23:41:48] <MrHindsight> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4422384921.html more oldies
[23:41:59] <MrHindsight> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/4414527022.html
[23:42:19] <shaun413> Omg
[23:42:26] <shaun413> Too big :p
[23:42:30] <MrHindsight> with Jacobs chuck and only $400
[23:43:08] <shaun413> Soon you will say to get this
[23:43:10] <shaun413> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4373068828.html
[23:43:58] <zeeshan> that hardinge is a wall mount lathe
[23:44:02] <zeeshan> can't use it
[23:44:04] <shaun413> :/
[23:44:13] <shaun413> Well then
[23:44:13] <zeeshan> speaking of lathes
[23:44:19] <zeeshan> i found this when i visited my dad in newfoundland
[23:44:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/v0vJoSR.jpg
[23:44:20] <shaun413> Spin?
[23:44:23] <zeeshan> apparently it sits outside
[23:44:28] <zeeshan> looks pretty mint for something that sits outside
[23:44:43] <shaun413> Pretty
[23:45:19] <MrHindsight> http://newhaven.craigslist.org/tls/4379328570.html Logan Lathe Mod.200 10" x 24" - $950
[23:45:30] <zeeshan> i tried to remove the 4 jaw chuck
[23:45:32] <zeeshan> and failed
[23:45:32] <zeeshan> :D
[23:45:41] <zeeshan> they welded it onto the headstock
[23:45:53] <shaun413> Oww
[23:46:23] <MrHindsight> http://newlondon.craigslist.org/tls/4422817334.html SOUTH BEND 9" METAL LATHE - $500
[23:46:53] <shaun413> No pic
[23:46:59] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/cambridge/12-machinists-rotary-table/583370400?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[23:47:06] <zeeshan> how much do you guys think i should offer this guy
[23:47:27] <zeeshan> its kinda big for the bridgeport clone mill
[23:47:31] <zeeshan> but if i can get it for cheap, ill take it
[23:47:57] <shaun413> 3/4pi*asking price
[23:49:01] <MrHindsight> yeah, but it shouldn't bend your knee
[23:49:12] <MrHindsight> " Heavy as heck."
[23:51:00] <MrHindsight> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4411598493.html Schaublin Toolroom Lathe - $950
[23:51:14] <shaun413> Sorry I meant pi/4 *askinf
[23:51:16] <zeeshan> man
[23:51:18] <shaun413> That's about 275
[23:51:24] <zeeshan> you guys have a lot of stuff on craigslist
[23:51:28] <zeeshan> we nearly dont have as much up here..
[23:51:46] <zeeshan> somene find me a 150$ 24" mitutoyo digial height gauge
[23:51:46] <zeeshan> :P
[23:51:49] <shaun413> But nothing is good
[23:52:38] <MrHindsight> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4408517292.html smithy-lathe - $1000
[23:53:11] <shaun413> Wall Mount
[23:53:20] <zeeshan> bloody wall mount lathes
[23:53:41] <MrHindsight> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4418742696.html Micro Mark 7x16 Metal Lathe with Accessories - $700
[23:56:26] <shaun413> Hm
[23:57:17] <shaun413> So......