#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-11

[02:08:11] <Deejay> moin
[08:27:20] <PetefromTn_> Good morning.
[08:27:26] <R2E4_> morning
[08:28:10] <PetefromTn_> How are you this morning bob?
[08:28:23] <R2E4_> morning?
[08:28:30] <R2E4_> haha.
[08:28:41] <R2E4_> Good you?
[08:28:55] <PetefromTn_> what time zone are you in?
[08:29:02] <R2E4_> Eastern
[08:29:16] <PetefromTn_> then is it not morning there?
[08:29:28] <R2E4_> its 9:12AM
[08:29:46] <R2E4_> I am in the same time zone as you....
[08:29:51] <PetefromTn_> as it is here.
[08:29:54] <PetefromTn_> morning..
[08:30:00] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[08:30:27] <R2E4_> I wrote Good Morning, and it came out morning? ..... Dont know how that happenbed....lol
[08:30:38] <PetefromTn_> aah
[08:31:13] <R2E4_> What are you using for drill tooling?
[08:31:14] <PetefromTn_> I am fine... paying some bills, gonna head to sears to buy some new front drive wheels for my self propelled push mower the ones on it are stripped out.
[08:31:28] <PetefromTn_> just standard jobber length drills.
[08:31:48] <R2E4_> What toolholder?
[08:31:57] <PetefromTn_> I try to buy norseman brand from Fastenal but most of the ones in my large index are cheapo chinese.
[08:32:14] <PetefromTn_> Er20 or ER32 Cat40 Collet holders.
[08:32:23] <PetefromTn_> depending on drill size.
[08:32:36] <R2E4_> Do you have a drill chuck that fits on the cat40?
[08:32:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah one.
[08:32:44] <R2E4_> or you using collets
[08:32:47] <R2E4_> AH
[08:33:14] <PetefromTn_> ERcollets are quite accurate
[08:33:48] <PetefromTn_> much better than the typical drill chucks. Altho they do make some expensive quality drill chucks.
[08:35:55] <R2E4_> I have a retention stud on my tool holders. You have draw bar or what?
[08:36:03] <PetefromTn_> have you been able to make anything interesting on the machine lately?
[08:36:30] <PetefromTn_> mine uses a retention stud and pneumatic drawbar.
[08:36:48] <R2E4_> I have been testing. Cutting pockets and chamfers and profiles. Just making sure everything is ok.
[08:36:52] <PetefromTn_> just like most VMC's
[08:37:00] <PetefromTn_> good idea..
[08:37:46] <R2E4_> I have to clean up wiring, make it look nice and neat, and close up. Whats left is the tool changer.
[08:38:04] <PetefromTn_> Once I get the lawn mowed here today my goal is to finish some machine projects I am working on and then sometime this weekend get that damn encoder mount machined finally.
[08:38:33] <R2E4_> I need to figure out an encoder for my spindle
[08:38:50] <PetefromTn_> I cannot wait to get the toolchanger and rigid tapping working.
[08:39:07] <PetefromTn_> Oh I thought your machine had that built into the motor/drive package?
[08:39:30] <R2E4_> The machine was able to rigid tap and tool change etc.... I am being told with linuxcnc you cant unless you have encoder into Lcnc.
[08:39:50] <R2E4_> IT does have it built in.
[08:39:52] <PetefromTn_> huh I wonder how it was accomplished initially.
[08:40:31] <PetefromTn_> I suppose for LinuxCNC to be able to track the movment it MUST have that feedback.
[08:40:34] <R2E4_> encoder goes directly into spindle drive. Spindle drive outputs analog into old controller and opld controller was able to use that
[08:41:02] <PetefromTn_> aah... Will it be difficult to affix an encoder?
[08:41:04] <R2E4_> I am sure it would work, I just dont know Lcnc enough
[08:41:39] <R2E4_> Directly attached to the spindle is a fan. I think underneath the fan I will be able to add spindle.
[08:41:52] <PetefromTn_> that is exactly like mine...
[08:42:17] <PetefromTn_> Mine had an resolver mounted atop the actual motor and an electric fan built into the cooling enclosure atop that.
[08:42:40] <R2E4_> I havent had the heart to take the servo apart....hehe
[08:43:17] <PetefromTn_> I will be using the environmental housing and wire covering for the new encoder just building a mount that goes underneath it from 3/4 aluminum 6061 plate.
[08:43:34] <R2E4_> I have three weeks to put some kind of lock on the machine. The city paid a visit the other day.
[08:43:54] <PetefromTn_> You do not have to take it apart right just remove the fan?
[08:44:03] <PetefromTn_> HUH what do you mean put a lock on it?
[08:44:30] <R2E4_> They said so someone cannot flip the breaker and operate the machine.
[08:44:42] <PetefromTn_> Interesting..
[08:44:55] <PetefromTn_> You intend to put a keylock on it?
[08:45:05] <_methods> did you tell them that you can't stop natural selection?
[08:45:07] <PetefromTn_> My Cincinatti Had a keylock on the control panel
[08:45:19] <R2E4_> I am going to put a biometric fingerprint reader on it....
[08:45:21] <PetefromTn_> it made it impossible to enable the drives.
[08:45:27] <R2E4_> I have a few of them.
[08:46:08] <R2E4_> I could just put a login for linux
[08:46:11] <PetefromTn_> You should have told them that you doubt anyone else could run it as it is on LinuxCNC LOL..
[08:46:48] <R2E4_> no, no I was ok with that. I had one fire extinguisher hidden away in the corner. He didnt see that.
[08:46:59] <R2E4_> HE could have nailed me on a million things.
[08:47:11] <PetefromTn_> Big Brother..
[08:47:14] <_methods> yeah better not to rock the boat with inspectors
[08:47:17] <_methods> just nod and smile
[08:48:33] <R2E4_> HE was really ok, We stood in front of the machine and I showed hi how it worked.... What I rebuilt etc.... He was ok. Kept his interest on the machine. then he left.
[08:49:27] <R2E4_> I think he wants some things machined. I could see his brain burning.
[08:49:32] <_methods> a fight with an inspector can get expensive real fast
[08:49:37] <PetefromTn_> Well I gotta head out and fix this damn mower..
[08:49:48] <PetefromTn_> cya guys later.
[08:49:52] <R2E4_> C-YA
[08:49:54] <_methods> later pete
[08:50:04] <PetefromTn_> :)
[09:11:11] <eren_> I would like to ask a question about LinuxCNC and BeagleBoneBlack. My company wants to develop a 3 axis CNC machine with Beagle Bone Black and LinuxCNC. Do you think Beagle Bone Black is suitable for develop a product? because when i run the linuxCNC example program, it handles very slow on the GUİ
[09:11:20] <eren_> what do you think about it?
[09:11:48] <jdh> what's the projected lifespan of a BBB? Will buy enough spares to handle EOL?
[09:12:20] <jdh> (no clue on your real question, but the graphics are known slow)
[09:14:25] <Jymmm> jdh: I know you're a dive light snob, but when I come across any, you interested?
[09:14:44] <jdh> thanks, but you probably can't even guess the depths of my snobitude :)
[09:14:47] <_methods> yeah bbb might be fun for a toy or just messin around
[09:14:55] <_methods> but for a real machine probably not so much
[09:14:59] <_methods> or consumer machine
[09:15:23] <Jymmm> jdh: Oh, I'm aware of it... $1000+++++ lol
[09:15:25] <jdh> 3020 style with integrated BBB + stepper drivers/etc
[09:15:32] <_methods> yeah
[09:15:38] <_methods> that would be alright but slow i'm sure
[09:16:42] <jdh> $40 worth of hardware to make it self-contained
[09:17:28] <Jymmm> jdh: I did come across a 20,000 lumen flashlight though =)
[09:17:51] <jdh> yeah. chinese lumens
[09:18:07] <Jymmm> jdh: Noooo, 18 T6 emitters
[09:18:17] <_methods> jeeebus
[09:18:22] <jdh> if you coudl focus that, it might be cool
[09:18:31] <jdh> but, I like a 4-6 degree beam.
[09:18:52] <Jymmm> jdh: Snob away... http://www.dx.com/p/richfire-sf-749-cree-xm-l-t6-8-mode-800lm-white-diving-flashlight-grey-1x26650-1x18650-3xaaa-293320
[09:19:04] <jdh> uhm. dx.
[09:19:20] <Jymmm> jdh: Keep snobbing...
[09:20:09] <jdh> so, my last dive was 280ft deep, and about 2000ft back in a cave.
[09:20:36] <jdh> so the light thing isn't really snobbishness.
[09:21:09] <Jymmm> 20,000 lumens... http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S023130#
[09:21:19] <_methods> freshwater cave?
[09:21:24] <jdh> yeah
[09:21:34] <_methods> what altitude you at?
[09:21:55] <jdh> sea level more or less
[09:22:05] <_methods> rebreather dive?
[09:22:16] <jdh> yeah
[09:22:19] <_methods> nice
[09:22:20] <jdh> rEvo
[09:22:22] <Jymmm> jdh: BTW... I didn't say your snobitude isn't justified, just that it exists =)
[09:24:41] <jdh> I've done about the same dive on open circuit. It cost about $300 for gas fills vs. $10 or so for the rebreather.
[09:25:01] <_methods> bubble and caves = :(
[09:28:00] <Jymmm> I've always had the mindset that when you have to depend on a device, to NOT use rechargeable batteries, especially when in storage for months. But what about Li-Ion batteries (18650, etc), do they have the ability of low internal resistance for 3-6 month storage and reliability vs disposable lithium (CR2 as example) ?
[09:28:24] <_methods> yeah protected 18650
[09:28:35] <Jymmm> why protected?
[09:28:48] <Jymmm> (in this context)
[09:28:52] <_methods> to protect it from over discharge
[09:28:57] <jdh> 3 lights minimum (I take 5) Primary is rechargable. Backups are primary cells with burn time in excess of planned dive time.
[09:28:59] <_methods> if it did discharge
[09:29:45] <Jymmm> _methods: I'm not talking safety, just reliability when stored and needed. In this case is a rail light.
[09:30:07] <_methods> oh well i was just talkin safety
[09:30:16] <_methods> i'm sure you could use unprotected cells
[09:30:22] <_methods> people do it all the time
[09:30:26] <_methods> but......
[09:30:33] <_methods> why risk it
[09:31:07] <Jymmm> In what respect, protected or disposable?
[09:31:41] <_methods> not sure what you mean ?
[09:32:01] <Jymmm> CR2 (disposable) vs 15270 (rechargeable)
[09:32:17] <_methods> oh the rechargeables
[09:32:25] <_methods> you could use them unprotected if you wanted to
[09:33:06] <Jymmm> _methods: See, you are still on the safety thing, I dont care about that, I'm talking someone breaks i the front door and want to see who I'm about to shoot. ok?
[09:34:14] <Jymmm> I'm looking for reliability here, not safety =)
[09:34:45] <Jymmm> lithium vs Li-Ion
[09:34:53] <Jymmm> that's what I'm not sure about.
[09:34:56] <jdh> I use LiFe in my scooter
[09:35:20] <Jymmm> jdh: I don't know if there is iron versions of CR2
[09:35:36] <jdh> nope
[09:36:37] <Jymmm> Ah CR2 10yr shelflife, vs 2-3yr shelflife
[09:37:59] <_methods> gotcha
[09:38:03] <_methods> you want shelf life
[09:38:13] <_methods> li-ion is not the way to go then
[09:38:35] <_methods> unless you keep it ona charger next to your bed
[09:38:54] <Jymmm> Well, I never trust battereies to last that long without inspection. Just need 6-9 month
[09:39:23] <_methods> the flames from your shotgun should give you enough illumination to complete themission
[09:39:31] <Jymmm> If I get li-ion, I could just charge and swap every 6 months
[09:40:14] <Jymmm> hand gun actually, but still has a bit of flamage!
[09:40:20] <_methods> right
[09:40:27] <_methods> shoot more to add light
[09:40:37] <Jymmm> lol
[09:40:46] <_methods> tell the cops you had no flashlight
[09:40:53] <_methods> so you used muzzle flash to illuminate
[09:41:03] <_methods> and enlighten
[09:42:03] <Jymmm> I need to retrain myself now, adds a lot of front end weight
[09:44:16] <Jymmm> jdh: SOB.... They DO have LiFePo in the CR2 size, but they are *HALF OR LESS* the mAH
[09:44:35] <Jymmm> jdh: 14430
[09:44:36] <jdh> yeah, for energy density you need Li-ion
[09:44:43] <jdh> for safety, LiFe
[09:45:03] <Jymmm> s/safety/overall life/
[09:52:00] <eren_> did you develop a product with linuxCNC?
[09:53:03] <eren_> have you ever developed a product with linuxCNC? if it is possible could you write here a link?
[10:15:52] <_methods> always look up
[10:15:55] <_methods> http://www.businessinsider.com/mta-metrocard-subway-credit-card-scam-2014-4
[10:18:06] <Jymmm> And thus why I ALWAYS cover the pin pad =)
[10:18:17] <Connor> R2E4_: This in a commercial shop?
[10:18:37] <Connor> You could always have LinuxCNC boot up and ask for password on boot.
[10:19:00] <R2E4_> Connor, yeah i think thats what I am going to do.
[10:19:20] <R2E4_> It is in a commercial garage in an industrial park.
[10:19:40] <Connor> Ah. What's wrong with having the fire extinguisher ?
[10:19:50] <Connor> or was it the fact it was hidden in the corner ?
[10:20:08] <R2E4_> IT was put away, and for the square footage I have with the machines, I would need at least three more....
[10:20:30] <Connor> Ahh.
[10:21:52] <Connor> I'm happy I got my new coolant pump installed and running..
[10:22:49] <Connor> I just now need to decide how to power it.. if I want to use 12v from the PC PSU with a TIP120 Darlington to turn it on and off..or a external 120V to 12v PSU with a Solid State Relay.
[10:22:49] <R2E4_> What size pump?
[10:23:03] <Connor> Little 800GPH Bilge pump.
[10:23:33] <witnit> wwr
[10:23:35] <witnit> ssr
[10:23:36] <witnit> imo
[10:23:41] <Connor> http://shoreline-marinedevelopment.com/products-bilgepump
[10:23:46] <R2E4_> I like the SSR's.
[10:24:02] <Connor> witnit: Back that opinion with a valid reason. :)
[10:24:51] <Connor> It'll be a tad harder to wire it up with the Wall Wart..
[10:24:53] <witnit> you can control it with the machine or add a switch to turn it on so that way you can clean of flush parts whether you actually are using the machine or not
[10:25:01] <witnit> or*
[10:25:23] <Connor> SSR would have to go inline on the 120v side.. which means putting the Wall Wart and SSR in enclosure and running another 120v line..
[10:26:58] <Connor> I need to take a updated picture of my PC enclosure..
[10:28:08] <R2E4_> IS it a low voltage input to turn the pump on or is it 120 v it needs?
[10:28:27] <Jymmm> jdh: Don't know if you care, but found this interesting... http://lygte-info.dk/info/How%20do%20I%20test%20a%20charger%20UK.html
[10:29:34] <Connor> okay.. had to reboot..
[10:29:37] <Connor> I miss anything?
[10:29:50] <Jymmm> OMG, YES
[10:30:02] <witnit> <R2E4_> IS it a low voltage input to turn the pump on or is it 120 v it needs?
[10:30:09] <witnit> you missed that
[10:30:12] <Connor> As I was saying.. I have 3 120v coming into the enclosure.. 1 for the PC PSU. 1 for the Spindle, and 1 for the Stepper PSU.
[10:30:12] <witnit> I Think
[10:30:33] <Connor> pport can toggle SSR or a TIP120
[10:30:47] <Connor> 12v for pump..
[10:31:31] <Connor> I might be able to tap the 120v on the stepper PSU..
[10:32:01] <Connor> and wire in a SSR and Wall Wart brick..
[10:32:09] <witnit> well if you already have a hardline in, and it always active just hook your ssr there and run the 12v line back to the pump with you stuff in any one
[10:32:32] <witnit> of the enclosures
[10:32:37] <Jymmm> jdh: Interesting read on TYPES of Li-Ion... http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?325456-What-exactly-does-quot-IMR-quot-mean
[10:32:39] <R2E4_> SSR's usually are low voltage to energize 6-30v. Put the SSR in the vicinity of your pump and switch the power.
[10:32:53] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WRC-Western-Reserve-Controls-1781-ROXS-Relay-Output-Module-24-Volt-/181224196741?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item2a31cdca85
[10:32:57] <witnit> can ytou use that?
[10:33:06] <Connor> the SSR I have is 3-30V on the input side. 120v AC on the output side.
[10:33:14] <witnit> crydom?
[10:34:09] <Connor> witnit: I have no 24v in my system..
[10:34:23] <witnit> well cut the 120 line so you arent using your transformer all the time unecessarily
[10:34:46] <witnit> and just hide all the stuff right in the same box you are running the 120vac and then shoot the 12v lines out
[10:35:13] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DhJZAhjbcI
[10:35:19] <_methods> how bout that for a battery
[10:36:13] <Connor> _methods: I think that could cause the cell battery to explode if not careful..
[10:36:13] <witnit> he needs gloves :P
[10:37:21] <Connor> Now to find a 12v wall wart that can handle 5amps...
[10:37:29] <Connor> Not sure I have one...
[10:37:30] <witnit> wth webbrowser crashes at every video now
[10:38:16] <Jymmm> Connor: use a bunch of smaller ones =)
[10:38:59] <GuShH_> what exactly is a "floating fit" when the drawings call for 1 thousand interference, by floating it means it's not constricted in any way other than the interference or what exactly is the meaning? I would have thought floating meant 1 thousand down, not up!
[10:48:16] <Jymmm> Ah, 15266 is the LiFePo4 equiv of CR2
[11:17:18] <Connor> Jymmm: What's your fascination with batteries and flashlights the past few days ?
[11:17:42] <Jymmm> Connor: I got a new rail light in a few days ago
[11:18:19] <Jymmm> and I've ALWAYS had an obsession with light in general
[11:18:35] <shaun415> goodmorning
[11:20:04] <Jymmm> Connor: Hell, I've even worked for a R&D company that grows lasers
[11:20:34] <Connor> Oh. okay.
[11:21:19] <Jymmm> Connor: Did you see my latest find?
[11:21:26] <Connor> I dunno.
[11:21:48] <Jymmm> Connor: 20,000 lumen http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S023130#
[11:22:25] <Connor> What in the heck would someone need something like that for? To blind them ?
[11:23:01] <Jymmm> SAR, Marine, Sporting, etc
[11:24:02] <Jymmm> You get in the middle of BFE, you dont realize how dark it is with a "typical" flashlight.
[11:25:57] <Jymmm> Before LED flashlights, I have a 2,000,000 candlepower spotlight I plug into the cigar lighter. At dusk I was searching for a lost bird in trees, roofs, etc while driving down the street. It was barely enough light to see anything significantly.
[11:26:20] <Jymmm> ...at a distance that is.
[11:26:34] <Connor> and that's the other thing.. lumen vs candlepower..
[11:26:59] <Connor> how does 2M candle power compare to 20K lumen ?
[11:27:59] <Jymmm> It doesn't, not even close =)
[11:28:21] <Jymmm> “Lumen” is the unit of total light output from a light source.
[11:28:25] <Connor> They're different measurements.. how do you COMPARE them ?
[11:28:30] <Jymmm> “Candlepower” is a measure of lighting concentration in a light beam.
[11:28:35] <Jymmm> Connor: You don't.
[11:29:50] <Jymmm> Connor: The official unit of candlepower is the “candela,” which is equal to one lumen per steradian. (A steradian is a fraction of the surface area of a sphere that is equal to the square of the radius divided by the total surface area. This is approximately 8% of the total surface area.) This term is rarely used in practical work.
[11:30:33] <Jymmm> But cp was a good marketig thing at the time =)
[11:32:40] <witnit> we should start a website for active users of the chatroom, with a log of the chatroom and a place for an rss feed of items we found on ebay that are a GREAT buy for someone else if they need it
[11:32:54] <shaun415> yes
[11:33:14] <witnit> and a wanted list
[11:33:36] <witnit> because right now there are things i want, and Im sure others have found them on ebay.
[11:33:42] <witnit> at the right price
[11:34:20] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/search?q=ebay&channel=linuxcnc&go=Go
[11:34:58] <witnit> good logs
[11:35:04] <Jymmm> but since ppl are flakes, you also have to include 'fleabay' and just the 8-11 digit numbers too
[11:35:07] <witnit> but need a frame on the right
[11:35:12] <witnit> yep
[11:35:24] <Jymmm> witnit: quit yer bitchin or make it your self =)
[11:35:33] <witnit> Im busy tho jym
[11:35:42] <shaun415> anyone here ever do the gingery thing?
[11:35:42] <Jymmm> witnit: so is everyone else
[11:36:05] <witnit> im making a program that sifts through your .hal file finds your mesa cards and makes schemtics for your outputs =D
[11:36:39] <witnit> and two machines to finish builds on :)
[11:37:04] <witnit> anyhow someone else is much better with php than myself
[11:37:39] <archivist> the ebay listings just dont last long enough to be catching them, lurk in the channel lazy bums :)
[11:38:10] <witnit> yeah but we dont want a habit of people posting descent buys for ebay right in the room
[11:38:35] <archivist> and sometimes one does not post a fleabay item till one as grabbed it :)
[11:38:55] <Jymmm> lol @ archivist true that!
[11:39:16] <archivist> and there are many we post as bad examples
[11:39:36] <Jymmm> ...and entertainment purposes too
[11:39:40] <ben5446> has anyone using 2.5.3 had problems with the tool change command not loading the correct tool number into the #5400 variable after a tool change?
[11:39:41] <witnit> archivist your name suits the job
[11:40:29] <witnit> you should head this major money/time saving thing :) think of all the people that would appreciate your work
[11:40:45] <miss0r> I have tried using this image to gcode that comes with the linuxcnc software. What I want to do is just have a "2D" drawing transferred. i.e. an engraving with a preset dept. I am having a hard time making that work. Why is that?
[11:40:49] <archivist> ben5446, there is about to be a bug fix release for 2.5 series do you have a repeatable case?
[11:41:44] <archivist> witnit, I already have a logging bot and realise what I might not be able to get from an ebay listing
[11:41:53] <ben5446> yes, it does this every time. I enter t4 m6, then a g43 but the tool offset is not loaded. when i check #5400 to see what tool number is loaded it says tool #0
[11:42:12] <ben5446> this used to work fine when i used version 2.5.0
[11:43:17] <ben5446> i can enter g43 h4 and it works, but i shouldn't have to do this
[11:43:57] <shaun415> what are your thoughts on small desktop lathes?
[11:44:01] <shaun415> are they worth anything?
[11:45:17] <archivist> shaun415, only for tiny work
[11:45:27] <shaun415> well
[11:45:37] <shaun415> What if I dont plan on doing anything that large
[11:45:50] <Jymmm> famous last words
[11:45:54] <shaun415> hm?
[11:47:36] <shaun415> what do you mean Jymmm ?
[11:48:25] <zeeshan> hi
[11:48:26] <Jymmm> shaun415: There's ALWAYS that one time you need that added inch to do something, so nothing is ever "big enough".
[11:48:29] <ben5446> i have a lathemaster 8x14. I like it, but dont expect it to hold a tolerance better that a 0.001"
[11:48:45] <zeeshan> Jymmm: are being dirty!
[11:48:46] <cradek> ben5446: I'm very surprised to hear this. are you using random tool changer?
[11:49:02] <cradek> what are your hal tool change pins hooked to?
[11:49:05] <ben5446> what do you mean by random?
[11:49:20] <zeeshan> ben5446: why not
[11:49:21] <zeeshan> :P
[11:49:31] <cradek> RANDOM_TOOLCHANGER = 1 - This is for machines that cannot place the tool back into the pocket it came from. For example, machines that exchange the tool in the active pocket with the tool in the spindle.
[11:49:40] <zeeshan> spindle runout?
[11:49:40] <ben5446> they are hooked to classic ladder
[11:50:02] <ben5446> cradek, you are familiar with this machine. this is the one that you created the kinematics file for arty ross
[11:50:22] <cradek> uh-oh guilty as charged
[11:50:32] <cradek> so it is not RANDOM
[11:50:36] <ben5446> no
[11:50:45] <ben5446> what gets me is that is worked fine with 2.5.90
[11:50:48] <ben5446> 2.5.0
[11:51:06] <cradek> yes, I saw that, but I don't believe you yet, haha
[11:51:13] <shaun415> maybe
[11:51:21] <cradek> I suspect something else is changed too
[11:52:00] <cradek> are you sure the tool change is finishing correctly? iocontrol.0.tool-changed becomes true?
[11:52:11] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:52:52] <ben5446> it goes through the complete sequence.... I haven't changed my config files or classic ladder since it was working before the upgrade
[11:52:58] <cradek> I just tested 2.5.3 in MDI and it works as expected (G43 alone, and #5400)
[11:53:55] <cradek> please check the iocontrol signals directly
[11:53:56] <IchGuckLive> G43 shoudt always stand with a H for given parameter
[11:54:35] <cradek> in linuxcnc G43 alone is fine
[11:54:51] <IchGuckLive> then it graps the loaded tool ofset
[11:55:05] <cradek> yes
[11:55:36] <IchGuckLive> i force all of my students to get iso standard words
[11:56:06] <ben5446> ill double check the the iocontrol.0.tool-changed signal that comes from my classic ladder program
[11:56:23] <shaun415> so i should not get a small lathe?
[11:56:51] <IchGuckLive> shaun415: get a 4zh on your small mill
[11:56:59] <IchGuckLive> th
[11:57:08] <shaun415> 4th axis?
[11:57:15] <shaun415> I dont have a mill...
[11:58:07] <IchGuckLive> oh no mashine at all is bad
[11:58:15] <shaun415> yes
[11:58:16] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: ?
[11:58:24] <Loetmichel> jo?
[11:58:26] <shaun415> im trying to get started
[11:58:36] <shaun415> oh hi Loetmichel :p
[11:58:52] <IchGuckLive> can y<ou tell me the Baumarkt you have been for the 3mm foam coded
[11:59:12] <Loetmichel> iirc that was "toom"
[11:59:23] <IchGuckLive> ive been at hornbach nothing
[11:59:27] <Loetmichel> but "praktiker" had it, too
[11:59:35] <IchGuckLive> oh toom i need to find one
[11:59:36] <Loetmichel> and "obi" and "hornbach"
[11:59:57] <IchGuckLive> bastelplatte is from plywood
[12:00:49] <Loetmichel> that stuff is called "bastelplatte" or "forex" or "Guttagliss" or "hobbycolor" depending on the Baumarkt you are searching it in.
[12:02:12] <Loetmichel> and EVERY Baumarkt in .de has it in stock
[12:02:21] <Loetmichel> just under different names
[12:02:31] <IchGuckLive> agree
[12:03:49] <zeeshan> any machinists in here?
[12:03:57] <Loetmichel> just askt the clerk ( if you can find one ;-) for "3mm dicke plastikplatten, in allen farben zum basteln, kann man mitm tepprichmesser schneiden"
[12:04:05] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: ale we are v
[12:04:11] <IchGuckLive> we are all
[12:04:15] <zeeshan> please bust this myth for me for once and all. is it bad to leave your 0-1" micromters closed at 0?
[12:04:17] <IchGuckLive> what you need
[12:04:24] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: machinist job or machinis as hobby?
[12:04:26] <zeeshan> i was always told you should keep them open a bit to stop the jaws for collapsing
[12:04:33] <zeeshan> under heat expansion
[12:04:40] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: thats very bad
[12:05:14] <Loetmichel> because the measurement faces are ground to THAT flat that the two faces can weld together simply by light pressure.
[12:05:41] <IchGuckLive> necer ever put micrometer in case when it is closed
[12:05:42] <Loetmichel> not to talk about rust in tight spaces (capillary effect water deposit)
[12:06:42] <zeeshan> okay
[12:06:52] <zeeshan> 'weld together'
[12:06:52] <zeeshan> haha
[12:06:55] <zeeshan> that would really SUCK!
[12:07:15] <zeeshan> what do you guys use to lubricate your micrometers/precision equipment
[12:07:17] <zeeshan> what kind of oil
[12:07:47] <Loetmichel> i dont
[12:08:25] <witnit> cutting oil
[12:08:25] <witnit> hahah
[12:08:33] <Loetmichel> just a light coat of normal fine "sewing machine oil" when it seems to have no oil coat left on the non-chromed parts
[12:09:02] <zeeshan> so like a dry lubricant
[12:09:23] <witnit> the relay in this is driven by 110v correct? http://images.hgrinc.com/inventory/0414/0913123/20140403072100394_L.JPG
[12:09:51] <archivist> zeeshan, a clock oil should be ok
[12:09:58] <zeeshan> hi friend archivist
[12:10:11] <witnit> if it were driven by anything else it would show there? or does that mean it can handle 110 on the contacts?
[12:10:58] <archivist> clock oils are not suppose to dry and go gummy
[12:11:10] <zeeshan> where do you buy 'clock oil' from
[12:12:00] <archivist> there are also thicker oils used on clock and watch springs
[12:12:34] <archivist> any clock/watch spares supplier
[12:13:44] <archivist> or for most expensive google moebius
[12:15:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oviisk4.jpg
[12:15:24] <zeeshan> rofl
[12:15:28] <zeeshan> my friend just sent me a pic of his parts washer
[12:15:31] <zeeshan> that grey stuff is ROCK hard
[12:15:52] <Connor> what IS that grey stuff ?
[12:16:00] <zeeshan> no idea haha
[12:16:13] <zeeshan> he cleans automotive parts before powdercoating
[12:17:08] <zeeshan> 'i tried chiseling it'
[12:17:10] <zeeshan> 'hard as fak'
[12:17:11] <zeeshan> ^
[12:17:54] <Connor> Strange.
[12:18:40] <archivist> there is also a separate oil for measuring faces designed to keep from rusting and also be easy to clean off for measuring
[12:19:02] <archivist> never bought any yet
[12:19:31] <zeeshan> its all from crude oil
[12:19:36] <zeeshan> its prolly just a virgin light oil
[12:20:19] <zeeshan> i have the itch to buy some tools today
[12:20:22] <zeeshan> but no good deal :{
[12:20:22] <archivist> not true, some synthetic some from animals
[12:20:32] <zeeshan> gross
[12:20:39] <zeeshan> you put animal guts on your tools?
[12:20:53] <zeeshan> if it can't be good for your heart, it cant be good for you
[12:21:00] <zeeshan> *your tools
[12:21:20] <archivist> neatsfoot oil
[12:21:40] <zeeshan> http://www.koat.com/national/bmw-gets-hosed-during-fire/25427070?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=koat
[12:21:41] <zeeshan> don
[12:21:46] <zeeshan> don't park in front of fire hydrants
[12:26:41] <witnit> zeeshan what you wanting to buy
[12:27:39] <archivist> I think, one of each from a tool catalogue :)
[12:28:44] <witnit> I remember the feelings of OMG I WANT THAT! and that... and THAT and those there too!.... happened everytime I looked into the tool room
[12:29:45] <IchGuckLive> witnit: dont go to expo with that feeling
[12:30:16] <witnit> Its just tlike my mind races to every moment where I could have used such a thing..
[12:30:22] <archivist> getting damaged old second hand and restoring is a way to build up a pile of tooling
[12:30:37] <witnit> and I die a little inside knowing I lost so much time doing something the hard way
[12:30:57] <witnit> auctions man
[12:31:19] <witnit> all conditions sometimes NIB scrap prices
[12:31:23] <archivist> the base of my 5 axis came from an auction
[12:31:37] <witnit> like 300$ buy wasnt it?
[12:31:43] <zeeshan> im looking for a mitutoyo height gauge
[12:31:45] <zeeshan> 24"
[12:31:50] <zeeshan> theyre stupid expensive
[12:31:52] <archivist> about £10
[12:32:03] <witnit> what kind of base you talking?
[12:32:11] <witnit> vernier okay?
[12:32:14] <zeeshan> no
[12:32:15] <witnit> or dial or what?
[12:32:15] <archivist> the X Y part
[12:32:17] <zeeshan> digital
[12:32:19] <witnit> ahh
[12:32:28] <witnit> need a digital out on it?
[12:32:33] <zeeshan> height gauges are typically 0.001" resolution
[12:32:39] <zeeshan> so its okay to have digital encoders on it in my opinion
[12:33:05] <witnit> you need the option to port the gauge to another source with cable?
[12:33:12] <zeeshan> no
[12:33:14] <witnit> k
[12:33:17] <zeeshan> just a basic height gauge
[12:33:21] <archivist> it is hiding under the ally http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_19_cnc/P1190004.JPG
[12:33:23] <zeeshan> i'd settle with a 12" one
[12:33:26] <zeeshan> if its cheap enough
[12:33:42] <zeeshan> archivist:
[12:33:47] <zeeshan> where do you get that BEEFY angle plate from
[12:33:56] <witnit> ohhh I expected a big cnc
[12:33:56] <witnit> hahaha
[12:34:05] <kb8wmc> lol
[12:34:26] <archivist> noo its is small but imperfectly formed
[12:34:47] <witnit> this is a VERY ridgid machine
[12:34:50] <witnit> good job
[12:35:00] <archivist> zeeshan, so long ago I cannot remember
[12:35:22] <witnit> good choices in base, now you can add more to it and not worry about problems
[12:35:38] <witnit> did you machine dovetails yourself?
[12:36:01] <archivist> well one of those two axes could not handle the off centre loads and has been replaced
[12:36:47] <archivist> no the dovetails were off the measuring machine that the base is was part of
[12:36:58] <witnit> good find
[12:36:59] <zeeshan> archivist: do you have starrett micrometers and mitutoyo?
[12:37:35] <ben5446> cradek, i figured out the problem. there was a sensor on the to detect the tool changer arm swinging out of the way. The sensor was not making contact so the tool change was never completed
[12:37:41] <archivist> starrett micrometers no, mitutoyo yes
[12:37:50] <zeeshan> have you used a starrett before?
[12:38:09] <zeeshan> i sold the starretts, ive been using them for the last little while
[12:38:16] <zeeshan> and the lock mechanism is retarded
[12:38:24] <archivist> not a micrometer, but other starrette tools yes
[12:38:34] <zeeshan> i dunno if you know this but
[12:38:52] <zeeshan> http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/581/581575.jpg
[12:39:02] <zeeshan> but that knurled knob is the lock
[12:39:05] <zeeshan> its quite annoying to use vs
[12:39:23] <zeeshan> http://headway-tech.com/shop/16-56-thickbox/mitutoyo-outside-micrometer-25-50mm.jpg
[12:39:24] <archivist> the Moore and Wright has a similar lock
[12:39:35] <zeeshan> its really annoying to use..
[12:39:43] <zeeshan> cause you're trying to use your thumb to really twist it
[12:39:59] <zeeshan> where as with the mitutoyo you have the torque arm to help
[12:41:00] <archivist> the accidental rotation of the screw is a mistake
[12:41:32] <zeeshan> are yours ratchet type mechanism
[12:41:36] <zeeshan> or friction thimble
[12:41:50] <archivist> I have both
[12:41:56] <zeeshan> what do you perfer
[12:42:45] <archivist> neither, see http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bench+micrometer
[12:42:59] <zeeshan> haha
[12:43:00] <zeeshan> what the hell
[12:43:14] <archivist> there is an anvil force guage
[12:43:27] <zeeshan> thats intense.
[12:43:45] <archivist> down to 4 microns iirc
[12:44:09] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/london/micrometer-mitutoyo-dial-indicator/580290157?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[12:44:12] <zeeshan> that kind of looks like that?
[12:44:29] <zeeshan> actually it doesnt
[12:44:32] <zeeshan> but yea. :p
[12:45:30] <zeeshan> good way to measure shim stock
[12:45:39] <zeeshan> feeler gauges
[12:45:42] <archivist> starrett version http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Starrett+thickness+gauge
[12:46:01] <zeeshan> thats a work of art.
[12:46:08] <archivist> that was outdoors in a scrap yard
[12:46:24] <zeeshan> archivist: hunt stuff or me :{
[12:46:26] <zeeshan> *for
[12:46:31] <archivist> got it just in time before it got too rusty
[12:46:45] <zeeshan> i'm going to visit the two local flea markets today (havent been there before)
[12:47:16] <witnit> http://images1.hellotrade.com/data2/VJ/HU/HELLOTD-1807813/dovetail-250x250.gif I have 6 of these I been saving for projects
[12:47:30] <witnit> like 6" wide
[12:47:35] <witnit> maybe8" I forget
[12:47:49] <archivist> same day found this too http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=PD9354
[12:48:52] <archivist> witnit, you could make a small measuring machine with them
[12:49:23] <witnit> well, I need a servo based cross slides for my ACME-Gridleys
[12:49:26] <zeeshan> how dose that work?
[12:49:33] <zeeshan> you press it into a material on a surface plate?
[12:49:55] <witnit> but I dont have any gearboxes/motors to do it with :/
[12:49:55] <XXCoder1> it looks like it uses that loop
[12:50:16] <XXCoder1> you put it around something and use that knob I guess
[12:50:17] <zeeshan> i see a lever on the bottom
[12:50:37] <XXCoder1> no idea really lol
[12:51:28] <archivist> zeeshan, it has a small indenting probe in one of its feet
[12:51:41] <zeeshan> ah
[12:51:54] <XXCoder1> that loops probably so it can be attached to something
[12:51:54] <witnit> that thickness gauge is awesome
[12:51:55] <XXCoder1> ?
[12:53:17] <witnit> wait, what are you guys asking about on "<zeeshan> how dose that work?"
[12:53:42] <zeeshan> don't retype my typo
[12:53:43] <zeeshan> ;[
[12:53:47] <witnit> oh ahahah
[12:54:08] <witnit> what item were you asking about though?
[12:54:14] <zeeshan> the hardness meter thing
[12:55:01] <witnit> oh
[12:55:07] <zeeshan> hi archivist
[12:55:10] <zeeshan> http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9372&subject=26710
[12:55:12] <zeeshan> you don't need that
[12:55:15] <zeeshan> you should send that to me
[12:56:08] <archivist> along with the height guage I suppose.....NO
[12:56:15] <zeeshan> haha
[12:56:23] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/kitchener-waterloo/machinist-retiring/582696286?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[12:56:26] <zeeshan> im going to visit this guy today too
[12:56:31] <zeeshan> and see if he's got anything of interest.
[12:57:22] <archivist> fill your car
[12:57:24] <witnit> take pictures zeeshan
[12:57:35] <zeeshan> yessir
[12:57:39] <witnit> I may buy things from you or trade for like... I dunno an arbor press
[12:57:46] <zeeshan> haha
[12:57:48] <witnit> :)
[12:58:02] <zeeshan> starting tonight, no more tool buying
[12:58:08] <zeeshan> its back to converting lathe to cnc
[12:58:14] <zeeshan> im so close to getting it moving
[12:58:16] <witnit> same with me tomorrow
[12:58:31] <witnit> must do up my dsm-a
[12:58:38] <witnit> that will be such a fun build
[12:58:44] <zeeshan> dsm-a?
[12:58:49] <zeeshan> diamond star motors? :P
[12:58:56] <witnit> noooo
[12:59:02] <witnit> look up hardinge dsm-a
[12:59:08] <witnit> it has hydraulic slides :P
[12:59:17] <zeeshan> oo turrent lathe
[12:59:20] <witnit> yes
[12:59:55] <witnit> http://www.superiormachinery.com/display_machine.php?ref=5061&wc=22#captcha
[13:00:02] <witnit> there are good pictures there I think
[13:00:39] <witnit> imchanging the turret out for a gange style XY
[13:00:57] <zeeshan> are you converting that to cnc?
[13:01:00] <witnit> yah
[13:01:14] <witnit> but the slides will stay hydraulic with pneumatic return
[13:01:20] <zeeshan> interesting
[13:01:22] <witnit> for heavy form tools
[13:01:33] <zeeshan> looks like a beefy machine
[13:01:46] <XXCoder1> "auto screw" lol
[13:01:47] <witnit> then a spot drill , pickoff and profile and bore on the turret space
[13:01:48] <zeeshan> 3,000lb
[13:01:49] <zeeshan> lol
[13:02:00] <zeeshan> 220v 3 phase
[13:02:03] <zeeshan> you're putting a vfd on it?
[13:02:18] <witnit> no, it has a reverse and brake already via relays
[13:02:22] <witnit> and spindle speed change
[13:02:30] <witnit> I will not waste the money on such things
[13:02:30] <zeeshan> ah
[13:02:42] <zeeshan> i dont have 3 phase power @ home
[13:02:43] <zeeshan> ;[
[13:02:59] <witnit> I got that machine and dv-59 for $500
[13:03:14] <witnit> nice rusty pair for the garage
[13:03:33] <zeeshan> :)
[13:03:35] <zeeshan> good deal
[13:03:51] <witnit> yeah I could gut the machines relays and make my money back if I wanted
[13:05:45] <witnit> Aero-Tec2: do you know much about AEROTECH BA servo amps by chance?
[13:12:27] <witnit> to the shop I go wish me good fortune!
[13:12:39] <XXCoder1> good luck
[13:26:45] <zeeshan> off i go
[13:26:48] <zeeshan> WISH ME LUCK
[13:26:52] <zeeshan> GOOD TRADING!
[13:26:57] <XXCoder1> good luck
[13:27:00] <zeeshan> =]
[13:28:03] <archivist> do we rewrite the actors break a leg to break a drill
[13:28:10] <Jymmm> Unique Japanese light bulbs… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cOjZVi8BT8
[13:32:02] <_methods> thanks to led's and global warming their likes will never be seen again
[13:37:58] <XXCoder1> too bad
[13:38:04] <Jymmm> Eh, there are still useful.
[13:38:10] <Jymmm> they're*
[13:38:32] <Jymmm> 40W in a chicken coop is a perfect heater.
[13:38:49] <Jymmm> Also good for dummy loads
[13:39:04] <cradek> ben5446: yay! thanks for telling me you figured out the problem.
[13:39:27] <Jymmm> 1000W halogen vs 80W LED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puw5812DSzA
[13:39:46] <_methods> noooooooooooo
[13:39:51] <_methods> you're causing global warmng
[13:40:05] <Jymmm> Somebody has to
[14:29:31] <Jymmm> This is the proprietary battery for streamlight flashlights, bothe pos and neg terminals are on the same end... http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nmaPunDAL._SL1500_.jpg
[14:30:16] <Jymmm> Can anyone thik of a way to make an adapter that I could use for Li-Ion batteries (it uses Ni-Cad)
[14:30:34] <Jymmm> primarily the contacts and alignment
[14:31:23] <_methods> looks like 3 cells stacked in series
[14:31:57] <Jymmm> _methods: Again... you hit the wrong subject. Dont care about the electronics, just the mechanical
[14:32:00] <_methods> i'm guessing there's a wire in there coming from neg back to that cap
[14:32:58] <_methods> just take the cap of that
[14:33:00] <_methods> or copy it
[14:33:06] <Jymmm> copy it how?
[14:33:11] <_methods> use the same design and stick a liion in there
[14:33:22] <Jymmm> what materials?
[14:33:32] <Jymmm> how to insulate them?
[14:33:57] <_methods> well with no dimensions it's hard to say
[14:34:09] <_methods> all i have is a picture to look at
[14:34:25] <Jymmm> dims are irrelevant
[14:34:29] <_methods> but from what i can see it looks like 3 subc cells in parallel
[14:34:39] <_methods> in seriies
[14:34:42] <_methods> not parallel
[14:35:16] <_methods> how can dims be irrelevant
[14:35:23] <_methods> that determines what fits in there
[14:38:56] <_methods> but anyways mechanically you just need 2 contacts insulated from each other
[14:38:56] <XXCoder1> only max dims matter
[14:39:05] <_methods> run a wire to the center contact
[14:39:15] <_methods> make a disk out of delrin
[14:39:19] <XXCoder1> if regular AA is smaller you could make adoptor or something
[14:39:20] <_methods> or some other insulater
[14:40:38] <Jymmm> What contact material? How do you insulate them? How do you align them during assembly? How do you fasten the contacts together? How to connect the wiring?
[14:42:55] <Jymmm> those are the quesitons I've been trying to figure out in a simplistic manner.
[14:43:33] <_methods> ok
[14:43:35] <_methods> one sec
[14:44:08] <_methods> make a puck like this out of and insulator (i.e. rubber, delrin)
[14:44:12] <_methods> http://3dfile.io/N3VoPX#file-1
[14:44:26] <_methods> hole in center run lead to metal tabe
[14:44:28] <_methods> tab
[14:44:42] <_methods> slot in side run wire up side of battery to 2nd metal disk
[14:44:52] <_methods> now you have 2 contact points
[14:44:55] <_methods> on same side
[14:45:07] <Jymmm> contact material?
[14:45:08] <_methods> insulated from each other
[14:45:12] <_methods> steel
[14:45:14] <_methods> nickel
[14:45:23] <_methods> whatever conductive you want
[14:45:24] <_methods> copper
[14:45:26] <_methods> gold
[14:45:27] <Jymmm> not steel, rusts.
[14:45:30] <_methods> beryllium
[14:45:38] <Jymmm> copper oxidizes
[14:45:43] <Jymmm> O_o
[14:46:26] <_methods> the conductive metal of your choosing
[14:46:43] <_methods> they typically make battery tabs out of nickel mix
[14:46:58] <Jymmm> chrome plated I believe
[14:47:09] <Jymmm> fancy are the silver plated ones
[14:47:14] <Jymmm> no oxidation
[14:47:14] <_methods> nickel plated steel
[14:47:41] <Jymmm> never seen that on the shelfs
[14:47:52] <Jymmm> shelves
[14:47:54] <_methods> me either i don't know shit about batteries
[14:48:40] <Jymmm> Hows much of a pita is it to solder a wire to SS ?
[14:48:55] <_methods> hrmm no idea
[14:48:59] <_methods> should work
[14:49:04] <_methods> guess i'll try when i get home
[14:49:16] <Jymmm> wait, I may not need to solder.
[14:50:06] <Jymmm> If I make a flat delrin disc, get a SS screw and thread the center of the disc for the center contact, then
[14:50:31] <_methods> now you're using your noodle
[14:50:44] <Jymmm> a ss washer for the outside, I could just thread two more holes and attach the wire there
[14:50:51] <Jymmm> as well as use them for mounting
[14:51:17] <Jymmm> Now, just to find that washer will be a bitch!!!
[14:51:45] <Jymmm> thick walled, large ID
[14:53:36] <_methods> ju8st get one with and OD you like and drill out the center
[14:54:11] <Jymmm> that might work too.
[14:54:19] <XXCoder1> strip to - side, tiny adoptor at +?
[14:54:23] <_methods> probably be easier to find
[14:54:29] <_methods> yeah
[14:54:34] <_methods> strip runs up side
[14:54:36] <XXCoder1> you'd be careful to surround + dample but somehow isyulate
[14:54:41] <_methods> that's hwo they do it in those packs
[14:54:58] <XXCoder1> maybe as simple as paint? lol
[14:55:01] <_methods> you can get thin nickel strip to run up the side of the battery pack
[14:55:19] <_methods> they sell insulated nickel strips for that purpose i believe
[14:55:24] <_methods> like magnet wire
[14:55:26] <XXCoder1> cool
[14:55:36] <_methods> you just clean off the ends b efore you solder them
[14:55:39] <XXCoder1> if has cnc can always mill out of thin nickel sheet lol
[14:55:53] <XXCoder1> paint correct areas then bend it to shape
[14:57:35] <_methods> you could always use 2 sided copper pcb and make it that way too
[14:57:43] <_methods> ah nm
[14:57:54] <_methods> pain to insulate
[14:57:58] <XXCoder1> cant bend em I wouldnt think
[14:58:20] <XXCoder1> yeah paint and nickel seems simplest lol
[15:01:09] <_methods> i don't know the correct terminology for the wire they use to connect parallel cells
[15:01:29] <_methods> they make a thin flat wire that's insulated for connecting cells
[15:02:56] <XXCoder1> dunno too
[15:02:57] <Jymmm> not necessary, will use a single Li0Ion cell instead of 3x1.2V pack.
[15:03:13] <_methods> well good deal
[15:03:37] <XXCoder1> easier
[15:03:45] <XXCoder1> just need to somehow move - front
[15:04:00] <XXCoder1> with more room you could easily make adoptor
[15:11:55] <shaun416> helllo
[15:12:49] <XXCoder1> heyyy
[15:13:35] <shaun416> so, Ive been doing more reasearch
[15:13:47] <shaun416> It seems that these desktop lathes are limited
[15:14:12] <XXCoder1> well your opions is save up longer or buy desktop model
[15:14:27] <shaun416> Right
[15:14:38] <shaun416> Even the tooling on the desktop ones are pricy though
[15:16:58] <XXCoder1> yeah. what machines does you have already though?
[15:17:15] <XXCoder1> too bad its not a lathe. you can make most machines out of lathe
[15:18:25] <shaun416> i have no real machines
[15:18:31] <shaun416> I have 3d printers...
[15:18:36] <shaun416> but they arent real machines
[15:18:47] <XXCoder1> yeah unless they print metal its useless
[15:18:52] <shaun416> yes
[15:18:54] <XXCoder1> for toolmaking anyway
[15:18:58] <shaun416> fun toys though
[15:19:00] <shaun416> :p
[15:19:06] <XXCoder1> I do want one
[15:19:18] <shaun416> cool
[15:20:08] <shaun416> I mean the desktop lathes are nice
[15:20:11] <shaun416> and good price
[15:20:13] <shaun416> good size
[15:20:17] <shaun416> do what i want
[15:20:36] <shaun416> i was recommended to stay away and save my pennies
[15:20:46] <XXCoder1> can one make much larger lathe out of that lathe?
[15:20:50] <XXCoder1> I wonder
[15:20:55] <shaun416> idk...
[15:21:15] <shaun416> its a 3.5x17
[15:21:25] <shaun416> or 3.5x8
[15:21:36] <shaun416> 30lbs
[15:22:09] <XXCoder1> is it type that stock can be fitted though chuck?
[15:22:14] <XXCoder1> hard to explain
[15:22:17] <shaun416> ?
[15:22:25] <shaun416> dont think so
[15:22:29] <XXCoder1> so it can hold material much longer than lathe
[15:22:37] <shaun416> dont believe so
[15:23:08] <XXCoder1> no such thing as 8020 project for lathe, I looked.
[15:23:13] <shaun416> ah
[15:23:56] <shaun416> http://www.sherline.com/4400pg.htm
[15:24:34] <shaun416> it has a through hole through the spindle im told
[15:24:53] <XXCoder1> limited size
[15:24:57] <shaun416> indeed
[15:25:05] <shaun416> its meant for model engineering
[15:25:09] <shaun416> minatures
[15:25:25] <XXCoder1> 17 on long thickness 3.5 dim
[15:25:31] <shaun416> yes
[15:25:33] <XXCoder1> pretty small
[15:25:41] <shaun416> can only through feed aboout 3/8th
[15:25:42] <XXCoder1> fun maybe lol but too expensive for me
[15:25:46] <shaun416> I agree
[15:25:53] <_methods> yeah it has 10mm spindle bore
[15:25:55] <shaun416> Id much prefer an old southbend or something
[15:26:06] <shaun416> but I cant find any
[15:26:06] <XXCoder1> maybe you can get lucky with college
[15:26:13] <shaun416> and dont know what to look for
[15:26:24] <XXCoder1> I once saw GIANT lathe left alone for years at college I attended
[15:26:33] <XXCoder1> probably would sell for couple thousand
[15:26:46] <_methods> a school is your best bet
[15:26:48] <XXCoder1> would need massive repairs
[15:26:50] <_methods> and will cost you nothing
[15:26:56] <XXCoder1> well
[15:27:00] <XXCoder1> besides fuel and time yes
[15:27:13] <shaun416> I have a school
[15:27:19] <shaun416> the shop is always being used
[15:27:21] <XXCoder1> if you cant afford gas you shouldnt buy a lathe ;)
[15:27:29] <shaun416> I share it with 60k students...
[15:27:42] <_methods> 60k students?
[15:27:47] <shaun416> Ive tried. tools are never available...
[15:27:55] <shaun416> well, 4000 engineering students..
[15:28:18] <_methods> hrmm
[15:28:24] <humble_sea_bass> what
[15:28:30] <humble_sea_bass> 4000?
[15:28:34] <XXCoder1> thats huge
[15:28:36] <shaun416> I even took the saftey class
[15:28:37] <_methods> that's a lot of engineers
[15:28:41] <shaun416> and then try to use it
[15:28:43] <XXCoder1> college I went barely had 10 lol
[15:28:46] <shaun416> and its never available...
[15:28:48] <humble_sea_bass> not in my america
[15:28:57] <XXCoder1> actually 40 or so, I thinj. I wasnt one of em
[15:28:58] <humble_sea_bass> what college
[15:29:02] <shaun416> rutgers
[15:29:09] <humble_sea_bass> dog don't even go there
[15:29:14] <shaun416> 60k students
[15:29:20] <XXCoder1> enginner is not "popular" in usa
[15:29:25] <humble_sea_bass> I've been in the rutgers shop, it isn't that bad
[15:29:35] <shaun416> Ive tried to use it
[15:29:50] <_methods> and?
[15:29:55] <_methods> they kicked you out?
[15:29:56] <shaun416> Nothing was available
[15:30:01] <humble_sea_bass> are you a member of SAE/ASME?\
[15:30:02] <_methods> they don't have a sign up sheet
[15:30:17] <shaun416> hmm?
[15:30:37] <shaun416> in any case...
[15:30:42] <shaun416> I do want my own regardless
[15:30:42] <humble_sea_bass> join SAE and ASME, knock some beers with those guys, build shit with them
[15:30:56] <humble_sea_bass> why buy when you can learn for free
[15:30:56] <XXCoder1> theres hacker space ships
[15:30:58] <XXCoder1> shops
[15:31:03] <_methods> exactly
[15:31:06] <shaun416> hmmm
[15:31:07] <XXCoder1> dunno what those shops has but..
[15:31:11] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder1: this is NJ, they don't even have traffic signs
[15:31:19] <_methods> who am i to stop you from spending your money though
[15:31:22] <XXCoder1> lol visited NJ twice
[15:31:27] <humble_sea_bass> i'm sorry
[15:31:30] <shaun416> we dont have space ships
[15:31:30] <XXCoder1> didnt get jobs I interviewed for lol
[15:31:52] <XXCoder1> actually no, once. its maryland thats twice
[15:32:22] <humble_sea_bass> shaun416: join SAE, http://rfr.rutgers.edu/
[15:32:28] <humble_sea_bass> it will change your fucking life
[15:32:29] <shaun416> :/
[15:32:46] * shaun416 is not a social guy
[15:32:51] <humble_sea_bass> trust me they can get you in front of any machine tool with the quickness
[15:33:02] <shaun416> Oh RFR
[15:33:04] <shaun416> NO WAY
[15:33:09] <humble_sea_bass> SEA isn't social, it is about spergin on a car
[15:33:09] <shaun416> Im not doing that
[15:33:14] <shaun416> I hate people in that club
[15:33:35] <humble_sea_bass> hate is a strong word
[15:33:38] <shaun416> good
[15:34:17] <shaun416> some people are very annoying
[15:34:21] <shaun416> did you go to RU?
[15:34:49] <humble_sea_bass> no, I dated someone there though, she was a landscape architect
[15:34:55] <shaun416> i see
[15:35:01] <_methods> oh a pot head lol
[15:35:02] <humble_sea_bass> I was across the river in manhattan
[15:35:30] <shaun416> I want to lathe to make products
[15:35:32] <shaun416> to sell
[15:35:43] <shaun416> Cant really use school equip regurally for that
[15:35:48] <humble_sea_bass> anyways, don't let your social anxieties keep you from learning some shit
[15:35:52] <shaun416> Im also 30 min away... and dont live there
[15:36:43] <humble_sea_bass> you can get the prototyping done for free at school, then move on to buying your own equiptment
[15:36:55] <_methods> ^^
[15:36:55] <shaun416> I dont need to prototype...
[15:37:00] <shaun416> I have a design
[15:37:11] <humble_sea_bass> you're not the only shady guy who has used school equipment to make money
[15:37:30] <shaun416> I dont want to do it because its not convenient
[15:37:39] <shaun416> Its too far away to go everday
[15:37:41] <humble_sea_bass> well then, you should go on shark tank
[15:39:32] <_methods> hell if you have a proven design take it to a real shop
[15:39:45] <_methods> have them makeit for you until you can buy your own equipment
[15:39:48] <shaun416> meh
[15:39:49] <humble_sea_bass> ^^ truth ^^
[15:39:58] <shaun416> Id rather make it myself...
[15:40:30] <humble_sea_bass> having an autism attack over the *perfect* machine is moot because you'll never find it
[15:40:40] <shaun416> I see
[15:41:27] <shaun416> so lets focus on finding a lathe...
[15:41:32] <humble_sea_bass> there are limitiations, be they money, weight, space etc -- engineering is about threading the needle of your boundary conditions
[15:41:42] <shaun416> Yes
[15:41:46] <shaun416> I cant have one too big
[15:41:54] <shaun416> tabletop is my only option really
[15:42:19] <shaun416> as much as I want a monarch10ee
[15:42:53] <humble_sea_bass> smart money says find a tabletop, one that doesn't belong to you, and see if you can make your part in a reasonable amount of time, with reasonable quality outcomes
[15:43:04] <shaun416> I see
[15:43:14] <shaun416> meh
[15:43:15] <_methods> go to your local hackerspace
[15:43:24] <_methods> someone there may have a machine meeting your specs
[15:43:26] <shaun416> if i buy from CL
[15:43:31] <humble_sea_bass> and if you can do that with that lathe, then spend the money, if not you bought a fucktarded lathe that doesn't meet your needs
[15:43:31] <shaun416> it didnt belong to me
[15:43:49] <shaun416> thats why Im asking eperineced people what to buy
[15:44:15] <humble_sea_bass> find one you can use for a prototype run, to see if it will work at reasonable quality/speed to justify the cost
[15:44:25] <humble_sea_bass> I can almost assure you it won't
[15:44:35] <shaun416> heh?
[15:44:41] <humble_sea_bass> but if you're just looking to learn
[15:45:03] <shaun416> I dont care if it takes 3hrs to make one
[15:46:26] <_methods> well then
[15:46:28] <_methods> hobby lathe
[15:46:34] <humble_sea_bass> if you are overwhelmed by the engineering machine shop, go to physics and look at theirs
[15:46:49] <_methods> harbor freight or grizzly lathe
[15:47:13] <shaun416> wel
[15:47:22] <humble_sea_bass> http://njaes.rutgers.edu/machine-shop/
[15:47:24] <shaun416> would a larger lathe allow me to make bigger items?
[15:47:27] <shaun416> or just faster?
[15:47:32] <humble_sea_bass> agricultural has bridgeports
[15:47:35] <shaun416> I meant te opposite
[15:48:16] <shaun416> why not sherline _methods ?
[15:48:26] <_methods> any bench lathe
[15:48:30] <_methods> they're all about the same
[15:48:53] <shaun416> hmmm
[15:49:03] <shaun416> would a larger lathe cut faster?
[15:49:08] <humble_sea_bass> i've seen floppy dildos more rigid than the sherline lathe
[15:49:15] <shaun416> really?
[15:49:15] <_methods> you said you don't care how long it takes
[15:49:23] <shaun416> Well I do to an extent
[15:49:33] <humble_sea_bass> oh so the truth comes out
[15:49:38] <shaun416> yes
[15:49:45] <shaun416> But I dont need a professional lathe
[15:50:01] <_methods> well it all goes back to this one famous equation
[15:50:05] <_methods> time = money
[15:50:28] <_methods> you want a machine that makes a part in less time
[15:50:30] <shaun416> yes
[15:50:32] <_methods> you gonna pay MONEY
[15:50:42] <shaun416> I know
[15:50:46] <shaun416> I could start cheap
[15:50:51] <shaun416> and get better...
[15:51:36] <humble_sea_bass> its friday, i'm gonna go pick up a six pack, get on the subway, get home, drink it, and then look at this channel again
[15:51:45] <shaun416> Ill still be here
[15:51:48] <humble_sea_bass> I expect the circular handwringing to be over
[15:51:48] <shaun416> guarunteed
[15:52:14] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/info/minilathe_compare.php
[15:52:16] <humble_sea_bass> engineer up and make a decision, and live with it
[15:52:18] <shaun416> look at this!
[15:53:01] <shaun416> of course a 7x12 is better than 3.5x17?
[15:53:07] <XXCoder1> it dont list prices
[15:53:41] <humble_sea_bass> bigger numbers always= better
[15:54:34] <humble_sea_bass> that's what i'v been taught. so is something is caled the Whatever 1000 and the whatever 2000, logic dictates that 2000 is better
[15:54:59] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/4200
[15:55:03] <shaun416> ooks nice...
[15:55:08] <jdh> blood pressure?
[15:55:13] <XXCoder1> not too expensive too
[15:55:16] <XXCoder1> 1050
[15:55:17] <shaun416> hmm
[15:55:23] <shaun416> a bit over budget...
[15:55:29] <syyl_ws> i bet you can get a real lathe for that money
[15:55:36] <shaun416> thats the thing...
[15:57:18] <shaun416> I mean
[15:57:20] <shaun416> its 120lbs
[15:57:35] <shaun416> thats better than sherlines 30
[15:58:17] <shaun416> can you make mini stuff on a real lathe?
[15:58:29] <syyl_ws> define mini
[15:58:57] <shaun416> that size^
[15:59:02] <syyl_ws> i had no problems drilling smaller than 1mm on a weiler prakticant lathe
[15:59:09] <Deejay> gn8
[15:59:09] <syyl_ws> or turning stuff that small in diameter
[15:59:15] <shaun416> I need to drill .25
[15:59:18] <shaun416> mm
[16:00:02] <shaun416> 7x12 means 7in diamater?
[16:00:06] <shaun416> 12 in lenght?
[16:00:10] <syyl_ws> yes
[16:00:13] <shaun416> OK
[16:01:03] <shaun416> looks like a modernized atlas crafstmasn
[16:01:18] <shaun416> digital readouts.
[16:05:12] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/4100
[16:05:19] <shaun416> heres the one w/o DRO
[16:09:51] <shaun416> thoughts?
[16:10:57] <shaun416> Can I make my own lathe :p?
[16:11:13] <_methods> yep
[16:11:15] <_methods> gingery
[16:11:44] <Connor> shaun41 Micromark 7x16
[16:11:57] <shaun416> Is gingery a good idea/.
[16:12:04] <Connor> http://www.micromark.com/microlux-7x16-mini-lathe,9615.html
[16:12:34] <shaun416> Im thinking I may need something larger
[16:12:45] <shaun416> I mean,, making parts for cars and such seems fun
[16:14:52] <Connor> for $1k your not going to get much bigger unless you go used.
[16:14:58] <_methods> wow that micromark is kinda nice
[16:15:09] <_methods> got halfnut too?
[16:15:26] <Connor> all the 7x do. they can all thread
[16:15:31] <_methods> nice
[16:15:45] <Connor> that one is just higher quality than the grizzly and harbor freight models.
[16:15:51] <_methods> yeah
[16:16:02] <_methods> i just got an x2 to convert
[16:16:06] <shaun416> hmm
[16:16:15] <_methods> i might do one of those micromarks after that
[16:16:16] <shaun416> Im fine with used
[16:16:18] <shaun416> TBH
[16:16:36] <syyl_ws> i had a mini lathe
[16:16:39] <syyl_ws> it was ok
[16:16:45] <syyl_ws> did pretty much work on it
[16:16:45] <_methods> for $1k you better be fine with it lol
[16:16:56] <shaun416> Im more than fine
[16:17:03] <syyl_ws> i went for a 9x20 after that
[16:17:03] <_methods> it's your only option heheh
[16:17:11] <shaun416> yes
[16:17:15] <shaun416> I just need to find one
[16:18:48] <_methods> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4411598493.html
[16:19:26] <shaun416> hm
[16:19:28] <_methods> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4415629011.html
[16:19:45] <_methods> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4388329041.html'
[16:20:13] <_methods> http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/hvo/4417641868.html
[16:20:39] <_methods> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4418207372.html
[16:20:49] <shaun416> heh i know the guy selling that enco
[16:21:18] <XXCoder1> last nes pretty large for sub 1k
[16:21:19] <_methods> nice little tsugami
[16:21:22] <_methods> http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/tls/4402204417.html
[16:21:25] <XXCoder1> 1';x3'
[16:22:12] <shaun416> hmmm
[16:22:17] <_methods> ah the grand mastah
[16:22:20] <_methods> http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/tls/4416909451.html
[16:22:23] <_methods> south bend
[16:22:34] <shaun416> damn
[16:22:56] <shaun416> thats huge
[16:23:03] <_methods> i hear that alot
[16:23:10] <shaun416> :/
[16:23:40] <_methods> off to eat some dinner
[16:23:41] <_methods> peace
[16:23:45] <shaun416> that micromark looks nice...
[16:40:47] <shaun416> Hmmm
[16:40:56] <shaun416> anyonew have littlemachineshop experience?
[16:47:18] <jdh> you send them money, they send you toys
[16:47:48] <shaun416> hmm
[16:47:49] <shaun416> toys?
[16:48:44] <jdh> toys for me.
[16:48:50] <shaun416> hmm
[16:48:52] <shaun416> you use them?
[16:49:27] <jdh> I have bought stuff from them.
[16:49:32] <shaun416> a lathe?
[16:49:54] <jdh> oh, no... just stuff for lathes and mills. I can't afford their machines
[16:50:00] <shaun416> ahh
[16:50:09] <shaun416> is there a cheaper lathe?
[16:50:24] <jdh> grizzly, harbor freight
[16:50:49] <shaun416> hmmm
[16:50:52] <jdh> what size?
[16:50:53] <shaun416> hf isnt crap?
[16:51:02] <shaun416> I dont need anythingt too big
[16:51:05] <andypugh> This is a really neat idea: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingConfigurationsForDevelopmentVersions
[16:51:11] <shaun416> i just want something decent
[16:51:16] <andypugh> Sorry, wrong link, let me try that again
[16:51:37] <shaun416> Ill also need a mill eventually...
[16:51:41] <andypugh> http://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-pcb-ruler-6
[16:53:51] <shaun416> jdh, ?
[16:54:20] <jdh> yes?
[16:54:26] <shaun416> idk?
[16:54:40] <shaun416> thought you were talking.
[16:55:02] <jdh> they are mostly all made in teh same factory. Some spec better quality perhaps.
[16:55:19] <jdh> but, if you tear them down and clean them yourself, they are about the same.
[16:55:30] <shaun416> I see...
[16:55:44] <jdh> I paid $239 new for a HF 7x lathe. I'd rather have that than nothing.
[16:55:44] <shaun416> so a 400 dollar hf is just as good as a 1000 ?
[16:56:26] <jdh> one you have is better than one you wish you had.
[16:56:44] <jdh> a 7x lathe is better than nothing.
[16:56:56] <shaun416> yes
[16:57:02] <shaun416> some may say its not though
[16:57:03] <jdh> the LMS one is much bigger.
[16:57:13] <jdh> (longer)
[16:57:16] <shaun416> no its a 7x
[16:57:20] <shaun416> 7x16
[16:57:28] <jdh> it is 8 inches longer than the cheap HF one
[16:57:36] <shaun416> Ah
[16:57:43] <shaun416> but it must be lower quality?
[16:58:08] <jdh> arguing quality on various 7x lathes is kind of pointless
[16:58:27] <jdh> yes, it is probably lower quality as shipped, but it's not like either of them is good.
[16:58:28] <shaun416> ?
[16:58:33] <shaun416> i see
[16:58:40] <shaun416> so why buy something that is not good?
[16:59:01] <shaun416> GuShH_, !!!
[16:59:01] <jdh> for me, something not-so-great is better than not having one.
[16:59:34] <jdh> so, now I have 4 not-very-good lathes, 2 of which are HF 7x ones.
[16:59:50] <shaun416> i see
[16:59:54] <shaun416> It is cheap...
[17:02:18] <Jymmm> jdh: If you combine all 4, would that make a Super Shitty one?
[17:02:36] <andypugh> I have a cheap 7x lathe, and it is perfectly capable of making good parts.
[17:02:58] <Jymmm> andypugh: how may tons does it weight?
[17:03:00] <andypugh> But it’s a shock to the system any time I go back to proper lathe.
[17:03:01] <Jymmm> many*
[17:03:39] <andypugh> I lifted my 7x out of the crate and onto the bench myself.
[17:03:41] <Connor> jdh: The Micromart one is a bit better quality than the HF or grizzly.
[17:03:54] <Connor> I would say MM and LMS are on pare, then grizzly, then HF
[17:04:02] <Jymmm> andypugh: ah =)
[17:04:29] <andypugh> Actually, mine is a 9x, but that just means a thicker foot on the tailstock really.
[17:04:33] <Connor> hf has 7x10, 7x12, not sure if they have the 7x14
[17:04:42] <Connor> MM is the ONLY one that has a 7x16
[17:04:43] <andypugh> The bed is even more “too narrow”
[17:05:07] <andypugh> Mine is a 9x40 So it is also too long for its own good as well as too high :-)
[17:05:38] <Connor> Grizzly has a 7x12 and 7x14
[17:06:11] <andypugh> This is mine. http://www.ecvv.com/product/2797578.html
[17:06:21] <andypugh> Don’t. Just don’t :-)
[17:06:26] <shaun416> ?
[17:06:52] <Jymmm> andypugh: That loks HF'ish
[17:06:56] <Jymmm> looks*
[17:07:04] <shaun416> hmmm
[17:07:13] <shaun416> Idk
[17:07:25] <shaun416> the micromark and LMS look nice...
[17:07:57] <Connor> http://littlemachineshop.com/3536
[17:08:01] <Connor> that one is really nice.
[17:08:17] <shaun416> well
[17:08:20] <shaun416> the smaler one,...
[17:08:30] <shaun416> 7x12
[17:08:33] <Connor> but, for $1.6k go for http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-x-22-Bench-Top-Metal-Lathe/G0602
[17:08:36] <_methods> yeah that's pretty nice bench lathe
[17:08:40] <_methods> $1700
[17:08:41] <shaun416> I cant afford 1.6
[17:08:43] <shaun416> no way
[17:09:09] <andypugh> Buy used.
[17:09:23] <shaun416> OK
[17:09:25] <Connor> or http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-x-16-Variable-Speed-Lathe/G0768
[17:09:26] <shaun416> where....
[17:09:29] <andypugh> Ad preferably something made in the 1960s.
[17:09:48] <shaun416> yes
[17:09:53] <shaun416> can I get it cheaper/
[17:09:55] <shaun416> under 1000?
[17:09:59] <shaun416> 500 or so :p?
[17:11:40] <andypugh> This would be nice: http://www.ecvv.com/product/2797578.html
[17:11:47] <andypugh> Sorry, I keep doing that
[17:11:53] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-HLV-TOOLROOM-LATHE-VS-ELECTRONIC-FEEDS-Collett-Closer-3-Jaw-Chk-/271444992688?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3361e2b0
[17:11:56] <andypugh> Is the one I meant
[17:13:52] <Einar> I second that. It is probably not possible to wear a Hardinge down to the quality level of a chinese lathe.
[17:16:26] <shaun416> WAY to big
[17:16:31] <andypugh> There is a lot here, and the price is right at the moment: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Southbend-Lathe-9-Accessories-Attachments-Extra-Headstock-Motor-NO-RESERVE-/400691871513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4b18bf19
[17:47:29] <shaun416> That does look nice andypugh
[17:47:33] <shaun416> Is that a good one?
[17:48:06] <shaun416> how do you measure on that?
[17:48:36] <andypugh> It’s quite old, flat-belt drive is pretty old-school. But the good thing is that they weren’t afaid to put metal in things back then.
[17:49:27] <shaun416> Yeah...
[17:49:46] <shaun416> is that easy to clean up?
[17:50:39] <andypugh> It might be one of these: http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend9-inch/index.html
[17:51:20] <shaun416> I mean could I easily restore it?
[17:51:33] <andypugh> It look sprety clean. The slides look encouragingly clean. The paint would probably clean up with a bit of white spirit on a rag.
[17:51:54] <shaun416> hm ok
[17:52:17] <andypugh> The handles are shiny too. I think it has been in use weeks ago at the most.
[17:52:55] <shaun416> Hmm
[17:52:58] <shaun416> interesting
[17:53:35] <andypugh> That stand at the back looks like the one here: http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend9-inch/page9.html
[17:53:49] <shaun416> missing some parts
[17:54:13] <shaun416> http://s6.photobucket.com/user/mcruff/media/Southbend%20lathe/Lathe.jpg.html
[17:54:14] <shaun416> see
[17:54:18] <shaun416> thats a complete one
[17:54:41] <andypugh> What do you think is missing?
[17:54:49] <Jymmm> link
[17:54:49] <_methods> those are great lathes
[17:54:52] <shaun416> part in the front right
[17:54:55] <shaun416> left reather
[17:54:57] <_methods> hands down
[17:54:57] <shaun416> rather
[17:55:07] <shaun416> _methods, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Southbend-Lathe-9-Accessories-Attachments-Extra-Headstock-Motor-NO-RESERVE-/400691871513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4b18bf19
[17:55:08] <andypugh> The screwcutting box was an option, it looks like the eBay one never had one.
[17:55:08] <shaun416> this?
[17:55:27] <shaun416> Can I make it look like that...
[17:55:35] <shaun416> Looks a bit rsuty
[17:55:38] <shaun416> rusty
[17:56:14] <andypugh> I think it would clean up.
[17:56:26] <shaun416> hm
[17:56:29] <shaun416> is it electric??
[17:57:04] <_methods> sure
[17:57:13] <andypugh> Yes, it comes with a motor and layshaft
[17:57:24] <shaun416> Hmm
[17:58:15] <_methods> extra headstock too
[17:59:37] <_methods> that toolpost though heheh
[17:59:41] <_methods> replace that right away
[18:00:00] <shaun416> whats that?
[18:00:03] <shaun416> whats a toolpost?
[18:00:15] <_methods> heh
[18:00:19] <_methods> now you're trollin
[18:00:23] <shaun416> No im not
[18:00:26] <shaun416> Im new to lathes
[18:01:03] <shaun416> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-pFPFNoMzI
[18:01:10] <shaun416> I want to do this :)
[18:01:17] <shaun416> thats beautiful
[18:01:24] <andypugh> If you want your lathe to be shiny and pretty, perhaps yo uneed one of these; http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett/page2.html
[18:02:01] <shaun416> <3
[18:03:29] <_methods> they don't make em like that anymore
[18:03:41] <shaun416> I agree
[18:03:46] <shaun416> thats a bid though
[18:03:49] <shaun416> price will go up
[18:04:09] <andypugh> I have a Rivett as an room decoration: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-gcVaCprBDw1urh2GG3DmNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:04:29] <shaun416> nice...
[18:04:36] <shaun416> _methods, there are no dials?
[18:04:39] <shaun416> how do you measure
[18:05:08] <_methods> heh
[18:05:14] <_methods> with an indicator and a magnet
[18:05:32] <shaun416> hmmm...
[18:05:33] <_methods> like a boss
[18:05:42] <shaun416> that seems bad
[18:05:45] <shaun416> less accurate
[18:05:49] <_methods> what?
[18:05:52] <shaun416> idk
[18:05:57] <_methods> less accurate than a dial indicator lol
[18:06:01] <shaun416> Idk
[18:06:02] <andypugh> There are dials, but they are quite small.
[18:06:20] <_methods> mighty mag and a 6" dial
[18:06:23] <_methods> get to work
[18:06:25] <andypugh> One drawback of the older lathes.
[18:06:29] <shaun416> ?
[18:06:41] <shaun416> I dont want to spend too much....
[18:06:47] <shaun416> I need it to be precise too
[18:06:56] <_methods> you're in the wrong hobby then
[18:07:04] <_methods> go try squash
[18:07:08] <shaun416> not a hobby
[18:07:08] <_methods> or badminton
[18:07:14] <andypugh> I reckon that the old SB will be more precise than the Chinese thing.
[18:07:14] <shaun416> trying to make it a business
[18:07:34] <_methods> 1000x more precise
[18:08:04] <shaun416> Hmm why?
[18:08:24] <_methods> good iron
[18:08:29] <shaun416> I see
[18:08:32] <_methods> quality craftsmanship
[18:09:17] <andypugh> Unless, of course, it is worn out.. Hard to tell just from eBay photos.
[18:09:30] <shaun416> Yes
[18:09:52] <andypugh> Refurbishment is possible, but not free.
[18:12:02] <shaun416> i see
[18:41:20] <shaun416> so
[18:41:27] <shaun416> Oh hey tjb1
[18:42:12] <tjb1> You troll this channel too?
[18:42:24] <shaun416> I dont troll
[18:42:28] <tjb1> Idiot.
[18:42:36] <shaun416> OK
[18:42:54] <shaun416> So Im looking at the littlemachineshop or a microlux
[18:42:59] <shaun416> any opinions?
[19:32:17] <shaun416> hmm
[19:32:22] <humble_sea_bass> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BidGqPaIcAApFy0.jpg:large
[19:32:30] <humble_sea_bass> that's my only opinion
[19:32:50] <shaun416> heh
[19:33:00] <shaun416> who cares?
[19:34:21] <shaun416> do you think a littlemachineshop lathe is good?
[19:34:35] <humble_sea_bass> ah you see, that's exactly how I feel about the microlux vs LMS choice
[19:34:53] <shaun416> hmm
[19:34:56] <shaun416> is it racist?
[19:35:00] <shaun416> lathist?
[19:35:30] <humble_sea_bass> just get one and live with it until you can get one better, it is all min-maxing excersize now
[19:35:43] <zeeshan> what a dissapointing trade day today
[19:35:59] <humble_sea_bass> stocks or tools
[19:36:02] <zeeshan> tools
[19:36:10] <zeeshan> so i went to this old guys house to check out some tools
[19:36:14] <zeeshan> i knew instantly i was in for some shit
[19:36:22] <shaun416> I mean thi LSM one is sexy
[19:36:25] <zeeshan> cause the guy wouldnt give me prices. he was too attached to the tools (84 years old)
[19:36:33] <zeeshan> he tried to sell my starrett telescoping gauges for $250
[19:36:34] <zeeshan> rofl
[19:36:41] <humble_sea_bass> he was 84?
[19:36:43] <zeeshan> yea
[19:36:54] <zeeshan> i'm like "thats the price of new gauges"
[19:36:56] <zeeshan> he's like
[19:36:58] <humble_sea_bass> sounds more like he needs money
[19:37:01] <zeeshan> "this are in new condition"
[19:37:03] <humble_sea_bass> a specific amount
[19:37:14] <zeeshan> nahh man, i wasted an hour there
[19:37:20] <zeeshan> he was trying to sell al lhis tools at brand new prices
[19:37:47] <humble_sea_bass> can't win them all
[19:37:52] <zeeshan> yessir :P
[19:37:59] <humble_sea_bass> what you should do is keep tabs on him
[19:38:10] <zeeshan> how so
[19:38:17] <humble_sea_bass> enough ppl blow him off and he'll get sad, and you swoop in
[19:38:25] <zeeshan> http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/Precision-Measuring-Tools/Precision-Hand-Tools/Hole-Gages/Telescoping-Gages/S229GZ
[19:38:27] <zeeshan> rofl
[19:38:29] <zeeshan> theyre 211$ brand new
[19:38:37] <zeeshan> so that means local supplier can get em for 160
[19:40:15] <humble_sea_bass> only a rube would give him those prices
[19:40:35] <humble_sea_bass> so he is gonna have to come down to reality at some point
[19:40:37] <zeeshan> the problem is when you have people attached to tools
[19:40:47] <zeeshan> they will be very unreasonable when it comes to priceses
[19:41:05] <zeeshan> you can't sell your old tools that you've owned for 40 years for brand new prices
[19:41:05] <humble_sea_bass> he is 84, there must be a reason he is selling them
[19:41:14] <zeeshan> i think his son has been forcing him to sell em
[19:41:18] <zeeshan> cause the son posted the ad
[19:41:19] <zeeshan> not the father
[19:41:28] <humble_sea_bass> oh. well, fuck the son
[19:41:57] <humble_sea_bass> let your pa keep his fucking tools instead of torturing him in his old age
[19:42:00] <shaun416> hmm LMS seems to have alot of accesories
[19:42:02] <shaun416> and support
[19:42:31] <zeeshan> note to self: never go to a place where the person won't give you aprice on at least one of the items
[19:51:28] <shaun416> ?
[19:53:39] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: no luck?
[19:53:44] <zeeshan> nope
[19:53:45] <zeeshan> :P
[19:54:14] <XXCoder1> yeah when trying to get rid of lots tools... go for lower than new
[19:54:25] <XXCoder1> I met people like that
[19:54:42] <XXCoder1> one guy wanted $6,000 for car thats at best $1k, bad paint, bad engine
[19:54:48] <zeeshan> lol
[19:54:55] <zeeshan> sometimes you just gotta walk away
[19:55:00] <shaun416> is the LMS mill good too?
[19:55:10] <XXCoder1> maybe it hold tons memories and his wife wanna get rid of it and he "agreed"
[19:55:40] <XXCoder1> "its totally worth 6k. totally."
[19:56:26] <zeeshan> haha
[19:56:34] <zeeshan> its worth 1$ for you to crash it into a wall!
[19:57:15] <zeeshan> what some people don't understand is
[19:57:27] <zeeshan> if you bought a tool 40 years ago that was $200
[19:57:34] <zeeshan> its not worth $200 after 40 years..
[19:57:40] <zeeshan> especially since you've used it for those 40 years :P
[19:57:45] <XXCoder1> lol yeah
[19:57:47] <zeeshan> only rare tools get that treatment..
[19:57:52] <XXCoder1> indeed
[19:58:07] <zeeshan> i always price the stuff that i sell fairly
[19:58:14] <zeeshan> and i've never had anyone even bother negotiating with me
[19:58:19] <zeeshan> :)
[19:58:23] <XXCoder1> and even there not always hold value. for exampke rare tool thats been valuable till some company made something better or same
[19:58:33] <zeeshan> exactly
[19:58:46] <zeeshan> i think the only things that tend to hold their value when they're old
[19:58:49] <zeeshan> is things like
[19:58:51] <zeeshan> anvils, and vises
[19:59:12] <zeeshan> or tools that were never used
[19:59:18] <zeeshan> are in absolute pristine condition :)
[19:59:22] <XXCoder1> unless weird and pointless
[19:59:41] <XXCoder1> I still never could find weird screwdriver in screwdriver thingy
[20:00:01] <zeeshan> the screwdriver that olds multiple bits within it?
[20:00:05] <zeeshan> *holds
[20:00:13] <XXCoder1> lol no thats not special
[20:00:25] <XXCoder1> no it has minture screwdriver inside larger regular one
[20:00:32] <XXCoder1> push handle in and tiny one rotates
[20:00:41] <XXCoder1> inside screwdriver blade
[20:00:57] <shaun416> hmm
[20:01:07] <shaun416> is Litllemachineshop stuff good?
[20:01:11] <shaun416> like the lathes and mills?
[20:01:32] <XXCoder1> Youre spinning wheels atm, sometimes its best just go for it
[20:01:40] <shaun416> I see
[20:01:41] <XXCoder1> You got advice for better ones
[20:01:45] <shaun416> well
[20:01:49] <shaun416> I have no room
[20:02:03] <XXCoder1> for 8"17" ones?
[20:02:35] <zeeshan> shaun415: you gotta research online mate
[20:02:41] <zeeshan> and watch some youtube videfos
[20:02:59] <zeeshan> if you have no room, you shouldnt be buying a lathe or mill to begin with
[20:02:59] <zeeshan> :P
[20:03:18] <zeeshan> the only two machines in your range are dinky little sherlines
[20:03:24] <zeeshan> that in my opinion are pretty useless
[20:04:12] <shaun416> well
[20:04:16] <shaun416> these are in my range
[20:04:21] <shaun416> the littlemachine shop ones
[20:04:30] <shaun416> and they are a lot less dinky than sherline
[20:04:34] <shaun416> 150lbs vs 30lbs
[20:04:41] <shaun416> .7 hb vs .3
[20:05:01] <humble_sea_bass> get that one
[20:05:12] <humble_sea_bass> just fucking get it
[20:05:23] <shaun416> OK
[20:05:28] <shaun416> I will get it
[20:05:38] <zeeshan> https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4700&category=
[20:05:42] <zeeshan> that thing?
[20:05:50] <humble_sea_bass> a thing
[20:05:53] <humble_sea_bass> anything
[20:05:56] <zeeshan> haha humble_sea_bass
[20:06:00] <zeeshan> i can tell you're annoyed =D
[20:06:24] <shaun416> yes that thing zeeshan
[20:06:31] <zeeshan> looks pretty decent
[20:06:38] <zeeshan> prolly can do aluminun on it
[20:06:48] <shaun416> its well regarded
[20:06:58] <zeeshan> .34 hp
[20:07:06] <zeeshan> prolly cant handle bigger than a 1/4 end mill
[20:07:13] <shaun416> wiat
[20:07:35] <humble_sea_bass> it is fine
[20:07:57] <zeeshan> my vise weighs more than that mill
[20:07:57] <zeeshan> haha
[20:08:02] <zeeshan> sorry had to say it
[20:08:06] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/3900
[20:08:08] <shaun416> this one
[20:08:44] <zeeshan> WOW
[20:08:45] <zeeshan> er
[20:08:46] <zeeshan> wow
[20:08:49] <zeeshan> it uses a r8 spindle
[20:08:54] <shaun416> ?
[20:09:06] <shaun416> is that a good wow?
[20:09:21] <zeeshan> yes
[20:09:28] <shaun416> Ohk
[20:09:31] <zeeshan> means your tool isnt going to fly out in your face
[20:09:31] <zeeshan> :P
[20:09:32] <shaun416> so these seems good?
[20:09:36] <shaun416> ha
[20:09:37] <shaun416> good
[20:09:39] <zeeshan> yes
[20:09:42] <shaun416> Ok
[20:09:57] <shaun416> shipping is hell
[20:10:04] <shaun416> 200 dollars each item
[20:10:08] <shaun416> :/
[20:10:17] <XXCoder1> same for my future buy of rails. so expensive
[20:10:26] <shaun416> yeah,,,
[20:10:35] <zeeshan> for 1000$ you can get an old bridgeport
[20:10:35] <zeeshan> :D
[20:10:44] <shaun416> well...
[20:10:45] <shaun416> yes
[20:10:47] <shaun416> but where
[20:10:47] <zeeshan> but then again you have n ospace
[20:10:50] <shaun416> and is it good
[20:10:53] <shaun416> And yeah...
[20:10:56] <shaun416> I dont have room
[20:11:08] <shaun416> think apartment sized
[20:13:11] <XXCoder1> rent a warehouse heh
[20:13:23] <XXCoder1> seriously overkill though unless you move there too lol
[20:13:35] <zeeshan> that would be cool
[20:13:54] <GuShH_> is it day dreaming time?
[20:13:54] <zeeshan> you could make a loft style apartment
[20:13:57] <zeeshan> Yes
[20:14:18] <GuShH_> the bridgeport would eat shaun up the first time he turns it on assuming he's got 3 phase or a monster vfd
[20:14:32] <shaun416> ha
[20:14:33] <GuShH_> you know it's not just the machine you need tooling....
[20:14:37] <shaun416> Yes
[20:14:39] <GuShH_> and experience...
[20:14:41] <shaun416> hey GuShH_ !
[20:14:47] <GuShH_> also how are you going to cut material, shaun415...
[20:14:53] <shaun416> hmm
[20:15:01] <shaun416> how can I?
[20:15:12] <shaun416> hacksaw :p?
[20:15:18] * GuShH_ eyerolls
[20:15:31] <GuShH_> bandsaw, chopsaw, mitersaw... those come to mind.
[20:16:03] <GuShH_> hacksaw with a fresh blade is OK for a one off...
[20:16:05] <GuShH_> 1
[20:16:29] <shaun416> i have a chop saw
[20:16:35] <shaun416> can get a metal blade
[20:16:38] <GuShH_> in an apartment?
[20:16:51] <GuShH_> you'll get your ass kicked after a day or two.
[20:16:59] <shaun416> not an apartment
[20:17:06] <shaun416> i said thtats the room i have
[20:17:15] <shaun416> something that could fit in one
[20:17:24] <GuShH_> apartments come in all shapes and sizes though
[20:18:05] <GuShH_> you are in love with an idea but you've never ever worked with these tools so you don't really know what's involved... I suggest you gain access to these tools before you attempt to buy any of them.
[20:18:21] <GuShH_> visit a local shop
[20:18:31] <GuShH_> see if it's what you really want.
[20:18:38] <_methods> he's been told all this multiple times
[20:18:53] <shaun416> I have used them
[20:19:05] <GuShH_> where
[20:19:11] <shaun416> at a shop
[20:19:14] <shaun416> at my school
[20:19:24] <humble_sea_bass> he has access to all sorts of great bridgeport shit at his college and he refuses to use it
[20:19:28] <shaun416> its always crowded though, and not convininet to get to
[20:19:50] <humble_sea_bass> and he wont join SAE and build a race car
[20:19:53] <GuShH_> humble_sea_bass: what a tool
[20:19:55] <GuShH_> himself.
[20:20:01] <humble_sea_bass> for credits no less
[20:20:20] <shaun416> I might actually join RFR
[20:20:21] <GuShH_> you want to produce commercial parts, shaun... a lot is involved in this.
[20:20:23] <shaun416> seems neat
[20:20:28] <shaun416> next year
[20:20:48] <shaun416> GuShH_, small commercial parts
[20:20:59] <GuShH_> your answer basically says "I have no known time on those machines"
[20:21:04] <GuShH_> size is irrelevant.
[20:21:15] <shaun416> ok
[20:21:16] <GuShH_> machining is like flying, you need to clock hours.
[20:21:18] <shaun416> I can learn
[20:21:35] <GuShH_> that's how you get experienced. you don't just buy shit and open up a can of "skillz"
[20:21:45] <GuShH_> well start by using those machines if you have access to them...
[20:22:03] <shaun416> I have
[20:22:09] <GuShH_> let's see what you made then
[20:22:22] * GuShH_ blinks
[20:22:26] <shaun416> ...
[20:22:29] <shaun416> It wasnt for me
[20:22:36] <shaun416> i dont have it
[20:22:41] <humble_sea_bass> wutang gauntlet just got droooooped
[20:22:43] <GuShH_> alright I don't like the smell of bs so I'ma head to another channel.
[20:22:50] <shaun416> .
[20:23:37] <GuShH_> less lies, more pies.
[20:23:47] <shaun416> the pies are lies
[20:23:55] <GuShH_> only one of them is
[20:24:03] <GuShH_> WE ALL KNOW THAT:
[20:24:04] <shaun416> the cherry
[20:24:08] <shaun416> always the cherry
[20:24:45] <GuShH_> humble_sea_bass: you can get literally a bridgeport mill for that money over there? or were you just talking about generic knee mills
[20:24:53] <GuShH_> universal or just vertical
[20:25:12] <GuShH_> and what size...
[20:25:44] <GuShH_> 1k gets me a universal knee mill but they are not bridgeports....
[20:25:50] <shaun416> hm
[20:25:54] <humble_sea_bass> You can find Bridgeport Series 1 in good condition for 1500
[20:26:09] <shaun416> I cant afford 1500
[20:26:18] <GuShH_> add another 500 in collets or so, maybe another 1000 in endmills and such.
[20:26:21] <GuShH_> heh
[20:26:27] <humble_sea_bass> you also can't fit a series 1 so we ain't even going there
[20:26:28] <GuShH_> shaun415: these weigh over a ton
[20:26:38] <_methods> shhh don't tell him secrets
[20:27:29] <humble_sea_bass> the best part of being in college was using Bridgeport everythings from WWII
[20:27:48] <GuShH_> it's not just space, you need a floor capable of holding the beast.
[20:28:09] <shaun416> yes
[20:28:14] <shaun416> I cant get that then
[20:28:23] <GuShH_> so keep looking at toys then
[20:28:30] <shaun416> why call them toys
[20:28:33] <GuShH_> but look for used.
[20:28:36] <shaun416> whats toy about them
[20:28:39] <GuShH_> that's what they are.
[20:28:51] <shaun416> why
[20:28:55] <shaun416> whats toyish
[20:29:01] <humble_sea_bass> they are learning tools he means
[20:29:01] <shaun416> I wouldnt let a kid play with it
[20:29:12] <shaun416> and they can make things cant they?
[20:29:28] <GuShH_> jesus, the tiny sherlines don't even have graduated collars you have to buy a "more expensive model" for that...
[20:29:38] <GuShH_> there's no actual compound
[20:29:47] <shaun416> yeah
[20:29:49] <shaun416> that sucks
[20:29:59] <shaun416> GuShH_, what do you think of the LMS one/.
[20:30:13] <GuShH_> LMS what?
[20:30:18] <humble_sea_bass> just get it
[20:30:21] <humble_sea_bass> just get it
[20:30:22] <GuShH_> it's a tiny little thing that you could CNC to make very small parts, but for what it is... too expensive
[20:30:25] <shaun416> littlemachineshop
[20:30:28] <GuShH_> look for something bigger, used.
[20:30:33] <shaun416> humble_sea_bass, you seem to just want me to leave
[20:30:46] <humble_sea_bass> no i want you to choose
[20:30:48] <shaun416> its not that small GuShH_ ...
[20:30:50] <humble_sea_bass> like that Rush song
[20:30:58] <shaun416> bigger than sherline
[20:31:23] <GuShH_> look for the biggest used most complete lathe you can afford, period.
[20:31:35] <humble_sea_bass> for a dude in engineering school you don't apply any of the principles of it
[20:31:41] <GuShH_> haha
[20:31:51] <shaun416> GuShH_, Ive looked
[20:31:56] <shaun416> they are all huge
[20:31:58] <GuShH_> you need to keep looking.
[20:32:04] <shaun416> Any brands?
[20:32:10] <GuShH_> no
[20:32:37] <humble_sea_bass> i'm gonna pretend to drive a race car on the internet..
[20:33:11] <GuShH_> humble_sea_bass: sounds fun.. can I pretend to get hit by your race car so I can claim insurance?
[20:34:11] <humble_sea_bass> you can, but unfortunately it pays out in iRacing bux
[21:36:57] <shaun416> Woahhho
[23:11:13] <shaun416> Hi all
[23:40:31] <Connor> shaun416: http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
[23:40:41] <Connor> That's what I have
[23:40:51] <shaun416> nice
[23:40:55] <shaun416> how does it work
[23:41:04] <Connor> Works great.
[23:41:10] <Connor> I thought you where looking for a lathe ?
[23:41:11] <shaun416> and you have a lkathe?
[23:41:25] <shaun416> I was..
[23:41:29] <Connor> I have a mini 7x10
[23:41:31] <shaun416> I need a mill too eventually..
[23:41:35] <Connor> I've used a bit..
[23:41:35] <shaun416> what brand lathe
[23:41:44] <Connor> HF or Grizzly, was given to me.
[23:42:00] <Connor> My plan is to put a 4th axis on the mill and use it as both.
[23:42:50] <shaun416> i see
[23:42:54] <shaun416> I hear hf is crap
[23:42:57] <shaun416> id like to avoid it
[23:42:59] <shaun416> :/
[23:43:55] <Connor> those mini mills aren't all that hot either.. if your gonna spend the $$ throw a bit more in and get the G0704
[23:44:12] <shaun416> :/
[23:44:37] <Connor> What are you getting the lathe / mill for ?
[23:45:04] <shaun416> for my business
[23:45:07] <shaun416> and fun
[23:45:15] <Connor> What are you planning on making?
[23:45:16] <shaun416> making 3d printer items
[23:45:23] <shaun416> hotend nozzles
[23:45:33] <shaun416> and parts for electornics kits
[23:45:35] <Connor> now, the mill could make those..
[23:45:42] <shaun416> you need a lathe
[23:45:55] <shaun416> essentially you need both...
[23:45:58] <Connor> you can get a R8 - 3 Jaw chuck.. (4")
[23:46:12] <shaun416> well...
[23:46:24] <Connor> and use the mill as a vertical lathe.
[23:46:43] <Connor> as long as you don't need tail stock.
[23:46:49] <shaun416> I do
[23:47:02] <Connor> for what?
[23:47:10] <shaun416> drilling the nozzle
[23:47:14] <Connor> nope.
[23:47:18] <shaun416> heh
[23:47:27] <shaun416> I need a lathe
[23:47:31] <shaun416> to turn the peeks
[23:47:32] <Connor> mount the drill bit in a collet on a collet holder..
[23:47:45] <Connor> on the table.
[23:47:54] <shaun416> its a .3mm bit
[23:48:09] <Connor> brb, let me find a video of someone using a mill as a lathe to make a tool holder
[23:48:35] <shaun416> OK....
[23:49:26] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FYbKxrasDg
[23:49:32] <Connor> here is a mill being used as a lathe.
[23:49:43] <Connor> with a gang tool
[23:49:57] <shaun416> but thats not its entended purpose...
[23:50:09] <Connor> Doesn't matter.
[23:50:18] <shaun416> idk...
[23:50:24] <Connor> Ask anyone on here..
[23:50:45] <Connor> Heck, for that matter, the G0704 lets you tilt the head if you so choose.
[23:50:54] <Connor> just watch that video
[23:51:34] <_methods> hehe
[23:51:48] <shaun416> hmm
[23:51:55] <shaun416> so then why would anyone buy a lathe/
[23:52:18] <Connor> Because, sometimes you DO need one.. If you need to hold something between centers...
[23:52:42] <shaun416> ?
[23:52:42] <Connor> or you need to turn down something much longer..
[23:53:34] <Connor> The key is.. if using a mill as a lathe.. the setup takes a bit longer.. so, it's not so good for one-off's
[23:54:09] <Connor> but, you said your going to be making these for your business.. so, you make a fixture like in that video for all the tools needed.. and you go gang busters.
[23:54:55] <Connor> In fact, would be easier to automate on the mill than on the lathe.. you would have to change tools or make yourself a counsel.
[23:55:13] <Connor> turret I mean.
[23:55:37] <shaun416> Oh lord
[23:55:39] <shaun416> Longer???
[23:55:50] <shaun416> thats no good, this piece take 3hrs on a normal lathe
[23:56:04] <Connor> for ONE-OFF'S
[23:56:10] <shaun416> one-off?
[23:56:21] <Connor> A single part.. first time making it.. only going to make one.
[23:56:28] <shaun416> Im not making one
[23:57:19] <Connor> exactly.. so, setup time wouldn't be a issue. you make your tooling fixture with all the tools needed.. set all the coordinates and offsets.. and then but the stock in the chuck and hit go.
[23:57:22] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtL6RTjONe0
[23:57:26] <Connor> another video
[23:57:46] <shaun416> its not cnc...
[23:58:09] <Connor> I know. Even if you CNC'd the lathe, you would still have to change tools.
[23:58:12] <shaun416> i just have a feeling
[23:58:20] <shaun416> that a lathe should be used for lathed parts...
[23:58:43] <Connor> if your going to try to make these for sale on a MANUAL machine.. your going to loose money.. unless your time isn't worth anything..
[23:59:03] <shaun416> its not
[23:59:16] <shaun416> how am I going to afford cnc?
[23:59:25] <shaun416> I can barely affor manual
[23:59:34] <Jymmm> shaun416: Got Fishnets?
[23:59:36] <Connor> how old are you?
[23:59:55] <shaun416> 20