#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-08

[07:36:37] <jthornton> http://www.cunninghamcovers.co.uk/cover-stories/mesh-building-wrap/
[07:37:01] <GuShH_> archivist: the area is so dense with foliage I would think IR would be the option to detect something like this, or maybe radar?
[07:37:54] <GuShH_> likewise what about shipping containers... who's going to tax that and under what pretext?
[07:38:08] <archivist> jthornton, that printing has been going on for a number of years, usually used for adverts
[07:38:23] <GuShH_> jthornton: haha
[07:38:42] <archivist> look for temporary structure regs
[07:39:22] <GuShH_> can't find any
[07:39:23] <archivist> containers often sneak in as temporary
[07:39:25] <GuShH_> also nothing about sheds or such
[07:39:37] <GuShH_> their site is rubbish
[07:40:00] <GuShH_> they don't answer the phones but they are very agressive on getting their tax money...
[07:40:12] <GuShH_> well "their" ... thieves.
[10:45:08] <zeeshan> wow
[10:45:11] <zeeshan> its dead in here today!
[10:45:37] <zeeshan> R2E4: awake?
[10:45:50] <zeeshan> R2E4: do you know if we have a canadian equivalent of 'shars'
[10:51:03] <jdh_> how about shars
[10:53:03] <zeeshan> jdh fak shars
[10:53:11] <zeeshan> i try to buy from canada when i can
[10:53:17] <zeeshan> those 2 indicator bases which were 60$ usd total
[10:53:17] <jdh_> why?
[10:53:28] <zeeshan> ended up being $130 dollars by the time they came to my door
[10:53:33] <zeeshan> cause they decided to ship it using UPS not usps
[10:53:38] <zeeshan> when i specifically asked for usps
[10:53:47] <jdh> cdco does usps
[10:53:48] <zeeshan> so i got owned with brokerage fees to the next level
[10:53:55] <jdh> sounds like a personal problem.
[10:54:10] <zeeshan> i woulda bought noga bases
[10:54:14] <zeeshan> but theyre made in israel
[10:54:20] <zeeshan> and i don't buy anything from israel :p
[10:54:28] <jdh> why?
[10:54:48] <zeeshan> cause it just funds an economy that drives them to attack palestine even more
[10:54:59] <zeeshan> and illegally take their land
[10:55:11] <jdh> vs .us?
[10:55:19] <zeeshan> huh
[10:55:47] <zeeshan> jdh
[10:55:48] <jdh> .us funds their economy. and .us attacks plenty of people. You should refuse to buy anything from .us.
[10:55:52] <zeeshan> cdco looks like a nice company
[10:55:56] <zeeshan> jdh haha
[10:56:04] <zeeshan> israel pays US $ for military equipment
[10:56:06] <jdh> their website sucks, but good prices on cheap stuff.
[10:56:12] <zeeshan> if israel has no money, they can't buy :P
[10:56:19] <jdh> we give them the money
[10:56:22] <zeeshan> yea, the same bases i bought are cheaper from cdco
[10:57:11] <pcw_home> and China occupies Tibet
[10:57:13] <pcw_home> Rich countries exploit poor ones News at 11:00
[10:57:37] <jdh> OMG!
[10:57:59] <zeeshan> too bad cdco doesnt have the big hydraulic arm :P
[10:58:07] <jdh> cherry picking issues is pretty common in religion.
[10:59:16] <jdh> I have a motor with an integrated brake. When power is applied to the motor, the normally closed brake releases.
[10:59:34] <zeeshan> what are you using that for?
[10:59:35] <zeeshan> your spindle?
[10:59:55] <jdh> but, it is being driven by a VFD around 25hz and I'm not sure the brake is releasing well enough.
[11:00:17] <jdh> not cnc related. It's an indexing system.
[11:37:06] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[11:37:32] <XXCoder1> hey
[11:41:14] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: hi welcome to the channel laser cutter is a big challenge
[11:43:14] <gkwhc> IchGuckLive: thanks! and yea, seems like its another ballpark
[11:43:40] <IchGuckLive> its fun and dangeres in one part
[11:43:46] <XXCoder1> I do wanna try build a bluray dvd laser cutter project
[11:43:46] <IchGuckLive> i got only 1W
[11:43:51] <XXCoder1> but yeah dangerous
[11:44:20] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: did you see my vid on 5USD laser
[11:44:28] <XXCoder1> I dont think so?
[11:45:07] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L1VR8U74us
[11:45:39] <IchGuckLive> i got a new diod from a double layer dvd an it makes quite 350mm/min
[11:45:41] <XXCoder1> lol olviously modified router cnc
[11:46:05] <IchGuckLive> on standard iso mil you can put all funny stuff
[11:46:18] <XXCoder1> cool :)
[11:46:28] <XXCoder1> I hope I build my cnc router
[11:46:35] <XXCoder1> successfully that is
[11:46:50] <IchGuckLive> i told you to start low budget to get things running
[11:46:58] <IchGuckLive> and then upgrade step by step
[11:46:59] <XXCoder1> indeed
[11:47:19] <IchGuckLive> Goal so ypou get more then one router in some time
[11:47:34] <IchGuckLive> as always spare parts are in storeige
[11:51:05] <gkwhc> IchGuckLive: so can a laser cutter do angled cuts/edge finishes?
[11:51:15] <XXCoder1> yeah once built I would evenually build better framework for it, using 8020
[11:51:28] <XXCoder1> also upgraded controller hardware like you linked me a while ago
[11:54:20] <XXCoder1> ich I saw someone using scanner hardware to build laser cutter lol
[11:54:32] <XXCoder1> it makes sense, scanners is built to be very precise
[11:55:04] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: as yiou make a rotating head yes
[11:56:13] <gkwhc> IchGuckLive: how about cutting in "steps"? is it possible to set laser penetration a certain depth?
[12:02:09] <IchGuckLive> only on NeYd
[12:02:25] <IchGuckLive> and in glas you can focus
[12:02:53] <gkwhc> oh interesting
[12:03:09] <gkwhc> i didnt know that the mechanism affects the capabilities
[12:14:33] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: also a plasma is capable of engraving
[12:14:39] <IchGuckLive> some stone types
[12:14:57] <IchGuckLive> pr even metal at serten quality
[12:15:05] <IchGuckLive> or
[12:16:05] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: whaere are yoiu in the world
[12:17:22] <IchGuckLive> @ all today the last ever update on XP relesed
[12:17:59] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive are they shutting down the update service?
[12:18:08] <Jymmm> or just no more updates
[12:18:16] <Jymmm> (as of today that is)
[12:18:42] <IchGuckLive> no more updates
[12:18:53] <Jymmm> FINALLY! lol
[12:19:09] <IchGuckLive> im with all the pc and all othere things totaly on ubuntu since 2008
[12:19:33] <Jymmm> I'll have to see if they are releasing a final SvcPack or soemthing for future installs.
[12:19:53] <IchGuckLive> i woudt never mind i did this as tons of Microsoft products are in CAD cam but it is working for me with no spare
[12:20:03] <skunkworks> I very much doubt thatt they are shutting down the update servers..
[12:20:04] <Jymmm> downloading 20000 updates would be a pita
[12:20:14] <skunkworks> they ran the 2000 update servers for quite a wile
[12:20:16] <skunkworks> while
[12:20:22] <skunkworks> after eol
[12:20:49] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Good to know. I just need time to grab teh updates for offline usage
[12:22:07] <Jymmm> I'd LUST to be able to slimstream them
[12:22:52] <Jymmm> I take that back... I'd lust for someone ELSE to slimstream them for me =)
[12:23:43] <skunkworks> heh - I have not slipstreamed since 2000 days..
[12:23:54] <skunkworks> it made sense when internet speeds where so slow.
[12:24:39] <Jymmm> It makes sense even today... no bloat in installed systems
[12:24:49] <Jymmm> Saves time during installs
[12:25:10] <Jymmm> No artifacts/conflicts to deal with
[12:25:40] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Why did you say "Released" XP ?
[12:26:53] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I'll probably end up making a Master VM; then create a VM-to-bare Metal image =)
[12:26:59] <IchGuckLive> no the last udae from Ms
[12:27:05] <IchGuckLive> update
[12:27:32] <IchGuckLive> i need to go to bed hard day i cant hit the keyboard hard enoph
[12:27:53] <IchGuckLive> Examina on nearly 10k Students
[12:27:56] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Right, but you added the "Released XP" part. As in, there are other variations of XP (POS as example) that are still getting updates.
[12:28:31] <IchGuckLive> ok im apolygise on that its only the OS
[12:28:45] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Ok, just checking =)
[12:29:08] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: They might be Embedded XP that under contract that might still get tham is why I asked.
[12:29:57] <IchGuckLive> dont think so
[12:30:16] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Heh, W2K.... fuck me... I remember the Destoryer that lost all nagigations systems due to fucked up W2K
[12:32:55] <IchGuckLive> im off early BYE
[12:33:05] <Jymmm> http://web.archive.org/web/20050214070147/http://www.gcn.com/17_17/news/33727-1.html
[12:34:36] <archivist> some users and .govs have paid to keep xp up for a while longer http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26884167
[12:37:18] <R2E4_> Tom_itx: you here?
[12:37:59] <Jymmm> archivist: Yeah, I figured as much. Especially with what the alternatives are =)
[12:38:31] <R2E4_> Hiya Jymmm
[12:38:56] <R2E4_> Hey archivist: I am trying to get feed rate to display on pyvcp panel.
[12:39:50] <R2E4_> Do you know off the top of your head what hal pin I can get that from? wait, let me try this
[12:40:19] <archivist> I shall wait....less for me to do :)
[12:41:26] <R2E4_> can you throw a hint without anybody seeing?:-)
[12:43:26] <archivist> do you mean the current motion velocity motion.current-vel
[12:43:46] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html#PINS
[12:44:14] <R2E4_> right..... motion.
[12:50:21] <R2E4_> ok it works. wrong scale but I will try andfigurethat out. Thanks
[12:52:17] <pcw_home> most internals velocities are in machine units per second
[12:58:20] <R2E4_> glad tosee your still here Pete. After that snake bite....:-)
[12:59:19] <skunkworks> pcw_home, wait - bit by a snake? how did I miss that?
[13:01:45] <pcw_home> no big deal, gopher snake, but not something that happens to me very often
[13:02:49] <XXCoder1> bitten by snake just dont happen that often lol
[13:05:00] <R2E4_> chamfer bit for aluminum, .5 90degree 2 flute? That would be a generic all purpose chamfer tool?
[13:12:53] <R2E4_> .
[13:22:43] <Tom_itx> i think i got 60 deg
[13:22:58] <Tom_itx> half round bits
[13:23:10] <Tom_itx> err for engraving...
[13:24:02] <Tom_itx> the 2 flute would do ok for a chamfer bit
[13:27:33] <Swapper_> what do i change if my spindle (a servo) only rotates backwards?
[13:28:18] <Swapper_> i have tryed changing OUTPUT_SCALE =
[13:28:22] <Swapper_> to negative
[13:30:31] <Swapper_> or maybe its not that simple to run a +-10v drive as a spindle ?
[13:34:50] <mhaberler> Rob Ellenberg's trajectory planner is now combined with jog-while-paused support, see http://goo.gl/LPZcE6
[13:45:05] <Tom_itx> nice
[13:45:33] <Tom_itx> is that included in his git?
[13:46:41] <Swapper_> anyone have a example of a +-10v controlled spindle?
[13:46:48] <Tom_itx> skunkworks do you know about this?
[13:46:54] <Swapper_> cant find a single example
[13:46:56] <skunkworks> nope
[13:49:51] <Tom_itx> would be a handy feature
[14:27:45] <mhaberler> Tom_itx: no, it’s not in his git repo - follow the link
[14:34:35] <skunkworks> mhaberler, if I check his repository - I see the jwp there - is that not the same?
[14:34:36] <skunkworks> https://github.com/robEllenberg/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/mk-jwp-newtp-try1
[14:34:48] <mhaberler> no it is not
[14:35:30] <mhaberler> technically it is, but not from a git history perspective - same code though; the one in my repo is the one going to be merged
[14:36:50] <mhaberler> you’ll see different git sha's
[14:37:14] <mhaberler> I’d be really interested to hear what you find out!
[14:38:24] <Tom_itx> does it rapid or feed back to position?
[14:38:41] <mhaberler> at the jog feed
[14:38:58] <mhaberler> so you can adjust that before reentry through hal
[14:39:03] <Tom_itx> good for the faint of heart
[14:39:19] <mhaberler> I dont like that noise either ;)
[14:41:20] <mhaberler> I guess the link above pointed to the wrong message, should have been this: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/machinekit/IHgwhQx6J7U
[14:41:48] <mhaberler> nope.. dont understand google groups links yet..
[14:41:50] <Tom_itx> it redirected
[14:42:26] <mhaberler> well go to the first post in this thread
[14:43:07] <Tom_itx> https://github.com/mhaberler/linuxcnc/commits/mk-jwp-newtp-rc1
[14:43:12] <Tom_itx> that?
[14:43:15] <mhaberler> yessir
[14:44:02] <Tom_itx> and that has his TP in it as well?
[14:44:06] <mhaberler> yes
[14:44:49] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/304665
[14:45:18] <mhaberler> that was a superfast build ;)
[14:45:26] <Connor> Jog While Paused making it in ?
[14:45:31] <mhaberler> yes
[14:45:37] <Connor> WooT
[14:45:50] <mhaberler> I thought we’d go through the motion testing pains just once
[14:45:58] <PCW> "Swapper_ anyone have a example of a +-10v controlled spindle?"
[14:45:59] <PCW> should be straightforward, its the 0 to 10V spindles that are more involved
[14:46:32] <Connor> PCW Yea.. Have to use ABS and a extra pin to toggle direction
[14:47:16] <PCW> yeah twos comp to sign + magnitude conversion
[14:47:59] <Connor> one would think they're would a simple comp to handle that without having to do so much hal wiring..
[14:48:21] <Jymmm> PCW: (Does +-10 include reverse rotation?)
[14:48:51] <PCW> Yes (if its like a normal analog servo)
[14:49:32] <Jymmm> PCW: Ok, so -10 to 0 is CCW, and 0 to 10 is CW (typically) ?
[14:49:44] <Connor> Yup
[14:50:14] <PCW> Connor: there was a suggestion to have motion provide an unsigned spindle speed but that was rejected
[14:50:30] <Connor> pcw Wonder why?
[14:51:25] <PCW> maybe not unixy enough (tie a bunch of little tools together to do what you want)
[14:52:05] <Connor> doesn't preclude that ability.. just simplifies configuration.. Oh well..
[14:52:29] <PCW> yeah would have been a major convenience
[14:54:02] <PCW> just more HAL boilerplate
[15:07:32] <skunkworks> Connor, are you using master?
[15:07:59] <skunkworks_> 21 float OUT 0 motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs
[15:08:10] <skunkworks_> 21 float OUT 0 motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[15:08:35] <skunkworks_> I think cmorley added it a while back
[15:08:42] <PCW> It was added?
[15:08:57] <skunkworks_> it is in my master of about a week ago
[15:09:13] <PCW> Well jolly good!
[15:09:18] <skunkworks_> I don't think it has made it into the docs
[15:09:51] <skunkworks_> I remember seeing it - but couldn't find it ;)
[15:17:38] <Connor> skunkworks Yes, I am. Didn't know that it was added.
[15:30:58] <Swapper_> PCW: do you know what name the index pulse have from encoders?
[15:31:19] <Swapper_> trying to find it in halwatch
[15:31:33] <Swapper_> halshow even
[15:32:02] <PCW> the hal signal is bob_laube_law_index_enable
[15:33:30] <PCW> if in doubt about pins always good to:
[15:33:32] <PCW> halcmd show all > copy_paste_donor.file
[15:34:09] <PCW> (from a terminal window when linuxcnc is running)
[15:35:06] <Swapper_> hm2_5i25.0.encoder.01.index-enable
[15:35:12] <Swapper_> thx got the file
[15:37:31] <Swapper_> can index be called c-phase?
[15:38:19] <PCW> index-enable is a funny bi-directional signal
[15:38:21] <PCW> its set by motion, and cleared by the encoder
[15:39:02] <PCW> yes sometimes C, sometimes Z, sometimes I
[15:41:16] <Swapper_> so index-enable will not go high when the shaft hits it=
[15:41:18] <Swapper_> ?
[15:41:45] <Swapper_> need a way to debug my servo-amp settings since i dont seem to have index pulse getting in
[15:59:50] <R2E4_> I have a button "Quill Up" Can I safely use G53 Z0 in an mdi command initiated with the Quill up button? ANy drawbacks?
[16:01:45] <PCW> index-enable is set by motion (for homing and spindle synchronized moves) and cleared by the encoder logic
[16:02:35] <PCW> if you want to test by hand, setp index-enable true and see if it gets cleared when you pass the encoders index position
[16:03:30] <Deejay> gn8
[17:28:28] <atom1> skunkworks, how do i pull that TP code to compile?
[18:01:22] <PetefromTn_> Afternoon Folks.
[18:28:25] <XXCoder1> hey
[18:29:55] <PetefromTn_> hey man
[18:33:42] <XXCoder1> hows stuff
[18:35:42] <PetefromTn_> oh alright.
[18:36:16] <XXCoder1> cool
[18:36:20] <PetefromTn_> I gotta tell you working in a Job shop things move pretty damn fast.
[18:36:24] <XXCoder1> went to shop to finalize paperowrk
[18:37:49] <PetefromTn_> I am learning my way around Mastercam with each part we make
[18:38:35] <XXCoder1> thats awesome :)
[18:38:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am pleased to be learning it.
[18:39:45] <PetefromTn_> They have their own way of doing things with the program so my exposure will be limited to that but with the variety of parts they make it will be interesting each time.
[18:40:18] <XXCoder1> yeah best way of learning I think.
[18:40:31] <PetefromTn_> Agreed..
[18:43:29] <XXCoder1> I hope they have place open soon. as they are training shop they rapidly move though employees
[18:43:35] <XXCoder1> so maybe few weeks max
[18:43:56] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[18:44:15] <XXCoder1> they take people who want to learn how to work at machine shop
[18:44:19] <XXCoder1> with cnc and such
[18:44:44] <XXCoder1> they train people then try finmd position for people at their more perment places or maybe other company
[18:44:54] <PetefromTn_> perhaps I misled you.
[18:45:04] <PetefromTn_> This is a FULL time permanent position.
[18:45:15] <XXCoder1> oh I wasnt talking about your polace lol
[18:45:25] <XXCoder1> no, its for me
[18:45:37] <PetefromTn_> I only speak of it as temporary because It is temporary to me until I can get my shop going with work.
[18:45:50] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry.
[18:45:58] <PetefromTn_> You are working in a training shop then?
[18:46:04] <XXCoder1> will be, yeah
[18:46:09] <PetefromTn_> cool..
[18:46:28] <XXCoder1> my vend job will be "on vacation" status till complete
[18:46:35] <XXCoder1> I will train my stand in
[18:46:45] <PetefromTn_> vend job?
[18:47:07] <XXCoder1> vending warehouse job
[18:47:17] <XXCoder1> I am inverory manager basically
[18:47:25] <PetefromTn_> okay
[18:47:42] <XXCoder1> it sounds fancy but reall not
[18:47:52] <PetefromTn_> So you are going to work in CNC machining after training then>
[18:48:12] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ what does that shop make? or who do they make parts for?
[18:48:14] <XXCoder1> maybe. theres various choices
[18:48:33] <Tom_itx> maybe there's some overflow there
[18:48:55] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Basically anything and everthing. Parts for many of the local companies including NiponDenso and others.
[18:50:04] <Tom_itx> it's gonna be hard to get your shop going if you're moving to FL
[18:50:15] <PetefromTn_> This morning I made some simple plates with bored holes and threaded holes and this afternoon we were working on some kinda weldment brackets that had slotted and drilled and bored holes at both ends for denso. then we setup for another project from 4140 prehard plate that was roughed out on the waterjet..
[18:51:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but that is a foregone conclusion we WILL be moving to Florida as soon as we can sell our home.
[18:52:37] <XXCoder1> seeking better place and job eh
[18:52:40] <PetefromTn_> I must say tho that so far the guys I am working with are quite nice and helpful. they discuss things openly and we all kinda help each other with project setup ideas and advice.
[18:53:02] <Tom_itx> no reason not to
[18:53:45] <PetefromTn_> no actually we I just grew up in Florida and and have family there and we are kinda over living in Tennessee after almost 16 years.
[18:54:44] <jdh> I lived in knoxville from 82-96
[18:54:45] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Oh I agree fully but you would be surprised at how some people are not only closed minded but also are so protective of their positions they are unwilling to help a new guy learn anything.
[18:54:49] <jdh> it was about 12 years too long
[18:55:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know man..
[18:55:39] <jdh> I didnt' know it at the time though :)
[18:56:02] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I live south of Knoxville in Maryville and I am quite close to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. this area is actually quite nice and we have enjoyed it. We are just ready for something new.
[18:56:09] <Tom_itx> i kindof had an advantage working at my bud's shop. we were friends long before he started it
[18:56:20] <Tom_itx> i helped him get started from the ground up
[18:56:23] <PetefromTn_> that is always nice.
[18:56:33] <XXCoder1> thats how you tell between experts and "experts"
[18:56:54] <XXCoder1> "experts" is closed and unwilling because they dont know as much as they say they know
[18:56:57] <PetefromTn_> The guy who I work closely with is a friendly fellow and we have a lot in Common IE shooting and cars etc...
[18:57:21] <jdh> I lived in S. Kville, off chapman
[18:57:56] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay... in seymore?
[18:58:18] <jdh> not quite that far. My wife taught at sevier co. high school though
[18:58:28] <PetefromTn_> interesting.
[18:58:45] <PetefromTn_> I live in south maryville not far from the Foothills parkway.
[19:00:07] <PetefromTn_> you can actually see the lookout from my front family room window.
[19:00:28] <jdh> nice.
[19:00:53] <jdh> last year we were there, my wife was 7 months pregnant and we got iced in for a week with no power
[19:01:10] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah that is kinda what I am wanting to leave behind..
[19:01:25] <jdh> I'm hoping to go to florida next wed.
[19:03:01] <PetefromTn_> jealous...TAKE ME WITH YOU!!
[19:03:28] <XXCoder1> pete once you go there, you literally live opposite me
[19:03:38] <PetefromTn_> how so?
[19:03:44] <XXCoder1> I live at wa
[19:04:20] <PetefromTn_> you mean as physically far apart in the states as possible short of Al and HI
[19:04:25] <XXCoder1> indeed
[19:08:57] <Jymmm> jdh: iced in on vacation or living there?
[19:16:42] <jdh> lived there.
[19:17:43] <Jymmm> jdh: Had other heat options I'm suspecting?
[19:19:35] <jdh> other than sit under blankets and shiver? no.
[19:20:43] <jdh> put all the stuff in the freezer outside.
[19:21:44] <Jymmm> jdh: No fireplace or anything?
[19:22:28] <Jymmm> jdh: ...and isn't under the covers "shivering" what got her pregnant in the first place? lol
[19:22:30] <jdh> nope.
[19:23:07] <jdh> heh, both were planned... worked out almost perfectly (one was off by 1 month)
[19:23:48] <Jymmm> jdh: That's fucked up. We had the wall heater go out one evening (scum landlord too), and luckily it wasn't that cold and I was able to fix it the next day luckily enough.....
[19:24:11] <XXCoder1> interesting http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/07/1290380/-Navy-lab-makes-gasoline-from-seawater-as-low-as-3-per-gallon?detail=facebook
[19:24:23] <Jymmm> jdh: after that I said fuck this, and it took me a while but I finally found the Portable Buddy heater.
[19:24:53] <jdh> I bought stuff after I could get out. Never needed it (moved a few months later)
[19:25:17] <jdh> here, we have lost power for a few days post-hurricane, but it is just an inconvenience and the weather is usually beautiful post-storm
[19:25:35] <Jymmm> jdh: Once we had that fucking enro crap and no power for six hours, the gf was sicker than a dawg, it was 100F, no fans, and lost our reef tank too. I got a honda EU2000 after that.
[19:26:13] <Jymmm> jdh: So now, I have power and heat for at least 96 hours
[19:27:08] <XXCoder1> I wonder if theres enough differnal between sun and shade to run larger stirling for power
[19:27:29] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: to power what?
[19:27:38] <XXCoder1> AC. LOL
[19:27:46] <XXCoder1> use hot sun to cool
[19:28:27] <Jymmm> Not sure, after the BS, I just wasn't going to go thru that again.
[19:29:17] <Jymmm> Working on a solar setup too
[19:29:35] <Jymmm> Well, a tad larger than I already have that is
[19:29:57] <Jymmm> I have 15W now, going for 50W next.
[19:31:18] <Jymmm> Speaking of which... I need to shutdown the NAS so I can reclaim my wattmeter =)
[19:31:52] <XXCoder1> cool
[19:36:46] <Jymmm> Yeah, I got a 50W controller for xmas, but I'm going to use that for a 50W panel, and I have these "unique" battery packs that I can use the 15W panel fro directly once I fnd the right connectors.
[19:38:08] <Jymmm> Man, the NAS is slow during startup =)
[19:38:30] <Jymmm> Ah, there she be =)
[19:46:23] <PetefromTn_> was reading Mike Haberlers email posting about a combined build with the new Trajectory Planner as well as the jog while paused feature. Sounds like good stuff to me man..LOL
[19:55:13] <XXCoder1> random thought, possible to run cnc router cut glass? lol
[19:55:40] <PetefromTn_> You could diamond engrave it... Or build a waterjet from one LOL.
[19:56:24] <PetefromTn_> It could be possible to machine it with a diamond bit but you would need a VERY precise and smooth action machine.
[19:56:42] <XXCoder1> I bet.
[19:56:55] <XXCoder1> definitely not any cheap stepper machine I bet
[19:57:35] <PetefromTn_> dunno.. the stepper part has nothing to do with it really. Nothing wrong with steppers.
[19:57:57] <XXCoder1> dont it move in discrate steps
[19:58:04] <XXCoder1> tiny ones but still
[19:58:46] <PetefromTn_> feed is feed I would think but I am no stepper expert.
[19:58:57] <XXCoder1> ok heh
[19:59:10] <XXCoder1> I doubt I would test that theory lol
[19:59:25] <XXCoder1> engrave with diamond bit a circle on glass see what happens
[20:01:39] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8cfxt0NtjM Basically just like this but on glass... and yeah that is a stepper machine apparently.
[20:02:01] <XXCoder1> interesting
[20:02:14] <XXCoder1> wonder what ipm it is going on
[20:02:34] <XXCoder1> and look, it does more than one step deep so doc must be tiny
[20:03:07] <PetefromTn_> whaddya mean?
[20:03:07] <XXCoder1> oh borders nm
[20:03:18] <XXCoder1> I thought it cut twice, deeper on second
[20:03:20] <PetefromTn_> The drag engraver is a floating cutterhaed.
[20:03:29] <PetefromTn_> It is spring loaded
[20:03:39] <XXCoder1> really? intersting
[20:03:54] <PetefromTn_> you just set a suitable Z depth to get the amount of pressure you desire which determines the depth of the engraving.
[20:03:56] <XXCoder1> same thing on steel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eCsngVlKso
[20:04:25] <XXCoder1> it dont seem to be rotating
[20:04:43] <PetefromTn_> it isn't
[20:04:51] <PetefromTn_> it is just being dragged around.
[20:04:59] <XXCoder1> interesting
[20:05:00] <PetefromTn_> Thus the name Diamond Drag Engraving.
[20:06:07] <PetefromTn_> MMMmmmm my wife made me some hot fudge brownies and a tall glass of milk... SWEET!
[20:06:16] <XXCoder1> :)
[20:08:07] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7KWp3cutyk This video shows glass being engraved apparently and the text seems to indicate it is doable.
[20:08:38] <XXCoder1> looing
[20:09:05] <humble_sea_bass> those spring mounted glass grinding bits are the cats pajamas
[20:09:07] <PetefromTn_> nice part about these tools is that the surface need not be perfectly flat due to the floating head which can be a challenge for other forms of engraving.
[20:11:56] <XXCoder2> amazinh
[20:12:10] <PetefromTn_> pretty sweet huh.
[20:12:23] <XXCoder2> yeah I love the glass wine cup one
[20:13:22] <PetefromTn_> you can buy those heads for like $180.00 I think or you can make one yourself. It is simple actually just needs to have good runout and the action needs to be tight so the cutter does not move when the machine changes direction.
[20:13:51] <NickParker|2> Is there someplace I can find a working .hal file for a 5i25/6i25 hostmot2 driven machine?
[20:14:22] <NickParker|2> I can jog axes and spin the spindle and such from halrun now, but trying to build the whole file from scratch seems very very slow
[20:15:34] <PetefromTn_> can you not use PNCconf?
[20:15:51] <NickParker|2> no, I had to do a bunch of special crap with my firmware, mostly to my stepgens
[20:16:14] <NickParker|2> It still takes the same general input .hal side though
[20:16:49] <XXCoder2> pete interesting
[20:18:54] <XXCoder2> when I have handle on cnc thinbg and has money I just might go for heck of it lol
[20:19:11] <XXCoder2> its nice way to make glass products. $1 store always has plenty crap glas
[20:21:08] <NickParker> PetefromTn_, Oh, use PNC to make an example. That just worked pretty well for me, lots of stuff I'm missing here. Ty
[20:22:14] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[20:30:00] <witnit> I think I made a poor choice buying an extra par port
[20:30:48] <witnit> I assumed since they only been around for half a century you would think It would recognize it
[20:30:54] <witnit> nope.
[20:33:17] <witnit> shouldnt two be listed here? [ 16.140448] parport_pc 00:0d: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
[20:33:17] <witnit> [ 16.140520] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
[20:33:17] <witnit> [ 16.233386] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
[20:33:18] <PetefromTn_Andro> Okay back again.LOL
[20:44:57] <PetefromTn_Andro> I got some things I could engrave with that diamond drag engraver maybe I need to try to build one for the VMC ..
[20:47:21] <PetefromTn_Andro> A lot of the parts they make in the shop need to be engraved with a part number. They have this interesting little impact engraver that is a small scarab robot that has a programmable interface that sits on a desktop.
[20:49:45] <witnit> im really foolish when it comes to this stuff, what does this mean? WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/emc2, it will be ignored in a future release.
[20:50:11] <witnit> my printer port I added is asking me to "modprobe wch"
[21:01:04] <XXCoder2> I wonder how well it would work on abs
[21:01:11] <XXCoder2> that engraver thing
[21:09:55] <witnit> could I get just a little direction here? Im attempting to install a printer port. the diagnostic is telling me port not found, check lsmod for driver, and I dont know what im supposed to do to "check" it, its there but
[21:17:02] <R2E4_> evening
[21:17:22] <witnit> gooood eveninnnnnnngg
[21:17:42] <CaptMemleak> wasshappinin?
[21:19:01] <witnit> ha this is the error report from the the tool that came with this printer port card== No any port been found, type 'lsmod' to check driver ==
[21:19:17] <witnit> thanks mr chinaman
[21:19:22] <witnit> big help
[21:20:41] <CaptMemleak> it made sense to him
[21:20:52] <witnit> it doesnt even tell me anything
[21:20:57] <CaptMemleak> and you get points for trying
[21:21:20] <CaptMemleak> what problem are you having with it?
[21:21:34] <witnit> no any port been found
[21:21:40] <witnit> see the log...
[21:21:56] <witnit> it says, do make install..
[21:22:06] <witnit> and insmod ***.ko
[21:22:16] <witnit> and still no port found
[21:22:17] <CaptMemleak> what do lspci give unto you?
[21:22:31] <witnit> it called it serial device
[21:22:51] <CaptMemleak> maybe it's not a LPT controller
[21:22:53] <witnit> 0a:09.0 Serial controller: Device 4348:5053 (rev 10)
[21:23:21] <witnit> 1284 printer card adapter is what is on the package
[21:23:27] <witnit> with a db35 pinout
[21:23:30] <witnit> 25*
[21:23:45] <witnit> what else should you expect to be getting than a printer port?
[21:23:55] <CaptMemleak> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1629616.html
[21:25:37] <witnit> this looks like exactly the same card and problem
[21:25:54] <witnit> I greatly appreciate this how did you find so quickly!
[21:28:32] <CaptMemleak> heh, really want to know?
[21:28:59] <witnit> no
[21:29:00] <CaptMemleak> LMGTFY Device 4348:5053
[21:29:06] <witnit> ahhh
[21:29:09] <witnit> trash
[21:29:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/nc4lvNk.jpg
[21:29:32] <zeeshan> steam engine =D
[21:29:36] <witnit> this is such a waste of my time.
[21:29:40] <zeeshan> that chain might rip someones arm off
[21:29:54] <witnit> I think I will order one which I will not have to mess with.
[21:30:07] <witnit> and never buy from from that company again.
[21:30:35] <zeeshan> do lspci -vv
[21:30:44] <zeeshan> and see if the parallel port shows up
[21:30:45] <witnit> for the time I have wasted on it already I could have bought 4 working out of the box ones by now
[21:31:37] <skunkworks> zeeshan: cool - based on a 2cyl air compressor?
[21:31:43] <CaptMemleak> yeah, lots of Krappy LPT devices out there
[21:31:57] <zeeshan> skunkworks: yes
[21:33:41] <witnit> http://pastebin.com/sSK0c1VB
[21:34:25] <witnit> its really not worth it, if I cant ask someone to pick the item out of the box, place it into the system and load a .hal file it's just not worth it.
[21:35:18] <zeeshan> i dont see what the problem is?
[21:35:31] <zeeshan> its being detected
[21:35:38] <zeeshan> 0x5008 is the address
[21:35:52] <zeeshan> interesting its showing up as using serial drivers
[21:36:20] <witnit> so.. it says its not working with the app that comes with ut
[21:36:21] <witnit> it
[21:36:37] <zeeshan> theres a guy6 that does some steps
[21:36:41] <zeeshan> to get it to work
[21:37:17] <zeeshan> at that link that was posted before
[21:37:22] <witnit> I saw
[21:37:37] <zeeshan> looks like its a matter of getting it to use the parport driver
[21:37:39] <zeeshan> and not serial
[21:38:52] <R2E4_> insmod what they guy said in that post
[21:40:27] <asd_> yo
[21:45:14] <witnit> yeah so, if you live in indiana, free serial port labeled, "printer port" should be at the end of my driveway by morning
[21:48:55] <R2E4_> witnit, howz that software coming?
[21:53:42] <witnit> very good :)
[21:54:22] <witnit> Im curious though which way is your 7i84 oriented when you are accessing it? serial cable is pointed north south east or west?
[21:57:40] <witnit> R2E4_
[21:58:48] <ebrummer> playing with 5i23 and 7i49 for my resolvers. i put the bin files etc in so I can run pncconf , select 5i23, select SV6_7i49 on Mesa I/O setup screen. Hit accept component changes. I don't get any extra tabs to specify which axis etc is which. If I click forward, I get "you forgot to designate a stepper or pwm signal for axis x" etc for each axis. THen I get teh x axis motor/encoder config and can't go forward or anything.
[22:00:55] <pcw_home> Not sure pncconf has ever worked very well for
[22:00:57] <pcw_home> resolver configs but a do you have a sv6_7i49 xml file?
[22:01:17] <ebrummer> believe so
[22:01:33] <ebrummer> copied everything out of the 5i23 zip I have. let me double check
[22:01:55] <ebrummer> yes I do.
[22:04:06] <pcw_home> you can probably disconnect the 7i49, tell pncconf you have a 7I48 config and then edit the hal file
[22:04:07] <pcw_home> ( globally replacing the word encoder with resolver)
[22:04:53] <R2E4_> east
[22:05:04] <witnit> good.
[22:05:04] <witnit> :)
[22:05:27] <ebrummer> thanks
[22:06:02] <pcw_home> no no! the serial connection must face up so it absorbs moon rays
[22:07:20] <witnit> some of that snake poison still flowing in ya huh?
[22:07:25] <witnit> =D
[22:08:21] <pcw_home> I probably poisoned the snake more that it poisoned me
[22:09:31] <witnit> lead and mercury poisoning through osmosis, all that soldering...
[22:09:40] <R2E4_> http://irmtl.com/vm40/plc-relays.jpg http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/panel1.JPG The 7i84 is on the left of the 7io77, with serial cable pointing towards the 7i77
[22:10:31] <witnit> jeesh do you have your wiring sent out to be cosmetically bent
[22:10:39] <witnit> that is some pro stuff
[22:11:23] <R2E4_> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/panel2.JPG closeup
[22:11:56] <R2E4_> That reminds me I have to check 5 inputs that I couldnt get working before.
[22:12:22] <R2E4_> MEsa boards are fantastic!!!
[22:13:22] <ebrummer> my apologies. which config is the 7i48? looking through the files that came with the 5i23?
[22:14:00] <ebrummer> firmware i should say
[22:18:03] <witnit> R2E4_ where is the 7i84 though? isnt that located elsewhere?
[22:21:58] <ebrummer> SVST8_4 would be appropriate?
[22:23:12] <pcw_home> Well I assumed there was one but maybe not...
[22:23:30] <pcw_home> do you have the latest pncconf?
[22:24:11] <pcw_home> SVST8_4 is not a 7I48 config
[22:26:09] <ebrummer> I'm checking on version. I don't know why I wouldn't. Installed it a few weeks ago. hostmot2 is all latest
[22:26:47] <ebrummer> in the package manager
[22:31:08] <pcw_home> if you just want a resolver test config I think i have one around
[22:31:47] <ebrummer> setting up a 3axis analog dc brushed servo with resolvers
[22:32:00] <ebrummer> (and eventually adding a spindle encoder)
[22:32:23] <ebrummer> looking to getting up and going testing axis movement/resolver feedback
[22:33:27] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/hm2-servosrt.hal
[22:33:28] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/5i23-srt.ini
[22:34:11] <pcw_home> are basically the hm2 sample servo files with resolver instead of encoder feedback
[22:35:17] <ebrummer> and I'll drop those in same as the other sample configs, and be selectable when starting up LinuxCNC (and not using pncconf
[22:36:00] <pcw_home> yep
[22:36:51] <ebrummer> thanks
[22:37:27] <pcw_home> check that the resolver bitfile name matches what you have, you may need to change it
[22:41:00] <witnit> I have three large ac resolver feedback gettys motors perfect for a bridgeport or bigger, if anyone needs such a thing