#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-04

[00:19:10] <humble_sea_bass> mcmaster is the most expensive
[00:54:10] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://www.mediabistro.com/inside3dprinting/new-york/ ever been to this circle jerk?
[03:22:34] <eren_basturk> i would like to know that what is the difference between pnfconf and stepconf file?
[03:23:14] <eren_basturk> i want to configure this file to try gamepad controller via USB?
[03:23:47] <eren_basturk> thanks in advance for your help
[03:35:27] <witnit_> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/
[03:35:39] <witnit_> both are explained here
[03:47:06] <eren_basturk> thanks witnit for your information
[04:57:11] <eren_basturk> hi i would like to ask a question. When i run loadusr halmeter command the window of Halmeter appers empty
[04:59:33] <eren_basturk> do you know why this is problem. you can access my problem as image file via the link
[04:59:35] <eren_basturk> http://hizliresim.com/lY21Xk
[04:59:50] <eren_basturk> if you know anything pls tell me
[05:00:24] <eren_basturk> sorry its the true one http://i.hizliresim.com/lY21Xk.png
[05:35:00] <jthornton> you don't have any pins selected
[05:38:50] <jthornton> and it doesn't look like you have any hal running
[05:41:10] <witnit_> anyone have one of these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA&feature=youtu.be
[07:39:20] <PetefromTn_> Morning people!
[07:40:15] <R2E4_awy> mornin
[07:40:59] <eren_basturk> hi ,i have followed this article and i'm getting an error on HAL CONFİGURATİON
[07:41:04] <eren_basturk> http://bdyssh.ru/ispolzovanie-vtorojj-myshi-v-linuxcnc-interesting-way-to-use-2nd-mouse-in-linuxcnc/
[07:41:16] <R2E4_awy> hey Pete, you know if the 7i77 has any inputs programable for analog input?
[07:41:56] <eren_basturk> do you have pins->input section on your hal configuration
[07:42:13] <eren_basturk> ?
[07:42:17] <R2E4_awy> huh?
[07:42:19] <PetefromTn_> R2E4_awy Yeah man it takes analog 0-10v
[07:42:31] <R2E4_awy> in? WHich inputs?
[07:42:38] <R2E4_awy> let me drag the manual out
[07:42:38] <PetefromTn_> spindle..
[07:42:49] <eren_basturk> Pete could i ask a short question to you?
[07:43:04] <PetefromTn_> I was using it that way but I went Modbus and never looked back...
[07:43:14] <PetefromTn_> eren_basturk Sure But I am NO expert.
[07:43:43] <eren_basturk> i'm using ubuntu 10.04 based linux cnc
[07:43:59] <eren_basturk> i have add some functions via halmeter
[07:44:14] <eren_basturk> i have followed this article http://bdyssh.ru/ispolzovanie-vtorojj-myshi-v-linuxcnc-interesting-way-to-use-2nd-mouse-in-linuxcnc/
[07:44:40] <eren_basturk> and this article says we will check the funtion under pins->inputs
[07:45:01] <eren_basturk> but it doesnt exist on my hal configuration
[07:45:03] <R2E4_awy> hal config, you can check inputs of your boards
[07:45:13] <R2E4_awy> menu item
[07:45:26] <R2E4_awy> I think its machine/hal configuration
[07:45:29] <PetefromTn_> you are trying to use 2 computer mice to run the machine>
[07:45:38] <skunkworks> R2E4_awy, I think you can put it in a mode that allows you to read analog signals (0-3v maybe.. ) but peter would know
[07:46:16] <eren_basturk> but there is no input section on my hal conf menu
[07:46:22] <eren_basturk> i
[07:46:57] <eren_basturk> http://i.hizliresim.com/yd8NXM.png
[07:47:14] <eren_basturk> you can look this photo there is no input senction on hal conf menu
[07:47:15] <R2E4_awy> skunkworks: The old machine was taking the analog from spindle drive for speed, and using it for speed input, then outputting it also for hardware RPM meter
[07:47:17] <PetefromTn_> is it under pins?
[07:47:27] <eren_basturk> yes abosuletly
[07:47:40] <eren_basturk> but it doesnt exist on my hal conf
[07:47:53] <R2E4_awy> what hardware that has inputs are you using?
[07:48:05] <eren_basturk> i am using a mouse
[07:48:06] <PetefromTn_> Man I dunno you may have to create the pins in Hal for your inputs..
[07:48:29] <eren_basturk> i have add this functions
[07:48:43] <PetefromTn_> To be quite Clear I am probably NOT the person to ask about this kinda stuff... I need help with basically everything but wiring it up...
[07:51:45] <PetefromTn_> halcmd: loadusr -W hal_input -KRAL Wireless Make sure this line is written correctly.... I know when we have problems seeing stuff it is usually because there is a syntax error.
[07:52:22] <eren_basturk> ah ok
[07:52:26] <eren_basturk> i will check iy
[07:52:32] <PetefromTn_> I mean one single charachter wrong will make it not work..
[07:52:39] <eren_basturk> thank for your help
[07:52:47] <PetefromTn_> I was no help man sorry..
[07:53:16] <R2E4_awy> Are both working?
[07:53:39] <PetefromTn_> It says also that the word wireless needs to be taken from the devices actual name..might want to check that too..
[07:54:47] <eren_basturk> i will check it and i want to say thank you for your support
[07:54:52] <eren_basturk> thanks again
[07:55:15] <PetefromTn_> A lot of times LinuxCNC will error out and you can find the problem from the error dialogue but when it loads and still does not do what you want that can be more difficult to find.
[07:57:03] <R2E4_awy> Pete, you using the spindle encoder input for analog?
[07:57:35] <PetefromTn_> sure man but you would probably be better off taking instructions on pole vaulting from a midget chinamen than taking instructions from me on Hal stuff LOL...
[07:58:00] <PetefromTn_> R2E4_awy Actually we will be here soon when I get the encoder mount machined hopefully this weekend.
[07:58:29] <PetefromTn_> but it will only be the encoder input the control to the drive will remain modbus... if that is possible.
[07:58:59] <PetefromTn_> I got some parts to turn this morning on the lathe so I can finish a project for a customer...
[08:00:56] <PetefromTn_> Gotta dig up a piece of 1.5" diameter Delrin I tossed into the bottom of my aluminum scrap bin.... Under all that junk.
[08:05:02] <PetefromTn_> Hey found it!! How ya like that....
[08:09:33] <PetefromTn_> A beautiful day outside, Off from work and working in my own shop again, listening to some RUSH Hemishpheres on the stereo via my Smartphone.....Life is good!!
[08:10:01] <archivist> "Off from work" you got a proper job?
[08:12:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah LOL unfortunately I work a little in a local shop...
[08:14:39] <PetefromTn_> and whaddya mean PROPER smartypants ;)
[08:14:55] <archivist> who does cheap glass bubbles http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_04_04_tools/IMG_1785.JPG
[08:15:33] <archivist> proper!=self employed scratching a living
[08:15:48] <PetefromTn_> precisely.... What I aspire to be.
[08:16:34] <archivist> its the scratching part I dont like, too much hungry and cold time
[08:18:18] <PetefromTn_> Oh Brother let me tell ya I been doing WAY too much of that part lemme tell ya....
[08:20:05] <PetefromTn_> What kills me is just one or two GOOD machining projects for customers would help a TON!! trying to find that now. I am going out to visit some local manufacturers today.
[08:20:47] <PetefromTn_> La villa Strangiato... LOve this song.
[08:21:33] <R2E4_awy> i dont see in docs that the 7i77 has an analog input.
[08:23:00] <PetefromTn_> what are you trying to do...I guess the 0-10 v would be an output now that I think about it. Sorry.
[08:23:27] <R2E4_awy> I have speed data in need linuxCNC to know about. analog input
[08:24:17] <eren_basturk> hi i want ask a questtion
[08:24:22] <R2E4_awy> I thought I read somewhere that the 7i77 you had two adc inputs
[08:24:33] <eren_basturk> i wrote this command
[08:26:03] <eren_basturk> sudo echo ” >> /etc/udev/rules.d/99-rtai.rules
[08:26:04] <eren_basturk> and i get this error bash: /etc/udev/rules.d/99-rtai.rules: Permission denied
[08:26:24] <eren_basturk> the problem is i wrote sudo but it says permission denied
[08:26:33] <eren_basturk> do you think what is the porblem
[08:26:35] <eren_basturk> ?
[08:26:56] <PetefromTn_> Page 17 of the 7i77 manual says something about analog inputs.
[08:27:30] <R2E4_awy> yeah, I just read that. I dont think 8bits is enough resolution
[08:27:30] <PetefromTn_> Did you put your password in?
[08:27:41] <eren_basturk> i could write
[08:27:57] <eren_basturk> termidal doesnt ask me any pass
[08:28:08] <eren_basturk> only says permission denied
[08:28:33] <PetefromTn_> maybe try sudo something else and get password request and input it.
[08:31:11] <PetefromTn_> There is unrest in the forest,There is trouble with the trees, For the maples want more sunlight And the oaks ignore their pleas.
[08:31:28] <PetefromTn_> Man you gotta be smokin' some good stuff to write stuff like that LOL....
[08:32:22] <R2E4_awy> passwd would do the trick
[08:32:28] <R2E4_awy> root needs a password
[08:33:14] <R2E4_awy> if i can get this analog going, I could do ridgid tapping
[08:33:50] <PetefromTn_> Man I THOUGHT it was nice outside but I am in the shop and just got the crap scared out of me by a HUGE lightning strike....
[08:34:48] <Einar> Pete: If your machine is not well grounded, make sure you are not either!!!
[08:35:16] <R2E4_awy> PEte, I have an unclamp button on my panel, I am thinking I need to put a button in series with the unclamp button so no one accidently hits the unclamp button while cutting. That would be bad
[08:39:02] <PetefromTn_> Damn that was a big thunder strike...knocked out my internet too.
[08:58:20] <eren_basturk> do you have input section under pins->0-> .. directory
[08:58:26] <eren_basturk> ?
[09:15:47] <PetefromTn_Andro> Jeez man a couple lightning bolts and thunder and not only does my power go out but my cell service also. It was like the Flintstones in here for a while.
[09:16:16] <PetefromTn_Andro> Coulda been a disaster...LOL
[09:23:20] <Einar> Skydiver almost hit by a meteorite! http://www.nrk.no/viten/skydiver-nearly-struck-by-meteorite-1.11646757
[09:23:59] <PetefromTn_Andro> Just read the logs... R2-E4.... We setup a safety intrlerlock in Hal or something that makes it impossible for the tool release button to work if the spindles zero speed output is not on. Basically if the spindle is turning the button does not work.
[09:27:39] <PetefromTn_Andro> Eijar that would ruin your dive real quick like...
[09:27:51] <PetefromTn_Andro> Einar
[09:29:00] <PetefromTn_Andro> Maybe it was one of those frozen balls of poppies from an airliner at 30k that are so rumored to exist LOL....
[09:29:26] <PetefromTn_Andro> Poopies,..... damn auto correct.
[09:29:28] <R2E4_awy> Yeah, I guess I will do that also, but I rather have it hardwired interlock
[09:31:13] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well since the 7i77 has to control it there may be a way but it will be more complex. It works great the way I have it. We tested it with the spindle spinning very slowly one time. Button just does nothing.
[09:32:18] <R2E4> I have a azero speed signal output of the drive, so I can do that no problem.
[09:33:04] <PetefromTn_Andro> Speaking of buttons I need to get some more for my panel. Want some nice heavy duty NO or NC buttons... both operations in same button like the ones I have now.
[09:33:10] <R2E4> I am running out of outputs and inputs
[09:33:39] <PetefromTn_Andro> You can always get another daughter card.
[09:33:55] <R2E4> I have no use for my jog buttons I put on my panel. I could have used them for something else, but I allready engraved the panel etc... DOH!!!!
[09:34:23] <PetefromTn_Andro> Why jog buttons are nice to have..
[09:34:29] <R2E4> I have a 7i84 that is allmost full, no other cards can go on it.
[09:34:39] <R2E4> MPG does everything I need
[09:34:42] <PetefromTn_Andro> Even if you set them up to just select an axis for MPG.
[09:35:20] <R2E4> I have a switch on my mpg that selects axis and switch sets scale.
[09:35:40] <PetefromTn_Andro> Would be nice to have dial select switches for axis and steps per to control the MPG.
[09:36:08] <PetefromTn_Andro> Is this a portable MPG?
[09:37:42] <R2E4> I have this one
[09:37:44] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/vm40/MPG2_A.jpg
[09:37:48] <R2E4> exactly
[09:37:56] <R2E4> works fantastic....
[09:39:42] <PetefromTn_Andro> Nice man I have been looking at some of those...I would want things like cycle start and feed hold etc on it tho...
[09:40:05] <PetefromTn_Andro> Okay switching back to laptop now...burb.
[09:40:10] <PetefromTn_Andro> Brb
[09:40:16] <R2E4> I have that on my button control panel. cycle start, stop, pause resume
[09:41:37] <PetefromTn_> Power is finally back on.... Back to lathe turning...
[09:42:30] <R2E4> PetefromTn_: buy one of these, and make your own MPG.... http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=163
[09:44:06] <PetefromTn_> Actually I already have one on the machines pendant. I will probably just buy one of the USB chorded ones like you got but with some more buttons. I like the ones from VistaCNC but not sure if they work on linuxCNC...
[09:44:36] <R2E4> Mines not usb. I wired mine into 7i77 inputs\
[09:45:05] <PetefromTn_> nice.. no wonder you are runnning out of inputs LOL.
[09:47:12] <R2E4> Yeah, I input everything into the 7i77 and 7i84
[09:48:13] <PetefromTn_> Hey man that is what they are for right....
[09:49:06] <R2E4> yeah but i need more, so I would have to buy a rs422 mesa card that goes into computer, then add 7i84's.
[09:49:21] <R2E4> no big deal, thats what I will do when I run out
[09:52:39] <PetefromTn_> Right now I figure if I get that USB MPG I will have all sorts of functionality in there and then I can use the remainder of the Inputs and outputs for buttons and stuff on the machines pendant and I should be real good. Lots of options with Mesa. Really glad I went with it.
[09:54:54] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, I think there is support for some of those usb pendants
[09:57:17] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know I think there was a thread on the mailing list about it but I was not able to follow it too closely. The vista pendants look like nice units.
[09:59:13] <PetefromTn_> Gotta get this part turned and finished so I can mail it out today.... Guy wants it overnite LOL... Power outage was NOT in the plans.
[10:00:18] <R2E4> Yes, but i dont trust usb.
[10:00:29] <skunkworks> R2E4, I agree
[10:01:10] <R2E4> If I got one like that, I would modify the board, throw away the usb stuff and hardwire it in the mesa cards. I trust more the mesa cards than that usb BS
[10:01:35] <PetefromTn_> well it is mostly for setup and jogging around really..
[10:02:34] <R2E4> " Y axis, mover over there please, OH wait a mnute, usb wants to tell me something, holde on a sec Y." I dont want any of that...
[10:02:37] <PetefromTn_> I am basically running my machine right now with a USB keyboard and have never had any problems...
[10:03:24] <PetefromTn_> never noticed even the faintest of delays...
[10:04:46] <skunkworks> sure - I do too.. but I have had jogging not stop exactly when I let up on the key..
[10:05:12] <R2E4> Thats latency.
[10:05:14] <skunkworks> And I would not want to rely on an estop rhough usb
[10:06:02] <PetefromTn_> I don't rely on the USB estop I have a physical button mushroom big red estop...
[10:06:13] <PetefromTn_> Never had jogging continue on me ever...
[10:06:47] <R2E4> I have a friend that built a % X 10 router thats amazing. 35mm profiles rails and the works. then he told me he put an all in one touchscreen. Smoothstepper usb for controlling steppers, usb pendant, usb drivers and Mach3..... Imagind hahaha
[10:08:19] * archivist goes outside to be ill
[10:09:05] <zeeshan|2> archivist: get better
[10:09:12] <zeeshan|2> archivist: have you heard of peacock micrometers?
[10:09:18] <archivist> no
[10:09:41] <archivist> that sounds far eastern
[10:09:46] <pcw_home> for accurate peacock sizing?
[10:09:46] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/PEACOCK-0-300MM-OUTSIDE-MICROMETER-SET-01MM-GRADS-/251488243979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8dde110b
[10:09:52] <PetefromTn_> That is crazy and Mach3 bites...
[10:09:53] <zeeshan|2> its apparently made in japan
[10:10:01] <zeeshan|2> that looks like a nice set.
[10:10:11] <zeeshan|2> i always wanted some metric micrometers
[10:10:28] <zeeshan|2> and theyre bigger than what i have
[10:10:30] <zeeshan|2> my set goes to 6"
[10:10:39] <zeeshan|2> and then i have a random 12-13 micrometer
[10:12:18] <archivist> I have a replaceable jaw mic for large sizes but it stays in the box unused 99.99999% of the time
[10:12:19] <skunkworks> pcw_home, R2E4 was wondering if you can read analog into the 7i77?
[10:12:38] <skunkworks> I remember a discussion about it...
[10:13:06] <skunkworks> like you could set a mode that would allow 0-3v input..
[10:13:30] * skunkworks might be smoking again
[10:13:36] <R2E4> In the manual it says inputs can accept but only 8 biot resolution
[10:14:31] <PetefromTn_> They have one of those replaceable jaw large diameter mics at work and they use it all the time... It is a digital one.
[10:14:55] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is an import but they seem to trust it.
[10:15:11] <R2E4> BBIAB
[10:16:45] <gonzo___> could any of the hostmot gurus here tell me if there is a version that supports the 7i90 cards yet?
[10:34:48] <pcw_home> theres a branch that supports the 7I90
[10:36:51] <pcw_home> basically the only reason the 7I90 doesn't work with the existing 7I43 driver is that
[10:36:52] <pcw_home> the driver resets the card in preparation for downloading firmware even though no
[10:36:54] <pcw_home> firmware is specified on the config line
[10:39:04] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITUTOYO-6-12-0002-Digital-Outside-Micrometer-Set-No-204-138-Mint-Condition-/151216965966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23353bc94e
[10:39:05] <pcw_home> sometime post 2.6, the hm2_7i43 driver will be replaced by the generic hm2_epp driver which should work with any EPP HM2 card
[10:39:12] <PetefromTn_> They have an import version of this one...
[10:47:29] <archivist> zeeshan|2, I just found a 200 page micrometer book on the net COFES2012_MICROMETERS.pdf find here http://cofes.com/micrometers
[10:51:25] <zeeshan|2> very nice archivist
[11:06:06] <jdh> I'm fighting an ancient GE/Fanuc Series 6 PLC :(
[11:08:49] <pcw_home> Who is winning?
[11:09:07] <R2E4> Have you lasted a full round?
[11:10:38] <R2E4> pcw_home: is 8 bits enough resolution for speed input into ADC of 7i77 for the spindle?
[11:11:27] <jdh> so far, it is.
[11:12:06] <jdh> something is triggering a "DPU FAULT" which cycles it in/out of run/stop mode.
[11:12:35] <jdh> makes some funky noises when the outputs cycle on/off quickly.
[11:13:17] <cpresser> try hitting it with a wrench. that usually works
[11:13:31] <pcw_home> R2E4: what is the analog signal for?
[11:14:13] <pcw_home> for spindle speed a spindle encoder is better
[11:14:47] <pcw_home> the 7I77/7I84 analog-in might be OK for load monitor
[11:15:26] <Connor> anyone have a WORKING example of ORIENT ? Not the simulator version.. which is worthless as a example to use...
[11:15:36] <pcw_home> (which is not going to be very high res anyway)
[11:15:37] <R2E4> pcw_home: yes spindle speed. The old control had that input into the control and it used it for spindle speed, then the old control outputted it to the rpm meter.
[11:16:08] <R2E4> I have an output for load, and a hardware meter for that working.
[11:16:35] <pcw_home> it should work but it will be pretty low res, an encoder is much better
[11:17:32] <R2E4> How the spindle is, there is a housing on top of the servo that has the servo electric coolingfan, dont think I could fit another encoder on it.
[11:17:52] <R2E4> There is the pulse generator allready feeding the drive.
[11:18:16] <pcw_home> the analog inputs are 8 bit but thats full scale (36V) so 0 to 10v would only be 70 steps (~1.4% steps)
[11:18:40] <R2E4> Not enough for rigid tapping.
[11:19:06] <R2E4> Do you have an seperate board just for analog inputs highr res?
[11:19:09] <pcw_home> you need an encoder for rigid tapping
[11:19:30] <pcw_home> analog (or any resolution) wont help there
[11:19:38] <pcw_home> of any resolution
[11:20:10] <pcw_home> yes there is (7I87 8 channel 12 bit)
[11:20:38] <R2E4> ok, I'll look into fitting an encoder.
[11:20:53] <pcw_home> but I doubt if its worth while just for reading spindel speed which is better read from the spindle
[11:20:58] <pcw_home> encoder
[11:21:03] <gonzo___> pcw_home, thanks for the info peter. I'm still a way off needing to integrate, but will start to play on the bench when a compat version is avail
[11:21:26] <pcw_home> maybe you can tap onto the existing encoder
[11:21:47] <pcw_home> (well except it has no index)
[11:21:58] <R2E4> The pulse generator? That is where they are getting the analog out for spindle speed....lol
[11:22:38] <Connor> You need to orientate the spindle for toolchanger ?
[11:22:42] <Connor> R2E4: ?
[11:23:02] <R2E4> I have the orientation built into spindle drive and its working.
[11:23:20] <Connor> How is that working ?
[11:23:25] <R2E4> One contact closure and the spindle stops and positions itself.
[11:23:46] <Connor> That use the encoder and VFD ?
[11:24:07] <R2E4> no, it used a magnetic sensor on the spindle.
[11:24:27] <pcw_home> probably uses the encoder also
[11:24:42] <Connor> mag sensor is probably the index.
[11:25:11] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 My motor has a built in cooling fan up top there and you remove that to get to the end of the motor shaft which is where I am going to mount my encoder.
[11:25:14] <R2E4> Not sure, it doesnt say anytthing in the manual about using the encoder.
[11:25:51] <R2E4> yeah, I was waiting for you to finish yours before I try mine....lol
[11:25:55] <pcw_home> im sure its used for velocity feedback to the spindle control
[11:26:36] <PetefromTn_> Can't find my damn smaller allen wrenches from my set anywere.... PISSED!
[11:26:41] <Connor> Need to figure out the ORIENT component.. I was playing with it last night.. It's not working.
[11:26:45] <R2E4> pcw_home: So it uses it for velocity control, then uses the mag sensor to stop it in the right position?
[11:27:24] <pcw_home> probably
[11:28:15] <pcw_home> PetefromTn_: the small ones are the first to go...
[11:28:28] <R2E4> The mag sensor has to be counting also, it has 4 leg...... MSA, MSB, LSA and LSB
[11:29:18] <R2E4> i read further in the manual. FOr some reason I stopped studying the manual when i got it working...... and cutting...lol
[11:29:34] <pcw_home> may be some kind of resolver/absolute encoder
[11:31:17] <skunkworks_> why would a program when you 'type' it say it is hashed?
[11:31:38] <R2E4> I have an output when my spindle gets to speed from vcmd in.
[11:32:32] <pcw_home> type?
[11:32:53] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home Ain't it the truth...
[11:32:58] <skunkworks_> if you enter 'type mdadm'
[11:33:20] <skunkworks_> I was getting mdadm is hashed (/sbin/mdadm)
[11:33:32] <skunkworks_> and the command wasn't working correctly
[11:34:59] <pcw_home> i dont even know what type is
[11:35:32] <Connor> type returns the TYPE of the file.
[11:35:38] <skunkworks_> actually niether do !
[11:35:39] <Connor> on linux
[11:35:46] <pcw_home> i though that was file
[11:35:47] <cradek> I think that just means the shell is remembering where it is, so it doesn't have to search your whole path every time you want to run it
[11:36:03] <skunkworks_> huh.
[11:36:11] <skunkworks_> weird.
[11:36:52] <PetefromTn_> Grillin' some dogs fer lunch....
[11:36:56] <skunkworks_> I was trying to add a drive to the array (one failed) and the mdadm command would not return anything. No error, no dmesg, no nothing.
[11:36:58] <pcw_home> man type gets me caca_event
[11:37:06] <skunkworks_> the ssh connection to the server worked.
[11:38:02] <Connor> skunkworks_: what was you wanting to do ?
[11:38:15] <skunkworks_> the only thing is the terminal at the server was logged in for months... maybe it had gone wonkey
[11:38:20] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001dtJ0srBI
[11:38:54] <R2E4> type in term. type --t passwd and it returns the type of file it is.
[11:39:01] <skunkworks_> Connor: I was just trying to add a drive to rebuild a raid 5 array. (I got it working though the ssh connection to the server - it just wasn't working at the physical server)
[11:40:00] <R2E4> remove one -, type
[11:40:20] <pcw_home> sure doesnt work for me "file" is the normal file type command AFAIK
[11:41:15] <R2E4> [root@shammy ~]# type -t passwd
[11:41:15] <R2E4> file
[11:41:15] <R2E4> [root@shammy ~]#
[11:42:12] <PetefromTn_> Connor... sounds like orient is giving you a workout huh. I am working on a customers parts right now but I plan to try to cut that encoder mount this weekend.
[11:42:41] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yea.. No real good working examples of how to use it / config it in hal etc..
[11:43:30] <PetefromTn_> Sucks we are having to blaze trails all the time with this bitch huh...
[11:43:48] <Connor> PetefromTn_: It's no big deal.
[11:44:00] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I bet ANYTHING the VFD could do it too.
[11:44:40] <Connor> but, that would require the hardware solution for mixing together the index and 180 out sensor..
[11:44:57] <archivist> it would help if those that went before wrote up their trails/entrails
[11:45:21] <Jymmm> lol @ entrails
[11:45:56] <Connor> I plan on sharing the toolchanger config.. and probably the orient too.
[11:46:52] <R2E4> Install a mag or use hall sensor to detec the part of spindle, use it as an input, slow down the spindle and stop it at that point.
[11:53:52] <PetefromTn_> Connor Honestly I could care less whether the VFD or the computer does the orientation as long as it is safe and consistent
[12:03:01] <Deejay> namd
[12:08:09] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:10:57] <IchGuckLive> can someone of you that is always on overnight Europ time give eren_basturk a hint to the USB Gamepad controler VID in my youtubechanel Please
[12:11:19] <IchGuckLive> its now the 3rd night he is asking about
[12:12:03] <R2E4> He doesnt want to read. He wants a video to tell him how to do it.
[12:12:16] <IchGuckLive> its on
[12:12:52] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0nB1kCrGEc#
[12:15:40] <R2E4> I gave him that link the other night
[12:16:29] <R2E4> ah, maybe it was a different channel. I will if I see him
[12:17:50] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:18:22] <IchGuckLive> you can also tell him that im in europ and so only online Berlin time 19-20 or 7-8pm
[12:18:26] <R2E4> Whats he going to control? He has no hardware....
[12:18:53] <IchGuckLive> he uses the hal for a different prjekt
[12:18:59] <R2E4> ah
[13:06:38] <andypugh> I might not be a qualified machinist, but I don’t think this matches what I ordered, or what it says on the package: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IZMVw8-UN5bfPYBcQpYR5dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[13:08:25] <cradek> umm nope.
[13:09:11] <cradek> I doubt you got a good deal on it, either
[13:09:46] <cradek> maybe you have a friend with an electric guitar who has collets he doesn't need
[13:09:52] <andypugh> Part of a guitar, in fact. Serves me right for trying to buy CNC parts from an eBay sho called “aftermymusic”
[13:10:37] <cradek> they don't want you to leave them natural feedback
[13:11:04] <cradek> the feedback system has become so silly
[13:11:31] <andypugh> Anyone can make a mistake. I will judge them on how they handle it.
[13:11:43] <archivist> buyers can still leave "sensible" feedback
[13:12:06] <andypugh> Yes, eBay is terribly biased towards buyers.
[13:12:09] <pcw_home> supernatural feedback?
[13:12:50] <andypugh> Supernatural feednack sounds better than Unnatural feedback.
[13:13:26] <pcw_home> yes, that does sound a bit unsavory
[13:13:35] <andypugh> <Thinks of line to late> It’s for a guitar, perhaps that it the type of feedback they prefer?
[13:14:11] <pcw_home> just B natural
[13:16:02] <cradek> pcw_home: well that one fell flat
[13:16:23] <andypugh> He’s just too sharp for me.
[13:19:54] <pcw_home> I have a new Fanuc encoder to try to get working, unlike type I (with separate REQ and DATA) its 2 wires (half duplex)
[13:23:48] <andypugh> Why can’t Fanuc have a good idea and stick with it?
[13:24:32] <pcw_home> I think the new ones have motor data so the drive can configure iself
[13:25:01] <pcw_home> plus this one is 16M counts/turn
[13:26:02] <skunkworks> I once order expensive server drives from a ebay store and recieved a passenger side mirror
[13:26:09] <pcw_home> and 2.048 M baud instead of 1.024 so can be read more frequently
[13:26:27] <skunkworks> but you have to query it?
[13:26:29] <andypugh> skunkworks: It could have been a UK driver’s side one :-)
[13:26:36] <skunkworks> heh
[13:27:01] <pcw_home> one digit wrong in the warehouse shelf address?
[13:27:40] <skunkworks> no clue.. They straitend it out.. still order from them
[13:28:05] <pcw_home> yes absolute encoders typically are queried: "where are you now"
[13:29:50] <andypugh> “On the end of the motor, where are you”
[13:30:39] <skunkworks> got to play with this some more.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0ZpxsgxVs
[13:30:40] <pcw_home> :-)
[13:30:42] <andypugh> I just hope that the vendor hasn’t had an off-by-one error for the last 8 days…
[13:31:14] <skunkworks> the z axis losing potion was the drive suprisingly.. (not our wiring.)
[13:31:19] <skunkworks> position
[13:32:35] <andypugh> Needs a spindle and some tooling board
[13:33:28] <skunkworks> yes - I think it may get a rotozip initally
[13:33:46] <skunkworks> the spec for the machine says 0 - 20ipm...
[13:34:00] <skunkworks> that is around 130ipm..
[13:34:47] <skunkworks> the spindle that came with it is a 1mt
[13:35:01] <skunkworks> 2400rpm or something like that.
[13:35:07] <skunkworks> 180w
[13:35:22] <pcw_home> probably 20 IPM with rather poor step drives
[13:35:29] <skunkworks> sure
[13:35:42] <skunkworks> sold in the late 70s-early 80s
[13:36:08] <skunkworks> nice mae stepper motors though.. I have seen the same machine with slo-syns
[13:38:19] <andypugh> Do you have the spindle part?
[13:38:45] <archivist> has anyone spotted the deliberate error :)
[13:39:02] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/emco/terco.JPG
[13:39:04] <skunkworks> andypugh, yes
[13:39:29] <skunkworks> archivist: someone on homeshopmachinist did...
[13:39:33] <skunkworks> Y is also..
[13:39:45] <skunkworks> but that is harder to see
[13:39:48] <archivist> :)
[13:40:01] <archivist> I did not spot the Y
[13:40:12] <andypugh> That does look like a spindle not worth keeping. :-)
[13:40:36] <skunkworks> it probably work for some definition of work
[13:40:39] <andypugh> Maybe a cheap Chinese air-cooled spindle in its future?
[13:41:09] <andypugh> It could do second-op jobs on K&T pallets :-)
[13:41:11] <skunkworks> with quck change tooling! Then a tool changer...
[13:41:23] <skunkworks> andypugh, heh - neat idea
[13:44:51] <R2E4> Anybody know about seimen drives and controls?
[13:45:37] <R2E4> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tree-VMC-840-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-3-Axis-Milling-Machine-/321166655199?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item4ac7063edf&_uhb=1
[13:46:20] <andypugh> I think JT-Shop has Siemens drives
[13:47:00] <R2E4> That looks like a pefect machine fpr retrofit
[13:47:21] <_methods> watch those ways
[13:47:34] <_methods> hard to tell from the pics
[13:47:41] <_methods> but i'd take a close look at them
[13:47:46] <R2E4> I'm not touching it, just looking...:-)
[13:48:09] <_methods> i used to run some cincinnatis that looked just like that
[13:49:32] <_methods> arrows?
[13:49:45] <_methods> can't remember i tried to stay off them
[13:50:46] <_methods> they had that whacky ass siemens controller on them
[13:55:05] <Connor> andypugh: Have you used the ORIENT component yet ?
[13:55:13] <Connor> Looking for a good WORKING example of it...
[13:55:27] <Connor> this sim example is worthless...
[14:27:11] <humble_sea_bass> Captain, no I've never been to ye' old 3d printing circle jerk, but I have cringed and clenched my but cheeks when I see buses announcing it, and there were crazy billboards for it at the javits center when I was there for the AHR (HVAC) expo
[14:27:36] <humble_sea_bass> CaptHindsight:
[14:28:19] <humble_sea_bass> oddly enough there was a bus with ads for both the 3d printing convention and a bitcoin seminar
[14:36:41] <XXCoder2> new idea: bitcoin mining 3d printer machine :P
[14:37:52] <humble_sea_bass> use hashers to heat the printing table
[14:37:54] <humble_sea_bass> what what what
[14:38:05] <humble_sea_bass> we are gonna be rich
[14:38:58] <pcw_home> sounds like a song
[14:39:55] <humble_sea_bass> you can call me Em Sea Bass
[14:40:14] <pcw_home> :-)
[15:44:25] <CptMemleakShop> what are other easy-ish applications to use to covert images, bitmaps and vector art to g-code besides inkscape?
[15:45:00] <R2E4> vectormagic
[15:53:55] <andypugh> Connor: No, I haven’t tried it. I think it only solves part of the puzzle.
[16:08:01] <PetefromTn_> Well got the stuff mailed off now back to the shop here... Also managed to get some screws and stuff I needed at Ye olde Hardware store...
[16:09:29] <PetefromTn_> Broke my damn deburring tool and need to order another one....
[16:09:52] <PetefromTn_> Anyone got one of these? Looking for feedback. Other than fleabay feedback.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHAVIV-29255-Bonus-Pack-Deburring-Tool-Kit-WITH-10-B10S-BLADES-155-00183-/360894344492?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5406faad2c
[16:10:22] <R2E4> I have one, not that make but I do have one. It is blue
[16:11:32] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I have one too but the damn little tiny ball that holds the cutter inside it went flying somewhere and it was a piece of shit anyways.. The guys at work use these brand of cutters but not sure of the handle....
[16:12:12] <PetefromTn_> Damn things are pretty dangerous but necessary LOL...
[16:15:56] <Connor> andypugh: Yea.. Wish I could find someone who's got it working...
[16:16:05] <PetefromTn_> I would just turn one on the lathe but I lost the little ball bearing that holds the cutter in there. One of the guys in the shop has a bunch of hand turned deburring tools with beautiful aluminum handles.
[16:17:22] <PetefromTn_> He has got three with different sized MA ford champfering cutters stuck in them, one with a triangle deburring knife, and one with the rotary style deubrring knife like these... Dunno if he machned the whole thing or just inserted a deburring body into that nice turned handle..
[16:19:51] <andypugh> I like the spinny ones. Mine has adjustable length (I never have). That eBay price isn’t exactly a bargain. https://www.cromwell.co.uk/publication_page_pdfs/1705/234.pdf
[16:20:26] <andypugh> Connor: You need to also have a mux2 to switch the spindle from velocity command to pid command, that’s the main thing missing from the docs.
[16:21:05] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I like them too but you can easily cut the shit out of yourself with them if you are not careful.
[16:21:14] <andypugh> I probably won’t have the time to experiment this weekend, but you never know
[16:21:52] <PetefromTn_> Usually when you are cutting steel and pulling it out of a corner and slip off. Notice the picture in that ad the guy is wearing some gloves LOL...
[16:23:35] <PetefromTn_> http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/003503/3503994.jpg Wonder if Loetmichel can get me one of these babies for cheap from Hammerli I think they are german maybe...
[16:24:16] <Cylly> no idea
[16:24:37] <Loetmichel> whre to get that
[16:24:51] <PetefromTn_> LOL was just kidding man..
[16:24:59] <Connor> andypugh: I'll look into that, just sent a email to the list asking for help on it.
[16:25:00] <Loetmichel> and no idea if its possible to send "weapons" by mail ;-)
[16:25:05] <PetefromTn_> Yeah they are made by Hammerli and distributed by Umarex...
[16:25:24] <PetefromTn_> Weapon? What Weapon? It's a BB gun...hehe
[16:25:37] <Loetmichel> thats why i wrote ""
[16:25:46] <Loetmichel> btw: in germany that IS a weapon
[16:25:55] <Loetmichel> as is a leatherman wave ;-)
[16:25:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know that must suck for you guys..
[16:26:02] <Loetmichel> (by law)
[16:26:12] <PetefromTn_> A leathermen is probably more dangerous..
[16:26:22] <PetefromTn_> I pinched a finger in one once ;)
[16:26:49] <Loetmichel> leatherman wave is defined a weapon because it has a locking blade and can be opened with one hand
[16:27:11] <PetefromTn_> I just recently read a story on an airgun forum where a guy took his precision airgun to the range and was shooting.
[16:27:20] <PetefromTn_> A guy walks up and starts asking about his BB gun.
[16:27:43] <PetefromTn_> He starts chatting back telling him what he does with it IE shooting targets and hunting small game.
[16:27:56] <PetefromTn_> The guy says HUNTING??!! with that toy?
[16:28:04] <PetefromTn_> You could not kill a fly with that thing..
[16:28:18] <PetefromTn_> He continues shooting and tries to ignore the guy.
[16:28:23] <Loetmichel> i would not say that
[16:28:24] <PetefromTn_> But the guy does not go
[16:28:29] <PetefromTn_> away
[16:28:40] <PetefromTn_> Finally the guy asks him if he can try it..
[16:28:49] <PetefromTn_> So he nicely hands him the airgun.
[16:29:04] <Loetmichel> i know airguns that can penetrate 20mm plywood
[16:29:08] <PetefromTn_> and the idiot proceeds to cock it, load a pellet, and aim it at his big texas boot.
[16:29:10] <Loetmichel> wouldn cal that "not dangerous"
[16:29:17] <Loetmichel> HARHAR
[16:29:19] <PetefromTn_> Pulls the trigger
[16:29:28] <PetefromTn_> and winds up in the hospital...
[16:29:40] <OldMrHindsight> good for him
[16:29:43] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:29:46] <Loetmichel> that was to expect
[16:29:48] <PetefromTn_> I thought it was a humorous story..
[16:30:08] <OldMrHindsight> some people only learn the hard way
[16:30:15] <Deejay> gn8
[16:30:34] <PetefromTn_> GN8 DEEJAY!!!!
[16:30:46] * Loetmichel has seen how a soldier made a tumb thick hole in the hull of our ship
[16:31:14] <PetefromTn_> That would suck..
[16:31:34] <PetefromTn_> I spent two years living aboard the US Coast Guard Cutter Steadfast
[16:31:38] <Loetmichel> he was on guard, changed with the gy in the earlier watch
[16:31:52] <PetefromTn_> actually 2 years six months.
[16:32:22] <Loetmichel> cocked the G3, looked in the barrel (empty) aimed at the water, pulled the trigger....
[16:32:33] <Loetmichel> just forgot to remove the magazine ;-)
[16:32:38] <Loetmichel> *BANG*
[16:32:41] <Loetmichel> hole in the hull
[16:32:54] <Loetmichel> since then we had a box of sand at the post
[16:32:56] <PetefromTn_> Jeez what a jackass..
[16:33:41] <OldMrHindsight> sounds like likely law enforcement candidate
[16:33:41] <PetefromTn_> I remember one time when I met my wife we were dating...
[16:33:52] <PetefromTn_> I told her I would take her on a nice picnic in the country.
[16:33:57] <Loetmichel> pete, at that time we had 15 months mandatory military service for every male over 18
[16:33:58] <PetefromTn_> I took with us my pellet pistol..
[16:34:12] <PetefromTn_> no kidding huh..
[16:34:20] <Loetmichel> the mandatory soldiers were "less than optimal motivated" if you know what i mean
[16:34:32] <PetefromTn_> we had our little picnic and went for a walk in the trees..
[16:34:41] <OldMrHindsight> Loetmichel: is mandatory service no longer in effect there?
[16:34:52] <PetefromTn_> I spotted a squirrel I wanted to try to shoot. I told her to stay behind me...
[16:34:57] <Loetmichel> OldMrHindsight: ceased iirc 2011
[16:35:02] <PetefromTn_> I aimed at the squirrel and fired..
[16:35:13] <PetefromTn_> I heard a snap and a WHIIZZZZzZ.
[16:35:31] <PetefromTn_> then I heard my soon to be wife yell...OOOOOWWWwww
[16:35:57] <PetefromTn_> The pellet missed the squirrel, hit the tree and ricocheted off it and hit her right in the thigh...
[16:36:04] <Loetmichel> ouch
[16:36:07] <PetefromTn_> left a nasty welt..LOL
[16:36:16] <Connor> She wearing shorts?
[16:36:23] <PetefromTn_> We laugh about it now but at the time I thought I would never see her again..
[16:36:23] <Connor> best to wear blue jeans! :)
[16:36:35] <OldMrHindsight> also when cooking bacon
[16:36:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah she was wearing blue jeans it was kinda chilly out.
[16:36:53] <Connor> If you ever meet my wife... ask her about me hitting her hand with a sledge hammer.
[16:36:58] <Loetmichel> OldMrHindsight: or when stick welding ;-)
[16:37:02] <Connor> I STILL haven't lived that one down.
[16:37:14] <OldMrHindsight> Loetmichel: yes another good suggestion :)
[16:37:17] <PetefromTn_> LOL I got a sweater full of holes from stick welding..
[16:37:33] <PetefromTn_> Damn a SLEDGE hammer..?
[16:37:55] <Loetmichel> OldMrHindsight: we had laughed our ass off: a friend in shirts and no shirt "just wanted to do 2 small welds"
[16:38:04] <Connor> Yes. a SLEDGE hammer.
[16:38:18] <Loetmichel> ... sitting crosslegged
[16:38:35] <PetefromTn_> One time I was working with a crew of people that were trying to take down a large porch off the side of a house in Florida.
[16:38:41] <OldMrHindsight> Loetmichel: I've gotten UV burns from just a few tack welds without a shield
[16:38:46] <Loetmichel> he stood up after about 10 minutes and looked like these 20s batiung suits ;-)
[16:38:52] <Loetmichel> bathing
[16:38:56] <PetefromTn_> I grabbed that big sledge hammer and started wailing on the supports.
[16:39:15] <Loetmichel> every fat ring was white and the skin beween that was bright red ;-)
[16:39:16] <PetefromTn_> I hit a short 4x4 one with the sledge..
[16:39:40] <PetefromTn_> It went flying up in an arc because of a single nail holding the top in.
[16:39:58] <OldMrHindsight> like he was lying on a big barbecue grill
[16:40:10] <PetefromTn_> It went up and the nail let go and the 4x4 made a nice twist with a flip in the air and hit me right on top of the head..LOL
[16:40:12] <Loetmichel> OldMrHindsight: right ;-)
[16:40:27] <PetefromTn_> Nothing worse then weld burn...
[16:40:51] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: i teared a double brich interior warll at my dads once with a sledge hammer
[16:41:05] <Loetmichel> i asked him "is that a load bearing wall?"
[16:41:24] <Loetmichel> dat: "no, the architect says tehre are no inner load bearing walls here"
[16:41:26] <Loetmichel> dad
[16:41:32] <Loetmichel> so i got to worl
[16:41:34] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:41:51] <Loetmichel> after a few minuts i had teared down 2 meters of wall
[16:42:04] <Loetmichel> and the ceiling develops the first cracks...
[16:42:06] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:42:12] <Connor> Ouch
[16:42:15] <PetefromTn_> That is an OH shit moment...
[16:42:17] <Loetmichel> from there it got hectic
[16:42:47] <andypugh> Loetmichel: In the UK a “bladed weapon” is anything sharp at all that a policeman thinks you are carrying as a weapon. And if it goes to court then the Magistrate has no choice but to send you to gaol. Which _really_ annoys my magistrate friends..
[16:44:35] <Jymmm> andypugh: That is the most fucked up law I've heard so far.
[16:44:39] <Loetmichel> andypugh: i can remember times when i had a leatherman, a butterfly knife, some spanners and stuff on the belt all the day
[16:44:58] <Loetmichel> that was decades before 9/11 though ;-)
[16:45:10] <PetefromTn_> I am never without my pocket knife with a razor blade in it..
[16:45:10] <Loetmichel> and a maglite
[16:45:41] <Loetmichel> now its just the phone, the wave and some e-cigs ;-)
[16:45:42] <PetefromTn_> I guess I would be a heavy felon over there LOL...
[16:46:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14757 <. left
[16:46:14] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13537 <- right ;-)
[16:46:39] <PetefromTn_> Hey man what is that hanging over your belt? hehe
[16:46:49] <Loetmichel> fat ;-)
[16:47:04] <PetefromTn_> chuckle chuckle..snicker snicker..
[16:47:13] <Loetmichel> <- 108kg, 180cm ;)
[16:47:36] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE
[16:47:37] <Loetmichel> but STILL in better shape than ALL of my co-workers ;-)
[16:48:03] <Connor> I'm 5'10' and around 210 to 215lbs
[16:48:08] <PetefromTn_> Hey man I am probably right with ya...
[16:48:30] <PetefromTn_> I'm 5, 11 1/2 and 225..
[16:48:41] <Connor> 38 years old, and type II diabetic. :(
[16:48:52] <PetefromTn_> No shit you are diabetic.... that sucks.
[16:49:06] <Connor> yea. I thought you knew that..
[16:49:32] <PetefromTn_> nope... We spend time together man but not that much yet LOL.
[16:49:54] <Connor> also have raynaud’s syndrome
[16:50:06] <Loetmichel> i had another of these moments today.
[16:50:13] <Connor> I'm pretty sure I mentioned it.. probably got lost in all the CNC talk.. :)
[16:50:19] <XXCoder2> Loet heh my friend once acciently bought in 2 cutters. He had 3 in his work bag and went in airplane area. dumb
[16:50:29] <PetefromTn_> I just mailed out those scope wheels I sold today and working on those scope rails tomorrow..
[16:50:33] <XXCoder2> it was post 9/11
[16:50:42] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Great
[16:50:45] <PetefromTn_> got a nice new dovetail cutter from a friend at work.
[16:50:58] <PetefromTn_> I have assholes syndrome.
[16:51:08] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yes.. Yes you do..
[16:51:09] <Loetmichel> my 10 years younger and MUCH better looking co-worker came and said: "loeti, please help me carrying this printer into the measurement chamber, i cant lift it"
[16:51:22] <Loetmichel> ... i stod up, got it and carried it into the cahmber
[16:51:22] <PetefromTn_> :D
[16:51:25] <Loetmichel> chamber
[16:51:30] <Loetmichel> bigs exes from him
[16:52:05] <Connor> What's crazy is... I'm considered in WORSE health than my wife who has Fibromyalgia .. But, I'm in better working order than she is...
[16:52:11] <Loetmichel> points at the sing on the packaging: "63,kg" and a symbol showing four people carring it ;-)
[16:52:20] <PetefromTn_> Loetmichel Just tell him you may be short and pudgy but you have MAN strength LOL..
[16:53:03] <Loetmichel> eyes, sign ;-)
[16:53:09] <Loetmichel> i am not short
[16:53:31] <Loetmichel> the only one higher than me is my boss with 195cm ;-)
[16:53:40] <Loetmichel> at the company
[16:53:50] <PetefromTn_> Oops sorry man...
[16:54:09] <Connor> Must have been the metric to imperial conversion... :)
[16:54:19] <Connor> PetefromTn_: That gets you every time! :)
[16:54:59] <XXCoder2> In least you didn't get french treatment lol
[16:55:07] <Loetmichel> but instad of my co-workers who are masters in EE and stuff i have worked 10++ years as a stage rental roadie ;-)
[16:55:30] <XXCoder2> Napleon was actually pretty tall for his era, but french feet and inches was different, longer.
[16:56:10] <PetefromTn_> yup gets me every time...
[16:56:12] <Loetmichel> and as a brick layer and as a roof builder and stuff ;-)
[16:56:55] <Loetmichel> so belwo that fat tere are actuyl muscles at work
[16:56:58] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:57:00] <Loetmichel> below
[16:57:18] <Loetmichel> where the co-workers have just jelly ;-)
[16:57:40] <PetefromTn_> LOL sorry man you are all man in my book....hehe
[16:57:49] <Loetmichel> harhar
[16:59:23] <Loetmichel> i just think its strange how they get by thit that spars power in the bones ;-)
[16:59:43] <Loetmichel> i dont think i am a "powerpack"
[16:59:50] <Loetmichel> i just tink i am average...
[16:59:58] <Loetmichel> which makes my co-workers wimps ;-)
[17:01:02] <Loetmichel> ah, bac to topic: you've seen the rotational axis on my chinese router?
[17:01:20] <Loetmichel> the milled thrad fits perfectly ;)
[17:01:37] <Loetmichel> (milled with a 30° engraving bit)
[17:01:39] <PetefromTn_> No have not seen it... Do tell...
[17:01:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14820
[17:02:58] <PetefromTn_> Hey that looks pretty sweet man...What kinda indexer is that?
[17:03:48] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a gear reduction unit..
[17:05:52] <Loetmichel> it seems to be a simple snake gear with a mounted chuck
[17:06:13] <Loetmichel> ... and the "(&$("§&$ Chinses made the gantry 12mm to low...
[17:06:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14811 <- doesnt fit
[17:07:04] <XXCoder2> so it hits chuck?
[17:07:13] <Loetmichel> so i had to mill two extensions for the gantry per side out of 8mm aluminium
[17:07:37] <Loetmichel> yeah, the Ballscrew nut hits the chuck
[17:07:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14817 <- NOW it fits ;-)
[17:08:08] <XXCoder2> :)
[17:10:15] <PetefromTn_> Looks good man. Apparently it is relativley rigid if you are threading aluminum on it....Nice work dude.
[17:11:04] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: went careful
[17:11:17] <Loetmichel> milled it in 0,2mm depth steps ;-)
[17:12:59] <PetefromTn_> No kidding that musta taken awhile LOL...
[17:13:21] <Loetmichel> 10 minutes or so
[17:13:40] <Loetmichel> thats a 30mm long M16 thread
[17:14:05] <Loetmichel> and an 8 faced head if anyone wonders ;-)
[17:15:19] <Connor_iPad> Worm gear. Not snake gear.
[17:17:30] <Connor_iPad> Why 8 faced?
[17:17:49] <PetefromTn_> better than 2 faced...?
[17:18:25] <PetefromTn_> Man I got a bunch of old computer junk I need to get rid of....
[17:22:06] <Loetmichel> Connor_iPad: i first wante to knurl it
[17:22:37] <Loetmichel> but then thought that it may be hard to remove by hand when screwed in tight
[17:23:10] <Loetmichel> and an eight faced head can be driven comfortably by hand AND still can be driven with a 19mm spanner
[17:24:04] <Loetmichel> the "screw" is drilled holow now and holds a 12mm power button
[17:24:17] <andypugh> I carried 75kg of lathe bed from the garage to the house. I cheated and used a strap though. I still felt lighter than air for several minutes afterwards. The two steps were the hard part.
[17:24:24] <Loetmichel> and sits inside this rear wall to press the power button inside:
[17:24:49] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14769&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:25:06] <andypugh> But, I used to be able to carry my 100kg RobotWars robot up a full flight of stairs. So I must be getting old :-(
[17:25:55] <PetefromTn_> Looks very clean and James Bond..
[17:26:22] <Loetmichel> andypugh: its the "getting used to" part that makes you ignoring weight
[17:26:33] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: that was on the mark.
[17:26:43] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[17:26:45] <Loetmichel> its a case against eavesdropping
[17:26:52] <andypugh> “We are such things as dreams are made of”-proof ?
[17:26:55] <Loetmichel> for a crypto device ;-)
[17:27:48] <Loetmichel> andypugh: dont understand that qoute
[17:28:25] <andypugh> Sorry, it is 4 clicks in Wikipedia from the quote to the shielding :-)
[17:29:01] <andypugh> It’s a quote from “The Tempest” by Shakespear.
[17:29:46] <Loetmichel> ah, now i understand
[17:29:47] <Loetmichel> rgiht
[17:29:57] <Loetmichel> right, tempest proof
[17:30:50] <Loetmichel> will be certified to sdip 27 level A
[17:31:03] <andypugh> The Peter Greenaway version (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospero%27s_Books ) is pretty special, and not only for the enormous numbers of nude people in it.
[17:31:12] <Loetmichel> (we have the tech and the allowance to do the certification in house)
[17:35:04] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfUdU_g92Jg QUite an amazing robot arm here...
[17:39:17] <andypugh> That is a big one, isn’t it?
[17:40:03] <Loetmichel> quite big
[17:40:48] <Loetmichel> i have mounted a sligthly smaller that could lift 100kg at the "wrist" and additional 250kg at the "elbow"
[17:41:14] <andypugh> Interesting linked video, of the Pier burning down some years earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJjoFCz0pos
[17:42:16] <XXCoder2> nice one pete
[17:44:26] <XXCoder2> Yummy https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/6418_757455910944698_448033628_n.jpg
[17:45:12] <PetefromTn_> That is one BIG servo motor on that elbow of that robot arm... Wonder what size it is...
[17:45:28] <XXCoder2> thinking of making your own? heh
[17:47:27] <PetefromTn_> Would not know how to begin to program it...
[17:47:57] <PetefromTn_> My luck I would get in and go for a ride and it would smash me into the ground and try to bury me down to china LOL...
[17:48:09] <XXCoder2> lol
[17:48:22] <XXCoder2> I'm pretty sure theres standard arm program packages
[17:48:32] <XXCoder2> you just need to program axis motions
[17:49:18] <XXCoder2> then ride it at 10% speed for safety with stop button
[17:49:21] <PetefromTn_> Oh I am sure.. Probably a learn feature where you control axis manually and then can recreate it making adjustments afterwards etc..
[17:50:27] <PetefromTn_> Incredible how strong that thing must be.. Like a solid rock arm of steel with the strength of superman. Could really make a mess of you if something went wrong.
[17:51:27] <PetefromTn_> Yet could probably place something incredibly delicately into position within a thousandth of an inch or so.....
[17:51:40] <XXCoder2> gonna love science and engineering eh
[17:51:48] <uw> HALO
[17:52:18] <PetefromTn_> Is that a greeting or a reference to the video game hehe
[17:54:21] <XXCoder2> woot ksp live stream is on
[17:54:30] <XXCoder2> http://www.twitch.tv/ksptv
[17:54:32] <PetefromTn_> ksp?
[17:56:02] <OldMrHindsight> what G-code command have people been using to control their glue gun extruder motors?
[17:56:14] <XXCoder2> kerbal space program
[17:56:52] <XXCoder2> in live stream someones making astroid pusher
[17:57:26] <PetefromTn_> Fantasy?
[17:57:41] <XXCoder2> its a game
[17:58:40] <PetefromTn_> ah
[18:00:50] <XXCoder2> blew up on pad lol
[18:01:26] <PetefromTn_> Gonna go out after dinner and play with the MIll...
[18:01:46] <PetefromTn_> Gotta eat my fried shrimp and clams first with chips...
[18:02:33] <PetefromTn_> Was looking for that delrin chunk earlier in my scrap metal bins. Amazing how much junk is in there from over 20 years of making stuff....
[18:02:45] <XXCoder2> I bet
[18:03:45] <PetefromTn_> Lots of material good for smaller parts and lots of screwed up parts that were just tossed after a broken tap or bad mill or lathe operation made the part scrap metal LOL....
[18:04:17] <XXCoder2> if its alum you could always melt em into slabs then mill it flat surfaces agin
[18:06:16] <PetefromTn_> Lots of aluminum but I am not gonna melt anything I just keep it in a box and dig thru it when I need a small piece. like today.
[18:06:39] <XXCoder2> do you keep the "dust" alum?
[18:07:04] <PetefromTn_> dust?
[18:07:15] <PetefromTn_> you mean swarf?
[18:07:30] <XXCoder2> looked up
[18:07:31] <XXCoder2> yep
[18:14:02] <PetefromTn_> I try to bag it up and recycle it...
[18:14:08] <XXCoder2> cool
[19:28:37] <R2E4> evenin
[19:28:50] <XXCoder> yo
[19:49:11] <uw> whats that german company that makes quality vices
[19:52:28] <andypugh> I would be surprised if any German company made rubbish vices.
[19:55:31] <uw> possibly
[19:55:40] <uw> but heuer was the company i was thinking of
[19:56:15] <Tom_itx> similar to Kurt?
[19:56:31] <uw> i just wanted to reconfirm that they are still out of my budget for every project i could ever think of
[19:56:36] <andypugh> Kurt is over-priced
[19:56:50] <andypugh> uw Look for an Abwood on eBay?
[19:56:56] <uw> lol if you think Kurt is overpriced check out heuer
[19:57:15] <uw> but similar if not equal to quality of kurt Tom_itx i'd say
[19:57:22] <uw> andypugh, i will check them out
[19:57:54] <uw> good quality used vices pop up in flea markets here from tiem to time
[19:58:03] <uw> back from US's golden days
[20:02:08] <uw> here's the old vice btw http://i.imgur.com/dpwPD7e.jpg
[20:02:14] <uw> "irwin" was the company
[20:03:38] <archivist> that looks a bad design as cast is weak in tension
[20:05:28] <archivist> I broke a lidl vice, not all german vices are good :)
[20:06:26] <andypugh> Irwin bought out Record. Record do make some very good bench vices, but some junk too.
[20:07:20] <archivist> I am thinking irwin are using chinese import stuff too
[20:07:38] <uw> that's what i would guess too
[20:07:57] <andypugh> Given the prices od the Engineer’s vices you have to assume they are not junk: https://www.cromwell.co.uk/publication_page_pdfs/1705/813.pdf
[20:08:08] <archivist> I have an old pre irwin record that bends, and a reasonable record vice
[20:09:33] <archivist> I noticed some Eclipse branded ones in the local cheap tool place recently
[20:10:32] <archivist> http://www.twwholesale.co.uk/search.php?search=vice&x=0&y=0
[20:11:50] <andypugh> Eclipse, Record and Britool seem to have not been able to decide which end of the market to position themselves. (In fact, what the heck are Britool doing making vices?)
[20:12:49] <andypugh> On that page the Britol is the only steel one.
[20:13:30] <andypugh> (apart from the other one)
[20:14:34] <archivist> Eclipse used to be part of Neill which now apperas to be part of Spear & Jackson....
[20:15:38] <archivist> I wonder who owns what badge and what they stick the badges on
[20:18:30] <archivist> http://www.britool-expert.co.uk/about/
[20:22:44] <uw> i cant decide how to say that company name
[20:22:53] <uw> bri-tool or brit-ool
[20:23:06] <archivist> brit-ool
[20:23:27] <Tom_itx> and where might you be from?
[20:23:32] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:23:33] <uw> i was thinking it was like "bristool" (like bristol) but theres no s
[20:23:44] <uw> nj lol
[20:24:07] <uw> i think bristool would be a good name for a tool co from bristol
[20:25:09] <andypugh> I like “KIng Dick” Spanners
[20:25:21] <uw> lolwut
[20:25:45] <CptMemleakShop> unexpected real time delay with the program stopped? (not in E-Stop) any ideas what would cause that?
[20:25:55] <andypugh> http://www.kingdicktools.co.uk
[20:26:30] <uw> lol ok fair enough i would buy king dick tools too
[20:26:42] <archivist> I have a few King Dick adjustables
[20:26:51] <andypugh> Founded in 1856. It probably sounded less strange then
[20:27:02] <XXCoder> lol
[20:27:08] <XXCoder> theres always weird stuff
[20:27:12] <XXCoder> spotted dick :P
[20:27:14] <XXCoder> you eat it
[20:27:18] <archivist> it was not kalled king dick till much later
[20:27:23] <archivist> called
[20:27:24] <andypugh> I do, it’s lovely.
[20:27:41] <XXCoder> I havent tried, it cant be found in usa lol
[20:27:41] <andypugh> Nice as a pudding after a meal of faggots
[20:27:50] <uw> it's funny cause you'd think it would be wise to stay away from spotted dick
[20:28:08] <archivist> Abingdon is the original name later Abingdon King Dick
[20:28:20] <XXCoder> you then smoke fags :P
[20:28:59] <andypugh> archivist: http://www.kingdicktools.co.uk/frm/frm_hist.htm seems to suggest that Abingdon used the King Dick brand from the beginning.
[20:29:28] <uw> i wonder how the us got the other connotation for fags and faggots
[20:29:38] <XXCoder> no idea
[20:30:20] <archivist> from the beginning of the 20th century if you reread
[20:33:54] <andypugh> In ye olden days schools in the UK were private, you had to belong to the house, monastary, manor. Then Public Schools were invented, which anyone could attend, as long as they paid the fee. Some time later state-funded schooling wasn invented. So, in the UK Public Schools are schools for the rich elite, and State Schools are the public schools.
[20:34:16] <archivist> with conflicting information on http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Abingdon_King_Dick
[20:35:20] <andypugh> Anyway, the Public Schools (apparently) had a “fag system” where younger boys (they were all boys) had to act as servants to the older boys. Given the lack of options, perhaps the “fags” had to perform other functions?
[20:37:28] <PetefromTn_Andro> Damn I ate dinner and now I am tired as hell....
[20:37:55] <andypugh> archivist: Either somone is confused, or there were two King Dick companies that mereged
[20:38:08] <andypugh> PetefromTn_Andro: Fagged out?
[20:38:39] <PetefromTn_Andro> HUH??? What're you call me man LOL
[20:39:12] <PetefromTn_Andro> King Dick should be my company name hehe
[20:40:23] <archivist> andypugh, I suspect someone is confused and the oldest ref I can see is The Engineer 24/2/1888 P162
[20:40:48] <PetefromTn_Andro> My bench vise is a Chinese POS...
[20:41:13] <XXCoder> heh I have one vice thats ancient
[20:41:20] <PetefromTn_Andro> But it works and I beat on it regularly..
[20:41:23] <XXCoder> come from my dad collection. tiny though
[20:45:59] <archivist> andypugh, and that ref is for the Abingdon Works Co, bicycle chain no mention of king dick
[20:46:26] <andypugh> OK
[20:47:04] <archivist> nearly all the engineer is on Graces guide
[20:47:42] <PetefromTn_Andro> Gn8
[21:10:15] <tjtr33> archivist, http://cofes.com/Portals/0/COFES_2012/COFES2012_MICROMETERS.pdf
[21:21:11] <skunkworks> throw back friday? http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/cncworkshopemc.jpg
[22:13:49] <tjtr33> this maybe useful for removing old paint on a machine
[22:13:54] <tjtr33> http://www.harborfreight.com/compact-air-needle-scaler-96997.html
[22:13:55] <tjtr33> i just removed 100 yrs of old paint of a radiator with the small model.
[22:14:25] <XXCoder> harbor is great for low quality but good enough tools.
[22:14:40] <XXCoder> how does it work anyway
[22:15:08] <CptMemleakShop> tjtr33, how slow a base thread have you ever run with steppers?
[22:18:48] <tjtr33> how slow? 100000 so, no record breaker here. but i've run a lot faster trying to make an edm oscillator ( till i discovered the granularity of threads )
[22:19:10] <tjtr33> what are you doing with a slow base thread?
[22:20:01] <tjtr33> XXCoder about 20 minutes for 1 side of a 13 panel , 5 tube cast iron radiator, dead clean, but peened
[22:20:26] <CptMemleakShop> tjtr33, working with 64 bit preempt_rt
[22:20:30] <XXCoder> no no how does it strip crap off stuff?
[22:20:44] <CptMemleakShop> <50k on the latency test
[22:21:01] <tjtr33> XXCoder it peens it off, like tapping it with a tiny hammer, and it works great
[22:21:09] <XXCoder> ahh cool
[22:21:21] <XXCoder> so it dont need some agent like sand
[22:21:30] <XXCoder> or walnuts
[22:21:58] <tjtr33> CptMemleakShop, <50k sounds crappy , isnt it? I thought 30K latency was marginal for steppers
[22:22:17] <CptMemleakShop> this is a slow machine
[22:22:17] <zeeshan|2> announcement
[22:22:24] <zeeshan|2> second epic tool haul today
[22:22:36] <zeeshan|2> finallyim getting close to having the tools i need on a regular basis
[22:22:56] <zeeshan|2> and tools i _should_ have which i dont know about!
[22:23:07] <tjtr33> XXCoder no, its a handfull of hardened rods captive (loose but contained) on end of an air vibrator
[22:23:35] <XXCoder> yea. definitely cool. if I ever need it I'll keep it in mind
[22:24:24] <tjtr33> CptMemleakShop, is this for DLP rapid prototyping stuff? ( not familiar with terminology )
[22:25:03] <CptMemleakShop> tjtr33, oh we are just trying out alternative real time kernels
[22:25:17] <CptMemleakShop> preempt_RT, XENOMAI AND rtai
[22:25:59] <CptMemleakShop> preempt_rt is just much easier to build and support
[22:26:31] <CptMemleakShop> we get 5-8uS with RTAI on the exact same hardware
[22:26:46] <CptMemleakShop> but it's just lots more work to build
[22:27:30] <CptMemleakShop> <--- memlean and capthindsight shared nick since are both working on this system
[22:27:43] <tjtr33> CptMemleakShop, 5-8uS sounds like the holy grail to me.
[22:28:02] <tjtr33> CptMemleakShop, the hello to the both of you ( the two Ronnies jokes :)
[22:28:10] <CptMemleakShop> heh
[22:28:45] <CptMemleakShop> the problem is that we don't have hardware acceleration working with ubuntu yet
[22:29:39] <CptMemleakShop> and I need machines that have hardware accel since we are doing image processing and HD video while maching/printing
[22:30:14] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/jVYwz
[22:30:20] <tjtr33> hardware acc ? not software? like in the amplifier?
[22:31:14] <tjtr33> zeeshan|2, you got one of the omni-mikes cool. removable anvil
[22:31:22] <zeeshan|2> yessir
[22:31:23] <zeeshan|2> its for sale
[22:31:25] <zeeshan|2> i alrewady have one
[22:31:26] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:31:47] <tjtr33> still got mine too (and ball and pin & V tip )
[22:31:54] <CptMemleakShop> hardware accelerated graphics (in the GPU) vs in the cpu in software
[22:33:06] <tjtr33> CptMemleakShop, what are your thought on seperating user front end from cnc ( separate machines or core or ... )
[22:38:47] <CptMemleakShop> tjtr33, the user interface can be separate, I just think it's a bit goofy to spend so much effort supporting boards with a GPU or that can't run Axis locally
[22:39:32] <CptMemleakShop> meaning a GPU that too underpowered to actually have a decent res display
[22:40:14] <tjtr33> and i just thought it was the evil GL ( always seemed to be the bottle neck on my boxes )
[22:41:40] <CptMemleakShop> we can play HD games and watch blue ray video while running RTAI now
[22:41:58] <tjtr33> on those AMD machines?
[22:42:15] <CptMemleakShop> even the cubieboard can playback HD video while running preempt_rt
[22:42:53] <CptMemleakShop> yeah, the new AMD APU's is where we need to go
[22:43:10] <tjtr33> hmm, maybe i'm remembering FLASH on youtube with the cubieboard, was a slug
[22:43:33] <CptMemleakShop> we are integrating video/machine vision with machining and printing
[22:44:15] <CptMemleakShop> memleak was playing some HD game while running preempt_rt
[22:44:15] <tjtr33> machine vision with machining, are you doing live quality control?
[22:44:22] <CptMemleakShop> on the cubie2
[22:44:27] <CptMemleakShop> yes
[22:44:33] <CptMemleakShop> verification
[22:44:45] <CptMemleakShop> auto HOME
[22:44:55] <tjtr33> jeez, thats really bleeding edge
[22:45:30] <CptMemleakShop> one system actually looks for cosmetic defects and performs repairs using inkjet down to 10um
[22:45:58] <CptMemleakShop> save anodized parts from the scrapper
[22:47:24] <tjtr33> ah, about 10um, so the Z axis on AGie wedms is 10um steps ( X&Y are 1/2u ), what influence does Z step size have on repraps?
[22:47:48] <tjtr33> my buddy want to convert on to a reprap ( has too many )
[22:47:52] <tjtr33> one
[22:48:00] <CptMemleakShop> heh, not much since they have nozzles 10-30x larger
[22:48:16] <CptMemleakShop> it's like having a vernier dial on a firehose
[22:48:21] <tjtr33> ok, so mulitples of 10u is ok
[22:48:22] <tjtr33> hahaha
[22:49:20] <CptMemleakShop> anything under 200us Z for an glue gun with hobbed bolt drive is silly
[22:49:39] <CptMemleakShop> the nozzles are enomous and there is little control of the flo9w
[22:49:46] <tjtr33> good point, now i got perspective
[22:53:24] <CptMemleakShop> a micronozzle with UV photopolymer can be controlled well
[22:53:53] <CptMemleakShop> 25um nozzle and 10-25um layers is common
[22:54:38] <CptMemleakShop> think of a valvejet (inkjet only with fluid under pressure vs piezo drive pulse)
[22:54:45] <CptMemleakShop> a stream vs drops
[23:08:23] <tjtr33> i saw a photo you posted of something like a syringe and another cylinder. i dont know how its metered, maybe feedback, maybe stepper syringe with fixed orifice. but we're into proprietary stuff i'd guess, so NM :)
[23:16:34] <tjtr33> and while reading about load cells for tool length probes (hacked bathroom scales) i saw people using similar for glue gun flow control
[23:24:51] <CptMemleakShop> tjtr33, that was a micronozzle
[23:25:02] <CptMemleakShop> fed with a syringe
[23:25:23] <CptMemleakShop> but you could have a 200kg pressure pot with material to dispense
[23:26:27] <tjtr33> ah i use pressure pots for edm sometimes, hi pressure lo volume, cheap
[23:28:37] <tjtr33> http://www.mikrosmanufacturing.com/micro-nozzle/
[23:31:53] <tjtr33> http://diywax3d.wikispaces.com/DIY+Micro+Nozzle
[23:33:49] <tjtr33> haha ^^^ garage build 10um orifice, if hes lucky he gets something between a hole and not-a-hole
[23:34:40] <zeeshan|2> http://www.amazon.com/KENNEDY-Drawer-Machinists-Chest-Dimensions/dp/B003XWC302
[23:34:52] <zeeshan|2> http://www.amazon.com/KENNEDY-Drawer-Add-On-Base-Dimensions/dp/B004Z8UG4S
[23:34:56] <zeeshan|2> whats a decent price to ask for both these?
[23:34:57] <zeeshan|2> used?
[23:35:00] <zeeshan|2> i don't need em