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[03:04:42] <Deejay> moin
[03:30:59] <s1dev> my dial indicator is wiggling around in my magnetic base ideas on how to fix it?
[03:34:51] <archivist> impossible to help without pictures and the dti in my hands
[03:42:41] <s1dev> the indicator has a single mounting hole on the rear like this
http://www.controls-group.com/backend/prodotti/img_upload/img_big/1207091137110_82_rear_mount.jpg and it wiggles around that axis
[03:42:48] <s1dev> slightly
[03:45:33] <s1dev> but enough to throw off my reading
[03:46:10] <s1dev> am I better off trying to hold the indicator by the end?
[03:59:58] <archivist> do the bolt up tight enough, make sure the surfaces are parallel so the bolting pressure is not to one side only
[04:00:44] <archivist> note one side is machined and is the mating side
[04:01:55] <archivist> the other valid mount is the shaft sleeve
[04:03:00] <archivist> this is mounted on that sleeve
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/IMG_1673_800.JPG
[08:54:00] <R2E4_> mornin all
[08:55:33] <PetefromTn_> Mornin' R2
[08:57:55] <XXCoder2> morning
[08:57:57] <R2E4_> hehe..... Today is the day of the spindle!!!!
[08:58:14] <R2E4_> Spindlers around the globe unite!!!
[08:58:45] <R2E4_> To celebrate the newly welcom vm40 spindl;e....
[08:59:07] <PetefromTn_> LOL what are you smokin' this morning man hehehe
[09:00:19] <R2E4_> hehe, hope I am as excited in about three hours.
[09:03:06] <PetefromTn_> I hear that man. Good luck with it.
[09:04:09] <XXCoder2> I think today being sunday is why even though I woke 2 hours later than usual at 6:40a yet I feel like I woke at usual time at 4:40a for workdays :P
[09:04:41] <XXCoder2> todays one of those rare workday on weekend, but starts later than usual too lol
[09:05:23] <R2E4_> rare? I get most of my work done on weekends.
[09:05:49] <Loetmichel> XXCoder2: *cough*
[09:05:53] <R2E4_> hey Pete: What kind of vise you have on your machine?
[09:05:56] <Loetmichel> 4:40 wake?
[09:06:02] <XXCoder2> heh my usual workweek is m-f 5:30a-9a or so
[09:06:22] <Loetmichel> at that time i am sleeping about 2 hrs usally ;-)
[09:06:26] <XXCoder2> lol
[09:06:33] <Loetmichel> my workday starts at 0800
[09:06:46] <R2E4_> Mine is 7-5 at ingersol rand, then 5-7 eat withwife, then 7-midnight at my shop.
[09:06:51] <Loetmichel> ... and i manage to sleep in every odd day
[09:07:06] <Loetmichel> and be at the company somwhen between 0830 and 0900 ;-)
[09:07:30] <XXCoder2> flexiable worktime eh loet
[09:07:43] <Loetmichel> no, fied 800 to 1700
[09:07:44] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 I bought one of those inexpensive six inch Shars CNC vises.
[09:08:02] <Loetmichel> but as the production manager you get cut some slack ;-)
[09:08:03] <PetefromTn_> I do most of my vise work on sacrificial jaws so it works okay.
[09:08:29] <XXCoder2> ah lol lost habit of sleeping in. my alarm setup makes it impossible to ignore alarms lol
[09:08:42] <PetefromTn_> I don't think I am actually ALIVE at 4:40 Am...
[09:08:46] <Loetmichel> XXCoder2: my wife is my alarm
[09:09:07] <Loetmichel> when she is in america or elswhre in the world for her company i regulary sleep in
[09:09:15] <Loetmichel> i hear no alarm clocks
[09:09:22] <XXCoder2> me either
[09:09:35] <Loetmichel> they wake the whole house and i sleep like a baby 30cm from it ;-)
[09:09:36] <XXCoder2> I SEE my alarms going off every morning lol
[09:09:41] <PetefromTn_> My wife is making her world famous Teriyaki Chicken wings marinated for the grill this afternoon. Can't wait til' dinner time.
[09:09:49] <R2E4_> My coolant pan stood the test of time, overnight. no leaks. Will dump some collant in it and mix with the water.
[09:10:02] <PetefromTn_> What coolant are you using?
[09:10:27] <R2E4_> Cimcool Cimstar 60
[09:10:42] <PetefromTn_> Okay
[09:10:43] <XXCoder2> loet you should try lights alarm clock.
[09:10:58] <PetefromTn_> I saw one of those on facebook.
[09:11:04] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a good idea.
[09:11:09] <XXCoder2> I use dual 60 watts liughts with my alarm clock. very strong.
[09:11:10] <R2E4_> got 10 gallons free from my friend.
[09:11:11] <PetefromTn_> With my smartphone alarm as backup.
[09:12:02] <PetefromTn_> Oh I thought you were talking about one of those alarm clocks that slowly gradually gets brighter and reaches full brightness at alarm time.
[09:12:10] <XXCoder2> nah lol
[09:12:28] <PetefromTn_> Sounds like a nice way to wake up naturally...
[09:12:33] <R2E4_> Are spindle brakes usually ointhe spindle anddrive?
[09:12:42] <R2E4_> I have no external wiring for it.
[09:13:10] <XXCoder2> yeah I do want to try that too. set it to fully power on minute before my regular alarm clock lights go off
[09:13:15] <R2E4_> The fanuc manual saysnothingabout it.
[09:13:15] <PetefromTn_> I know my kids room is down the hall from my room and if both doors are open when the sun comes up it shines into my room and onto my bed usually waking me up.
[09:13:46] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 Are you sure there is not a big braking resistor somewhere atop the machine?
[09:13:57] <PetefromTn_> It is usually in some kinda protective cage.
[09:14:08] <PetefromTn_> or is that for the Z drive?
[09:14:13] <PetefromTn_> I cannot remember.
[09:14:28] <R2E4_> No, the Z drive brakeI am done with. Working fine.
[09:15:00] <PetefromTn_> I had to add a braking resistor for the spindle and the z drive because I got all new stuff.
[09:15:15] <R2E4_> I am talking spindle drive and servo. There's a servo motor directly attached a 20" spindle
[09:15:50] <R2E4_> The spindl;e and motor is about 39"
[09:15:57] <PetefromTn_> dunno if it is stock it must be there or it did not need it....
[09:16:37] <R2E4_> I can't turn the spindle so the braklemust be on.
[09:16:39] <PetefromTn_> your spindle is direct drive?
[09:16:50] <R2E4_> yes.
[09:17:07] <PetefromTn_> wow that is cool would not have thought it would be on a machine that old..
[09:17:15] <PetefromTn_> what year is it again?
[09:17:25] <R2E4_> 1988
[09:17:48] <PetefromTn_> Interesting.
[09:18:18] <XXCoder2> upgraded?
[09:18:29] <XXCoder2> I mean previous owner did it?
[09:18:50] <PetefromTn_> How does the power drawbar work then?
[09:20:52] <XXCoder2> allright work time for me laters, be back in few hours, easy work today, only supply one van lol
[09:21:58] <PetefromTn_> what kinda work?
[09:22:42] <R2E4_> Theres no drawbar
[09:23:15] <PetefromTn_> What taper is it?
[09:23:26] <R2E4_> look what I saw.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-HITACHI-SEIKI-VM40J-HIGH-SPEED-VMC-w-CONVERSATIONAL-GRAPHICS-RIGID-TAPPNG-/151264869693?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item233816bd3d
[09:23:33] <R2E4_> cat 40
[09:24:14] <R2E4_> I wonder if these machines are worth more now that it has Linuxcnc newer technology.
[09:26:03] <PetefromTn_> Well I know lots of them are for sale because apparently the control is no longer supported. at least that is what I heard. Its a shame I heard they are good machines,
[09:26:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121247011591 only 640 x 480 NOT 5MP, it has a nice easy to mount body and LED's
[09:28:13] <R2E4_> I cpuld do thisretrofit again in less thana month I am sure.
[09:29:27] <R2E4_> Alot of themwere sold in the Montrealarea. Shouldtry and find some customers.... to retrofitthem.
[09:30:14] <R2E4_> I have to find another PC. MyLinuxCNC gui is lockingup. Freezing. but the gcode still runs when it does.
[09:30:39] <CaptHindsight> the used machinery dealers I've talked to don't have any interest in Linuxcnc, they say their customers find it too odd a control system
[09:31:11] <CaptHindsight> nobody will know how to run it
[09:31:33] <R2E4_> The smaller companies that have them wont really have a choice. They cant afford 10,000- 20,000 for a marketcontrol.
[09:31:55] <R2E4_> Thats what service cotnracts are for....:-)
[09:33:59] <PetefromTn_> Personally while I am sure it would be worth more if the control was more mainstream, I think if you can show the machine works and works well and have a working post setup for it that you can teach someone how to use it it is worth something.
[09:34:24] <CaptHindsight> then again the ones I've talked to are some of the biggest cheapskates, old bridgeports for $, "can you retrofit for $2k?"3-5k
[09:34:32] <PetefromTn_> I did not build mine to sell but I feel that if it is completely working well and someone can post a program to it then it is inherintly worth something.
[09:35:19] <CaptHindsight> certainly
[09:35:35] <R2E4_> I got guys around my garage here, chomping atthe bits waiting for me to finish to run some parts for them.
[09:35:43] <R2E4_> Too expensive to send out to get done.
[09:35:51] <PetefromTn_> I was actually surprised at how much I was able to get for my RF45 CNC running Mach3 and this machine is so much more than that.
[09:36:10] <PetefromTn_> why can't I find that around here man LOL....
[09:37:10] <PetefromTn_> seems like I gotta beg for work around here with the machine sometimes.
[09:37:29] <R2E4_> I'm sure there are shops like that around there. They just dontknow you exist?
[09:37:50] <PetefromTn_> LOL probably...
[09:39:33] <R2E4_> I have 6 wires to tag and wire up.
[09:39:47] <R2E4_> and some programmingk to get my spindle running.
[09:39:48] <archivist> advertising costs and word of mouth can take years,
[09:41:06] <R2E4_> Yeah, I have a race shop right around the corner, I am not drag bitting their logo on sheet aluminum, so they weld it on their frames and parts on the race cars they are building.
[09:41:23] <R2E4_> I meant to say I am drag bitting.
[09:41:46] <PetefromTn_> you mean diamond drag engraving?
[09:42:50] <R2E4_> yeah
[09:43:06] <PetefromTn_> Sweet doing that on your bridgie or router?
[09:43:09] <R2E4_> no noise, no coolant the easiest money I ever made....hehe
[09:43:14] <R2E4_> both
[09:43:54] <PetefromTn_> Do you have a floating head or what?
[09:44:13] <R2E4_> did 150 of them in about 1.5 hours. Didnt have to cut the aluminum or nothing. Just throw iton and press go.
[09:44:24] <R2E4_> Foating head?
[09:45:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I made a whole buncha Pontiac Fiero Logos for the guys on the Fiero forum and that was pretty easy but I did have to cut them out too.
[09:45:24] <R2E4_> The bit has a spring in it. So you drive Z into the piece about .1" touch off and away you go.
[09:45:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I need to get one or build one...
[09:45:54] <PetefromTn_> Did you buy or build it?
[09:45:57] <R2E4_> IT does a great job.
[09:46:10] <R2E4_> I bought it.
[09:46:53] <R2E4_> I could make it with my lathe. The tips are only 20.00.
[09:47:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah there are several decent plans online for making one and just buy the commercial tips..
[09:47:24] <uw> hello
[09:47:48] <PetefromTn_> I build a router spindle mount for my Cincinatti so I can also do some high speed relief engraving in aluminum or plastic if necessary.
[09:48:10] <PetefromTn_> Bought a couple nice single flute carbide engraver bits with .020 tips.
[09:51:30] <PetefromTn_> But having a diamond drag would be nice too..
[09:52:38] <R2E4_> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/amp.jpg
[09:53:28] <R2E4_> That was done with a drag bit.
[09:53:50] <R2E4_> Took more time onthe computerthan it did to cut and engrave.
[09:54:02] <PetefromTn_> I am sure. Looks good man.
[09:54:43] <PetefromTn_> I had a guy come to be awhile back that was making some amps and wanted the panels engraved but I had to turn him away because the machine was not ready yet. He found someone else to do it in the mean time unfortunately.
[09:57:07] <R2E4_> I build guitar tube amps.
[09:57:29] <PetefromTn_> You sure have a wide skills set man... Props to you.
[09:59:01] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: is your bridgeport retrofitted?
[10:02:58] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Actually as I recall he said it was still working with the stock control but he said he would probably retrofit it if it ever dies...
[10:04:55] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302704 decent lens but too few pixels
[10:05:42] <archivist> no obvious colour fringes, reasonable
[10:06:33] <CaptHindsight> archivist: only 0.3MP but advertised at 5MP, it's going back
[10:06:48] <zeeshan|2> archivist: how do you store your tap and dies?
[10:07:30] <archivist> zeeshan|2, not very well, but in plastic draws unless the buggers wont fit
[10:07:52] <zeeshan|2> i realized a plano box takes too much space
[10:08:52] <zeeshan|2> i'm trying to fit it in a 22 7/8 by 10 3/4 drawer by 2" drawer
[10:09:14] <archivist> I spent a few days sorting and cleaning and labelling still ended up with a random over size box
[10:09:25] <zeeshan|2> haha
[10:09:47] <zeeshan|2> archivist: today is the day!
[10:09:49] <zeeshan|2> 10 hours 28 minutes
[10:09:55] <zeeshan|2> for that spi machinist block level =]
[10:10:18] <Loetmichel> R2E4: i do that with a 30° engraving bit
[10:11:03] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx3sT3kQV-8
[10:11:17] <R2E4_> zeeshan|2: No my bridgeport is using the old control it came with. When it dies I will retrofit, but I think it will outlast me.
[10:11:28] <zeeshan|2> ah a boss series bridgeport
[10:11:36] <Loetmichel> looks like this when finished:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14250&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[10:11:44] <archivist> zeeshan|2, draw type in the background
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_18_Bechler_N.AE/IMG_1529.JPG
[10:12:25] <Loetmichel> (got the wrong paint there, doesent stick too well to the pmma ;-( )
[10:12:28] <R2E4_> Loetmichel: thats awesome. I was leary on using engraving vbit like that.
[10:12:54] <R2E4_> What depth you going?
[10:13:08] <R2E4_> .075?
[10:13:33] <Loetmichel> 0.1mm
[10:14:03] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: we bought the Supereyes 5 MP 500X one, it seems pretty decent
[10:14:30] <R2E4_> .004?
[10:14:31] <R2E4_> WOW
[10:14:56] <R2E4_> I guess your table is flat.....hehe
[10:15:20] <R2E4_> Hi pcw_home
[10:16:21] <pcw_home> Hi R2E4
[10:16:30] <Loetmichel> ReadError: its a piece of MDF, faced off just before mounting the pmma sheets
[10:16:33] <Loetmichel> grr
[10:16:34] <Loetmichel> R2E4
[10:17:02] <Loetmichel> R2E4: worhs with PCB material also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg
[10:17:24] <Loetmichel> result:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14507&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[10:17:57] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: the nice thing is it works really well with normal room light (which is good since the built in LEDs are way too blue)
[10:18:42] <R2E4_> cool, just one pass? What buitis it?
[10:18:47] <R2E4_> goit URL?
[10:18:51] <R2E4_> lol
[10:19:49] <R2E4_> http://www.precisebits.com/ precisebits has some nice pcb engraving bits.
[10:21:15] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: nice, I was looking at those
[10:22:45] <R2E4_> pcw_home: My fanuc ac spindle servo drive has dry contact inputs for forward and reverse. I have mnop brake woire nor any mention of spindle brake in schematics. Do you think it would bebuiolt into the Fanux drive inthat when it receives a voltage command and direction, it removes the brake, and when it is done applies the brake?
[10:22:56] <pcw_home> we got it mainly for QC pictures for assy house
[10:23:14] <PetefromTn_> I got my engraver bits with 1/4 inch shank and .020 tip from BitsandBits company online. Decent quality.
[10:24:19] <pcw_home> Probably (plus applies brake only at 0 RPM) . The Fanuc spindle drives are quite fancy
[10:25:41] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: this was taken with a $25 logitech webcam with an adjustable lens
[10:26:00] <pcw_home> You are lucky yours is old enough not to use Fanucs proprietary serial spindle interface :-)
[10:26:00] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302145
[10:26:29] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302136
[10:26:32] <R2E4_> The forward and reverse contacts, I would assume it wont spin without the input.
[10:27:14] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302139
[10:27:18] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Those pics look pretty clean man.
[10:27:25] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: Thats pretty good
[10:27:45] <PetefromTn_> Last one is a bit washed out tho. Probably can adjust.
[10:27:56] <CaptHindsight> Logitech C270 3MP
[10:28:57] <pcw_home> R2E4 probably not (doesn't it have a orient input as well?)
[10:29:03] <PetefromTn_> Well turning on the VMC here now to make another part...
[10:29:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.staples.com/Logitech-HD-Webcam-C270/product_354562&nAID=17588969&KPID=354562
[10:30:03] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight IS this for the 3d imagining that was discussed yesterday or for the spindle location setup you were working on?
[10:30:18] <R2E4_> yes, It has an orient input. What would the forward and reverse input do then?
[10:30:39] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: auto ZERO, but you could use them for 3D scanning as well
[10:30:49] <PetefromTn_> Nice...
[10:34:39] <pcw_home> Dont know how orient and for/rev interact
[10:49:37] <PetefromTn_> Anyone here got a quick spindle warmup program that works well?
[10:52:22] <R2E4_> Where do you tell Linuxcnc the scale for the rpm for the spindle?
[10:52:33] <R2E4_> max rpm.
[10:55:20] <archivist> zeeshan|2, the real answer
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_03_30_tools/IMG_1760.JPG
[11:05:27] <R2E4_> hmmm. I see no spindle enable on the drive schematics.\
[11:16:13] <humble_sea_bass> hey we solved world hunger
[11:16:15] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/143154/3D-printed-shoes-by-Recreus-scrunch-up-to-fit-into-pockets_dezeen_ss_6.jpg
[11:19:13] <zeeshan|2> archivist: i like the 'odd' threads section
[11:20:14] <archivist> I have been collecting thread tables and there are loads of missing there
[11:20:42] <pcw_home> R2E4_ is the spindle analog 0 to +10 (with forward and reverse setting the directions)
[11:21:20] <archivist> anybody seen this type of sine bar before ?
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=sine+bar+pd
[11:21:35] <zeeshan|2> weird looking
[11:21:45] <R2E4_> analog 10v, but I dont know if the sp forward and sp reverse is setting the directions or that isfor orien tation.
[11:22:23] <pcw_home> sounds like you will have to play a bit (unless the manual says)
[11:25:12] <R2E4_> There is a tool unclamp (ready), so when the tool is clamped, they are using that as a type of enable. IT is a maintenance manual, it doesnt really go into that. I have two drawings I have to figure out which one it uses, one uses gdn and other uses 24v.
[11:27:10] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/c0Bvo
[11:27:12] <zeeshan|2> last pic
[11:27:17] <zeeshan|2> anyone know where to buy more pegs for that
[11:27:24] <zeeshan|2> i bought those trays 12 years ago
[11:27:35] <zeeshan|2> i don't remember if it was canadian tire or home depot
[11:27:44] <zeeshan|2> can't find it on either site
[11:27:49] <jdh> who did you rob for the inserts?
[11:29:06] <zeeshan|2> jdh 60% of them came from that tool haul deal i got
[11:29:10] <zeeshan|2> the rest are from kijiji finds
[11:29:46] <jdh> wtf is a kijiji
[11:29:51] <zeeshan|2> like craigslist
[11:29:53] <zeeshan|2> but better
[11:30:14] <PetefromTn_> That sine bar is interesting, trying to figure out how you shim it up?
[11:31:33] <archivist> under its small foot I think
[11:31:36] <jdh> there are 33 total items listed for sale on kijiji here
[11:31:47] <zeeshan|2> i guess its more of canadian website
[11:32:23] <zeeshan|2> i really need to find more pegs
[11:32:29] <zeeshan|2> couple more sockets left
[11:33:02] <jdh> ucs
[11:33:03] <archivist> cnc..make the pegs
[11:33:05] <jdh> crap
[11:33:08] <zeeshan|2> ucs?
[11:33:12] <zeeshan|2> archivist: lol
[11:33:24] <zeeshan|2> i bought those 3 packs w/ pegs for $8 back in the day
[11:33:33] <zeeshan|2> if i can just find more of them that would be best
[11:34:30] <zeeshan|2> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_203769_langId_-1_categoryId_255215
[11:34:34] <zeeshan|2> there are some in england!
[11:35:50] <Ag-MEEN> I've a question about home and limit switch configuration in stepconf: what is the difference between "Home X" and "Home + Minimum Limit X?"
[11:36:12] <archivist> oh, there is a store near everyone. including about 4 miles from here
[11:36:55] <zeeshan|2> is halfords
[11:36:59] <zeeshan|2> like the home depot of uk?
[11:37:38] <archivist> it is the bicycle and car place
[11:37:51] <archivist> often a bit over priced
[11:40:21] <archivist> other method one sees
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/clarke-cht645-80pc-socket-rail-tray
[11:40:48] <zeeshan|2> i like the peg style cause its more flexible :P
[11:42:27] <archivist> looks like the local halfords has that in stock
[11:42:43] <zeeshan|2> im gonna try sears, home depot and canadian tire
[11:42:47] <zeeshan|2> i know its from one of those where i got it
[11:42:58] <zeeshan|2> if not, then order from halfords
[11:48:55] <Ag-MEEN> From what I've read so far, it sounds like "Home + Minimum Limit" is what I have on my CNC router: a single momentary switch at the "0" end of the axis. Am I correct?
[11:57:20] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass:
http://phys.org/news180125418.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKd56D2mvN0 why not a braille reader that fits on the tongue, no moving parts
[11:58:28] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass:
http://www.gizmag.com/nerve-prostheses-interface-scaffolds/21646/ what if these were just under the skin (or possible replacing a small patch of it) and you just stimulate the interface? no bumps or motion required
[12:08:45] <humble_sea_bass> your tongue is of lower resolution
[12:08:49] <humble_sea_bass> than fingertips.
[12:10:17] <CaptHindsight> is the tongue too low res for text?
[12:11:21] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: is that why video to the tongue has stalled out?
[12:11:22] <Einar> Archivist: Odd threads? If you can'nt find them here, yes:
http://mdmetric.com/thddata.htm But I think you can.
[12:11:46] <humble_sea_bass> that video to tongue thing has been going around in one way or another for years
[12:13:37] <humble_sea_bass> my wife says that there are folks who can read actual braille with their tongue, but not fast since the reading speed is developed by running the finger across, which is suboptimal with a squishy tongue and a thing that might be changing flashcard style
[12:15:41] <archivist> Einar, there quite a few missing from that table :)
[12:15:44] <CaptHindsight> I was thinking of non-invasive interfaces
[12:17:21] <archivist> Einar, eg Elgin watch, Swiss Thury thread
[12:18:23] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: how about just stimulating the nerves directly in the fingertips electrically?
[12:22:08] <humble_sea_bass> ok just talked to the old lady
[12:22:35] <humble_sea_bass> "it has been found that sigther people, each finger tipped is mapped to drifferent regions of the brain"
[12:23:23] <humble_sea_bass> "in blind individuals, the fingers are fused, and reading braille benefits from dragging serveral fingers acrossthe line"
[12:24:03] <humble_sea_bass> in short, worth testing, but questionable with regards to delivering a stream of text information.
[12:25:07] <CaptHindsight> i wonder if the wiring/mapping happens during early development based on having sight
[12:26:08] <CaptHindsight> http://web.gc.cuny.edu/cogsci/private/bach-y-rita-tongue.pdf says the tongue is good enough for 49 points
[12:26:50] <humble_sea_bass> if you come to nyc or boston we should meet up, we have a friend who does reasearch into all this stuff. like the tactile resolution of different parts of the body and how much information yuou can pass through them etc
[12:26:59] <CaptHindsight> that's enough for a dot matrix
[12:27:12] <CaptHindsight> next week
[12:29:12] <marmite> http://t.co/MUSpxCp1Yz ^^
[12:29:20] <humble_sea_bass> the fusing of tactile points of fingertips seems to happen with early blind subjects. she is researching what happens to folks who lose their sight later
[12:29:40] <CaptHindsight> I need to get some brains to hack, difficult to find these days :)
[12:30:25] <humble_sea_bass> isnt that why we mess with the EMC2 hall
[12:30:27] <humble_sea_bass> hal
[12:32:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/110031-a-bionic-prosthetic-eye-that-speaks-the-language-of-your-brain
[12:35:28] <humble_sea_bass> those things are funky
[12:36:15] <humble_sea_bass> kind of like a cochlear for your eyes, but it seems to be contingent on you having seen before and having the neural pathways
[12:37:34] <CaptHindsight> maybe once we start reading baby minds we'll know how much is hardwired and what develops later
[12:40:38] <Einar> Archivist: Thury Thread looks like BA with 0.001mm resolution?
[12:50:36] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: @1:45
http://www.macfound.org/fellows/899/ inject and optogenetic protein in the eye as a non invasive interface
[12:50:43] <CaptHindsight> and/an
[12:51:40] <CaptHindsight> http://physiology.med.cornell.edu/faculty/nirenberg/lab/papers/PNAS-2012-Nirenberg-1207035109.pdf
[12:53:43] <humble_sea_bass> gene therapy is a hot field for curing congenital blindness, results have been mixed so far though
[12:55:09] <CaptHindsight> I wonder why their work has been so quiet? No patents so no interest of under patent and put away for safe keeping
[12:55:23] <CaptHindsight> of/or
[12:55:57] <humble_sea_bass> like they are
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=leber%27s+congenital+amaurosis+gene+therapy&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=oVY4U7HpLKXesATi7IHIBg&ved=0CDQQgQMwAA
[12:56:33] <humble_sea_bass> I'm sure there are a bunch of medical patents and such. there must be
[12:57:24] <CaptHindsight> again, China for the win
[12:58:03] <humble_sea_bass> its insane, but the hand's off approach just works so much better sometimes
[12:58:23] <CaptHindsight> at some point I wonder if the west is going to go war with China since everything is going to be made there
[12:58:47] <humble_sea_bass> and we forgot how to make things along the way
[13:02:50] <humble_sea_bass> or they can do like germany did to greece and just impose some serious demands
[13:03:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3443127/ this is huge
[13:04:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2012/08/09/1207035109.DCSupplemental/pnas.201207035SI.pdf#nameddest=STXT
[13:06:02] <humble_sea_bass> it is massive considering that the bulk of people who lose vision due to retinal deneration, those are folks with intact neural pathways
[13:06:40] <CaptHindsight> not just for eyes, pre-processors for the brain
[13:07:45] <CaptHindsight> we had gold based interfaces back the 80's to connect wires with nerves, but we knew that the retinas did some of their own processing
[13:08:30] <humble_sea_bass> it is kind of like the adaptive filters modern choclears have
[13:08:31] <CaptHindsight> REing the encoders and now they have worked out non-invasive interconnects
[13:09:27] <humble_sea_bass> did they just make tiny gold wires and jack them to the nerve endings?
[13:09:37] <CaptHindsight> just about
[13:10:52] <humble_sea_bass> when I was in college I was endlessly entertained by the gold wires coming out of nanomechanical objects and chip packages
[13:12:08] <humble_sea_bass> I thought that it must've been as annoying as soldering DB9 cables but to some exponent
[13:12:08] <CaptHindsight> there so much benefit here but all you hear about is bad drugs and boner pills
[13:12:56] <humble_sea_bass> you make a lot more money selling boners and cholesterol whatevers
[13:13:44] <CaptHindsight> what a sick society when there's little interest due to lack of control and profit
[13:14:54] <humble_sea_bass> I think the bulk of this stuff lives or dies based on some professor getting a grant at a college
[13:14:54] <archivist> Einar, BA was based on it
[13:17:50] <humble_sea_bass> knowledge in america :
http://irclo.gr/i/143021/nsb5z5q.gif
[13:18:54] <CaptHindsight> just about everything I research somebody has beaten me to the answer or even patented, they just can't make it
[13:19:46] <humble_sea_bass> I'm a little ignorant about patent law outside of the states, what's the situation in china
[13:19:52] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: but they block anyone here from using it
[13:20:30] <humble_sea_bass> and what happens if you mke a product there which happens to have patents here as far as distibution is concerned
[13:20:57] <CaptHindsight> sometimes they get the customs dept involved
[13:21:08] <CaptHindsight> like Apple vs Samsung
[13:21:35] <humble_sea_bass> i.e. a clusterfuck
[13:21:38] <CaptHindsight> or if China starts dumping like tapered roller bearings or solar panels
[13:22:24] <CaptHindsight> so I expect people to start traveling to China for $500 livers and kidneys, maybe eyes soon as well
[13:25:14] <CaptHindsight> they have a middle class larger than the entire US right now, selling to the US or the EU will be come more irrelevant
[13:35:50] <humble_sea_bass> werlp
[13:41:48] <Ag-MEEN> Is this a good place to ask questions about LinuxCNC stepconf setup, or should I post to the forums?
[13:41:57] <CaptHindsight> just ask
[13:43:56] <Ag-MEEN> OK. If I have one switch at opposite ends of my axis, each on a different pin (the home switches are wired in parallel, the max limits in series), should I call one "Home + Minimum Limit" and the other a maximum limit?
[13:45:22] <Ag-MEEN> And since the max limits are wired in series, should I assign them as "Maximum Limit" for an axis? If so, which one, or does it matter?
[14:11:44] <R2E4_> Ag-MEN: Are you short on inputs?
[14:13:04] <XXCoder2> heh work was longer than expecte. back
[14:19:20] <Ag-MEEN> R2E4_ I have a limited number of inputs from the mill to the PC, one of which is devoted to E-Stop. I'm using a Gecko G540 to drive the steppers, if that helps.
[14:19:58] <Ag-MEEN> Three inputs for the home switches wired in parallel (X,Y,Z) and the max limit switches are wired in series.
[14:22:01] <Ag-MEEN> If it helps at all, this is the wiring I am using:
http://www.overclock.net/t/755828/complete-2-x-3-custom-cnc-router-from-80-20-aluminum-extrusion/100#post_16003471
[14:24:44] <archivist> have you had a good read of
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html
[14:30:58] <Ag-MEEN> I have, thanks. However, I am working from stepconf wizard.
[14:31:20] <Ag-MEEN> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_stepconf.html
[14:31:37] <archivist> I use stepconf just to get motors running then I edit the configs
[14:35:31] <Ag-MEEN> Yes, I've heard that editing the configs is the way to go if you really want to dial in things exactly. I'm still learning LinuxCNC, so I plan to stick to stepconf until I gain more experience.
[14:36:40] <Ag-MEEN> Still: if I have a single momentary switch on each end, this would be "Home + Minimum Limit" and "Maximum Limit" yes?
[14:37:30] <archivist> no idea
[14:37:42] <archivist> try it and see
[14:38:17] <Ag-MEEN> LOL, yup. Pretty much what I'm down to. :-P
[14:38:40] <R2E4_> Your going to have to edit configs anyway.
[14:39:30] <Ag-MEEN> For basic setup?
[14:40:08] <XXCoder2> 're
[14:40:09] <Tom_itx> it's just gonna happen
[14:40:16] <archivist> we all have differing ideas of basic, including the person writing stepconf :(
[14:41:19] <XXCoder2> yeah. even universial stuff can be basic or not. if you thought figuring what tone sound is should be possible say, it's not basic stuff to everyone
[14:41:28] <XXCoder2> theres tone deaf and just plain deaf
[14:41:52] <Ag-MEEN> I've no doubt I will eventually get under the hood and be editing the config. Right now my experience is with stepconf wizard, so I'm focusing on working within that environment.
[14:47:23] <R2E4_> Stepcongf wont setuhp your homing for you. You have to decide how you want it to work, and with that you will need to edit the configs. Among other things.
[15:00:01] <PetefromTn_> Was just looking at the tool table editor here.
[15:00:25] <PetefromTn_> I was kinda thinking about it in terms of how it is different from the Haas Machines
[15:00:44] <PetefromTn_> There is a diameter and Z column for the width and length of the cutter.
[15:00:59] <PetefromTn_> The Haas Machines have another column for each that has wear
[15:01:12] <PetefromTn_> IE there is a length wear setting and a diameter wear setting.
[15:01:53] <PetefromTn_> That way you can setup your cutter based on measurements of the diameter and then add wear offset as it wears in or to creep up on a dimension on a part.
[15:02:26] <PetefromTn_> How do you guys do this in LinuxCNC? Do you just tweak the diameter or length offsets columns directly or is there another way?
[15:05:40] <Jymmm> What's the drawbacks of a solid tire on a hand dolly?
[15:07:23] <R2E4_> Less grip in the corners.... hehe
[15:16:37] <Einar> Jymm: They are heavier. I was scratching my head as I thought you meant the dollies we use to shape panels. :-)
[15:32:25] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, yes
[15:33:29] <Tom_itx> enter the actual values
[15:33:41] <PetefromTn_> yes you tweak those two columns or yes there is another way?
[15:33:58] <Tom_itx> that's why i don't like 3flute cutters
[15:34:15] <Tom_itx> tweak the values
[15:34:16] <PetefromTn_> HUh?
[15:34:24] <PetefromTn_> whats wrong with 3 flute cutters?
[15:34:33] <Tom_itx> hard to mic them for wear
[15:35:14] <PetefromTn_> actually I usually just put in the diameter it is supposed to be maybe minus a couple tenths and then tweak it in..
[15:35:31] <PetefromTn_> based on the cut.
[15:37:21] <PetefromTn_> sure would be nice to have the wear columns in the table so you can keep the actual in there and tweak for programs needs or to creep up on a part and then be able to put it back when done without needing a calculator.
[15:38:08] <Tom_itx> why would you need a calculator for that?
[15:38:17] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[15:41:37] <Tom_itx> you wouldn't be putting a positive number in those columns anyway
[15:43:37] <PetefromTn_> you might actually... depending on if you are deep or shallow..
[15:44:09] <PetefromTn_> In the Haas Controls it actually lets you do an add or subtract automatically depending on your input number
[15:44:29] <Jymmm> Einar: Thanks, I heard something about the ride of them, wasn't sure.
[15:44:48] <R2E4_> no spindle turn....:-(
[15:44:55] <PetefromTn_> Damn that sucks...
[15:45:20] <R2E4_> not yet. I'm not sure if LinuxCNC is telling it to turn or not.
[15:45:29] <R2E4_> OR if the drive is ready or not
[15:45:30] <Jymmm> Einar: I have a convertable dolly and loaded it up with firewood. One tire did NOT appreciate that and needs to be replaced =)
[15:53:03] <R2E4_> motion.spindle.forward get fired when linuxcnc tells the spindle to move in a forward rotation?
[15:57:40] <R2E4_> I have an SP Forward SP U, I think needs to follow motion.spindle.forward
[16:02:08] <PetefromTn_> Whats SP U
[16:03:49] <PetefromTn_> rob_h Hey man ya there? POKE!
[16:04:01] <Deejay> hi pete!
[16:04:07] <PetefromTn_> Hey Deejay!!!
[16:04:07] * Deejay waves his hand
[16:04:18] * PetefromTn_ Waves back kindly
[16:04:22] <Deejay> :-)
[16:04:47] <PetefromTn_> Machine is making parts right now man!!
[16:05:07] <Tom_itx> good ones?
[16:05:14] <PetefromTn_> Hoping so LOL...
[16:05:20] <Tom_itx> :)
[16:05:29] <PetefromTn_> Actually it is another version of the rail I made the other day...
[16:06:21] <R2E4_> I have momtion.spindle.forward showing up in pinlist but when I try to attach an poutput, l;inuxcnc spits with motion.spindle.forward does not exist.
[16:06:49] <PetefromTn_> Some folks want Picatinny rails and some want Dovetails so there needs to be a bit more meat on top to creat the picatinny rails body.
[16:07:49] <Ag-MEEN> Success! I now have working home and limit switches. Also learned that the Stepconf Wizard doesn't like to have a negative value in the "to" field of Table Travel
[16:08:45] <R2E4_> I can see both spindle-on and motion.spindle.forward come on inhalconfiguration. Bizarre
[16:14:45] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/302740
[16:15:32] <andypugh> R2E4_: Onr possibility is that your hal command is too early. Though it would have to be before the loadrt motmod, and that seems unlikely.
[16:16:29] <andypugh> Ah, it is actually motion.spindle-forward not motion.spindle.forward too...
[16:20:40] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man the syntax on that stuff can really get ya...
[16:20:50] <R2E4_> Yes, I made a typo error. I am trying to get an ouopt to follow motion.spindle-forward and it wont go.
[16:22:18] <R2E4_> been trying different scenario's. but net motion.spindle-forward hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-13 doesnt work
[16:22:31] <R2E4_> I tried neting a signal and that didnt work either.
[16:24:13] <andypugh> You need to create a signal.
[16:24:50] <andypugh> net my_new_signal motion.spindle-forward hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-13
[16:25:02] <R2E4_> I tried that with net SP-FW motion.spindle-forward hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-13
[16:25:22] <R2E4_> ok, let me try that again.
[16:27:58] <R2E4_> When I do that it says, 'PIN motion.spindle-forward' was allready linked to signal 'sp-fw'
[16:31:41] <PetefromTn_> Just milled out the part completed the program and went to check my dimensions to the drawing.... The height of the part along the Y axis is supposed to be 1.5500 and it mic'd out to 1.5504 hehehe That is with NO compensation tweaking at all....Pretty sweet I think.
[16:31:45] <R2E4_> hmmm...
[16:32:06] <R2E4_> nice.
[16:33:47] <R2E4_> I'm doing exactly how it says inthe docs....
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html#_spindle_direction
[16:34:55] <PetefromTn_> 3" dimension along the X axis is supposed to be 3" exactly and it is +.0005" Again not bad without any comp.
[16:35:50] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:04] <PetefromTn_> I asked on the CamBam forum about a possibility of adding some comments to the preamble of my posted code that includes the list of cutters used in the program and also the Max and Min Z heights of each.
[16:36:13] <PetefromTn_> Deejay GN8 man!!
[16:36:22] <Deejay> good nite, pete :)
[16:36:34] <Deejay> (or have a nice day ;)
[16:36:36] <PetefromTn_> what time is it there man?
[16:36:45] <Deejay> 11pm
[16:36:55] <PetefromTn_> LOL sweet. Nitey night.
[16:37:09] <Deejay> middle european summertime (since today)
[16:37:29] * Deejay falls asleep now
[16:38:34] <PetefromTn_> Apparently there is a way to do that and one fellow showed me how to do the tool list part but he was unsure about the Z heights part.
[16:39:01] <PetefromTn_> Just having the list at the top of the program is kinda nice when you are setting up tools for a run...
[16:42:12] <R2E4_> Thats kind of misdirected. In my pinlist there is allready a spindle-cw that is linked to motion.spindle-forward, If I use spindle-cw as a signal it works, If I try to create a signal sp-cw it says it doesnt exist.
[16:42:13] <Einar> Jymm: Do NOT run it with one solid tyre and one inflatable! It the dolly will wobble.
[16:43:09] <Jymmm> Einar: Heh, thanks. Yeah, I'll replace them both at the same time. Just not sure if I should get inflatable or solid.
[16:44:32] <Einar> Jymm: Get solid if using it mainly on fairly flat surfaces, then the weight does not matter much. And they never run flat. ;-)
[16:44:58] <Einar> The dolly will also wobble less with a heavy load.
[16:45:16] <Jymmm> Einar: what about bumpy or rough areas?
[16:45:56] <Einar> It will be more bumpy. But use a better cart if toting people.
[16:46:12] <Jymmm> lol
[16:48:08] <Einar> When I built a support wall usnig concrete blocks, I cut off the axles and welded them on the inside of the frame so I could run it on the narrow top of the wall. That would have been very unstable with air tires and so small wheelbase.
[16:49:10] <Jymmm> ah
[16:49:12] <Einar> But you will need split rims. There is no way you can put them on normal rims.
[16:49:27] <Einar> Solid tyres that is.
[16:49:38] <Jymmm> they come with the rims pre-installed (harbor freight)
[16:50:25] <Einar> Ahh! CE? Then better check they are rubber and not plastic. That would be too firm.
[16:50:38] <Jymmm> k
[16:54:26] <Einar> I use this one to transport firewood:
http://www.messersi.it/portfolio/tch-0913/ It never runs flat. :-)
[17:06:03] <PetefromTn_> One guy asks question: Hello
[17:06:22] <PetefromTn_> I have a Arrow 500 Acramatic 2100e
[17:06:35] <PetefromTn_> Is there a door lock override for setup purposes?
[17:07:08] <PetefromTn_> I can't see my edgefinder.
[17:07:24] <PetefromTn_> Second guy writes back:
[17:07:40] <PetefromTn_> You should NEVER EVER take off the door lock pin from the left side of the door by removing the two allen screws and manually inserting it into the the right door lock so that the control thinks the door is closed. I would never recommend you do this to see your edge finder!!!
[17:07:44] <PetefromTn_> Cracks me up.
[17:08:10] <PetefromTn_> My Cincinatti arrow came to me that way.
[17:08:21] <PetefromTn_> Now It does not have that switch at all.
[17:08:52] <PetefromTn_> The Haas machines at work all get set to override door interlock so you can see what is going on.
[17:09:15] <PetefromTn_> I understand of course there is danger there but it is what most guys seem to wind up doing in the end.
[17:23:41] <zeeshan|2> @ gates you get fired on the spot for:
[17:23:46] <zeeshan|2> 1. messing with door interlock
[17:23:56] <zeeshan|2> 2. not following lock out procedure
[17:24:09] <zeeshan|2> i don't see the big deal
[17:24:17] <zeeshan|2> the door interlock is annoying
[17:30:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know maybe in school they frown upon but it is what it is... The last two shops I worked in both overrided the interlock.
[17:30:54] <PetefromTn_> There are times it is nice to be able to have a closer look at stuff and getting things adjusted mid program often calls for that.
[17:31:26] <zeeshan|2> gates = company not school :P
[17:31:45] <PetefromTn_> huh
[17:31:56] <PetefromTn_> well some places are more careful I guess.
[17:33:16] <andypugh> R2E4: Sorry, I was elsewhere. Do you need more explanation?
[17:33:21] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to wrap my head around flipping this part for side two and milling soft jaws for it. Not done that too terribly much yet I usually can find a way to clamp down with bolts or clamps
[17:33:51] <Tom_itx> you get stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time and you'll see the importance of door interlocks
[17:34:30] <PetefromTn_> Oh I am sure of that...
[17:34:36] <Tom_itx> ask the guy that lost 3 fingers i pulled outta a machine...
[17:35:21] <PetefromTn_> I try to keep the door kinda cracked when open just in case and I move the door away from me instead of the one closer... Kinda to diminish my chances of injury from flying debris...
[17:36:04] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks.. I know some folks who lost digits to a wood shaper machine that used to work in the shop I worked in.
[17:36:18] <andypugh> Part of the reason that my next lathe will probably be a converted manual, not a retrofitted CNC, is that the sort of thing I do needs me to be able to see what is going on, add special tooling, occasionally use a file, etc etc.
[17:36:28] <Tom_itx> these were material clamps he got caught in
[17:37:13] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind getting one of those CHNC's at some point they seem to have that sliding radiused enclosure top...
[17:37:23] <andypugh> A couple of years ago a chap at work got caught on a car body press. That was quick. And a mess to clean up.
[17:37:29] <PetefromTn_> how did he get caught in clamps?
[17:37:59] <Tom_itx> they stuck and he was reaching to pop em with a hammer to close em
[17:38:08] <zeeshan|2> any of you guys play around with proximity sensors?
[17:38:16] <Tom_itx> had the interlock been working, it wouldn't have moved until all the clamps were closed
[17:38:32] <andypugh> I have used proximity sensors. And I have made both mistakes.
[17:38:33] <PetefromTn_> You mean besides the five or six in my machine?
[17:38:45] <zeeshan|2> i need help
[17:38:51] <zeeshan|2> the tachometer came with no instructions
[17:39:00] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/7esAAOxydUJTMkGo/$_3.JPG
[17:39:02] <zeeshan|2> thats the proximity sensor
[17:39:16] <zeeshan|2> which wire is signal power and ground?
[17:39:17] <PetefromTn_> Huh same colors as mine.
[17:39:20] <zeeshan|2> im assuming black is ground
[17:39:25] <andypugh> Black is signal.
[17:39:26] <zeeshan|2> which one is signal
[17:39:28] <andypugh> no idea why
[17:39:31] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[17:39:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is the way mine are too Black is signal.
[17:40:07] <zeeshan|2> whats blue
[17:40:09] <zeeshan|2> and brown
[17:40:20] <Tom_itx> power?
[17:40:31] <PetefromTn_> Brown is 24v in my case and blue is common...
[17:40:33] <andypugh> I think it is brown +, blue - black signal, but let me check
[17:40:36] <Tom_itx> take your pick which is which
[17:40:42] <zeeshan|2> thank you
[17:40:56] <zeeshan|2> this sensor needs 12v apparently
[17:41:03] <zeeshan|2> i think it can work with a wide variety of voltages
[17:41:07] <zeeshan|2> 12v - 42v
[17:41:31] <PetefromTn_> I need one to install on my Toolchanger carousel to add a home switch to it.
[17:41:52] <PetefromTn_> There is not one from the factory and you had to tell the control which pocket is number 1.
[17:42:00] <zeeshan|2> Sensor wiring:brown-Power+;blue-Power-;black-signal
[17:42:05] <zeeshan|2> its on the webpage. im blind
[17:42:07] <zeeshan|2> sorry andypugh!
[17:42:39] <andypugh> You need to be careful with the NPN and PNP variants too.
[17:42:58] <zeeshan|2> im trying ti find out which one i bought
[17:43:05] <zeeshan|2> pretty sure its npn
[17:44:42] <zeeshan|2> yep its npn
[17:45:01] <andypugh> For an opto-input like a mesa card you sometimes connect the black to IN+ and IN- to GND, and sometimes you connect the black to IN- and the IN+ to field voltage. isolated input cards can use either, but if you have common-gnd cards you can only use one type.
[17:45:35] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: this is for a standalone tachometer
[17:45:38] <zeeshan|2> for drill press
[17:45:54] <andypugh> When you connect the + and - the LED inside will light up when the target is present.
[17:46:31] <andypugh> If the LED is on all the time, and brighter when the target is present, then you wired the output wrong. DAMHIK
[18:26:00] <zeeshan|2> andypugh:
[18:26:01] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:26:03] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[18:26:12] <zeeshan|2> so i wired it according to instructions on the website
[18:26:17] <zeeshan|2> and the LED on the actual npn sensor is always on
[18:27:40] <andypugh> Hmm
[18:27:55] <zeeshan|2> brown -> power +
[18:28:00] <zeeshan|2> blue -> power - (12v)
[18:28:07] <zeeshan|2> power = 12v i mean
[18:28:17] <zeeshan|2> black -> signal
[18:28:36] <andypugh> 12V brown, 0V blue, signal black?
[18:28:44] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:28:53] <zeeshan|2> how close does the sensor need to be to the magnet
[18:29:19] <andypugh> The target is probably just some mete.
[18:29:24] <andypugh> (metal)
[18:29:29] <zeeshan|2> this is a "
[18:29:34] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251374874885?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D251374874885%26_rdc%3D1
[18:29:35] <zeeshan|2> this exact one
[18:29:47] <andypugh> If “touching” doesn’t work then something is wrong.
[18:30:28] <zeeshan|2> lemme try touching thee magnet to the sensor
[18:30:33] <zeeshan|2> and see if it goes off
[18:31:06] <jdh> Detection range: 10mm
[18:31:16] <andypugh> It appears to be a Hall-effect sensor, so you might need to try both sides of the magnet.
[18:34:17] <andypugh> (If it really is a hall-effect sensor as they claim then it will be a magnet)
[18:45:39] <zeeshan|2> yea
[18:45:41] <zeeshan|2> the problem with the range
[18:45:44] <zeeshan|2> the sensor was too far away
[18:45:56] <zeeshan|2> basically its lit on all the time
[18:46:02] <zeeshan|2> but when the magnet passes, it gets brighter
[18:47:38] <zeeshan|2> belt table says 500 rpm, tachometer says 508-509
[18:47:49] <zeeshan|2> belt table lies!
[18:48:39] <zeeshan|2> now i gotta mount a vfd to this drill press
[18:48:48] <zeeshan|2> i shouldnt havent sold the vfd setup with my other drill press =/
[18:50:05] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/kLcgx
[19:10:26] <andypugh> light on all the time means that it is the wrong type of sensor for the input circuit. However it can still work (and you have seen that it does)
[19:14:30] <andypugh> I think that people obsess too much about spindle speed and SFM. Back when it was hard to measure spindle speed, good enough was god enough.
[19:15:25] <Tom_itx> true but you can get optimum tool life and production if things are set right
[19:15:37] <Tom_itx> not that it matters on one off parts
[19:15:48] <andypugh> Even now, the “book” value is probably not exactly right for _your_ tool, _your_ material and _your_ machine.
[19:17:04] <andypugh> You can tune a process to 75%turns per rpm50seconds
[19:17:38] <andypugh> By which I mean if you are tuning a process, the numbers are just numbers.
[19:40:36] <R2E4_> pcw_home: TI seems it is 0-10v command
[20:27:07] <XXCoder2> cant answer, but what scenario?
[20:27:41] <PetefromTn_Andro> We are wondering what happens basically when you shutdown the machine? IE when you startup and home the carousel and load tools how do you keep from having a crash when you restart the machine either upon power loss or just normal restart?
[20:28:09] <XXCoder2> definitely good question
[20:28:32] <PetefromTn_Andro> Do you guys have some kinda write register that records what tool was in the spindle and what pocket it went in?
[20:29:56] <PetefromTn_Andro> Typically you want to shutdown the machine with an empty spindle and whatever tools that are in the carousel loaded in the tool table that way.
[20:45:37] <PetefromTn_Andro> Damn is this some more of that netsplits garbage?
[20:45:46] <XXCoder2> fun
[20:46:01] <XXCoder2> so far it seems standard irc issues
[20:46:17] <XXCoder2> major ones last month or so was due to some goverment agenacy trying to kill freenode
[20:46:33] <XXCoder2> over some single channel they didnt approve of
[20:47:14] <PetefromTn_Andro> Really that bites.
[20:47:31] <XXCoder2> yeah it was stupid
[20:47:53] <XXCoder2> well be back heh
[20:49:38] <PetefromTn_Andro> Skunkie you around?
[20:49:41] <XXCoder2> guess dinner wasnt ready lol
[20:50:24] <PetefromTn_Andro> We had some delicious teriyaki wings my wife made I ate way too much LOL.
[20:51:11] <XXCoder2> :D
[20:51:18] <XXCoder2> we are having real nice hot dogs today
[20:51:29] <Tom_itx> no just rucas
[20:52:47] <PetefromTn_Andro> What's rucas
[20:53:06] <Tom_itx> he doesn't like freenode
[20:54:07] <zeeshan|2> hi friends, and pete
[20:54:21] <zeeshan|2> jk
[20:54:53] <zeeshan|2> garage has so much more space now
[20:55:00] <zeeshan|2> when things are organized and have their own place
[20:55:08] <zeeshan|2> im almost at the point where i can remove 2 whole storage racks
[20:55:13] <PetefromTn_Andro> Hey man you don't have to be my friend if you don't want to be LOL...
[20:55:24] <zeeshan|2> i kid
[20:55:25] <zeeshan|2> =P
[20:55:37] <zeeshan|2> pete how big is your garage?
[20:55:53] <PetefromTn_Andro> NOT BIG ENOUGH! !
[20:56:04] <zeeshan|2> mine is 20x22
[20:56:06] <zeeshan|2> or something like that
[20:56:10] <zeeshan|2> with a 7 foot ceiling
[20:56:17] <PetefromTn_Andro> Its about 25x25 or so.
[20:56:21] <zeeshan|2> i really think i can fit all my stuff in here
[20:56:30] <zeeshan|2> thats a good size
[20:56:36] <zeeshan|2> what height?
[20:57:07] <PetefromTn_Andro> It does have a 9.5' Ceiling tho which comes in handy...
[20:57:14] <zeeshan|2> damn
[20:57:16] <zeeshan|2> lucky.
[20:57:21] <zeeshan|2> you can pretty much fit any cnc in there
[20:57:46] <PetefromTn_Andro> I really need to take advantage of the HUGE attic above it somehow.
[20:58:05] <zeeshan|2> you can make overhead storage racks
[20:58:19] <zeeshan|2> with a folding stair case to get up there
[20:58:29] <zeeshan|2> but you might be moving =D
[20:58:33] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well I dunno about ANY but yeah if I can get it thru the door I can fit it.
[20:59:24] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah I am worried about that actually I know most homes in Florida will not have a high garage ceiling
[21:00:06] <R2E4_> damn, spindle not working
[21:00:20] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_Andro: if you move to florida
[21:00:23] <zeeshan|2> will you take your cnc with you?
[21:00:33] <zeeshan|2> vmc
[21:00:47] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah unless someone offers me a nice wad of cash for it LOL.
[21:01:05] <R2E4_> What part of florida?
[21:01:34] <zeeshan|2> so we were talking about tap and die storage right?
[21:01:41] <zeeshan|2> i ended up going with plano boxes
[21:01:43] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/my4ZlqY.jpg
[21:01:51] <zeeshan|2> got those at the dollar store for 1.25 each
[21:01:52] <PetefromTn_Andro> I want to move back to Port Saint Lucien area where I used to live.
[21:01:59] <zeeshan|2> removed the lid and cut the hinges off
[21:02:05] <zeeshan|2> those dividers are adjustable
[21:02:56] <PetefromTn_Andro> You can get some decent stuff at the dollar store sometimes.
[21:03:16] <zeeshan|2> yea there is tons of parts organization stuff
[21:03:22] <zeeshan|2> they have a whole section full of plastic bins
[21:03:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Got an email tonight asking when we could show the house ...
[21:03:33] <zeeshan|2> my gf suggested it. she's addicted to the dollar store
[21:04:28] <PetefromTn_Andro> We did lower the price a couple thou recently so who knows...
[21:04:44] <zeeshan|2> pete why do you wanna move to florida?
[21:06:14] <R2E4_> I was born and raised in florida, clearwater
[21:06:41] <zeeshan|2> how the heck did you end up in quebec man
[21:06:42] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:06:52] <zeeshan|2> parlez vous francais?
[21:08:33] <R2E4_> oui parle francais. I married a french canadian in California where I met her.
[21:08:52] <zeeshan|2> did you learn french just for her? :D
[21:08:54] <R2E4_> pcw_home:you around?
[21:09:18] <R2E4_> no, I learned french while working here.
[21:09:37] <zeeshan|2> ah
[21:09:58] <R2E4_> I dont know why the spindle is not working. I see the pulse via hal scope when it is suppose to start. IT does nothing though.
[21:12:04] <R2E4_> engraving drag bit in stainless steel plates with bridgeport as we speak!!! lol
[21:14:01] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_ I adopted a few rules: start with spindle empty. always let the machine get the tools. pod# = tool#,
[21:14:01] <tjtr33> crashes occur at putaway when someonessleepinginmybed or during getatool when spindleaintempty.
[21:17:48] <tjtr33> i wrote commands on non-linuxcnc controls an M10 that forgot the toolinspindle, and had users run that in prologue of every gcode program.
[21:17:53] <PetefromTn_Andro> Jeez this is getting old...
[21:18:11] <tjtr33> ? netsplit ?
[21:18:29] <PetefromTn_Andro> I guess got kicked off..
[21:18:47] <PetefromTn_Andro> What were you talking about?
[21:19:09] <tjtr33> use
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-03-31.html to see what happened while you were gone
[21:21:38] <PetefromTn_Andro> Okay so you are saying there is no way to record what is stored where upon shutdown?
[21:22:28] <tjtr33> not saying that, i dunno, but seems it could be stored in #5xxx vars. have not tried it
[21:22:58] <tjtr33> actually i said, "stat with spindle empty'
[21:23:09] <tjtr33> which avoids the issue
[21:23:12] <somenewguy> you could probably default have the controller assume longest tool on startup?
[21:23:53] <somenewguy> but to correct what is in the spindle would be a manual set to what it really is, which makes sense
[21:24:06] <somenewguy> if you are recovering from error or emergency, a little human intervention is a nice sanity check
[21:24:21] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah that would be ideal if anyone who might run the machine knew to unload the spindle tool into a pocket before shutdown but we are trying to make things idiotproof after all i am running the damn thing LOL
[21:24:36] <somenewguy> haha I know the feeling
[21:24:55] <Tom_itx> just because you record what was there is no guarantee it can't be manually changed
[21:25:20] <somenewguy> but if post-emergency it assuems longest tool, you at least wont have a crash, AND you won't try to load a tool into a loaded spindle
[21:25:39] <somenewguy> all this is theory to me of course, I don't even have indexable collets
[21:25:57] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well actually our plan is to have an auto homing routine upon startup which will not allow any user input until complete.
[21:26:13] <pcw_home> R2E4_ so spindle is no-go?
[21:26:35] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_Andro, how many employees you got to worry about? cant they/you check 16 or so tools are where they should be before hitting start?
[21:26:40] <R2E4_> no,
[21:27:02] <R2E4_> I am thinking it needs 0-10V with forward input or reverse inp[ut
[21:27:17] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah we are not really talking about tool length here rather trying to store a tool in a pocket that already has one in it crashes...
[21:27:48] <somenewguy> oh, a pre-occupied pocket would be just as akward as a pre-occupied spindle, didn't think of that
[21:27:56] <tjtr33> thats a sensor and some logic setting value of 'someonessleepinginmybed'
[21:28:03] <R2E4_> When I givbe it enable command, I hear acontactor energize.
[21:28:16] <Tom_itx> When LinuxCNC is shut down, volatile parameters lose their values. All parameters except numbered parameters in the current persistent range [1] are volatile. Persistent parameters are saved in the .var file and restored to their previous values when LinuxCNC is started again. Volatile numbered parameters are reset to zero.
[21:28:19] <R2E4_> but the maintenance manual is no real help.
[21:28:27] <pcw_home> do you have an analog input voltage
[21:28:31] <pcw_home> ?
[21:28:42] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html
[21:28:43] <PetefromTn_Andro> There is 20 tools and if the tool in spindle is tracked along with its position somewhere outside the power on setup it will not matter.
[21:29:00] <R2E4_> halscope says there is.
[21:29:14] <R2E4_> out of the 7i77 you mean?
[21:29:17] <pcw_home> does a DVM say ther is
[21:29:48] <pcw_home> (channel 5)
[21:30:30] <R2E4_> I havemine setup on channel 3
[21:31:25] <PetefromTn_Andro> Honestly my questions here were hopefully being directed to those folks who have working toolchanger equipped machines. Although any input is welcome I am curious as to what their machine setup does in this instance.
[21:32:16] <R2E4_> analogout3
[21:33:34] <zeeshan|2> FUCK
[21:33:38] <zeeshan|2> i forgot to bid on the level
[21:33:41] <zeeshan|2> it sold for 100
[21:33:44] <zeeshan|2> omg.
[21:33:45] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[21:33:51] <zeeshan|2> i shoulda put an alarm.
[21:35:44] <PetefromTn_Andro> I would like to think there is a way to track this upon shutdown or rather continually in some register when the control is enabled. Then when shutdown happens and restart can check that register somehow and know what is where..
[21:36:06] <R2E4_> pcw_home: 10vdc
[21:36:30] <R2E4_> gnd, AOUT3
[21:38:34] <pcw_home> aout 3 is not suited to spindle use
[21:38:59] <pcw_home> (because it cannot be separately enabled)
[21:39:34] <pcw_home> aout5 should be used
[21:39:40] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah man I was thinking that I use axis 5 for spindle.
[21:40:31] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_Andro, did you read the link?
[21:40:45] <Tom_itx> 5400 - Current Tool Number
[21:40:51] <Tom_itx> stored in the .var file
[21:41:05] <R2E4_> OK, I canchange that later. I am not using the ENA+ onthat channelthough.
[21:42:07] <pcw_home> doesnt matter, same issue (only aout5 is independent)
[21:42:19] <PetefromTn_Andro> Okay does that include the pocket information too? My smartphone kinda has a fit when I try to look at too much stuff at one time LOL.
[21:42:37] <Tom_itx> it allows for user vars
[21:42:58] <Tom_itx> 1-5000 - G-Code user parameters. These parameters are global in the G Code file.
[21:42:58] <R2E4_> OK, I will change it but that wouldnt make a diofference here would it?
[21:43:19] <pcw_home> not if you have 10V and no spindle rotation
[21:44:01] <pcw_home> what are the forward and reverse signals supposed to be?
[21:44:41] <pcw_home> and is the spindle velocity sensor connected/working?
[21:45:32] <R2E4_> It doesnt tell me in the manual what they are for, I suspect the spindle wont move kwithout one or the other input true. I am sitting now with it in forward.
[21:45:55] <PetefromTn_Andro> Tom I will look into that some more tomorrow. Sounds like it might be our answer here. Thanks for searching for me.
[21:46:02] <R2E4_> It has a magnetic sensor for orientation andthat is connected.
[21:47:12] <PetefromTn_Andro> Was hoping to hear from someone with a working toolchanger setup about how they handle this but I guess not. Gotta get to sleep now.
[21:47:30] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, " The range of persistent parameters may change as development progresses. This range is currently 5161- 5390. It is defined in the _required_parameters array in file the src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_array.cc "
[21:47:49] <tjtr33> i dunno what branch you are using
[21:48:14] <PetefromTn_Andro> We are using master updated as of about two weeks ago
[21:48:37] <Tom_itx> the point is that there are stored parameters available
[21:49:17] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah I understand and maybe we can use one or two here to track pocket and tool in spindle
[21:50:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Thanks a bunch guys. Gonna hit the sack. Night.
[21:53:50] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, so the other parameters aren't stored in the file... just the coordinate system data?
[21:55:22] <skunkworks> iirc - if you add the parameter number to the var file - it then persists...
[21:55:40] <skunkworks> (between runs)
[21:55:57] <tjtr33> thats what the docs say, and the current tool number is one step beyond the list of stored data. the src file and footnote explain it. (this is what i read when i look at my source )
[21:57:19] <tjtr33> skunkworks, could you look at the last line of
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html. and then at the src file for us?
[21:57:44] <tjtr33> i think it says the tool number is outside of the persistant range
[21:58:02] <tjtr33> lemme try on a sim
[21:58:05] <pcw_home> R2E4_ I wonder if theres a sequence that must be followed (say assert for/rev and then assert enable)
[21:58:17] <zeeshan|2> any of you guys have file cabinets
[21:58:18] <zeeshan|2> in the shop
[21:58:40] <R2E4_> pcw_home: I'm going to try and speak with Fanuc tomorrow.
[22:00:52] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, that's what it says...
[22:02:23] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: did you buy it from fanuc directly?
[22:02:37] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, my var files are 5161 thru 5490 and they are all alotted in that array
[22:02:50] <zeeshan|2> support costs $$
[22:03:18] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, and I dont know how to examine a #var in a terminal
[22:03:36] <R2E4_> IT was in the machinewhen I got themachine.
[22:03:44] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure either
[22:04:02] <zeeshan|2> do you have the motor manual?
[22:04:54] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, Cradek replied on wiki "
http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/lucid/emc2/index.php/french/forum/20-g-code/26416-numbered-parameters-persistence--how-many"
[22:05:07] <R2E4_> Dont need the motor manual. ned the drive manual and I have the maintenance manual for the drive, but that does meno good.
[22:05:35] <tjtr33> he said what skunkworks said, if you _add_ a var to the file, it becomes persistant, going to try now ( dunno whats NOT used already tho )
[22:05:41] <zeeshan|2> i can hook you up with fanuc's support manuals
[22:05:46] <zeeshan|2> that they give on a CD
[22:06:15] <zeeshan|2> is has the technical documents for servo and amplifiers
[22:06:32] <Tom_itx> use the user vars associated with gcode user parameters
[22:06:38] <Tom_itx> 1-5000
[22:06:49] <Tom_itx> those are global
[22:06:59] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan|2: post that business
[22:07:05] <zeeshan|2> wil lbe uploaded in 39 min
[22:07:08] <zeeshan|2> throwing it on dropbox
[22:07:14] <R2E4_> Can you check for Servo drive B-53425E
[22:07:17] <R2E4_> ok cool
[22:07:26] <R2E4_> WOW, thanks
[22:07:36] <humble_sea_bass> i'm going to bed. but would you mind doing a /msg for the link
[22:07:51] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:08:01] <humble_sea_bass> you are a king
[22:08:52] <R2E4_> Thanks man, If this works, you are not far, you can come use my shop, and my wife.
[22:08:59] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[22:09:11] <zeeshan|2> im installing and checking if its got that manual
[22:11:29] <R2E4_> The servo motor is A06b-1003 B300
[22:12:52] <zeeshan|2> all i see is
[22:12:56] <zeeshan|2> series 16i to 21i stuff
[22:13:12] <zeeshan|2> b-6xxxxx
[22:15:24] <humble_sea_bass> http://i.imgur.com/R4eiEf5.gif
[22:16:05] <humble_sea_bass> the internet isn't even trying to tell me about weird tricks
[22:17:31] <zeeshan|2> R2E4:
[22:17:35] <zeeshan|2> are you sure its called that?
[22:17:56] <zeeshan|2> when i google that, that says its a fanuc maintenance manual
[22:18:16] <zeeshan|2> b-52424e is the operators manual
[22:18:47] <zeeshan|2> you sure its not a alpha series servo amplifier?
[22:20:43] <zeeshan|2> okay from this manul im reading
[22:20:53] <zeeshan|2> a06b is stating its a ac server motor
[22:20:55] <zeeshan|2> alpha series
[22:21:09] <zeeshan|2> the 1 means its a taper shaft w/ brake (35N*m)
[22:21:21] <zeeshan|2> whoops
[22:21:26] <zeeshan|2> read the wrong number
[22:21:45] <zeeshan|2> that motor isnt an alpha series nm
[22:21:48] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, try MDI #5161=123.456 then (debug, #5161) to get a popup ,,, next look at file saved
[22:23:34] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, yah its in the saved .var file, now to use a previously unused var
[22:24:05] <R2E4_> no
[22:24:11] <jdh> anyone know what happens when you hook a low-inductance stepper up to a drive that says no low inductance steppers?
[22:25:40] <R2E4_> zeeshan|2: Thats the manual I have B-53425E, it is the maintenance manual.
[22:25:47] <zeeshan|2> yea
[22:25:58] <zeeshan|2> i think this might have something
[22:26:02] <zeeshan|2> that might help you
[22:26:04] <R2E4_> I ned the manual with the wiring and connections, and operating
[22:26:06] <R2E4_> Cool
[22:26:08] <zeeshan|2> its worth taking a look
[22:26:16] <zeeshan|2> i mainly used it to debug the controllers
[22:26:21] <zeeshan|2> never looked into wiring
[22:27:48] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, MDI #5160=876.54321 then (debug, #5160) to get a popup , this part worksm but its NOT saved to var file :(
[22:28:25] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, var file still begins at 5161, maybe 5160 belongs to something else
[22:28:26] <R2E4_> The bridgeports is just purring along....
[22:30:25] <Tom_itx> !bookmark
[22:30:36] <Tom_itx> for me so i can look at it tomorrow :)
[22:32:54] <tjtr33> #5170 is insode that domain, unused, but isnt stored when i set it. it looks like _only_ those in the array are stored, and _all_of those are used already ( have specific meaning )
[22:32:55] <Tom_itx> the range is from 5061-5070 then it jumps to 5161-5169
[22:33:12] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:34:00] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, so unless i stomp on one of the existing vars, i cant do it UNLESS i change the code to add new vars ( maybe thats what Cradek meant)
[22:34:31] <tjtr33> pretty simple, but unique ( nobody else would be able to use it )
[22:34:42] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:34:51] <tjtr33> thats all i got :)
[22:35:00] <Tom_itx> thanks
[22:35:05] <Tom_itx> it's not for me anyway
[22:35:08] <Tom_itx> but good to know
[22:35:20] <tjtr33> gnite, oh, gnite anyways
[22:44:13] <Tom_itx> A parameter file may include any other parameter, as long as its number is in the range 1 to 5400. The parameter numbers must be arranged in ascending order. An error will be signaled if not. Any parameter included in the file read by the Interpreter will be included in the file it writes as it exits.
[22:45:59] <Tom_itx> the tool table stores the pocket number
[22:46:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/tool_compensation_es.html#sec:tool-table
[22:46:30] <R2E4_> Be back in a few minutes, have to deliver these plates.
[22:46:34] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zky2z1biwtgjbuw/fanuc_manuals.zip
[22:46:37] <zeeshan|2> ^ fanuc manuals
[22:47:07] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, at end of array is entry RS274NGC_MAX_PARAMETERS which is defined in interp_internal.hh as 5602 so theres room for a bunch of new vars which are persistant
[22:48:01] <Tom_itx> i saw that as well
[22:48:32] <Tom_itx> but you still have to edit the array in the .cc file right?
[22:48:54] <Tom_itx> i was looking at the file
[22:49:35] <tjtr33> i think so, it looks clean, best run the devs in devel. state the reason first, rather than the proposed solution.
[22:49:38] <Tom_itx> also, they aren't all sequential
[22:50:36] <R2E4_> zeeshan|2: did you see mine oin there?
[22:50:46] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, correct, i didnt study the code loop yet. it would have to iterate from 5390 thru 5602 to be real helpful
[22:50:51] <zeeshan|2> i didnt look hard enough :P
[22:50:55] <zeeshan|2> open up main.pdf
[22:51:04] <zeeshan|2> and click manuals and amplifiers
[22:51:09] <zeeshan|2> see if you can find something useful
[22:51:28] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, you could add any number at the end of the array as long as it was above the previous one
[22:51:32] <R2E4_> OK, I am heading home and will download it in a while.
[22:51:34] <Tom_itx> and within the range
[22:51:53] <Tom_itx> i don't see why they don't just use the tool table data, it stores the tool number and pocket
[22:52:24] <Tom_itx> and if they pre index the changer it would start at a known location
[22:52:51] <Tom_itx> and if the tool in the changer doesn't match the tool table then shame on them
[22:53:40] <Tom_itx> anyway.. i'm out for tonight
[22:54:27] <tjtr33> gnite, and yes @ what you can add to the array
[23:33:55] <R2E4_> manual is not inthere.
[23:50:53] <somenewguy> jdh, I'd assume the current control circutry just can't respond fast enough?
[23:51:04] <somenewguy> but I am not sure
