#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-03-29

[00:01:32] <andypugh> When you can’t focus at less than 24 inches and are peering through a mask, it’s not easy,
[00:02:23] <XXCoder1> I'm starting to wonder why not create mask that uses cameras and filtering to see weld better
[00:03:31] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: how old are you
[00:04:29] <andypugh> Been done. Works wonderfully.
[00:04:45] <zeeshan|2> i use a miller helemt
[00:04:48] <zeeshan|2> mask
[00:04:51] <XXCoder1> oh. I guess still not common due to expense
[00:05:06] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: I think I am 47, but I keep losing count :-)
[00:05:30] <zeeshan|2> http://cf.mp-cdn.net/99/83/5467daec6c73f7df61c8911448a2.jpg
[00:05:32] <zeeshan|2> i use one of those
[00:05:36] <zeeshan|2> there is a big viewing area
[00:06:17] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[00:07:55] <humble_sea_bass> i love the large viewing area helmets
[00:08:33] <humble_sea_bass> i feel a lot more grounded
[00:08:35] <andypugh> My eyesight was really good until a few years ago, I need to accept that now it isn’t. 10 years ago I would show off by reading the printers name at the bottom of the eye-test chart. Not any more.
[00:09:09] <XXCoder1> really best thing to do is just adjust and move on
[00:09:25] <XXCoder1> my back fucked up in my middle 20s
[00:09:56] <XXCoder1> my musicles is cramping up constantly at random places, started in 20s, now its hella lot more fun
[00:10:04] <XXCoder1> whatever. lol
[00:10:28] <andypugh> Anyway, logoff time
[03:03:31] <Deejay> moin
[06:46:40] <jthornton> is there any reason to mill a pocket from the outside edge inwards?
[06:49:12] <archivist> you might be thinking of tool bending and cavity accuracy
[06:50:09] <archivist> or material support
[06:50:38] <jthornton> ah, ok
[06:54:20] <archivist> one of those job specific "it depends" questions probably
[06:55:06] <jthornton> yea, I was working on my pocket routine for my G code generator and wondering if that option was worth the code or not
[06:56:42] <archivist> or does one ask climb or conventional to get direction
[07:08:38] <R2E4_> mornin!!!
[08:00:05] <Loetmichel> *grmpf* i think its time to change that chain on the 50cc bike... the first links are beginning to loose contact to the rivets.. on the same note: 20 secs putting the chain back on the sprocket equals 30 mins of cleaning hands :-(
[08:03:47] <archivist> or 25 minutes wasted because you are using the wrong type of hand cleaner
[08:05:21] <R2E4_> After I pause and resume, Do I need to put it back in manual before I can stop program run?
[08:05:51] <R2E4_> I had to put it in auto to use pause/resume.
[08:05:58] <R2E4_> external buttons I am talking.
[08:15:16] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/360890117575?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D360890117575%26_rdc%3D1
[08:15:17] <zeeshan|2> omfg
[08:15:19] <zeeshan|2> i lost that bid
[08:15:21] <zeeshan|2> because
[08:15:28] <zeeshan|2> i tried to bid 50 seconds in and it said
[08:15:32] <zeeshan|2> 'can't bid from canada'
[08:15:39] <zeeshan|2> was too late for my friend to bid
[08:17:43] <archivist> aw
[08:18:44] <zeeshan|2> :{
[08:19:14] <zeeshan|2> lesson learned
[08:19:18] <zeeshan|2> try a 'small bid'
[08:19:21] <zeeshan|2> just to get a feel
[08:19:52] <archivist> small bids sometimes get the item :)
[08:20:39] <archivist> one of my levels was from ebay £21 +carriage £29 is total
[08:21:10] <zeeshan|2> lol
[08:21:29] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SPI-Machinist-Block-Level-w-Accessories-/191112536153?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7f31e059
[08:21:35] <zeeshan|2> this looks like the same level
[08:21:38] <zeeshan|2> under 'spi' brand
[08:21:49] <archivist> ok it is missing its original case but is in very nice condition
[08:22:19] <zeeshan|2> how can you tell
[08:22:26] <zeeshan|2> that its missing original case
[08:23:06] <archivist> the one I got
[08:23:12] <zeeshan|2> oh
[08:23:15] <zeeshan|2> thats not a big deal
[08:23:40] <archivist> posh tool and no case..... must make a case one day
[08:23:52] <zeeshan|2> lol
[08:24:03] <zeeshan|2> sounds like the previous owner
[08:24:05] <zeeshan|2> didn't care!
[08:24:56] <archivist> I took a picture of it a few days ago, could be time to upload
[08:25:15] <Tom_itx> i made a walnut case for my calipers
[08:25:16] <zeeshan|2> you have too many levels
[08:25:21] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/caliper.jpg
[08:25:25] <zeeshan|2> they're going to level you!
[08:25:37] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: that is nice
[08:26:08] <zeeshan|2> are those 'carbon fiber'
[08:26:09] <zeeshan|2> calipers
[08:26:23] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[08:26:34] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[08:26:42] <Tom_itx> they're likely too old for that
[08:45:52] <archivist> hrmph my usb automount has stopped working on this box, reboot or or find out what has hung ....
[09:11:49] <PetefromTn_> Morning fellow CNC Junkies!!
[09:12:53] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[09:23:56] <archivist> zeeshan|2, http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_03_29_measuring_tools/IMG_1748.JPG
[09:27:18] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.iracing.com/live/
[09:27:26] <humble_sea_bass> this track is crazy
[09:33:06] <PetefromTn_> Suzuka... Interesting. What the hell is that actually some kinda online f1 racing series?
[09:34:14] <humble_sea_bass> yeah. iracing.com -- it is simracing and these guys are beasts at it. I'm still driving the skip barber
[09:36:55] <PetefromTn_> Looks interesting...
[09:38:19] <humble_sea_bass> if you come across a used G25 or 27 racing wheel I suggest you grab it and give iracing a try. I remember you mentioning gokarting with the kids
[09:40:36] <PetefromTn_> haha never seen one of those before.. What do you set it up in your recliner and go F1 racing that is pretty sweet. From the sounds of it there are a bunch of folks racing in there. Do you have to start at the bottom in racing school?
[09:41:23] <PetefromTn_> haha it's got paddle shifters too!
[09:41:25] <humble_sea_bass> they start you with a rookie license and they have a thing called safety rating
[09:41:54] <humble_sea_bass> so you can practice anywhere with any car you own, but you can only do official races which your license allows
[09:42:19] <PetefromTn_> so you gotta buy your cars etc... I bet someone is making some money in this.
[09:42:58] <humble_sea_bass> the more laps/races you complete without incidents (off-road, crash, contact, loss of control) the more SR you gain or lose, at a certain threshhold they upgrade your license
[09:43:25] <humble_sea_bass> you get plenty of fun cars and tracks for the initial subscription
[09:44:03] <humble_sea_bass> like you don't have to buy a new car to progress until you get a C license which is a long long long time out
[09:44:42] <humble_sea_bass> I bought the skip barber for 12 bux i think because it is just a fun fun car and I'm in an unofficial league for skips
[09:44:45] <PetefromTn_> how much is a subscription?
[09:45:13] <humble_sea_bass> for a first time signup you can get it for as little as 8 bux a month
[09:45:58] <PetefromTn_> they deal it out like crack cocaine huh.... give you a little get you hooked and then stick in the needles for more LOL
[09:46:43] <humble_sea_bass> but if you are not into leagues and such, there is a new sim called Assetto Corsa which is just as good as iracing and it is something you buy once
[09:46:46] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.assettocorsa.net/en/
[09:47:27] <humble_sea_bass> You do get hooked, before you know it you're using your machine tools to make pretend pedals etc
[09:47:28] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE F1 racing and also Grand Prix Motorcycle racing and WSB but if I got one of those wheels and pedals and plugged myself into the TV I probably would never get anything done around here as it is LOL...
[09:48:11] <PetefromTn_> My wife would be beating me with rolling pins to get me off of it I LOVE racing games.
[09:49:02] <PetefromTn_> I remember years ago we bought my kids the first Playtstation 2 system and they had a SWEET F1 racing game. I tried it and before long I looked up and it was the next day and everyone was asleep on the floor around me hehehe
[09:49:06] <humble_sea_bass> Oh I know the feeling
[09:49:41] <humble_sea_bass> "oh guys, i just wanna what its like" *4 hrs later*
[09:49:57] <PetefromTn_> That game was awesome and being a big F1 fan I could not beleive how realistic the track was...
[09:50:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah 4 hours went by quick.... More like a whole day. I have a sickness.....:O
[09:50:32] <humble_sea_bass> sim racing games thankfully have moved to a track scanning arms race
[09:52:25] <humble_sea_bass> theyhttp://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gallery/3087/long-beach-overhead.jpg
[09:53:09] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.iracing.com/iracingnews/iracing-news/scanning-what%E2%80%99s-in-store-for-iracing-with-tony-gardner
[09:55:13] <PetefromTn_> jeez man that is just nutz... I LOVE monaco I guess they musta lazer scanned that track too.... Nothing like the sound of those F1 monsters screaming thru the tunnel.
[09:56:54] <humble_sea_bass> they don't have the rights for monaco yet last i checked
[10:03:05] <PetefromTn_> sounds like they went to great lengths to laser scan those tracks they do have and spent a whole awful lot of money to do it. No wonder they need to profit from it now with subscriptions.
[10:03:20] <PetefromTn_> I remember one time when I lived down in South Florida.
[10:03:34] <PetefromTn_> I had a good friend who I often rode sportbikes with.
[10:03:45] <PetefromTn_> He worked at Che Fong racing.
[10:04:19] <PetefromTn_> He told me he could use their plastic drag knife machine to make me some custom graphics for my bike I had just repainted.
[10:04:41] <PetefromTn_> So I visited their shop and they had a real serious shifter Kart racing team there.
[10:04:58] <PetefromTn_> I got to drool over their Karts while the mech worked on them sitting on the stands.
[10:05:09] <PetefromTn_> Unobtanium and carbon fiber abounded LOL
[10:05:27] <PetefromTn_> I guess I was drooling so much the mech asked me if I wanted to take a quick ride in one.
[10:05:41] <PetefromTn_> I was like hell I would LIKE to wipe the tires down let alone ride in it..
[10:06:36] <PetefromTn_> He said let me get the brakes bled which he did with a SWEET custom built tall acrylic tube thing that allowed him to see the fluid and pump the brakes and watch the bubbles rise up the tubes.
[10:07:09] <PetefromTn_> Then he had me help him carry it out back to a narrow road that ran behind the industrial park.
[10:07:39] <PetefromTn_> THey had a sorta small track laid out back there and he got in it put on his helmet and gloves and racing shoes and went blasting down that road.
[10:07:56] <PetefromTn_> I about crapped my pants at how fast it was.
[10:08:10] <PetefromTn_> I was used to a 1000CC Yamaha Sportbike.
[10:08:29] <PetefromTn_> He got back and let me take it for a ride after going over the controls and rules etc...
[10:08:44] <PetefromTn_> He said don't try to get over about 120 LOL...
[10:09:06] <PetefromTn_> So I got inside this thing after he adjusted the seat a bit and tried to take off.
[10:09:29] <PetefromTn_> I stalled it initially and he restarted it. I gave it some more gas and let out the clutch and took off.
[10:09:53] <PetefromTn_> I got rolling a bit and tried to give it some gas and OMFG that thing was ridiculous fast....
[10:10:05] <PetefromTn_> I honestly did not have the balls to floor it.
[10:10:43] <PetefromTn_> I was at the end of the road in a second or two and got a quick glance at the digital speedo before I had to howl on the brakes to turn at the end.
[10:10:48] <PetefromTn_> I saw 110 or so.
[10:11:25] <PetefromTn_> I hooked the wheel at the end and kinda slid it around the corner and about snapped my neck with the G forces and got it going back the other way.
[10:12:04] <PetefromTn_> Grabbed some more pedal and was back again to the doorway of the shop and they were laughing at me because I musta had a huge shit eating grin on my face LOL...
[10:12:17] <PetefromTn_> I was hooked after that but those damn toys are stupid expensive.
[10:14:40] <PetefromTn_> I would love to have one but my neighbors probably would not enjoy hearing that monster wailing up and down the street ;)
[10:16:10] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dGoZs_tZh8
[10:17:56] * Tom_itx reads parts of the pete monologue
[10:18:50] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Oh was I monologueing?? LOL sorry man
[10:19:16] <Tom_itx> it was entertaining
[10:19:51] <humble_sea_bass> i llike gokarts, but the wife was telling me to get ready to go out to brunch
[10:20:21] <Tom_itx> i had a racing cart i played with years ago
[10:20:34] <PetefromTn_> what kinda Kart?
[10:20:35] <Tom_itx> got it from a friend
[10:20:38] <Tom_itx> his design
[10:20:54] <Tom_itx> for road racing
[10:20:56] <humble_sea_bass> the most fun thing from engineering school was the SAE mini baja
[10:21:01] <humble_sea_bass> and the mini formula
[10:23:20] <Tom_itx> i took it to a large industrial parking lot on the weekends
[10:23:36] <PetefromTn_> those shifter karts are about as close as the average human will ever get to an F1 car...
[10:25:57] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.pointwise.com/theconnector/September-2011/Meshing-and-Formula-SAE-at-UTA.shtml
[10:26:11] <humble_sea_bass> SAE Formula for students, the best thing ever
[10:26:31] <humble_sea_bass> innumerable unfinished cars before the race getting put together
[10:29:59] <CaptHindsight> I think it will all devolve into demolition derby, back to the chariot races :)
[10:40:58] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[10:41:19] <miss0r> o/
[10:41:56] <miss0r> Anybody break something expensive lately?
[10:42:00] <miss0r> :)
[10:43:00] <IchGuckLive> Mh370 ;-)
[10:43:17] <miss0r> indeed :)
[10:43:35] <miss0r> they havent found it yet, have they?
[10:43:55] <CaptHindsight> space drones http://www.itworld.com/411888/classified-x-37b-space-plane-breaks-space-longevity-record
[10:44:28] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: Morning fellow CNC Junkies!! O.O
[10:44:54] <PetefromTn_> Hey ich!!
[10:45:13] <IchGuckLive> you got the second most hits on the log today
[10:45:17] * miss0r refers IchGuckLive to the fact that some have been up for a long time ;)
[10:45:30] <IchGuckLive> as zeeshan|2 does not sleep since weeks
[10:46:19] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: what a F1 qualy today
[10:47:53] <XXCoder2> hey ich
[10:48:16] <IchGuckLive> B)
[10:50:39] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: any news on the braille reader?
[11:03:26] <IchGuckLive> what a wonderfull wekend here in germany sun all day long till tuesday
[11:08:09] <miss0r> Would any of you guys know where I can but thoes dual colour melamine sheets? - Where if I mill the top off the colour underneath will show, i.e. use it to make milled signs
[11:08:54] <IchGuckLive> what size do you need
[11:09:41] <miss0r> I was thinking of buying a large sheet and cut peices my self
[11:09:59] <miss0r> large... hehe nothing larger than 2x2meters
[11:10:18] <IchGuckLive> 60x40cm is the main sheet
[11:10:46] <miss0r> I just have no idea where to get it, I have been searching quite a bit - I think I am calling it the wrong thing
[11:10:55] <miss0r> That will do fine, I can just order a few.
[11:11:57] <pcw_home> search for bi-color sign board
[11:13:08] <miss0r> Ebay does not seem to want to negotiate with that name
[11:13:23] <pcw_home> or better bicolor routed sign board
[11:13:54] <pcw_home> ebay search is not very good
[11:13:54] <PetefromTn_> Don't think it is melamine is it?
[11:14:08] <pcw_home> seems like mainly HDPE
[11:14:21] <miss0r> hmmm. I can't find any of this on ebay.
[11:14:38] <miss0r> I used to buy these signs already made, they were made from melamine
[11:15:42] <miss0r> Where are you guys searching?
[11:15:51] <pcw_home> google
[11:17:01] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fezGuuvvxxI I WANT ONE!!
[11:17:07] <miss0r> :) alright, I can find it on google now - thanks. I thought you had a looong list of this stuff on ebay, and I just couldn't find it :)
[11:18:51] <IchGuckLive> miss0r: Gravoply
[11:21:23] <Tom_itx> http://www.norplex-micarta.com/products/category-detail.php?page=29
[11:21:38] <Tom_itx> miss0r^^
[11:22:10] <miss0r> uhh... :) I was looking for someone located within the european union, due to the import taxes.
[11:22:20] <Tom_itx> details.
[11:22:49] <miss0r> ;)
[11:24:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.lawcris.co.uk/melamine
[11:26:22] <miss0r> I am looking at all this stuff. :) Thanks guys
[11:27:11] <tjtr33> for engraving boards try http://www.eplastics.com/POLYCARVE-SIGNBOARD-outdoor-HDPE-sheet or if your in a big city look at signage suppliers like http://www.jfreeman.com/products.html
[11:28:36] <miss0r> I havent yet been able to find a danish supplyer.
[11:29:37] <tjtr33> when i made lithophanes, i needed single color white melamine, and used square dinner plates.
[11:30:20] <tjtr33> miss0r, look for a trophy/engraving business and ask where they get theirs ( they usually make nameplates in 2 colors )
[11:31:03] <miss0r> indeed. I will call someone Monday. I think I've got an idea now :)
[11:31:07] <IchGuckLive> miss0r: pfeister hanover or in Flensburg at Conrad
[11:31:41] <tjtr33> dont limit yourself to melamine unless you have to ( most nameplates i've see are not )
[11:33:40] <IchGuckLive> HDPE
[11:34:18] <PetefromTn_> Huh here in USA when you say Melamine I know it as an industrial sheet particleboard made from wood sawdust and glues that has a very thin layer of plastic skin on it that is typically white. They make cheap ass cabinets from it and often industrial cabinets are made using it and skinned with laminate sheet to make it pretty...
[11:35:31] <tjtr33> the dinnerware from the 50's was melamine, and Alf was from the planet Melmac :) ( yes melamine verneers are common today )
[11:35:35] <miss0r> that product takes it name from the 'plastic' cover which is made of melamine
[11:37:24] <archivist> but was that just a trade name for what is now known as some generic name
[11:37:27] <PetefromTn_> huh I musta processed a million sheets of that crap and never knew that.... I always just figured it was the particleboard completed called melamine.
[11:37:59] <miss0r> Now you are making me doubt :)
[11:39:03] <IchGuckLive> miss0r: why dont you go to the neyt copy shop and look inside there catalog
[11:39:05] <tjtr33> oh, "engraving material" on ebay has the 2 color material I'm familiar with
[11:41:07] <miss0r> tjtr33, link?
[11:41:25] <miss0r> IchGuckLive, neyt copy shop?
[11:41:58] <IchGuckLive> http://stores.ebay.de/Werbematerialien-und-Gravierbedarf
[11:43:28] <tjtr33> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/engraving-material
[11:44:03] <miss0r> tjtr33, indeed :)
[11:44:27] <PetefromTn_> That stuff is just plastic sheet with two colors and is not too thick...
[11:44:30] <tjtr33> and IchGuckLive 's "Graviermaterial" in Deutsche
[11:45:08] <tjtr33> yeah thats what you make name plates with, the cut area is different color because its deeper
[11:45:24] <PetefromTn_> yup
[11:45:26] <CaptHindsight> not good for boat hulls
[11:45:34] <IchGuckLive> every good copy shop got this sheets even good model and hobby stores
[11:45:58] <miss0r> IchGuckLive, I'm not sure we even have 'good' shops in denmark
[11:46:03] <jdh> it's hard to cut well without a flat table and good Z
[11:46:25] <PetefromTn_> whaddya mean good Z?
[11:46:31] <jdh> mine is flat, but not well trammed
[11:47:08] <jdh> my router Z isn't so great. the colored width is Z dependent
[11:47:15] <tjtr33> right
[11:47:43] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, same problem as your countersink
[11:47:45] <jdh> we have a sign/nameplate maker at work, the cutter floats on the material
[11:47:53] <IchGuckLive> jdh with 2 colors no factor on 3 to 4 ;-)
[11:47:57] <PetefromTn_> problem....what problem. LOL
[11:48:11] <PetefromTn_> Just use a square bit problem solved..
[11:50:57] <tjtr33> in Denmark 'gravering' like this place http://www.sydfyns-sg.dk/
[11:52:01] <miss0r> I am looking for material for exactly something like this: http://www.sydfyns-sg.dk/DSCN2028.JPG-for-web-small-r.jpg
[11:52:40] <PetefromTn_> then you want that plastic stuff in those last ebay ads posted.
[11:52:50] <miss0r> indeed. looking at it now
[11:53:54] <tjtr33> i remember laying out the brass letter templates on a pantograph and cutting those plates. plastic was almost waxy
[11:55:25] <miss0r> I have to run, thanks for the help guys
[11:59:30] <PetefromTn_> as far as your table flatness and whatnot, just make a substrate, machine it flat using the mill and then use carpet tape to hold it down.
[12:00:49] <IchGuckLive> im off 2 bye
[12:08:53] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: carpet tape is great
[12:08:57] <Loetmichel> use it all the time
[12:09:04] <Loetmichel> even when milling aluminium ;-)
[12:11:21] <archivist> I hate the stick, it bends the metal when removing
[12:12:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I have some here and used it for engraving aluminum 1/4 inch stuff a few times.
[12:12:41] <PetefromTn_> Also used it to engrave plastic on my RF45..
[12:12:45] <archivist> and then the base needs cleaning else the next bit wont stick flat
[12:13:54] <archivist> I was cutting a snail cam for a clock out of thin brass
[12:19:15] <XXCoder2> pretty cool http://makezine.com/2014/03/29/toward-thingiverse-gov/
[12:19:38] <XXCoder2> carpet tape is that strong?
[12:23:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is pretty damn strong once it gets a good grab on something. My carpet in my living room has been stuck where it is on a hardwood floor despite dragging furniture across it and my Siberian husky ripping around the corners on it the thing never moves after several years.
[12:23:41] <Loetmichel> XXCoder2: the right one is...
[12:23:52] <XXCoder2> lol ok
[12:24:17] <XXCoder2> I still wonder how I should design my cnc bed. how do I design it so I can secure whatever to it
[12:24:17] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53RsosYwGg
[12:24:21] <Loetmichel> any questions?
[12:24:25] <XXCoder2> I dont think I want to use screws and such lol
[12:24:30] <XXCoder2> so carpet tape might help.
[12:25:00] <XXCoder2> secured by carpet tape, that?
[12:25:22] <Loetmichel> sure
[12:26:01] <PetefromTn_> LOL what was your DOC and feeds on that one Loetmichel?
[12:26:09] <Loetmichel> doc?
[12:26:16] <PetefromTn_> Depth of Cut..
[12:26:32] <Loetmichel> 0,5mm, 2mm 2 flute TC bit, f1200
[12:27:06] <Loetmichel> XXCoder2: just be sure that the metal stays cool
[12:27:13] <Loetmichel> aoterwise: flying bits ;-)
[12:27:20] <XXCoder2> cool. I would be mainly working with wood
[12:27:21] <Loetmichel> -a
[12:27:35] <XXCoder2> I would do alum only when making new cnc machine
[12:27:52] <tjtr33> for thin non-ferrous stuff we used 'hold-downs', made 'em out of strapping material http://its.foxvalleytech.com/MachShop5/Surfgrind/ISWorkHold.htm
[12:27:57] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: and the block is 7075
[12:28:12] <tjtr33> you need a mag chcuk tho to hold down the hold-downs :)
[12:28:47] <tjtr33> any one who has ground graphite electrodes has 'em
[12:29:57] <PetefromTn_> for a router with light cuts in wood or aluminum as long as the material surface is adequate enough in area that carpet tape will work fine.
[12:30:11] <XXCoder2> what do you guys use to make sure material is parallel to X?
[12:30:21] <PetefromTn_> DTI..
[12:30:45] <archivist> a bit of parallel steel
[12:30:57] <archivist> a square
[12:31:01] <Loetmichel> dti?
[12:31:02] <tjtr33> against a reference edge
[12:31:08] <tjtr33> indicator
[12:31:14] <PetefromTn_> or a well setup vise squared with a DTI LOL...
[12:31:20] <PetefromTn_> Dial test indicator..
[12:31:28] <archivist> whatever is in reach that does the job
[12:31:31] <XXCoder2> cool. I will figure whats best way later. thanks/
[12:32:00] <XXCoder2> If nothing else I can just move cnc bit up and down see how well material edge are parrel to bit moving
[12:32:12] <Loetmichel> XXCoder2: i drill 2 1/8" holes in the workplate with the CNC , insert broken mill bit shafts, press the workpiece against them wenn taping it to the workplate and removethe shafts -> done ;-)
[12:32:15] <PetefromTn_> Or if it is not that critical you can put a piece of round stock in your spindle and clamp one end of the part lightly and run the round stock down the side pushing it into alignment..carefully.
[12:32:35] <CaptHindsight> has anyone profiled their routers? What accuracy do they actually have?
[12:33:11] <PetefromTn_> Dismal most likely LOL...
[12:33:35] <tjtr33> no, but run the supplied CDS program and measure it ( circle diamond square is a machine accuracy test )
[12:34:32] <tjtr33> http://server2.smithy.com/media/pdf/CNC%20CDS%20Test.pdf
[12:35:14] <XXCoder2> thats cool tj
[12:36:03] <tjtr33> thanks NIST
[12:36:13] <tjtr33> but ty too
[12:36:47] <XXCoder2> from what I understand circle is hardest to do, diamond I guess to test X and Y evenly
[12:38:04] <tjtr33> hmmm """It’s real name is “NAS 979; Composite cutting test″""" if you want the white paper
[12:38:29] <skunkworks> really? I didn't know that...
[12:39:03] <tjtr33> news to mee google is great
[12:39:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mds-laser.com/renishaw/circlediamondsquare.html
[12:41:05] <tjtr33> look at the references at end of this http://utwired.engr.utexas.edu/lff/symposium/proceedingsArchive/pubs/Manuscripts/2010/2010-01-Cooke.pdf
[12:41:59] <tjtr33> yeah renishaw ball bar would be nice, or the heidenhain grid, but CDS is free
[12:42:49] <CaptHindsight> heh, their argument is that material is lost :) so not free
[12:43:46] <CaptHindsight> there is no substitute for measuring with actual tools and materials
[12:44:46] <CaptHindsight> but it's a faster way to get a new machine aligned
[12:45:15] <tjtr33> we used it to look for backlash at axis reversal on circle interp
[12:45:33] <tjtr33> backlash/stiffness
[12:46:03] <PetefromTn_> ballbar test is best but that NIST test is interesting. wonder how my VMC would perform in it..
[12:46:12] <archivist> there needs to be an opensource version of that test
[12:46:27] <PetefromTn_> sounds like it is open source no?
[12:46:57] <archivist> the ballbar test :)
[12:47:00] <tjtr33> CDS.ngc is in your nc_files dir
[12:47:02] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see results posted from DIY 3d printers
[12:47:13] <tjtr33> oh (scusa)
[12:47:24] <CaptHindsight> the +- would me in mm
[12:47:27] <PetefromTn_> you can but one and run it yourself but they are NOT cheap LOL..
[12:47:57] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, use the wooden balbar for carpenter accurate gluegins
[12:49:55] <tjtr33> i think the ballbar is two magnetic ball sockets and an lvdt, likely could make a linuxcnc diy version
[12:50:05] <CaptHindsight> I have finish up my 5-axis cake and pastry decorator
[12:50:23] <tjtr33> oooh sailor moon cupcakes
[12:50:50] <tjtr33> gotta go, getting stoopid here
[12:50:58] <CaptHindsight> heh
[12:54:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgxKd_nkv2E 3d printed bagpipes, and people said they are useless
[12:55:34] <PetefromTn_> Heh that is freakin' pretty cool actually.
[12:56:16] <CaptHindsight> https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.net/projects/903260/video-360918-h264_high.mp4
[12:56:29] <XXCoder2> yeah useless stuff can be cool I guess. for me printed bagpipes is useless and meh.
[12:58:21] <PetefromTn_> How is it useless he is playing the damn things man... You may not LIKE bagpipes but you can print your own jollies if you want hehehe
[12:59:27] <XXCoder2> well when you dont have sense its made for.. ;)
[13:00:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140329-using-3d-printing-to-make-ear-implants-with-memory.html
[13:00:37] <XXCoder2> well my ears is intact and working. it lack all wiring
[13:01:08] <CaptHindsight> they used nerve cell connections in the tongue for vision
[13:01:24] <CaptHindsight> has it been tried for sound?
[13:01:28] <XXCoder2> heard of it, interesting indeed
[13:01:35] <XXCoder2> sound I dont think so
[13:01:57] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to ask around
[13:02:22] <XXCoder2> I dont mind trying it out as long as its not perment lol. just for shit and giggles
[13:02:38] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news180125418.html
[13:02:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKd56D2mvN0
[13:03:03] <archivist> this woman got wired the other day http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26784669
[13:03:05] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7LcNUxcQ8Y
[13:04:01] <XXCoder2> brains is amazing thing allright
[13:04:13] <XXCoder2> I bet you we would be making brain addons someday
[13:04:16] <XXCoder2> like new senses
[13:04:25] <XXCoder2> people are doing that already
[13:04:32] <XXCoder2> heard of magnetic north belt?
[13:04:52] <CaptHindsight> the problem XXCoder2 mentions is missing the wiring, so you have to use other nerves and the brain amazingly rewires and adapts
[13:07:00] <XXCoder2> http://www.gradman.com/hapticcompass
[13:08:05] <CaptHindsight> it will probably end up being used as an invisible fence for children
[13:09:00] <zeeshan|2> archivist: you don't need all those levels! sell me one :)
[13:09:12] <zeeshan|2> p.s. that level you posted is very nice
[13:09:37] <archivist> zeeshan|2, but, then I would have one less
[13:09:45] <zeeshan|2> you have 3 now!
[13:09:50] <zeeshan|2> two box levels right?
[13:09:51] <archivist> 4
[13:09:54] <zeeshan|2> haha
[13:10:20] <zeeshan|2> i better win that spi one
[13:10:23] <zeeshan|2> for less than 130$
[13:10:25] <archivist> :)
[13:11:03] <archivist> once you start collecting tool type toys you cannot stop
[13:11:14] <zeeshan|2> haha
[13:11:34] <zeeshan|2> clearly your name reflects your hobbies
[13:11:47] <archivist> I admit nothing
[13:13:03] <archivist> I used to volunteer in archives too
[13:13:18] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestibulocochlear_nerve
[13:26:33] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://www.gizmag.com/nerve-prostheses-interface-scaffolds/21646/ what if these were just under the skin (or possible replacing a small patch of it) and you just stimulate the interface?
[13:27:06] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: the sensation of reading braille without using bumps or motion
[13:27:36] <somenewguy> haha
[13:28:05] <somenewguy> i think I found myself a new shop! and at less than I was expecting, I might be getting a new toy sooner than expected too
[13:33:13] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: but if the tongue interface works for interfacing to actual image sensors, why not a braille type reader that sits in your mouth?
[13:33:41] <CaptHindsight> bluetooth tongue pad
[13:34:20] <CaptHindsight> no moving parts
[13:35:39] <XXCoder2> some, you might want tp explain more. you got new shop job or what?
[13:36:40] <PetefromTn_> somenewguy COngrats...I think.
[13:39:15] <PetefromTn_> heya nick
[14:12:11] <Nick001-shop> hi Pete
[14:12:48] <Deejay> hi nick and pete from tennessee
[14:16:09] <PetefromTn_> Hey deejay!!
[14:16:29] <Deejay> :) hey
[14:16:43] <Connor> PetefromTn_: What's up ?
[14:17:25] <PetefromTn_> PM...
[15:28:00] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, 10um rez scanner http://ludiaocnc.en.alibaba.com/product/721927572-213849467/hot_sale_3d_scanner_for_cnc_router_with_high_precision_and_low_cost.html
[15:28:37] <tjtr33> no need to spin object , no need for background pattern
[15:29:35] <XXCoder2> "low cost"
[15:29:48] <XXCoder2> man we need real low cost scanners.
[15:31:18] <tjtr33> true, its expensive, then it gets understood, then it gets hacked ( CaptHindsight may already have the DLP projector ( major chunk of the monies))
[15:31:55] <XXCoder2> for type iof scanner that uses grid of light to figure shapes?
[15:32:27] <tjtr33> not sure, they dont say much
[15:33:35] <XXCoder2> ok
[15:33:48] <XXCoder2> I wonder if my eyeclops one could be abused for that lol
[15:34:04] <XXCoder2> for $50 its amazing projector
[15:40:32] <XXCoder2> concept for sturtcured light 3d scan is simple
[15:40:38] <XXCoder2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured-light_3D_scanner
[15:42:41] <tjtr33> i agree it looks like structured light ( project a pattern , look for pattern deformation) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn5e2Zz2EEM
[15:44:36] <tjtr33> hmmm, scan the Parthenon, push into google Glass in big dark room = holodeck for architecture students, cool
[15:44:38] <XXCoder2> that videos pretty cool
[15:44:48] <XXCoder2> 2 cameras seem to really ramp up accuracy
[15:45:07] <tjtr33> i think they 'stitch' multiple scans
[15:45:15] <XXCoder2> it is.
[15:45:39] <XXCoder2> they rotate newly scanned part till close enough and it auto stitches
[15:46:30] <XXCoder2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c07iM1Unkfk
[15:46:54] <XXCoder2> more facy, its all automated
[15:46:57] <MrHindsight> I get HD DLP's for ~$100 (just the DMD)
[15:47:21] <tjtr33> hehe cant rotate relief carvings on ancient temples http://www.shining3dscanner.com/en-us/case_anguosi.html
[15:47:47] <tjtr33> good deals, my epsons were 200 and i thought i was doing great
[15:48:35] <MrHindsight> I get Epson HD LCD's for ~$70
[15:48:56] <tjtr33> and mibe are not hd ( good enuf for tiny drive in theater )
[15:48:58] <MrHindsight> it looks like structured light, 1 projector and 2 cameras
[15:49:02] <XXCoder2> how do you just use dmd?
[15:49:49] <MrHindsight> Cloud point accuracy 0.01mm
[15:50:14] <MrHindsight> XXCoder2, you drive it with a FPGA
[15:50:44] <XXCoder2> interesting
[15:51:20] <tjtr33> is 10u good enuf for your work MrHindsight ?
[15:51:41] <XXCoder2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZP8IP8WydAw
[15:52:00] <MrHindsight> so even with off the shelf projectors and cameras ~$1500 in parts with good lenses
[15:52:35] <tjtr33> any open src projects that you'd recommend?
[15:52:58] <MrHindsight> with bargain parts and VGA res maybe $500
[15:53:28] <XXCoder2> you can get led projector for $50 shitty resolution
[15:54:01] <MrHindsight> http://www.instructables.com/id/Structured-Light-3D-Scanning/
[15:57:32] <tjtr33> university of cypress http://www.3dunderworld.org/software/
[15:59:00] <MrHindsight> http://blog.shapegrabber.com/2012/06/optical-3d-scanning-laser-beam-or-structured-light.html
[16:00:03] <MrHindsight> on reflective shiny parts you just coat them with powder
[16:00:37] <XXCoder2> nice blog entry
[16:02:09] <PetefromTn_> That is some pretty cool stuff. I wonder what the precision of the model is after it is scanned.
[16:02:38] <XXCoder2> from what I see, stuctured light is easiest to do with crappy hardware
[16:02:46] <XXCoder2> webcam and some $100 projector lol
[16:03:44] <PetefromTn_> We got a part in at work yesterday that was a simple arc'd steel bar with bored holes at each end. They had to make another dozen of them to match it. It went on the CMM to get a model to work from but it took awhile. This looks like it is MUCH faster and easier but like I said I wonder how precise the model actually is afterwards.
[16:04:21] <XXCoder2> no idea. probably not percrise enough if you want to accurately repoduce something
[16:04:38] <XXCoder2> its good if you wanna make something like orginial, if not exact
[16:11:25] <XXCoder2> check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0PqmUMt_wJQ#t=735
[16:11:28] <MrHindsight> parts with features under 10um are usually pretty small
[16:11:37] <XXCoder2> it was good enough to capture faint mold lines
[16:12:15] <XXCoder2> "glass" got screwed up though lol
[16:13:03] <MrHindsight> how well a laser or structured light scanner works has a lot to do how well you put it together...
[16:13:20] <XXCoder2> indeed
[16:13:24] <MrHindsight> just like any other machine, printer, etc
[16:14:13] <XXCoder2> the better projector, camera(s), the better resolution
[16:14:17] <XXCoder2> less error too
[16:14:44] <MrHindsight> ok 0 lash on the printer now and only killed one Chinese bearing doing it
[16:17:21] <XXCoder2> just one, nice
[16:41:57] <MrHindsight> the way to make a laser scanner faster would be to use multiple lasers and cameras
[16:42:30] <MrHindsight> maybe at 90 deg ea, that way they won't interfere with each other
[16:43:20] <MrHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPywgDBjM1Y low res version using a wine glass stem as a lens
[16:46:11] <XXCoder2> interesting
[16:46:20] <XXCoder2> I'd rather buy glass rod though
[17:19:39] <Deejay> gn8
[19:17:38] <jdh> anyone have a CAD of a BK10 block?
[19:21:13] <zeeshan|2> nah
[19:21:16] <zeeshan|2> only bk12 and bk20
[19:23:16] <PetefromTn_> http://www.smi4motion.com/smi2/images/stories/products/components/endsupportbearings/bk-dimensions.png
[19:23:24] <jdh> http://www.smi4motion.com/smi2/images/stories/products/components
[19:23:46] <jdh> oops
[19:23:48] <jdh> Pete: no dims
[19:24:33] <PetefromTn_> http://www.smi4motion.com/smi2/products/end-support-bearings/abba-bk-series-fixed-side.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_main_layout_endsupportbearings_noprice.tpl&product_id=3918&category_id=218
[19:26:04] <zeeshan|2> my model is parametric
[19:26:16] <zeeshan|2> if you want!
[19:26:33] <jdh> got the dims for the mounting holes
[19:26:50] <zeeshan|2> lol @
[19:26:53] <zeeshan|2> bk10 $192
[19:26:55] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[19:27:25] <jdh> I have a .stp of it, but no clue how to flatten it
[19:27:39] <zeeshan|2> what do you mean
[19:27:40] <zeeshan|2> flatten it
[19:27:50] <jdh> I just want the mounting holes
[19:27:52] <PetefromTn_> you want a .dxf of it that is pretty easy..
[19:28:11] <zeeshan|2> i learned how to read step files
[19:28:19] <zeeshan|2> just a couple weeks ago in my cad course
[19:28:28] <XXCoder2> can always use inkscape to make exact shapes then export as dxf
[19:28:29] <zeeshan|2> its confusing!
[19:28:45] <XXCoder2> or use some convertor. dunno if inkscape has dxf export
[19:28:49] <jdh> I pulled it in to solidworks, but I have no idea how to use solidworks
[19:28:59] <zeeshan|2> what are you trying to do
[19:29:09] <PetefromTn_> freecad can take a .stp and export as .dxf as do many other cad programs
[19:29:37] <zeeshan|2> if youre trying to use the 3d model
[19:29:41] <zeeshan|2> to get the bolt hole dimensions
[19:30:07] <zeeshan|2> click the evaluate tab
[19:30:14] <zeeshan|2> click the measure (measuring tape icon)
[19:30:31] <zeeshan|2> click the face of the hole
[19:30:42] <zeeshan|2> and the other face of the hole and by default it will give you center to center distance
[19:31:10] <PetefromTn_> Solidworks can export the .dxf too just select the view you want and grab it in the tree and export as .dxf as I recall.
[19:31:46] <zeeshan|2> why would you want a dxf
[19:32:03] <zeeshan|2> when you can dimension it as a solidworks drawing
[19:32:07] <zeeshan|2> i b confused
[19:32:10] <jdh> to import
[19:32:27] <jdh> I saved it from SW as a dwg and it imported fine
[19:32:28] <PetefromTn_> depends on his cam program he may not have 3d cam..
[19:32:41] <zeeshan|2> ah
[19:32:57] <PetefromTn_> sheetcam would need a .dxf or as he did a .dwg to machine the bolt holes.
[19:37:13] <jdh> cut2d, same issue
[19:40:04] <PetefromTn_> If you have solidworks you might be able to use their free cam HSMworks or whatever it is called..
[19:41:24] <zeeshan|2> i like the mastercam plugin for solidworks
[19:41:45] <zeeshan|2> honestly, i personally love siemens nx now
[19:41:57] <zeeshan|2> you can do everything in it with the exception of proper fea/cfd
[19:42:17] <PetefromTn_> you should buy it then..
[19:42:27] <zeeshan|2> i already bought it
[19:43:19] <zeeshan|2> it was a whopping 100$
[19:43:48] <PetefromTn_> Great I will give you $120 for it...
[19:43:53] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:44:06] <zeeshan|2> its student edition
[19:44:09] <zeeshan|2> it only lasts for 5 years
[19:44:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah we know..
[19:47:03] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/302620 The Cat40 fixture I designed in freecad opened in CamBam... Pretty cool.
[19:48:06] <zeeshan|2> why is the graphics all choppy
[19:49:16] <PetefromTn_> Its a setting in camBam I did not set to max to make it run faster..
[19:49:33] <PetefromTn_> Freecad has something similar.
[19:49:58] <PetefromTn_> And it is not Solidworks and Mastercam....
[19:50:11] <zeeshan|2> fail
[19:51:56] <PetefromTn_> are you enjoying yourself?
[19:52:00] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:52:11] <zeeshan|2> i love putting down your freecad and cambam nonsense
[19:52:28] <PetefromTn_> Really I did not realize that..
[19:52:57] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: if you say 'i use freecad and cambam' at a job interview
[19:53:15] <zeeshan|2> i guarantee you won't get the job
[19:53:28] <zeeshan|2> unless its a small time company
[19:53:39] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty funny because that is exactly what I told them when I got the job I just started temporarily..
[19:53:53] <zeeshan|2> yet they're using mastercam
[19:53:58] <zeeshan|2> which you're trying to learn
[19:54:09] <PetefromTn_> I was honest with them and told them I cannot afford Mastercam and Solidworks
[19:54:17] <PetefromTn_> Then showed them pictures of parts I made..
[19:54:23] <PetefromTn_> They were impressed..
[19:54:39] <PetefromTn_> and I did not go there looking for a job I was there to find offload work for my machine.
[19:55:19] <PetefromTn_> they OFFERED me a job and that was with no professional experience and no formal schooling...
[19:55:42] <zeeshan|2> small company
[19:55:43] <zeeshan|2> prolly
[19:55:50] <PetefromTn_> If I could afford Mastercam and solidworks I would have them...
[19:56:00] <PetefromTn_> well what is your definition of a small company?
[19:56:07] <zeeshan|2> just cause you can't afford solidworks/mastercam
[19:56:12] <PetefromTn_> They have like ten machining centers
[19:56:17] <zeeshan|2> doesn't mean you need to get in arguement with me everytime
[19:56:26] <zeeshan|2> about how freecad/cambam arent mainstream software
[19:56:26] <PetefromTn_> about nine turning centers
[19:56:33] <PetefromTn_> three or four EDM machines,
[19:56:40] <zeeshan|2> sounds like apretty standard job shop
[19:56:41] <PetefromTn_> a waterjet machine,
[19:56:42] <zeeshan|2> small size
[19:56:49] <PetefromTn_> a complete fab shop.
[19:57:03] <PetefromTn_> a metrology center with CMMs
[19:57:14] <PetefromTn_> in a building about the size of a small wal mart.
[19:57:29] <zeeshan|2> i have a hard time a company like that
[19:57:38] <zeeshan|2> would hire someone with no experience in mastercam/cad
[19:57:42] <PetefromTn_> and I did not get into an arguement with you you started bashing my software...
[19:57:54] <zeeshan|2> and trust them with machines worth more than a house
[19:58:04] <zeeshan|2> unless its just simple machine operator work
[20:00:12] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_:
[20:00:15] <zeeshan|2> lets have a competition
[20:00:34] <zeeshan|2> freecad vs solidworks,nx,inventor
[20:00:41] <zeeshan|2> lets see who can make the part the fastest
[20:00:57] <zeeshan|2> and then after that, we will change the part
[20:01:05] <zeeshan|2> to be of different sizes and see whos part grows correctly
[20:01:12] <zeeshan|2> lets do it!
[20:01:36] <zeeshan|2> then after that, lets spit out g-code for a simple 3 axis mill
[20:01:46] <zeeshan|2> to mill out the profiles using standard end mills
[20:02:37] <PetefromTn_> so I am supposed to be impressed that your student version of a megabuck program will smoke my free and cheap programs?
[20:02:58] <zeeshan|2> not only will it beat it in speed
[20:03:09] <zeeshan|2> it'll not crash
[20:03:24] <zeeshan|2> also will do it with less features
[20:03:36] <PetefromTn_> what the hell does crashing have to do with the software?
[20:03:41] <zeeshan|2> everything
[20:04:00] <zeeshan|2> theres a huge reason why the famous ones are famous
[20:04:04] <zeeshan|2> and the small ones have died out
[20:04:37] <PetefromTn_> Thats funny because the shop I am temporarily working in has all of those expensive programs and the newer versions of them and they still occasionally have crashes...
[20:04:44] <zeeshan|2> b/s
[20:05:12] <zeeshan|2> now that's just pure slander
[20:05:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:05:16] <zeeshan|2> i'm done talking
[20:05:28] <zeeshan|2> you keep living in your little world of freecad + cambam
[20:05:30] <PetefromTn_> Crashing has nothing to do with the programs and everything to do with the operators/programmers...
[20:05:38] <zeeshan|2> i'm not talking about machine crashes
[20:05:41] <zeeshan|2> im talking about program crashes
[20:06:00] * XXCoder2 wisely stays out
[20:06:04] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: !
[20:06:21] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: let us compete!
[20:06:23] <zeeshan|2> cmon
[20:06:52] <PetefromTn_> ya know man you have been very helpful to me with my modbus control setup and other things... for that I am holding back here. It gets real old you talking trash about programs you cannot afford..
[20:07:06] <zeeshan|2> just download a warez copy
[20:07:07] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:07:31] <PetefromTn_> Neither can I.
[20:07:40] <XXCoder2> free awesome warez. most has free addons like viruses too lol
[20:07:41] <PetefromTn_> so I use what I can afford.
[20:07:53] <PetefromTn_> it works fine for my needs here.
[20:07:56] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: lies
[20:07:57] <zeeshan|2> :D
[20:08:14] <PetefromTn_> I have already programmed several parts with it and ran them everything worked exactly as I expected.
[20:08:15] <zeeshan|2> solidsquad has got that stuff down right
[20:08:31] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: just cause it works for your applications
[20:08:35] <zeeshan|2> doesn't mean its an industry standard
[20:08:43] <PetefromTn_> never claimed it was....
[20:11:08] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: absolutely concur
[20:11:21] <Loetmichel> to the "i use what i can afford"
[20:12:01] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: even if you cant believe it: there ARE households where no warez are allowed, and decidedly so
[20:12:40] <PetefromTn_> Honestly the vast majority of the parts they make in the shop there are very very simple and could easily be done in my 2d sheetcam program. They do some 3d work but most of it is also simple.
[20:13:24] <PetefromTn_> The wheels I posted and the scope rail I just posted pics of are quite a bit more complex than anything I saw made there in the last two weeks I worked there LOL.
[20:13:31] <zeeshan|2> kiss
[20:13:36] <zeeshan|2> keep it simple stupid!
[20:13:42] <zeeshan|2> hopefully parts are complex everyday
[20:13:48] <zeeshan|2> that'd be costing the end customer $$$
[20:14:01] <zeeshan|2> are not
[20:14:31] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel: cool
[20:14:37] <PetefromTn_> The customers design the parts...vast majority of the time.
[20:14:40] <zeeshan|2> i don't care what PetefromTn_ uses
[20:14:52] <zeeshan|2> but when he comes an tries to get in arguement with me when im recommending some other software
[20:14:56] <zeeshan|2> that irritates the fuck out of me
[20:15:27] <PetefromTn_> And it irritates the fuck out of me when you recommend that software to a guy who has a benchtop mill....
[20:15:49] <zeeshan|2> i recommend that because them learning a real software
[20:15:54] <zeeshan|2> is much more valuable to them then learning 'freecad'
[20:16:28] <XXCoder2> so free stuff arent real software?
[20:16:28] <PetefromTn_> it is only valuable to them if they intend to make a living from it...
[20:16:31] <XXCoder2> like ubuntu
[20:16:43] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: you intrepreted real wrong
[20:16:51] <zeeshan|2> by real i mean 'industry supported applications'
[20:16:58] <zeeshan|2> ie if you go to make a career out of it
[20:17:07] <zeeshan|2> you'll unlikely find freecad at a real company
[20:17:07] <PetefromTn_> Ya got to understand that MOST of the folks in here are not making thier livings with CNC machines and programming...
[20:17:43] <XXCoder2> I certainly know I'm not. well unless weird stuff happens and I start cnc biz, and it's still my own cnc and software
[20:18:11] <PetefromTn_> to most of the people in here this is just a hobby or something to do on a very small scale.
[20:18:23] <zeeshan|2> so you're telling me
[20:18:29] <XXCoder2> I can't wait to even get there.
[20:18:30] <zeeshan|2> im the only industry working person in here?
[20:18:33] <zeeshan|2> b/s
[20:18:41] <zeeshan|2> im sure there are others like me
[20:18:45] <PetefromTn_> For me I am trying to make some money from it and I have quite limited resources so I do what I can.
[20:18:59] <PetefromTn_> I did not say EVERYONE is a hobbyist I said MOST of them are...
[20:19:01] <zeeshan|2> i guess im not _most_ people then
[20:19:24] <zeeshan|2> to me its more than a hobby
[20:19:33] <PetefromTn_> as it is to me....
[20:19:35] <zeeshan|2> every bit of experience i gain from messing around with this stuff
[20:19:42] <zeeshan|2> i can apply to real industrial applications
[20:19:51] <zeeshan|2> thats why i've tried to learn as many cad software was possible
[20:19:53] <PetefromTn_> why do you think I accepted this temporary job?
[20:20:01] <zeeshan|2> cause at the end of the day, its just a 'cad' modeler
[20:20:08] <PetefromTn_> I have learned a TON just in the last two weeks...
[20:20:35] <zeeshan|2> tell me why you think they use mastercam
[20:20:36] <zeeshan|2> and not cambam
[20:20:57] <PetefromTn_> Cmon' man get real... You and I both know the answer to that.
[20:21:10] <zeeshan|2> no i don't
[20:21:18] <zeeshan|2> if i take your perspective
[20:21:25] <zeeshan|2> companies should never be spending money on software
[20:21:27] <zeeshan|2> and should be using cambam
[20:21:30] <PetefromTn_> There are folks who think mastercam is a joke... but it is a great program regardless..
[20:21:43] <zeeshan|2> mastercam is a joke to people who don't understand how to use it
[20:21:54] <zeeshan|2> just like most people think linux is retarded because of how hard it is to use
[20:22:05] <zeeshan|2> so i take peoples opinions very lightly.
[20:22:19] <PetefromTn_> No actually it is a joke to folks who use it... Lots of comments made about it on pro forums all the time.
[20:22:32] <zeeshan|2> so why do they keep using it
[20:22:33] <zeeshan|2> when its so bad?
[20:22:40] <zeeshan|2> why not use cambam
[20:22:43] <PetefromTn_> Usually by folks who have switched to another Cam...
[20:22:58] <PetefromTn_> Because it is NOT bad. Just old looking UI.
[20:23:04] <zeeshan|2> i really don't think mastercam is the best
[20:23:10] <PetefromTn_> CamBam is quite limited in comparison.
[20:23:10] <zeeshan|2> i think nx cam is the best
[20:23:20] <zeeshan|2> nx has some sexy toolpaths for hard machining
[20:23:24] <PetefromTn_> and you use mastercam and know it apparently.
[20:23:27] <XXCoder2> so far theres no free cam. too bad
[20:23:46] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: the thing is you don't even need a camsoftware
[20:24:06] <zeeshan|2> just go back to the good old days and write g-code by hand :)
[20:24:06] <XXCoder2> I know, can write gcode directly. I has zero skill.
[20:24:09] <PetefromTn_> I disagree..
[20:24:29] <zeeshan|2> i mean for basic stuff you dont even need a camsoftware
[20:24:52] <XXCoder2> it's just another language I can learn, but I hate weird abstract naming system. Maybe I should write a higher level language that compiles into gcode.
[20:24:54] <PetefromTn_> I have been hand coding stuff at the shop I am working in because I do not know mastercam yet.
[20:25:09] <PetefromTn_> but it is a PIA compared to even my simple CamBam.
[20:25:14] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i still want to know why you think the shop is using mastercam
[20:25:26] <PetefromTn_> I already told you.
[20:25:43] <zeeshan|2> you just said that you and me both know the answer
[20:25:45] <PetefromTn_> Most of the shops around here use it.
[20:25:47] <zeeshan|2> but im telling you, i dont know the answer
[20:25:51] <zeeshan|2> yea, but why?
[20:25:59] <zeeshan|2> are they addicted to wasting money
[20:26:03] <PetefromTn_> probably because it has been used for years now..
[20:26:14] <zeeshan|2> still doesn't explain the fact that why people swap from mastercam
[20:26:15] <zeeshan|2> and go to nx
[20:26:23] <PetefromTn_> you yourself admitted there are better programs...
[20:26:40] <zeeshan|2> i agree
[20:27:00] <zeeshan|2> if you're running a production line and every second counts
[20:27:02] <XXCoder2> this nx cam? http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/nx/for-manufacturing/cam/index.shtml
[20:27:11] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: yes
[20:27:15] <XXCoder2> ok
[20:27:21] <zeeshan|2> you know why nx rocks?
[20:27:30] <zeeshan|2> you can do cam and cad
[20:27:33] <zeeshan|2> right within the software
[20:27:38] <PetefromTn_> actually a production line has less need for it than a job shop I think....
[20:27:41] <zeeshan|2> if you change a hole location
[20:27:44] <zeeshan|2> the g-code automatically updates
[20:27:50] <zeeshan|2> to account for that new hole location
[20:28:01] <zeeshan|2> i know you can do that with the mastercam plugin for solidworks
[20:28:01] <XXCoder2> that feature set - $3,000 or more I bet
[20:28:02] <PetefromTn_> yes I am aware..
[20:28:03] <zeeshan|2> but its a lot harder to work
[20:28:25] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: when i say production line, i mean limited batches of things
[20:28:27] <XXCoder2> I cant find pricing info - $10,000+.
[20:28:34] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: its about 20,000$
[20:28:35] <PetefromTn_> would you believe my sheetcam does that.....
[20:28:38] <zeeshan|2> for the entire package
[20:28:44] <XXCoder2> zee see, I'm presicent
[20:29:06] <XXCoder2> I can tell pricing merely from website design
[20:29:16] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: any cam software these days can easily do 2d stuff
[20:29:25] <zeeshan|2> tis when you get into multiaxis (>3 axis)
[20:29:33] <zeeshan|2> when some of the others shine.
[20:29:40] <PetefromTn_> sure..
[20:29:41] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: haha
[20:30:04] <zeeshan|2> i mean siemens is the turbine company
[20:30:24] <zeeshan|2> they've done extensive studies on tool path generation for turbines and propeller blades
[20:30:36] <zeeshan|2> to increase productivity, decrease residual machining stresses
[20:30:37] <zeeshan|2> etc
[20:30:52] <zeeshan|2> wouldn't it make more sense to use their software if you're trying to make turbines?
[20:30:56] <zeeshan|2> or impellers
[20:31:02] <PetefromTn_> I don't understand why you feel the need to argue about how amazing and powerful these top line programs are...nobody here including me is disagreeing with you.
[20:31:17] <zeeshan|2> cause i really think, if you're going to learn a software
[20:31:25] <zeeshan|2> you might as well invest the time to learn an industry standard one
[20:31:29] <zeeshan|2> if you had learned mastercam
[20:31:35] <XXCoder2> yeah $20,000 is $19,850 more than I am prepured to pay for cam
[20:31:35] <zeeshan|2> you'd be worth more
[20:31:48] <PetefromTn_> even if you have NO HOPE of ever affording it?
[20:31:49] <XXCoder2> hell my car pricing you can buy 10 of my car at that software price
[20:31:53] <zeeshan|2> and its relatively easy to get student versions of it
[20:31:54] <zeeshan|2> very very easy
[20:31:57] <zeeshan|2> that arent illegal
[20:31:59] <zeeshan|2> when you're trying to learn
[20:32:13] <XXCoder2> when software costs 10x my car I rather buy better car
[20:32:18] <PetefromTn_> Again this is assuming one would WANT To make a career from CNC...
[20:32:33] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this is my mentality
[20:32:44] <PetefromTn_> Why do you think I asked you to send me the videos of mastercam?
[20:32:55] <zeeshan|2> let me try to think of a good example
[20:32:58] <PetefromTn_> I want to learn to use it so I can make more money if I work for someone else...
[20:33:18] <PetefromTn_> But for what I do here in MY shop what I am using is MORE than adequate.
[20:33:52] <zeeshan|2> i can't think of a good example
[20:33:53] <zeeshan|2> :p
[20:33:53] <PetefromTn_> I agree that learning a top line program is better than learning a cheap or free one...
[20:34:00] <PetefromTn_> Let me ask you this quesion?
[20:34:05] <zeeshan|2> yea
[20:34:25] <PetefromTn_> there are folks who make a GREAT living doing computer animation and website design right.
[20:34:59] <zeeshan|2> i'd thinkso yes
[20:35:03] <PetefromTn_> and there are specific softwares that are perfect for that work that are quite expensive.
[20:35:20] <PetefromTn_> places like industrial light and magic etc.
[20:35:31] <zeeshan|2> honestly i dont know enough about that stuff
[20:35:42] <zeeshan|2> i just know that you won't find a copy of 'openoffice'
[20:35:45] <zeeshan|2> @ a company
[20:35:51] <PetefromTn_> There is a program called BLender that is capable of much the same thing and it is completely free...
[20:35:52] <zeeshan|2> you'll likely find ms office
[20:36:00] <zeeshan|2> so when you're asking to do something, and dont know how to use it, it sux
[20:36:10] <XXCoder2> blender is pretty good from what I see
[20:37:11] <PetefromTn_> if you can program and draw and make videos in it and learn it well you better believe that if you ever got the chance to work for a company similar to ILM you would be able to move over to the expensive programs relativley easily.
[20:37:35] <zeeshan|2> you prolly wont get hired to begin with
[20:37:41] <zeeshan|2> and if you do, you're lucky
[20:37:50] <zeeshan|2> with the way competition is these days
[20:37:58] <zeeshan|2> most people know the main stream software
[20:38:06] <zeeshan|2> to be competitive, you should know more than one already
[20:38:09] <PetefromTn_> I am here to tell you that even tho I did not learn Cad Cam using Solidworks and Mastercam I have used them both and have been now watching tutorials of Mastercam and MOST of what I learned is very similar if not the same in the expensive programs.
[20:38:30] <zeeshan|2> yes
[20:38:34] <zeeshan|2> because you;re using _basic_ features
[20:38:37] <XXCoder2> its network that gets jobs
[20:38:50] <PetefromTn_> The expensive programs are just more polished and seamless than the cheap or free ones.
[20:38:57] <PetefromTn_> agreed...
[20:39:07] <PetefromTn_> I AM using the basic features.
[20:39:15] <PetefromTn_> but so is the shop I am working in.
[20:39:36] <zeeshan|2> well then i dont understand why theyre using mastercam
[20:39:38] <zeeshan|2> theyre silly
[20:39:58] <PetefromTn_> If I went to work in a shop that made compressor blades as you mentioned earlier there would be a MUCH steeper learning curve if I got in at all...
[20:40:36] <PetefromTn_> they are not silly they are a pro shop that uses industry standard program because it is what everyone else uses.
[20:40:36] <zeeshan|2> at the end of the day, i rather recommend a tool that has more functionality
[20:40:45] <zeeshan|2> can do the basic stuff, and can does advanced stuff
[20:40:48] <PetefromTn_> that is PERFECTLY fine..
[20:41:19] <zeeshan|2> and since i know them the best
[20:41:22] <PetefromTn_> just don't recommend it to folks who have no interest in working in the field and only need a cheapass cad cam to make their benchtop CNC router to work.
[20:41:27] <zeeshan|2> ofcourse ill perfer working with others and recommending it to others
[20:41:38] <PetefromTn_> and also who have no hope of LEGALLY getting and using the programs.
[20:42:40] <XXCoder2> I'm still waiting on next check to buy cambam lol
[20:42:51] <PetefromTn_> I recommend CamBam here because for the MONEY and for the applications it works in it is quite capable surprisingly capable for what it is and is a GOOD fit for people who are hobbyists that want a decent cam.
[20:42:53] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: thats your choice
[20:42:57] <zeeshan|2> at the end of the day
[20:43:45] <zeeshan|2> this arguement all started with jdh
[20:43:55] <zeeshan|2> wanting a model of bk10
[20:43:58] <zeeshan|2> damn you jdh.
[20:44:19] <zeeshan|2> i had one made of bk 12 and bk 20 in solidworks
[20:44:26] <PetefromTn_> There are other better programs of course and I have not tried them all but the ones I have tried CamBam has got them beat pretty good.
[20:44:27] <zeeshan|2> which he has
[20:44:29] <zeeshan|2> and then you got bitter
[20:44:31] <zeeshan|2> for some reason
[20:44:40] <PetefromTn_> NO actually YOU got bitter...
[20:44:45] <zeeshan|2> yes
[20:44:53] <zeeshan|2> 'beat them pretty good'
[20:44:57] <zeeshan|2> see thats what annoys me about you
[20:45:05] <zeeshan|2> i think its best i just block you
[20:45:12] <zeeshan|2> best way to end this conversation
[20:45:18] <PetefromTn_> why?
[20:45:27] <PetefromTn_> because you disagree with me?
[20:45:56] <PetefromTn_> I quite enjoy talking with you about other stuff...
[20:47:26] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/191112536153?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[20:47:29] <zeeshan|2> i better win this tommorrow
[20:47:30] <zeeshan|2> !
[20:48:10] <PetefromTn_> That is nice. Wonder what it costs new?
[20:54:20] <XXCoder2> dunno, dont know much about that thing
[20:54:59] <zeeshan|2> its a level
[20:55:08] <zeeshan|2> to level your machinery
[20:55:12] <zeeshan|2> frigging archivist has 4 of them
[20:55:18] <zeeshan|2> theyre stupid expensive
[20:55:37] <XXCoder2> hm wouldnt regular level work?
[20:56:31] <zeeshan|2> no not accurate enough
[20:56:54] <zeeshan|2> this one is like 0.0005" over 7" span
[20:57:06] <zeeshan|2> so it can detect the minutest angle error
[20:57:21] <zeeshan|2> you basically stop machine flexing and can also use the level to setup parts
[20:57:31] <zeeshan|2> (reason for leveling right)
[21:10:29] <PetefromTn_> I need to try to snipe a nice Interapid or Mitu DTI on Ebay here soon.
[21:10:55] <XXCoder2> cars?
[21:11:18] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[21:11:50] <XXCoder2> ah dial measurement
[21:11:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-030-Travel-0-0005-Dial-Test-Indicator-Universal-Pro-Magnetic-Base-/350840996260?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51afc0c1a4 Or cheap out and buy this from Shars LOL
[21:11:59] <XXCoder2> that sure looked like car brand names
[21:12:17] <XXCoder2> not bad
[21:13:01] <PetefromTn_> heh yeah Dodge Intrepid and Mitsubishi LOL..
[21:13:17] <XXCoder2> :D
[21:14:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISS-TYPE-DIAL-TEST-INDICATOR-0-06-GRADE-0005-/350976415532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b7d3172c Hey this looks like a decent chinese copy of the Interapid..
[21:15:06] <XXCoder2> maybe, I dont know enough unfortunately/
[21:16:24] <PetefromTn_> my current DTI is also chinese and it has been pretty decent compared to the expensive ones at work but I LIKE Those interapid ones... Just about three times the price or more.
[21:18:25] <Connor> I think the inside tongs on my digital calipers are out of spec.. I think I might use analog micrometer to verify them...
[21:18:28] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Universal-Flexible-Magnetic-Base-Holder-Stand-Dial-Test-Indicator-Tool-/171164861489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27da388431 LOL check this out... The Chinese DTI on this ebay ad is called a MITUTOGO hehehe man that is AWFULLY close to MITUTOYO I think....
[21:18:48] <jdh> can you drill/tap 0.375 Al for 1/4-20 without losing too much metal?
[21:18:50] <Connor> the outside jaws are on the nose. Cross checked with 1" and 2" calibration
[21:19:25] <Connor> jdh: How do you mean ?
[21:20:21] <PetefromTn_> you asking if you can tap into a piece of .375 thick material with a .25 tap lengthwise then yeah there will not be much material left...
[21:20:45] <PetefromTn_> depending on what the threads hold it might or might not be fine LOL.
[21:21:38] <tjtr33> nx? the entry from open source ecology says ""Price is "it doesn't matter if you ask or not - you can't afford it". This is what they use to design nuclear submarines. ::
[21:21:39] <PetefromTn_> Connor you can take your standards that came with the mic and set the mic to that width and then check them with the calipers to see what you get.
[21:22:21] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I did that for the outside jaws.. (main ones) and they're dead on.. it's the ones for doing ID that are out of spec..
[21:22:53] <Connor> Can't use the calibration standards that came with the mic to check that.. Will have to use the mic itself.. :)
[21:22:55] <PetefromTn_> That is what you are testing here. Setup the mic on say the 1" standards and lock the mic.
[21:23:27] <Connor> okay.. yea.
[21:23:37] <PetefromTn_> then take the mic and measure that width with the calipers inside between the mic
[21:23:42] <jdh> Pete: right, through the side
[21:23:53] <PetefromTn_> what do the threads hold?
[21:24:06] <jdh> stepper motor mount
[21:24:13] <Connor> 1/4 ?
[21:24:20] <Connor> I would use #10's for that probably.
[21:24:27] <jdh> it's 3/8"
[21:24:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah you might want to go thicker if there is any torque on it.
[21:24:34] <Connor> No 1/4" screw..
[21:24:38] <jdh> yeah
[21:24:39] <Connor> I would use #10 scres..
[21:24:52] <Connor> screews..
[21:25:01] <PetefromTn_> you making ROUND standoffs?
[21:25:11] <jdh> maybe I'll remake it out of 0.25 and bolt it in to the 0.5 instead
[21:25:35] <Connor> Phase II mounts ?
[21:25:38] <Connor> or what ?
[21:25:47] <jdh> X motor mount for the lathe
[21:25:53] <Connor> Oh
[21:25:58] <jdh> but, they all look about the same
[21:26:25] <PetefromTn_> Make some turned standoffs on the lathe from maybe 1/2 inch round stock?
[21:27:11] <PetefromTn_> Mitutogo.... that's hilarious.
[21:30:08] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-Hydraulic-Magnetic-Base-Fine-Adjustment-1-Dial-Indicator-001-NEW-/350840363724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51afb71acc These actually look decent.
[21:33:20] <tjtr33> what part is hydraulic?
[21:35:05] <PetefromTn_> Well if it is anything like the Noga models the rods have hydraulics in them. You loosen that big knob and everything is slackened up and you can basically move everything in any direction. Then you get it close and tighten slightly to where there is some tension and get your DTI close and then once it is where you want it tighten the knob and it locks everything down tight.
[21:35:35] <PetefromTn_> Then finally there is a find adjustment that swings in an arc so you can bring the DTI to bear against the surface you are trying to test.
[21:36:15] <tjtr33> ok, the ball socket gets tensioned by the joint knob. duh, ok
[21:36:19] <PetefromTn_> I tried one at work the NOGA brand the other day the guy just got and it is pretty nice. MUCH easier than the dual locking setup of my old style ones.
[21:37:05] <PetefromTn_> it is also easy to get it set for a kinda loose tension for moving it where you need it and then locking it down. Pretty sweet I never used one before..
[21:41:11] <humble_sea_bass> when I got a noga i was overwhelmed and my eyes watered up
[21:42:16] <humble_sea_bass> it was like I was a neanderthal banging rocks, and then... the future
[21:42:22] <PetefromTn_> LOL they are nice...
[21:42:48] <PetefromTn_> do you really have one?
[21:43:44] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, one that fits on the spindle and another on a base.
[21:44:21] <PetefromTn_> they are like $150 for the mag base ones dunno about the spindle ones... is the spindle one hydraulic as well>
[21:45:10] <humble_sea_bass> i didn't know that is how they worked, i just got a deal on them a few months ago from a dealer here
[21:45:24] <humble_sea_bass> well, got a deal on the spindle one, 55 bux
[21:46:30] <R2E4_> evening folks!
[21:46:55] <PetefromTn_> I did not know either.. I always figured they were just similar with locks on each joint that maybe were not visible in the pictures. Then I played with his new Noga and it is real sweet. I cannot tell you how many times I fought with my cheapass one on the lathe trying to measure runout but the damn arms would not cooperate or the locks refused to move smoothly.
[21:47:03] <PetefromTn_> Evening R2
[21:55:47] <R2E4_> howz it going?
[21:55:54] <R2E4_> Tool changer?
[21:58:24] <tjtr33> hmmm nogas are nice but you gotta mention the indicol, damn handy, and as stiff as your spindle. tram edges and bores
[21:59:20] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah you got one of those? Which models...
[21:59:46] <tjtr33> dunno, bought it in 1970 as an apprentice, theeres differnt models?
[22:00:15] <PetefromTn_> I dunno.. dont have one.
[22:00:33] <tjtr33> std tool for bport work
[22:00:53] <tjtr33> maybe not so good for cnc spindle
[22:01:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah just searched it on ebay yeah that is for bport spindle style setup apparnetly you could probably attach it to other spindles tho. Would not work I think on my Cincinatti.
[22:02:10] <tjtr33> heh you need a bigass indicol
[22:02:11] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan posted a pic of a hydraulic one that goes in the spindle yesterday that looked like a NOGA for a good price but I can't find it.
[22:05:19] <tjtr33> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/32065-nf1018-noga-magnetic-indicator-base-accessories.html
[22:06:17] <PetefromTn_> Damn that is pretty good price...
[22:06:33] <PetefromTn_> Wish I was not so damn broke all the time I would order some of this better stuff LOL.
[22:06:43] <PetefromTn_> Need to get some work in here for the mill so I can do that.
[22:06:49] <tjtr33> never had a co-ax but wished i did many times http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/291094551571?lpid=82
[22:06:51] <XXCoder2> lol money everyone always wants more
[22:06:55] <humble_sea_bass> pete thats the one I gots for the spindle
[22:07:37] <PetefromTn_> I have a coaxial Indicator for my spindle, just like that one. Chinese made but it works okay.
[22:07:58] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass NICE man.
[22:08:12] <tjtr33> nice, ive often has a couple dowel pins or holes as reference for rework
[22:08:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I bought it for.
[22:09:17] <PetefromTn_> It is also nice for picking up OD of parts in the mill vertically.
[22:09:48] <tjtr33> yah, better than i regular indicator and a skirt check. to easy to make a mistake in a mirror
[22:10:05] <PetefromTn_> When I got mine the shaft it rides on the end had runout.
[22:10:54] <PetefromTn_> I took it apart and turned it in the lathe smaller and got it much better. now it spins nice and smooth.
[22:12:32] <PetefromTn_> But honestly a GOOD DTI on a nice rigid arm is probably just as good.
[22:12:47] <tjtr33> i got a bit more plaster & lath to take down, bbl
[22:21:08] <R2E4_> Reoaired my coolant pan today.
[22:21:36] <PetefromTn_> how did you wind up doing it?
[22:21:39] <R2E4_> jeez. repaired my coolant pan today.
[22:22:02] <zeeshan|2> hey guys
[22:22:09] <zeeshan|2> any ideas for organizing taps and drill bits?
[22:22:20] <zeeshan|2> i have tons of like 1/4 taps for some reason
[22:22:27] <zeeshan|2> so making 1 indexer isnt an option
[22:22:46] <R2E4_> Weled panels to fixthe small holes. two of them. Then coated it with special epoxy, and paint.
[22:22:48] <humble_sea_bass> make an indexer and put away extras
[22:22:50] <zeeshan|2> like my taps go like 15x1/4-20
[22:22:59] <zeeshan|2> then like 4x 3/8
[22:23:08] <zeeshan|2> so the quantity varies
[22:23:15] <zeeshan|2> humble_sea_bass: nice idea but where do i keep the extras
[22:23:17] <PetefromTn_> nice that is how I did it too... works great so far.
[22:23:25] <R2E4_> I put all my taps, andI have hundreds in a metal box. That way, I know where they all are.
[22:23:26] <zeeshan|2> same thing happens with my drill bits
[22:23:37] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: mine are kinda shoved in one drawer of the toolbox
[22:23:40] <R2E4_> When I need them I rummage through until I find the one I need. Works every time.
[22:23:42] <zeeshan|2> but its a pain in the butt to find the right sze
[22:23:48] <PetefromTn_> I keep all my endmills, drills, and taps in my roll around.
[22:24:30] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.planomolding.com/subCategory.php?CID=136
[22:24:36] <PetefromTn_> I use some soft liners and try to keep them in some kinda order.
[22:24:38] <humble_sea_bass> I use these for things which are extra
[22:24:41] <zeeshan|2> humble i have those
[22:24:44] <zeeshan|2> but they wont store all of em
[22:25:06] <R2E4_> Plastic??? Been there, done that. plastic breaks.
[22:25:07] <zeeshan|2> you know what'd be nice?
[22:25:15] <zeeshan|2> putting dividers in the toolbox
[22:25:19] <humble_sea_bass> dude, you won't need more than one tap at any given moment
[22:25:33] <humble_sea_bass> these planos have adjustable dividers
[22:26:52] <PetefromTn_> At work they have an old metal case that was used to hold plans or maps...
[22:27:10] <PetefromTn_> They made plywood inserts for them and machined lots of pockets in them.
[22:27:11] <humble_sea_bass> a flat file?
[22:27:14] <R2E4_> Must have put 30 gallons of water ion coolant tank.
[22:27:31] <zeeshan|2> humble i understand that iwont need more than 1 tap
[22:27:33] <PetefromTn_> They keep the taps and endmills organized in those wide deep drawers..
[22:27:38] <R2E4_> Not putting a drop of coolant in it until tomorrow. See if itleaks. Lost a ton of coolant last time.
[22:27:38] <zeeshan|2> you're saying just throw the extras in one big box?
[22:28:07] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 Yeah that is what I did.. left it overnight with just water in it sitting outside.
[22:28:09] <XXCoder2> pete yeah thats what I suggested zee last time. just grab some wood strip put holes in em for bits
[22:28:35] <XXCoder2> very cheap
[22:28:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah that works too but these are actually rectangular pockets in a pattern.
[22:28:58] <PetefromTn_> all the bits lay flat in the shallow drawers.
[22:29:09] <zeeshan|2> heres another one
[22:29:13] <PetefromTn_> You can open a drawer and view probably a couple hundred bits.
[22:29:13] <zeeshan|2> how do you organize the reamers?
[22:29:47] <XXCoder2> I guess one could cnc a pattern on some lamted wood sheet to hold all kinds of bits.
[22:29:51] <XXCoder2> exact shapes
[22:30:05] <humble_sea_bass> throw the extras into a neatly organized segregated big box
[22:30:13] <humble_sea_bass> cold storage if you will
[22:30:29] <zeeshan|2> i'll forget about em :{
[22:30:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what they did. Looks nice and clean, holds tons of bits.
[22:30:41] <zeeshan|2> today i found some wrenches that ididnt even know i had
[22:30:48] <humble_sea_bass> you don't keep a hard copy index of your tool locations
[22:30:49] <humble_sea_bass> what
[22:30:59] <zeeshan|2> nope
[22:31:08] <zeeshan|2> each drawer is labeled
[22:31:10] <humble_sea_bass> well, come back when you stop being a criminal
[22:31:15] <R2E4_> I got two jobs sitting on mybridgeport. hehe, dont want toknownothing about them until myvmc isworking....lol
[22:31:28] <zeeshan|2> huh
[22:31:39] <XXCoder2> did I miss something? criminial?
[22:31:57] <PetefromTn_> he was kidding with zeeshan.
[22:32:04] <XXCoder2> lol ok
[22:32:14] <humble_sea_bass> I am likening his inability to log what tools he owns to a felony
[22:32:55] <zeeshan|2> well humble_sea_bass chances are if i forget about them
[22:32:59] <zeeshan|2> theyre prolly not needed =D
[22:33:00] <PetefromTn_> that bridgie of yours looks nice man. There is a guy near me who has a small shop that has one he wanted me to retrofit it for him.
[22:33:10] <XXCoder2> I probably would start off with just 3 bits - ballnose, flat and that fine finisher thingy (very thin cone with flat bottom)
[22:33:20] <humble_sea_bass> i hate buying things twice is all
[22:33:29] <XXCoder2> maybe cone type one for nice effects.
[22:33:38] <R2E4_> IT would be a really retrofit. I am waiting until m,y original bridgeport control dies toretrofit it.
[22:33:44] <R2E4_> I think it will outlive me.
[22:33:45] <PetefromTn_> always nice to have spare bits for when you screw up
[22:34:17] <XXCoder2> guys is there such a thing as physical store that sells 8020 beams and such?
[22:34:17] <humble_sea_bass> I also like to know I have spares
[22:34:30] <PetefromTn_> That thing is HEAVY!! I think it is a series 2 model with the rigid head.
[22:34:52] <humble_sea_bass> a store? doubt it
[22:35:09] <XXCoder2> yeah doubted it. too bad, would save bunch on shipping.
[22:35:38] <humble_sea_bass> well, check electrical supply house
[22:35:42] <R2E4_> The series 2 is heavier thant the series 1
[22:36:24] <PetefromTn_> which one is yours?
[22:37:50] <R2E4_> I have a series 1 with boss 9. Servos.
[22:37:51] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/112-Plastic-Boxes-Organize-Small-Parts-Hobby-Hardware-/350416067776?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51966cdcc0
[22:37:52] <zeeshan|2> this looks
[22:37:56] <zeeshan|2> like the right way!
[22:38:21] <PetefromTn_> I saw pictures of it on your facebook page you linked here.
[22:38:26] <R2E4_> My VMC iscomingalonmg. I ran gcode all day today. Messing around, with no issues at all.
[22:38:28] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a nice machine.
[22:38:41] <PetefromTn_> excellent.
[22:38:57] <PetefromTn_> is your spindle working?
[22:38:59] <R2E4_> I am attempting to run my spindle tomorrow.
[22:39:13] <XXCoder2> R2E4_: any updated pics of machine?
[22:39:19] <XXCoder2> or still look same?
[22:39:22] <R2E4_> I think I have it figured out.
[22:39:27] <PetefromTn_> You get that working you can make those parts on the VMC without the toolchanger.
[22:39:44] <R2E4_> yeah I know....hehe
[22:40:20] <R2E4_> looks the same, except it is working....hehe
[22:40:49] <R2E4_> I woke up at 5 this morning, couldnt go back to sleep so I wnet to the she shop andstarted working onthe machine.\
[22:40:55] <XXCoder2> lol ok
[22:41:17] <R2E4_> I am at a point where everything I donow, shows up as something else working.
[22:41:44] <PetefromTn_> I have been kinda lazy today. MEANT to work on the machine but spent time with family inside instead. Not gonna get it done like that I know I know.
[22:42:02] <XXCoder2> meh always worthwhile to be with family sometimes.
[22:42:21] <R2E4_> well, you gots to keep them happy too.
[22:42:36] <zeeshan|2> machines can be replaced
[22:42:38] <zeeshan|2> family cant
[22:42:38] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[22:42:43] <PetefromTn_> My wife has been gutting all the closets and cleaning up and purgins stuff in case we sell the house to move.
[22:42:53] <R2E4_> MAchines listen toyou, family dont....
[22:42:55] <PetefromTn_> exactly right..
[22:43:14] <XXCoder2> I am currently considering bumping off some of my other hobby to fund cnc
[22:43:22] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: whats your other hobby
[22:43:30] <XXCoder2> its not like I have been playing with them lately
[22:43:37] <humble_sea_bass> don't say blow
[22:43:40] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:43:41] <XXCoder2> I generally collect lego
[22:43:43] <R2E4_> Please dont say dolls.
[22:43:46] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[22:43:51] <XXCoder2> does minifigs count?
[22:43:57] <PetefromTn_> I am considering selling some other tools to fund some better machininst tools.
[22:44:05] <zeeshan|2> my other hobby is my rx7
[22:44:10] <zeeshan|2> but lately i dont enjoy it as much
[22:44:17] <zeeshan|2> its more fun building stuff
[22:44:21] <XXCoder2> I wont sell few of my riciously rare lego stuff lol
[22:44:32] <XXCoder2> prototype ghost in red and black lol
[22:44:36] <zeeshan|2> back to organizing garage
[22:44:36] <zeeshan|2> =/
[22:45:12] <PetefromTn_> Watching Jet Li's Fearless... Love this movie.
[22:45:47] <R2E4_> PetefromTn_: I see I will be ok, up untill toolchanger. I will need to kfind help with it I think cause I will have to do a Y mpove during toolchange.
[22:46:47] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 You and me both man. That part is most complex. I could not do it at all without help from the folks here and Connor. I am gonna owe him big time when it gets workign LOL.
[22:46:51] <R2E4_> All buttons are working on my control panel. Including pause/resume and cycle start
[22:47:28] <R2E4_> I see he is writing code for yours. I wont beable to do that.
[22:47:57] <PetefromTn_> I would think it will be usable for you since your setup will be kinda similar
[22:48:32] <R2E4_> Your Z ismoving during change right?
[22:48:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah hopefully...
[22:49:45] <R2E4_> My Y needs to move. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmvUlqs67dk
[22:49:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I saw the video the other day.
[22:50:55] <PetefromTn_> it is different from mine but the movement happens at the same time as mine needs to.
[22:51:25] <PetefromTn_> I suppose if we can find a way to move the Z to a certain two points moving the Y should be a simple change.
[22:51:59] <PetefromTn_> Mine has a toolchange height as well as a safe height above the tool shank.
[22:52:13] <R2E4_> yeah, thats probably true. You Z axis 2?
[22:52:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah axis number 2
[22:53:22] <R2E4_> My Z needs to beat machine Z0, so that is kind of easy. Then I have to interlock the Z and X so they dont move and start the toolchange.
[22:53:48] <R2E4_> Whats bizarre is it goes pas the home, then past the limit switch.
[22:55:20] <PetefromTn_> huh did not consider the interlocking necessity but on that machine it might be.
[22:55:50] <PetefromTn_> Of course my machine the X and Y can do pretty much whatever they wanted during a toolchange and it would not matter for the most part.
[22:56:04] <R2E4_> There is a fourth switch on the Y, after the limit, that is called interlock.
[22:57:11] <R2E4_> When it is on that switch, I'll just disable X and Z motion.
[22:58:11] <R2E4_> My Z is on my Y axis. your Z is stationary? You table moves X and Y?
[22:58:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah...
[22:59:19] <R2E4_> I cant get over how smooth my axis's are, even at 350ipm.
[22:59:37] <PetefromTn_> AC servos rock huh...
[23:00:18] <R2E4_> yeah, I ranmy Y back and forth must have been a hundred times and it repeated within .0005 all day.
[23:01:08] <R2E4_> The repeatability is amazing.
[23:01:52] <PetefromTn_> it is a shame you were not able to use the machine before with the original control so we could hear how it differs with linuxCNC.
[23:04:12] <R2E4_> Your using CamBam?
[23:04:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is all I can afford right now...
[23:05:05] <R2E4_> The emc2 post for my Cam software doesnt have toolchange possibility built in.\
[23:05:14] <R2E4_> I will probably go with CamBam.
[23:05:25] <PetefromTn_> thats wierd..
[23:05:53] <PetefromTn_> It is really just the M6 call and compensation. Are you sure it cannot be added to your post?
[23:06:20] <PetefromTn_> what software is it?
[23:06:23] <R2E4_> IT canbe added, I just dont know what it needs other than the M6 call.
[23:06:32] <R2E4_> Aspire
[23:06:50] <PetefromTn_> do you use cutter compensation with it?
[23:06:55] <R2E4_> I am using it for my bridgeport. I had to modify it for the bridgeport also.
[23:07:14] <R2E4_> on my router yes.
[23:07:22] <PetefromTn_> Thats typical.. each control likes to see certain things.
[23:08:01] <XXCoder2> just letting ya guys know - if using cambam and openscam (heh) don't use tool #0 index in cambam, openscam starts at tool #1 and "default" dont work
[23:08:03] <PetefromTn_> Does your code call the next tool with TX M6 G43 HX?
[23:08:42] <PetefromTn_> Did not know you could use tool zero in CamBam.. interesting.
[23:08:44] <R2E4_> I'd have to check. Not with the emc2 post....lol
[23:08:59] <XXCoder2> pete or "undefined" tool I guess
[23:09:35] <PetefromTn_> The CamBam post for EmC2 is pretty limited as well we had to tweak it a bunch to get it to do what I wanted and I am sure it will need further tweaking once the toolchanger is working.
[23:09:44] <XXCoder2> my smiley face toolpath didnt work in openscam due to this. bit was way too small and not long enough so it magically hollowed block out lol
[23:10:21] <R2E4_> There is allways this one. http://heeks.net/
[23:10:29] <XXCoder2> that'd be day, cnc magically controlling bit thats not even attached and floating. that'd allow bits to hollow out wood
[23:10:45] <XXCoder2> heeks dont work for me. it crashes when I change stuff
[23:11:00] <XXCoder2> wood or whatever material
[23:12:01] <PetefromTn_> Ichgucklive uses Heeks I think at least he has some youtube videos about it.
[23:12:21] <XXCoder2> I dont know why heeks dont run well on my pc
[23:12:35] <R2E4_> There must be a reason.
[23:12:46] <XXCoder2> it forcecloses each time I modify stuff like move circles
[23:12:53] <XXCoder2> I was trying to make smiley face in it
[23:13:05] <R2E4_> too much lego and doll porn on your cpomputer.
[23:13:12] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[23:13:17] <XXCoder2> lol
[23:14:58] <R2E4_> There nmust bea toolchanging post for Linuxcncand CamBam.
[23:15:22] <XXCoder2> dunno but you can define tool each section? of cuts
[23:15:31] <XXCoder2> like part 1, so on
[23:15:34] <PetefromTn_> honestly the toolchange part I think is just the tool callout with M6...
[23:16:05] <R2E4_> and iot waits for a return?
[23:16:28] <PetefromTn_> the only difference is the control will either use an auto tool change or the control will ask you to insert the new tool .
[23:16:45] <PetefromTn_> All that happens in the linuxCNC control has not much to do with the cam really.
[23:17:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah the control waits to continue either when you insert a new tool and hit cycle start again or the Control itself says the toolchange is completed.
[23:18:18] <PetefromTn_> or rather not cycle start it asks you to insert the next tool and click okay actually....
[23:18:41] <PetefromTn_> either way the control waits for the toolchange to happen before continuing with the program.
[23:19:34] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if your control toolchanger was a random one since it is the more advanced vertical rotary like the Haas VF8 at the shop I work in.
[23:20:14] <R2E4_> I noticed when you cycle start, and it finishes, if you hit cycle start again, it wont ask you for again for a tool, it will just go.
[23:21:15] <R2E4_> Yes, it said random tool changer type. Dont knwowhat that means but itsays itinthe docs...lol
[23:21:21] <PetefromTn_> only if the tool in the spindle is the first one in the program. also if the tools called for in the program are in the tool table if not it will tell you that and say the tool is not in the table.
[23:22:01] <PetefromTn_> It means that basically the machine can load any tool in any pocket and pick it up from any point as I understand it.
[23:22:02] <R2E4_> I dont have anything in my tool table now. IT is empty default.
[23:22:29] <PetefromTn_> did the program you ran have a single tool?
[23:22:43] <R2E4_> yeah I figured it was somethinglike that. I had to add an index as per JT and andy said I wouldneed it.
[23:22:56] <R2E4_> Yeah, it was only onetool.
[23:23:24] <PetefromTn_> I think if it is only one tool it assumes that tool is in the spindle or something and just runs thru.
[23:23:54] <PetefromTn_> If you load a program with more than one tool and the other tools are not in the table it will tell you that.
[23:23:56] <R2E4_> yeah, thats what itdid.
[23:24:39] <PetefromTn_> I dunno how a random setup would work or if it is even possible in linuxCNC..
[23:24:52] <R2E4_> In a smart ass way? " Hey dumbass, the tool you are trying to use is not in the tool table."
[23:25:31] <R2E4_> I think pretty much anythingis possible inLinuxCNC.
[23:25:53] <PetefromTn_> no I don't remember the actual wording but basically when you try to load the code into the control it kinda proof reads it and if the tool is not in the table it lets you know.
[23:26:19] <PetefromTn_> I think so too if you know how to program this stuff....
[23:26:41] <PetefromTn_> It seems like there are multiple ways of doing most things.
[23:27:37] <R2E4_> yeah, I think the second time around would be easier. Every step of the way, I had to stop search read and scratch my head before I could get it top work.
[23:27:46] <R2E4_> Sometimes ask help here.
[23:29:13] <R2E4_> I gotta run. C you guys tpomorrow.
[23:29:15] <R2E4_> Nite all.
[23:29:22] <PetefromTn_> cya man.
[23:29:31] <PetefromTn_> Gonna get to bed too..
[23:29:39] <PetefromTn_> Nite.