#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-02-25

[02:42:33] <Deejay> moin
[06:29:14] <sigiiCNC> nickserv register cnc14a zygmunt.d@neostrada.pl
[06:29:31] <sigiiCNC> ][_, ][][ ][_,
[06:31:20] <sigiiCNC> Hello
[06:31:22] <sigiiCNC> Witam
[06:42:35] <sigiiCNC> hi guys
[06:43:04] <sigiiCNC> do you know what way i can use the "loadrt" command ?
[06:43:30] <sigiiCNC> in terminal when i'm enter this command i take message "command not found"
[06:43:42] <sigiiCNC> i'm write it as root
[06:46:44] <skunkworks> loadrt is used within linuxcnc's hal. so you would have to be running halcmd or halrun first..
[06:47:51] <sigiiCNC> i was type halrun and have a message "Realtime already running. Use 'halrun -U' to stop existing realtime session."
[06:48:05] <sigiiCNC> but still can't use loadrt
[06:51:35] <sigiiCNC> hmmm still command not found
[06:52:06] <automata> sigiiCNC: after you have started linuxcnc and see the familiar axis GUI, open a terminal and type: halcmd loadrt xor2 count=1
[06:52:24] <jthornton> halrun from a terminal or what automata said
[06:52:56] <automata> this will load xor2 as a realtime component
[06:53:18] <automata> then in that same terminal type: halcmd addf xor2.0 servo-thread
[06:53:42] <automata> this will add the xor2 function in the servo-thread
[07:03:39] <sigiiCNC> still nothing:/
[07:04:00] <sigiiCNC> tell me i must have connected machine to parport or don't must have ?
[07:05:44] <automata> not necessary
[07:05:54] <sigiiCNC> hmmm
[07:06:07] <sigiiCNC> i have runed hal
[07:06:28] <automata> have you started linuxcnc?
[07:07:21] <sigiiCNC> yep
[07:07:51] <automata> have you compiled it yourself, or are you using a live CD install?
[07:08:29] <sigiiCNC> first use livecd
[07:08:35] <sigiiCNC> install on hdd
[07:08:45] <automata> so I assume you have a 10.04 build
[07:08:45] <sigiiCNC> after compile gmocappy
[07:08:53] <sigiiCNC> yep
[07:08:57] <sigiiCNC> don't update lts
[07:09:18] <automata> Ubuntu 10.04 lts with RTAI kernel
[07:09:30] <sigiiCNC> yep
[07:09:38] <sigiiCNC> from linuxcnc site
[07:09:42] <automata> so you have an ini file and a hal file?
[07:09:54] <sigiiCNC> where i must search it ?
[07:10:10] <sigiiCNC> im new with linux and linuxcnc
[07:10:39] <archivist> easy to create your first ini and hal with stepconf
[07:13:34] <sigiiCNC> i was make it
[07:13:36] <automata> can you start linuxcnc to get this screen:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X50i6IzGpgw/UbzSIqQE6uI/AAAAAAAAAvA/1IGhPTJjNLI/s1600/LinuxCNC.Temp.png
[07:13:39] <sigiiCNC> but now make new
[07:14:44] <sigiiCNC> yes i can
[07:16:26] <jthornton> Tom_itx,
[07:16:37] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[07:17:56] <jthornton> did you get the bug fix 1.6.08?
[07:18:17] <Tom_itx> i got 1.6.08 yes
[07:18:27] <jthornton> ok
[07:18:52] <Tom_itx> enhanced feature
[07:19:12] <jthornton> does the help file on 2nd ops make sense?
[07:19:31] <jthornton> or do I need some screen shots?
[07:20:36] <Tom_itx> all you need is to say which tab some of the settings are in
[07:21:00] <jthornton> ok
[07:21:29] <Tom_itx> i think that's what threw me, i was looking in one place
[07:22:32] <jthornton> I can see how it can be confusing now
[07:24:20] <Tom_itx> it's always harder to write something for someone else than yourself :)
[07:24:38] <jthornton> yea, cause I know where everything is!
[07:24:56] <Tom_itx> does setup apply to all those ops?
[07:25:35] <jthornton> setup on the hole ops is applied to all hole ops yes
[07:26:36] <Tom_itx> how hard would it be to save a set of default settings the user selected?
[07:26:53] <Tom_itx> ie once you get a good chamfer you may wanna remember what you did
[07:27:22] <Tom_itx> i know that for one can be a bit tricky
[07:27:28] <jthornton> other than the preferences tab?
[07:27:30] <Tom_itx> until you get it set
[07:28:07] <Tom_itx> maybe on chamfer depth for example
[07:28:27] <Tom_itx> that's not as big a deal i guess
[07:29:24] <Tom_itx> i programmed a 7deg cutter one time i had fun figuring out which end of the tool to program the path to
[07:29:38] <jthornton> well that makes sense to a point, but if you save the G code file you have it I think...
[07:30:03] <Tom_itx> yeah but next time i may be chamfering something else
[07:30:15] <Tom_itx> the depth would still apply if i had the tool preset
[07:30:16] <jthornton> with different locations
[07:30:21] <Tom_itx> yeah
[07:30:27] <jthornton> that makes sense
[07:30:30] <Tom_itx> it's no biggie... just a thought
[07:30:57] <jthornton> something for File > Save and File > Open to do
[07:31:46] <Tom_itx> then you could preload your whole session and make edits
[07:33:12] <Tom_itx> another example would be if you found the 'just right' depth for a couterbore head
[07:33:22] <jthornton> hmm how would you pick what to save and what not to save?
[07:33:27] <Tom_itx> i know the data is out there but who reads anything...
[07:33:36] <Tom_itx> that's the hard part
[07:33:42] <Tom_itx> maybe not worth doing
[07:34:34] <Tom_itx> chamfer was the one that came to mind first
[07:34:52] <Tom_itx> cause i know sometimes those can be tricky to get just right
[07:34:59] <Tom_itx> especially if you have a callout for it
[07:35:32] <Tom_itx> off to play...
[07:35:37] <jthornton> ok
[08:01:13] <PetefromTn> Morning folks..
[08:16:10] <sigiiCNC> hi bac
[08:16:13] <sigiiCNC> back
[08:17:04] <sigiiCNC> guys tell me how to configure linuxcnc for two parports :/ in "StepConf" can configure only first port
[08:18:41] <archivist_herron> once you have a config most of use hand edit the ini and hal files
[08:46:56] <sigiiCNC> ok thx
[09:26:10] <humble_sea_bass> clear
[09:28:41] <JT-Shop> format c:
[09:29:45] <PetefromTn> I swear there must be a special kinda magic that makes my calipers and mics I just sat down disappear into the ozone...
[09:31:03] <humble_sea_bass> you typing /clear over your workbench
[09:41:11] <PetefromTn> humble_sea_bass: Huh?
[09:41:16] <PetefromTn> Found the damn thing LOL..
[09:49:08] <archivist> find my pivot file....where did you hide it
[09:52:49] <archivist> not cheap when lost http://www.shesto.co.uk/p1488/Vallorbe-3211-Pivot-File-&-Burnisher-%28Gauche%29/product_info.html
[09:55:29] <PetefromTn> Connor: http://imagebin.org/295744 http://imagebin.org/295745 finished it man..
[10:05:33] <humble_sea_bass> if you type /clear into your irc window is clears the text from the screen. i was equating that to your mics disappearing instantly when you put em on your desk
[10:10:51] <PetefromTn> Aah okay hehe Was wondering if you were cracking up or I was...
[10:10:57] <tjtr33> anyone used TECO drives?
[10:11:05] <tjtr33> I cant find same features on Yaskawa so am considering.
[10:11:06] <tjtr33> They have an internal position control mode where you load a position and pull a trigger, then wait for 'InPosition" ( very simple PLC motion control for stuff like ATC's )
[10:11:37] <tjtr33> (iirc they mfctr Automation Directs stuff)
[10:11:51] <jdh> westinghouse also?
[10:11:57] <tjtr33> dunno
[10:12:13] <tjtr33> and i got 3 Yasks here w nothing to do :(
[10:13:18] <jdh> send me one
[10:13:32] <tjtr33> :) with invoice?
[10:13:57] <humble_sea_bass> yes. just bill my bank, mt gox
[10:14:08] <humble_sea_bass> they will be with you shortly
[10:26:40] <PetefromTn> tjtr33: I am using the Teco drives.
[10:28:53] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, good experience?
[10:29:46] <PetefromTn> yeah man so far... Work real nice.
[10:30:16] <PetefromTn> I am using their motors too...
[10:31:02] <tjtr33> thx, even better, the pair works :) thats good info.
[10:31:31] <tjtr33> bye for now
[10:52:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[10:54:19] <Connor> PetefromTn: Looks good, How much room do I have to get to the bolts ?
[11:18:15] <Connor> PetefromTn: You there ?
[11:20:43] <PetefromTn> yeah man just finished lunch.
[11:22:18] <PetefromTn> What's up?
[11:41:15] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: i think the wats up guys are in the caribian bying some ilands as mark where shoppng last week
[11:54:11] <PetefromTn> IchGuckLive: Yeah man I want in LOL...
[12:04:55] <IchGuckLive> Some portugise or brasil CNC freeks here
[12:29:20] <IchGuckLive> balestrino: hi are you portugis or brasilian
[12:29:29] <IchGuckLive> nixxk sounds so
[12:29:38] <IchGuckLive> O.O ;-)
[12:39:40] <balestrino> i'm from italy
[13:14:55] <IchGuckLive> italy is the best state in the EU it got new girls inside the parlament not as our old ladies here
[13:16:28] <roycroft> italy once had a porn star in its parliament
[13:16:55] <IchGuckLive> chicholina
[13:18:30] <IchGuckLive> roycroft: ilona staller only where a candidate
[13:38:25] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[13:59:27] <tjtr33> hehe just read in an article about ball vs roller bearings "and physics rules over sales talk" :)
[14:55:40] <Loetmichel> tjtr33: i know that as "physics are LAWS not suggestions!"
[15:22:42] <Loetmichel> hharhar, THAT i call "fast delivery".... i ordered a HDD at 15:00 from a german supplier... now, at 22:00 the dhl (a german parcel service) website tells me that the package is already in the sorting center at my town and will be delivered tomorrow morning... ;-)
[15:23:20] <humble_sea_bass> DHL is global mang
[15:23:39] <humble_sea_bass> there is DHL sorting facility 2 avenues from my house in Brooklyn NY
[15:24:15] <Loetmichel> i know but it originated from german post
[15:25:25] <Loetmichel> what i meant: to pack that package, get it in less than 2 hrs to the DHL man and have it delivered in less than 24hrs is amazing for germany
[15:25:47] <Loetmichel> usually it takes 2-3 days to get any online ordered goods
[15:26:03] <humble_sea_bass> was it amazon? they do crazy stuff like that
[15:26:37] <humble_sea_bass> like if they have the item sitting in the nj warehouse, oddsare it shows up overnight
[15:26:44] <Loetmichel> alternate.de
[15:38:48] <PetefromTn> Wait you are saying you bought something from Germany and you are getting it tomorrow morning?
[15:39:11] <PetefromTn> In brooklyn, NY?
[15:40:39] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: no i am in germany
[15:40:45] <Loetmichel> humble_sea_bass is in ny
[15:41:06] <PetefromTn> DOh! I gotta read more carefully huh...
[15:41:21] <humble_sea_bass> HAH
[15:41:22] <PetefromTn> How far away was it?
[15:41:43] <humble_sea_bass> yes yes. I make the germans overnight my endmills
[15:42:08] <PetefromTn> I order from Mcmaster Carr here all the time and many times I will order in the evening one day and get it the next morning..
[15:42:46] <PetefromTn> humble_sea_bass: Laugh it up fuzzball...;)
[15:43:50] <humble_sea_bass> I've started using travers more often because they ship from within NYC so sometimes I squeak by
[15:55:09] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/295802 Three wheels finished just to show the first was not a fluke LOL..
[16:05:29] <humble_sea_bass> what are these wheels for
[16:06:13] <humble_sea_bass> gattling scope?
[16:06:17] <PetefromTn> They are a focusing aid for Field target Shooters that goes on the scope focus knob..
[16:06:56] <humble_sea_bass> oh so you can get a finer adjustment?
[16:08:19] <PetefromTn> yes. the FT shooters use them to make it easier to adjust precisely so they can use the optics to rangefind the target out to around 50 yards. The yardages are marked on tape on the OD..
[16:08:57] <humble_sea_bass> that's smart
[16:09:14] <PetefromTn> yup tricky..
[16:09:32] <humble_sea_bass> my father in law used to manufacture rifles, super fascinating shit
[16:09:36] <PetefromTn> Plus it is another excuse to bling out your rifle..
[16:09:44] <humble_sea_bass> th a1919 community is crazy
[16:10:51] <PetefromTn> http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/calif-couple-strike-10-million-gold-coin-bonanza-22667087 Damn lucky bastards LOL..
[16:18:23] <Deejay> gn8
[16:54:04] <Jymmm> Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWAavCjVQvM#t=13
[16:57:59] <andypugh> Slower than my bike to 140, by the looks of it. I accept that it carries on to a much higher top speed.
[16:58:49] <Jymmm> andypugh: Can your bike do 270?
[16:59:44] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: *cough* Usually i drive about half that speed. and thats enough with a station wagon ;-)
[16:59:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: lol
[17:00:19] <Jymmm> What was that, 90MPH in first?
[17:00:29] <Loetmichel> especially on german autobahns ;)
[17:01:09] <Loetmichel> 70 in first
[17:01:21] <Loetmichel> 120 in second
[17:01:29] <Loetmichel> if i read that correctly
[17:02:36] <Loetmichel> my car tops out at 135mph... and much more is not reccomended on most streets here, because then the slightest curvature will get VERY tight ;-)
[17:03:17] <PetefromTn> I'd say you must have one smokin' fast bike if you can beat that thing up to 140 because it was MOVING... And that is from someone who has owned 12 different sportybikes..
[17:03:58] <PetefromTn> Funny thing is I don't think the goal was actual acceleration here but to prove the top speed..
[17:05:17] <uw> on auobahn whats fastest speed allowed
[17:05:33] <syyl> as fast as you dare
[17:05:41] <syyl> if its an unrestricted section
[17:05:50] <uw> did you say that with a sinister tone?
[17:06:17] <syyl> slightly ;)
[17:06:24] <syyl> realy
[17:06:30] <uw> lol k just checking
[17:06:30] <syyl> you can go as fast as you want
[17:06:44] <uw> sweet
[17:06:49] <syyl> with increasing chance of a spectacular crash ;)
[17:07:03] <PetefromTn> I know the video has been editied but it looks like about 8 seconds to 150MPH or so...
[17:07:04] <uw> i bet they charge $$$$ for thst high speed licence
[17:07:22] <syyl> high speed licence?
[17:07:42] <syyl> there is only one "car licence"
[17:08:07] <syyl> (ok, two if you add that for pulling bigger trailers)
[17:08:53] <uw> i see...
[17:08:56] <JT-Shop> hmm, lets see here is a tiny bit of info can you quote this job by the morning?
[17:08:59] <JT-Shop> uh, no
[17:09:03] <uw> what about motos
[17:09:55] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop give em a similar quote
[17:10:22] <Tom_itx> open ended of course...
[17:11:03] <syyl> motocycles? not to familiar with that, but there are different steps of licences
[17:11:17] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: What ya quotin?
[17:11:22] <Loetmichel> uw: when you have seen all 5 brake disks glowing on the tarmac at night because of some ("($%&§"$ grandma at 60 mp pulling out behind a semi when you came flying in at 130mph you know where the limit is. in your pants ;-)
[17:11:32] <Loetmichel> 4 brake disks
[17:12:13] <Tom_itx> licenses cost alot more there too
[17:12:24] <Tom_itx> and they are a coveted posession
[17:13:14] <uw> ohisee
[17:13:21] <Tom_itx> i dare say there are parts of TX that would give em a run for their money
[17:13:26] <Tom_itx> legal or not
[17:13:47] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn, don't look like I'm quoting anything I don't even know the size of the servos and he wants the quote for the morning
[17:14:02] <Loetmichel> uw: german drivers licenses split into groups: all cars below 3.5 tons (+ 750kg one axle trailers), cars and trucks aboce 3.5 tons, additional license for trailers needed there, then motorbikes below 17PS and motorbikes abve that, and some special cars (tractors, 50cc scooters and so on)
[17:14:05] <JT-Shop> it's a refit on a drilling kind of machine
[17:14:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop regular client?
[17:14:17] <Tom_itx> he should know better if he is
[17:14:17] <JT-Shop> new guy
[17:14:20] <Tom_itx> ahh
[17:14:22] <Tom_itx> figgers
[17:14:39] <JT-Shop> I don't think he has a clue how RFQ's and Quotes work
[17:14:46] <syyl> i think my car licence (below 3,5t and only small trailer) was about 1500eur
[17:14:53] <Tom_itx> i bet he's under the gun on a deadline
[17:14:56] <syyl> hard to remember Oo
[17:14:59] <Loetmichel> mine was 2100 eur
[17:15:09] <Loetmichel> but i made it later than you
[17:15:16] <Loetmichel> (2003 iirc)
[17:15:23] <syyl> sure? im looking for mine right now ;)
[17:15:35] <syyl> 2004 ;)
[17:15:49] <Loetmichel> oh, nice, than you got a cheap drivers scool
[17:15:59] <uw> Loetmichel, can you go unlimited speed in 3.5T vehicle if you wanted to?
[17:15:59] <syyl> jap
[17:16:05] <Loetmichel> yes
[17:16:07] <syyl> yes
[17:16:29] <uw> lol rolling collateral damage
[17:16:38] <Loetmichel> on the autobahn strips that dont have any restrictions
[17:17:07] <uw> strips as in, there isn't many of them?
[17:17:26] <Loetmichel> uw: to get a german license it si mandatory to take at least 20 hrs of driving school and about 20 hrs of theory school, too
[17:17:44] <syyl> in southern germany we have still a lot of unrestrictet autobahn
[17:17:49] <Loetmichel> and 45 minutes of driving test and 45 minutes of theory test
[17:18:15] <Loetmichel> so the worst drivers are sorted out from the start ;-)
[17:18:16] <uw> ok thats not bad. here we have lots of schooling too (my state esp)
[17:18:25] <syyl> but thats a bit the outback of germany ;)
[17:18:47] <uw> is that so
[17:18:53] <kengu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Germany
[17:18:55] <uw> so the party is near denmark LOL
[17:19:01] <uw> i've heard that before
[17:19:20] <kengu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Sweden
[17:19:35] <uw> and nederlands
[17:19:49] <uw> aka party country
[17:19:54] <syyl> ;)
[17:20:02] <syyl> time to leave
[17:20:07] <syyl> g'night
[17:20:50] <Loetmichel> still i nearly pissed my pants a few times
[17:21:09] <uw> gnite syyl
[17:21:18] <uw> so many germans in here
[17:21:22] <uw> GERMAN OVERTAKE
[17:21:52] <Loetmichel> when you drive above 130 mph ANY osbtackle moving or not has to be feared
[17:22:34] <uw> have you ever been passed by vehicle moving ~200mph
[17:22:41] <Loetmichel> because most of the others oin the autobahn move at 60 or 70 mph
[17:23:04] <Loetmichel> if you come flying in at double that and someone decides to pull out without uing the mirror...
[17:23:15] <Loetmichel> i have driven one once
[17:23:26] <Loetmichel> and yes, i were pased by a few
[17:23:52] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, wrong.
[17:24:22] <Loetmichel> my fastest drive on the autobahn was at 185mph
[17:24:47] <uw> yikes my moto doesnt even go that fast
[17:24:50] <Loetmichel> on a modified BMW k100 ;-.)
[17:24:53] <uw> and i've tried
[17:25:48] <uw> that must have had quite some mods....
[17:25:58] <uw> stock wikipedia says 90hp.....
[17:26:02] <Loetmichel> "just" turbocharged
[17:26:15] <Loetmichel> 174hp
[17:26:20] <Loetmichel> on the rear wheel
[17:26:25] <uw> yikes
[17:26:31] <uw> do you have picturse?
[17:26:38] <Loetmichel> no,wasnt mine
[17:26:48] <uw> that is quite a jump, 90hp to 174hp
[17:26:52] <Loetmichel> i dont even have a license to drive more than 50cc
[17:26:56] <uw> make sure you hold on LOL
[17:26:57] <Loetmichel> :-)
[17:27:19] <Loetmichel> i just provided the motor electronics for it
[17:27:44] <uw> was this bike mechanical injection?
[17:28:03] <Loetmichel> because at nearly the double ho you cant get away whith the stock MCU ;-)
[17:28:08] <Loetmichel> yes
[17:28:12] <Loetmichel> and abs ;-)
[17:28:52] <Loetmichel> and after my friend modified it there was nearly nothing original
[17:28:59] <Loetmichel> the block maybe
[17:29:13] <JT-Shop> workbench clear... check
[17:29:15] <Loetmichel> pistons were clad wiht tungsten
[17:29:22] <Loetmichel> new crankshaft
[17:29:32] <uw> this project sounds expensive!
[17:29:33] <Loetmichel> new valve shaft(s)
[17:29:53] <Loetmichel> overly big ceramic tirbocharger
[17:30:01] <Loetmichel> new head
[17:30:05] <Loetmichel> new valves
[17:30:21] <Loetmichel> new electronics from scratch (my part)
[17:30:50] <Loetmichel> and he welded in nearly 30kg of steel trussing in the fram to make it cope with that excess in power
[17:31:15] <uw> it is shame there is no pictures...
[17:31:27] <uw> that crankshaft was probably quite a piece of work
[17:31:40] <Loetmichel> nice thing: it being a cruiser and fully covered (including a mans high windshield) you could sit upright on it at 250kmh ;-)
[17:32:23] <Loetmichel> was a nice prank to drive on the autobahn ant 150kmh...
[17:32:59] <Loetmichel> and then wehn a zzr or somethinc came frombehind and blinked you just tipped your hat and pulled the handle ;-)
[17:34:01] <uw> i am surprised rear drive gear didnt explode that those speeds/power
[17:34:06] <Loetmichel> *roooar* *Whizzle* *ROOOOAAAAR* ... and the zzr got tiny in the review mirror with its polot glued to the tank, while you are sitting upright and totally relaxed ;-)
[17:34:41] <Loetmichel> its a cardan shaft, no chain or belt ;-)
[17:34:56] <uw> well the gear in the back i mean
[17:35:05] <uw> because that shaft has limits i believe
[17:35:14] <Loetmichel> the 90° gear to get the power into the wheel?
[17:35:18] <Loetmichel> that was modified
[17:35:31] <Loetmichel> even the cardan shaft was made of a titanium alloy
[17:36:01] <Loetmichel> the weak point was the gearbox iirc
[17:36:08] <uw> it sounds like your friend has alot of money
[17:36:16] <Loetmichel> because the shafts for the gears were too small
[17:36:25] <Loetmichel> was his only hobby
[17:37:43] <Loetmichel> the building wasnt the expensivest part
[17:37:49] <Loetmichel> the TUEV was ;-)
[17:38:23] <Loetmichel> (german mandatory bi-yearly technical check for vehicles)
[17:38:49] <Loetmichel> you HAVE to get a tuev check to get a license plate here
[17:39:11] <uw> and it is every year??
[17:39:18] <Loetmichel> bi-yearly
[17:39:26] <uw> oh
[17:39:28] <Loetmichel> every 2
[17:39:31] <uw> how much does it cost
[17:39:35] <Loetmichel> about 100 eur
[17:39:45] <uw> that isnt bad
[17:39:55] <uw> how much is insurance?
[17:40:15] <Loetmichel> but a "single license" for a car costs MUCH more, the tuev get nosy then
[17:40:43] <Loetmichel> they even put that bike on a dymometer and ordered me to shut off the rpm limiter ;-)
[17:40:46] <uw> i dont understand thi
[17:40:48] <uw> s
[17:41:02] <Loetmichel> this bike was not "Stock"
[17:41:15] <uw> so they charge more?
[17:41:18] <Loetmichel> so you have to get the tuev to allow you to bring it on the street
[17:41:25] <uw> you mean bribes?
[17:41:37] <Loetmichel> no, official procedure
[17:42:00] <uw> "official bribes" are still bribes LOL
[17:42:01] <Loetmichel> they must sing you a paper that this vehicle is "street worthy"
[17:42:59] <Loetmichel> and for selfbuild or heavily modified vehicles the procedere gets VERY throughoug
[17:43:09] <Loetmichel> sign
[17:43:45] <Loetmichel> like i said, they even got it on a dymomenter and checked the HP and the theoretical topspeed
[17:44:30] <Loetmichel> and then checked the brakes on another test stand because it is law that a vehicle must have at LEAST 3 times the HP in braking power
[17:44:59] <Loetmichel> and about 10000 other rules you must follow to get a car street worthy
[17:46:14] <Loetmichel> insurance varies
[17:46:42] <Loetmichel> depending on the type of vehickle and likelyhodd of an accident in thet model
[17:47:27] <Loetmichel> for example: i pay about 300 eur insurance every three months for my Omega and about 350 eur twice a year in tax
[17:47:47] <Loetmichel> sports vehicles are more expensive insurance wise
[17:48:15] <Loetmichel> s/tax/car tax
[17:57:13] <andypugh> Jymmm: My bike does 105mph in first. 120 in second, 140 in third. But low weight and desperately bad aerodynamics is a mix that doesn't do so well at properly high speeds.
[17:58:01] <Tom_itx> why is 1st geared so high?
[17:58:11] <andypugh> I don't really miss the extra 100mph top speed that the Viper has.
[17:58:27] <andypugh> Tom_itx: To make it a useful gear rather than an instant loop, I think :-)
[17:58:36] <Tom_itx> 6 speed?
[17:59:09] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Aye, though I am not sure why.
[17:59:25] <Tom_itx> the top ones must be pretty close together
[18:00:08] <andypugh> I may have got the numbers slightly wrong. 6th is exactly twice first, so is geared for about 200mph and won't rev out.
[18:01:06] <andypugh> The magazine tesrs reckoned on 186mph top speed, but I haven't seen anything over 170.
[18:02:11] <andypugh> I think anything over 170 on public roads is a bit silly :-)
[18:02:18] <Tom_itx> downhill with the wind?
[18:03:10] <andypugh> It was still pulling pretty hard at 170, and I had a gear to go, but common sense prevailed.
[18:03:45] <Tom_itx> what causes bikes to start to shake?
[18:04:16] <andypugh> Bad design. The mathematics of the wobble-modes is well understood.
[18:05:25] <andypugh> If you look at a modern sportbike the engine is as far forward as they can get it, and the swingarm is as long as they can make it. Both help suppress the "tankslapper" wobble mode.
[18:06:38] <PetefromTn> I can't seem to get the measure feature to work it is always greyed out too..
[18:07:44] <PetefromTn> Oops wrong IRC LOL..
[18:17:46] <JT-Shop> 170 kmh?
[18:18:26] <andypugh> JT-Shop: It's all mph over hre
[18:18:47] <JT-Shop> 170 mph is quite fast for a bike
[18:19:00] <JT-Shop> I've been 140mph on the wing
[18:19:11] <andypugh> It's quite a fast bike :-)
[18:19:20] <JT-Shop> quite stable at 950 lbs
[18:19:35] <JT-Shop> 1800cc 6 cylinders
[18:19:55] <JT-Shop> and gets 45mpg when my wife is riding with me :)
[18:22:07] <andypugh> anyway, time to sleep
[18:22:10] <PetefromTn> I have seen 175 on my old 1000 indicated so probably about 170 or so...
[18:23:16] <JT-Shop> 1000?
[18:23:46] <PetefromTn> Yeah Yamaha FZR1000 1992 model. Had a little work done to it LOL..
[18:25:38] <JT-Shop> like a super charger?
[18:26:06] <JT-Shop> funny how I get better gas mileage when riding two up on the Blue Wing
[18:27:07] <PetefromTn> http://classic-motorbikes.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Yamaha-FZR-action001.jpg Mine looked almost identical to this one...
[18:29:27] <PetefromTn> It had some nice head work done to it, It had flatslide carbs and Vance and Hines Power pack as well as a titanium exhaust and 520 chainset with slightly different gearing. It also had an ignition advancer and I put some very lightweight Marchesini wheels on it that looked stock but were WAY lighter.
[18:29:53] <JT-Shop> very nice
[18:30:27] <The_Ball> ah, reminds me of my RGV-250
[18:30:53] <JT-Shop> I always wanted to get another KZ1000 but restrained myself from doing a silly thing like that
[18:31:11] <JT-Shop> the Wing and the Spyder are enough to keep me busy
[18:34:05] <PetefromTn> I would buy another 1992 FZR1000 in good shape in a heartbeat. It was an amazingly smooth and stupid fast bike that was comfortable for me and my wife to cruise around on. She talks to this day about how we went 140 two up on the way to fudruckers in Miami with my friend on his matching colors FZR1000 LOL...
[18:34:49] <PetefromTn> The_Ball: RGV GAMMA is the most awesome bike ever...
[18:35:32] <PetefromTn> I had a good friend in south Florida who used to have an RZ500 yamaha and an RGV 250 too... Sweet bikes.
[18:37:52] <The_Ball> I had a CB500 for a few years, then got the RGV, blew my mind, started going to track days, so much fun leaving bigger bikes for dead in the corners. Have a 600 kwakker today
[18:39:59] <Connor> Do I need a special package to get the headers for linuxcnc to compile components against ?
[18:44:59] <PetefromTn> The_Ball: I always wanted a 2 stroker..
[18:48:43] <JT-Shop> you need dev Connor
[18:49:15] <JT-Shop> Connor, look in the comp manual for more info
[18:49:21] <Connor> how do you get that with master ?
[18:49:37] <Connor> and.. working in sim right now.. so.. I figured that out..
[18:54:59] <JT-Shop> the documents?
[18:55:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html#_installing
[18:56:44] * JT-Shop heads inside
[18:57:57] <Connor> Cool.. Got the halio component plugged in.. now the cam is working completely as it should.
[18:58:48] <Jymmm> WOOHOO finally done!!!
[19:00:26] <PetefromTn> Connor: So you got it all working then?? Awesome man..
[19:00:38] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: Done with what?
[19:01:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Writting the brief, and I still forgot stuff
[20:01:50] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zD6dLFg.png
[20:01:52] <zeeshan> creepy looking
[20:01:53] <zeeshan> mesh
[20:02:47] <Connor_iPad> What is that?
[20:03:24] <zeeshan> its 2 rectangular ducts coming together
[20:03:31] <zeeshan> in which air goes thrtough
[20:03:42] <zeeshan> and the tubes have water running through them
[20:03:51] <Connor_iPad> For what?
[20:03:58] <zeeshan> heat exchanger
[20:04:35] <zeeshan> half the challenge in flow simulation is getting the mesh right
[20:10:42] <tcpsyn> evening
[20:10:55] <tcpsyn> oops. wrong chan.
[20:20:52] <PetefromTn> Jeez man I SUCK at 3d drawing LOL... I got so much to learn about this stuff..
[20:23:06] <zeeshan> thats why there is training courses :P
[20:25:21] <PetefromTn> Maybe for you...
[20:25:45] <zeeshan> yea well what can i say
[20:25:46] <zeeshan> im a professional
[20:25:47] <zeeshan> :)
[20:25:50] <zeeshan> with a license
[20:26:01] <Jymmm> ...to thrill
[20:26:51] <zeeshan> i've gone through so many drawings that make zero sense
[20:27:00] <zeeshan> and fixed so many models that are supposed to be "parameter"
[20:27:05] <zeeshan> parametric
[20:27:23] <zeeshan> all cause of poor modeling or failure of understanding of gd&T
[20:27:46] <PetefromTn> Yeah man you're my hero..
[20:28:34] <zeeshan> why are you arguing?
[20:28:52] <PetefromTn> Why are you bragging?
[20:28:58] <zeeshan> i only made 1 comment
[20:29:04] <zeeshan> saying there are training courses for a reason
[20:29:11] <zeeshan> and you decided to jab at me by saying "maybe for you"
[20:29:17] <zeeshan> like im some tard who can't learn a software on his own
[20:29:36] <Jymmm> zeeshan: He was saying the opposite actually.
[20:29:39] <PetefromTn> No actually I meant maybe you can afford it I cannot..
[20:29:59] <zeeshan> theres a shit load of free training courses
[20:30:05] <zeeshan> to learn it right
[20:31:44] <PetefromTn> I just gotta trudge thru this watching video tutorials and reading the doccumentation and it is a beotch for me.
[20:32:53] <Tom_itx> a vast majority of parts don't need 3d drawings to make them
[20:33:04] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Totally right man..
[20:33:06] <os1r1s> PetefromTn: Which program?
[20:33:16] <PetefromTn> Most of the stuff I do does not need 3d at all
[20:33:16] <Tom_itx> depending on the industry
[20:33:27] <Tom_itx> practically all the stuff we did required them
[20:33:30] <PetefromTn> In fact honestly I have not actually made a 3d part yet...
[20:34:55] <PetefromTn> However I do intend to do 3d parts here and soon and I gotta start thinking and drawing in 3d so that my potential customers know I can do that as well as to render parts and assemblies in 3d so it is clearer what I am making for them/
[20:35:25] <PetefromTn> os1r1s: I am stuck using open source stuff due to lack of cash for good software.
[20:35:31] <PetefromTn> I am using Freecad right now.
[20:36:18] <os1r1s> PetefromTn: If you are just doing 2d, draftsight is free
[20:36:39] <PetefromTn> Yeah man I know I use it all the time...
[20:36:44] <os1r1s> hehe
[20:36:50] <zeeshan> are you trying to do isometric drawings
[20:36:51] <PetefromTn> It is a great 2d program..
[20:36:52] <Tom_itx> what will it import and export?
[20:37:52] <PetefromTn> STEP, IGES, OBJ, STL, DXF, SVG, STL, DAE, IFC or OFF, NASTRAN, VRML
[20:40:43] <PetefromTn> zeeshan: I usuallly just draw the parts in 3d using the software and then export a .PDF of it in isometric view to show the customer and whatever other view I deem necessary to show the part.
[20:41:41] <zeeshan> can you not do drawings like this: http://www.we-r-here.com/cad/tutorials/level_1/images/Ortho-exercise-01.gif
[20:41:51] <zeeshan> where you just draw certain views?
[20:41:57] <zeeshan> in your software
[20:42:45] <PetefromTn> Sure but it is not as impressive...
[20:42:54] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[20:43:04] <Tom_itx> your customers don't provide you detailed drawings?
[20:43:08] <PetefromTn> I mean people seem to like pretty pictures..
[20:43:16] <zeeshan> you're dealing with some tards then
[20:43:17] <zeeshan> lol
[20:43:30] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: I am talking about products I make in this instance..
[20:43:45] <zeeshan> a standard way to communicate a 3d part is using ansi 14.5y drawing standard
[20:43:47] <zeeshan> at least in usa/canada
[20:43:55] <zeeshan> which is drawings exactly like that!
[20:44:01] <PetefromTn> But the reality is that when customers do bring me drawings I need to be able to work with them and more and more those drawings are 3d files.
[20:44:20] <PetefromTn> zeeshan: Yes I know that..
[20:44:23] <Tom_itx> yeah we'd generally get something similar to those although alot more complex
[20:44:56] <Tom_itx> and the models they would send to use would generally be a whole assembly we'd pick the parts out of
[20:44:59] <zeeshan> when you say those drawings are 3d files
[20:45:01] <zeeshan> what do you mean?
[20:45:05] <PetefromTn> For instance this wheel parts I just made. A Major reason I got the sale was because I could show the customer what the part would look like in 3d...
[20:45:09] <zeeshan> do you mean its a 3d file with dimensions floating in space?
[20:45:24] <Tom_itx> ours were
[20:45:37] <PetefromTn> Nope no dimensions but I can dimension the 3d drawing in freecad...
[20:45:42] <zeeshan> ohh
[20:45:46] <PetefromTn> I should not use the word drawing..
[20:45:47] <zeeshan> thats a very non standard way!
[20:45:49] <PetefromTn> It is a model..
[20:46:04] <zeeshan> but its quick if you wanna show a couple of dimensions
[20:46:57] <PetefromTn> I mean yeah once I get the part model completed I can export simple cad drawings in 2d iso like you showed but folks like to see 3d pictures of the drawings so I am trying to teach myself how to do that
[20:47:54] <Tom_itx> hope you're getting paid for all the extra work
[20:47:57] <PetefromTn> Even some of my custom cabinet designs are shown in 3d depending on the complexity. Lots of cabinet shops are going to 3d renderings to depict the projects for the customer to see and some are quite elaborate...
[20:48:20] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: No not really I am mostly doing it so I can learn right now..
[20:49:18] <PetefromTn> Basically in my ideal world I would like to be able to receive a model, assembly, or drawing from ANYONE and be able to work with it and machine it and change the design when necessary and show the customer the changes without looking like a dolt.
[20:50:16] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: i dont mean to interfere in your business
[20:50:25] <PetefromTn> I am trying to be able to show I can do the same stuff a large PRO machine shop can do here
[20:50:34] <zeeshan> but make sure you charge people for doing this stuff
[20:50:40] <zeeshan> cause it takes a certain skill to do it!
[20:50:48] <PetefromTn> Oh hell yeah it does.
[20:51:16] <PetefromTn> It really depends on what I am making or being asked to make..
[20:51:53] <PetefromTn> If it is just a simple thing with some slots and holes that does not necessitate any 3d rendering to let the customer know what the hell is going on then I will draw it in 2d.
[20:52:08] <zeeshan> do what i do
[20:52:16] <zeeshan> draw it in 3d (i hate 2d drawings)
[20:52:28] <zeeshan> show them from various angles with the compass showing too
[20:52:30] <PetefromTn> But elaborate things like these wheels are harder to show in 2d. It would look like a circle with lots of other circles inside it and not show the true depth of it..
[20:52:33] <zeeshan> and call it a day ;p
[20:52:47] <PetefromTn> zeeshan: That is precisely what I am doing..
[20:53:21] <PetefromTn> Problem is I am not well versed in 3d modeling and It is a steep learning slope..
[20:53:22] <zeeshan> when i said i hate 2d drawings , i meant they take a long time
[20:53:35] <zeeshan> maybe start with the basics?
[20:53:39] <zeeshan> do a couple of tutorials?
[20:53:45] <zeeshan> im sure freecad has some tutorials you can follow
[20:53:46] <PetefromTn> Honestly for most stuff I can whip out a 2d drawing a lot faster than I can a 3d drawing..
[20:54:13] <zeeshan> if im making a 2d flange
[20:54:17] <PetefromTn> Oh I have been thru a bunch of them already and have learned a lot. The guys on the Freecad IRC are also quite helpful
[20:54:23] <zeeshan> ill model it in 3d
[20:54:27] <zeeshan> its just faster
[20:54:53] <zeeshan> just because 3d stuff has constraints
[20:55:12] <PetefromTn> Honestly I really like the 3d stuff because of the constraints..
[20:55:39] <PetefromTn> It is also really nice to be able to adjust parameters and change it at will. really pretty amazing stuff but it is not easy to learn at least for me...
[20:57:03] <zeeshan> i think its because you're used to 2d
[20:58:10] <PetefromTn> Yeah probably..
[20:58:14] <zeeshan> tell me a part to draw!
[20:58:35] <zeeshan> actually lemme show you the encoder plate
[20:59:39] <zeeshan> i wanna see how you think
[21:00:04] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/trigger4_zps9d5afce8.png
[21:00:07] <zeeshan> how would you draw that?
[21:00:13] <zeeshan> using a 3d modeler
[21:00:17] <zeeshan> even though its 2d
[21:01:15] <Tom_itx> that doesn't need to be 3d
[21:01:21] <Tom_itx> it's a flat part
[21:02:24] <PetefromTn> Well I would probably create the disk from a circle and then do a polar array of the slots after I drew them and then pad the shape and then I would pocket the holes out not necessarily in that order..
[21:03:12] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yea i know
[21:04:04] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: seems likes a good plan
[21:04:39] <zeeshan> now a different thing
[21:04:40] <zeeshan> :)
[21:04:41] <PetefromTn> There are as you know a myriad of ways to make that tho...
[21:04:44] <zeeshan> no
[21:04:47] <zeeshan> thats perffectly fine.
[21:05:38] <zeeshan> trying to find the damn picture
[21:07:58] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/flange.png
[21:08:01] <zeeshan> how would you draw that
[21:08:38] <zeeshan> lol dont look at the history tree
[21:08:39] <zeeshan> :{
[21:08:50] <zeeshan> damn it i shoulda cropped that out
[21:09:11] <Tom_itx> being a lathe part, i'd draw a 2d profile
[21:09:24] <zeeshan> its not a complete lathe part
[21:09:28] <zeeshan> look at the flange holes :P
[21:09:30] <Tom_itx> it could be
[21:09:44] <zeeshan> but you're right..
[21:09:44] <Tom_itx> depending on how fancy your lathe is
[21:10:20] <Tom_itx> but you wouldn't recognize it from my drawing
[21:10:31] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: thats the proper way
[21:10:32] <Tom_itx> that's how i did andy's cup
[21:10:35] <zeeshan> half profile :P
[21:10:39] <zeeshan> and revolve
[21:10:50] <PetefromTn> I just drew a part like that recently in freecad.
[21:10:57] <zeeshan> if you were going to extrude that, it would take forever
[21:11:06] <zeeshan> and take a lot more effort to be parametric.
[21:11:08] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:11:11] <zeeshan> ie if you changed the length of the part
[21:11:16] <zeeshan> it wouldn't grow right
[21:11:27] <zeeshan> PetefromTn:
[21:11:31] <zeeshan> here is one for the mill
[21:11:32] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/ribbed_bracket.png
[21:11:38] <PetefromTn> Personally I would do a sketch of the cross section of the shape and revolve it.
[21:11:46] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: exactly
[21:11:58] <zeeshan> thats the 'correct' way
[21:12:04] <PetefromTn> Then pocket with a boolean cut thru the side for the cross holes and then pocket the base
[21:12:27] <PetefromTn> Attach a sketch to the base of the bolt pattern and then cut it.
[21:12:41] <zeeshan> the holes tangent to the circular side
[21:12:46] <zeeshan> had to be made using a tangent plane
[21:12:57] <zeeshan> i use a tangent plane because if i make the part diameter bigger or smaller
[21:12:59] <zeeshan> it moves with it
[21:13:13] <PetefromTn> That part is impossible to machine.
[21:13:21] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: i made that on a mill
[21:13:22] <zeeshan> lol
[21:13:26] <zeeshan> 3-axis
[21:13:37] <zeeshan> thats one of the first parts i ever made
[21:13:38] <PetefromTn> not if it looked like that you didn't
[21:13:51] <zeeshan> it started off with a rectangular piece
[21:13:59] <zeeshan> the flat side were in the mill
[21:14:04] <zeeshan> i mean in the vise..
[21:14:20] <Tom_itx> you're not showing the 'real' radius that would inherently be there
[21:14:26] <zeeshan> the rib pocket side was cut along with the boss
[21:14:29] <PetefromTn> Exactly tom...
[21:14:40] <zeeshan> oh gimme a break
[21:14:40] <zeeshan> lol
[21:14:59] <Tom_itx> there should be an accompanying drawing with callouts for things like that
[21:15:05] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: there was
[21:15:11] <PetefromTn> Other than that the part is simple as shit.
[21:15:13] <zeeshan> hence why 2d drawings will never replace 3d
[21:15:14] <zeeshan> :)
[21:15:36] <zeeshan> and that part can be easily "edm'ed"
[21:15:41] <Tom_itx> i'd send it off to a reprapper and let him make it
[21:15:50] <zeeshan> but why someone would want to do that would be beyond my understanding
[21:16:42] <zeeshan> i came across a part
[21:16:54] <zeeshan> one of the most complex i've ever had to make and it actually got manufactured
[21:17:04] <PetefromTn> You could use an edm of course but the part would actually be stronger with a radiused web in the corner.
[21:17:07] <zeeshan> gotta black it out
[21:17:08] <zeeshan> sec
[21:18:48] <Connor_iPad> Black what out?
[21:19:30] <PetefromTn> Probably customer or proprietary information.
[21:20:26] <zeeshan> <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/embed/slideshow/"></iframe>
[21:20:27] <zeeshan> er
[21:20:32] <zeeshan> fail paste
[21:20:39] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/drawing_zpse893e1eb.png
[21:21:19] <zeeshan> this part is made in 2 splits
[21:21:44] <zeeshan> and costs about $12000 in machining
[21:22:35] <Tom_itx> why?
[21:22:42] <Tom_itx> doesn't look like it should
[21:22:48] <zeeshan> trying to first show what it does
[21:23:08] <zeeshan> http://www.hackcollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pill-bottle-safety-lid.jpeg
[21:23:18] <zeeshan> see the weird ass "threads" on a typical medicine bottle
[21:23:24] <zeeshan> basically this thing makes that
[21:23:56] <zeeshan> i forgot what grade of stainless steel its made from
[21:24:13] <zeeshan> but its got a rockwell hardness of 60 (c scale)
[21:24:28] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/sample.png
[21:24:31] <Tom_itx> there's one for ya
[21:24:38] <zeeshan> the inside of the neck ring has to be edmed using a copper electrode
[21:24:46] <zeeshan> which by itself is ridiciously expensive
[21:24:56] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: welded assembly?
[21:25:04] <Tom_itx> aluminum billet
[21:25:07] <zeeshan> haha
[21:25:10] <Tom_itx> machined
[21:25:14] <zeeshan> thats crazy
[21:25:42] <Tom_itx> wanna see it?
[21:25:50] <zeeshan> yes
[21:25:54] <Tom_itx> http://clearwateren.com/gallery.php
[21:26:04] <Tom_itx> 4th over in the TI./Steel section
[21:26:06] <zeeshan> how did i guess in my head
[21:26:07] <PetefromTn> Actually both of the larger local shops could make those parts easily from what I see they both have sinker EDMS and make thier own electrodes..
[21:26:09] <zeeshan> it was aerospace related
[21:26:22] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: you can do it but it costs a lot
[21:26:26] <Tom_itx> nothing is flat in aerospace
[21:26:30] <zeeshan> the surface finish on the inside of the part is like 5micrometer
[21:26:45] <PetefromTn> Is it a mold then?
[21:26:47] <zeeshan> it has to be ground using a special custom designed grinding stone
[21:26:58] <Tom_itx> zeeshan see the one next to it?
[21:27:08] <zeeshan> the 12x7?
[21:27:17] <zeeshan> er
[21:27:23] <Tom_itx> in the Ti section
[21:27:25] <zeeshan> i was looking at the wrong one
[21:27:30] <zeeshan> holy shit what is that
[21:27:31] <Tom_itx> 3rd over
[21:27:38] <Tom_itx> trailing link for landing gear
[21:27:39] <Tom_itx> Ti
[21:27:48] <Tom_itx> the first articles were from solid billet
[21:27:55] <Tom_itx> then they provided forgings for us
[21:27:56] <PetefromTn> Is that piece cast then machined?
[21:28:03] <Tom_itx> oh hell no
[21:28:05] <PetefromTn> forged rather..
[21:28:17] <Tom_itx> the production ones were
[21:28:20] <PetefromTn> I am talking about the tube shaped one.
[21:28:26] <Tom_itx> first articles were solid billet
[21:28:31] <zeeshan> tube shaped one looks cast
[21:28:36] <zeeshan> i dont even know how you'd forge that
[21:28:43] <Tom_itx> they did
[21:28:52] <Tom_itx> talk about expensive...
[21:28:53] <zeeshan> that musta taken a 400 ton press
[21:28:57] <zeeshan> with some crazy expensive mold
[21:29:01] <zeeshan> and had to be done in stages
[21:29:02] <PetefromTn> So you machined the tube shaped one initially?
[21:29:12] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:29:15] <Tom_itx> from solid Ti
[21:29:26] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you know all about gd&t
[21:29:26] <PetefromTn> I dunno man that looks awful impossible..
[21:29:29] <zeeshan> since you work in aerospace
[21:29:34] <Tom_itx> probably about a week running 24/7
[21:29:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, not anymore
[21:30:02] <PetefromTn> You would need to fashion a custom ball shaped cutter and then it would still be nearly impossible.
[21:30:19] <Tom_itx> several positions
[21:30:29] <PetefromTn> Even with a five axis machine.
[21:30:42] <Tom_itx> i've got the model here somewhere
[21:30:53] <PetefromTn> If they actually pulled that off they are fuckin' master machinists...
[21:31:05] <Tom_itx> 3 axis
[21:31:06] <PetefromTn> My hats off to them.
[21:31:14] <Tom_itx> on a toumbstone
[21:31:31] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you still work at this place?
[21:31:42] <PetefromTn> I have seen folks make blind tube shaped stuff like that before but not that deep and angled and nothing is straight..
[21:31:47] <Tom_itx> no it was my bud's place and he retired and sold it to some jackoffs
[21:32:01] <Tom_itx> i still go out there once in a while
[21:32:11] <PetefromTn> to the jackoffs..
[21:32:22] <PetefromTn> ;)
[21:32:23] <zeeshan> money $$$
[21:32:24] <Tom_itx> to his smaller shop
[21:32:25] <zeeshan> win
[21:32:30] <Tom_itx> he still has some cncs
[21:32:35] <Tom_itx> in his 2nd shop
[21:32:44] <Tom_itx> that was his 3rd place he sold
[21:33:11] <PetefromTn> I noticed both of you showed these parts with 3d models..
[21:33:21] <Tom_itx> i think everything you see there was cut from solid material
[21:33:23] <zeeshan> what
[21:33:25] <zeeshan> mine were 2d
[21:33:26] <Tom_itx> except maybe 2 parts
[21:33:32] <zeeshan> =D
[21:33:39] <PetefromTn> Nope.
[21:33:46] <Tom_itx> the steering link in white at the bottom was forging
[21:33:52] <Tom_itx> first part from the left
[21:33:53] <zeeshan> well the detail drawings are always 2d
[21:33:58] <zeeshan> but ofcourse you gotta model the part in 3rd
[21:34:01] <zeeshan> *3d
[21:34:22] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn nearly all of ours had to be 3d
[21:34:31] <PetefromTn> exactly..
[21:34:34] <Tom_itx> i've done quite a few 2d flat parts
[21:34:45] <PetefromTn> which is why I am trying so hard to learn this 3d SCHTUFF...
[21:34:49] <zeeshan> i stopped doing autocad 2d prawings
[21:34:50] <Tom_itx> cams etc
[21:34:56] <zeeshan> 10 years ago
[21:34:56] <zeeshan> lol
[21:35:02] <zeeshan> ill kill myself before doing that shit again
[21:35:08] <zeeshan> it drove me insane
[21:35:23] <PetefromTn> Yeah you need to concentrate on more important stuff..
[21:35:24] <Tom_itx> there was a guy that did 3d in acad and used ncpolaris to post the code
[21:35:33] <zeeshan> 3d autocad
[21:35:34] <zeeshan> ROFL
[21:35:39] <PetefromTn> Like helping me get my Modbus spindle control working...
[21:35:40] <Tom_itx> he was GOOD at it too
[21:35:53] <skunkworks> heh - like stuarts shop - billet in -> shavings and thin part out.
[21:35:58] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/front-1.png
[21:36:00] <zeeshan> EW
[21:36:02] <zeeshan> i just found a pic
[21:36:03] <Tom_itx> skunkworks exactly
[21:36:08] <zeeshan> assignments lol
[21:36:15] <zeeshan> so i lied
[21:36:22] <Tom_itx> skunkworks he works for quite a few of the same clients
[21:36:29] <zeeshan> 6 years ago was the last time i used autocad
[21:36:56] <PetefromTn> Lots of folks draw 3d autocad... believe it or not..
[21:37:04] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: damn
[21:37:07] <Tom_itx> i've got my house plans in acad but that's about it
[21:37:29] <zeeshan> haha
[21:37:29] <PetefromTn> Most of the woodworking drawings I do are in autocad style..
[21:37:30] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/garage.png
[21:37:35] <zeeshan> even my garage plan layout
[21:37:39] <zeeshan> (very old one)
[21:37:39] <tjtr33> i still use MDT (all i got :)
[21:37:43] <zeeshan> was made in a 3d software
[21:37:43] <zeeshan> haha
[21:39:10] <zeeshan> heres a reason why i do stuff in 3D(even 2d parts)
[21:39:11] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/comparison.png
[21:39:27] <zeeshan> i was trying to optimize flat bar usage to make some stainless flanges
[21:40:00] <zeeshan> it was literally 1 angle mate that alows me to rotate stuff and 1 linear pattern
[21:40:09] <Tom_itx> you can still do that in 2d
[21:40:10] <zeeshan> i'd prolly go crazy in 2d autocad trying to figure that out
[21:40:16] <zeeshan> yea you can
[21:40:19] <zeeshan> but its a lot more effort!
[21:40:26] <Tom_itx> not really
[21:41:06] <zeeshan> and one other good reason i do stuf in 3rd is because
[21:41:07] <PetefromTn> Actually that is quite simple in autocad..
[21:41:20] <zeeshan> because you never know when your 2d parts will be used in a 3d assembly
[21:41:24] <Tom_itx> you just like doing it that way
[21:41:26] <zeeshan> or in a simulation analysis
[21:41:34] <zeeshan> or when you quickly need to find the mass of the part
[21:41:53] <zeeshan> or need the geometric properties like second moment of inertia
[21:41:56] * skunkworks still uses acad12 off and on
[21:42:01] <PetefromTn> the best thing about 3d cad is that you can change the design quickly and easily. and the changes are linked to other parts of the drawing. Parametric..
[21:42:10] <zeeshan> yessir
[21:42:21] <zeeshan> 2d just doesnt make sense in this day and age
[21:42:28] <zeeshan> if you're just machining stuff, sure it makes sense
[21:42:36] <zeeshan> but if youre designing stuff, i think 2d is out of date
[21:42:48] <skunkworks> I was corrupted by autocad in the 90's and it is hard for me to wrap my head around parametric cad...
[21:42:53] <PetefromTn> That and the parts relations are a more accurate portrayal of what the part will look like and what the assembly will look like and how it will fit together.
[21:42:56] <Tom_itx> skunkworks me too
[21:43:14] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: exactly you can do interference analysis if you want to..
[21:43:32] <skunkworks> I just need to play with it. have freecad installed - just have not really tried it.
[21:43:42] <zeeshan> honestly, i learned 3d modelling from a guy who was an expert in both autocad 2d and solidworks 3d
[21:43:55] <skunkworks> maybe by the time I get around to playing with it - they will have the cam working :)
[21:43:59] <PetefromTn> I actually quite like Freecad but it can be frustrating.
[21:43:59] <Tom_itx> i've been thru the solidworks tutorials a couple times but i still struggle with it
[21:44:02] <zeeshan> if i hadnt learned from him, i'd prolly be doing fucked up designs
[21:44:34] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: like what?
[21:44:37] <PetefromTn> Once you understand how the basics work it becomes simple but the more advanced stuff is diffiuclt...
[21:44:56] <skunkworks> I got pretty good at eagle cad - so I should be able to learn anything ;)
[21:44:57] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i just don't use it enough to be fluent
[21:45:03] <Tom_itx> heh
[21:45:06] <Tom_itx> i like eagle
[21:45:12] <zeeshan> all you gotta do is start making your 2d stuff in it :P
[21:45:13] <PetefromTn> Like I drew my first helical spring the other day and that was complex until I understood it.
[21:45:16] <skunkworks> so do I. very powerful
[21:45:20] <Tom_itx> i've used it since ver 2 or before
[21:45:29] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: now make that helical spring deform under a force
[21:45:29] <zeeshan> :D
[21:45:48] <PetefromTn> You can actually do that now apparently.
[21:45:57] <PetefromTn> I don't know how tho..
[21:46:01] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: too bad I missed you at stuarts..
[21:46:13] <PetefromTn> There is even a guy working on FEA stuff for freecad...
[21:46:18] <Tom_itx> yeah i was there a bit on friday i think
[21:46:40] <zeeshan> fea is a whole different ball game
[21:46:54] <zeeshan> but without some strength of materials background
[21:46:58] <zeeshan> the results are meaningless
[21:47:09] <zeeshan> like you can do a stress analysis on a welding table to see how much weight it can hold
[21:47:28] <zeeshan> and it's all fine, but now if you go do the same thing on a milling machine
[21:47:48] <zeeshan> the default fea results are going to give you some really wrong results
[21:47:54] <UnderSampled> I have an old computer running old emc (from 2005), specifically with freqmod, and I want to reconfigure the parallel pinout so that X comes out of A and it acts like a three axis cartesian instead of a four axis with turntable
[21:47:54] <Tom_itx> skunkworks being the first time i kinda felt outta place a bit. didn't have any 'show n tell' stuff
[21:48:28] <UnderSampled> but I couldn't find any documentation on how to change the pinout
[21:48:32] <skunkworks> I didn't either.. I just show up to bullshit..
[21:48:41] <zeeshan> how old are you guys?
[21:48:41] <zeeshan> :P
[21:48:45] <Tom_itx> i did get the tour though
[21:48:55] <Tom_itx> older than dirt
[21:48:59] <skunkworks> well - I did bring the accupins stuff - and with the help of almost everyone I think - got them working
[21:49:05] <PetefromTn> I wish I could have made it to that meeting...
[21:49:06] <zeeshan> hehe
[21:49:20] <PetefromTn> I'm 43
[21:49:23] <Tom_itx> what day were you there?
[21:49:24] <Connor_iPad> What meeting?
[21:49:26] <zeeshan> you old farts
[21:49:26] <zeeshan> :D
[21:49:27] <skunkworks> I am only 40 ;)
[21:49:30] <zeeshan> how old is connor
[21:49:32] <zeeshan> connor sounds young
[21:49:41] <Connor_iPad> 38
[21:49:45] <Tom_itx> what a pup
[21:49:46] <zeeshan> haha, wow
[21:49:53] <zeeshan> am i the youngest here :{
[21:50:00] <PetefromTn> Really I thought you were younger than that man...
[21:50:03] <Connor_iPad> Why do I sound young?
[21:50:12] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: I don't remember - but I was there friday. We usually try to go for 4 or 5 days
[21:50:19] <zeeshan> connor i don't know lol
[21:50:20] <PetefromTn> you look kinda young honestly...
[21:50:34] <zeeshan> i just thought you were like my age
[21:50:38] <Connor_iPad> Let me shave my beard and mustache off.
[21:50:40] <zeeshan> im only 12
[21:51:04] <zeeshan> troll attempt failed. 29
[21:51:33] <skunkworks> I have a 1.5 year old... It keeps me young..;)
[21:51:42] <Connor_iPad> Wife forbade to shave off the mustache again.
[21:52:19] <skunkworks> heh - my wife said I couldn't have a mustache.. (said I looked like a paedophile..)
[21:52:39] <Tom_itx> heh
[21:52:45] <Connor_iPad> Jack of all trades and master of none.
[21:53:01] <Tom_itx> skunkworks are you in any of the pics from there?
[21:53:12] <Connor_iPad> I still find myself drawing with pen/pencil and paper.
[21:53:19] <skunkworks> probably.. where are the pictures?
[21:53:26] <Tom_itx> i don't remembe
[21:53:27] <Tom_itx> r
[21:53:32] <skunkworks> oh - I probably have some somewhere
[21:53:33] <zeeshan> the strongest tool a person can own is a pen!
[21:53:39] <PetefromTn> I have a 12 year old and a six year old.. and two stepkids
[21:54:13] <PetefromTn> I prefer a mechanical pencil..
[21:54:36] <zeeshan> me too
[21:54:37] <skunkworks> zeeshan: http://electronicsam.com/images/turbo/
[21:55:00] <zeeshan> haha
[21:55:05] <zeeshan> did you seriously modify a turbine housing
[21:55:10] <zeeshan> to put in a larger turbine wheel
[21:55:37] <zeeshan> bad ass
[21:55:44] <skunkworks> yes
[21:55:54] <Tom_itx> somebody's gotta do it
[21:56:07] <skunkworks> well - I got 13t's from wrx to replace my 9b's
[21:56:07] <zeeshan> you could buy a new housing you know :P
[21:56:11] <zeeshan> oh
[21:56:13] <PetefromTn> I machined a turbo oiler once for a drag bike on a 3 in 1 machine.
[21:56:33] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3801.JPG
[21:56:42] <skunkworks> andyp and jepler
[21:56:45] <UnderSampled> I have an old computer running old emc (from 2005), specifically with freqmod, and I want to reconfigure the parallel pinout so that X comes out of A and it acts like a three axis cartesian instead of a four axis with turntable. How do I do that?
[21:56:45] <PetefromTn> Bike ran 8's in the quarter and ran about a dozen runs before he blew the motor to pieces..
[21:56:54] <Tom_itx> yeah i figured those 2 out
[21:56:54] <zeeshan> skunkworks: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/A35EA8A0-4559-4D08-9945-7D9957D23F40-3855-000004121F27C8F0_zpsb8fd11f5.jpg
[21:56:56] <zeeshan> :)
[21:57:28] <skunkworks> zeeshan: cool - what v8?
[21:57:35] <PetefromTn> Ooh that is pretty..
[21:57:39] <Tom_itx> i think i avoided all the cameras
[21:57:47] <zeeshan> lq9 (6L) from the lsx family
[21:57:48] <PetefromTn> who is that in the pic?
[21:58:15] <PetefromTn> Lets see some mugshots so we know who we are talkin' to....
[21:58:20] <zeeshan> haha
[21:58:22] <zeeshan> im hiding
[21:58:27] <PetefromTn> wuss..
[21:58:31] <zeeshan> i don't want you guys going 'we got a goddamn terrorist in here'
[21:58:34] <Tom_itx> zeeshan were you at the fest?
[21:58:35] <zeeshan> damn americans
[21:58:43] <zeeshan> no
[21:58:48] <skunkworks> I am farthest away on the left.. http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3809.JPG
[21:59:06] <zeeshan> what arte you guys doing on the computers
[21:59:07] <UnderSampled> zeeshan: how'd you get access to solidworks?
[21:59:10] <skunkworks> cradek is sitting next to me
[21:59:14] <Tom_itx> skunkworks remember seeing you there
[21:59:17] <zeeshan> UnderSampled: "student license"
[21:59:22] <Tom_itx> so intent...
[21:59:25] <skunkworks> heh
[21:59:53] <zeeshan> what are you guys doing
[22:00:00] <zeeshan> configuring linuxcnc?
[22:00:06] <morfic-> Good evening
[22:00:08] <Tom_itx> you can't tell??
[22:00:08] <zeeshan> =)
[22:00:11] <zeeshan> hahah
[22:00:19] <Connor_iPad> skunkworks: The white haired guy is you?
[22:00:36] <skunkworks> heh - yes. I have been white since college
[22:01:05] <Tom_itx> my kid's gonna do that too i bet
[22:01:06] <PetefromTn> Okay so skunkie is in the dark grey shirt in the first room on the end and cradek is next to him closer in..
[22:01:17] <Tom_itx> he's had a patch of white since near birth
[22:01:28] <Connor_iPad> Got the camera working with DRO overlay using camview.
[22:01:34] <skunkworks> I could lose 40lbs
[22:01:42] <zeeshan> give me the 40lbs
[22:01:43] <zeeshan> i need it
[22:01:45] <Tom_itx> who's next to andy in that pic?
[22:01:50] <Tom_itx> foreground
[22:02:17] <skunkworks> matts son, andy, jepler
[22:02:30] <zeeshan> i found the most retarded pic of me
[22:02:31] <zeeshan> haha
[22:02:33] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/23u3acx-1.jpg
[22:02:37] <Tom_itx> who's across from him then?
[22:02:37] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/295852
[22:02:41] <zeeshan> some people drink and drive. some people text and drive
[22:02:49] <zeeshan> and theres me laptoping and driving
[22:02:51] <morfic-> while it's not really linuxcnc, i know this is exactly what some guys in here do in their sleep, what circuit do i need if i want to use a single push button to control 3 output, push once, output1 is high, push again, output 2 is high, push again, output 3 is high, push again, all off again, can't come up with the right terms to have google find me what i want
[22:02:55] <skunkworks> heh - tuning!
[22:03:01] <zeeshan> haha
[22:03:04] <zeeshan> AEM EMS!
[22:03:12] <skunkworks> nice
[22:03:24] <skunkworks> I never could bring my self to spend the money..
[22:03:26] <Tom_itx> morfic- any number of things...
[22:03:29] <zeeshan> i got it dirt cheap
[22:03:37] <Tom_itx> a flipflop would do that
[22:03:56] <morfic-> smallest of those many solutions then, space is precious
[22:04:02] <zeeshan> PetefromTn is a happy guy
[22:04:03] <Tom_itx> an avr would too if programmed to do so
[22:04:06] <skunkworks> Wow - PetefromTn - I would have never guessed..
[22:04:20] <PetefromTn> huh whaddya mean ;)
[22:04:36] <Tom_itx> morfic- an attiny5 would, it's a sot23-6
[22:04:41] <Tom_itx> 4 io
[22:04:52] <Tom_itx> 1 in 3 out
[22:04:53] <zeeshan> skunkworks: what was that meet about?
[22:04:59] <PetefromTn> That the same as andypugh?
[22:05:15] <skunkworks> I don't know what I was picturing - but not a clean cut guy.. :)
[22:05:25] <PetefromTn> who me?
[22:05:34] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: yes
[22:06:00] <skunkworks> zeeshan: a bunch of linuxcnc developers get togather to hack (and a bunch of us users watch..)
[22:06:04] <morfic-> Tom_itx: anything without a microcontroler?
[22:06:13] <PetefromTn> LOL I spent a bunch of years in the US Coast Guard and never got used to having too much hair after that LOL...
[22:06:19] <zeeshan> haha thats cool
[22:06:40] <zeeshan> if i was there i would be trolling them
[22:06:59] <Tom_itx> seems there was alot more going on in the conference room than outside it
[22:07:06] <PetefromTn> What because I am PeteFromTn I should be a long haired redneck with buck teeth huh hehe
[22:07:07] <skunkworks> I do stand.. but http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG
[22:07:08] <morfic-> Tom_itx: i think my boss' eyes would glaze over the moment i say "and we can program it to do that"
[22:07:11] <tjtr33> morfic, hal logic, a counter that resets itself (0 1 2 3), a state machine
[22:07:19] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: maybe.. ;)
[22:07:28] <zeeshan> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG <- andy looks like
[22:07:34] <skunkworks> business up front - party in the back..
[22:07:34] <zeeshan> "I CANNOT FIND THE GODDAMN BUG
[22:07:43] <morfic-> tjtr33: stand alone, not inside emc
[22:07:56] <zeeshan> where was the fest at?
[22:08:03] <tjtr33> hal is not inside emc ( not neccesarily )
[22:08:04] <PetefromTn> Andy who?
[22:08:08] <Tom_itx> pugh
[22:08:09] <zeeshan> isnt that andy?
[22:08:10] <zeeshan> lol
[22:08:20] <Tom_itx> at stuart's place
[22:08:21] <PetefromTn> Which one is he?
[22:08:23] <skunkworks> it has been in quite a few places.. But the the last time was at stuarts shop in wichita ks
[22:08:28] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn the brit
[22:08:37] <zeeshan> if i showed up in kansas i'd be shot
[22:08:52] <PetefromTn> yeah no kidding but which one in the picture LOL..
[22:09:11] <morfic-> tjtr33: i meant a small circuit to fit inside a match box, not around a pc :)
[22:09:13] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG
[22:09:16] <Tom_itx> the middle one
[22:09:22] <zeeshan> honestly the last time i was in the states was in 2012 in outskirts of NY. i was at a dennys waiting for some takeout and a bunch of bikers walked by me and theyre like "sniff sniff.... smells like TALIBAN in here"
[22:09:23] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:09:29] <zeeshan> i started laughing but they were serious
[22:09:30] <zeeshan> ;[
[22:09:38] <tjtr33> nah, they were watching Charles make Venus De Milo on the extruder
[22:09:42] <zeeshan> 2002 not 2012
[22:10:02] <tjtr33> morfic, then atmega or pic or arduino
[22:10:06] <PetefromTn> Okay so he has a high and tight like me then...No wonder I like him heheh
[22:11:12] <skunkworks> zeeshan: that is sad.. Lots of idiots in the US
[22:11:32] <Tom_itx> they keep sending us more too
[22:11:48] <PetefromTn> ROFL.
[22:12:08] <Tom_itx> morfic- it would be a good solution
[22:12:12] <Tom_itx> cost effective
[22:12:13] <PetefromTn> Tom so where is your picture man?
[22:12:25] <Tom_itx> i'm not in any of those
[22:12:34] <Tom_itx> that i have found
[22:12:50] <morfic-> price of those ATtiny are certainly not an issue
[22:12:54] <PetefromTn> I posted my mugshot with a shit eating grin so we need to see your smilin' face now too...
[22:13:12] <morfic-> i'd "just" have to learn how to actually use them ;P
[22:13:23] <Tom_itx> not difficult
[22:13:46] <Tom_itx> decade counter might work too
[22:13:59] <tjtr33> asm isnt bad, but there's tinyC's and arduino / processing
[22:14:02] <PetefromTn> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG Who's the guy in the foreground..
[22:14:25] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[22:14:34] <morfic-> motley: you wouldn't happen to build android kernels, would you?
[22:14:41] <tjtr33> wrote the hal gui, wrote rockhopper
[22:14:47] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: I don't remember his name.. He isn't on irc - he has developed an android app for controlling linuxcncn
[22:15:02] <PetefromTn> Okay cool..
[22:15:15] <Tom_itx> the dude with the reprap sure captured a croud
[22:15:34] <PetefromTn> is that in the other room there?
[22:15:40] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:16:24] <Tom_itx> morfic- you could do it with relays
[22:16:35] <skunkworks> that is Charles Steinkuehler - he has done a lot of the work on BBB
[22:16:52] <tjtr33> the reprap guy is Charles S. He and Michael H are leading the machinekit effort
[22:16:52] <Tom_itx> yeah i knew he was working on BBB
[22:17:11] <PetefromTn> Is he in that picture?
[22:17:14] <Tom_itx> no
[22:17:16] <morfic-> s/relays/transistors/ ?
[22:17:26] <Tom_itx> he sat by the front door most of when i was there
[22:17:57] <skunkworks> his head is actually right in front of cradeks..
[22:18:01] <skunkworks> glasses
[22:18:07] <PetefromTn> Nice to be able to put a face to the names here.
[22:18:11] <morfic-> Tom_itx: you got a hardings lathe? or am i thinking of the wrong guy? ("going up to the house and down to the machine"?)
[22:18:18] <Tom_itx> no
[22:18:35] <PetefromTn> Dark hair?4
[22:19:03] <morfic-> Tom_itx: dangit, haven't been in here in so long, the nick is familiar, but obviously my guesses are weak sauce
[22:19:25] <skunkworks> yes
[22:19:48] <tjtr33> seems there was some effort to align names and pix right after the fest, it was deemed not wanted
[22:19:48] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3939.JPG
[22:19:54] <Tom_itx> is that cradek?
[22:20:13] <skunkworks> chris morley
[22:20:19] <Tom_itx> ahh ok
[22:20:20] <PetefromTn> In the chair?
[22:20:23] <skunkworks> yes
[22:20:31] <Tom_itx> i new it was one of the chris's
[22:20:32] <skunkworks> I am to the right
[22:20:48] <PetefromTn> holding the drink..
[22:20:52] <Tom_itx> holding the wall up
[22:20:56] <tjtr33> notabeer
[22:21:19] <skunkworks> you can just see mesa pete - to the right of me
[22:21:19] <PetefromTn> that must be charles head then in the foreground.
[22:21:31] <cradek> pretty sure that's jmk's head
[22:21:33] <skunkworks> no - that is john k
[22:21:46] <PetefromTn> so PCW is the white beard guy...
[22:21:57] <Tom_itx> orange shirt?
[22:22:03] <tjtr33> john wont appreciate being identified by the pate
[22:22:13] <PetefromTn> LOL...
[22:22:19] <cradek> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3937.JPG
[22:22:30] <cradek> much better picture of the same folks
[22:22:49] <skunkworks> that is a good picture.. I think dad dropped the camera or something...
[22:22:51] <cradek> if I remember right, sam's dad was struggling to take the photo and eat a donut at the same time
[22:22:53] <Tom_itx> that's pete in the doorway?
[22:22:59] <skunkworks> that was it :)
[22:23:02] <PetefromTn> so orange shirt is PCE
[22:23:06] <PetefromTn> PCW.
[22:23:07] <skunkworks> yes
[22:23:23] <skunkworks> cradek all the way to the right
[22:23:26] <Tom_itx> so how'd you get em all to smile at once?
[22:23:27] <zeeshan> are all those guys in the pic
[22:23:29] <zeeshan> programmers?
[22:23:30] <PetefromTn> whos in blue to the right..
[22:23:35] <cradek> me
[22:23:45] <PetefromTn> Hey man nice to meet ya LOL
[22:24:03] <zeeshan> someone brought a whole bag of apples
[22:24:59] <PetefromTn> So that is the whole gang there Chris Morley, Chris Radek, Skunkie, PCW, hehehe...
[22:25:10] <zeeshan> the elites
[22:25:19] <skunkworks> and john K
[22:25:27] <Tom_itx> which is he?
[22:25:32] <PetefromTn> Was JT there?
[22:25:42] <Tom_itx> i saw his nametag but didn't see him
[22:25:44] <skunkworks> right in front of pcw
[22:25:45] <tjtr33> JMK dead ctr
[22:25:48] <morfic-> Tom_itx: http://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Switch#.Uw1oZnddXWo so instead of on /off controlling one output pin i could loop though an array of output pins (That code looks easy)
[22:25:54] <cradek> I have still never met jt
[22:26:07] <cradek> he may be a robot
[22:26:12] <PetefromTn> so he wasn't there I guess..
[22:26:25] <Tom_itx> may have come later
[22:26:38] <tjtr33> morfic if else pinball to get the 4 sequential states
[22:26:53] <tjtr33> JT didnt come
[22:27:10] <PetefromTn> tjtr33: which one are you?
[22:27:16] <zeeshan> i thank the linuxcnc develoeprs
[22:27:16] <Tom_itx> i thought he might have come on the weekend since his tag was there
[22:27:24] <tjtr33> face erased by NSA :)
[22:27:28] <zeeshan> for making linuxcnc.
[22:27:40] <zeeshan> and giving me a better platform than mach 3:)
[22:27:45] <PetefromTn> exactly right...
[22:27:51] <Tom_itx> morfic- yeah the code would be pretty simple
[22:28:07] <zeeshan> hopefully i can somehow help in the future :)
[22:28:08] <tjtr33> http://fenn.freeshell.org/retrofest/dcp_0365.jpg
[22:28:32] <zeeshan> i'm good with partial differential equations and numerical techniques
[22:29:13] <morfic-> Tom_itx: i'll see if i can google a fully analog circuit first (not that i had much luck so far)
[22:29:21] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3863.JPG
[22:29:25] <Tom_itx> there's stuart
[22:29:44] <skunkworks> and there is tjtr33...
[22:29:58] <PetefromTn> which ones?
[22:30:12] <skunkworks> left of stuart - standing
[22:30:22] <zeeshan> looks like someone has got gladevcp open
[22:30:53] <PetefromTn> huh which one is stuart?
[22:31:01] <Tom_itx> orange shirt
[22:31:03] <tjtr33> me stand stuart sit
[22:31:37] <zeeshan> i like how everyones using ethernet
[22:31:41] <morfic-> Tom_itx: if i could find more On-On-On-Off switches I'd be ok too :)
[22:31:43] <PetefromTn> Okay whats stuarts screen name here?
[22:31:44] <zeeshan> its like wireless cards are the devil
[22:31:45] <zeeshan> lol
[22:32:07] <tjtr33> doesnt come here (much) try the mail list
[22:32:09] <morfic-> zeeshan: they aren't?
[22:32:10] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn he doesn't frequent irc
[22:32:20] <zeeshan> all i see is ethernet cables everywhere
[22:32:20] <zeeshan> hehe
[22:32:26] <PetefromTn> Oh okay I thought he was someone in here...
[22:32:42] <PetefromTn> I need to network my home computers here.
[22:32:58] <PetefromTn> Gotta get my lappie talking to my deskie...
[22:32:59] <Tom_itx> i've got a 24port hub under the desk
[22:33:24] <zeeshan> the cnc computer is got an ethernet cable connected to one of those power line adapters on the wall
[22:33:35] <zeeshan> thats the way i got around not using wireless on it
[22:33:44] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3870.JPG
[22:33:51] <Tom_itx> one of the early coders wasn't he?
[22:34:19] <zeeshan> you guys really love your mesa cards
[22:34:20] <zeeshan> eh
[22:34:22] <tjtr33> thats Matt, thank this man for getting emc outta NIST and into your hands!
[22:34:49] <PetefromTn> yeah eh..
[22:34:54] <zeeshan> i might use the mesa card for the mill
[22:35:00] <zeeshan> so i can do a 5axis!
[22:35:23] <PetefromTn> wouldn't know where to begin with a five axis.
[22:35:44] <PetefromTn> who is the guy in the green shirt.
[22:36:09] <zeeshan> after seeing everyone's pic
[22:36:13] <zeeshan> now i know my generated sucks ass
[22:36:18] <zeeshan> *generation sucks ass.
[22:36:31] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3806.JPG
[22:36:39] <Tom_itx> finally found one of mharbler i think
[22:36:42] <zeeshan> i don't know a single person in my year of mech eng thats into machining
[22:36:52] <tjtr33> green shirt = Matts son
[22:37:21] <tjtr33> Jon Elson ctr looking at watch
[22:38:08] <tjtr33> MHA left , seated behind matt, john? standing up ( texas coder )
[22:38:25] <cradek> standing is zultron
[22:38:33] <Tom_itx> ok enough clicking for one night
[22:38:41] <tjtr33> zultron ( dang alien nicks )
[22:38:54] <PetefromTn> I find it interesting that there are so many people logged into this chat yet so few actually say anything...
[22:39:18] <jdh> and others who just say nothing useful!
[22:39:29] <Tom_itx> like me :)
[22:39:30] <cradek> hey be nice. I try.
[22:39:32] <PetefromTn> hehehe I resemble that remark..
[22:39:35] <tjtr33> nudge nudge
[22:40:07] <zeeshan> EMC Corporation proposed that the LinuxCNC project, as previously named, would be confusing for customers or potential customers with their (mainly) storage related products.
[22:40:09] <zeeshan> haha are you serious
[22:40:12] <Connor_iPad> Hey now
[22:40:16] <PetefromTn> I try too ...my mommy says I am VERY trying....
[22:40:29] <tjtr33> gnite all
[22:40:43] <PetefromTn> Nite tjtr33
[22:40:54] <Connor_iPad> Yea. That was a bunch of bs
[22:41:02] <zeeshan> just reading the history of it
[22:41:04] <zeeshan> and im suprised..
[22:41:08] <zeeshan> "The EMC Public Domain software system was originally developed by NIST"
[22:41:23] <zeeshan> usually nist isn't particularly known for having public software
[22:41:32] <zeeshan> i have a bunch of their interpolators
[22:41:35] <zeeshan> and they're all private code.
[22:41:50] <zeeshan> had to use their papers to write the code in matlab
[22:42:00] <morfic-> PetefromTn: i used to let my client idle in here just to log and later i would grep the logs to find answers, helped a lot, maybe the rest does the same?
[22:42:24] <PetefromTn> possibly...I come here to learn and shoot the shit LOL
[22:42:54] <PetefromTn> Never been on an IRC before this.
[22:43:25] <PetefromTn> what does grep mean?
[22:43:37] <zeeshan> searches text data
[22:44:01] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/295852 Handsome fella huh....HUH....sigh.
[22:44:05] <zeeshan> like in the command lime you can go "dmesg | grep pci"
[22:44:14] <zeeshan> and itll show you all the lines where pci shows up on the dmesg
[22:45:09] <PetefromTn> how do you make that tall I symbol?
[22:45:25] <zeeshan> on my keyboard shift + \ key
[22:45:54] <PetefromTn> huh never done that before.
[22:46:12] <PetefromTn> dmesg | grep pcw
[22:46:27] <PetefromTn> hehehehehe
[22:46:49] <PetefromTn> I must be tired little things are starting to amuse me.
[22:47:07] <zeeshan> i used to use slackware 7 to 10
[22:47:11] <zeeshan> and it was not usefriendly at all
[22:47:16] <zeeshan> you had to learn all these commands to even do anything
[22:47:45] <zeeshan> so coming back to ubuntu from windows after a long time wasn't too bad
[22:47:54] <zeeshan> its way more develoepd now
[22:48:03] <PetefromTn> jeez man who makes up the names for this stuff...
[22:48:28] <PetefromTn> I mean where do you come up with UBUNTU LOL...
[22:49:00] <zeeshan> well in philisophy it means "an ethical concept"
[22:49:04] <PetefromTn> apologies if it was one of you guys of course ;)
[22:49:30] <PetefromTn> interesting, did not know that.
[22:49:32] <zeeshan> Ubuntu (/?'b?ntu?/ uu-BUUN-too)[7][8] is a Debian-based Linux operating system, with Unity as its default desktop environment (formerly GNOME). It is based on free software and named after the Southern African philosophy of ubuntu (literally, "human-ness"), which often is translated as "humanity towards others"
[22:49:51] <zeeshan> =D
[22:50:48] <PetefromTn> I bought that RS232-RS485 adapter the other day man should get here soon...
[22:51:05] <zeeshan> did connor get the driver compiled
[22:51:14] <Connor_iPad> OT yet
[22:51:17] <PetefromTn> I don't think so he was having some problems.
[22:51:22] <Connor_iPad> Not yet
[22:51:23] <zeeshan> just write the driver man
[22:51:26] <zeeshan> itll be faster :)
[22:52:47] <Connor_iPad> Yea. Well.
[22:53:00] <PetefromTn> Can't wait to have a spindle meter and load meter and schtuff...
[22:53:06] <Connor_iPad> Bit busy I
[22:53:26] <Connor_iPad> I'll rework it to be stand alone.
[22:53:32] <zeeshan> for sure
[22:53:50] <zeeshan> i tried reading through the userspace component stuff
[22:53:54] <zeeshan> and it looks like a hassle
[22:54:08] <zeeshan> mainly cause i dont understand it
[22:54:18] <PetefromTn> you too...LOL
[22:55:14] <zeeshan> the way kirk wallace wrote the driver
[22:55:26] <zeeshan> a moderate programmer can understand it
[22:55:33] <zeeshan> you don't need to be super advanced :P
[22:57:20] <PetefromTn> you mean Curtis Dutton?
[22:57:28] <zeeshan> no
[22:57:35] <zeeshan> he wrote your driver
[22:57:38] <PetefromTn> hehe
[22:57:50] <zeeshan> kirk wrote a driver that could read only
[22:57:52] <zeeshan> but not write
[22:58:48] <PetefromTn> Well folks I better get to bed. NIce chatting with all of you tonight.
[22:59:38] <morfic-> Tom_itx: you rock, i didn't pick up on decade counter since it meant nothing to me, but after much googling, the closest IC is a decade counter :)
[23:01:23] <Tom_itx> i still think the attiny5 would be the trick
[23:03:15] <morfic-> for what simple i want i think something i can wire and not program is what we'd want (yes, the at tiny stuff most certainly could from what i looked at)
[23:04:14] <Connor_iPad> morfic-: What are you building?
[23:04:44] <Tom_itx> single input 3 output switch
[23:04:48] <Tom_itx> toggle
[23:05:26] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: Tom_itx is 100% correct
[23:05:35] <Connor_iPad> Yea. But for what?
[23:05:46] <Tom_itx> gnite
[23:05:49] <morfic-> controlling lights
[23:05:55] <morfic-> Tom_itx: g'night and thanks
[23:07:06] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: i no longer work on emc2, but i knew someone in here will lead me in the right direction based on what i experienced when i did
[23:07:22] <Connor_iPad> Hy not?
[23:07:32] <Connor_iPad> Err why not?
[23:09:04] <Connor_iPad> Why you no longer doing anything with emc? morfic-
[23:09:22] <morfic-> i got booted off the project by my ex boss because i spooked him to replying to the contractor we hired, but didn't hit reply all, so boss saw my reply when the contraactor replied to me and CC: my boss back on
[23:10:09] <morfic-> from what i heard, they still don't have that moriseiki doing anything now
[23:10:50] <morfic-> but the contractor used to be on irc, he should know more about it than me, his nick is something with "bear" in it, but don't recall his full nick
[23:11:21] <morfic-> but he walked into the company "oh, so you are morfic", one of the two times someone called me that in real life :)
[23:12:18] <Connor_iPad> I followed most of that except for the email part.
[23:12:23] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: still scared of them using optical touch screens on a machine tool that can kill someone
[23:12:49] <Connor_iPad> As long as it has a estop what's the problem?
[23:13:14] <Connor_iPad> Mine will have a touch screen.
[23:14:44] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: contractor had a few questions of what to prep before coming in and i told him that the actual UI layout doesn't have to be all done, since we can change it to our liking anyway, i mentioned how the UI Would be a locked down simple WM instead of a full DE, all stuff my boss didn't understand and he told my manager that he thought i want to "take over the project", i just tried to keep the project on track since the boss was on a cruise
[23:14:44] <morfic-> ship at the time and had a detailed list of things he wants to see done when he gets back
[23:14:57] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: optical is what scares me
[23:16:01] <morfic-> it's neither resistive nor capacitive, optical, as in a fly landing on the screen will push buttons as will any dust ball falling from the ceiling, a chip flying on the screen from adjacent machine etc.
[23:17:27] <Connor> No sure I follow when you mean optical.. you mean like a IR based one ?
[23:17:45] <morfic-> not sure what light is used, but the touches are sensed by light
[23:17:58] <Connor> IR then.
[23:18:08] <Connor> They're really good.. what's your concern ?
[23:18:17] <Connor> as long as not used in direct sunlight
[23:18:42] <morfic-> i knew optical meant it sees anything but a fly landing on the 2nd screen stole the mouse cursor to the other screen, so a fly , dust balls, chips will be able to "push a button"
[23:19:23] <Connor> you saying that happened ?
[23:19:41] <morfic-> yes, while i was working on the X Driver for the touch screen
[23:20:15] <Connor> I'm not sure ANYTHING can do that.. I think it has to have some heat..
[23:20:16] <morfic-> i found one that almost worked and was able to modify it to work with the screens, and while i tested i had a small fly trigger button pushes all over the screen
[23:20:37] <morfic-> i'm talking about what i saw, not about what i speculate about :)
[23:20:58] <morfic-> it already happened
[23:21:26] <Connor> Mine is a resistance one. so, that not going to happen
[23:21:41] <morfic-> right, that's what i thought we'd get
[23:22:47] <morfic-> but then boss wanted 2 19" monitors instead of a mouse, which is great, he just bought two without asking if it's supported and it wasn't, there was a half working driver i found and it was easy to work on and so he lucid out on the driver side
[23:23:01] <morfic-> so we ended up with optical screens
[23:23:12] <morfic-> so we ended up with optical *touch* screens
[23:23:23] <morfic-> i guess most screens are optical :P
[23:23:26] <Connor> WooT! I got the sj200_vfd to compile..
[23:24:00] <Connor> Elo the best brand for touch.
[23:24:06] <Connor> They do ALL kinds.
[23:24:47] <morfic-> that works for a rational boss who listens
[23:27:33] <morfic-> like the spindle servo that's WAY oversized
[23:28:24] <Connor> you can lead a horse to water, but can't make them drink
[23:28:51] <morfic-> imagine you warning your boss
[23:29:04] <morfic-> then the huge servo sits in the frame
[23:29:18] <morfic-> "why did we buy such a large servo??"