#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-02-19

[00:00:02] <PetefromTn> 6:00
[01:06:14] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:15:06] <Deejay> moin
[08:15:36] <R2E4_awy> mornin....
[08:50:43] <archivist> looks like afternoon to me
[08:51:05] <R2E4> hehe
[10:12:33] <jthornton> Tom_itx, http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[10:27:17] <MrSunshine> clamping oversized stuff in ER collets ... hows that?
[10:27:23] <MrSunshine> 3.175mm in a 3mm collet for example =)
[10:27:58] <cradek> if it's ER40, use the 4mm collet instead
[10:28:05] <MrSunshine> ER20
[10:28:20] <cradek> then probably just don't
[10:28:25] <MrSunshine> meh =)
[10:28:35] <cradek> ER will clamp down some amount, the big ones are 1mm, you'd have to look up smaller ones
[10:29:11] <MrSunshine> trying to find the rotary tool adapter sleaves (like dremel etc) i know i have some and i think they are even mm on the outside
[10:29:23] <archivist> I think there is not enough taper engagement with ER series
[10:29:56] <cradek> huh at least some ER20 are 1mm clamping range
[10:30:07] <cradek> maybe you can actually use the 4mm ER20
[10:30:41] <MrSunshine> i could try i guess
[10:30:47] <cradek> http://www.shop-apt.co.uk/er-collets-standard-series/er20-collet-4mm-3mm-clamping-range-standard-series.html
[10:30:56] <cradek> if you trust this random site
[10:31:19] <MrSunshine> hehe =)
[10:32:08] <MrSunshine> hell ill just try =) but a 3.175 and a 6.35mm collet is gonna be bought atleast to acommidate these tools =)
[10:32:20] <MrSunshine> even tho i usaly work in metric you never know what you end up with =)
[10:32:21] <cradek> you could get a 3.5mm ER20
[10:32:38] <MrSunshine> true dat
[10:32:40] <cradek> oh it's 1/8"
[10:32:46] <cradek> then get a 1/8" collet, haha
[10:32:49] <MrSunshine> mm
[10:32:55] <MrSunshine> 1/8, 1/4
[10:33:08] <MrSunshine> dont know .. shanks closer to 8mm in imperial ?
[10:33:18] <cradek> yeah get inch collets for those very common inch sizes...
[10:33:39] <MrSunshine> mm
[10:33:43] <MrSunshine> not bad to have =)
[10:33:52] <MrSunshine> like i said ... not often you end up using them but sometimes .. just sometimes =)
[10:33:55] <MrSunshine> like in this case :P
[10:34:20] <cradek> I'd think you would find that 1/8 shank tools are super common if you do small stuff
[10:35:49] <MrSunshine> mm
[10:35:58] <MrSunshine> 6.35 tho i guess is not so common =)
[10:36:29] <MrSunshine> these super small stuff is gonna move to an engraver im thinking of making later tho ... the router isnt realy optimized for these small tooling =)
[11:56:03] <R2E4> jthornton; on your servo tuning tutorial, under Tuning Order, the halscope shows it at max stiffness, would the osicilations show on the ferror and/or the pos-fb?
[11:58:18] <WalterN> just got a butt ton of copper bars to tun into parts
[11:58:37] <WalterN> 1.5" diameter and 1.25" diameter
[12:02:55] <WalterN> 5,000 lbs of copper if I'm reading this right
[12:04:08] <jthornton> R2E4, if I understand your question and oscillations will show up as a following error
[12:05:02] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:05:11] <pcw_home> (or you will hear it)
[12:05:14] <ssi_> anyone have any experience with NC turret punches?
[12:05:24] <ssi_> I'm receiving a diacro VT19 NC this afternoon
[12:05:30] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: norway now overtaken us on the golds
[12:06:10] <ssi> it's a punchtape machine that I'm gonna retrofit, but I know nothing about the existing electronics on it yet :)
[12:07:04] <IchGuckLive> ssi: there are bunch of retrofits on the web for this mashine type
[12:07:21] <ssi> cool... I haven't been able to find anything about this machine specifically
[12:07:27] <WalterN> yeah donno
[12:07:32] <IchGuckLive> ssi: jesusalois from spain did one last jear
[12:08:07] <ssi> should be a fun project
[12:08:16] <ssi> and will be a useful machine for making small airplane parts
[12:08:26] <ssi> Van's uses big trumpf machines to make all their kit parts
[12:08:37] <IchGuckLive> ssi: there are some patlist and electronic books about on ebay 40USD
[12:08:58] <IchGuckLive> 903 and 906 serie
[12:09:15] <ssi> those diacro serieses?
[12:09:24] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:09:28] <ssi> yea I see it
[12:09:58] <IchGuckLive> i woudt go to the manufacture itself
[12:10:15] <IchGuckLive> its normaly just a phoncall or mail to get the pdf version
[12:10:49] <PetefromTn> WalterN: Man where I used to work we did a bunch of copper parts in a VMC and it was NASTY.... Made the coolant all shitty and was a real bitch making everything corrode quickly. Did you have this experience?
[12:11:22] <WalterN> PetefromTn: uh, not with the coolant...
[12:11:33] <WalterN> thats strange
[12:12:10] <PetefromTn> I just remember it corroded the vises and we had a bitch of a time cleaning it all up. I think it was copper at least it has been awhile.
[12:12:12] <WalterN> things do tend to turn green though
[12:12:26] <PetefromTn> yeah exactly everything turned green...
[12:12:41] <PetefromTn> You got a nice CNC turning center I suppose?
[12:12:41] <PetefromTn> \
[12:13:04] <WalterN> pffflol
[12:13:09] <ssi> haha
[12:14:40] <WalterN> PetefromTn: having been in the business for a number of years now, I'm convinced that the following set of words are a myth: Shiny, New, Clean, Nice
[12:15:15] <PetefromTn> LOL yeah I know... I try to keep my junk clean but it is difficult isn't it....LOL
[12:15:28] <PetefromTn> What sorta lathe are you running there?
[12:15:33] <PetefromTn> Is it retrofit?
[12:15:37] <WalterN> no
[12:15:58] <WalterN> wasino LJ-6 lathe with a C-axes
[12:16:12] <archivist> mine even go rusty during restoration
[12:16:17] <WalterN> and recently got an okuma LB10 lathe
[12:16:41] <WalterN> slowly fixing it up when there is time
[12:16:51] <WalterN> such that it will be usable
[12:17:44] <R2E4> PetefromTn: installed freecad. Its cool.
[12:18:01] <WalterN> and there is a haas VF1 here too
[12:18:02] <ssi> hey pete, did yall ever cut those pulleys for me?
[12:18:12] <PetefromTn> R2E4: Yeah man for being a beta PM modeler it is pretty decent.
[12:18:30] <PetefromTn> WalterN: how do you like the LS6?
[12:18:33] <R2E4> it needs an integrated cam module
[12:18:46] <WalterN> PetefromTn: you mean LJ-6?
[12:19:13] <PetefromTn> ssi Hey man have not heard from you in awhile. I started machining those pullies and got sidetracked with them. Figured you did something else. How are you?
[12:19:23] <PetefromTn> WalterN: Sorry yeah LJ-6.
[12:19:23] <ssi> I'm oke, and yea I did something else
[12:19:27] <ssi> I'm always doing something else :)
[12:19:39] <PetefromTn> do you still need them machined?
[12:19:46] <ssi> I put new bearings in that mill spindle and I couldn't get them to preload correctly, so I got frustrated and wandered off to look at something else shiny
[12:19:52] <ssi> yea eventually, but no rush right now
[12:20:22] <PetefromTn> I actually felt bad about not getting them done for you but been busy with work and other stuff. I could probably do them here now tho..
[12:20:24] <WalterN> PetefromTn: its nice... big beefy lathe with a 3" though hole... dont try to make really small things with it though. Its also basically impossible to find tool holders for the turret
[12:20:43] <ssi> nah don't feel bad, I wouldn't have been abl eto put them to use :)
[12:20:51] <PetefromTn> WalterN: What would you recommend for a smallish slant bed lathe with collet and chuck capacity for a retrofit.
[12:20:54] <ssi> and I'd have been on poking you sooner if I was working on it
[12:21:20] <WalterN> PetefromTn: retrofit... putting on linuxCNC?
[12:21:20] <PetefromTn> ssi: Thats good to hear I have been worrying about it honestly don't want to screw over my friends here LOL
[12:21:38] <PetefromTn> WalterN: yeah like my Cincinatti arrow 500 VMC I am doing.
[12:21:39] <ssi> no worries brother
[12:21:58] <PetefromTn> :)
[12:22:31] <ssi> you get your vmc all humming along?
[12:22:36] <PetefromTn> I owe connor some machining so you are in good company LOL... I am going to be doing a lot more machining here now..
[12:22:42] <WalterN> PetefromTn: donno... something cheap, probably fanuc would be best (more documentation on how to convert a fanuc controller I think) and something with live tooling
[12:23:03] <PetefromTn> ssi: Yeah it is running well and making parts but the toolchanger is still up in the air.
[12:23:05] <WalterN> I have yet to do such a thing
[12:23:08] <WalterN> and probably wont
[12:23:13] <ssi> I still haven't gotten back around to fixing my hardinge :/
[12:23:23] <WalterN> but I probably will end up building my own machine eventually
[12:23:33] <ssi> I have a little engraving machine that I built that I need to get electronics done on soon
[12:23:34] <PetefromTn> WalterN: I honestly do not want a hydraulic machine at all only electronic and pneumatic.
[12:23:43] <ssi> yeah screw hydraulics :P
[12:23:48] <WalterN> why?
[12:23:55] <PetefromTn> ssi: Send that Hardinge up here man I wil make use of it LOL
[12:24:01] <ssi> I was looking at superslants but they're massive heavy machines and too much hydraulics
[12:24:12] <PetefromTn> WalterN: I HATE hydraulics and the mess of it.
[12:24:14] <ssi> lol why don't you come down and help me fix it and you can use it whenever :)
[12:24:15] <R2E4> hey, dont bash hydraulics......lol
[12:24:18] <ssi> I'll buy the beer :D
[12:24:37] <WalterN> cant get bigger machines without hydraulics
[12:25:03] <PetefromTn> ssi: Sounds good man but I want one for my shop here I need a nice CNC lathe Gonna sell my asian 12x36 and scrape up the cash difference to get into a decent rebuild machine.
[12:25:08] <WalterN> the clamping device on the wasino LJ-6 is hydraulic
[12:25:19] <ssi> if you end up with an HNC or CHNC I'll help you retrofit it
[12:25:20] <PetefromTn> WalterN: Yeah I don't honestly have room for anything too big.
[12:25:27] <ssi> well I'll help you with whatever but I have experience with those :)
[12:25:38] <IchGuckLive> ssi jesus from spain did also a hevy headake on the hydraulics system
[12:25:40] <R2E4> I would categorize the Cinci 500 as big
[12:25:46] <ssi> the HNC is a pretty nice machine for cheap
[12:26:31] <PetefromTn> R2E4: Yeah not really man it easily fits inside my small shop and I still have room for a CNC lathe and probably another machine if only I could get work going thru the shop.
[12:26:47] <PetefromTn> ssi: Yeah there is one on the local CList for $2k.
[12:27:02] <ssi> yea?
[12:27:04] <ssi> link me
[12:27:09] <WalterN> PetefromTn: try going to auctions to find such machines
[12:27:21] <PetefromTn> WalterN: I just don't like hydraulics and I hear the parts for it can be expensive.
[12:27:27] <WalterN> PetefromTn: if you can find a cheap omni-turn get one of those
[12:27:44] <PetefromTn> WalterN: Never been to one and honeslty don't like to travel to them.
[12:27:48] <WalterN> its a nice machine, but the controller they make sucks big time
[12:27:51] <PetefromTn> Who makes omni turn.
[12:28:02] <WalterN> omni-tun does
[12:28:06] <PetefromTn> LOL
[12:28:18] <PetefromTn> Is it also hydraulic?
[12:28:25] <WalterN> no
[12:28:28] <PetefromTn> Is the Hardinge Hydraulic?
[12:28:32] <ssi> no
[12:28:38] <ssi> the HNC/CHNC anyway
[12:28:42] <ssi> the AHC and superslant are
[12:28:49] <WalterN> its a small company that makes small CNC machines
[12:29:03] <PetefromTn> I was also looking at some more Cincinatti's They have a falcon lathe that looks nice.
[12:29:05] <ssi> HNC has some pneumatics for collet closer and toolchanger
[12:29:16] <ssi> my toolchanger pneumatics are what's busted currently :/
[12:29:27] <PetefromTn> Do you think you could run a chuck like six inch on a hardinge?
[12:29:39] <WalterN> PetefromTn: http://www.omniturn.com/bin/GT-75.htm
[12:29:39] <ssi> yea a 6" should be fine
[12:29:42] <ssi> I don't think I'd do 8"
[12:29:52] <ssi> I've got some 4" step collets
[12:30:09] <WalterN> PetefromTn: those use a 5C collet thing
[12:30:09] <ssi> I'd like to get a 6" 3jaw and 4jaw for it but I haven't yet
[12:30:12] <PetefromTn> WalterN: That looks almost too small...
[12:30:41] <PetefromTn> 5c is what hardinge uses too I think.
[12:30:43] <ssi> yep
[12:30:46] <ssi> similar travels too
[12:30:49] <ssi> they're chuckers
[12:30:55] <PetefromTn> There seems to be a lot of call for small lathe turned parts out there.
[12:31:13] <ssi> WalterN: got an idea what those omniturn machines sell for?
[12:31:34] <PetefromTn> I am right now cleaning up my Astro Van to take to show a lady who wants to buy it and I am afraid I am making a mistake selling it, I use the crap out of it.
[12:31:58] <PetefromTn> ssi: It says $32k...
[12:32:05] <ssi> so it does
[12:32:09] <ssi> yea that's out of my budget :)
[12:32:28] <PetefromTn> me too LOL.. that is why I need a rebuild machine.
[12:32:49] <PetefromTn> Honestly this Cincinatti is working quite well and I hope to do the same thing with a nice used CNC slant bed.
[12:33:20] <PetefromTn> RobH here has a video on youtube of a Hardinge superslant that kicks ass... I drool everytime I watch it. At least I think it is the same guy.
[12:33:27] <ssi> yeah
[12:33:31] <PetefromTn> Retrofit with LinuxCNC.
[12:33:33] <ssi> you don't want to screw with a superslant :)
[12:34:15] <ssi> well maybe you do...
[12:34:16] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S1NIhwCzB0
[12:34:21] <PetefromTn> why?
[12:34:24] <ssi> but first off, it's an eleven thousand pound machine
[12:34:34] <ssi> I dunno about you, but I don't have the equipment to move it
[12:35:02] <PetefromTn> my Cinci is 7k but 11k is probably too much. I want something smaller probably.
[12:35:16] <ssi> it's hydraulic too :)
[12:35:24] <ssi> other than that, it'd be awesome
[12:35:32] <ssi> big heavy rigid machine
[12:36:07] <PetefromTn> yeah I had no idea it was so heavy tho..
[12:36:20] <ssi> I actually talked to a guy that had one for sale cheap
[12:36:27] <ssi> and he had already scrapped it by the time I talked to him
[12:36:35] <ssi> but he convinced me that it wasn't a good idea :P
[12:36:53] <ssi> so I ended up doing the HNC instead... much more accessible machine
[12:36:59] <ssi> I've just got a 5000lb forklift
[12:37:08] <ssi> that's my big limiting factor for VMCs too
[12:37:11] <ssi> most of them are too heavy
[12:37:45] <PetefromTn> So rent a larger forkilift LOL...
[12:37:48] <ssi> :P
[12:37:55] <R2E4> I paid someone 800.00 to move my 8,000 lbs vmc across town and place it in my shop.
[12:37:58] <ssi> well yea... if I come across something like your cinci I probably will
[12:37:58] <PetefromTn> How's that badass plane man?
[12:38:07] <ssi> haven't worked on it sadly :/
[12:38:40] <PetefromTn> R2E4: You are gonna laugh I paid $150.00 to have a flatbed wrecker move the machine to my house and they placed it almost in my garage where it sits now..
[12:38:53] <ssi> that's how I'm getting the turret punch today
[12:38:57] <ssi> and how I got my manual mill
[12:39:12] <R2E4> They slid a 7,000lbs machine up on a flatbed?
[12:39:22] <PetefromTn> They used a bigger flatbed truck with a shuttle type bed and he was able to just crank it in there easily.
[12:39:44] <PetefromTn> R2E4: Yeah I jacked it up onto some 4x4 skids and they dragged it up using their winch.
[12:40:35] <ssi> scurry
[12:40:36] <R2E4> They wanted to do that with my CNC Bridgeport. I was like, No your not!
[12:40:38] <PetefromTn> Getting it off was a bit trickier but he managed it easily. He used the extra crashed car ram underneath the bed to drag the machine back off to the edge of the bed and then shuttled it down into position.
[12:40:52] <PetefromTn> why?
[12:41:04] <PetefromTn> Those guys told me they moved knee mills all the time...
[12:41:06] <R2E4> The Bridgeports are top heavy
[12:41:09] <ssi> when I got my mill, we loaded it with a lift and unloaded it using the tilt bed
[12:41:17] <ssi> yes they are :P
[12:41:23] <ssi> we had the head flipped over
[12:41:28] <ssi> that helps a fair bit
[12:41:30] <PetefromTn> Gotta put it on skids man.. bolt to the skids.
[12:42:07] <R2E4> I have a rigid head CNC series 1 R2E4. No head tilt.
[12:42:08] <FinboySlick> And I think of the ordeal that was putting my 800 pound mill on its stand...
[12:42:11] <PetefromTn> Hell I moved a 4k lb 16x60 lathe myself using a come a long and a borrowed heavy equipment trailer.
[12:42:15] <ssi> yea
[12:42:36] <ssi> PetefromTn: we put the hardinge on a trailer using a come along and 2x4s
[12:42:41] <ssi> in the snow
[12:42:44] <ssi> uphill both ways
[12:42:47] <PetefromTn> on small diameter black iron pipes no less LOL...
[12:42:55] <R2E4> I cringed when I moved my 800 pound CNC router....hehe
[12:43:22] <ssi> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/420990_804691220892_829481504_n.jpg
[12:43:24] <PetefromTn> Honestly I am used to moving reasonably heavy shit I have always worked with machinery either wood or metal.
[12:44:05] <PetefromTn> Jeez that thing looks pretty small in that picture. My 12x36 is not all that much smaller really without the big covers..
[12:44:16] <ssi> it's not a big machine
[12:44:22] <ssi> 8x10 or so?
[12:44:36] <PetefromTn> Oh really so it has a short bed then...
[12:44:39] <ssi> yes
[12:44:44] <ssi> well the turret takes up a lot of the bed
[12:44:59] <PetefromTn> R2E4: Must be a nice router LOL
[12:45:46] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: I'd like your opinion on something if you have a moment.
[12:45:56] <PetefromTn> SOmetimes I think I must be crazy trying to do this retrofitting and making parts for money but I have done crazy shit all my life really. I just need to make this work somehow.. Just need some good paying work for the machines and we should be god.
[12:46:13] <R2E4> PetefromTn:Yeah, I built it, my entrance into this mess....lol
[12:46:48] <R2E4> My router is paying for this retrofit....lol
[12:49:21] <WalterN> PetefromTn: that is about the same size as the omni-turn GT-75
[12:54:22] <Loetmichel> R2E4: 800 american pounds? thats just shy of 350kg, isnt it?
[12:54:29] <Loetmichel> easy going ;-)
[12:56:14] <PetefromTn> WalterN: What machine the Hardinge?
[12:56:42] <PetefromTn> R2E4: That is what I like to hear man using machines to make money to get more machines LOL... You are my hero man!!
[12:56:53] <PetefromTn> What kinda things do you make with the router?
[12:58:26] <PetefromTn> That Wasino looks like a decent machine.
[12:58:55] <PetefromTn> I was kinda hoping to find a good deal on a machine that would complement the Cincinatti Arrow 500 I have here with similar size and power requirements.
[12:59:21] <PetefromTn> Something like 7.5HP or maybe ten HP motors.
[13:01:00] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLSZy5pwI4 This looks nice tho...hehe
[13:01:23] <toast-work> PetefromTn:
[13:01:38] <PetefromTn> toast-work: yeah?
[13:01:41] <toast-work> look at lathes from Mori Seiki and Ikeagi
[13:01:50] <PetefromTn> yeah I am actually.
[13:02:01] <R2E4> PetefromTn: big contract, 600 urns @95.00 ea, http://irmtl.com/cnct/urns.jpg all kinds of wood stuff we do. https://www.facebook.com/CncTechProduction/photos_stream
[13:02:03] <PetefromTn> I like the SL models and ikegai
[13:06:08] <PetefromTn> R2E4: Damn man you've been BUSY!! LOL Some cool stuff there. I made some of those backlit acrylic things for my kids and gotta redo them actually. that was why I built the engraving spindle setup so I can do engraving again and also to finish their stuff...
[13:07:09] <PetefromTn> https://www.facebook.com/CncTechProduction/photos/pb.165499736909850.-2207520000.1392835544./452862401506914/?type=3&theater AAAHHHH SAY IT AIN'T SO!! LOL
[13:08:20] * cpresser is wondering which of the two people on the photos is actually R2E4
[13:08:45] <PetefromTn> R2E4: My wife wants me to build or buy a CNC router so she can make stuff like that... I have a lot of woodworking experience so it would be fine for me plus I have suppliers here.
[13:08:47] <R2E4> haha..... yup. IT is on the router. Gonna change over to linuxcnc when the VMC is done. When I first built it, I tried linuxcnc and couldnt get gantrykins working. you know the rest
[13:09:15] <PetefromTn> Jeez that sucks... at least it was mach3 blue LOL..
[13:10:12] <PetefromTn> R2E4: Yeah man which one is you?
[13:10:22] <R2E4> The one in the Tennessee orange sweatshirt.
[13:10:31] <R2E4> The old guy
[13:10:53] <cpresser> hehe, where are you from, R2E4?
[13:11:00] <PetefromTn> Are you in Tennessee?
[13:11:05] <cpresser> i guess france
[13:11:30] <PetefromTn> IF so I am sorry man..LOL
[13:11:31] <R2E4> No, I g there alot though. My sistyer is there in Knoxville. I am in Montreal now, but..... I was born and raised in Florida.
[13:12:04] <PetefromTn> R2E4: Hey if you ever come to Knoxvegas let me know we can meet up and have a drink or something and talk shit LOL...
[13:12:16] <cpresser> ah okay. i read some french on the pictures. kanada makes sense :)
[13:12:20] <R2E4> wheres Knoxvegas?
[13:12:29] <PetefromTn> seriously..
[13:12:56] <PetefromTn> That is what I call Knoxville...
[13:13:01] <R2E4> haha
[13:13:17] <R2E4> Thats where my sister is
[13:13:23] <PetefromTn> I am about 20 minutes south of there..
[13:13:30] <R2E4> You go to Bristol sometimes for the Nascar race?
[13:13:57] <PetefromTn> Naah not a Nascar fan but I would go to see the thunder valley nationals...TOP FUEL ROCKS!!
[13:14:17] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: first or second opinion?
[13:14:19] <R2E4> I grew up watching don Garlits at Sunshine speedway.
[13:14:34] <PetefromTn> Used to go to Moroso Motorsports Park in Florida all the time with my friends...
[13:15:02] <PetefromTn> Big Daddy... Man had balls of steel ROFL.
[13:15:33] <R2E4> His daughter had a corvette with a plate that read. " If you can beat me, you can eat me"
[13:15:44] <PetefromTn> Classic..
[13:15:56] <PetefromTn> I bet it hauled ass too probably.
[13:16:12] <R2E4> yeah, she never got beat....hehe
[13:16:34] <R2E4> What was fun was the swamp buggy races in Nales, Fl.
[13:16:51] <PetefromTn> Never got there but have seen them. Some crazy machines.
[13:17:17] <PetefromTn> Been on an airboat ride that was fun...
[13:17:30] <CaptHindsight> it's odd to me what kids today call hotrods
[13:18:35] <PetefromTn> Meh they're all hotrods man.. even some of the imports. If it is modded to hell and hauls ass and looks good doing it I like them all. I'm a bike guy myself. Love the sportybikes.
[13:19:15] <R2E4> yeah, had a Kaw nija 750R back in the day. Got married and had to get rid of it.
[13:20:15] <PetefromTn> I have owned about a dozen different sportbikes but sold my last one when my oldest daughter was born. It was an 1992 Yamaha FZR1000. Damn I loved that bike.
[13:20:17] <R2E4> Brand new was 2800.00 would have bought the 1100 but that was 4300.00 They cost more than 10,000.00 now....hehe
[13:20:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/attachments/street-track/10126d1183017405-step-aside-boss-hoss-hangon.jpg
[13:20:56] <R2E4> I used to have a yamaha YZ 125 in high school. That thing screamed!!!
[13:21:13] <R2E4> CaptHindsight: DAMN!!!!
[13:21:15] <CaptHindsight> I'm not sure how you see over the blower?
[13:21:31] <PetefromTn> http://www.cyclechaos.com/images/8/87/1992-Yamaha-FZR1000-White-9681-0.jpg?title=images/8/87/1992-Yamaha-FZR1000-White-9681-0.jpg This is what my bike looked like.
[13:22:15] <PetefromTn> I actually rode one of those Boss HOss's and honestly it was a piece of shit.
[13:22:53] <CaptHindsight> yeah, a bit heavy
[13:22:56] <PetefromTn> I mean beyond the initial cool factor of a v8 in a bike it was less than ideal in so many ways..
[13:23:22] <PetefromTn> I remember the heat coming off the engine was ridiculous..
[13:23:33] <CaptHindsight> did you see that inline diesel bikes they made on one of those overhauling type shows?
[13:23:34] <PetefromTn> and it could not turn worth a damn.
[13:23:39] <R2E4> That thing would need wheelie bars on the sides....hehe
[13:23:49] <PetefromTn> yeah training wheels.
[13:25:08] <PetefromTn> I once had a friend who had a GORGEOUS rull race Yamaha RD400 that was modded to the hilt and so clean you could eat off of every part of it. He let me ride it at Moroso once and it was the coolest bike I ever rode by far. INSANE powerband and ridiculous speed for such a pocket bike.
[13:25:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dieseltees.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/trike-1.jpg http://www.dieseltees.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/trike-3.jpg
[13:26:04] <R2E4> I had a friend who had an RD350, That thing screamed also. It was illegal here, I forget why.
[13:26:04] <PetefromTn> He raced it and it was fast as shit but he was so scared to drop it he never did that well with it, I don't blame him either. It was beautiful.
[13:26:23] <R2E4> yeah, there bad ass.
[13:26:26] <PetefromTn> 2 stroker..
[13:26:33] <R2E4> yup
[13:26:37] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: First. Nothing like the bitcoin nightmare ;)
[13:26:49] <CaptHindsight> heh, sell sell sell
[13:26:56] <PetefromTn> My big fizzer was by far the nicest bike I ever owned and it hauled ass even with a passenger on it.
[13:27:26] <FinboySlick> This isn't linuxcnc related so I'll PM.
[13:27:31] <CaptHindsight> k
[13:27:40] <PetefromTn> I remember doing power wheelies with my wife going down the freeway back when I was insane dumb kid.
[13:28:42] <R2E4> We use to do crazy stuff, Jumping creeks trails, until my best friend bit it and stuck a handlebar through his knee
[13:29:05] <PetefromTn> Well I better get my ass out here and clean up this van or I will never get it sold. Talk later guys. SSI keep in touch man lemme know about those pullies...
[13:29:16] <R2E4> C-ya
[13:31:15] <PetefromTn> cya..
[13:54:30] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[14:43:57] <MrSunshine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ZFUd6VWTk that gui for linuxcnc looks quite nice, anyone has any experience with it ? =)
[14:45:52] <MarkusBec> MrSunshine: i think it looks realy shitty like SW out of the 80s
[14:48:31] <MrSunshine> MarkusBec, it got loads of functions it seems that axis does not by default =)
[14:50:00] <MarkusBec> yeah thats what shitty SW defines loads of funktion wiht no kontext
[16:15:14] <tjb1> ing
[16:26:12] <Deejay> gn8
[17:29:39] <postaL> tjb1: got the rest of the stuff that i need to run the cnc
[17:29:40] <postaL> ;)
[19:52:16] <Tom_itx> quiet evening
[19:59:02] <kengu> that
[20:15:58] <PetefromTn> Yup.
[20:16:26] <kengu> silent night more likely
[20:17:08] <PetefromTn> I just got my shop cleaned up after cleaning the crap out of my Van most of the day.
[20:17:29] <Tom_itx> find the title?
[20:18:28] <PetefromTn> Nope LOL..
[20:18:56] <PetefromTn> Was gonna head down and get another one but they closed before I got there today.
[20:19:48] <PetefromTn> My damn heater has not been working for crap in the van and in cleaning it up today for a potential sale I found that it was a little low on coolant. Come to find out that the damn radiator cap was spent.
[20:20:27] <PetefromTn> Went down and got some fresh coolant and a brand new radiator cap on it and the truck is running at better temp and the heater blows nice and hot now surprise surprise.
[20:21:07] <Tom_itx> funny how we wait til we're gettin rid of something to fix it
[20:21:12] <PetefromTn> It has never gotten even close to hot tho so I figured it was something else like the vacuum stuff that opens and closes the heater stuff under the dash which I have had issues with before...
[20:21:58] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Yeah man exactly. Honestly I probably would not have bothered to sell it but the lady who was interested said she had five kids and needed it so I tried to get the heater working before I sold it.
[20:22:37] <PetefromTn> Funny thing is my wife's biggest complaint was the heater not working as you might imagine with the cold lately it has been a bone of contention whenever we need to take the van somewhere.
[20:23:17] <PetefromTn> I honestly really love my van it is so damn useful but I was gonna try to sell it for a 4x4 or something.
[20:24:26] <PetefromTn> my kids love it because they get their own bench seat when we go for rides in it. and my oldest daughter told me she does not want me to sell it LOL...
[20:26:57] <PetefromTn> I actually called the lady around noon today to tell her that the heater was not working. She said okay and she needed it of course so I told her to just not wait on me to fix it. Now that it is working well I honestly don't really feel like calling her back.
[20:27:13] <PetefromTn> I know I am a crazy indecisive bastard right LOL....
[20:55:12] <PetefromTn> Jeez this place is dead tonight.
[21:20:43] <zeeshan> lies
[21:23:10] <owhite> what's that?
[21:24:11] <zeeshan> [21:38:32] <PetefromTn> Jeez this place is dead tonight.
[21:24:28] <owhite> I noticed.
[21:47:56] <zeeshan> what was that website
[21:48:06] <zeeshan> with those syncrnous belt pulleys
[21:48:16] <zeeshan> for cheap ;p
[21:48:37] <PetefromTn> Sdp si I think..
[21:48:54] <zeeshan> thats it
[21:49:05] <zeeshan> not sure what belts to use
[21:49:08] <zeeshan> without calculations ;/
[21:50:14] <PetefromTn> I think I used the XL belts on my rf45 it was nice to have something that would break in case of serious screwups...
[21:50:17] <Tom_itx> they're not that cheap but have the calculator
[21:51:12] <zeeshan> what size steppers
[21:51:20] <zeeshan> er
[21:51:24] <zeeshan> how much torque steppers
[21:51:29] <PetefromTn> 1125 oz in. Servos...
[21:51:40] <PetefromTn> Too big really...
[21:51:42] <Tom_itx> pulley ratio?
[21:51:46] <zeeshan> i guess they can handle it. :P
[21:51:49] <zeeshan> 2:1
[21:52:01] <zeeshan> i have the formulas in shigleys, but idont want to spend time calculating
[21:52:06] <zeeshan> when someones already used something that works :P
[21:52:54] <PetefromTn> I think it was 2-1 on x and y and 3-1 on z...
[21:53:26] <Tom_itx> same motors on all 3?
[21:53:35] <PetefromTn> Yeah..
[21:53:50] <Tom_itx> 800 oz would probably be plenty you think?
[21:54:22] <PetefromTn> It actually worked pretty well....would have been a lot better with mesa and linuxcnc instead of Mach sillyness.
[21:54:52] <Tom_itx> i'd love to step up to something like that some day
[21:55:00] <PetefromTn> Yup. Only reason I got those is because I got a great deal on em from someone as a package...
[21:55:01] <Tom_itx> anything would beat the sherline
[21:55:29] <Tom_itx> no room for a 'real' cnc
[21:55:32] <Tom_itx> vmc
[21:55:42] <PetefromTn> Rf45 is a decent machine all things considered. I would not mind having another one.
[21:55:56] <Tom_itx> any come cnc ready?
[21:56:27] <Tom_itx> what collet size are they?
[21:56:31] <PetefromTn> Yeah you can get the IH now from oak somebody as a turnkey CNC I guess.
[21:56:33] <Tom_itx> r8?
[21:56:44] <PetefromTn> Yeah unfortunately.
[21:57:15] <PetefromTn> Would be nice of they made a mill a little larger than an IH in a 30 taper...
[21:57:30] <zeeshan> ih has option for iso30 spindle
[21:57:38] <zeeshan> heh
[21:57:40] <zeeshan> e
[21:57:52] <PetefromTn> Yeah I know..
[21:58:59] <PetefromTn> Something like a beefier IH machine with a belt driven spindle via timing belt in an ISO or bt30.
[22:00:03] <PetefromTn> Beef up the column with some bee shaped ribbing out back and increase the width of the apron and you would have a perfect small shop retrofit project machine.
[22:00:26] <PetefromTn> Vee ...stupid spell check
[22:05:38] <PetefromTn> Ran my 12x36 today a bit. All the time I was thinking about how nice it would be to have that CHNC or something similar.
[22:06:58] <Tom_itx> enco makes that?
[22:09:00] <PetefromTn> No but they really are all basically the same had a neighbor who had a grizzly and his was almost identical.
[22:10:21] <PetefromTn> What kinda things do you make on your sherline?
[22:10:35] <Tom_itx> just odds n ends
[22:10:56] <Tom_itx> biggest thing was the sacrificial plate for it
[22:11:07] <Tom_itx> 1" aluminum with a 1" grid
[22:11:39] <PetefromTn> 1" aluminum damn that is pretty thick for a sherline..
[22:12:04] <Tom_itx> just trued up the edged and cut the top flat
[22:12:18] <Tom_itx> but it took the full envelope of the machine to do it
[22:14:10] <PetefromTn> What is the envelope?
[22:14:12] <Tom_itx> last one was 5/8 and i pretty well used it up
[22:15:18] <Tom_itx> 8.4 x 7 are the soft limits
[22:16:07] <PetefromTn> That's not too bad considering the overall size I saw one once in a pawn shop.
[22:16:19] <Tom_itx> the plate is 6 x 10 :)
[22:18:26] <PetefromTn> Guy had the mill and lathe screwed down to a small piece of furniture plywood. Said he made custom RC car wheels with them basically took stock solid wheels and made mags out of them with cool holes and slots.
[22:18:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn:
[22:18:31] <Tom_itx> i used to do robotics and made parts for them
[22:18:44] <zeeshan> i found an XL pulley..
[22:18:51] <zeeshan> it has 32 grooves
[22:19:02] <zeeshan> snce i want 2:1 ratio, i need a 64 groove pulley
[22:19:10] <zeeshan> did you notice that sds-pi doesn't have certain sizes?
[22:19:15] <zeeshan> like they only have a 60 groove pulley not 64
[22:19:15] <PetefromTn> Or a 16...
[22:19:22] <zeeshan> cant get a 16
[22:19:24] <zeeshan> too small bore
[22:19:37] <zeeshan> was your drive ratio exactly 2:1
[22:19:40] <zeeshan> or 1.94239491292239:!
[22:19:43] <Tom_itx> it's kinda hard to find what you need sometimes
[22:20:04] <PetefromTn> Yeah you gotta play with the numbers to get what you want there I had similar issues...
[22:20:04] <Tom_itx> zeeshan probably doesn't matter as long as you tell the ini what you got
[22:20:11] <zeeshan> yea
[22:20:15] <zeeshan> so correct me if im wrong
[22:20:36] <zeeshan> 200 steps per .2 inch lead
[22:20:42] <PetefromTn> Okay you're wrong ;)
[22:20:47] <zeeshan> er
[22:20:49] <zeeshan> .2/200
[22:20:58] <zeeshan> 0.001" resolution
[22:21:16] <zeeshan> so by using a 2:1 ratio roughly, ill get 0.0005" resolution
[22:21:25] <Tom_itx> .2 turns per inch?
[22:21:30] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes
[22:21:34] <Tom_itx> holy crap
[22:21:47] <zeeshan> doesn't feel like putting belts is worth it
[22:21:52] <PetefromTn> Yeah I had similar ballscrew ratio on my rf45...
[22:21:58] <zeeshan> just to drop the resolution from 0.001 to 0.0005"
[22:22:03] <zeeshan> can't i just half step it?
[22:22:06] <zeeshan> and do the same.
[22:22:07] <Tom_itx> that's pretty coarse it seems
[22:22:17] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: its a standard ball screw size
[22:22:21] <zeeshan> anything below that is custom
[22:22:24] <zeeshan> and $$$$$
[22:22:30] <Tom_itx> how much travel for a full turn?
[22:22:37] <zeeshan> .2"
[22:22:40] <zeeshan> single thread
[22:22:45] <Tom_itx> oh i misread that then
[22:23:00] <Tom_itx> you said .2 turns per inch
[22:23:08] <Tom_itx> you meant .2" per turn
[22:23:12] <zeeshan> whoops
[22:23:13] <zeeshan> haha
[22:24:02] <Tom_itx> i could deal with that
[22:24:08] <PetefromTn> You really want to take into account the Max rpm of your motors too.
[22:24:20] <Tom_itx> my sherline is 20 tpi
[22:24:28] <zeeshan> i think it will be more economical to half step
[22:24:32] <zeeshan> then use pulleys and deal with that bullshit
[22:24:33] <PetefromTn> Acme..
[22:24:44] <zeeshan> what do you guys think?
[22:25:04] <Tom_itx> which ends up at 40000 steps per inch
[22:25:18] <Tom_itx> and i can get 80 ipm from it
[22:25:38] <Tom_itx> which isn't great but for that screw i think it is
[22:25:39] <PetefromTn> I like pullies and belts it adds some adjustability as well as a fusible link if something goes wrong. Ask me how I know LOL...
[22:25:57] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: lol
[22:26:14] <Tom_itx> i've tossed material thru the back wall of a vmc before
[22:26:20] <PetefromTn> 80 ipm over 8 inches travel is hauling ass....
[22:26:24] <zeeshan> what did you do, crash the the machine?
[22:26:41] <Tom_itx> the boss (my friend) came up to talk to me about something
[22:26:54] <Tom_itx> and i forgot to tighten the vise
[22:27:11] <Tom_itx> had a bundle of test samples ready to square up
[22:27:19] <PetefromTn> Ooh ouchie
[22:27:30] <Tom_itx> flat plate for stress test
[22:27:40] <Tom_itx> we used to do alot of those
[22:27:46] <Tom_itx> and round pull samples
[22:28:53] <Tom_itx> the shell mill kinda moved things around a bit for me :D
[22:29:04] <Tom_itx> good i was cutting the right direction
[22:29:12] <Tom_itx> or it would have come thru the door
[22:29:39] <PetefromTn> Reminds me of when I worked in a large woodworking shop, they had a huge six head Moulding machine.
[22:30:03] <PetefromTn> They hired a new Guy to setup and run the machine.
[22:30:28] <zeeshan> guys please tell me
[22:30:32] <zeeshan> 1/4 stepping 1/8 stepping etc
[22:30:33] <PetefromTn> Boss came over to chat with him and he was setting up some new knife profiles in the main head.
[22:30:41] <zeeshan> increases the steps per 360 reliably right?
[22:30:57] <zeeshan> cause i think i am going to just direct drive it
[22:31:00] <zeeshan> i can suffer a torque loss
[22:31:04] <Tom_itx> geckos are 10 microstep by default
[22:31:11] <PetefromTn> Boss distracted him and he forgot to tighten the clamp blocks on each knife.
[22:31:17] <zeeshan> intersting
[22:31:49] <PetefromTn> Then turned on the machine, we heard it spool up and the some vibration and then all hell broke loose...
[22:32:00] <zeeshan> thats when you run away
[22:32:07] <zeeshan> and pretend nothing happened
[22:32:09] <Tom_itx> too late to run
[22:32:46] <PetefromTn> Yeah luckily those machines have huge steel guards around the cutterheads.
[22:33:05] <PetefromTn> They had to replace two of them. Machine was fine..
[22:33:30] <PetefromTn> Knives looked pretty mangled and the aluminum cutterhead was thrashed...
[22:33:37] <Tom_itx> the new IH with the 12'5" slide looks kind nice
[22:34:10] <Tom_itx> pretty slow spindle
[22:34:12] <PetefromTn> My RF45 had the 12.5" z slide....it was kind of a hybrid.
[22:34:31] <Tom_itx> is that the width of the Y axis slide?
[22:34:52] <PetefromTn> Height as I recall...
[22:35:03] <Tom_itx> Z travel?
[22:35:18] <PetefromTn> Oops sorry I was referring to the z slide.
[22:35:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.ihcnc.com/pages/comparison.php
[22:35:51] <PetefromTn> Mine was like 20 something ...
[22:36:12] <Tom_itx> what is NT30?
[22:36:16] <Tom_itx> is that good?
[22:36:30] <Tom_itx> like regular collets with a retention knob?
[22:36:39] <PetefromTn> Its a 30 taper cat style with threaded drawbar.
[22:36:39] <Tom_itx> that would be awesome
[22:37:05] <Tom_itx> what's the actual collet size?
[22:37:09] <Tom_itx> or is that it?
[22:37:21] <Tom_itx> not holders like a 'real' mill?
[22:37:32] <PetefromTn> Dunno if it takes pullstuds buy have not looked at the new ones too much yet.
[22:38:04] <PetefromTn> No it's a toolholder like a real mill...
[22:38:27] <Tom_itx> just with a pull stud instead of retention knobs...
[22:38:41] <Tom_itx> wonder how hard that would be to convert
[22:39:51] <PetefromTn> Dunno maybe you could adapt a retention stud puller somehow. It has been done before on r8.
[22:40:52] <PetefromTn> Doing my RF45 was quite a bit of work but it was worth it. Probably would not do it again unless I got a smoking deal on one...
[22:41:52] <Tom_itx> well if i ever win the lottery, i'll build a shop and get a real vmc
[22:42:42] <PetefromTn> If you Really are not in it to make money an rf45 is a great little mill...
[22:43:23] <PetefromTn> I enjoyed mine for over eleven years before I retrofit it.
[22:43:40] <Tom_itx> i've probably had the sherline at least that long
[22:43:46] <Tom_itx> along with my old lathe
[22:44:08] <Tom_itx> only recently updated the steppers and drivers on it and went to lcnc
[22:45:29] <PetefromTn> If I found one used in decent shape for cheap I would grab it just to have another manual mill here it was that good...I made all sorts of shit on that machine over the years.
[22:46:14] <Tom_itx> i've done quite a bit on a bridgport and his lathe.. i forget what kind it is
[22:46:17] <Tom_itx> both manual
[22:47:26] <Tom_itx> that about does it for this day...
[22:47:40] <PetefromTn> Yeah me too...
[22:47:49] <PetefromTn> Gn8 man..