#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-02-01

[00:00:29] <PetefromTn> You want to spiral down into the hole?
[00:01:27] <ReadError> spiral to the contour yet
[00:01:27] <PetefromTn> It has spiral lead in and out as well as tangent lead in and out.
[00:01:45] <ReadError> instead of cutting a circle square, moving the z up
[00:01:50] <ReadError> then going to the next pass
[00:02:59] <PetefromTn> You can spiral down to depth and then do an internal profil with cut width would do that pretty easy.
[00:03:00] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/TH4hTSv.png
[00:05:08] <PetefromTn> An internal profile with cut width like I am saying works almost the same way just makes circles and steps over as it moves outward after each pass without coming out of the hole.
[00:05:29] <PetefromTn> Also there is a spiral and helical toolpath plugin I have not played with yet.
[00:06:35] <ReadError> oh? do you have a link to it handy
[00:09:10] <PetefromTn> here is a thread discussing this...
[00:09:15] <PetefromTn> http://www.cambam.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3737.0
[00:11:40] <PetefromTn> http://www.cambam.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2570.0
[00:11:55] <PetefromTn> That's the threadmilling link.
[00:45:08] <RyanS> cool http://3dtopo.com/lostPLA/
[02:33:35] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:40:54] <eric_unterhausen> technically
[02:41:45] <Deejay> moin
[05:26:57] <jthornton> morning
[08:02:36] <Tom_itx> layer of sleet here
[08:16:42] <archivist> we had a bukket of storm warnings...but 3 small drips so far
[08:19:25] <archivist> and the beeb too lazy to update the forecast on the warning page
[08:19:49] <archivist> I was going to weld the car today
[08:44:44] <tjb1> Does thrrwfls frequent this channel?
[08:49:53] <awallin> the bots might know, if you know how to ask..
[08:51:17] <awallin> the_wench: seen awallin
[08:51:28] <awallin> something like that? :)
[08:53:41] <archivist> !seen nick
[08:53:41] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-05-07 17:19:52GMT 838:59:59 ago, saying joined chan
[09:01:16] <CaptHindsight> huh, several inches so far today then back to -20
[09:02:02] <CaptHindsight> not sure what I'm tired of more yet, the cold or the snow
[09:02:53] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[09:03:16] <Loetmichel> its 7,0°c outside here. and no snow in sight anytime soon ;-)
[09:03:21] <Loetmichel> <- germany ;-)
[09:04:01] <CaptHindsight> is there a great ball of fire in the sky or is it overcast?
[09:04:21] <Loetmichel> overcast
[09:04:58] <CaptHindsight> I think I last saw sun 3 weeks ago
[09:09:07] <PetefromTn> sun? Whats a sun? hehe
[09:10:20] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: the big yellow ball in the blue ceiling outside sometimes... i was told its called "sun"... havent seen it lately, though ;-)
[09:10:31] <PetefromTn> LOL
[09:10:55] <PetefromTn> Wish I could paint the ceiling a permanent blue sometimes.
[09:12:01] <Loetmichel> if you want to: do!
[09:18:23] <PetefromTn> Lemme get my ladder out man hang on a sec....LOL
[09:43:41] <Loetmichel> *cough* ... *eyes watering* ... the food delivery service MEANT "hot" when they wrote it in the jalapeno-burger-descrpition... *lips burning* ... *sniff* ;-)
[09:46:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Since when does jalapeno_anything mean cool and soothing?
[09:47:18] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: there is "hot" and "HOT" if you know what i mean ;-)
[09:47:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: No, hot it hot, not mild or medium.
[09:47:54] <Jymmm> is*
[09:48:44] <PetefromTn> meh Jalapeno is not hot man..
[09:48:53] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: normally if something is labelled "hot" over here its is just "nice and zesty" for me... this burger was definetly NOT in that "usual" range ;-)
[09:49:21] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That would be mild or medium
[09:49:32] <Loetmichel> not in germany
[09:50:05] <Loetmichel> there are about a handful of food shops in whole germany whre you can get food that is not in the "mainstream" range.
[09:50:28] <Loetmichel> and the shop i ordered from isnt one of them... (i thought) ;-)
[09:51:24] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Dude HOT IS HOT, just becasue 99% of the people dont know the definition of that is your own damn fault =)
[09:51:59] <Loetmichel> yeah, i know that now
[09:52:22] <Loetmichel> i just assumed that "hot" means the same on nearly all german delivery services.
[09:52:29] <Loetmichel> it seems i was wrong ;-)
[09:52:33] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: (Sorry, just going thru a LOT of statutes right now)
[09:54:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: ...and a bit disgruntled at the "letter of" most laws.
[09:56:25] <Jymmm> and HIPAA is the biggest swiss cheese of em all!
[09:57:23] <CaptHindsight> "you wouldn't download a car would you?" http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/01/31/honda-releases-concept-cars-3dp-cc-license/
[10:00:59] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i totally would if i could ;-)
[10:03:22] <archivist> dont drive you glue car out in the sun it will melt
[10:09:19] <Jymmm> or sub freezing temps.... Crash-and-shatter!
[10:09:48] <mozmck> Jymmm: isn't HIPAA that law that allows everyone except yourself access to your medical records?
[10:10:55] <Jymmm> mozmck: No,, it specifically states that you can and must be given access to your records. The swiss cheese parts is that the Privacy aspect of it, well, THERE IS NONE!
[10:11:29] <mozmck> yeah, I was being a little facetious - referring to the so called "privacy"
[10:12:04] <Jymmm> mozmck: If an entity is in violation of HIPAA regs, you can file a complaint. Well, once you file a complaint, your medical records are now available to the pulic at large via FOIA
[10:12:14] <mozmck> haha!
[10:12:27] <Jymmm> mozmck: Oh, I'm dead serious...
[10:12:53] <mozmck> From what I've been told "any" insurance company can look at your records too - not just your own insurance.
[10:13:31] <mozmck> Oh, I believe you. I'm not surprised by *anything* devious the gov does anymore.
[10:13:36] <Jymmm> mozmck: I haven't gone down that road,
[10:14:46] <mozmck> Pass a law called "privacy - something" that strips all privacy.
[10:14:53] <Jymmm> mozmck: This is from the top of the compaint form:
[10:14:57] <Jymmm> OCR may disclose information, including medical records and other personal information, which it has gathered during the course of its investigation in order to comply with a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and may refer your complaint to another appropriate agency.
[10:16:23] <Jymmm> mozmck: BUT... you dont have to go thru OCR, you can file a civil compaint
[10:17:33] <mozmck> I get disgruntled about any time I read any of the modern laws. Take a look at the "rules of evidence" to see how a judge can withhold relevant evidence to a case "if it will do more harm than good".
[10:17:55] <Jymmm> no comment
[10:17:56] <mozmck> (That's in TX but probably similar everywhere)
[10:18:21] <Jymmm> I actually hate the judicial system and what it represents
[10:18:55] <mozmck> I don't hate it, but it is seriously corrupted.
[10:19:32] <Jymmm> Innocent till proven guilty... so why is s/he incacerated right now?
[10:19:49] <Jymmm> and if they are guilty what is the punishment?
[10:20:06] <Jymmm> incarceration!
[10:20:23] <Jymmm> (just say'in)
[10:21:24] <PetefromTn> Damn man I just went to charge up my PCP air pistol and my darn 4500PSI tank is out of air....Musta not cranked down the knob when I closed the valve the last time I used it. Now I gotta head into town to get it charged up ....Jeez and I was all ready to do some plinkin'...
[12:03:00] <zeeshan|2> andypugh, eric_unterhausen -- it says right in the VFD manual that is a motor is running at full load and power is immediately shut down to the vfd, there is a chance the VFD can be damaged
[12:07:16] <archivist> an orderly stop can be a lot safer than power removal
[12:12:47] <pcw_home> on the other hand a VFD that wont survive a power failure is pretty poor
[12:15:13] <archivist> its a fight between the vfd hold up v the amount of stored energy in the motor I can imagine the vfd going brain dead and a flywheel still turning the motor
[12:16:09] <skunkworks> on the k&t the estop drops the vfd power...
[12:16:32] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[12:16:47] <skunkworks> btw the spindle works on the matsuura when I start it...
[12:16:56] <Loetmichel> i had (servo)vfd that could put the power back in the grid
[12:17:02] <Loetmichel> when braking
[12:19:09] <archivist> have to keep the vfd live to dump that energy into the resistors or the mains
[12:20:16] <archivist> but a good design should be able to protect itself when unpowered
[12:21:36] <skunkworks> this vfd has resistors for braking
[12:24:43] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:27:49] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: i wouldnt want to find out
[12:27:57] <zeeshan|2> these 2 vfds cost 1200 total
[12:28:03] <zeeshan|2> :P
[12:28:06] <archivist> I have seen them when braking fault if they see excess voltage and just disconnect the braking and spin down with the fault led on waiting for a power cycle
[12:29:17] <zeeshan|2> most vfd manuals say to not shutdown power to the vfd directly
[12:29:27] <zeeshan|2> since this lessens the life of the vfd
[12:30:07] <zeeshan|2> thats why disconnect switches for vfd always have aux contacts
[12:30:12] <zeeshan|2> http://ecatalog.hubbell-wiring.com/press/pdfs/WLFS002.pdf
[12:32:00] <pcw_home> not related (thats disconnecting the motor from the VFD, a very different situation)
[12:33:17] <Einar_> A VFD usually will not loose power until the motor is almost at standstill if it gets a stop cmd before or when the power goes. It will regenerate to the DC link from braking the motor.
[12:33:46] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: you're right
[12:33:51] <zeeshan|2> i've been writing that wrong
[12:33:52] <Einar_> One of the exceptions is if the logic inside it is driven from a separate (internal) PSU.
[12:33:59] <zeeshan|2> its when you're disconnecting t1 t2 t3 not l1 l2 l3
[12:34:00] <zeeshan|2> my bad!
[12:34:28] <zeeshan|2> A disconnect can be used between the drive and the motor. This is general practice to assure that power does not reach the motor during maintenance and other non-operating times. Note that the disconnect should not be opened or closed while the motor is running. This will damage the output IGBT components of the drive and such damage is not covered under warranty. Recommend adding a fast acting a
[12:34:30] <Einar_> Yes, never break connection between motor and VFD when VFD is under power!
[12:34:40] <zeeshan|2> yep!
[12:34:42] <zeeshan|2> sorry my bad
[12:34:58] <zeeshan|2> i don't have a disconnect between motor and vfd
[12:35:05] <zeeshan|2> i have it between line side of vfd
[12:35:19] <zeeshan|2> which when activated, sets enable to low on the vfd
[12:35:25] <zeeshan|2> and puts the vfd in error mode
[12:36:50] <Einar_> That will be OK unless the manual says otherwise. It may be smart to activate the RUN signal through a relay. If line power goes down, this relay will drop and activate a VFD Stop.
[12:45:32] <skunkworks> pcw_home: the old atom runs the read in less than 222us. It is running a 2khz thread no issues so far. (and halscope scrolling full screen in the back ground)
[12:46:28] <skunkworks> the amd system threw a realtime delay some time at the end of the day. So the 2 older intel systems seem to work better so far.
[12:55:13] <Tom_itx> skunkworks these are ethernet interface boards?
[12:56:11] <pcw_home> Though even the AMD boards should be OK for 1KHz
[12:57:04] <skunkworks> pcw_home: probably
[12:57:11] <skunkworks> didn't get that far
[12:57:17] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: yes
[12:57:57] <Tom_itx> so your PC isn't mounted in the cnc control box?
[12:58:21] <skunkworks> http://youtu.be/dpxS1t874DY
[12:59:35] <Tom_itx> awesome pc case you got there
[13:00:03] <skunkworks> isn't it?
[13:01:42] <Tom_itx> not using the MB ethernet?
[13:03:23] <skunkworks> xxboth
[13:03:25] <skunkworks> both
[13:03:45] <skunkworks> one communicates with the 7i80 - the other is hooked to the internet
[13:04:11] <Tom_itx> is the 7i80 a hardwired address?
[13:04:18] <Tom_itx> static)
[13:04:45] <pcw_home> yes
[13:05:30] <pcw_home> well it has a ROM IP address, an EEPROM IP address and can use bootp
[13:05:56] <pcw_home> (jumper options)
[13:06:21] <Connor> What board is that ?
[13:06:26] <Connor> I/O board
[13:06:35] <skunkworks> mesa 7i80
[13:07:20] <Connor> Cool, so, we moving to use Ethernet now ?
[13:07:41] <pcw_home> well slowly...
[13:07:43] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HdikHRXnAs
[13:08:14] <skunkworks> there are still a few things that have to happen for this to be mainstream.. but getting there
[13:08:30] <Connor> Isn't that a bit dangerous on carpet ? Statci and al ?
[13:08:32] <Connor> static
[13:09:54] <Jymmm> Connor: skunkworks is just a rebel is all, has silk flags flying around the room too!
[13:10:11] <skunkworks> that was andypugh
[13:10:30] <Connor> Ha. Off to lunch.. back a bit later.. :)
[13:37:42] <MarkusBec> its antistatci carpet ;)
[13:50:55] <IchGuckLive> MarkusBec: german
[13:51:12] <IchGuckLive> sounds so your name
[13:51:30] <MarkusBec> huhu
[13:51:44] <IchGuckLive> ich sitze in Kaiserslautern
[13:52:01] <IchGuckLive> und mach jetzt schluss !!
[13:52:02] <Jymmm> MarkusBec: only till the treatment wears off
[13:52:17] <MarkusBec> IchGuckLive: ich bei frankfurt
[13:52:25] <IchGuckLive> Bis morgen BYE to all have a niche milling day i killed today 4 laser diodes
[13:52:42] <IchGuckLive> MarkusBec: Loetmichel ist bei dir um die ecke
[13:52:49] <MarkusBec> ich weis
[13:52:58] <PetefromTn> anyone good with home audio video stuff?
[13:55:29] <Deejay> hrhr
[13:55:40] <Deejay> hi pete from tennessee
[13:58:20] <PetefromTn> hi deejay know anything about home AV?
[13:58:25] <Deejay> nope
[13:58:37] <Deejay> no idea about that kind of stuff
[13:58:41] <PetefromTn> Okay
[14:00:38] <PetefromTn> Just got a new Blu ray player and it has HDMI output but no audio out so I cannot connect it to my Surround sound system without some kinda adapter. Kinda thinking about taking it back now.
[14:01:20] <PetefromTn> My flatscreen had audio out but it is digital audio out...
[14:01:52] <PetefromTn> Don't feel like buying a new surround system mine is excellent...
[14:02:46] * Deejay does not have one single device with hdmi ;)
[14:03:27] <PetefromTn> LOL
[14:22:59] <Loetmichel> Deejay: $me has lots of devices
[14:23:04] <Loetmichel> all tablets for example ;-)
[14:23:15] <Loetmichel> and all TVs have inputs;-)
[14:23:22] <Deejay> don't have a tablet :(
[14:23:29] <Deejay> don't have a tv
[14:23:39] <Loetmichel> and each modern PC gpu has hdmi or mini-hdmi out
[14:23:43] <Loetmichel> or displayport
[14:23:52] <Deejay> twice dvi :)
[14:24:01] <Loetmichel> MODERN
[14:24:04] <Deejay> yes, its an older model ;)
[14:24:50] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: hdmi has audio builtin
[14:25:06] <Deejay> but how to get it out? ;)
[14:25:09] <Loetmichel> feed the hdmi to your flatscreen and get the digital audio out there
[14:25:25] <Loetmichel> the tft TV have a audio out usually
[14:25:40] <Loetmichel> that also decodes the audio stream of the HDMI
[14:26:04] <PetefromTn> Yes of course but you cannot get it out into your surround sound if it does not have HDMI or digital audio in..
[14:26:55] <Loetmichel> the TV has to have hdmi input anyways to look at the BDs ;-)
[14:32:00] <PetefromTn> Yeah it does have HDMI input that is how we use the blu ray. But it does not have audio out and honestly I would rather not use it even if it did because I like to stream pandora on the wifi enabled blu ray player into the stereo and not have to have the TV on while doing it unless I want to switch channels or whatever.
[14:33:01] <PetefromTn> Saves the TV screen from getting burned with the pandora screen siince it is often on while I do my Cad drawing.
[14:33:09] <Loetmichel> so you have to buy a tc with audio out or a stereo with hdmi in
[14:33:16] <Loetmichel> tv
[14:44:18] <PetefromTn> Or we could do like my wife says and just take it back and exchange it for one that has the outputs we need. She just left LOL.. Thanks for the help guys I have been trying to figure out what is the best move here.
[14:51:22] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Or use a MODERN Home Theater system =)
[14:51:35] <PetefromTn> Modern is overrated...
[14:52:01] <Jymmm> oh wait, that was Loetmichel that was taling MODERN smack
[14:52:52] <Jymmm> But that is how audio is extracted
[14:52:56] <Jymmm> typically
[14:53:26] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Consider a WD TV Live for pandora
[14:53:41] <PetefromTn> The Blu ray we had was an LG model we got as a gift and it was a POS> took it back under warranty.
[14:54:33] <Jymmm> TVLive is still pretty cool... pandora, netflix, audio network shares, ISO, AVI, etc
[14:54:48] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: the problem is that the hdmi signal is encrypted
[14:54:53] <PetefromTn> The Blu ray we had was wifi enabled and streamed pandora or whatever.
[14:54:54] <Loetmichel> "hdcp"
[14:55:02] <PetefromTn> Yeah I know.
[14:55:18] <Loetmichel> so there is no "easy" or "omen source" way to get the audio data out of the stream
[14:55:31] <PetefromTn> We had one of those small ROKU boxes for it but the Blu ray is nicer and is ..
[14:55:46] <PetefromTn> Oh you can buy adapter boxes for half the cost of the player or so..
[14:56:35] <PetefromTn> Woohoo... Just got a paypal that is earmarked for some brand new toolholders... Gonna order them here in a minute...
[14:57:19] <Jymmm> Here ya go, the master ctypto key... 6692d179032205 b4116a96425a7f ecc2ef51af1740 959d3b6d07bce4 fa9f2af29814d9 82592e77a204a8 146a6970e3c4a1 f43a81dc36eff7 568b44f60c79f5 bb606d7fe87dd6 1b91b9b73c68f9 f31c6aeef81de6 9a9cc14469a037 a480bc978970a6 997f729d0a1a39 b3b9accda43860
[14:57:51] <Deejay> hrhr
[14:58:11] <Jymmm> Deejay: (not a joke)
[14:58:22] <Deejay> yes, i know
[14:58:45] <Deejay> read something about that a long time ago
[15:03:46] <MarkusBec> you can buy HW from china to remove hdcp for unter 100 dollas
[15:04:55] <Connor> I run HDMI into my TV and the Optical out to sound system. I have 2 HDMI devices, Works fine.
[15:08:14] <zeeshan|2> question about safety charge pump board. so basically emc sends a 12.5khz signal through one of the parallel port output pins
[15:08:32] <zeeshan|2> as long as the charge pump is getting the 12.5khz signal, it doesnt activate the relay
[15:08:54] <zeeshan|2> but asap it loses the 12.5khz signal, it will activate the relay which is like "pushing" the e-stop button
[15:08:59] <zeeshan|2> and that disables the system right?
[15:09:46] <Connor> That's the theory yes. Not sure about the HZ of the signal.. I think the 12.5khz comes from Mach3 ..
[15:09:58] <zeeshan|2> this board says it needs 12.5khz signal
[15:10:02] <zeeshan|2> http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/C4R6WG.pdf
[15:10:45] <Connor> C4 one? yes. That works with Linuxcnc.. I have that very one.
[15:11:05] <zeeshan|2> help me wire it :P
[15:11:07] <zeeshan|2> virtually
[15:11:38] <PetefromTn> Did you use an adapter to convert the digital audio out to RCA?
[15:11:43] <Connor> depends on how your setup is.. I have mine in Series with E-Stop.
[15:12:00] <zeeshan|2> connor, my e-stop sends a signal to the VFD to put it in fault
[15:12:11] <Connor> PetefromTn: No, My TV outputs optical, Sound system takes optical in.
[15:12:16] <zeeshan|2> from there, i use the outputs from the vfd to make an e-stop circuit
[15:12:17] <zeeshan|2> :)
[15:12:19] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Sure, just connect al the black, red, white, and green wires together and flip the switch.
[15:12:25] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: lol
[15:12:42] <zeeshan|2> ive done all the easy wiring so far
[15:12:48] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/chargepump_zps5b254a90.png
[15:12:55] <Connor> zeeshan|2: Sends a signal? E-Stop should ALWAYS be a fail safe. I.E. Circuit must be COMPLETE to function.
[15:13:00] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/CONTROLLER3_zps8c3f66c1.png
[15:13:46] <zeeshan|2> connor i understand that
[15:13:55] <zeeshan|2> on my vfd there are 2 outputs NC and NO
[15:14:41] <zeeshan|2> so im wiring it through the NC relay in the vfd..
[15:15:00] <Connor> I would use the NC.. in series with your E-Stop, charge pump.
[15:15:01] <zeeshan|2> hm, maybe i need a 2 pole e-stop switch :(
[15:15:26] * Jymmm mumbles something about a SAFETY RELAY
[15:16:30] <Connor> Trying to remember how I have mine.. I have a 2nd relay in the mix that toggles control signal to the SCR for the Spindle.. and I somehow have the C10 wired up too so that it disables the stepper drivers.
[15:16:40] <zeeshan|2> the way i current have my e-stop is like this. my vfd's pin DI6 outputs a 12V signal. from that pin i have it going to the e-stop button. and the other pin coming out of the e-stop button is going to the COM port of the VFD
[15:17:14] <Connor> and yes.. a safety relay would be nice..
[15:17:18] <Connor> into the COM port ?
[15:18:11] <Connor> I also have a push-to-start.. so after E-stop is tripped, I have to push the button, and toggle LinuxCNC power on.
[15:18:32] <PetefromTn> Oh well apparently my wife went all the way to Knoxville only to find out that they no longer carry models with audio out. So I am gonna have to buy an adapter on fleabay...sucks,,
[15:18:54] <Connor> What does you TV output ?
[15:19:00] <zeeshan|2> TV?
[15:19:08] <Connor> talking to PetefromTn now.. :)
[15:19:08] <PetefromTn> Digital audio...
[15:19:10] <zeeshan|2> :P
[15:19:27] <Connor> So, Single wire Digial Out? What does your sounds sytem take in ?
[15:19:29] <PetefromTn> sorry for the OT fellas..
[15:19:47] <PetefromTn> The Denon takes old style RCA..
[15:20:04] <Connor> No optic, not PCM digital in ?
[15:20:13] <PetefromTn> They make an adapter for it for like ten bucks but we can't use the surround until we get one here.
[15:21:09] <Connor> Mine even takes HDMI in, but, I don't use it cause it caused issues, just ran inputs through TV and let it act as the switch and then feed the sound system.
[15:21:26] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/instruct_zpsc6216756.png
[15:21:27] <Connor> My TV has All 3 types of audio output
[15:21:36] <zeeshan|2> i've wired it like 02 here..
[15:21:42] <zeeshan|2> "External fault" is my e-stop
[15:21:50] <PetefromTn> Mine takes damn near everything in but only had Digital audio out.. little black square thing.
[15:21:59] <zeeshan|2> the problem is i don't think i can wire that in series with the charge pump
[15:22:13] <MrSunshine> dammit, does the work on a homemade cnc machine ever end?
[15:22:21] <zeeshan|2> MrSunshine: no
[15:22:37] <MrSunshine> had to tear down the Z axis and do some milling on it .. again! ... and add set screws for easier tramming ... :/
[15:22:38] <Connor> yes, you can.. you wire the NO side of the relay on the charge pump in series.
[15:23:49] <Connor> So, unless the Charge Pump is active.. (closing the relay) then the Fault is open.
[15:24:18] <zeeshan|2> yes
[15:24:27] <PetefromTn> MrSunshine: Damn that sucks..been there. When I built my RF45 CNC I wound up tearing it apart three different times because of backlash issues. Finally OVERBUILT the crap out of it and did not have any further problems.
[15:24:30] <zeeshan|2> but when i press the e-stop button, how will emc know that it's in e-stop mode?
[15:24:47] <jdh> the e-stop input
[15:25:33] <zeeshan|2> jdh that is its own individual circuit
[15:25:47] <MrSunshine> PetefromTn, hehe this is a router im building and have over 1dm length (4") a tilt of the Z of about 1.5mm and tried to shim it up but nothing worked out to well, and if i found a combination that worked i didnt have shimstock for it :P
[15:25:56] <zeeshan|2> let me just make a diagram. im confusing myselkf
[15:26:02] <Connor> I have my C10 in series with that as well.. (using +v5) so, when Estop or charge pump is tripped.. it kills the C10 breakout, which then pulls the pin for the linuxcnc high or low.. (don't remember)
[15:26:05] <jdh> zee: input pin to lcnc
[15:26:10] <MrSunshine> so now its just milling the bottomside of the Z insted .. (it wasnt processed at all when i planed the bearing surface :P )
[15:26:30] <PetefromTn> Ouch..
[15:26:32] <PetefromTn> LOL
[15:26:47] <PetefromTn> Do you have a mill to do it?
[15:26:50] <Connor> You might be able to use the NC side of the charge pump relay to send the signal to linuxcnc..
[15:27:03] <jdh> I have a 4-pole relay
[15:27:06] <MrSunshine> as its a wood router its not a huge problem with some tilt in the Z and its mostly for signs and stuff so =)
[15:27:15] <MrSunshine> but my mind tells me it IS important :P
[15:27:35] <zeeshan|2> sec.
[15:27:42] <MrSunshine> PetefromTn, friend got one, but its not fully equiped so gonna see if i can make do or ill wait until monday and go by my old work and borrow the milling machine there =)
[15:27:47] <Connor> The charge pump isn't.. it's only a single pole. though, you could add 4 pole in it.. and let the charge pump relay toggle IT..
[15:27:59] <Connor> okay.. I'm gone for a bit.
[15:28:21] <PetefromTn> at least you can get it taken care of..
[15:28:28] <Swapper_> Hi!
[15:28:29] <Swapper_> Extremely new to linuxcnc but still have a question for future plans on my mill conversion.
[15:28:32] <Swapper_> would it be possible to emulate the encoder signals that linuxcmc needs for rigid tapping from step/dir output ?
[15:28:35] <Swapper_> i have a step/dir servodrive that i think i can tune to be able to folow the step/dir closley.
[15:28:38] <Swapper_> secondly i could get a index pulse from the actual drive.
[15:28:40] <Swapper_> Would it be doable?
[15:28:59] <MrSunshine> PetefromTn, ofc, or ill just drill throught it all and torque it down on the lathe and use that as a mililng machine
[15:29:09] <MrSunshine> either way im going to make it in 90 degrees to the other surface :P
[15:29:26] <PetefromTn> Get it done man GET IT DONE LOL
[15:29:30] <jdh> you have a step/dir servo controlling the spindle?
[15:29:36] <Swapper_> yes
[15:29:42] <jdh> nifty
[15:29:54] <MrSunshine> late now, so sleep and tomorrow im on it ... people are starting to harass me and want stuff made :P
[15:30:07] <Swapper_> but the step dir pins are the same as the encoder outputs (set in driver software)
[15:30:13] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/circuit_zps6c6fca31.png
[15:30:21] <zeeshan|2> thats how i currently have my e-stop circuit
[15:30:47] <Swapper_> so i cant get the encoder emulation out from the drive and at the same time control it with step/dir.
[15:30:48] <zeeshan|2> now how do i tell emc through its pin#10 that e-stop is active
[15:30:51] <zeeshan|2> using this circuit!
[15:31:51] <zeeshan|2> sorry for the 2 year old paint drawing
[15:31:51] <zeeshan|2> :)
[15:32:07] <Jymmm> what is the estop square?
[15:32:16] <zeeshan|2> haha
[15:32:27] <Jymmm> seriously
[15:32:31] <jdh> what shuts off the drive?
[15:32:35] <jdh> drives?
[15:32:38] <zeeshan|2> when you press the e-stop
[15:32:41] <zeeshan|2> it shuts off the drive
[15:32:46] <Jymmm> big red button?
[15:32:56] <Jymmm> a switch?
[15:33:01] <zeeshan|2> jdh i didnt draw the disconnect switch
[15:33:16] <zeeshan|2> but there is a disconnect switch auxillary contacts in series in that circuit too
[15:33:35] <zeeshan|2> so if either the disconnect or e-stop is activated
[15:33:39] <zeeshan|2> the drive goes in fault mode
[15:34:03] <zeeshan|2> what im wondering is how i tell emc now that the system in e-stop mode
[15:34:08] <zeeshan|2> using this circuit
[15:34:28] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: You still haven't defines what those items are
[15:34:32] <Jymmm> defined*
[15:34:36] <zeeshan|2> what items sir
[15:34:43] <Jymmm> the square
[15:34:53] <zeeshan|2> each square is an item..
[15:34:58] <zeeshan|2> e-stop is the e-stop switch
[15:35:01] <zeeshan|2> vfd is the vfd
[15:35:04] <Jymmm> But WHAT are they?
[15:35:11] <zeeshan|2> ??
[15:35:19] <Jymmm> switch? But a big red button?
[15:35:21] <zeeshan|2> e-stop is a switch.
[15:35:29] <zeeshan|2> charge pump is a relay
[15:35:38] <zeeshan|2> what else is e-stop? :P
[15:35:46] <Jymmm> an entire chain
[15:36:36] <Swapper_> Found this regarding emulated encoder: http://linuxcnc.org/dapper/emc2/emc2/index.php/italian/forum/49-basic-configuration/24554-configuring-stepdir-lathe-spindle-for-threading
[15:37:01] <Swapper_> Anyone have any exp with emulated spindle encoders?
[15:38:50] <zeeshan|2> jdh please help ;[
[15:39:29] <PetefromTn> LOL that was a humorous back and forth hehe
[15:41:58] <MrSunshine> oo new project again! :P
[15:42:06] <MrSunshine> new limit/home switches for the cnc :P
[15:42:39] <PetefromTn> I guess those folks harassing you for work are gonna have to wait a bit longer LOL...
[15:42:44] <MrSunshine> haha
[15:42:55] <MrSunshine> nah this is a change i can make later and it will be just bolt on when its done =)
[15:43:05] <MrSunshine> http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCMillCNCHomeSwitches.htm
[15:44:03] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn make sure you get a 4k flatscreen you can't use yet too
[15:44:47] <PetefromTn> Yeah funny you mention it, we were in HHGregg and they have some STUPID expensive ones over there. $4K is nothing...
[15:45:03] <Tom_itx> 4k res
[15:45:17] <PetefromTn> Seems like everything is going up but our damn paychecks..
[15:45:21] <PetefromTn> Aah that too..
[15:45:41] <Tom_itx> my paycheck keeps going up
[15:45:44] <Tom_itx> in smoke
[15:45:52] <PetefromTn> LOL
[15:46:05] <PetefromTn> I just hear this massive sucking sound from my wallet.
[15:46:38] <PetefromTn> Trying to decide which toolholders to order here...
[15:46:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h99/alexccm/PIC_0208.jpg
[15:47:13] <zeeshan|2> if you look at this diagram, this e-stop makes a complete circuit with 5v and then back to pin 10.
[15:47:18] <zeeshan|2> the problem with my circuit is its at 12v.
[15:47:37] <PetefromTn> Was thinking of getting this setup from Shars.. Great value I think...
[15:47:41] <PetefromTn> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-CAT40-ER32-COLLET-CHUCKS-CAT-40-ER32-5-CHUCKS-PACKAGE-NEW-/300756622802?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item46067dddd2
[15:47:49] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn: those are nice
[15:47:51] <zeeshan|2> i love shars products
[15:48:13] <PetefromTn> They are just Okay I think but several shops near me have a bunch of them and never heard any complaints.
[15:48:25] <zeeshan|2> http://www.shars.com/products/view/304/ER32_R8_Collet_System
[15:48:27] <zeeshan|2> that is what i have
[15:48:29] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: I have few sets
[15:48:38] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah how do you like them?
[15:48:45] <zeeshan|2> they're not glacern tools er32 collets
[15:48:47] <zeeshan|2> but they're good enough
[15:49:21] <CaptHindsight> they are fine, just be sure to get the matching wrench, they sent us the wrong size
[15:49:31] <PetefromTn> Did you guys buy the ER32's in stub length like this or do you have ER16's or 20's too..
[15:49:32] <zeeshan|2> i can measure no runout on them
[15:49:33] <zeeshan|2> ;P
[15:49:44] <PetefromTn> NO RUNOUT???
[15:49:54] <zeeshan|2> infinite runout :P
[15:50:01] <PetefromTn> Holy crap that is amazing. Ya sure you are doing it right LOL
[15:50:08] <zeeshan|2> they're definitely way less then 0.0005
[15:50:11] <zeeshan|2> "
[15:50:21] <PetefromTn> hehehe just busting your chops man..
[15:50:33] <PetefromTn> Where are you located?
[15:50:42] <zeeshan|2> hamilton, ontario, canada
[15:50:49] <PetefromTn> What kinda VMC ya got?
[15:51:00] <zeeshan|2> i don't have a vmc
[15:51:08] <zeeshan|2> i have vertical milling machine as of right now
[15:51:14] <zeeshan|2> it'll be a MC soon :P
[15:51:23] <PetefromTn> with Cat40 tooling nice..
[15:51:26] <zeeshan|2> no
[15:51:27] <zeeshan|2> with r8
[15:51:32] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[15:51:36] <zeeshan|2> i wish it was cat40
[15:51:49] <PetefromTn> Im sorry.. then how do you have Cat40 holders?
[15:51:58] <zeeshan|2> i have r8 er32 collets..
[15:52:01] <zeeshan|2> not cat40 holders
[15:52:02] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[15:52:13] <PetefromTn> Oh okay. misunderstood..
[15:53:03] <CaptHindsight> Shars has er32 for several holders bt30-40, cat30-40, r8 etc
[15:53:40] <PetefromTn> yeah I know but he said that is what I have and I ASSUMED he was talking about the link I posted.
[15:53:49] <PetefromTn> Do you have those Cat40 holders?
[15:54:07] <CaptHindsight> it sure beats having to grind/cut off the old tool and weld in a new one :)
[15:54:50] <PetefromTn> Is that a yes?
[15:55:07] <CaptHindsight> we have cat40, bt40 and r8 versions
[15:55:34] <Swapper_> These are quite nice in price, have one and hope it will do: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BT30-ER32-70L-CNC-Milling-collet-Chuck-Holder-YS0822-/280789863397?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4160614be5
[15:55:42] <Swapper_> BT30 ER32 that is
[15:56:42] <PetefromTn> Interesting... Did you get it already>
[15:57:06] <Swapper_> yea got it, looks nice but havent tried it yet since my new mill isnt done.
[15:57:11] <PetefromTn> I need to order some collets too..
[15:57:32] <PetefromTn> Chuck that bad boy up there and throw a DTI on it LOL..
[15:58:40] <Swapper_> hehe the millinghead is on the floor with crappy bearings :)
[15:58:49] <Swapper_> would not be a good measurment
[16:00:58] <PetefromTn> meh that sucks...
[16:03:38] <PetefromTn> What do you guys recommend for a holder assortment LOL? Trying to decide..
[16:03:51] <Swapper_> you mean ER wise?
[16:03:59] <PetefromTn> Yeah...
[16:04:12] <Swapper_> im running 2 sets ER16 and one set ER32
[16:04:22] <Swapper_> pure hobby use though
[16:04:31] <PetefromTn> I was thinking I would get the five holder set of ER32's and maybe one ER20
[16:05:02] <Swapper_> The ER16 are nice since thres less in the way of coolant flow
[16:05:21] <Swapper_> ER32 i use for 10mm and bigger endmills only
[16:05:39] <Swapper_> guess ER20 would work nice to
[16:05:54] <Swapper_> But i have a HF spindle that take ER16 therefore i ran with that
[16:06:05] <PetefromTn> Coolant flow is NOT a problem LOL this machine is a freakin' deluge.
[16:06:45] <PetefromTn> I suppose it would be nice to have the smaller ones for tinier endmills and cutters tho..
[16:06:49] <Swapper_> Any thaught on getting a HF spindle ANY time the consider ER16, not that many ER20 HF spindles available
[16:06:58] <PetefromTn> I already have some ER20 collets tho just a few.
[16:07:11] <Swapper_> you can get a mix also ?
[16:07:30] <Swapper_> use the ER20 collets for 2-3 holdes for those sizes ?
[16:07:39] <PetefromTn> Was considering getting ALL ER32 and a large selection of collets and use my endmill holders for the smaller stuff.
[16:07:52] <Swapper_> you probably will end upp having tools in all holders.
[16:08:08] <PetefromTn> That's what I am hoping... HATE swapping tools in holders.
[16:08:15] <Swapper_> its a pain
[16:08:17] <PetefromTn> What kinda machine do you have?
[16:08:38] <Swapper_> atm im running a modified X2 with a servo as spindle
[16:08:54] <Swapper_> Bulding conversion parts for a RF45 "XL" version
[16:09:09] <Swapper_> its some beifier version of the RF
[16:09:19] <PetefromTn> Nice.. Enjoyed my RF45... It has its faults but it was decent.
[16:09:22] <Swapper_> Sold as "Luna" here in sweden
[16:09:42] <Swapper_> the z is so big i can get a 2kw servo in there :)
[16:09:50] <Swapper_> and the y drive
[16:09:55] <PetefromTn> If I found one real cheap again I would buy it and use it as a manual machine alongside the VMC..
[16:10:10] <Swapper_> What are you running ?
[16:10:27] <PetefromTn> I had a 3HP three phase driven by a VFD and a custom built belt drive.
[16:10:38] <PetefromTn> whaddya mean?
[16:10:44] <Swapper_> whats your vmc ?
[16:10:46] <Swapper_> model
[16:11:26] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/290359
[16:11:33] <PetefromTn> Cincinatti Arrow 500..
[16:11:38] <Swapper_> will run a 2kw servo as spindle, 1:1 hoping to get enough power for my needs.
[16:11:54] <Swapper_> aow nice one
[16:12:10] <PetefromTn> Not bad...
[16:12:22] <PetefromTn> It works pretty good now that I retrofitted it.
[16:12:23] <Swapper_> are you running it professionaly ?
[16:12:32] <PetefromTn> Still working on the toolchanger tho.
[16:12:37] <PetefromTn> TRYING TO LOL
[16:13:19] <Swapper_> guess its not that easy to make all the logic for a toolchanger
[16:13:33] <Swapper_> planing on doing it in linuxcnc or outside ?
[16:14:17] <PetefromTn> Honestly I don't think it is that bad but I need to get the damn spindle encoder installed and wired up and that needs a custom bracket that I have yet to machine. Much of the toolchanger functions are already input into the Mesa cards...
[16:14:25] <PetefromTn> All LinuxCNC..
[16:14:47] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/circuit_zpsb989d1eb.png
[16:14:50] <zeeshan|2> will this work?
[16:15:07] <zeeshan|2> even though the vfd is putting out +12v from di6
[16:15:09] <Swapper_> PetefromTn: so there where not encoder on the stock machine ?
[16:15:12] <zeeshan|2> as long as i have some resistor before pin 10
[16:15:19] <zeeshan|2> this works? :P
[16:15:22] <Swapper_> how did it orient the spindle ?
[16:15:28] <PetefromTn> No the stock machine used a resolver...
[16:15:43] <Swapper_> ahh ok
[16:15:57] <PetefromTn> It also has several switches for orient and a half moon ring to time the motor with.
[16:16:42] <Swapper_> will you be closing the spindle loop in linuCNC to ?
[16:16:52] <Swapper_> with the encoder
[16:18:49] <PetefromTn> yeah.. The whole machine is closed loop and running on single phase I might add LOL.
[16:19:38] <Swapper_> guess thats some serius amperage then :)
[16:19:59] <PetefromTn> Meh it is running off a 60 amp breaker and has never popped it.
[16:20:10] <Swapper_> we have 3phase 400v here in residential.
[16:20:22] <PetefromTn> nice..
[16:20:31] <Swapper_> but have read that the us is a lot of 1ph ?
[16:21:00] <Swapper_> standard is 110v right ? 220 for high consumers?
[16:21:06] <PetefromTn> I WAS Running off a rotary but it is now single phase so if I move I don't have to worry about powering it.
[16:21:34] <PetefromTn> Standard is 220v household current and they take off the 110v for lighting and wall sockets etc.
[16:21:44] <Swapper_> ok
[16:31:53] <Deejay> gn8
[16:32:06] <Swapper_> nn
[16:32:54] <ChuangTzu_> i didn't know 3ph was standard in .se
[16:33:08] <Swapper_> yea it is
[16:34:02] <Swapper_> and its 400v so i think a normaly fused home (like mine) can pull 11kw
[16:34:08] <ChuangTzu_> does it actually get used much then? in washing machines?
[16:34:37] <Swapper_> stoves, washing machines, heating
[16:34:54] <ChuangTzu_> the idea of a 3ph stove seems strange to me
[16:35:04] <Swapper_> and simply split the 3 phases againt ground and you get 240v
[16:35:47] <Swapper_> my lathe is 3ph 400v but only like 1kw
[16:35:59] <Swapper_> the compressor is 3ph
[16:36:03] <Swapper_> 4kw
[16:36:26] <Swapper_> and its fused 16Amps
[16:36:30] <Swapper_> the whole house
[16:37:07] <Swapper_> Wont US homes requier realy big incoming lines ?
[16:37:24] <Swapper_> since the amperage is so big?
[16:37:25] <ChuangTzu_> only double the current
[16:37:45] <Swapper_> but that will requier more area in the cables?
[16:37:47] <Swapper_> more copper?
[16:37:52] <Swapper_> more expensive ? :)
[16:37:54] <ChuangTzu_> yeah
[16:38:12] <zeeshan|2> swapper the idea is you can survive a shock from a 240v line
[16:38:21] <ChuangTzu_> but change is expensive too i guess
[16:38:23] <zeeshan|2> but you pretty much are guaranteed to die if touching live 400v line
[16:38:49] <zeeshan|2> that being said, i perfer 600V line ;p
[16:38:51] <ChuangTzu_> that was the idea, but i'm not sure there's much validity to it
[16:38:55] <Swapper_> thats why almost all homes have eath protection breakers here
[16:39:17] <zeeshan|2> swapper yes those are awesome :)
[16:39:49] <Swapper_> its promoted in insurance reduction
[16:39:57] <Swapper_> if you have it installed
[16:41:05] <Swapper_> But to get 400v you need to get between the phases, so normal wall sockets is onlu 240
[16:42:47] <PetefromTn> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PC-CAT40-ER32-PRECISION-COLLET-CHUCK-FOR-MAZAK-TENTH-ACCURACY-FREE-RETEION-KNOB-/221243485574?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item338323ad86
[16:42:50] <ChuangTzu_> yeah, that's similar to why our outlets are 110
[16:42:55] <ChuangTzu_> even though we have 220 coming in
[16:42:56] <PetefromTn> Looks like a good deal including the spanner.
[16:43:40] <ChuangTzu_> i'm not sure if you'd call it two phase
[16:43:43] <ChuangTzu_> usually it's called split phase
[16:43:53] <Swapper_> ah ok
[16:44:25] <Swapper_> PetefromTn: your running CAT40 ? 29,8 a pice inc pullstuds + ships sounds OK ?
[16:44:57] <PetefromTn> yeah includes the proper spanner too...
[16:45:20] <zeeshan|2> someone plz help me with my safety circuit
[16:45:21] <Swapper_> Free Shipping in US regardless of qty
[16:45:22] <PetefromTn> Dunno if they are worth a damn tho.. It says tenth accuracy whatever that means....
[16:45:23] <zeeshan|2> pretty please!
[16:45:36] <PetefromTn> what is your problem?
[16:45:47] <zeeshan|2> i need to confirm if my logic is correct
[16:45:52] <zeeshan|2> and ihaven't overlooked something
[16:45:53] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/circuit_zpscfc6a794.png
[16:46:21] <zeeshan|2> DI6 outputs +12V which goes through an e-stop switch which is normally closed, and the charge pump relay which is normally closed
[16:46:28] <PetefromTn> Man nobody is gonna be able to help you without knowing the actual boards and components used.
[16:46:39] <zeeshan|2> this is pure logic stuff
[16:46:46] <PetefromTn> is this theoretical?
[16:46:54] <zeeshan|2> i guess so lol
[16:47:15] <zeeshan|2> so if i trip the e-stop or charge pump relay, then the circuit loop will open and throw the vfd in "fault mode"
[16:47:37] <zeeshan|2> the second circuit you see shows +5v going to a normally open contact on the vfd. that contact only closes if there is a fault
[16:47:49] <PetefromTn> Honestly it depends on the VFD...
[16:48:07] <zeeshan|2> man i wish this fucking vfd outputted +5v instead of +12v
[16:48:15] <zeeshan|2> thats the whole problem and not allowing me to keep all my switches in series.
[16:48:24] <Swapper_> the vfd contact should be pulled low when the drive is happy
[16:48:29] <PetefromTn> My view of E-stop is that no matter what happens you get an estop and the power is killed to everything..
[16:48:31] <Swapper_> then if the drive dies the estop kicks
[16:49:13] <PetefromTn> I would put the VFD on a contactor that is controlled by your estop circuit and then if you get an estop it will be killed.
[16:49:33] <PetefromTn> I mean an external contactor.
[16:50:57] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn:sometimes it can make sens to let the vfds brake first and then power off
[16:51:07] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel: exactly
[16:51:09] <zeeshan|2> thats how i want it it
[16:51:12] <Swapper_> yea controled stop
[16:51:14] <Swapper_> then kill
[16:51:19] <zeeshan|2> thats how it is right now
[16:51:24] <Swapper_> but that requiers some logic
[16:51:47] <PetefromTn> Personally I will take an absolute power kill over logic and brakiing any day.
[16:51:49] <zeeshan|2> the problem is the circuit that completes that loop is 12v
[16:51:58] <Loetmichel> in german machines ther is a special relais for that
[16:52:06] <Swapper_> There are three categories of Stop functions:
[16:52:06] <Swapper_> Category 0: Shut down by immediate switch-off of the supply of energy to the
[16:52:06] <Swapper_> drive machinery (i.e. an uncontrolled shut-down)
[16:52:06] <Swapper_> Category 1: A controlled shut-down, during which the supply of energy to the
[16:52:06] <Swapper_> drive machinery is maintained to perform the shut-down, and where
[16:52:09] <Swapper_> the supply is only interrupted when standstill has been reached
[16:52:10] <Loetmichel> that handles all estop-related stuff
[16:52:11] <Swapper_> Category 2: A controlled shut-down, wh
[16:52:15] <Swapper_> Category 2: A controlled shut-down, where the supply of energy to the drive
[16:52:16] <Swapper_> machinery is maintained
[16:52:17] <Loetmichel> like door switches and so on
[16:52:33] <Loetmichel> and can also delay a circuit for safe braking
[16:52:39] <zeeshan|2> my e-stop puts the vfd in fault mode only.
[16:52:56] <zeeshan|2> to remove power from the vfd, i have a disconnect switch which also has an aux contact
[16:53:04] <PetefromTn> My drives have two power inputs. main power to the drives and logic power. When the power is killed logic power is maintained.
[16:53:08] <Loetmichel> i.e: estop pressed_ send emergency brake to the vfds, wait a few secs, kill the main switch
[16:53:12] <zeeshan|2> which also puts the vfd in fault mode a few ms earlier prior to removing power from vfd
[16:54:28] <Swapper_> http://www.tgdrives.cz/fileadmin/user_upload/download/servozesilovace_servostar/sr400_e.pdf
[16:54:31] <Swapper_> Page 22
[16:54:33] <Swapper_> God read
[16:57:26] <PetefromTn> Gotta go guys talk later..
[16:58:29] <Swapper_> good night all.
[17:02:32] <zeeshan|2> cu
[17:02:35] <zeeshan|2> im silly
[17:02:48] <zeeshan|2> i just measured the di6 on the vfd and its 5v not 12v
[17:15:12] <zeeshan|2> here we go
[17:15:13] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/finalcircuit_zps98d84b73.png
[17:15:14] <zeeshan|2> i think this works.
[17:58:06] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm trying to mill annealed 5160, and it's wearing my end mills quickly
[17:58:15] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm using hss end mills, .250 diameter
[17:58:28] <seb_kuzminsky> ~75 SFM, ~0.0015 ipt chip load
[17:58:57] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm cutting mostly dry, with a bit of wd40 more out of habit than for any real reason
[17:59:02] <seb_kuzminsky> mostly deep slots
[17:59:33] <seb_kuzminsky> my depth of cut is 0.025
[17:59:49] <seb_kuzminsky> does that all seem reasonable? what can i do to extend tool life?
[18:00:22] <Tom_itx> annealed kinda sucks to mill
[18:00:35] <Tom_itx> carbide would be best really
[18:00:59] <Tom_itx> chipload is a bit light unless the mill won't take it
[18:01:27] <zeeshan|2> what material end mill?
[18:01:27] <seb_kuzminsky> carbide, mm yes
[18:01:32] * seb_kuzminsky strokes beard thoughtfully
[18:01:37] <Tom_itx> wd40 isn't a coolant or cutting fluid
[18:01:47] <seb_kuzminsky> the endmill is high speed steel :-/
[18:01:51] <zeeshan|2> you're killing carbide end mills?
[18:01:52] <Tom_itx> at least use motor oil :)
[18:01:56] <zeeshan|2> oh
[18:02:00] <zeeshan|2> your sfm is too high
[18:02:02] <Tom_itx> no he's using hss
[18:02:15] <zeeshan|2> slow down to 500 rpm
[18:02:17] <ChuangTzu_> yeah, that's the point of carbide end mills
[18:02:17] <ChuangTzu_> :)
[18:02:46] <Tom_itx> 500rpm in annealed aluminum?? seriously?
[18:02:54] <seb_kuzminsky> it's annealed 5160
[18:02:59] <zeeshan|2> its steel
[18:02:59] <zeeshan|2> dude
[18:03:09] <seb_kuzminsky> 500 rpm would be 33 sfm, that seems low
[18:03:12] <zeeshan|2> 5160 is a common blade making steel
[18:03:22] <Tom_itx> err yeah.. my head is in the books right now.. sry
[18:03:36] <Tom_itx> chip load is ok then
[18:03:46] <Tom_itx> 4 flute would be better than 2
[18:03:55] <seb_kuzminsky> zeeshan|2: would you run carbide through 5160 at 33 sfm?
[18:04:00] <zeeshan|2> hell no
[18:04:05] <zeeshan|2> i'd shoot that thing to 150 sfm
[18:04:06] <zeeshan|2> :)
[18:04:08] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm using a 4-flute end mill, it'd take forever with a 2 flute
[18:04:11] <zeeshan|2> but with hss, you're limited
[18:04:12] <seb_kuzminsky> aha
[18:04:31] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, carbide 4-flute at 150 sfm, got it! now where's my enco discount code...
[18:04:52] <zeeshan|2> i hate spring steel
[18:04:52] <seb_kuzminsky> and still a chipload of .0015 inch?
[18:04:52] <zeeshan|2> :(
[18:04:53] <Tom_itx> don't just get one either
[18:05:02] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, i'll buy a couple
[18:05:08] <Tom_itx> just a sec here...
[18:05:11] <seb_kuzminsky> amortize the shipping, dont stall production...
[18:05:49] <zeeshan|2> seb btw 150 sfm is on the bottom end
[18:05:51] <Tom_itx> http://zero-divide.net/index.php?page=fswizard&shell_id=199&load_tool_id=27011
[18:05:58] <zeeshan|2> if your machine is rigid i've seen 5xxx steel being machined at 350sfm
[18:06:00] <Tom_itx> that's a good site for figuring loads
[18:06:17] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks Tom_itx
[18:06:22] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: nice!
[18:06:27] <Tom_itx> you can download it too
[18:06:30] <seb_kuzminsky> and thanks zeeshan|2
[18:06:31] <zeeshan|2> excellent site
[18:06:33] <zeeshan|2> np
[18:06:38] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll know what to try for next time :-)
[18:07:34] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:07:44] <zeeshan|2> i put int 6061 aluminum and .5 end mill
[18:07:45] <Tom_itx> http://www.onsrud.com/plusdocs/Doc/index.html?model.code=FeedSpeeds
[18:07:48] <Tom_itx> another handy one
[18:07:54] <zeeshan|2> it tells me i can machine at 650sfm
[18:07:56] <zeeshan|2> ;D
[18:08:07] <zeeshan|2> this site isn't conservative
[18:08:07] <zeeshan|2> i like
[18:08:34] <Tom_itx> indicates HP too
[18:08:59] <zeeshan|2> holy shit
[18:09:06] <zeeshan|2> thats at .875 depth of cut
[18:09:07] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:09:14] <zeeshan|2> thats chip anhillation
[18:09:21] <Tom_itx> so if you don't got the HP don't cut that fast
[18:09:29] <zeeshan|2> this can't be right dude
[18:09:43] <zeeshan|2> .875 doc , hss steel .5" end mill 2 flute in 1018 steel
[18:09:54] <zeeshan|2> its saying 1143 rpm 4.54ipm feed
[18:10:00] <zeeshan|2> 0.3 hp
[18:10:17] <zeeshan|2> i'd prolly break something
[18:10:20] <Tom_itx> better have the cnc bolted to the floor
[18:10:33] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[18:12:37] <zeeshan|2> im almost done all my virtual wwiring
[18:12:38] <zeeshan|2> woohoo
[18:13:52] <zeeshan|2> something tells me figuring out the wirting for the vfd control board
[18:13:55] <zeeshan|2> is going to be a pain
[18:27:54] <florolf> hi
[18:33:04] <Tom_itx> lo
[18:39:36] <zeeshan|2> im a little confused about this vfd control board
[18:39:44] <zeeshan|2> c6 by cnc4pc
[18:40:00] <zeeshan|2> its got step, gnd, dir(cw), en(ccw)
[18:40:17] <zeeshan|2> why does it need 1 signal for cw and one for ccw
[18:40:35] <zeeshan|2> can't you make it so if dir was 5v, its do cw, and if it was low, it'd be ccw ?
[18:40:48] <Tom_itx> is en(ccw) enable?
[18:41:06] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:41:14] <zeeshan|2> http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/C6R6_User_Manual.pdf
[18:41:15] <zeeshan|2> page 4
[18:41:22] <zeeshan|2> under input sigals connectors
[18:43:49] <zeeshan|2> oh
[18:44:03] <zeeshan|2> i think dir can be set as "ccw/cw" as i was saying
[18:44:19] <zeeshan|2> but if thats the case, then i need to send a "run" signal to the vfd.. through the enable pin
[19:19:39] <zeeshan|2> are you guys typically powering your limit switches with 12v or 24v or 5v?
[19:19:50] <jdh> yes.
[19:20:11] <kengu> true. yes.
[19:21:05] <Jymmm> 220VAC... Hit a limit switch, pops the breakers, stops.
[19:21:25] <zeeshan|2> you guys didnt answer my question
[19:21:26] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:21:33] <zeeshan|2> i gues my question wasn't clear
[19:21:33] <kengu> zeeshan|2: i did
[19:21:43] <zeeshan|2> what are you using 5v 12v or 24v
[19:21:43] <kengu> well.. but
[19:21:44] <jdh> I'm using 5v, 12v, 24v
[19:21:51] <Jymmm> Yes
[19:22:08] <zeeshan|2> if you're using 12v for example, how do you feed that input to your parallel port through your bob
[19:22:11] <zeeshan|2> when it's expecting 5v
[19:22:13] <zeeshan|2> won't you fry it
[19:22:19] <jdh> I use 5v on the pport machine
[19:22:24] <zeeshan|2> ah
[19:22:29] <zeeshan|2> where do you get your power from?
[19:22:43] <Jymmm> purple power people
[19:22:48] <zeeshan|2> my bob can only provide 1.5A max 5v
[19:22:56] <zeeshan|2> im currently using that to power the charge pump and index pulse
[19:22:56] <jdh> pc power supply
[19:23:03] <zeeshan|2> i don't want to overload it
[19:23:18] <jdh> if you overload 1.5A, I'd rethink your wiring
[19:23:31] <zeeshan|2> well usually limit switches have long runs if wire
[19:23:41] <zeeshan|2> i haven't done the calculations
[19:23:48] <Jymmm> jdh: 8ga limit sw wiring
[19:24:29] <jdh> whatever works for you. I have 22.
[19:24:50] <jdh> and 2.2k pullups I think
[19:25:03] <zeeshan|2> this bob has internal pull ups
[19:25:06] <zeeshan|2> 1k
[19:25:28] <jdh> what kind of machine is this?
[19:25:32] <zeeshan|2> lathe
[19:25:44] <zeeshan|2> since i have a shit load of 18 gauge wire
[19:25:46] <zeeshan|2> i was planning to use it
[19:25:50] <jdh> how did you do the X?
[19:26:02] <zeeshan|2> for the limit switches?
[19:26:10] <jdh> no, for the screw.
[19:26:21] <zeeshan|2> i haven't done the ball screws yet
[19:26:27] <zeeshan|2> im building the cad model of my controller right now
[19:26:36] <zeeshan|2> but the goal is to have 4 limit switches in series
[19:27:09] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 shielded wire right?
[19:27:12] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:27:15] <Tom_itx> mkay
[19:27:20] <zeeshan|2> ofcourse!
[19:27:29] <jdh> yeah me too. but, I'm stuck on the X ballscrew. And the weather.
[19:27:30] <zeeshan|2> and if any wire isn't shielded, ill be shielding it
[19:27:40] <zeeshan|2> post pics of your x axis
[19:27:53] <zeeshan|2> i have a shit load of space on mine to put a ball screw
[19:28:04] <jdh> me too, on either side.
[19:28:09] <zeeshan|2> i mean under it
[19:28:10] <jdh> but, I don't want to do that.
[19:28:17] <jdh> yeah, mine is a toy lathe
[19:28:36] <zeeshan|2> screw putting the ball screws on the side
[19:28:40] <zeeshan|2> then you have to worry about covers
[19:28:45] <zeeshan|2> which adds money =/
[19:29:01] <jdh> so far I have ~$500 in it
[19:29:13] <zeeshan|2> how long is the lathe?
[19:29:15] <jdh> lathe, ballscrews, steppers
[19:29:16] <zeeshan|2> travel
[19:29:19] <jdh> 9x20
[19:29:32] <zeeshan|2> 20" telescoping covers are like 200$
[19:29:39] <zeeshan|2> those nice metal ones
[19:29:53] <zeeshan|2> what limit switches are you using?
[19:30:04] <jdh> it will just have an L-shaped Al cover over the top of teh screw
[19:30:17] <jdh> dunno yet.
[19:30:23] <zeeshan|2> i wanna seal mine
[19:30:24] <jdh> I'm stuck on the X
[19:30:28] <zeeshan|2> i grind in the shop
[19:30:32] <zeeshan|2> and that dust gets everywhere
[19:30:34] <jdh> if it were a real lathe, I might also.
[19:30:43] <zeeshan|2> your lathe is pretty nice :P
[19:30:43] <jdh> but, it's a craigslist 9x20
[19:30:44] <zeeshan|2> don't be mean
[19:31:07] <zeeshan|2> just cause it's not a southbend or myford doesnt mean its a toy ;p
[19:31:11] <jdh> if I had a real one, I would probably just keep it manual.
[19:31:24] <zeeshan|2> why
[19:31:28] <zeeshan|2> threading manually sux
[19:31:34] <zeeshan|2> change a billion gears, watch the dial
[19:31:41] <zeeshan|2> cnc you sit back and watch. :)
[19:32:06] <zeeshan|2> plus you always need some sort of relief too cause its hard to stop the threading at the exact spot
[19:33:05] <zeeshan|2> jdh how much current do you think 4 lever type limit switches with a run of 15 ft of wire will draw?
[19:34:13] <jdh> dunno. I'd just wire it up and measure.
[19:34:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:34:32] <jdh> 'not much
[19:35:15] <jdh> the wire is a given. the switches could suck.
[19:36:34] <jdh> 0.0098v drop for the wire, so 'not much'
[19:36:48] <zeeshan|2> do you have any limit switches on you?
[19:36:56] <jdh> not on the lathe.
[19:37:03] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/OMRON-V-165-1C5-Limit-Switch-1pcs-new-/221162202846?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item337e4b66de
[19:37:09] <zeeshan|2> i want to run these style omron switches
[19:37:14] <jdh> I have 3 sets of cheap series switches on the router
[19:38:19] <zeeshan|2> the spec sheet tells me contact resistance and insulation resistance
[19:38:23] <zeeshan|2> but not terminal resistance lol
[19:38:38] <zeeshan|2> i really don't want to add an external 5v supply
[19:38:51] <zeeshan|2> i guess i could use a dc to dc convert off my 12V supply
[19:38:51] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2then measure the current draw now
[19:38:58] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: i don't have them on me.
[19:39:13] <zeeshan|2> but ill do what jdh said
[19:39:14] <jdh> I grabbed 5v from a spare disk drive power cable
[19:39:25] <zeeshan|2> hook em up
[19:39:30] <zeeshan|2> measure current draw
[19:39:45] <zeeshan|2> if its like 100mA or 200mA ill just hook it up to the BOB 5v.
[19:39:46] <jdh> it will be in the low mA
[19:41:20] <zeeshan|2> c4 chargepump draws 300mA , c3 index pulse draws 200mA
[19:41:33] <zeeshan|2> im not sure what pul+ and dir+ draw for each stepper
[19:42:08] <zeeshan|2> i see 270ohm resistors on the circuit diagram
[19:42:34] <zeeshan|2> so prolly about 100mA each stepper driver
[19:42:55] <zeeshan|2> that leaves me with 800mA for the limit switches
[19:44:41] <zeeshan|2> here is the final 3d model for the controller
[19:44:47] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/design_controller_zps36af1d90.png
[19:44:50] <zeeshan|2> fully wired :D
[19:44:54] <zeeshan|2> minus the limit switches
[19:45:18] <jdh> uhm... it isn't in ms-paint format.
[19:45:32] <zeeshan|2> huh
[19:45:32] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[19:45:42] <zeeshan|2> you don't have png support on your browser?
[19:45:57] <jdh> have you bought the c6?
[19:46:10] <zeeshan|2> no im about to place an order for the c6, c4 and c3 right now
[19:46:17] <zeeshan|2> i wanted to ensure all wiring was adequate before ordering anything
[19:46:21] <zeeshan|2> everything else i have
[19:46:51] <jdh> I have a C41. I think people have had problems with the C6 and linuxcnc
[19:47:03] <zeeshan|2> well i run both mach3 and linuxcnc
[19:47:20] <jdh> oh.
[19:47:22] <jdh> one of them.
[19:48:03] <zeeshan|2> i honestly didnt see what th e big difference was between c41 and c6
[19:48:15] <zeeshan|2> other than it being pwm.
[19:49:48] <zeeshan|2> oh and it looks like you free one output
[19:50:02] <jdh> the description of the c41 is cut/paste from the c6
[19:50:19] <zeeshan|2> looks like you only need step and dir for c41
[19:50:23] <zeeshan|2> no need for enable
[19:50:30] <jdh> pwm and dir
[19:50:51] <zeeshan|2> im assuming pwm is just a signal from your bob
[19:51:12] <jdh> the pwmgen is from the pport
[19:51:28] <zeeshan|2> i like the simplicity of c6
[19:51:44] <jdh> c41 is pretty trivial.
[19:51:47] <zeeshan|2> basically m03 = dir = high
[19:51:52] <zeeshan|2> m04 = en = high
[19:51:57] <jdh> you will be using mach on this?
[19:52:06] <zeeshan|2> i haven't decided yet
[19:52:11] <zeeshan|2> i like the linux cnc interface better
[19:52:16] <zeeshan|2> plus i can run linux on an older system
[19:52:27] <zeeshan|2> and its a lot easier to customize
[19:52:56] <zeeshan|2> goal is to try both software
[19:53:13] <zeeshan|2> whatever works will be run on the lathe, mill and eventually plasma cutter
[19:53:33] <zeeshan|2> since i'll never be running all 3 machines at once, ill control them from one computer
[19:53:48] <jdh> don't forget to change your nick to Machzeeshan so you can be properly shunned.
[19:53:58] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:55:07] <tjtr33> anyone used aluminum die shoes with ball cage guides?
[19:55:11] <tjtr33> I need something near 3"x5" plates with 2" stroke, any ideas about cost?
[19:55:22] <zeeshan|2> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/axisubuntu.png
[19:55:22] <zeeshan|2> vs
[19:55:43] <zeeshan|2> http://chaingunstudios.com/Temp/cnc/ThrashMach3Rough.jpg
[19:55:50] <zeeshan|2> the linuxcnc interface is 10x better
[19:56:16] <zeeshan|2> mach3 feels all disorganized
[19:57:20] <zeeshan|2> man i love this 3d model
[19:57:33] <zeeshan|2> i can click on each wire and see visually where the hell it goes
[19:57:48] <zeeshan|2> and it's given me a cut list
[20:09:13] <zeeshan|2> ordered
[20:09:21] <zeeshan|2> hopefully they arrive fast
[21:08:57] <Connor> zeeshan|2: Please use regular schematic to document what your doing.. That is very hard to follow.. http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/media/finalcircuit_zps98d84b73.png.html
[21:09:16] <Connor> and, you want the NO side on the charge pump.
[21:09:31] <Connor> because.. the NO side will be CLOSED when charge pump is ACTIVE
[21:09:48] <zeeshan|2> i figured it out already
[21:10:08] <zeeshan|2> yes i had that reversed
[21:10:45] <Connor> Which drawing is the correct one now ?
[21:11:21] <zeeshan|2> the one in my 3d model :)
[21:11:32] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/design_controller_zps36af1d90.png
[21:11:36] <zeeshan|2> but you prolly wont be able to tell :P
[21:12:03] <Connor> Umm.. No. You might want to draw it out one last time using schematic view and have one of us double check it.
[21:12:39] <zeeshan|2> Connor: its exactly the same
[21:12:48] <zeeshan|2> but instead of "output NC" it should say output NO
[21:12:51] <zeeshan|2> on the charge pump
[21:13:12] <zeeshan|2> everything else is the same
[21:13:13] <Connor> DB16.. Is that the 5v Source ?
[21:13:16] <zeeshan|2> yes
[21:13:25] <Connor> okay.. and the Common on the VFD ?
[21:13:33] <zeeshan|2> the common on the vfd is ground
[21:13:34] <Connor> Is that TRUE Common, or the E-Stop ?
[21:13:39] <zeeshan|2> it's a true common
[21:13:54] <Connor> then all you have is a short.
[21:14:33] <zeeshan|2> huh
[21:14:51] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/instruct_zpsc6216756.png
[21:14:58] <zeeshan|2> i followed that from the vfd manual
[21:15:01] <Connor> Looking at it..
[21:15:28] <zeeshan|2> as long as the pin between di6 and com is shorted (normally closed)
[21:15:37] <skunkworks> I guess I am old school - but I would want the estop cutting the power to the vfd/drives
[21:15:38] <zeeshan|2> the vfd doesn't fault
[21:15:49] <zeeshan|2> skunk it does
[21:15:57] <skunkworks> ah
[21:16:08] <zeeshan|2> the disconnect SW
[21:16:26] <zeeshan|2> wait sorry it doesnt
[21:16:32] <zeeshan|2> i don't kill the power to the VFD line side ever
[21:16:44] <zeeshan|2> unless i shut the entire system off with the disconnect switch
[21:16:56] <zeeshan|2> which removes power from vfd, power supplies
[21:17:01] <Connor> okay.. So, here is the issue I see.. You should be breaking the Common via the Estop and the charge pump.. not the DB16
[21:17:28] <Connor> Your Pin 10 will ALWAYS be Grounded to common.
[21:18:53] <jdh> it's not an e-stop circuit. It's a please-shut-down circuit
[21:19:02] <Connor> Though, some would argue that breaking ground is bad, because that's not 100% fail safe.. because what happens if it shorts to the case or something.
[21:21:13] <Connor> I don't have a VFD, I'm using a SCR speed controller... I kill power using a SSR on the AC side.
[21:21:27] <jdh> me too
[21:21:37] <Connor> my point is..I don't think this is going to work the way you have it drawn.
[21:21:46] <Connor> at least for the BOB side of it.
[21:21:59] <zeeshan|2> see
[21:22:07] <Connor> I don't think D16 provides voltage...
[21:22:13] <zeeshan|2> it does
[21:22:21] <Connor> I think it sinks to common.
[21:22:24] <zeeshan|2> i have a mill with the same model vfd
[21:22:25] <Connor> it's just pulled High..
[21:22:42] <zeeshan|2> i have an e-stop running through it
[21:22:44] <zeeshan|2> when i trigger the e-stop
[21:22:51] <zeeshan|2> di6 puts out 5V
[21:22:59] <zeeshan|2> wait i think you're right.....
[21:23:20] <Connor> Yea, you can't use a INPUT as a voltage source..
[21:23:33] <Connor> It's PULLED high via 5v and a resistor internal..
[21:23:35] <zeeshan|2> its only when i push the e-stop button and connect the positive lead of my voltmeter on the di6 and negative lead on common that i read "5v"
[21:24:02] <Connor> Yea.. You can't use it to source 5v for the BOB as a enable.
[21:24:14] <Connor> or as a input indicator..
[21:24:29] <zeeshan|2> how should i do it then?
[21:25:06] <Connor> Your best bet is to break the common, and pull Pin10 to common when e-stop is not active and charge pup is closed (for normal operation)
[21:25:42] <zeeshan|2> is the common providing +5v?
[21:25:54] <Connor> No. Does pin 10 need 5v?
[21:25:59] <zeeshan|2> yes
[21:26:01] <Connor> You can invert the input.
[21:26:46] <Connor> You should be able to tell the BOB to have inputs pull high.
[21:27:12] <zeeshan|2> it has a pull up resistor 1k for inputs
[21:27:34] <Connor> okay. So, your using pin 10 as a signal to EMC that Estop is active.. you can invert that.
[21:28:26] <Connor> so, run COMMON through your Disconnect SW, Estop and NO on Charge pump.. and the tie to DB16 and Pin 10
[21:29:03] <Connor> when estop is active, D16 and Pin top will be pulled high..
[21:29:13] <Connor> when not active.. they'll be pulled low via common.
[21:29:30] <jdh> s/EMC/Mach3/ above.
[21:29:54] <Connor> EMC = LinuxCNC
[21:29:56] <Connor> sorry..
[21:30:00] <Connor> brain fart.
[21:30:16] <jdh> EMC still sounds fine to me.
[21:30:19] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/finalcircuit_zps7bdec076.png
[21:30:20] <Connor> jdh: No Not Mach3
[21:30:21] <zeeshan|2> like that right?
[21:31:02] <zeeshan|2> basically reversing what i had
[21:31:35] <jdh> I was just giving him a hard time since he says he runs Mach3.
[21:31:51] <zeeshan|2> i said i run both!
[21:32:01] <Connor> Yup. I would use the COMMON pole on the Charge pump relay for the common side.. that way.. you could use the NC side of the relay with Pin 10 if you have issues tieing D16 and Pin 10 together.
[21:33:17] <zeeshan|2> connor thank you for catching this
[21:33:18] <Connor> and if you do it that way.. put the Charge pump last in the chain so that the Estop and Disconnect will still trip it.
[21:33:47] <Connor> I use both NC and NO parts of my Charge pump..
[21:34:14] <Connor> On side is used to toggle a 2nd Relay
[21:34:28] <Connor> the other is the Estop chain.
[21:34:43] <Connor> I don't remember if mine runs Common or +5/12v
[21:34:47] <Connor> I think 12v...
[21:35:18] <Connor> I don't remember.. been over a year since I last looked at it.
[21:35:55] <zeeshan|2> if i have issues with tieing di6 and pin10 together
[21:36:18] <zeeshan|2> i basically just hook up pin10 to the nc side
[21:36:26] <zeeshan|2> dude ithink ill just do that anyway
[21:36:31] <zeeshan|2> cause it makes wiring cleaner.
[21:37:17] <Connor> I have a push-to-start button in my mix.. and kill the BOB with my E-Stop which kills the drivers...
[21:37:47] <Connor> so, I have to have a Momentary button to close the circuit so the charge pump can kick in.
[21:38:00] <Connor> because, non BOB, no Signal for the charge pump.
[21:38:30] <Connor> http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/C4R6WG.pdf
[21:38:33] <Connor> similar concept to that.
[21:39:35] <Connor> Yea, See.. He's running 5v through the Charge pump.. not common.
[21:40:19] <Connor> but since you have to sync D16 low to enable.. that won't work for you.
[21:45:25] <zeeshan|2> just so we're on the same page
[21:45:54] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/finalcircuit_zpsa82a1e79.png
[21:46:02] <zeeshan|2> that should work right?
[21:46:44] <zeeshan|2> when charge pump is energized, the NC contact will be closed and ill see a high signal (5v) at pin10
[21:47:09] <zeeshan|2> ugh thats not gonna work
[21:48:09] <zeeshan|2> cause when charge pump is in non fault mode, the circuit is complete between common at vfd and e-stop switch and disconnect switch
[21:48:28] <zeeshan|2> but there's nothing pulling pin10 to high?
[21:49:43] <zeeshan|2> and if i press my e-stop button, bob doesnt know what happened :P
[21:49:54] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/finalcircuit_zps7bdec076.png
[21:49:57] <zeeshan|2> so i have to keep it like that
[21:51:52] <Tom_itx> haven't been following along but i think it's better to NOT chain the E-STOP signal
[21:52:02] <Tom_itx> all source back to one point
[22:03:41] <zeeshan|2> this is the benefit of doing wiring in 3d
[22:03:43] <zeeshan|2> takes a while but
[22:04:29] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/bom_zps24e7f332.png
[22:04:34] <zeeshan|2> i know exactly how much wire to get!
[22:05:15] <Jymmm> 1ft less then you need.
[22:05:16] <jdh> you might recheck that first one.
[22:05:26] <jdh> I thnk it is really 78.662
[22:05:53] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: obviously i won't order exactly the number you see
[22:05:54] <zeeshan|2> =D
[22:05:57] <zeeshan|2> slightly more
[22:06:16] <jdh> 250ft spool of everything
[22:06:20] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:06:26] <zeeshan|2> what kind of wire do you like?
[22:06:29] <zeeshan|2> i usually use 600v tew
[22:06:43] <jdh> I wouldn't bother with the 14
[22:07:01] <zeeshan|2> why
[22:07:22] <zeeshan|2> that wire powers 2x 8.8A 72V + 1x 5A 12V supplies
[22:07:23] <jdh> because you need 7 inches of 3 colors. Just use 12
[22:07:31] <zeeshan|2> O
[22:07:58] <zeeshan|2> hm i should recheck what that wire is used for
[22:08:34] <zeeshan|2> ah
[22:08:41] <zeeshan|2> all the 14awg wires are b/s
[22:08:47] <zeeshan|2> they're there for show
[22:08:53] <zeeshan|2> thats the wire that goes to the electric motor from the vfd
[22:09:28] <zeeshan|2> i use 14awg soow for that type of stuff
[22:09:32] <zeeshan|2> 4 conductor
[22:12:47] <zeeshan|2> thanks for all your help today guys btw :D
[22:13:44] <zeeshan|2> i gotta find a 40A disconnect switch locally with aux contacts
[22:14:23] <zeeshan|2> automationdirect is a great website but last time i ordered from there (2x illuminated switches total of 20$) shipping cost 20 and i got raped hard on the border
[22:14:33] <zeeshan|2> they don't ship usps :[