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[00:16:29] <zultron> tjtr33: if you want to keep the changes, commit or stash them; if you want to throw them away, git reset --hard
[00:16:44] <zultron> Whoops, he's gone. :-/
[01:00:45] <RyanS> eric_unterhausen: ever tried this style of torch for brazing?
http://www.bullfinch-gas.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=43&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3
[02:11:06] <Deejay> moin
[08:12:26] <R2E4> Just received my 7i84..... WOW, its small for 32In and 16Out. Ended up costing me $201.00....
[08:12:43] <R2E4> We need a mesa distributor in Canada.....
[08:15:50] <jdh> buy 10, resell
[08:16:03] <jdh> usually a nice price break at 5?
[08:17:01] <R2E4> I bought one card for 89 and it costed me 201.00 with shipping and taxes. Customs also I believe is included.
[08:18:07] <R2E4> still, if I bought 10 then it still would only be 120.00 so that would be nice but the problem is I would have to sell for more and people would just go to mesa to get them because they think they would be cheaper.
[08:19:34] <R2E4> I should have bought the 7i80. One card and be done.... 72 IO and its ethernet.
[08:31:24] <R2E4> I think my plc needs ground to fire the relays on the board which means I wont be able to use the board with the 40 relays on it and will have to build a relay bank.
[08:31:49] <archivist> build an interface
[08:33:05] <R2E4> relay board which will switch gnd...... or transistors that will switch +
[08:33:31] <archivist> transistors to switch +
[08:33:45] <archivist> bunch of pnp
[08:34:13] <pcw_home> use a 7I72
[08:34:22] <archivist> and some resistors, I assume diodes across coils are already on the relay card
[08:34:37] <R2E4> Need to etch and drill a pcb...... didnt really want to do that but it looks like i will have to.
[08:35:06] <pcw_home> 7I72 = 48 sinking outputs
[08:35:50] <R2E4> Will have to spend time on the plc board. great......I just got a 7i84....
[08:38:57] <R2E4> pcw_home: the rs422 interface RJ11 to the 7i77, is it standard as the TXA wires to RXA and TXB wires to RXB tie the grounds and add 5v?
[08:44:25] <pcw_home> the 7I77 manual haa the cat5 colors
[08:44:29] <pcw_home> has
[08:45:44] <R2E4> ok, I got it.
[08:46:34] <pcw_home> 1. take cat 5 cable
[08:46:35] <pcw_home> 2. cut off one end
[08:46:37] <pcw_home> 3. Terminate cut end at screw terminal block using colors in manual
[08:46:53] <R2E4> the 7i84 says a a switching power supply for field power is used. Does it have to be a switching power supply?
[08:47:37] <R2E4> soory, VIN power
[08:48:17] <pcw_home> the 7I84 has a switching supply for its logic you need to supply the 7I84 with 8--32 V for VIN
[08:49:07] <pcw_home> the 7I84 is basically the same as the I/O section of a 7I77
[08:50:14] <pcw_home> (though it has the feature that it can split the outputs into 2 banks for different output voltages)
[08:50:51] <R2E4> I can use Pncconf? IT will show up. and one last question.... do I ref it as hm2.5i25.0.7i77.0.0.7i84.0.0.input-01?
[08:51:14] <pcw_home> no 7i77 in name
[08:52:39] <R2E4> ok, cool. There is usually an addres accociated with Rs422. How is that handled with more than one card? the order in which it is placed on the daisey-chain?
[08:52:47] <pcw_home> hm2.5i25.0.7i84.0.0.input-01?
[08:53:12] <pcw_home> I think (halcmd show pin will list all)
[08:53:35] <R2E4> ok, I think I am good to go.
[08:53:44] <pcw_home> they are all on individual links so have no address
[08:54:35] <R2E4> Thanks
[08:54:58] <pcw_home> if you are using master, there's an alternate naming scheme that uses the card serial number
[08:55:26] <pcw_home> (so you can swap serial cables without causing havoc)
[08:58:24] <R2E4> OK, one very last question... Can I creat variable re: 5i25-1 = hm2.5i25.0 and 7i77-1 = 7i77.0.0 and use them like 5i25-1.7i77-1.input-01 ?
[09:05:18] <jdh> R2:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/and2.9.html
[09:08:02] <pcw_home> Yes you can, take a look at the hm2-servo example hal and ini files. these use aliases to allow the hal files to be more portable
[09:15:04] <R2E4> I remidied my DC spike problem
[09:16:23] <R2E4> I put a 120vac relay tied to AC IN on power supply and ran my dc bus through it, so when Power gets turned off on the power supply, DC get s cut going to the 7i77.
[11:36:02] <tjtr33> I was able to switch branches from joints_axes back to master by using git add.. then git commit
[11:36:03] <tjtr33> but got a msg saying i was NNN commits behind. Do i 'git pull'?
[11:37:26] <heathmanc> a git pull will get all updates
[11:37:54] <heathmanc> have to be careful if you have made changes to the local files
[11:37:59] <heathmanc> a git pull can overwrite them
[11:42:15] <tjtr33> i committed the changed files, ( git commit ... ) i think that 'protects' the local files ( ids them as a valid part of the local stash )
[11:42:23] <tjtr33> so is git pull the correct way to solve the NNN commits behind 'problem'?
[11:42:55] <heathmanc> yes
[11:42:58] <tjtr33> thx!
[11:50:46] <tjtr33> git commit -s -a -m"b4swx2master16jan2014" then git pull gives error: Untracked working tree file 'lib/python/gremlin_view.py' would be overwritten by merge. Aborting
[11:51:40] <tjtr33> i never touched that file ( or nknew it existed )
[11:56:18] <pcw_home> Pretty sure I saw that yesterday
[11:57:01] <heathmanc> Well, good news, I located the typo in the hm2_pci file
[11:57:09] <heathmanc> recompiled 2.5.3
[11:57:21] <R2E4> anyway to make linuxCNC start in fullscreen besides using devilspie?
[11:57:24] <heathmanc> the 4i69 works
[11:57:26] <pcw_home> yes a couple missing 't' s
[11:57:39] <heathmanc> lol, yes
[11:58:03] <heathmanc> now question for the hal incapable... what does it take to get a XML for pcconf
[11:58:45] <heathmanc> pncconf
[11:59:06] <pcw_home> I think C Morely makes them by hand
[11:59:25] <heathmanc> ouch
[11:59:54] <pcw_home> The original ones were made by the hostmot2 firmware build script
[12:00:24] <pcw_home> And I have a tool that makes them
[12:00:46] <pcw_home> (by reading and parsing the IDROM from the FPGA)
[12:01:01] <heathmanc> of course you do!
[12:01:13] <heathmanc> i barely muddle my way through what I have
[12:02:23] <pcw_home> I can make a xml file if i get a chance today
[12:03:05] <heathmanc> That would be greatly appreciated
[12:04:20] <pcw_home> I wish the tool worked under linux (but I think the mesaflash utility will add that cabability eventually)
[12:07:01] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:07:24] <Deejay> hi
[12:07:29] <R2E4> 11 solenoids sound right for a ATC carasel 20 tool type?
[12:18:12] <archivist> not sure anyone could know, it all depends on how your atc works
[12:20:39] <tjtr33> begin with , does it use air actuators? that might explain solenoids
[12:23:00] <archivist> there being for example chain, wheel and pocket types with differing actuation
[12:23:44] <archivist> some with position number feedback
[12:30:29] <R2E4> hydraulic actuators
[12:36:22] <R2E4> Normally I would assume the xyz has to be in a certain position for the tool change.
[12:40:20] <archivist> or "a safe place" for some machine types (lathe being an example)
[12:45:21] <R2E4> There is an arm that swings out to grab the tool, so if it is not in the correct placeIt woulent grab the tool.
[13:05:53] <heathmanc> going to have to try ubuntu 8.04, some reason 10.04 just randomly reboots on me
[13:06:20] <heathmanc> have tried installing from livecd multiple times
[13:06:23] <heathmanc> changed ram modules
[13:07:35] <heathmanc> it's a core 2 duo chip, 2.26 P8400
[13:07:46] <heathmanc> only thing i haven't tried is limiting it to 1 core
[13:08:34] <CaptHindsight> is it stable with any OS on it?
[13:09:00] <CaptHindsight> how do you know it is not a hardware problem?
[13:09:03] <heathmanc> doesn't seem to have an issue with XP
[13:09:14] <pcw_home> That should be OK with 10.04
[13:09:32] <heathmanc> it's an adlink readyboard 850 single board computer
[13:09:53] <heathmanc> hasn't rebooted while running linuxcnc
[13:10:00] <heathmanc> but has many other times
[13:10:29] <heathmanc> have tried 1gb, 4gb ram.. running from CF card, SATA drive
[13:10:51] <pcw_home> none of that should matter
[13:10:58] <heathmanc> 3 power supplies
[13:11:35] <CaptHindsight> if it "hasn't rebooted while running Linuxcnc", what did make it reboot "many other times"?
[13:12:00] <heathmanc> oh, compiling linuxcnc, browsing the web
[13:12:16] <heathmanc> and choosing a config when first starting linuxcnc, instead of pointing it at one
[13:13:09] <heathmanc> the latency test is great, never above about 4200
[13:13:16] <CaptHindsight> how can it not reboot while running Linuxcnc and then also reboot when running Linuxcnc? What are you really trying to say?
[13:14:22] <heathmanc> If i open up linuxcnc without a config, it pops up a screen to choose one, it has rebooted on me at that point
[13:15:10] <heathmanc> the very moment when I click ok is when it has happened
[13:15:15] <heathmanc> this isn't related to linuxcnc as it does it other times
[13:16:21] <IchGuckLive> heathmanc: did you plug and unplag a usb divice while latency testing try this
[13:17:25] <heathmanc> I haven't, but I'm not concerned with the latency at this point, the rebooting is an issue
[13:17:54] <heathmanc> my other machine with the 5i20 in it is rock solid
[13:18:03] <IchGuckLive> i think there is a .ko file in the memory that prevents rebooting
[13:18:18] <heathmanc> it's not really a reboot, it is a reset
[13:18:36] <heathmanc> screen blanks, bios post comes up
[13:20:39] <IchGuckLive> maybe its te Heat ;-)
[13:21:45] <CaptHindsight> time to start logging and check the logs
[13:23:05] <heathmanc> cpu never gets above 105F, system temp of 110F
[13:23:12] <IchGuckLive> heathmanc: so why woudt you like to rset when all is ok
[13:23:39] <IchGuckLive> or even reboot once every week
[13:23:42] <heathmanc> I don't understand what you're asking. It is random, just resets on it's own
[13:24:14] <IchGuckLive> oh then the board is the issue
[13:26:11] <IchGuckLive> reset only appears when ground hits the supply
[13:26:12] <IchGuckLive> or all power on the board goes beond 500mA
[13:26:16] <IchGuckLive> dont use boardpower for the mashine use external
[13:26:26] <heathmanc> not so sure, i beat the crap out of it with windows xp for several hours earlier with no issue
[13:26:39] <heathmanc> it is external power, an allen bradley 12v supply
[13:27:20] <IchGuckLive> how shoudt the livecd reset the board
[13:28:53] <IchGuckLive> let run glxgears on 3 terminals without any other Gui and see if it happens again
[13:29:03] <CaptHindsight> checksum the Linuxnc ISO, check the kernel and other logs, run memtest, underclock etc etc
[13:29:10] <heathmanc> it has
[13:29:18] <heathmanc> can't underclock in the bios
[13:29:34] <heathmanc> haven't found anything in the logs
[13:29:38] <IchGuckLive> single CPU
[13:29:39] <heathmanc> haven't run a checksum
[13:30:39] <IchGuckLive> you need to get only 1 core otherwise the 2nd will confuse the kernal
[13:31:44] <CaptHindsight> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[13:33:00] <heathmanc> memtest was good, ran for 3.5 horus
[13:33:02] <heathmanc> hours even..
[13:33:14] <heathmanc> i can't make the reset happen, it is random
[13:33:36] <CaptHindsight> fun
[13:33:45] <IchGuckLive> is multicore deactivated in bios
[13:33:55] <CaptHindsight> try all the usual, swap parts
[13:34:05] <IchGuckLive> multitasking
[13:34:15] <IchGuckLive> also no sound
[13:34:28] <heathmanc> it's an industrial board, no sound
[13:34:35] <heathmanc> i have swapped as much as I can at this point
[13:34:53] <heathmanc> going to play with it some more
[13:35:16] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[13:36:47] <R2E4> filter for removing moisture in air line, has a drain on bottom. Air is escaping. IS the complete filter scrap or how does this air filter work? Anyone familiar with these?
[13:40:25] <mozmck> Sounds like a water separator? Did you tighten the drain? I think there are all different constructions of them.
[13:41:12] <mozmck> You might have a bad gasket or any number of things I guess.
[13:43:24] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/7i77/brfilter.jpg
[13:43:44] <R2E4> air is coming out of the bottom drain tube.
[13:44:26] <Jymmm> R2E4: is the valve cock closed?
[13:44:30] <mozmck> Your picture is rather bad - there should be some sort of valve for the drain.
[13:44:35] <R2E4> yeah I know what you mean, usually that is a drain with a valve to close. Its used to drain the water from the glase.
[13:45:17] <zeeshan|2> that valve i think is held closed under pressure
[13:45:48] <zeeshan|2> so when you drain your air tank and pressure drops i think below 15psi, it opens and releases storedwater
[13:46:21] <zeeshan|2> if the valve is rusted/blocked or spring failed itll permanently stay open
[13:46:44] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/7i77/brfilter2.jpg
[13:47:27] <R2E4> thats probably the problem. I have to wait till I get there. My accociate is trying to run the Bridgeport and no air to set the brake on the spindle....haha
[13:47:33] <mozmck> that could be - I haven't seen one like that but it would make sense. I wouldn't scrap the thing for sure though. Either find parts to fix the pressure valve or put a manual one on.
[13:47:55] <R2E4> That fileter is from 1985, so guess shouldnt complain about it breaking now.
[13:49:54] <heathmanc> so, have only one core going now, 2 glxgears, a 4gb download
[13:50:03] <heathmanc> and some gcode simulating
[13:50:14] <heathmanc> and the latency test open.. so far max of 4177
[13:50:17] <heathmanc> and no reboot
[13:50:36] <R2E4> damn, what kind of motherboard?
[13:50:41] <R2E4> 4177 is good
[13:50:51] <heathmanc> it is an adlink industrial single board computer
[13:51:26] <R2E4> +
[13:52:20] <R2E4> what zeeshan2 said I think is the problem. I told my accociate to block the drain tube and it should work. I will look at it when I get there tonight. I have a brand new one in a box at the shop.
[14:05:10] <heathmanc> still going, maybe disabling the other core is the answer
[14:22:37] <CaptHindsight> kernel boot parameter to GRUB: "isolcpus=1"
[14:23:12] <CaptHindsight> you shouldn't have to disable a core in the BIOS
[14:29:57] <heathmanc> didn't work anyhow
[14:30:11] <heathmanc> it just reset about 5 minutes ago
[14:30:23] <heathmanc> but, I am leaning towards a power supply
[14:30:38] <heathmanc> just looked at the 3 that I used, 12v rail only puts out about 5 amps
[14:30:52] <heathmanc> getting ready to hack an atx supply
[14:33:23] <R2E4> where's xf86Config
[14:33:28] <R2E4> somebody moved it
[14:37:28] <heathmanc> lol
[14:38:12] <R2E4> When did they do that? lol
[14:39:33] <heathmanc> should be an issue with the power supplies as the board at 100% only draws 33 watts
[14:39:45] <heathmanc> no drives attached, just a CF card
[14:39:53] <heathmanc> but we'll see.. got a big supply on it now
[14:40:02] <heathmanc> running 4 glxgears
[14:40:07] <heathmanc> a gb download
[14:40:11] <heathmanc> 4gb
[14:40:17] <heathmanc> and the latency test
[14:40:29] <heathmanc> if this thing resets, there is a chance I will chuck it out into the cold night
[14:43:55] <R2E4> IS it nite there?
[14:44:49] <pcw_home> other things to try are different video drivers (and maybe 12.04)
[14:47:56] <heathmanc> I am in england, 8:30pm
[14:48:13] <heathmanc> i may give 12.04 a go if this doesn't work
[14:48:17] <heathmanc> so far so good
[14:48:28] <heathmanc> opened a 5th glxgears
[14:49:03] <heathmanc> the board uses an intel video card, never had an issue with ubuntu and intel graphics
[14:49:46] <R2E4> Mine has a nvidia in it and the gui locks up, linux is still running though.
[14:50:09] <heathmanc> been there, done that
[15:03:34] <uw> german humor
http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef0120a8b86eae970b-800wi
[15:03:39] <uw> spoiler: it's not funny
[15:07:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTWFWh1x-yo Viper Pro SLA I haven't looked at these in a while. They use Canon Galvos
[15:08:02] <CaptHindsight> I'm surprised by slowly the wiper moves
[15:09:40] <uw> excellent montage music
[15:11:56] <heathmanc_> Still going strong
[15:12:14] <CaptHindsight> fickle supply?
[15:12:26] <heathmanc_> getting ready to recompile and see what happens. twice when it has reset, it has corrupted my CF card
[15:12:36] <heathmanc_> Seems that way, got a big atx on it now
[15:13:51] <CaptHindsight> try running Stress as well
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/stress.1.html
[15:14:01] <heathmanc_> was trying to get away from using it
[15:14:15] <CaptHindsight> but a nice big compile should do it
[15:15:21] <heathmanc_> I will try the stress after these dependencies get done downloading
[15:15:22] <heathmanc_> I live in the sticks out here and the internet is nice and slow
[15:19:20] <heathmanc_> now if i could just get my serial touchscreen to work
[15:22:34] <heathmanc_> PCW: How do we go about getting that typo fixed for the future?
[15:33:01] <PCW> needs to get pushed, micges can do it when he has time
[15:45:22] <micges> PCW: what's about?
[15:51:56] <micges> heathmanc_: hi
[15:54:47] <micges> heathmanc_: what typo?
[15:55:22] <heathmanc_> in the hm2_pci file for the 4i69 card
[15:57:39] <heathmanc_> [ 2964.623920] hm2/hm2_4i69.0: board has FPGA '6slx25fg256', but the firmware in hm2/4i69/SV12.BIT is for FPGA '6slx25ftg256'
[15:57:39] <heathmanc_> it is missing the "t" in two places
[15:57:49] <heathmanc_> on two lines I should say
[15:59:03] <micges> ah
[15:59:09] <micges> 2.5.3?
[16:00:28] <heathmanc_> yes
[16:01:06] <micges> ok
[16:03:47] <PCW> micges: 3 week uptime for hm2_eth
[16:04:25] <micges> that's very good, still looking for wd bug
[16:05:55] <PCW> yeah its funny that its config dependent
[16:05:56] <PCW> do you have a config that fails?
[16:09:04] <micges> PCW: I think not, send me
[16:10:10] <PCW> Do you have a 7I80 HD?
[16:10:36] <micges> yes
[16:10:57] <PCW> I think the simple ones fail (svst4_8 for example)
[16:11:54] <PCW> (same problem samco had)
[16:12:25] <PCW> fancy ones like 7i76e with sserial worked ok
[16:13:31] <micges> that;s clue, I've mostly tested driver on 7i80DB
[16:14:29] <PCW> and most 7i80db configs are fancy
[16:23:10] <heathmanc_> here's goes nothing, compiling take 3, no whammies
[16:31:16] <Deejay> gn8
[16:34:58] <heathmanc_> well, it works.
[16:35:26] <heathmanc_> now to sort out the pin mess.
[16:40:03] <heathmanc_> would have been so much easier to start with a 4i65
[17:03:34] <CaptHindsight> PCW: looks like Allwinner is making their own boards now as well
http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/10/a80-optimusboard-features-allwinner-octa-core-big-little-soc/#comment-147660
[17:06:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.1pad.cn/38120/
[17:07:24] <andypugh> I am still liking that the Udoo has 72 holes you can poke a wire in and see/write in software.
[17:13:44] <CaptHindsight> the imx6 price difference between the single and quad core is only ~$10 yet Udoo decided on charging $35 more (with a SATA conn)
[17:14:15] <CaptHindsight> oh plus a wifi
[17:15:21] <CaptHindsight> http://shop.udoo.org/usa/?___from_store=usa&popup=no
[17:34:43] <CaptHindsight> http://udoo.org/download/files/pinout/Udoo_pinout_diagram.pdf http://udoo.org/download/files/pinout/UDOO_pinout_alternate_table.pdf they did bring out SPI to the GPIO connectors
[17:35:10] <CaptHindsight> http://udoo.org/download/files/schematics/UDOO_REV_D_schematics.pdf
[18:04:05] <andypugh> The lathe stand is nearly done :-)
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FJ3rEEoGjIQUciYw0YfNg9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:09:07] <Tom_itx> ooo isn't that pretty
[18:09:33] <Tom_itx> did you oil it or urethane it?
[18:09:38] <andypugh> Shellac
[18:10:09] <jdh> won't you get chips all over the carpet?
[18:10:34] <andypugh> I intend to swap the carpet for laminate
[18:10:52] <andypugh> (The carpet is dead)
[18:11:24] <andypugh> The finish is the "Marie Curie" finish (French Polish)
[18:13:25] <JT-Shop> andypugh, beautiful work man
[18:14:20] <Tom_itx> how many hours you got in that now?
[18:14:48] <andypugh> I hate to think. Hundreds.
[18:14:58] <Tom_itx> it's hiding a hole in the wall
[18:15:15] <andypugh> Yeah, I ripped out the fireplace :-)
[18:15:19] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:15:31] <andypugh> (only a frontage with an electric fake-fire in it)
[18:15:46] <andypugh> Actually, it is probably about 100 hours.
[18:16:13] <andypugh> 8 full days over christmas and evenings since.
[18:17:49] <Tom_itx> well you can't buy one at ikea
[18:19:51] <andypugh> The problem is that the lathe is going to look rather scruffy when I fit it :-)
[18:20:07] <Tom_itx> guess you know what to do about that
[18:20:26] <andypugh> Need to learn how to do frosting :-)
[18:20:49] <Tom_itx> and what is that?
[18:20:55] <Tom_itx> learning all sorts of new terms here
[18:24:00] <andypugh> It's the pretty pattern on the bed here:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett/img7.jpg
[18:26:43] <Tom_itx> kinda what i thought it was
[18:28:28] <PCW> wouldn't want it use it and wear it off
[18:32:33] <atom1> PCW, what board do you add to the firmware.txt for the 5i20... i20_400 ?
[18:32:50] <atom1> for the 9.2 webpack stuff...
[18:33:07] <PCW> firmware.txt?
[18:33:34] <atom1> the build_bit.sh reads that file
[18:33:43] <atom1> and builds those bit files listed
[18:33:56] <atom1> i43_400 SVST2_4_7I47
[18:34:02] <atom1> that's what i had for mine
[18:34:22] <PCW> dont know
[18:34:41] <atom1> how do you build them with 9.2?
[18:34:58] <andypugh> I think that the LinuxCNC Hostmot2 build environment differs from the Mesa one
[18:35:37] <PCW> it thats just including the card stuff the file included is i20card.vhd
[18:36:56] <micges> atom1: -i20 SV12 SVST2_4_7I47 SVST2_8 SVST8_4 SVST8_4IM2 SVST8_3P SV12IM_2X7I48_72 SV12_2X7I48_72 TPEN6_6 SVTP6_7I39
[18:37:25] <atom1> that will build several
[18:37:27] <micges> atom1: just delete bit files you don't need
[18:37:32] <atom1> yeah
[18:37:57] <atom1> you don't need to specify the 200 400 gate part?
[18:38:09] <andypugh> Yes, you very much do need that
[18:38:28] <andypugh> (For cards where it is ambiguous)
[18:38:31] <micges> atom1: nope with 5i20
[18:38:41] <atom1> k
[18:38:48] <atom1> i knew you did with mine
[18:38:55] <atom1> 7i43
[18:39:32] <atom1> it's just been a long time since i've built one with 9.2
[18:41:17] <micges> I have env ready, it can be hard time to setup any webpack to compile mesa stuff
[18:41:39] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx_install_index.php
[18:41:46] <atom1> i wrote that when i did it the first time
[18:43:19] <PCW> 5i20 only comes in one FPGA size
[18:43:54] <micges> seems usefull, worth to put on wiki, many have problems with webpacks
[18:44:09] <atom1> there's also one for 14
[18:44:28] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[19:18:45] <Tom_itx> ok i think i got it set up again
[19:22:13] <Tom_itx> PCW do you optimize for speed in 9.2 as well?
[19:23:26] <PCW> Yes (mostly) some things are close to the limit and need to be optimized for area
[19:24:04] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:24:22] <Tom_itx> seem to have both environments back working again
[20:52:37] <Tom_itx> PCW do you know which boards you would build with 9.2?
[20:53:14] <PCW> only the Spartan2 boards (5I20,4I65)
[20:53:37] <Tom_itx> what about 7i43?
[20:54:10] <Tom_itx> i thought i used 9.2 once for it but maybe not
[21:09:38] <PCW> You should be able to use anything though latest is better usually
[21:20:35] <lwizardl> hell
[21:20:37] <lwizardl> hello
[21:47:39] <lwizardl> I was wondering if taking an old inkjet printer apart if I could reuse the hardware to move a webcam or base for a 3d scanner
[21:48:46] <eric_unterhausen> depends on the printer
[21:48:54] <eric_unterhausen> generally, the older, the better the parts
[21:49:51] <eric_unterhausen> if you can find an old plotter, those were good
[21:51:07] <lwizardl> well I have a HP Laserjet 4, a few old HP inkjets, a epson AIO
[21:51:14] <lwizardl> and a few brothers
[21:51:46] <lwizardl> I have 2 old plotter/printers but those I want to repair
[21:54:03] <lwizardl> hmm this is one of the printers I have
http://breakingyard.blogspot.com/2008/07/lexmark-z1300-printer.html
[21:55:13] <CaptHindsight> those are pretty small printers
[21:56:01] <cradek> the original hp deskjets had a nice dc motor with encoder, and a belt to move the head
[21:56:07] <lwizardl> yeah it was free and it works just the ink usage is terrible
[21:56:43] <cradek> they are very hard to disassemble until you know the trick: hold it as far over your head as possible, and accelerate downward quickly
[21:57:09] <CaptHindsight> aqueous ink is ~$5/L
[21:57:19] <lwizardl> like maybe 75-100 sheets before its time to replace on it. since I use a epson for my color prints and a lexmark laser for text only I dont need the others
[22:00:19] <CaptHindsight> http://refillbay.com/product/1-gallon-bulk-ink-for-epson-printer-cartridges-yellow.php?ref=ADWPR&gclid=CNHm8K-lhLwCFQISMwod0woAVA you can even buy bulk gallons for ~$70
[22:01:01] <lwizardl> nice
[22:01:29] <lwizardl> I will have to see if that ink will working in my inkjet. I have an epson r320 for my main color prints
[22:01:57] <CaptHindsight> the trick with Epson is resetting the cartridge
[22:03:03] <CaptHindsight> 6 colors (CcMmYK)
[22:03:20] <CaptHindsight> you also need to filter to <10um
[22:03:42] <lwizardl> I have the aftermarket carts in mine.
[22:04:09] <lwizardl> I plan to buy the refill tube versions. i found them on ebay for about $30
[22:04:27] <lwizardl> so then I can just keep refilling the bottle that is attached
[22:05:21] <CaptHindsight> bulk ink kits, yes they just modify the cartridges with tubing and have a reset feature
[22:06:52] <Tom_itx> ok i updated the xilinx 9.2 page a bit
[22:06:58] <CaptHindsight> just be sure to filter\
[22:07:00] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx92_install_index.php
[22:09:08] <lwizardl> these look similar to thes I bought.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Pack-T048-Non-OEM-Ink-For-Epson-Stylus-Photo-R200-R220-R300-R300M-R320-/121065262723?pt=US_Ink_Cartridges&hash=item1c300d4e83
[22:09:33] <lwizardl> I only paid $7 for a full set of ink on mine and have printed lots of dvd covers so far
[22:09:56] <lwizardl> and this is the CIS upgrade I plan to buy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Continuous-ink-system-for-Epson-R200-R220-R300-R320-/400153994845?pt=US_Ink_Cartridges&hash=item5d2b09665d
[22:37:00] <lwizardl> I want to build a 3D scanner using the maker software and ws wondering if I could use the parts from the extra printers I have and plan to trash them if I could reuse the parts to help with making it more of a complete system
[22:53:06] <tjtr33> andypugh, the finish on the Rivett is beautiful, not the scraped flaking i'm familiar with (twist the scraper), more like flaking (straight pushes, alternating rows of 90 degrees).
[22:53:12] <tjtr33> what you have is really pretty tho, like chemical crystaline patterns.
[22:53:13] <tjtr33> dont go deeper than your wipers can handle!
[22:55:08] <tjtr33> the US mint does laser frosting on coin dies, varying the pattern on different areas
