#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-01-15

[01:21:04] <anonimasu> morning.
[02:03:08] <Deejay> moin
[08:19:00] <Tom_itx> linuxcnc must be running smooth everywhere today
[08:24:46] <archivist> not running here... need material
[08:27:57] <archivist> but I might be able to get more systems up, just fetched a 99 pence fleabay win of 13 PCs, ex internet cafe could be all dead at that price
[08:28:39] <jdh> hopefully no shipping?
[08:28:57] <archivist> I had to fetch
[08:43:05] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/panel2.JPG http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/panel1.JPG Panel almost completed.
[08:43:41] <jthornton> wow, using a dictionary in python reduced my code from >1500 lines to < 200
[08:44:33] <R2E4> Whats left is encoders, servos and olc, waiting for 7i85 to come in.
[08:45:31] <archivist> too tidy error, will be too easy to fix :)
[08:45:43] <R2E4> jthornton: Are you BigJohnT on the forums?
[08:46:03] <archivist> no he has lost weight
[08:46:07] <R2E4> All the inputs and relays
[08:46:19] <R2E4> working and tested with LinuxCNC
[08:46:31] <jthornton> aye
[08:46:43] <jthornton> I'm MediumJohnT now
[08:46:59] <R2E4> Soon to be cutting wires and interfacing.
[08:47:23] * jthornton heads for the shop to start a fire
[08:47:49] <R2E4> Your shop on wood power?
[08:49:06] <R2E4> I WOOD upgrade that to electrical power. Just put a huge power supply in there with a 2ohm resistor as the load......
[08:49:58] <R2E4> archivist: Hopefully no troubleshooting required, at least for a while....
[08:50:13] <mozmck> I wood not consider that an upgrade.
[08:51:09] <archivist> jokes are a bit wooden today....groan
[08:51:38] <R2E4> yeah, very grainy...
[08:52:47] <JT-Shop> lol
[08:57:06] <Loetmichel> *GNAH* wife-> orange juice -> extension plug strip-> rcd tripping :-(
[08:58:34] <R2E4> net wife-out Null.0.1 <= wife-voice.in-00
[09:22:28] <Jymmm> R2E4 Going Celibate I see.
[10:26:53] <JT-Shop> anyone know of any gotchas running a pick and place using UVW axes? The pick and place does not move when the XYZ axes are moving.
[10:27:15] <JT-Shop> so the pick and place would just run a subroutine between the machine making parts
[10:28:36] <archivist> dont know enough methinks
[10:30:12] <JT-Shop> 5i20 7i47 7i37
[10:31:07] <archivist> but I do know enough to try something before saying it cant be done
[10:32:25] <archivist> the first PC off the pile that looked complete enough is loading 10.04 onto the hard disk :)
[10:32:50] <archivist> well worth the pound for the lot
[10:32:55] <pcw_home> xyz and rotation make sense not sure what more is needed unless you are assy-ing 3D circuits
[10:33:47] <pcw_home> (or 3D something)
[10:34:26] <archivist> are they using xyC to get the pcb in the right place then uvw for the part handling?
[10:36:17] <JT-Shop> it's a pick and place to feed a xya machine actually
[10:47:59] <R2E4> Wheres the sim configs? Trying to find to run it on machine for testing.
[10:52:25] <JT-Shop> CNC > LinuxCNC drill down to sim
[11:07:16] <JT-Shop> pcw is it possible for a daughter card to a 5i20 to cause LinuxCNC to lock up?
[11:13:04] <pcw_home> Maybe if it shorts out the 5V power
[11:15:06] <JT-Shop> ok thanks, I have a guy that says he is having a lot of problems with crashing, locking up and he has a 5i20, 7i47, 7i37
[11:15:18] <pcw_home> or you short enough FPGA outputs (wrong daughtercard /connector for config, backwards connector) so you lose 3.3V
[11:15:41] <pcw_home> but those are fairly unlikely
[11:17:01] <JT-Shop> thanks
[11:17:08] <pcw_home> Its this an otherwise working setup?
[11:18:02] <R2E4> My GUI is locking up. I think its the driver for nvida card though.
[11:18:19] <R2E4> Nothing in the logs
[11:30:32] <JT-Shop> pcw_home, yes
[11:34:48] <pcw_home> JT-Shop unfortunately, Could be anything (bad memory, dirty PCI contacts, bad 5I20, bad motherboard etc)
[11:35:31] <archivist> fire the pc up with less in it
[11:36:39] <zeeshan|2> can anyone recommend a cheap touch screen :D
[11:36:53] <JT-Shop> pcw_home, thanks
[11:38:12] <R2E4> This is the cheapest I found. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8520230&CatId=1449
[11:38:39] <zeeshan|2> sweetr
[11:38:42] <zeeshan|2> thats local to me too
[11:38:51] <R2E4> You in Toronto?
[11:38:55] <zeeshan|2> hamilton
[11:39:02] <R2E4> AH! I'm in Montreal
[11:39:02] <zeeshan|2> closest tigerdirect is in burlington for me
[11:39:03] <zeeshan|2> like 20 min
[11:39:31] <zeeshan|2> btw i like your wiring job!
[11:39:33] <R2E4> Call before, cause sometimes they dont have the same stuff on the shelf that they do on the web.
[11:39:46] <zeeshan|2> looks very similar to wiring for big enclosures we did at eaton
[11:39:59] <jdh> we have some eaton stuff
[11:40:04] <R2E4> I use to frequent the on in sherwood gardins in Mississauga
[11:40:15] <R2E4> zeeshan|2: thanks
[11:40:22] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[11:40:31] <zeeshan|2> stay in montreal, its better
[11:40:40] <zeeshan|2> i miss living in ottawa, used to go to montreal almost every other weekend
[11:41:02] <R2E4> Sales Tax is nuts here. Up to 15%
[11:41:08] <zeeshan|2> :{
[11:41:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: what size touchscreens?
[11:41:19] <R2E4> I dont know if the usb interface will work with Linux
[11:41:31] <zeeshan|2> 15" is more than enough
[11:42:01] <CaptHindsight> you can buy 10" tablets for $100
[11:42:21] <zeeshan|2> with vga/dvi input?
[11:42:33] <CaptHindsight> have to start using them as remote displays over IP
[11:42:48] <zeeshan|2> jdg: what eaton stuff?
[11:42:50] <zeeshan|2> jdh
[11:42:53] <CaptHindsight> wouldn't be fast enough for gaming
[11:42:58] <zeeshan|2> we were building mostly switchgear
[11:42:59] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zpsde82b15a.jpg
[11:43:33] <jdh> mini stackers
[11:43:54] <zeeshan|2> i love how much coppy gets used
[11:43:55] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zpsc0883b70.jpg
[11:44:23] <R2E4> What size is that tranny?
[11:44:49] <R2E4> 600=>220 100A something like that?
[11:45:03] <zeeshan|2> depends theres different sections
[11:45:14] <zeeshan|2> those big ass breakers are 4000A breakers
[11:45:40] <zeeshan|2> but then the smaller distribution panels are usually 600A
[11:45:40] <R2E4> that would be plenty for my shop....:-)
[11:46:03] <jdh> I'd be happy with one 60A circuit
[11:46:04] <zeeshan|2> when i was working there for co-op, i always laughed at the size of the breakers
[11:46:11] <zeeshan|2> like a 4000A breaker weighs close to 500lb
[11:46:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[11:46:41] <R2E4> Does it use hydraulics to switch it? lol
[11:47:11] <CaptHindsight> some you have to pump up
[11:47:21] <CaptHindsight> they use pneumatics
[11:47:37] <zeeshan|2> yes pneumatics
[11:47:43] <archivist> and some serious springs
[11:48:14] <CaptHindsight> always look away when switching
[11:49:32] <R2E4> I shorted one leg 600v 3 ph entry direct to ground.... spark flame shot out ot the switch....
[11:49:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/23-16-9-Overlay-Touch-Screen-Convert-Any-Non-Touch-Monitor-To-Touch-Screen-/251422755397
[11:49:55] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: youre lucky it didnt blow up!
[11:49:56] <zeeshan|2> :P
[11:50:01] <zeeshan|2> means it was designed right
[11:50:16] <zeeshan|2> like they basically reroute the plasma gas through differnt ports
[11:50:18] <zeeshan|2> to relieve pressure
[11:50:22] <R2E4> square D
[11:50:27] <CaptHindsight> that's why you always look away from the switchgear
[11:50:42] <CaptHindsight> so when boom you don't go blind
[11:50:55] <zeeshan|2> looking away isnt going to stop the rest of your body from getting burnt and impregnated with metal pieces
[11:50:56] <zeeshan|2> :P
[11:51:06] <R2E4> was only 200A with a fuse on each leg
[11:51:17] <zeeshan|2> when they were doing short circuit testing on the 4000A enclosures
[11:51:27] <zeeshan|2> the ensutre 80lb door flew off
[11:51:31] <zeeshan|2> *enclosure
[11:51:39] <CaptHindsight> just a precaution, the safest way is get someone else to pull the handle
[11:51:48] <zeeshan|2> hahaha!
[11:52:38] <zeeshan|2> i miss working at eaton!
[11:52:50] <zeeshan|2> during my co-op, my boss hooked me up with 4 free vfds
[11:53:01] <R2E4> CaptHindsight: would that work in Linux? IT says it supports windows7...
[11:53:02] <zeeshan|2> and tons of control switches
[11:54:02] <CaptHindsight> http://stores.ebay.com/DigiADS/DigiTOUCH-Overlay-Screens-/_i.html?_fsub=5741879015
[11:54:24] <CaptHindsight> R2E4: I'll check the controller, they might if they use standard HID
[11:54:44] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: thats kinda expensive for an overlay
[11:55:19] <R2E4> IT says it supports Linux
[11:55:40] <zeeshan|2> ill just stick to my keyboard and mouse for now
[11:55:41] <zeeshan|2> :)
[11:56:01] <CaptHindsight> the parts out of ShenZhen are cheap
[11:56:31] <zeeshan|2> you guys order anything from automationtechnologies aka kelinginc
[11:56:35] <R2E4> a touchscreen would be nice revamping this... http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/IMG_0403.JPG.....
[11:56:36] <zeeshan|2> typically how long does it take
[11:56:44] <zeeshan|2> i've been waiting for 3 weeks for some steppers and drivers
[11:56:47] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: yes, he is nearby me
[11:56:52] <R2E4> Kelinginc is fast.
[11:57:11] <CaptHindsight> they ship same day or I can also pickup
[11:57:17] <zeeshan|2> ah.
[11:57:25] <zeeshan|2> i'm in canada so maybe thats why
[11:57:25] <CaptHindsight> I'd call if you haven't seen the parts yet
[11:57:35] <R2E4> Probably caught at the border. I bought my steppers and PS from him. Were here in two weeks.
[11:57:45] <CaptHindsight> nope, there are boxes by the door everyday to everywhere in the world
[11:57:54] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: i ordered around dec 20
[11:58:01] <zeeshan|2> so i thjink it might have gotten owned in the backlog.
[11:58:07] <CaptHindsight> did they already ship with tracking number?
[11:58:15] <zeeshan|2> he never sent me a tracking number
[11:58:21] <CaptHindsight> I'd call
[11:58:21] <R2E4> Something wrong then cause i have quite a few orders with them and they were allways pretty fast.
[11:58:39] <CaptHindsight> his wife will probably answer the phone
[11:58:42] <zeeshan|2> cause on their website they don't have a shipping option for canada, you have to manually email and then pay a paypal invoice
[11:59:08] <CaptHindsight> I might stop by there tomorrow
[11:59:19] <zeeshan|2> you're lucky its local
[11:59:26] <zeeshan|2> you dont have to pay 128$ in shipping!
[12:00:49] <R2E4> I just bought a card from mesa, 84.00 and the shipping is 92.00
[12:00:59] <zeeshan|2> haha wtf
[12:01:01] <R2E4> Plus customs and tax
[12:01:03] <CaptHindsight> to cananda?
[12:01:07] <R2E4> yes
[12:01:11] <CaptHindsight> oh probably customs
[12:01:21] <R2E4> no, customs comes after
[12:01:28] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: you building a fancy cnc system?
[12:01:46] <R2E4> shipping was 92.00 marked right on the packing slip
[12:02:43] <CaptHindsight> Fedex Next Day Urgent?
[12:02:51] <CaptHindsight> before 7am :)
[12:03:08] <R2E4> already built this one,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadI53SivOg and am working on retrofitting a VMC hitachi seiki.
[12:03:15] <CaptHindsight> we once had them show up before the building was open
[12:03:18] <R2E4> I selected ground
[12:03:46] <R2E4> Some reason they sent fed ex priority
[12:03:50] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: where is your quebec access
[12:03:51] <zeeshan|2> *accent
[12:03:52] <zeeshan|2> :D
[12:04:03] <CaptHindsight> R2E4: I ship from Chicago to Canada all the time. Are you in a remote area?
[12:04:34] <R2E4> esti TBK..... right there!!
[12:04:51] <zeeshan|2> no wonder you need so many i/o
[12:04:51] <R2E4> not remote at all. Montreal
[12:04:58] <zeeshan|2> i love vmc's
[12:05:17] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:05:22] <zeeshan|2> at another co-op job at gates canada they were using 2 vm40s
[12:05:41] <zeeshan|2> for one step of the manufacturing process of facing f150 transmission pump casings
[12:05:56] <R2E4> thats what I am retrofitting. Hitachi Seiki VM40
[12:06:13] <zeeshan|2> a machine for yourself?
[12:06:15] <zeeshan|2> or for someone else
[12:06:20] <zeeshan|2> they're expensive machines!
[12:06:21] <R2E4> yes, for me.
[12:06:43] <pcw_home> we will look into what happened with the shipping
[12:06:43] <zeeshan|2> you have 600V at your place?
[12:06:54] <IchGuckLive> hitatchi got most omron parts inside
[12:07:05] <R2E4> I got this one for 6,000.00 too much. The controller was suppose to work but when I powered up it had bad memory board.
[12:07:16] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: damn that's cheap
[12:07:23] <zeeshan|2> theyre usually around 20k last time i checked?
[12:07:31] <R2E4> Yes, thats where I shorted the switch....hehe
[12:08:39] <R2E4> Come to Montreal and you can help me convert it....:-)
[12:08:48] <zeeshan|2> :)
[12:09:09] <R2E4> Then you can use it..... free CNC time is rare......
[12:09:13] <zeeshan|2> school keeps me busy :(
[12:10:44] <R2E4> That panel you saw the wiring is what is going inthe VM40.
[12:11:20] <zeeshan|2> i forget on the vm40
[12:11:26] <zeeshan|2> the drive spindle is a servo right?
[12:11:38] <zeeshan|2> powered by a servo i mean
[12:11:43] <zeeshan|2> so you can index it
[12:11:48] <R2E4> Yeah, fanuc servo amp
[12:12:10] <R2E4> Yes
[12:12:18] <zeeshan|2> cause we had a conveyor going into the machine
[12:12:27] <zeeshan|2> and from what i remember the vm40 was picking and placing parts into jigs.
[12:12:56] <zeeshan|2> that's awesome.
[12:13:06] <R2E4> IT has a chip conveyor......, but their are options for pallet changer that does that.
[12:14:07] <zeeshan|2> you will have one hell of a beast when it's all running
[12:15:11] <R2E4> Yeah, I did a Bridgeport CNC also...... That is working with all original controller/drives..... from 1985... Works fantastic, drip feeding and the whole deal.
[12:16:20] <zeeshan|2> im working on converting my lathe first
[12:16:24] <zeeshan|2> and then the bridgeport clone
[12:17:04] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zps1f93328f.jpg
[12:17:09] <zeeshan|2> that thing
[12:17:25] <zeeshan|2> and im definitely moving that vfd enclosure somewhere else when it's converted :P
[12:17:43] <R2E4> Cool, J-head
[12:17:50] <zeeshan|2> yea no need for a gear head
[12:17:59] <zeeshan|2> VFD power!
[12:18:07] <R2E4> That looks like it has a cancer growing on the side of the head...
[12:18:15] <zeeshan|2> a big tumor.
[12:18:45] <zeeshan|2> i was so sick of lifting that 70lb motor up and down
[12:18:51] <R2E4> Here's my shop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciw-_gXZPXw
[12:18:53] <zeeshan|2> i got lazy when mounting the box
[12:19:23] <zeeshan|2> very nice!
[12:19:25] <R2E4> ITs a hobby right now. I have a day job working at Ingersoll Rand
[12:19:35] <zeeshan|2> are you renting a place?
[12:19:45] <zeeshan|2> to house all your hobby toys
[12:19:51] <R2E4> Yeah, that garage is 900.00
[12:19:56] <zeeshan|2> not bad.
[12:20:14] <zeeshan|2> my shop is in my house 20x20 garage
[12:20:41] <zeeshan|2> i'm doing my masters so this stuff gets me money on the side :)
[12:20:43] <archivist> in the house :)
[12:20:47] <R2E4> I am doing wood projects to pay the rent
[12:20:53] <zeeshan|2> those signs look fancy.
[12:21:35] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/B8AC3471-FC10-4F27-8F5A-BC4946A299CB-3548-00000355621CF915_zpsd2470da0.jpg
[12:21:42] <R2E4> I'm building urns now, have a contract for 300.
[12:21:49] <zeeshan|2> i do lots of stainless/aluminum piping work for cars
[12:22:18] <zeeshan|2> that's cool!
[12:22:25] <R2E4> wow..... thats nice. i am building a lotus7 and need your hands....hehe
[12:22:40] <R2E4> to weld my chassis
[12:22:48] <zeeshan|2> dom steel or chromoly?
[12:22:55] <R2E4> steel
[12:22:58] <zeeshan|2> good!
[12:23:01] <R2E4> 1" tubing
[12:23:02] <zeeshan|2> that's so much easier to weld
[12:24:15] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: i don't know if you've notched tubing before
[12:24:37] <zeeshan|2> but check this out
[12:24:38] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/1BAFCAC1-EE1B-4C6D-B9A5-D9ACDA2A9611-28590-000021479F2D0E8B_zps6a58d5c2.jpg
[12:24:42] <zeeshan|2> i either do that
[12:24:56] <Loetmichel> hmm
[12:24:59] <zeeshan|2> or my more favourite but time consuming way
[12:25:15] <Loetmichel> is there a soft that can cope with a 6 axis robot arm and 3dprint?
[12:25:19] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/y_zpsf45ed218.png
[12:25:26] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/sheetmetal_zps667cac4d.png
[12:25:32] <zeeshan|2> draw it in cad, flatten to sheet
[12:25:41] <zeeshan|2> print it out on a paper 1:1 scale
[12:25:50] <zeeshan|2> lay and mark the tube, and cut away :P
[12:26:03] <Loetmichel> i wanted to build a littel stepper driven six axis arm since i was a little child ;-)
[12:26:12] <Loetmichel> ... and now i have the tools to do so
[12:26:17] <Loetmichel> bit not the software
[12:26:26] <R2E4> wow, thats cool.
[12:26:40] <zeeshan|2> i had no idea how else to do that cut
[12:43:00] <skunkworks> got a breakout board to play with - came with no directions.. Devined out pretty much everything but the charge pump. Was sending it a 1-10khz signal and it would not turn on. Finally looked up what mach uses for a chargepump frequency - 12.5khz - bam - activated.
[12:43:55] <IchGuckLive> O.O ;-)
[12:48:37] <jdh> does it also have sucky optos?
[12:52:44] <R2E4> build this robot then. http://mashable.com/2014/01/14/baby-prank/
[13:06:11] <CaptHindsight> I like the guy that looks like he;s on a cleaning crew that doesn't even get phased by it. He's probably a parent
[13:06:56] <CaptHindsight> @ 1:00
[13:15:45] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[13:21:21] <PCW> R2E4: we duplicated your order and get $23.83 shipping for FedeX Ground (Fedex International economy is $92)
[13:23:47] <PCW> No idea why they call it "economy"
[13:25:50] <jdh> fedex ground is a different company, sort of.
[13:26:33] <archivist> international shipping is a bit of a lottery, I sent something to poland, UPS wanted a large amount, some other site wanted a lot less, booked them....and the UPS man came and got it
[13:28:45] <archivist> way back in 2008 the other courier was http://www.interparcel.com
[13:29:36] <jdh> UPS sucks for .us-.ca shipping
[13:30:11] <archivist> see that interpacel though, they will charge less for ups's service :)
[13:30:34] <archivist> or whoever they use on the day
[13:33:38] <CaptHindsight> we have bad luck with Fedex for everything in and out of Chicago
[13:33:42] <R2E4> UPS is the worst.... PCW: no problem.
[13:34:05] <CaptHindsight> UPS seems better east and midwest
[13:34:17] <R2E4> I wasnt complainging actually....hehe
[13:34:25] <CaptHindsight> everyone in CA complains about UPS there
[13:35:16] <CaptHindsight> USPS or EMS for flat rate international to Canada has been working pretty well
[13:35:53] <R2E4> I bought 2 420 OZ/IN steppers for 50.00 each, and ended up paying 85.00 shipping and customs then taxes.
[13:36:01] <CaptHindsight> DHL was great until about 3-4 years ago
[13:36:11] <R2E4> USPS works best, but takes longer.
[13:37:27] <CaptHindsight> I sent a few pallets to Dubai vis Fedex Air. I was treated like a child at the airport counter. Had to walk through metal detectors in and out
[13:38:15] <CaptHindsight> while I was in the terminal my sons walks up to me through the side door to hand me my keys
[13:38:25] <CaptHindsight> nothing like top notch security
[13:41:13] <CaptHindsight> Germany and France have the toughest customs requirements so far
[13:41:58] <CaptHindsight> almost everything requires extra sets of docs that were attached to the outsides of the shipments including MSDS docs
[13:42:53] <CaptHindsight> and Royal Mail loses everything for 1-2 weeks before it turns up again
[13:50:54] <jdh> someone shipped me a package via royal mail yesterday. He said it should be here in a week?
[13:58:46] <skunkworks> jdh, no clue.. good enough for the speeds I need though..
[13:59:28] <skunkworks> (opto-isololators
[13:59:41] <skunkworks> heh
[13:59:45] <skunkworks> isolators
[14:02:32] <Tom_itx> everyone must have slept in but i see they're awake now !
[14:13:54] <skunkworks> Dhl is great - I am always getting shipping notifacations...
[14:38:35] <ReadError> skunkworks, anything is better than UPS My Choice
[14:42:17] <skunkworks> (was making a joke about all the fake dhl delivery emails/viruses
[14:56:22] <Tom_itx> Fedex & UPS are merging to form a new company called FedUP
[15:05:14] <Deejay> lol
[15:06:47] <skunkworks> the frequency to voltage converter seems decent.. at exactly half the frequency - it is half the voltage
[15:17:30] <jdh> probably the same on the other side also (with a typical DVM)
[15:19:37] <jdh> the YooCNC people finally replied... no custom orders discussed until after Feb 6.
[15:34:56] <heathmanc_> You around PCW?
[15:37:54] <heathmanc> There was no bitfile attached on the last email for the 4i69-25
[15:38:28] <heathmanc> I know it probably looked odd in the email I sent you with the error. I used the original bitfile that you sent me, just renamed the file to match what I already had in a config
[16:31:11] <Deejay> gn8
[17:18:24] <PCW> heathmanc: I just re-sent the bitfile but the driver has a typo so I dont think you will get any further
[17:18:26] <PCW> without getting the linuxcnc source and patching the typo
[20:31:25] <eric_unterhausen> I guess one shouldn't expect a batch of old coots on the email list not to go off-topic
[20:32:02] <eric_unterhausen> would be nice if they would mark it OT
[20:37:18] <eric_unterhausen> toggle switches? we didn't even have wire for our wire-wrap boards
[20:37:28] <eric_unterhausen> if the pins didn't touch, it didn't go into the circuit
[20:37:51] <cradek> too bad that happens on the devel list
[20:38:13] <eric_unterhausen> true
[20:38:15] <Tom_itx> where is owhite from?
[20:38:29] <Tom_itx> was gonna offer some help and he left
[20:38:39] <eric_unterhausen> I got the impression he is in the u.s.
[20:38:48] <eric_unterhausen> forget what the 'o' stands for
[20:40:00] <eric_unterhausen> I have certain people on the email lists set up so their emails are marked as read
[20:40:18] <eric_unterhausen> I should just send them directly to the trash
[20:40:31] <skunkworks> heh
[20:45:17] <Tom_itx> are they copies of the forum or a separate discussion list?
[20:45:26] <Tom_itx> kinda glad i didn't sign up for those
[20:45:41] <eric_unterhausen> Tom, it's not that bad, it's just that some discussions are pretty annoying
[20:45:54] <Tom_itx> yeah i've been on lists before
[20:45:55] <eric_unterhausen> and the one I'm talking about had a legit beginning
[20:46:03] <Tom_itx> 98% go in the trash unread
[20:46:09] <eric_unterhausen> using gmail, you have a lot of control
[20:46:18] <eric_unterhausen> otherwise I wouldn't bother
[20:53:20] <eric_unterhausen> got an email today that indicated that someone finally read my 2 month old email
[20:53:29] <eric_unterhausen> that they had agreed with
[20:53:37] <eric_unterhausen> now it's all a problem
[21:07:51] <skunkworks> dad bought another cnc today... this model http://www.wotol.com/1-matsuura-mc500v2-3/second-hand-machinery/prod_id/86641
[21:08:09] <skunkworks> look - coolant control!
[21:08:50] <cradek> ugh, BT35
[21:08:56] <skunkworks> yah..
[21:09:05] <skunkworks> ebay
[21:09:25] <cradek> nice fast machine
[21:09:25] <eric_unterhausen> at least you have no competition for the 5 auctions of tooling a year on ebay
[21:09:37] <cradek> that's maybe 10% bigger than the MV Jr
[21:09:54] <cradek> very useful size
[21:10:32] <skunkworks> don't think it is a problem.. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR6.TRC1.A0.Xbt35&_nkw=bt35&_sacat=0&_from=R40
[21:10:39] <skunkworks> just need a bit of patience
[21:10:55] <skunkworks> 6000 rpm will be nice
[21:11:06] <cradek> oh, maybe not then
[21:11:20] <cradek> yeah that's a fine speed even for 1/4" tools
[21:11:57] <eric_unterhausen> i see that bt35 has the same annoying problem as nmtb 30
[21:12:09] <skunkworks> don't know if the control works.... but if it doesn't... Mesa!
[21:12:18] <eric_unterhausen> if you search for anything with a 30 in it, a million auctions for sandpaper come up
[21:12:36] <skunkworks> cradek: was your original control a yasnic(sp)?
[21:13:02] <cradek> yes
[21:13:27] <skunkworks> he is not sure if that is the control or not.. but that seems to be a popular one for that machine
[21:23:23] <skunkworks> cradek: what is the spindle in the jr? 30?
[21:23:31] <skunkworks> 40?
[21:23:32] <cradek> BT40
[21:23:35] <skunkworks> ah
[21:24:43] <KimK> skunkworks: Congrats! Now you'll have a machine to make (rescue) parts for the K&T. It's good to have a plan B.
[21:25:34] <skunkworks> Hey KimK - how is it going?
[21:26:06] <KimK> Oh, it's always something. You?
[21:27:21] <skunkworks> heh - busy with work and a little girl that runs now.
[21:29:15] <eric_unterhausen> the running part is great
[21:29:32] <KimK> Wow, out of her scooter basket already, nice. Hey, what's the big picture/executive summary of what's going on with the big software rewrite(s), I'm way behind on email list, etc.
[21:29:33] <eric_unterhausen> would be nice if there was some judgment regarding direction
[21:30:18] <skunkworks> heh - she does pretty good... only runs into walls some times.. (looking one way - running another)
[21:31:18] <skunkworks> KimK: I don't know. There is someone that is re-writing the trajectory planner for deeper read ahead.. I have been playing with that..
[21:32:29] <skunkworks> KimK: I guess I have also been playing with the unified build canidates (xenomai, rtpreempt) mainly testing an ethernet mesa card
[21:35:00] <Tom_itx> skunkworks have you run it on hardware yet?
[21:35:19] <KimK> Were any upgrades ever made to the rtpreemt (if that's what it was?, I remember it was "Seb's debs" at the time) that didn't install quite right for me last time I tried it? Before that, I did get the Xenomai working, but mine is probably outdated by now.
[21:36:04] <KimK> I hope to be getting back to trying the new kernels, etc. soon.
[21:36:58] <eric_unterhausen> rt-preempt is supposed to be much better now
[21:37:17] <eric_unterhausen> and the 64 bit xenomai kernels seem to be stable
[21:37:40] <eric_unterhausen> I didn't try the 64 bit RTAI
[21:38:13] <KimK> Great, good to hear. I'd like to give them all a try.
[21:39:00] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: no - I was just flashing an led with gpio... I had it working with xenomai and rtnet - but that is pretty fiddly.. The rtpreempt will be a nice solution because it pretty much supports all network cards.
[21:39:48] <skunkworks> but there a couple of bugs in the driver that need fixing for the 7i80 anyway. a couple others have it working great
[21:40:09] <Tom_itx> i've got it compiled and ready to try
[21:40:25] <Tom_itx> but i was working on my pendant code so it wouldn't burp in 2.6
[21:41:49] <KimK> I am told that the analog adapter (dumb interface?) for the 7i80 has been delayed? Or is it more delayed than that?
[21:43:21] <PCW> analog adapter
[21:43:25] <PCW> ?
[21:47:25] <KimK> Hi Peter, thanks for jumping in. Yes, wasn't there to be an interface/adapter to allow the 7i80 to work as a stand-alone amplifier, in classic style? And I was told that that adapter has been delayed? Is that true?
[21:51:47] <KimK> Sorry, I've confused everybody, I didn't mean the 7i80, I meant the 8i20. My apologies. Same question though.
[22:00:07] <eric_unterhausen> I could go for such and adapter
[22:07:51] <KimK> Apparently it was to be called the 8c20 daughter card, according to the 8i20 descriptive text.
[22:21:45] <pcw_home> We dropped the 8C20, better to send the command over a serial link
[22:24:38] <KimK> OK. Maybe better for LinuxCNC, but maybe not so good for standalone or classic uses. Any chance it might come back later on?
[22:27:17] <KimK> Funny this should come up, Fanuc does a similar thing and I was going to ask if the 8c20 would work there, or if you knew anything about Fanuc's (proprietary of course) serial protocol.
[22:30:14] <KimK> Fanuc does have some kind of adapter/test board for their serial input amps, which I am trying to get ahold of, there might be a solution there.
[22:33:59] <KimK> Anyway, it would be great if the 8c20 could be modified and/or reprogrammed to do a similar job on a Fanuc serial amp. If I am able to learn anything on the Fanuc serial protocol, I'll forward the info.
[22:45:45] <RyanS> milled some aluminium of my rather large drill press, 16mm endmill . I think about 2 mm depth of cut. Pretty good seemed to work No problem. Hardly any vibration
[22:46:35] <RyanS> I think it's fine to square stock, but because you lose table alignment. You can't really do accurate work
[22:48:46] <jdh> drill press bearings aren't generally made for side loads
[22:49:34] <RyanS> no, I wouldn't like to try any thing apart from brass aluminium or plastic .
[22:49:35] <eric_unterhausen> and the jacobs taper will let loose, probably fairly soon
[22:49:55] <RyanS> And very shallow cuts
[22:52:05] <RyanS> didnt misalign the chuk but i think er32 collet chuck would be better
[22:52:18] <jdh> and ACB's
[22:53:07] <RyanS> taper bearings?
[22:53:39] <jdh> or that
[22:55:49] <RyanS> Actually the spindle is mt4 (3 would probably be a more appropriate size) . I wonder if the mt4-3 sleeve to mt3 collet chuck is ok or if I need to get a mt4 collet chuck
[22:56:21] <RyanS> The latter would probably be stronger. I guess
[22:56:23] <jdh> the sleeve would probably induce more runout
[22:56:40] <jdh> or, it might compensate!
[22:57:16] <eric_unterhausen> I didn't realize that extruders were so expensive, I'm going to have to go to the local makerspace and print some parts
[22:57:34] <RyanS> But either way is probably going to be strong enough. Surely
[23:00:31] <RyanS> the vfd is rather handy, speed change wise
[23:06:42] <tjtr33> i have a rip for joint_axis, how can I get back to Master? ( sorry couldnt google up the answer )
[23:31:37] <tjtr33> 'git checkout master' fails with 'You have local changes to 'configs/sim/axis/sim_rdelta.hal'; cannot switch branches.' what action is necc before i can switch?