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[02:19:25] <Deejay> moin
[02:38:40] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:38:36] <R2E4> moanin
[05:28:17] <R2E4> Anyone home?
[05:28:35] <archivist> nope, they all went to the pub
[05:29:04] <R2E4> Hydraulic pump for ATC, does it only run when ATC operating or all the time to keep up pressure?
[05:29:11] <R2E4> Kind of early for the pub.
[05:30:05] <archivist> for some it is late and they just fell out the pub
[05:30:07] <R2E4> My life just got alot easier.... Only three motors to deal with. Hydraulic pump, Coolant pump and conveyor motor
[05:30:46] <R2E4> and maybe spindle cooling unit
[05:35:36] <MrSunshine> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ncstudio-CNC-3-Axis-USB-wireless-MPG-pendant-Controller-engraving-for-NC-studio-/261201310315?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd0cfb26b anyone know if that one is usable with linuxcnc? =)
[05:35:41] <MrSunshine> cheap .. and kinda neat .. and rf :P
[05:37:21] <MrSunshine> one with cable that works with mach3 also ... i wonder how complicated the protocol is in them =)
[05:38:34] <archivist> did you miss the "only work for Ncstudio CNC"
[05:38:39] <jthornton> Ncstudio CNC 3 Axis USB Manual Pulse Generator MPG pendant engraving handwheel only for Ncstudio CNC
[05:39:00] <archivist> two of us awake :)
[05:39:27] <jthornton> have a look now
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html
[05:39:32] <MrSunshine> archivist, well ... that it states that doesnt mean that someone didnt write "drivers" for linuxcnc :P
[05:40:59] <R2E4> USB, that outta get you there in time....
[05:42:28] <jthornton> USB is actually ok for some things
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[05:42:57] <R2E4> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
[05:43:13] <R2E4> I'd be scared to connect usb to my machine.
[05:44:04] <jthornton> I wouldn't use it on most machines but it fits well with my nema 23 stepper driven plasma cutter
[05:44:46] <R2E4> I use a usb wireless gamepad on my cnc router.
[05:45:19] <R2E4> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadI53SivOg
[05:45:31] <Loetmichel> i use a silicone keyboard ;-)
[05:45:47] <R2E4> recently upgraded all blue mdf parts to aluminum with my bridgeport
[05:45:53] <Loetmichel> and why is it scaring you to connect usb to a linuxcnc machine?
[05:46:12] <Loetmichel> i have worked remote with a webcam plugged into the maschine, no problem ;-)
[05:46:52] <R2E4> I dont trust usb, I have it on my router and it has done some crazy things. but that is with mach3 and winbloze, still I wouldnt trust it on a vmc.
[05:47:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14199&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[05:47:24] <jthornton> Mach is possessed
[05:47:39] <archivist> of the devil
[05:47:53] <R2E4> same time while cutting? Thats badass
[05:48:04] <R2E4> yeah I know
[05:48:32] <Loetmichel> R2E4: look at the pic ;-)
[05:48:37] <Loetmichel> vnc and webcam
[05:48:48] <R2E4> yeah, thats cool.
[05:49:18] <Loetmichel> MUCH quieter
[05:49:41] <Loetmichel> machine in the workshop, myself in the office supervising it ;-)
[05:50:11] <R2E4> I would never leave the machine running with n one there.
[05:50:41] <Loetmichel> the workshop is just a few meters behind my back, two doowws to the left ;-)
[05:51:07] <Loetmichel> and i can see the only door to the workshop from my office door
[05:51:33] <R2E4> My router is making money, despite being possesed, so I cant upgrade it at the moment. I am using G540 and a smoothstepper for 4th axis, so I would need another type of BOB to handle 4th axis.......
[05:51:41] <Loetmichel> and to see thet the mill bit is broken the cam is good enough
[05:52:01] <R2E4> a usb cheap webcam or what?
[05:52:06] <Loetmichel> yes
[05:52:37] <R2E4> pan & tilt? two axis controlled by linuxcnc also? lol
[05:53:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14202&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[05:53:24] <Loetmichel> 4.95 eur at a surplus store plus 1 eur for a usb gooseneck light
[05:53:54] <R2E4> haha, that cool. and what drivers in linux are you using?
[05:54:07] <Loetmichel> its recognized without drivers
[05:54:12] <Loetmichel> video 4 linux
[05:54:20] <R2E4> ah, wow.....cool
[05:54:49] <Loetmichel> and vlc on both ends for the streaming
[05:56:36] <R2E4> I remember trying to do the video with a dvr type app with linux way back when. It has probably developed nicely by now....
[05:57:55] <R2E4> I have a boat load of these.
http://www.altronix.com/products/installation_instructions/ACM8_CB_SubAssem.pdf
[05:58:10] <R2E4> Too bad I cant use them with mesa board, they are negative trigger......
[05:58:12] <Loetmichel> the machine PC has a dualcore c2d with 3ghz, though
[05:58:48] <R2E4> how do you tell it to use the core that cnc is not using?
[05:59:16] <Loetmichel> i dont
[06:01:35] <Loetmichel> it works more or less OOTB
[06:02:02] <Loetmichel> (more or less because configuring vlc for optimum result was a PITA)
[06:02:31] <Loetmichel> but the macnhine never stuttered or stuff, just the video was dead slow
[06:06:54] <R2E4> I have these bullet cameras I can connect to usb vid in.... might try that
[06:37:39] <R2E4> IS there two manuals? HAL MAnual and basic Hal manual?
[06:40:34] <R2E4> AH! basic Hal Tutorial is part of the HAL Manual.
[06:45:08] <skunkworks> heh
[06:46:26] <R2E4> Loadusr Skunkworks
[06:46:31] <R2E4> yes?
[06:47:10] <R2E4> sorry, studying Hal manual.
[06:48:11] <skunkworks> module not found
[06:48:16] <archivist> his pins are currently connected to a large K&T and the new trajectory planner
[06:48:18] <jthornton> lol
[06:51:51] <R2E4> I'm down to only three external motors,
[06:52:59] <R2E4> Hydraulic pump, coolant pump and chip conveyor
[06:53:27] <R2E4> Just waiting for the balls to cut the old control....
[06:54:49] <archivist> you can try to just connect to existing connectors, then no cutting needed
[06:55:23] <archivist> bit like I add mechanics to something without modifying the original
[06:58:44] <R2E4> I would need to try and source the connectors then. Remove cable from existing control and use connector then wire into mesa board.
[07:00:07] <archivist> adds a stage but allows swapping back
[07:00:41] <R2E4> yes but swapping back to control that dont work...... hehe
[07:01:04] <jthornton> archivist, did you see the changes I made to G0, G81, G82...
[07:01:47] <archivist> I saw some and keep checking back waiting for the rapid
[07:03:12] <archivist> I see you changed it to "maximum velocity" rather than rapid like the rest
[07:03:43] <jthornton> opps missed one
[07:08:32] <jthornton> or three
[07:13:41] <jthornton> check again in 1/2 hour or so
[07:35:19] <archivist> after sammich time
[09:51:25] <jdh> Milling machine 440 watt - $5000
[09:51:36] <jdh> seems pricey for somethign that small.
[09:53:50] <taureau> hello
[09:54:30] <taureau> can you say me what's tes last ubuntu with linux cnc please?
[09:57:09] <jdh> the easiest way to get it running is:
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/download
[09:59:06] <JT-Shop> must have been in a hurry
[10:04:49] <jdh> oh, I mssed the signoff when I was getting the download link.
[10:20:05] <skunkworks> tau [tab] [tab] [tab] wth - oh ;)
[10:21:59] <JT-Shop> lol
[10:24:05] <CaptHindsight> has anyone seen a small delta robot with only 1/4" of travel or small and fast pan-and-tilt mechanism, the load is only a few ounces
[10:24:39] <CaptHindsight> I can build one but I'd like to buy one today
[10:25:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hobbypartz.com/88e-camera-mount-system.html this made out of metal would be nice
[10:26:30] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: depending on your application you want to have a 'brushless gimbal'
[10:26:52] <cpresser> they are faster and run smoother.
[10:27:21] <CaptHindsight> yeah, but it has to be low cost
[10:28:07] <cpresser> how 'low'?
[10:28:10] <skunkworks> http://www.robotmesh.com/pan-and-tilt-kit-black-anodized-no-servos?gclid=CLWk8dz_87sCFY1FMgodbQcAQA
[10:28:12] <cpresser> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/dji-phantom-brushless-gimbal-camera-mount-w-motor-and-controller-for-gopro3-fpv-aerial-photography.html
[10:28:44] <skunkworks> oh - that is pretty
[10:28:47] <CaptHindsight> yeah, they have dropped in price thanks
[10:29:10] * cpresser has a gimbal powered with rc-servos. but ill throw that away soon and replace it with a brushless
[10:29:22] <CaptHindsight> yes easy enough
[10:29:38] <CaptHindsight> but the hobby servos might work well enough
[10:30:25] <cpresser> somthing like this:
http://vimeo.com/57751276
[10:30:28] <CaptHindsight> if it holds 25um +-
[10:32:15] <CaptHindsight> it needs to hold a small nozzle and be able to draw a polygon or circle over a small area
[10:32:27] <CaptHindsight> 5mm x 5mm
[10:33:13] <CaptHindsight> or stick a pen in it and have it draw a circle
[10:33:40] <CaptHindsight> now to find one in the states
[10:34:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.helipal.com/dji-zenmuse-h3-2d-brushless-camera-gimbal.html already brushless
[10:35:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.helipal.com/storm-sd-8-steadilizer-brushless-motor-gimbal.html $139.90
[10:36:16] <CaptHindsight> wow, drone parts have become popular
[11:25:13] * JT-Shop has to smoke the Canadian Bacon in the rain and can't let the PLC get wet
[11:27:41] <jdh> hold your hand over teh bowl when you light it.
[11:30:19] <jdh> oh, that kind of smoking.
[11:33:18] <CaptHindsight> rain? is that like snow only wetter?
[11:33:48] <CaptHindsight> we might make it above freezing today
[11:35:05] <jdh> back to normal here. 18C now, 22 this w/e
[11:36:16] <CaptHindsight> waiting for a thaw, one of the antennas on the roof came apart from the ice and winds
[11:37:08] <jdh> anyone ever used .net Micro framework?
[11:42:01] <jthornton> yea if the thermocouple junction in the PLC housing gets wet it faults out the PLC till it is dry
[11:42:21] <CaptHindsight> less and less seems to be stocked in the USA, all those gimbals are out of China even through newegg
[11:43:40] <CaptHindsight> looks like machining a couple brackets is faster than ordering today
[11:44:33] <jdh> you have a plc controlled damper?
[11:48:49] <Guest74032> hey everyone. i was trying to add spindle speed to my mill and was messing around without backing up (oops)
[11:49:19] <Guest74032> this was a month ago so im not sure exactly what i did. i thought i deleted what i had put in but now i cant turn my spindle on
[11:49:44] <jdh> Is the power turned on?
[11:50:01] <Guest74032> m3 in mdi doesnt work under manual control there are no spindle controls
[11:50:14] <jthornton> what kind of control do you have over your spindle? on/off etc.
[11:50:14] <Guest74032> im guessing i deleted something extra from .hal
[11:50:45] <Guest74032> just on/off by reversing contactor
[11:51:18] <Jymmm> jthornton: Can you do this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuTmTOJ-xo
[11:51:24] <jthornton> what output are you using to turn on the contactor?
[11:51:37] <jthornton> how big is the video Jymmm
[11:51:45] <Jymmm> 2m
[11:52:18] <jthornton> yea
[11:52:29] <Jymmm> in 2m ?
[11:53:04] <jthornton> dunno
[11:53:09] <Jymmm> =)
[11:53:09] <Guest74032> # --- SPINDLE-CW ---
[11:53:20] <Guest74032> setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.041.invert_output true
[11:53:27] <Guest74032> net spindle-cw hm2_5i20.0.gpio.041.out
[11:53:32] <Guest74032> setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.041.is_output true
[11:53:55] <jthornton> open show hal configuration and put that pin in a watch window while you toggle between M3 and M5
[11:54:03] <Guest74032> net spindle-cw hm2_5i20.0.gpio.041.out
[11:55:18] <cradek> you need to hook the correct output from motion to that net
[11:55:23] <cradek> you have nothing driving it
[11:55:59] <jthornton> you need motion.spindle-forward in your net spindle-cw
[11:56:28] <jthornton> net spindle-cw motion.spindle-forward hm2_5i20.0.gpio.041.out
[11:56:43] <jthornton> Guest74032,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[11:58:09] <pcw_home> halcmd show undriven_signals
[11:58:18] <Guest74032> i hal metered spindle-cw, false no change when putting in m3
[11:59:10] <Guest74032> i have this line later in hal: #net spindle-cw <= motion.spindle-forward
[12:00:27] <jdh> remove teh #?
[12:00:31] <jthornton> remove the comment marker
[12:12:12] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:16:59] <uw> halo
[12:17:07] <Deejay> hu
[12:17:14] <uw> helo Deejay
[12:17:19] <Deejay> hi uw
[12:17:50] <uw> the german presence in thsi room is strong D:
[12:18:34] <Deejay> krauts overtake! ;)
[12:18:39] <CaptHindsight> just don't mention German split nuts :)
[12:18:47] <uw> LOL not again!
[12:18:49] <jdh> sounds painful
[12:19:17] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: with a Jaw Man callt nutbreaker
[12:20:05] <IchGuckLive> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutcracker
[12:20:43] <IchGuckLive> and all of us love to eat "Kraut" in every kind of style
[12:21:01] <uw> Kraut gud
[12:21:06] <uw> Brat too
[12:21:06] <mozmck> gut
[12:21:24] <Deejay> kraut is not good
[12:21:29] * Deejay doesnt like it
[12:21:34] <IchGuckLive> ja die Deutschel lieben ihr Sauerkraut !
[12:21:36] <Deejay> but bratwurst ftw! ;)
[12:21:55] <mozmck> if you put enough potatoes and ham in it I like kraut.
[12:21:56] <IchGuckLive> bratwurst is also famous in the USA
[12:22:18] <uw> I buy brats on a regular basis
[12:22:19] <IchGuckLive> but most of them stil call it hotdog
[12:22:31] <uw> oh they are different
[12:22:35] <uw> well, here anyway
[12:22:36] <IchGuckLive> uw we make our oen
[12:22:37] * jthornton likes mushroom swiss brats
[12:22:44] <CaptHindsight> yes, Bratwurst is from Wisconsin :)
[12:23:22] <IchGuckLive> almost in every city in trhe states there is a butcher that serves german food
[12:24:02] <uw> i like cut up brat in eggs
[12:24:40] <CaptHindsight> still lots of German delis and restaurants in the Chicago up through Wi areas
[12:24:50] <uw> oh yea
[12:25:07] <uw> well, i think the country is mostly german...
[12:25:13] <uw> I think not sure
[12:25:28] <CaptHindsight> a good chunk
[12:26:15] <CaptHindsight> thats why they chose "Homeland" as a motto last decade
[12:26:21] <CaptHindsight> scary
[12:26:57] <IchGuckLive> oh today seen a mostly freesed Niagra Fall
[12:27:10] <IchGuckLive> so chicago is on ice also
[12:31:05] <CaptHindsight> right at 0C now today
[12:31:35] <uw> yup still cold here
[12:34:24] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, those camera gimbals are just 2 rc servos, one is base other is cnxd onto 1st by tin angle plate.
[12:34:26] <tjtr33> go up to Tower Hobby In Buffalo grove and get 2 servos and a tin can :)
[12:35:00] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: I wanted one this afternoon
[12:35:19] <tjtr33> ask Tower if they have they gimbal, very big store
[12:35:22] <CaptHindsight> and I didn't want to have to machine anything
[12:35:31] <tjtr33> they /have/
[12:35:48] <CaptHindsight> I already have RC servos on my shelf
[12:36:06] <CaptHindsight> I'll machine some angle later
[12:36:31] <tjtr33> you want the sheet metal mount? again call em up
[12:37:04] <CaptHindsight> there's a Hobby King down the road
[12:37:43] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: they have the brackets in stock?
[12:38:09] <tjtr33> i meant you could ask by phone and they are close by
[12:39:39] <CaptHindsight> if I wanted a 1/9th scale RC truck or plane that's no problem
[12:47:48] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: have you ever seen miniature plastic rack and pinions sold not part of some assembly?
[12:48:08] <CaptHindsight> actually has anyone seen them for sale?
[12:48:52] <Jymmm> replacement parts?
[12:52:29] <tjtr33> min rack and pinion like is trash cd drives?
[12:53:21] <CaptHindsight> yes, around that size
[12:53:55] <CaptHindsight> a few vendors have the mini sized bearing and rails
[12:54:11] <CaptHindsight> also small steppers with leadscrews for cheap
[13:01:01] <tjtr33> lotsa hits on interweb but no idea of 'local & today'
http://www.sdp-si.com/Plastic_Gears.htm
[13:01:50] <tjtr33> maybe American Scientific Surplus in St Charles. The staff is helpful
[13:04:49] <CaptHindsight> thanks bbl
[13:06:56] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: we got a god supply in germany for mini rack pinion in plastic
[13:17:27] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: tjtr33 POM or Azetal
[13:18:13] <IchGuckLive> 4x4mm is the lowest for my 3D printers
[13:18:37] <IchGuckLive> 1,2USD
[13:31:17] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[15:10:43] <CaptHindsight> http://playground.arduino.cc/uploads/Learning/simpleservocontrol1.jpg thank you arduino bit I was looking for a schematic :)
[15:10:59] <CaptHindsight> How to hook up a servo motor?
[16:12:22] <Jymmm> I turn on a piece of gear for the first time in days, and starts up fine. If I then turn it off, then turn it on 30 minutes later, it doens't start up properly, like it never got a proper power on reset. What does this sound like the issue could be?
[16:14:16] <Deejay> gn8
[16:14:23] <Jymmm> gn9
[16:15:16] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, yeah arduino & BBone comnunities think servo means toy airplane steering device ( yes (sigh) it _IS_ a servo )
[16:16:26] <CaptHindsight> heh, I find the lack of schematics strange since they dumb it so down
[16:16:52] <CaptHindsight> ask for a drawing, get a photo of how they wired it
[16:18:05] <CaptHindsight> ordered a carbon fiber brushless gimbal setup with controller for $120
[16:18:11] <CaptHindsight> should be here monday
[16:18:49] <CaptHindsight> now find a source for the lasers and miniature sharks
[16:19:53] <tjtr33> looking at your posts i was impressed with the tab and slot methid used with carbon fibre sheets. Nick from cnc ru club did a lot of that. maybe common in rc work.
[16:21:47] <CaptHindsight> not my posts
[16:22:10] <tjtr33> yes the views of the camer gimbals show it
[16:29:22] <CaptHindsight> not my pics either :)
[16:29:48] <CaptHindsight> just was hunting online
[19:11:44] <Tom_itx> what signal would i look for when the machine comes out of ESTOP?
[19:12:04] <Tom_itx> i don't see anything in iocontrol
[19:13:18] <Tom_itx> i see iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in for using an external estop
[19:50:35] <skunkworks_> I think that is what you would want to look at
[19:50:38] <skunkworks_> emc-enable-in
[19:54:03] <Tom_itx> no, i wanted the output. i found halui.machine.is-on
[19:54:10] <Tom_itx> i think that will work
[19:54:48] <Tom_itx> it's just to prevent a fault condition on startup with some logic
[20:18:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iupm6VHKoQU we've got ice balls!
[20:31:14] <andypugh> Somebody should clean those
[20:32:51] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/new_pause_resume1.jpg
[20:33:22] <Tom_itx> works good now
[20:33:39] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/pause_resume.txt
[20:40:04] <skunkworks_> Tom_itx: there is a componant that would allow you to make a 4 input and gate.
[20:40:18] <skunkworks_> I guess you would need 3
[20:40:23] <skunkworks_> 3 input
[20:41:59] <Tom_itx> i don't think that would help any
[20:42:06] <Tom_itx> there are 2 separate outputs
[20:42:46] <Tom_itx> the reason for and2 and and6 is because edge pulses when you start lcnc
[20:42:53] <Tom_itx> and causes a fault
[20:43:35] <Tom_itx> otherwise it wouldn't be needed
[20:44:26] <Tom_itx> there shouldn't be a pulse because i've checked the outputs of the first 2 and gates
[20:47:12] <skunkworks_> ah - I wasn't thinking
[20:48:17] <Tom_itx> i'm not a good programmer but i don't think edge should pulse then
[20:48:41] <Tom_itx> there is no signal on it's input
[20:48:49] <Tom_itx> i disconnected it and tested that
[21:02:01] <Jymmm> Just as a generality... Some OS/Print/Drivers will not communicate correctly if paraport is not set to Bi-Directional.
[21:04:23] <Jymmm> My print server jsut kicked my ass big time after I updated the firmware, it change the paraport to FIFO instead of Bi-Directional.
