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[02:03:24] <Deejay> moin
[02:48:34] <anonimasu> it sounds good, just like the plan i had to use the 8i20 for retrofitting another machine with the analog/smart amplifier board.
[02:48:39] <anonimasu> :S
[08:25:33] <JT-Shop> wow 55F in the shop this morning
[08:25:59] <archivist> turn the heating down
[08:26:54] <Err> heh, that's not the response I would have expected :-)
[08:27:29] <archivist> its warmer than in here :)
[08:27:54] <Err> it's about 60F in my office today, but I have a space heater running under my desk - so my immediate location is nearly-room-temp
[08:28:35] <JT-Shop> no heat in the shop except for fire
[08:29:28] <Err> hopefully an intentional one!
[08:31:00] <archivist> I was taught fire gave off heat :)
[08:31:15] <Deejay> fire burns oxygen
[08:33:33] <JT-Shop> yea, I had to run both the wood stove in the shop and the wood heater in the garage for the last 3 days... burned a lot of wood
[08:38:10] <R2E4> IS there a code in gcode for conveyor? I have a worm screw type conveyor under table to remove chips. I'm wondering should I use just a button to turn it on or run it concurrently with the coolant.
[08:39:13] <archivist> you could add a delay so it runs a bit longer when the coolant gets switched off
[08:40:47] <R2E4> USe a seperate relay, have it turn on when the coolant is ruuning then when coolant gets turned off delay then de-energize relay?
[08:43:03] <archivist> something like that
[08:45:00] <jthornton> R2E4, use classicladder to run it. you can base the run time on when the machine is in motion
[08:47:18] <R2E4> ok, havent start climbing the ladder yet, but will fill I/O spreadsheet with the output, and note it for ClassicLadder
[08:48:04] <jthornton> when you get there holler and I can give you an example
[08:48:57] <R2E4> If I put logic in for it, and I have a pushbutton toggle, if it is running and the logic for the toggle is not set and I hit the PB, will it stop the conveyor?
[08:50:07] <jdh> if you do it in ladder, you can have it do whatever you want.
[08:50:08] <R2E4> Maybe I am not clear, IF I put it in the ladder and run it automatically, if I want to stop it with a toggle PB, will it stop it? another words, will it know the output is on and toggle it off?
[08:50:45] <archivist> if you put the right logic it will do what you want
[08:50:51] <jthornton> yes, you can have a permissive contact in your rung that must be on to actually give you an output
[08:50:59] <R2E4> Just have a pushbutton in the hAL and I can contol it in the ladder logic?
[08:51:08] <R2E4> ok cool.
[08:51:48] <R2E4> This is getting wuite complex
[08:51:49] <jthornton> yes, a on/off input would make more sense ie. on is enabled and off is disabled
[08:52:37] <jthornton> what you need to do is write down in words what you want the output to do then translate that to ladder
[08:52:41] <R2E4> My mind is running but my body is still crawling.
[08:53:13] <jthornton> for example if input 1 is on and timer 1 has ran for 5 minutes run convayer for 5 minutes then reset timer
[08:53:29] <jdh> or wire it up like you want with relay logic then translate that to ladder
[08:53:47] <R2E4> yeah, I cant wait to get to the ladder stuff.
[08:54:18] <R2E4> I have done some plc stuff with designing large interlocks for doors etc....... fun stuff.
[09:02:00] <R2E4> The existing controller has a PLC board with relays, ins and outs. No logic on the board just relays. Should I try and use this board or all new relays? Obviously using existing relays would be ideal.
http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/PLC/IMG_0395.JPG
[09:03:07] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/PLC/IMG_0388.JPG http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/PLC/IMG_0410.JPG
[09:03:46] <cradek> do you have schematics?
[09:04:01] <R2E4> yes,
[09:04:09] <cradek> you sure might be able to reuse it
[09:04:32] <cradek> or you could replace it with some nice opto22 stuff
[09:04:49] <R2E4> Nice expensive opto22 stuff....hehe'
[09:05:09] <cradek> it only takes a bit of luck to come across it cheaply
[09:05:15] <cradek> on ebay, etc.
[09:13:26] <R2E4> These would be nice. din rail mounted NPN's termnals.....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIN-Rail-Mount-16-SPDT-Power-Relay-Interface-Module-OMRON-10A-Relay-24V-Coil-/131088093647?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e857591cf
[09:15:39] <archivist> I would be tempted just to drive the current relays as that could mean so much less wiring
[09:16:02] <cradek> yeah, definitely
[09:16:43] <cradek> except I like opto22 with its little LEDs much better than mechanical relays
[09:16:45] <R2E4> well yes and no, there are the ribon cables, that I would have to breakout.
[09:16:48] <archivist> less wiring diagram to make too
[09:17:05] <cradek> if you're lucky you can plug the ribbons right into your mesa card
[09:17:13] <cradek> study schematics before you cut anything
[09:17:46] <cradek> (the mesa and opto22 ribbon pinouts match - you just plug them in)
[09:17:53] <archivist> I think he has a mix of 12v and 24v relays iirc
[09:18:08] <archivist> choices
[09:18:16] <cradek> it must have optos to run the relays?
[09:18:28] <archivist> no idea
[09:18:38] <cradek> schematics!
[09:18:51] <archivist> he has them
[09:18:55] <R2E4> All the relays on that board are 24vdc
[09:20:36] <archivist> I would like to do a machine like that one day
[09:20:38] <R2E4> I have no hard plan yet. I am basically all over the place at the moment. I'm not going to do any cutting or anything until I understand LinuxCNC much better. Then I'll create a project plan
[09:21:22] <R2E4> heres the control cabinet
[09:21:25] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/Control%20Cabinbet/cab1.JPG
[09:22:01] <ries> R2E4: are you building a rocket launcher?? :D
[09:23:11] <R2E4> ries: no, a 16" gun. This injects the shells.
http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/IMG_0412.JPG
[09:24:34] <archivist> I have a spare 5" shell for use
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2006/2006_11_24_Shell/PB242767.JPG
[09:24:57] <R2E4> Here's the ATC:
http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/ATC/IMG_0411.JPG http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/ATC/IMG_0416.JPG
[09:25:09] <jdh> nice timer/fuze!
[09:25:45] <archivist> WW1
[09:25:50] <R2E4> We had 5" guns on the ship I was on.
[09:26:28] <R2E4> I seen the big mama's on the battleship, forget which one, but damn they were big
[09:26:59] <jdh> I got some 3" shells from a WW2 wreck. Some Hi-E with TNT heads and timers.
[09:28:09] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/IMG_0413.JPG
[09:28:51] <R2E4> Hydraulics, air, This thing has everything. I will have no hair when I am done. I dont have much now.
[09:28:58] <archivist> I see the pretty tinware only partly covers the muscle
[09:31:11] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/IMG_0406.JPG
[09:36:31] <TekniQue> hey, a VFD question for everybody
[09:36:58] <TekniQue> I have a chinese 3 phase VFD and am planning to run a 3 phase Y motor with it
[09:37:25] <jdh> Wye would you do that.
[09:37:34] <TekniQue> the VFD has no neutral connection, neither on the supply side nor the motor connection side
[09:37:37] <TekniQue> jdh: haha
[09:38:02] <TekniQue> I'm wondering if I should connect a neutral to the star point of the motor or not
[09:38:06] <TekniQue> I'm thinking not
[09:38:14] <Loetmichel> TekniQue: not necessary
[09:38:32] <TekniQue> yeah it shouldn't be
[09:39:03] <Loetmichel> and perhaps not good for the FU
[09:39:14] <Loetmichel> aehm... s/FU/VFD
[09:39:47] <Loetmichel> because the "star pint " generated by PWMed dc ist necesssatily identical to a real star point
[09:40:00] <TekniQue> but when I was in university I remember from a class about electric power drives that some VFD installations used a big fat neutral connection
[09:40:34] <TekniQue> because more current was passed down the neutal wire than was on the phase connections up to the VFD
[09:40:58] <TekniQue> but of course, not all VFDs are created equal
[09:48:46] <archivist> if there is more current down the neutral something is not right/ not balanced between phases
[09:54:57] <TekniQue> archivist: it would be a power factor problem the way I see it
[09:56:26] <archivist> I dont remember seeing the star point wired to neutral
[09:56:54] <TekniQue> indeed
[09:57:10] <TekniQue> it's just been a long time since I did any work with 3 phase
[09:57:35] <archivist> I have modded a few to delta for use with VFDs
[09:58:33] <archivist> fun picking the wrapping apart and getting it safe again after modifying
[10:00:06] <TekniQue> I'm helping build a machine to wash glass bottles
[10:00:17] <TekniQue> in a bottling line
[10:00:49] <jdh> havent' people been doing that for 100 years?
[10:01:14] <archivist> still need new machines
[10:01:45] <archivist> each product has its own bottle size to make things difficult
[10:01:53] <TekniQue> we're replacing a machine that was too slow
[10:02:02] <jdh> I toured a CocaCola bottling plant in 1970 that had used bottles coming in one side and cases of 6-packs coming out the back
[10:02:52] <jdh> it was fast and loud
[10:03:29] <CaptHindsight> the neutrals in wye circuits can carry lots of current due to harmonics
[10:03:51] <archivist> although I worked at a local brewery for a period I missed out on seeing the bottling plant
[10:04:13] <CaptHindsight> the harmonics are generated by non-linear loads such as switching power supplies
[10:04:36] <TekniQue> CaptHindsight: that's right
[10:05:17] <CaptHindsight> that is why you'll see the requirements for larger neutrals to be used in electrical codes on circuits supplying power to things like data centers
[10:05:33] <TekniQue> I remember being told that in some VFD installations, they used a thicker neutral wire than they used for the phases
[10:06:02] <TekniQue> and that would be due to weird current draws (bad power factor)
[10:13:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ecmag.com/section/codes-standards/sizing near the end
[10:15:22] <Loetmichel> but thats all for the neutral at the INPUT of the VFD
[10:15:32] <Loetmichel> not beetween vfd and motor
[10:15:57] <Loetmichel> for the motor it should be without neutral, regardless of star or triangle circuit
[10:15:57] <CaptHindsight> http://static.schneider-electric.us/docs/Electrical%20Distribution/Low%20Voltage%20Transformers/Harmonic%20Mitigating/0104ED9501R896.pdf
[10:16:12] <CaptHindsight> ^^ covers this in detail
[10:19:15] <TekniQue> mhmm
[10:19:24] <TekniQue> I was just bringing my mind back up to speed on this
[10:19:41] <TekniQue> haven't done any 3 phase motors in like a decade
[10:20:30] <TekniQue> I have seen what a poor neutral connection does for a system with uneven loads on it though
[10:20:33] <TekniQue> it wasn't pretty
[10:22:13] <TekniQue> a LAN party we did in 2003 or 2004, one of the 63 amp outlets in the building we used for our distro had a faulty ground fault breaker, the neutral contact went up in smoke
[10:22:54] <TekniQue> and a few dozen computers went up in smoke
[10:24:03] <jmasseo> I have a question on 3phase.
[10:24:04] <TekniQue> it's possible the power factor of all those old switch mode supplies was a factor in pushing the junked breaker beyond its service limit and frying the neutral contact
[10:24:17] <jmasseo> I'm wiring up a big kiln and the only suitable power supply near the outsie is like a 30 or 40a 3p 240vac
[10:24:50] <jmasseo> they make 3 phase relays, but i was wondering if i can just use 3 individual relays wired up to each phase?
[10:24:59] <jmasseo> that way if i need to rewrite for 1p again, i won't have to source new relays
[10:25:09] <TekniQue> you could use 3 individual relays
[10:25:22] <jdh> you can use a 3-phase contactor for single phase
[10:25:28] <TekniQue> and that also
[10:25:32] <jmasseo> well i'm using SSR's
[10:25:35] <jmasseo> not contactors
[10:25:37] <jmasseo> so i was not sure
[10:25:45] <TekniQue> I'd never use 3 individual relays if driving a motor
[10:25:51] <jmasseo> it's 13amp heating elements
[10:25:56] <TekniQue> but a kiln is 3 individual elements anyway
[10:26:00] <TekniQue> so it's fine
[10:26:02] <jmasseo> right
[10:26:27] <jmasseo> yeah 1 heating element proved completely inadequate.
[10:26:32] <TekniQue> but a motor really hates to lose a phase
[10:26:55] <jmasseo> it was nice because he had like a 15a 1p 240vac outlet right by the door. :)
[10:27:02] <jmasseo> i don't think i'd ever seen one in the wild before
[10:27:59] <jmasseo> just couldn't get the kiln over 1300f with just one element.
[10:28:24] <TekniQue> SSRs are a different thing altogether
[10:28:26] <jmasseo> i need at least 1550 to harden 5160
[10:28:53] <jmasseo> yeah i don't understand the operation of a 3 phase SSR
[10:28:54] <TekniQue> a 3 phase SSR would really be completely identical to three single phase SSRs, in a common housing
[10:28:59] <jmasseo> ah
[10:29:22] <TekniQue> three triacs and three optoisolators
[10:29:23] <jmasseo> that makes sense.
[10:29:42] <TekniQue> and three zero crossing circuits
[10:29:44] <jmasseo> my pid says it can light up to 9 ssr's
[10:29:57] <TekniQue> just with a single control signal
[10:30:04] <jmasseo> right
[10:30:22] <jmasseo> well the three individuals ended up costing me less since i already owned one, i only had to buy 2 more
[10:30:25] <jmasseo> i bought from auber
[10:30:33] <jmasseo> and then i saw them on amazon for $9.99 + free shipping, and they came with heat sinks.
[10:30:42] <TekniQue> solid state relays are awesome
[10:30:51] <jmasseo> yeah
[10:30:57] <TekniQue> switching only on zero crossing is so nice
[10:31:12] <jmasseo> i have an old timer i would like to replay the mechanical with a solid state.
[10:31:23] <jmasseo> the mechanical locked on one time and destroyed my shit.
[10:31:31] <jmasseo> the duty cycle is too low for that particular application
[10:31:34] <TekniQue> no contacts arcing over every time stuff switches off
[10:31:39] <jmasseo> right
[10:31:43] <jmasseo> when you're doing thousands of cycles a day
[10:31:46] <jmasseo> the mechanical dies young
[10:31:59] <TekniQue> heh, I wired up a tortilla baking machine at a bakery years ago
[10:32:04] <jmasseo> Important lessons were learned
[10:32:09] <jmasseo> At least myf ucking house didn't burn down, right?
[10:32:26] <TekniQue> redesigning the machine but kept the same old controller
[10:33:13] <TekniQue> converting it from being single phase 3kW to being three phase and 9kW IIRC
[10:33:29] <jmasseo> right
[10:33:39] <TekniQue> it had a mechanical 3 phase relay already and I just kept that
[10:34:06] <TekniQue> and every time it shut off, there was such a bright arc, it lit up the control cabinet
[10:34:25] <jmasseo> totally safe am i rite?
[10:34:29] <TekniQue> but 3 years later it's still in operation
[10:34:35] <TekniQue> hasn't failed
[10:34:35] <jmasseo> yeah
[10:34:41] <jmasseo> how often does it cycle?
[10:34:53] <jmasseo> my relay was cycling on for 5 seconds, off for 60 seconds, 24 hours a day.
[10:34:59] <jmasseo> it lived 6 months
[10:35:05] <TekniQue> IIRC, the cycle time in the PID control was 20 seconds
[10:35:05] <jmasseo> then it locked on
[10:35:07] <jmasseo> and broke a bunch of shit
[10:35:13] <jmasseo> wow
[10:35:26] <jmasseo> it must be a heavy duty contactor.
[10:35:29] <TekniQue> and this machine never runs unsupervised, it's not fully automatic
[10:35:42] <jmasseo> right, if it locks up you can just kick it
[10:35:50] <TekniQue> a person has to stand at the end of the conveyer and feed it dough balls
[10:35:53] <jmasseo> it only locked up once, but once was enough.
[10:36:04] <TekniQue> which it presses with a ton or so of pressure between two alu plates
[10:36:08] <TekniQue> to form a tortilla
[10:36:12] <jmasseo> nice.
[10:36:20] <jmasseo> then it throws it on the spiral heating thingy
[10:36:32] <TekniQue> the alu plates are heated
[10:36:37] <jmasseo> ah
[10:36:38] <TekniQue> that's where most of the power is
[10:36:49] <jdh> make an automatic dough baller and feeder
[10:36:53] <TekniQue> the baking is completed on a conveyer oven
[10:37:00] <jmasseo> most of the machines i've seen cook them on this spiral thing that lifts them up and dumps them out at the top
[10:37:07] <jmasseo> a lot of them are propane based too
[10:37:18] <jmasseo> i live in tx so i see them everywhere. a lot of places have their own.
[10:37:26] <jmasseo> i only have a little electric tortilla press at home. :(
[10:37:31] <jmasseo> takes like 2 minutes per tortilla
[10:40:08] <TekniQue> IIRC, this machine does several hundred per hour
[10:40:26] <TekniQue> takes a few seconds to press each tortilla
[10:41:11] <jmasseo> right
[10:41:23] <TekniQue> the press is operated by a motor driving a crankshaft
[10:41:30] <jmasseo> time to live the dream
[10:41:31] <jmasseo> http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/bfs/4243605811.html
[10:41:38] <TekniQue> and there are springs on the connecting rod to set the pressure
[10:41:43] <jmasseo> now you too can own a tortilla factor. :)
[10:42:24] <jmasseo> i don't understand
[10:42:26] <R2E4> They must be selling it cause they are making too much money.
[10:42:27] <jmasseo> what you mean about the press
[10:42:38] <jmasseo> R2E4: right. it's such a beautiful facility
[10:42:48] <jmasseo> R2E4: there are like 15 of these places in fort worth. most have been in business for a while.
[10:43:14] <jmasseo> http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/bfd/4250802766.html
[10:43:38] <jmasseo> $29.9k!
[10:46:36] <R2E4> for 30,000.00 I can sell you this big money maker that has no chance of making money.
[10:46:48] <jmasseo> eh
[10:46:56] <jmasseo> you can make money selling tortillas
[10:47:52] <R2E4> inspections, food regulations insurance, that 30,000.00 will turn into 120,000.00 in no time
[10:48:04] <R2E4> then you got packaging and distribution? Are you insane?
[10:48:29] <R2E4> Thats if that chain of metal & motors works....
[11:03:06] <jdh> I was searching for 'thruster' on aliexpress. The suggestions were not what I was looking for.
[11:09:16] <jmasseo> right
[11:09:25] <jmasseo> in tx, inspections and regulations are not as onerous as in other places.
[11:09:28] <jmasseo> but yeah, it gets expensive.
[11:09:39] <jmasseo> property taxes on land are insane.
[11:10:43] <jmasseo> the wife is thinking of doing a snowcone stand or truck.
[11:10:53] <jmasseo> so i may find out soon how much legalese is involved
[11:11:23] <mozmck1> It's a pain, but doable.
[11:11:39] <jmasseo> right
[11:11:45] <jmasseo> i have no desire to work at a food truck or snow cone stand.
[11:11:58] <mozmck1> Once the thing is approved, inspections are not too bad if you keep things clean.
[11:12:04] <jmasseo> right
[11:12:13] <jmasseo> a food truck could be fun if i could just make whatever and sell it
[11:12:18] <jmasseo> she wants to do like organic juice snowcones
[11:12:44] <mozmck1> My parents had a bakery that I helped build and worked in some so I have a little experience, and I owned a restaurant for about 6 months :)
[11:13:12] <mozmck1> Put it in the Whole Foods parking lot :)
[11:16:17] <R2E4> cradek; you have a mori seiki? What control? seicos m16-2 maybe?
[11:16:35] <mozmck1> jmasseo: we put SSRs on a reflow oven to replace mercury relays and they have worked great.
[11:17:14] <jmasseo> mozmck1 maybe.
[11:17:18] <jmasseo> SSR's are pretty great
[11:17:21] <jmasseo> i prefer them to mechanicals for sure.
[11:17:31] <mozmck1> btw, how do I change my nick back to mozmck?
[11:17:46] <mozmck> like that!
[11:18:53] <mozmck1> heh, so what is the command? I used msg nickserv identify and it said I'm identified for mozmck, but it didn't change...
[11:19:36] <jdh> /nick newnick
[11:20:36] <mozmck> thanks.
[11:24:07] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/cnct/VM40%20WITH%20SEICOS%20M2-MICON16-2.pdf most of the schematics and ladder is in this manual, forgot I had it online
[11:34:13] <R2E4> page 70 and 71, that all I need for ATC logic besides location of X Y?
[11:34:35] <cradek> R2E4: yes, linuxcnc
[11:34:42] <R2E4> 73 74 and 75
[11:34:48] <R2E4> Cool.
[11:35:09] <R2E4> What control did you remove?
[11:35:24] <cradek> yasnac something or other
[11:35:43] <R2E4> Ah!
[11:36:04] <R2E4> I am missing 2 parameters I cannot find to make this thing move.
[11:36:19] <cradek> retrofit!
[11:36:29] <R2E4> yup, thats what I am doing
[11:37:56] <R2E4> Theres alot to it. Alot more than whats on the surface.
[11:38:21] <cradek> yeah you end up having to understand *everything* in the machine
[11:38:33] <R2E4> Thats the good part
[11:38:41] <uw> that is one shitty pdf
[11:39:02] <R2E4> haha, I have the actual printed manual
[11:40:12] <R2E4> First half is not that bad, the second half is terrible but that is all the ladder logic....
[11:50:09] <R2E4> It would be nice to have it powerup ok so I can double check signals before try and pray.
[12:28:16] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:35:14] <uw> Hello IchGuckLive
[12:35:25] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:35:34] <IchGuckLive> einar_: i see you got all going
[12:44:55] <jdh> she stayed with them while she was doing the album
[12:44:58] <jdh> <urk>
[13:12:23] <JohnDoe_> hey guys
[13:12:43] <JohnDoe_> looking for some out of the box help here
[13:12:50] <JohnDoe_> not really cnc related
[13:13:09] <CaptHindsight> just ask
[13:13:50] <CaptHindsight> most questions get responses, some are even on topic :)
[13:14:03] <R2E4> waiting with ......... baited anticipation!!
[13:14:50] <JohnDoe_> sorry was getting link
[13:15:10] <JohnDoe_> need a M8 soloution similar to this
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1403397102/Long_Lifespan_Competitive_Price_Split_Nuts.html
[13:15:23] <JohnDoe_> something cheep
[13:15:29] <JohnDoe_> or easy to do !
[13:15:37] <JohnDoe_> and pref in the uk
[13:15:48] <CaptHindsight> M8 what thread?
[13:16:05] <JohnDoe_> standard metric. 1.25 i think
[13:16:52] <JT-Shop> sawing a nut in half comes to mind
[13:16:53] <JohnDoe_> i was thinking just cutting nuts in half then tip tieint them togeter :/
[13:17:00] <JT-Shop> but I don't know the application
[13:17:28] <JohnDoe_> well i need to use them as pinch nuts to tighten up on an arm that needs to be secure. ish
[13:17:33] <IchGuckLive> JohnDoe_: im in germany that shot hold every metal store or plumber stuff shop
[13:17:56] <JohnDoe_> im in North Scotland and we have sheep and cows !
[13:18:06] <JohnDoe_> and Rain :(
[13:18:07] <IchGuckLive> JohnDoe_: M8 is standart to rain tubes 2inch
[13:18:10] <uw> i have a nice sweater from Scotland
[13:18:13] <CaptHindsight> but plenty of single malt to make up for it
[13:18:19] <JohnDoe_> made of wool i bet
[13:18:28] <Loetmichel> JohnDoe_: i was in dundee once...
[13:18:34] <uw> "eye"
[13:18:35] <Loetmichel> nice landscape
[13:18:38] <JohnDoe_> its a shit hole
[13:18:41] <Loetmichel> ... dirty city ;-)
[13:18:46] <JohnDoe_> like the rest of scotlands ciitys
[13:18:59] <uw> probably the nicest sweater i own too boot
[13:19:13] <uw> i didnt know wool could be so soft
[13:19:14] <Loetmichel> ... and not so friendly if you are wearing german navy uniform ;-)
[13:19:16] <JohnDoe_> aye thats dundee , junkies and prostitues and lots of HIV
[13:19:18] <IchGuckLive> JohnDoe_:
http://www.hornbach.de/shop/suche/articles-overview.html?searchSuggestion=rohrschelle&tab=articles&cid=2431757
[13:19:20] <CaptHindsight> and once again, plenty of single malt to make up for it
[13:19:42] <JohnDoe_> silly nazi ... !!!
[13:19:44] <uw> scotland needs to break free of the uk
[13:19:52] <JohnDoe_> we know
[13:19:54] <uw> join the scando club
[13:19:56] <Loetmichel> but were MUCH more friendly after we "redesinged" a pub whre two of our men had a brawl ;-)
[13:20:08] <JohnDoe_> dont get coky
[13:20:15] <JohnDoe_> we owned you ww1 and ww2
[13:20:17] <IchGuckLive> the scotish HULIGASNS shoudt stay out of EUROP
[13:20:28] <CaptHindsight> like revolt and rule yourselves? I think I saw a movie about that
[13:20:41] <uw> damnit germans are you getting state pride again?
[13:20:43] <JohnDoe_> aye well i can dream on
[13:20:58] <JohnDoe_> uw they never lost it !
[13:20:59] <Loetmichel> JohnDoe_: and still your guys were owned by löess than 60 youingsters and a few officers ;-)
[13:21:32] <JohnDoe_> yea well i dont know the situation . scotlands not a healthy nation anymore
[13:21:40] <JohnDoe_> too much corruption
[13:21:47] <uw> such is the world
[13:21:57] <JohnDoe_> we need a cleansing
[13:22:03] <CaptHindsight> sounds like the US
[13:22:07] <JohnDoe_> id even say a culling
[13:22:08] <uw> yup
[13:22:17] <JohnDoe_> tbh i wish we had lost ww2
[13:22:25] <Loetmichel> JohnDoe_: was very simple
[13:22:27] <uw> ....
[13:22:33] <Loetmichel> we were there for a weekend
[13:22:34] <JohnDoe_> i think by now the world would be in far better shape under german rule !
[13:22:40] <uw> thats not the first time i've heard that
[13:22:52] <Loetmichel> Friday even in 2 of our ship got some in a pub
[13:23:59] <Loetmichel> next mornin the Kaleu stood on deck: "you know what happened last night?" "YES SIR!" "Volunteers on step ahead" 70 * STOMPSTOMP
[13:24:21] <Loetmichel> so we "redesingt the pup and its occupants ;-)
[13:24:31] <Loetmichel> "redesinged"
[13:24:43] <JohnDoe_> well 70 strong against how many ?
[13:25:00] <uw> stomp boots by hugo boss
[13:25:32] <JohnDoe_> even if you did that to the english who we scots dislike ' in principle' as much as germans if were going this route i still wouldnt find it funny
[13:25:49] <JohnDoe_> why did your 2 comrades get a kicking in the first place ?
[13:26:04] <JohnDoe_> probabally being pricks is why and not showing RESPECT
[13:26:21] <JohnDoe_> visiting forighn lands and being cunts
[13:26:21] <Loetmichel> 60 ( 10 had to stay and keep watch on the ship) young navy soldiers against about the same amopunt of scottish workers and fishermen ;-)
[13:26:33] <JohnDoe_> fuck off you prick
[13:26:50] <JohnDoe_> typical arrogant bosch
[13:26:55] <uw> :(
[13:27:01] <Loetmichel> JohnDoe_: something about "fuck off nazis" and "say that again!"
[13:28:08] <Loetmichel> at least WE payed tor the renovation of the pub from our ships purse
[13:28:22] <uw> anyway i think the world may be better off under german rule...
[13:28:24] <uw> just sayin
[13:28:29] <JohnDoe_> well i bet you guys neeed to watch your back in dundee now or youll get a stabbing next time
[13:28:51] <Loetmichel> JohnDoe_: it was about 20 years ago
[13:29:08] <Loetmichel> i dont think anyone there would be still recognizeable
[13:29:11] <JohnDoe_> so?
[13:29:14] <Loetmichel> 25 years
[13:29:20] <JohnDoe_> dont need to be
[13:29:38] <JohnDoe_> red yellow and black easy to rememebr
[13:29:46] <uw> IchGuck has had enough LOL
[13:29:47] <Loetmichel> interestingly: after that "clarification" we had nor more "nazi" yellings the rest of the weekend
[13:31:13] <JohnDoe_> well just remember Scapa FLow !
[13:31:19] <JohnDoe_> whole fucking fleet at the bottom
[13:31:32] <JohnDoe_> you lot wernt so fucking cocky then
[13:31:38] <JohnDoe_> white flags
[13:31:42] <JohnDoe_> sad faces
[13:32:26] <JohnDoe_> being a navy fag you get taught about Scappa FLow ?
[13:34:13] <Loetmichel> have heard the name
[13:34:21] <Loetmichel> but ant remember what it was
[13:34:24] <Loetmichel> cant
[13:34:52] <Loetmichel> and btw: i made some friends in dundee
[13:34:55] <JohnDoe_> German Fleet. Pride of the Motherland. Got trapped. We let you surrender and you scupperd your whole fleet
[13:35:03] <JohnDoe_> LMFAO
[13:35:07] <Loetmichel> some of the guys we had the brawl with
[13:35:16] <JohnDoe_> yea yea pub drunks
[13:35:24] <JohnDoe_> you beat up some scottish drunks
[13:35:27] <JohnDoe_> big woop
[13:35:28] <Loetmichel> they were really OK after the "differences" were "cleared off"
[13:35:40] <JohnDoe_> idk
[13:35:46] <JohnDoe_> by bye
[13:35:57] <JohnDoe_> you confirm my image of germans btw
[13:36:03] <Loetmichel> do i?
[13:36:05] <Loetmichel> why?
[13:36:52] <Tom_itx> AREN'T THERE ANY OPS HERE WITH A BACKBONE?
[13:37:01] <roycroft> there's nothing wrong with the germans
[13:37:05] * Tom_itx LOOKS AT JYMMM
[13:37:05] <roycroft> but don't talk about the war
[13:37:15] <uw> yea it was a long time ago
[13:38:51] <cradek> Tom_itx: eh
[13:39:05] <pcw_home> nationalism
[13:39:06] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsjoHE3r3A8
[13:40:09] <Loetmichel> ah, btw: what has come of the "elections" to get scotland independend?
[13:40:28] <R2E4> haha Poppycock!!!
[13:41:05] <roycroft> the referendum is later this year
[13:41:13] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[13:41:24] <roycroft> last i heard, it hasn't a great chance of passing
[13:41:32] <Loetmichel> just heard something about it, dindt know when it was to happen
[13:41:45] <uw> hmm
[13:42:26] <roycroft> i think the only reason cameron agreed to it was because the chances were so slim
[13:43:15] <Loetmichel> to make even more enemys here: the scots did at least know that hitler is dead. unlike some americans who asked me if he is still Chancellor ;-)
[13:43:59] <uw> people i work with believe he is (or was in the 2000s) alive in south america...
[13:44:17] <uw> and i wouldnt call these particularly "dumb" people
[13:44:27] <roycroft> i like that nice mister hilter, but i'm a little concerned about those boncentration bamps he talks about
[13:44:43] <Loetmichel> uw: possible but unlikely
[13:45:07] <uw> Loetmichel, agreed
[13:45:08] <roycroft> there are people in the us who think obama was born in kenya
[13:45:21] <CaptHindsight> Uhmericans
[13:45:21] <roycroft> there are people all over the world who think the world is 6000 years old
[13:45:42] <Loetmichel> roycroft: MANY of them in the american "bible belt" ;-)
[13:45:43] <uw> and that people were never on the moon
[13:45:48] <skunkworks> it takes all kind?
[13:45:51] <roycroft> facts are just liberal talking points
[13:45:57] <roycroft> faith is the real truth
[13:46:01] <R2E4> L
[13:46:03] <roycroft> don't you all know that?
[13:46:06] <uw> math is the real truth
[13:46:12] <roycroft> math is liberal
[13:46:14] <uw> everything else is bullshit
[13:46:17] <roycroft> liberals do not speak truth
[13:46:28] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[13:46:29] <roycroft> go thump on your bible
[13:46:37] <roycroft> you're obviously impure
[13:47:13] <Loetmichel> i think the last time i've seen a bilble was wehen i was working in a catholic curch installing the loudspeakers ;)
[13:47:46] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: lol, love the flip
[13:48:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ?
[13:48:44] <uw> too late
[13:48:50] <uw> arguements over
[13:48:57] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i think he wants us both kicked
[13:49:01] <roycroft> everybody lost
[13:49:05] <skunkworks> or is he..... ;)
[13:50:46] <Loetmichel> to be a bit more ontopic: anyone knows if a 0,6mm drill in delrin will (snug) fit on a 0,65mm motor shaft?
[13:51:25] <CaptHindsight> 50um is nice interference fit
[13:51:43] <Loetmichel> <- had made some gears for a friend. (have some issues with loosing y steps though) ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14547
[13:51:44] <CaptHindsight> depends on how thick the delrin is as well
[13:51:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14544
[13:52:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14550
[13:52:09] <Loetmichel> 3mm thick gears
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[13:52:49] <Loetmichel> hmm
[13:53:34] <Loetmichel> like i said to uw: he wasnt so bad, ab bit biased maybe.
[13:53:56] <Jymmm> ~~~ 2014-01-09.10:56:01 JohnDoe_ has joined (~JohnDoe@host86-157-197-165.range86-157.btcentralplus.com)
[13:54:44] <CaptHindsight> well if you have to draw the line somewhere
[13:54:46] <uw> :/
[13:55:55] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: a bit harsh for a harmless discussionwith a few bad words, dont you think?
[13:56:19] * Jymmm giggles
[13:56:27] <cradek> the storm was over, he looked like an idiot, I think it had worked out fine
[13:56:43] * cradek shrugs
[13:56:57] <Loetmichel> ahem... thet gag was lost to me.. what does +q do?
[13:57:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: speak boy, speak
[13:57:27] <cradek> Jymmm: you're being kind of obnoxious...
[13:57:35] <CaptHindsight> you guys are tough on asking about split nuts
[13:57:37] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[13:57:41] <Loetmichel> :-)
[13:57:42] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: =)
[13:57:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol
[13:58:12] <skunkworks> remind me not to ask about pipe threads!
[13:58:17] <Loetmichel> HRHR
[13:58:42] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It was the hatred, not profanity
[13:58:46] <Loetmichel> as long as you are not playing them ;-)
[13:58:54] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: you may be right
[13:59:13] <Loetmichel> but still i would have tried to talk him out of it.
[13:59:15] <uw> some people you just cant reach
[13:59:35] <Loetmichel> he surely cant know the germans first hand ;-)
[14:00:03] <uw> that or has experice with a select group
[14:00:22] <uw> thats typically an american problem idk why he was so aginst germans
[14:00:38] <Loetmichel> aside from some "betonkoepfe" we are friendly and can be reasoned with... now
[14:00:42] <Jymmm> prejudice is taught, and if one chooses to be that way fine, but no need to spread it where it's not welcome.
[14:00:53] <CaptHindsight> up to -6C today, feels warm
[14:01:11] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: so you are american?
[14:01:25] <Loetmichel> its 9.9°c PLUS here
[14:01:27] <Loetmichel> outside
[14:01:31] <CaptHindsight> most of the time yes
[14:01:41] <Loetmichel> and its 20:45 over here ;-)
[14:01:54] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[14:02:14] <Loetmichel> what would be "betonkoepfe" in english?
[14:02:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: farfignuten
[14:02:32] <skunkworks> 13F here.
[14:02:35] <uw> LOL
[14:02:51] <CaptHindsight> fart fig nuten?
[14:03:35] <CaptHindsight> thick headed
[14:03:36] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[14:03:49] <Loetmichel> Fahrvergnuegen....
[14:03:59] <Loetmichel> took a while to decode that ;-)
[14:04:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: =)
[14:04:14] <skunkworks> I think the subzero temps finally solved a problem I was having with the car.. Intake manifold gasket is leaking and gets worse in the cold
[14:04:40] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: and now its frozen solid and leak-free?
[14:04:44] <CaptHindsight> same here with a rear brake caliper
[14:04:48] <CaptHindsight> seal leaked
[14:05:14] <skunkworks> it actually made the leak worse so it threw an engine code to trouble shoot
[14:05:36] * Loetmichel hat a shock second today. someone cut me on the way home so i had to stom on the brakes full force
[14:06:03] <Loetmichel> ... no abs rubble... and the pedal felt like a rubber "spring"
[14:06:21] <CaptHindsight> I'm putting a switch on the ABS
[14:06:31] <Loetmichel> ... it seems i should change the breake fluid alt least every 10 years ;-)
[14:06:55] <CaptHindsight> one car had a bad sensor so the ABS was out, now that it's replaced I like it the other way
[14:07:42] <CaptHindsight> I like being able to squeal the tires to wake people up, it works better than the horn
[14:08:12] <CaptHindsight> the horn just gets them angry
[14:09:30] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: dont have that problem. used the horn maybe 3 times since i have the drivers license
[14:09:41] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: is dummkopf an old expression? All my german insults are pre 1950's
[14:10:26] <Loetmichel> its still used, but the "modern" kids go with english insults i think
[14:10:49] <Loetmichel> so you may sond a little oldfashioned but perfectly understanable ;-)
[14:11:22] <CaptHindsight> our family there used to laugh at my mom for sounding so old skool
[14:11:42] <Loetmichel> for the squealing tires: sometimes i whish the rearview mirror would not be "optional" to some ppl
[14:11:55] <Loetmichel> had to decellerate on the autobahn lately...
[14:12:12] <CaptHindsight> rear facing spot lights can also be handy
[14:13:14] <Loetmichel> drove at 200++kph at the left lane... some grandma in a fiat panda decided to overtake the lorry she was behind... at about 95kph.
[14:13:24] <Loetmichel> and about 200m in front of me :-(
[14:14:04] <CaptHindsight> well here it would be similar only they change both to the left and right
[14:14:43] <Loetmichel> so now i know that my front discs are working because after painting 100m++ of dotted line on the tarmac i've seen the red glow out of the front wheels mirrored on the tarmac
[14:14:46] <CaptHindsight> and in China, it's like driving on a go-cart track with kids
[14:15:00] <CaptHindsight> thats hot
[14:15:22] <Loetmichel> the omega weights about 2 tons with me in it :-)
[14:15:31] <CaptHindsight> did the tires get flat spots?
[14:15:41] <Loetmichel> no, the car has ABS
[14:15:50] <Loetmichel> i said: dotted line ;-)
[14:17:04] <Loetmichel> its a little (for americans)big hatchback(for europeans)
[14:17:39] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11969
[14:17:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11975
[14:18:23] <uw> real car >
http://home.comcast.net/~kowalski28/cadillac/66cadi_2.jpg
[14:18:49] <CaptHindsight> lol
[14:19:32] <CaptHindsight> 501 cu in (~8L V8)
[14:19:47] <Loetmichel> i think it was sold as Vauxhall Carlton in england and Cadillac Catera in america
[14:20:14] <Loetmichel> uw: a bit old, dont you think?
[14:20:17] <uw> CaptHindsight, merica
[14:20:51] <uw> Loetmichel, LOL cadillac catera i havent heard that term in years
[14:20:59] <uw> true the other is old
[14:21:10] <Loetmichel> uw: that may be because it was disconinued in 2003 ;-)
[14:21:14] <Loetmichel> +t
[14:21:46] <uw> i think they had big problems too over here, reliability wise
[14:21:59] <Loetmichel> and mine has only a 2.5 liters 6 cylinder turbocharged diesel
[14:22:02] <uw> i havent even seen one driving in years
[14:22:15] <uw> oh so that might be better
[14:22:23] <Loetmichel> i think it was to small for the american market
[14:22:37] <Loetmichel> ... from BMW
[14:22:41] <uw> we dont get many decent diesels overhere.
[14:22:47] <Loetmichel> and automatic shift ;-)
[14:23:09] <Loetmichel> engine and gearbox are made by bmw
[14:23:24] <Loetmichel> opel didnt have a big enough diesel ;-)
[14:23:39] <uw> well, hopefully thats a good thing
[14:23:45] <Loetmichel> its nice
[14:23:45] <CaptHindsight> it's the goofy sulfur limit for diesels here, seems to work everywhere else
[14:24:10] <uw> i've heard horror stories about bmw parts and problems, though im sure some are decent
[14:24:25] <Loetmichel> plenty of acceleration for such a big car and about 26-28mpg
[14:24:38] <CaptHindsight> it keeps the low mileage cars on the road as well, 50+mpg is not good for gasoline sales
[14:24:57] <uw> true, the conspiracy part
[14:25:30] <Loetmichel> the bmw engine has 183 hp, the opel variant only 150
[14:25:34] <uw> i want to get into diesels, but i dont have a big enough CNC to work on them
[14:25:34] <Loetmichel> so it will last
[14:25:40] <uw> (the ones i can get anyway)
[14:26:44] <Loetmichel> it has 250'000km on the meter now, and still running like a charm (besides some problems with the vacuum hoses lately, i should search for the leak)
[14:27:42] <Loetmichel> came home today: small car with hazard lights on diagonally on the street right in front of my house.
[14:28:22] <Loetmichel> was the (grandma) neighbor. choked the engine and battery empty ;-)
[14:28:54] <Loetmichel> so i gave her a jumpstart, said: drive a few km to get the battery charged" and parked mny car
[14:29:08] <Loetmichel> came back to my house still seing her standing there.
[14:29:53] <Loetmichel> she opens the door: "i am sorry to bother you again... but you pulled the handbrake so hard i cant get it unlocked!"
[14:29:57] <Loetmichel> *ups*
[14:30:21] <Loetmichel> <- "silly me... *reaches over her and unlocked the lever* there you go!" ;-)
[14:31:06] <Deejay> haha
[14:32:09] <Loetmichel> got me thinking how hard she can hit the brakes if necessary
[15:01:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AorVxw305DA 3D printer for printing and pcb milling
[15:03:04] <CaptHindsight> controlled by an embedded Linux board? :/
[15:04:23] <skunkworks> slow
[15:04:56] <CaptHindsight> looks more like an engraving tip
[15:06:17] <CaptHindsight> @ 1:25
[15:06:46] <CaptHindsight> they attached a dremel like tool
[15:13:23] <Jymmm> This is cool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2gAI-4SJ8w
[15:16:14] <CaptHindsight> not bad for a legless percussionist
[15:24:40] <uw> anybody recommend decent NONdigital metric/inch calipers?
[15:24:47] <uw> one with the 2 needles
[15:25:05] <uw> i dropped mine months ago and life hasnt been the same since
[15:48:43] <rob_h> in 2.5.3 did the jog and velocity slider get changed for axis display or a INI value setting change? as i cant seem to get a max jog slider value different to the velocity slider as i am now seeing the job slider not obaying the MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY in display, and velocity sliders not obaying MAX_VELOCITY in traj section
[15:49:38] <Tom_itx> i _think_ they change with the ini settings
[15:51:03] <Tom_itx> MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE and MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY in the [DISPLAY] section
[15:51:38] <Tom_itx> and DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY
[15:51:55] <rob_h> the max_linear_velocity no longer does anything you see u cna put value there but it has no effect
[15:52:07] <Tom_itx> mine are set to 1.25, 1.8 and 1.2 respectively
[15:52:10] <rob_h> my ini file worked fine in 2.5.0 but today on upgrade its broken
[15:54:15] <cradek> rob_h:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=80db1ea664aa190d8a7c09ff340557644f78ee3e
[15:54:53] <cradek> I bet you have conflicting MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY in your DISPLAY and TRAJ sections
[15:55:48] <rob_h> ok that sets the job and velocity slider together
[15:55:51] <rob_h> jog
[15:56:20] <cradek> I don't understand what you just said
[15:56:47] <rob_h> im looking to set the job slider to say max of 100 units max value on slider, and the velocity of say 200 units max
[15:57:32] <rob_h> ^jog slider
[15:57:50] <rob_h> right now i cant seem to set the jog slider to one max value and the velocity to a different
[15:59:02] <rob_h> here is my current config,
http://pastebin.com/bER7g7Zf
[16:01:08] <cradek> I think you are right - you cannot set the max jog speed to less than the max velocity
[16:01:32] <cradek> you can set the default jog speed to a lower value, but you can always slide the slider up above that
[16:01:40] <rob_h> i loaded up a 2.5.0 setup in sim, shows them both different, upgraded to 2.5.3 and it changed them
[16:02:01] <rob_h> yea, just when u press Shift and jog key u get a nice 10m/min job
[16:02:45] <rob_h> not say a nice 5000m/min when setting up etc it was a nice setup to have i found, as i found you did not need to jog around full rapids only when u had machine set just let it fly with the velocity slider
[16:03:09] <rob_h> maybe a nice new max_linear_job ini setting is needed?
[16:05:53] <rob_h> manual does say MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = The maximum velocity for linear jogs, in machine units per second. for display
[16:06:13] <cradek> yeah this change made it match the manual...
[16:06:21] <cradek> backward compatibility is sure a pain
[16:06:28] <einar_> How do I set up a launch icon when I now need to open terminal window. cd linuxcnc-dev, then: /scripts/linuxcnc ./configs/univstep/univstep.ini
[16:06:41] <cradek> there are three separate ini places it tries to find the jogspeed and four where it tries for the maxvel
[16:06:50] <rob_h> i think imore used a "bug" than a function maybe due to the ini search orders looking at axis.py
[16:07:22] <einar_> this is 2.6.0~pre
[16:08:45] <cradek> yes I think you are right, but I bet that's little consolence
[16:10:16] <rob_h> i just found when u have a fast machine, the job slider makes it hard to find that nice jog speed as range is spread quite long for a short slider
[16:11:05] <cradek> I always use the key shortcuts - I agree the slider is not that great
[16:23:24] <rob_h> thanks anyway cradek for susing it out
[16:30:39] <skunkworks> can you hook jog speed to a jog wheel?
[16:32:33] <rob_h> think so yes
[16:35:18] <Deejay> gn8
[16:35:20] <skunkworks> I find that jog wheel running SO, MV and FO works well
[16:35:24] <rob_h> erm it looks like it does not have a count value input like feed and velocity it seems
[16:41:21] <skunkworks> maybe halui.jog-speed float in
[17:31:29] <atom1> ok i just did a git clone of master and tried compiling it and get this error:
[17:31:32] <atom1> checking /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-122-rtai/include/linux/version.h usability... no
[17:31:46] <atom1> and a few others concerning version.h
[17:32:05] <atom1> any ideas?
[18:11:54] <atom1> ok, i'm trying to use 'edge':
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/edge.9.html
[18:12:10] <atom1> and i enter: edge.0.in-edge = 0
[18:12:18] <atom1> and get an error
[18:13:05] <atom1> Unknown command 'edge.0.in-edge
[18:13:35] <atom1> trying to set the parameter so it looks at the falling edge
[18:13:44] <atom1> err rising i mean
[18:13:50] <skunkworks> setp
[18:14:31] <atom1> you can tell i haven't coded in a while :)
[18:15:22] <andypugh> setp edge.0.in-edge 0
[18:15:32] <atom1> yeah
[18:15:36] <atom1> i got it figured out
[18:15:56] <atom1> what's the difference between 'edge' and 'oneshot' ?
[18:17:32] <andypugh> Good question
[18:18:11] <andypugh> Possibly retriggerability?
[18:18:33] <JT-Shop> For a similar function that can run in the base thread, and which offers higher resolution, see "edge".
[18:18:44] <JT-Shop> oneshot is floating point
[18:19:23] <andypugh> Conceptually a oneshot is used to stretch a pulse, and an edge detector to shrink one, but I think they do the same thing
[18:20:20] <atom1> which would be tighter code?
[18:20:30] <atom1> i don't need floating point really
[18:30:37] * JT-Shop is about to run out of leaks on the new hydraulic tank
[18:32:30] <andypugh> I am sure you can make some more
[18:37:14] <atom1> mmm i'm not seeing any change on the output of edge
[18:37:18] <atom1> or in halscope
[19:10:14] <atom1> JT-Shop, you still around?
[19:15:19] <andypugh> atom1: Did you add it to a thread?
[19:16:27] <andypugh> How infuriating. The last time I used the mill I was hobbing. I just made a box that is trapezoidal at the hob lead angle. (1 degree). It wouldn't matter but the lid is trapzoidal the other way.
[19:17:41] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/pause_resume.txt
[19:17:47] <atom1> that seems to work ok
[19:18:12] <atom1> simplified the logic by dumping 'toggle' and 'toggle2nist'
[19:18:21] <Jymmm> Daaaaaaamn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFSB3-SzgoQ
[19:18:24] <atom1> basically just 2 and gates
[19:18:30] <atom1> and a pulse
[19:18:51] <atom1> andypugh, care to comment on it?
[19:18:56] <atom1> see any downfalls to it?
[19:20:56] <atom1> lemme repost it with the original code in the file for comparison
[19:21:20] <andypugh> It seems suspiciously simple :-)
[19:21:29] <atom1> it does doesn't it :)
[19:21:49] <atom1> you gotta get the pulse wide enough so program.pause program.resume see it
[19:22:21] <atom1> originally i didn't know if the signals were held or pulsed
[19:23:02] <atom1> the original was JT-Shop's i believe
[19:25:12] <atom1> now i will test that on 2.6 to see if it borks like the original code did
[19:25:25] <atom1> however i'm having problems compiling master right now
[19:40:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/new_pause_resume.jpg
[19:40:27] <Tom_itx> is what it looks like
[19:40:58] <Tom_itx> compared to
[19:41:00] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/Pause-resume.jpg
[21:50:19] <default_> hey, I just rebooted my cnc and its been a while since i've edited the .hal; if I want to reverse the direction on an axis, for instance change which direction is positive motion on my x axis, what would I edit?
[21:51:17] <default_> my machine has 4 joints tied to 3 axes, a simple xyz machine with one joint as a slave
[21:53:00] <default_> I read through the integrators manual and googled a bit and couldn't find what I was looking for
[21:58:18] <default_> I found the solution at
http://www.sherline.com/trouble.htm
[21:59:24] <default_> you go into the .ini file and change the sign of the SCALE value to its opposite, from positive to negative for example
[21:59:54] <atom1> change the sign of the scale
[22:00:29] <default_> thanks atom
[22:01:49] <atom1> do you have a sherline?
[22:02:47] <default_> no, a homemade system, a 4x4 hybrid routing table
[22:02:59] <default_> I wish I had a sherline lol
[22:03:29] <atom1> figured you might since you referenced their site
