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[00:11:58] <Jymmm> I have a 5gal plastic gas can, but it's missing a vent hole.How can I make one and still seal it so it doens't leak?
[00:19:16] <eric_unterhausen> I used a shopping bag
[02:06:25] <someone972> Perhaps someone can help me understand the math in the simple trajectory planner for jogging.
[02:07:05] <someone972> Specifically the equation vel_req = -max_dv + sqrt(2*acc_lim*pos_err + max_dv*max_dv);
[02:07:49] <someone972> I was able to derive vel_req = sqrt(2*acc_lim*pos_err) using a velocity graph with contant slope
[02:08:12] <someone972> But I can't figure out how -max_dv + sqrt(... + max_dv*max_dv) comes in to play
[02:17:34] <someone972> Perhaps it has something to do with velocity not changing linearly, but in steps based on period
[03:33:12] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[03:34:39] <uw> hello!
[04:01:53] <archivist> someone972, perhaps ask on the mailing list as there people playing with the planner at the moment I assume you have seen
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Tp_Notes
[05:33:06] <Deejay> moin
[06:33:52] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i thought you had a classic ladder tutorial...
[07:12:42] <jthornton> Tom_itx,
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
[07:23:08] <jdh> all the water outside turned hard this morning. Looks like that stuff that comes out of the freezer.
[07:32:28] <Loetmichel> harhar
[07:33:17] <Loetmichel> just happenend to clean out our deep freezer... was about half an hour of work and a whole double kitchen sink full of the white hard stuff ;-)
[07:34:01] <Loetmichel> NOW one can get the drawers back out (and in) ;-)
[07:34:36] <archivist> I switched mine off on october as it fails in low temperatures
[07:35:44] <Loetmichel> its 13.2°c outside over here ;-)
[07:36:11] <Loetmichel> and thanks to mining LTC on my computers its 26.8°C in my workshop at the moment ;_)
[07:36:20] <archivist> just under 10 when I last looked
[07:39:52] <jdh> that is a much more sensible temperature than what we currently have.
[07:50:17] <Vq> 8°C here in southern sweden
[07:50:29] <Vq> It's usually colder this time of the year.
[07:55:57] <Loetmichel> Vq: i am in germany
[07:56:25] <Loetmichel> it is expected to be a white christmas... its about 20°c to warm at the moment ;-)
[07:59:55] <JT-Shop> yea, I just got back from getting my wife's car unstuck
[08:00:05] <jdh> tires frozen to the ground?
[08:02:34] <eric_unterhausen> I wonder if my garage door is stuck
[08:08:39] <JT-Shop> she stopped to see if a guy who slid off the road in his truck needed help. The truck was on it's side... stopped on a hill that was so slick when I walked back to my truck I had to grab the door handle to keep from sliding right by the truck
[08:09:19] <JT-Shop> I just had to coach her on how to start moving on ice and give the car a bit of a push
[08:10:44] <JT-Shop> I'm burning this now
http://gnipsel.com/images/Dons-red-oak%2001.jpg
[08:11:24] <JT-Shop> that sucker had 3 cords of wood in it
[08:15:32] <eric_unterhausen> good news is that the garage door opened
[08:15:45] <eric_unterhausen> we had rain right up until the cold hit us
[08:17:22] <someone972> Bit of a late reply, but thanks for the link. That looks like exactly what I was looking for.
[08:19:34] <eric_unterhausen> that code is obviously government cheese, whoever wrote it originally was pretty old-fashioned
[08:20:45] <eric_unterhausen> the thing that really used to drive me crazy was when they re-used a variable to "save memory"
[08:25:15] <someone972> Hmm, on further inspection the non-continuous case math is actually for the regular trajectory planner and not simple_tp used for jogging
[08:26:12] <someone972> I actually got very close to getting the equation used for simple_tp, but can't seem to get it exact
[08:30:54] <someone972> Maybe the equation I got is correct but they 'fudged' it a bit to make it easier to calculate? I guess I'd have to ask someone who knows more about it.
[08:31:40] <eric_u_cnc> I don't think there is anything right or wrong in the tp
[08:31:50] <eric_u_cnc> it's a controller, you choose
[08:32:13] <cradek> someone972: are you trying to fix a problem, or just understand it?
[08:32:24] <someone972> I'm just trying to understand it
[08:32:28] <cradek> aha
[08:32:46] <someone972> From what I understand it would still get to the position requested, it would just have slightly less velocity
[08:32:57] <eric_u_cnc> it's not something you can prove to be correct
[08:33:34] <someone972> Well the equation used can be proved in theory
[08:34:15] <someone972> In a perfect world that would be enough but of course real world physics is not perfectly approximated by the equations
[08:34:15] <eric_u_cnc> so can this b = z^6 - a +p^3.5
[08:34:35] <someone972> I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.
[08:34:41] <cradek> I'm not either
[08:34:45] <eric_u_cnc> the tp is not attempting to model a physical system
[08:35:10] <someone972> It is actually, using acceleration and velocity limits to reach a position without overshooting
[08:36:07] <eric_u_cnc> no, it's a combination of physical variables into a quantity that is used for control
[08:36:17] <eric_u_cnc> it's not provably correct or incorrect
[08:36:48] <someone972> What physical variables are you talking about?
[08:36:49] <eric_u_cnc> all you can do is measure its performance
[08:38:08] <eric_u_cnc> just look at the things in your equation. max accel and max velocity
[08:38:39] <eric_u_cnc> it's obviously not a physical model, it's a desired quantity
[08:39:09] <someone972> Those are physical limits which are determined by testing of the system, or can be set lower if desired
[08:40:10] <someone972> So I'd say it's definitely a physical model, and it models it fairly well at that
[08:44:09] <R2E4> Is there a function similar to estop_latch we can use on regular outputs or do I have to get this function to work with ladder logic? Basically when there is an alarm, I want to latch an output.
[08:47:06] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/hardware/mpg.html
[08:47:27] <R2E4> I was just there looking..... Jeez!
[08:47:54] <R2E4> Oh, thats for the mpg
[09:28:40] <jdh> what would you think about a company who only lists an @aol.com email address?
[09:29:19] <R2E4> Invest in them and get them off AOL.
[09:36:11] * JT-Shop looks like this today http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=RxVcDrMdwiFrJM&tbnid=3K4UL2rXhDAnZM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.allposters.com%2F-sp%2FRandy-I-can-t-put-my-arms-down-A-Christmas-Story-Lifesize-Standup-Poster-Posters_i9561996_.htm&ei=CxvMUtSTFI_moASJqoHQBQ&bvm=bv.58187178,d.cGU&psig=AFQjCNHpHL7_QBEmB4U48wBsRNLYmdyp0Q&ust=1389194338150721
[09:36:30] <jdh> you win!
[09:36:36] <jdh> (ugliest URL award)
[09:36:50] <JT-Shop> damn google
[09:36:52] <JT-Shop> http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-488-488-90/68/6890/5SLJ100Z/posters/randy-i-can-t-put-my-arms-down-a-christmas-story-lifesize-standup-poster.jpg
[09:37:06] <jdh> and you get third place also!
[09:43:10] <archivist> jdh they have no IT department
[09:45:24] <archivist> and they are hard to train
[09:50:48] <R2E4> net work-lite-toggle toggle.0.in <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-05 net work-lite-control toggle.0.out <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-02
[09:50:52] <R2E4> I cannot get that to work
[09:51:06] <R2E4> Does that look right?
[09:51:20] <archivist> both on one line?
[09:51:31] <R2E4> no seperate lines
[09:51:55] <R2E4> ah wait, forgot to load the rt funtion
[09:52:30] <pcw_home> you need to load the function and addf it to the servo thread
[10:01:29] <someone972> The only thing I don't understand about the simple_tp.c equation is why the position correction comes out to max_dv*t
[10:02:12] <someone972> I.e. in the continuous case pos_err = vel_req*t/2, and in the non-continuous it is pos_err = vel_req*t/2 + max_dv*t
[10:02:37] <someone972> When I tried to think through it, it seemed like it should be max_dv*t/2
[10:10:46] <skunkworks> someone972, there is a wip where the read-ahead depth is increased...
[10:11:40] <someone972> That shouldn't affect jogging though should it?
[10:12:42] <skunkworks> no
[10:12:51] <skunkworks> someone972, what are you trying to do?
[10:13:11] <someone972> Just trying to understand how the equation used for jogging a single axis was derived
[10:13:46] <someone972> I've figured it out for the most part, just that one part doesn't make sense.
[10:15:08] <JT-Shop> R2E4, looks right to me
[10:15:26] <R2E4> yeah, its not working yet
[10:15:38] <R2E4> http://pastebin.com/B4n66juS
[10:15:41] <JT-Shop> did you load toggle to a thread?
[10:16:02] <someone972> I'm wondering if it should be vel_req*t/2 and they just changed it for ease of computation
[10:16:05] <R2E4> yeah
[10:16:23] <JT-Shop> what does toggle do in the watch window?
[10:16:31] <someone972> Since it's the difference between solving for vel_req^2 vs vel_req^2 + vel_req*max_dv
[10:16:54] <R2E4> I can see the input change states but the output doesnt
[10:18:13] <pcw_home> did you addf the function to the servo thread?
[10:18:52] <JT-Shop> is your config running now?
[10:19:23] <R2E4> yes
[10:19:53] <JT-Shop> open show hal configuration and unlink the toggle input
[10:19:56] <R2E4> pcw_home: yes
[10:20:04] <JT-Shop> the setp the toggle input
[10:20:12] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic_hal.html#_unlinkp
[10:20:51] <JT-Shop> setp toggle.0.in 1
[10:26:24] <R2E4> I unlinked it but when I try to setp, it spits an error saying it is connected to a signal
[10:29:14] <R2E4_> Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-08' unlinked
[10:30:24] <JT-Shop> did it report Pin 'toggle.0.in' unlinked
[10:30:43] <JT-Shop> in the show window?
[10:30:55] <R2E4_> no
[10:31:11] <cradek> http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/high-end-cnc-machines-cant-b.html
[10:31:36] <R2E4_> it shoewed the pin unlinked in the text box below the execute command window
[10:32:25] <R2E4_> The pin is not shown linked to it in the show window
[10:33:24] <JT-Shop> you should be able to set the pin if it is not linked to a signal
[10:34:40] <archivist> cradek, retrofit opportunities!
[10:35:19] <cradek> isn't it though
[10:36:04] <archivist> it is similar to the software rental market where there is lock down
[10:36:19] <R2E4_> toggle.o.in is not linked to a pin, it is linked to lite-toggle signal
[10:37:56] <JT-Shop> unlinkp toggle.0.in
[10:39:00] <Loetmichel> archivist: retrofit was my first thought, too ;-)
[10:39:21] <Loetmichel> who am i to let a company decide what i do with my assets?
[10:39:33] <Loetmichel> there is a reason i dont buy anything from apple ;-)
[10:39:47] <archivist> the NSA is watching your assets
[10:40:09] <Loetmichel> that my be fact because of android on some of my devices
[10:40:35] <Loetmichel> but a CNC machine with linuxCNC on it should not be watched and be it just because its uninteresting ;)
[10:41:34] <Loetmichel> but really: paying for a machine the manufactirer has the ability to lock me out at any time they seem fit? no way!
[10:42:38] <R2E4_> it unlinked but I cannot setp it to 1
[10:44:36] <JT-Shop> what error does it give?
[10:45:33] <JT-Shop> setp toggle.0.in 1
[10:46:25] <R2E4_> Ok, so I can manually make it work. setting toggle.o.in to 1, energizes output, setting toggle.0.in to 0 then back to 1 de-energizes output
[10:47:26] <R2E4_> I see how using this tool can save lots of time....
[10:47:38] <R2E4_> This is great
[10:49:36] <JT-Shop> you might need some debounce
[10:49:42] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/toggle.9.html
[11:33:20] <R2E4> IS there a section in the forums where machine retrofits get documented?
[11:36:44] <R2E4> found i
[12:20:11] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[12:21:18] <IchGuckLive> today we hit a record high of 15DEG here in Germany
[12:21:40] <ries> IchGuckLive: you are lucky to be alive in these days!
[12:21:42] <jdh> nice. We were 1C off our record low
[12:22:25] <IchGuckLive> grandma saying the USX cold will hit us here in 3 weeks time O.O
[12:31:58] <Loetmichel> my outside thermomenter says +9,7°c at the moment ;-)
[12:33:05] <CaptHindsight> up to -20C here already
[12:34:54] <Deejay> hmmm
[12:35:20] * Deejay hands a hot tea to CaptHindsight
[12:37:16] <CaptHindsight> you get used to it, you mostly need to block the wind if you work outside
[12:38:21] <skunkworks> I would ski down to 0F when I was younger...
[12:39:09] <andypugh> I have skied at -20C
[12:39:15] <andypugh> My beer froze at lunchtime.
[12:39:23] <CaptHindsight> seems whenever we went skiing in Wi it was always around 0
[12:39:29] <skunkworks> heh
[13:30:26] <einar__> Running a program I can see pulses (on a scope) coming out of the Universal Stepper Controller board.
[13:31:11] <einar__> But when issuing G0 Z.. in MDI mode no pulses!? The pyramid in Axis moves though. How come?
[13:33:07] <IchGuckLive> stepgen not enabled in hal
[13:33:22] <IchGuckLive> or pulse frequenz to high
[13:33:42] <IchGuckLive> for scope use 5000 5000 8000 10000
[13:34:02] <IchGuckLive> then you can go back for 2500 2500 6000 8000
[13:34:07] <einar__> Stepgen in HAL, I don't think there is any. Pulse freq too high? My scope goes to 200MHz!
[13:34:16] <IchGuckLive> and then what ever your driver goes for
[13:36:01] <IchGuckLive> einar mesa or normal Board stepconfwizard
[13:36:27] <einar__> No wizard. There is none for univstep.
[13:37:14] <einar__> I'm the "wizard" myself. But my wand seems to be up my <beep>
[13:38:18] <IchGuckLive> net zenable axis.2.amp-enable-out => stepgen.2.enable
[13:38:24] <IchGuckLive> is this in your hal
[13:38:44] <IchGuckLive> so the stepgen is on pulsing
[13:39:32] <einar__> There is this: net Zenable => ppmc.0.stepgen.02.enable
[13:40:00] <IchGuckLive> ok and wher is the signal comming from
[13:40:12] <IchGuckLive> net Zenable <= ???????
[13:40:16] <einar__> And it does pulse when running a program.
[13:40:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: This is the best log splitter I've seen yet!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfQ8kiNPhw
[13:41:21] <IchGuckLive> einar__: the mashine is homed so Go in MDI wirks
[13:41:33] <IchGuckLive> G0
[13:42:31] <IchGuckLive> i think its the enable chaiun if Xis enabled in programm it wil enable internaly all axis but not in MDI
[13:42:37] <einar__> It is homed, or it will not start running a program.
[13:43:04] <IchGuckLive> so take net Zenable <=axis.2.amp-enable-out
[13:43:14] <IchGuckLive> and it shoudt run
[13:43:19] <JT-Shop> Jymmm, too fast for me, the best I've ever seen is a hydro
[13:44:50] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BYE its late here
[14:15:07] <sivu> is there a visual editor for pins/signals?
[14:18:18] <andypugh> People keep trying, but no.
[14:19:10] <andypugh> I think it can be done in Eagle, with HAL modules as components, but I don't think that project finished either.
[14:19:31] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Eagle2HAL
[14:25:13] <CaptHindsight> did somebody have plans to compete with Labview? :)
[14:26:19] <andypugh> There was Crapahalic too
[14:27:22] <CaptHindsight> was there a logo design contest?
[14:30:28] <andypugh> I think it might still be there, I wonder if it works?
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=src/hal/utils/halgui;h=33800a89fb73f5838ad59a3f86f3e0f6583662b6;hb=HEAD
[14:34:10] <andypugh> Well, it runs. It doesn't do anything, but it runs.
[14:35:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, could change the gearing
[14:36:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: the return is just a spring
[14:37:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noGIMhMDfpU
[14:39:28] <JT-Shop> I'm very familiar with that type of splitter
[14:41:35] <CaptHindsight> how about a canon powered splitter? Similar to a powder set gun like Hilti
[14:48:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Looks the best to me, 2nd would be the corkscrew
[14:51:17] <JT-Shop> Jymmm, do you split much firewood?
[14:51:36] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: not if I can help it =)
[14:51:39] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/
[14:51:41] <JT-Shop> lol
[14:52:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: slow return?
[14:53:08] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-GDLfhrz/0/X2/CA_01071415085208-X2.jpg
[14:53:14] <ReadError> sharing my new toy ;)
[14:53:25] <terabyte-> show off
[14:53:25] <ReadError> 3/8" carbonfiber
[14:53:29] <ReadError> yaaaaaa
[14:53:33] <ReadError> im like a proud father
[14:54:04] <terabyte-> i know that feeling :D
[14:54:21] <terabyte-> its how i feel when i see flight videos from pilots better than me
[14:54:22] <Jymmm> ReadError: Oh, I have a bunch of that I got for free from a business that was closing
[14:54:38] <ReadError> lucky
[14:54:43] <ReadError> you selling it?
[14:54:49] <Jymmm> ReadError: Just pulling your chain =)
[14:54:56] <ReadError> ;(
[14:55:04] <terabyte-> lol buzz kill
[14:55:06] <Jymmm> ReadError: Nah, gonna make a dog house out of it
[14:55:12] <ReadError> lol
[14:55:33] * Jymmm twists the knife a little more
[14:57:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I want to see the video of it in action =)
[14:58:12] <CaptHindsight> any idea what polymer is mixed with the carbon ^^?
[15:00:24] <ReadError> CaptHindsight, I got it from DragonPlate
[15:00:32] <ReadError> not sure if they publish that, they might though
[15:01:52] <CaptHindsight> they have a wide variety
[15:02:40] <CaptHindsight> the sheets are epoxy
[15:04:34] <ReadError> seems to be well made
[15:06:54] <CaptHindsight> yeah, nice range
[15:08:45] <CaptHindsight> I've been working on ways to print finished carbon fiber products
[15:09:23] <CaptHindsight> I experienced sticker shock when I looked at wheels and other vehicle/bike parts
[15:14:20] <Jymmm> Hmmm, they are replacing the water main and digging a trench. They have a MONSTER of tractor that has a pivoting-arm never seen that before
[15:14:46] <Jymmm> well, offsetable arm might be a better desc
[15:15:26] <Jymmm> --- than can change from straight to _/-
[15:17:38] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is the old one cast iron?
[15:17:52] <Jymmm> probably
[15:22:20] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8upn0fiXBQ
[15:29:35] <CaptHindsight> imagine that rescue with a bungie instead
[15:35:43] <MrSunshine_> what are the odds that i manage to align the rails perfectly on the router when just throwing it all together ...
[15:38:10] <CaptHindsight> did you machine slots or grooves for the rails?
[16:18:04] <Deejay> gn8
[16:27:18] <Jymmm> Cold enough for ya?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrrJs2areo
[16:34:12] <andypugh> I wish they wouldn't mention "windchill" in that sort of cotext
[16:34:29] <andypugh> Windchill doesn't make it colder, it just makes hot people feel colder.
[16:35:01] <andypugh> I have not worked out why you don't get the same effect with cold water.
[16:35:10] <andypugh> (You don't)
[16:56:05] <mshaver> Is there a way to load and run a g-code program with a pyvcp button? I'm trying to automate tool length setting.
[16:59:06] <Tom_itx> andypugh maybe it's because the boiling water is on the virge of becoming vapor
[16:59:54] <Tom_itx> i predict the same thing would happen if you could change it's elevation quickly
[17:00:25] <andypugh> mshaver: Do you actually need to _load_ the program?
[17:00:51] <Tom_itx> i've got 'run' on my pendant but not load
[17:00:58] <andypugh> It's easy to make a button run an O-word sub
[17:03:14] <mshaver> My situation is this: I have a switch which a decending tool can depress, triggering the probe input and storing the Z height. I'd like to have a button that runs some g-code to do the g38.2 and some subsequent G10... things to store the tool length offset.
[17:04:29] <mshaver> I could have the operator _load_ the "set-tool.ngc" progrm first I suppose.
[17:07:58] <cpresser> frightening stuff:
http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/high-end-cnc-machines-cant-b.html
[17:14:37] <Tom_itx> time for a retrofit on a brand new machine :)
[17:18:26] <mshaver> andypugh: How do I make a button to run an o-word sub? Link to info?
[17:18:46] <andypugh> mshaver: MDI_COMMAND
[17:19:05] <andypugh> in the ini [HALUI] section
[17:19:48] <mshaver> andypugh: OK, will look at this! Thanks!
[17:20:45] <Tom_itx> mshaver you can see an example in my configs if you can weed through them
[17:20:54] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[17:21:05] <Tom_itx> i think the buttons are in postgui.hal
[17:21:17] <Tom_itx> and the mdi stuff in the ini
[17:21:24] <einar__> when HAL Oscilloscope says 200 mSec per div, can I trust that? It does not match my real scope hooked up to step out.
[17:21:46] <Tom_itx> and display.xml
[17:24:27] <Jymmm> When a Craftsman hand tool has been discontinued, you can only get a gift card now.
[17:32:56] <mshaver> Thanks! MDI_COMMAND will do what I need!
[17:34:20] <mshaver> Here's another question: Is there a way to sense (in HAL) when G1 is active?
[17:35:05] <mshaver> I'm trying to control the dust collection boot on a router and I want it to be in the "down" position only when I
[17:35:20] <mshaver> 'm in AUTO and G1 is active.
[17:53:00] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: they won't swap you with a next best tool?
[17:56:20] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: even more so that people are getting used to this and not doing much about it
[17:57:34] <CaptHindsight> the reason given is BS since the GPS can tell them if the unit has been moved across a shop floor vs to Iran
[18:15:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/07/intel_demos_pconsd_tiny_computer_for_internet_of_things_and_wearables/
[18:16:18] <CaptHindsight> now I can finally make the CNC controlled wristwatch/mill
[18:26:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I guess thats what the gift card is for
[18:26:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But what I was saying is they no longer keep a reserve stock for replacements
[18:27:35] <CaptHindsight> thats been my experience for the past few years
[18:27:54] <CaptHindsight> only they let me get a similar next best tool
[18:28:44] <CaptHindsight> lots of tool changes since the 70's, especially screw drivers and wrenches
[18:29:05] <Jymmm> Well, it's been a while for me. Usually I just save a bag of broken tools and go in all at once
[18:30:05] <Jymmm> Sadly, I won't be buying any more craftsman hand tools
[18:30:17] <CaptHindsight> S-K used to be for life as well, until they decided life means only if a store has it in stock
[18:31:12] <Jymmm> Now, I just buy cheap tools and not worry about it.
[18:31:32] <CaptHindsight> and now all the ACE hardware stores carry Craftsman instead
[18:31:34] <Jymmm> Hell, there's not many more tools I need anyway
[18:32:23] <Jymmm> I got a pair of 36" bolt cutters from HF for under $20 out the door *shrug*
[18:32:27] <CaptHindsight> I still break the occasional socket or screwdriver
[18:32:57] <CaptHindsight> how well do they fit under a jacket? :)
[18:33:07] <Jymmm> Well, I still have shit loads of those craftsman, but they discontinued my favorite side cutters
[18:33:12] <Jymmm> bastards
[18:33:19] <syyl-> get a good one
[18:33:22] <syyl-> and youre done
[18:33:24] <syyl-> :)
[18:33:27] <syyl-> knipex
[18:33:47] <Jymmm> They WERE good, just old. and had a lifetime warranty, then discontinued them
[18:33:48] <syyl-> abuse the heck out of their side cutters and havent ruined one so far..
[18:34:06] <Jymmm> syyl-: Great, send be a pair.
[18:34:09] <Jymmm> me*
[18:34:14] <syyl-> send me money :P
[18:34:26] <CaptHindsight> I always tend to bend or break a section
[18:34:34] <Jymmm> I already spend the money on the craftsman ones. Thoght you were offering
[18:35:25] <Jymmm> these are micro side cutters btw
[18:35:48] <syyl-> those for electronics?
[18:35:53] <Jymmm> yep
[18:36:11] <CaptHindsight> I've melted a couple as well going through live wires
[18:36:22] <syyl-> then there are two great manufacturers of those, knipex and bernstein
[18:36:49] <Jymmm> syyl-: no need to suggest unles you are going to ship them
[18:37:04] <syyl-> free world, free suggestions ;)
[18:37:37] <Jymmm> Free slap in the face
[18:37:43] <syyl-> its like free aol cds
[18:38:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.aikencolon.com/assets/images/Knipex/SpecialPliersAndTools/95RatchetActionCableCutters/Knipex-9531280-Ratchet-Action-Cable-Cutter-Application4.jpg
[18:39:22] <CaptHindsight> great until you cut through a cable with a steel support
[18:39:31] <syyl-> jip
[18:39:38] <syyl-> and they look mean ;)
[18:40:03] <CaptHindsight> http://shop.wirecutterstore.com/assets/images/22-RACSR-cutting-wire-rope.jpg
[18:40:28] <CaptHindsight> copper wrapped around one steel support
[18:40:31] <syyl-> for bigger gauge cables we use a hydraulik shearing thing ;)
[19:35:50] <Valen> detcord ftw?
[19:36:22] <Valen> speaking of cutters and pliers, I'm planning on making some
[19:37:03] <Valen> I'm planning stainless for the body, an adjustable angular contact bushing for the hinge and replacable carbide inserts for the actual cutting
[19:57:39] <andypugh> Sounds excessive :-)
[19:59:09] <andypugh> Night all
[19:59:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.fishmhx.com/Pages/pliers.html
[20:00:32] <CaptHindsight> http://test.novosurgical.com/testnew12/neuro-ortho-spine/wire-pin-management-instruments/hercules-type-wire-cutters/hercules-type-front-and-side-cutter.html List Price: $975.69
[23:06:29] <uw> http://www.linuxcnc.org Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL
[23:07:49] <eric_unterhausen> u broke it
[23:08:39] <uw> >.>
[23:08:55] <uw> i just got there and it was like that
[23:08:56] <eric_unterhausen> this is why we can't have nice things
[23:10:20] <CaptHindsight> do you think it was lack of a maternal connection in infancy or something sinister?
[23:11:29] <uw> lol idk sounds like MySQL is borked or somethin
[23:13:33] <CaptHindsight> DreamHost is having a problem
[23:14:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/
[23:15:45] <uw> this is an OUTRAGE
[23:16:12] <uw> of outrageous proportions
[23:17:19] <CaptHindsight> "This is the third time in 12 months that this has happened"
[23:18:25] <uw> not 99% uptime, "99%*"
[23:18:37] <uw> (* may or may not equal 99%)
[23:21:00] <CaptHindsight> the only problems I have with LiquidWeb is if someone on a shared server has spam issues
[23:24:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dreamhost.com/about-us/the-dreamhost-team/ I wonder which one is to blame?
[23:25:38] <uw> the weekend at bearnies guy
[23:26:22] <CaptHindsight> found a few more behind the scenes
http://www.dreamhost.com/about-us/the-dreamhost-team/employee-profiles/
[23:27:34] <eric_unterhausen> wearing deodorant in the dreamhost offices is probably frowned upon
[23:28:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dreamhost.com/dreamscape/2010/05/21/yeah-about-that-downtime/
[23:32:57] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: you should see the emails they send out. rots your brain just to read them.
[23:38:10] <eric_unterhausen> should I switch to nginx?
[23:38:16] <uw> it's not bad
