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[01:04:10] <somenewguy> grrr, sim won't work on my laptop....
[01:04:20] <somenewguy> and I'm in the middle of re-everythinging my pc
[01:05:28] <somenewguy> any clue what to do when running in terminal, and once I pick a config, both the linuxccnc window closes as well as the terminal, too fast for me to read any errors?
[01:05:53] <somenewguy> 2.6.0 pre pulled from git
[01:06:05] <Jymmm> start emc from a shell instead of gui
[01:10:02] <somenewguy> hmmm
[01:10:08] <somenewguy> i have no clue what you mean
[01:10:30] <somenewguy> i tried launching it by switching to a new terminal" if that is the right word
[01:10:37] <somenewguy> alt-shift f2
[01:10:49] <somenewguy> i can never remember what the proper term is
[01:11:18] <somenewguy> navigated to the directory and tried to launch linuxcnc and it told me i had no display set, so i think I misunderstood what you wanted me to do
[01:11:55] <somenewguy> on an ironic note, the reason im trying to usethe laptop and the pc is no longer functional is because I am finally abnadoning ubuntu completly and going to arch to force myself to get better w/ linux...
[01:12:17] <somenewguy> somehow i have a million inststnaces of grub on every partition or something from old installs etc, I decided to take a break and play w/ EMC
[01:17:24] <somenewguy> "can't find package Img"
[01:19:10] <somenewguy> BOOM got it
[01:19:22] <somenewguy> needed to install libtk-img
[01:19:34] <somenewguy> wonder how that got missed
[02:14:30] <Deejay> moin
[02:40:04] <Loetmichel> mornin#
[04:09:52] <somenewguy> wno
[04:11:15] <archivist> own
[04:33:06] <eric_unterhause1> huh
[05:25:52] <jthornton> heh
[05:29:17] <archivist> hoh
[06:53:34] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/284455
[06:53:58] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/284454
[07:14:14] <eric_unterhause1> skunkworks: that's cool, what is it?
[07:15:29] <eric_unterhause1> I got the vesa drivers running, but now opengl is hosed
[07:16:49] <skunkworks> No clue.. (something I found on the internet...) just showing the speed difference between the current TP and the new TP
[07:17:38] <eric_unterhause1> pretty good speedup
[07:18:55] <skunkworks> Yes - for sort line segments or tangent arc-arc, arc line
[07:19:11] <skunkworks> eric_unterhause1, eww
[07:20:59] <eric_unterhause1> and of course I can't just install the software gl lib
[07:22:26] <eric_unterhause1> crap, that just uninstalled linux
[07:23:25] <eric_unterhause1> said it was just going to remove 28mb
[07:23:34] <eric_unterhause1> literally removing everything on my system
[07:24:46] <eric_unterhause1> you'd think they could provide some information that would indicate that was going to happen
[07:28:29] <eric_unterhause1> I guess I'm going to go back to 10.04
[07:30:41] <Tom_itx> heh
[07:31:01] <Tom_itx> bleeding edge too painful?
[07:31:17] <eric_unterhause1> ubuntu is broken, and I wasted too much time
[07:31:50] <eric_unterhause1> hopefully whatever causes regular ubuntu to lock up my system is not present in the livecd kernel
[07:32:18] <archivist> I had a breakage on 10.04 the other day which may be hardware or ubuntu
[07:32:44] <eric_unterhause1> 12.04 has been great on my desktop, which is identical to my linuxcnc machine
[07:32:45] <archivist> also seemed a gl/video problem
[07:33:10] <eric_unterhause1> 10.04 would cause daily lockups
[08:49:53] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/284494 I wonder what the repeatability of the printheads mounted on this setup is? Belt drive with self centering bearing
[08:51:11] <archivist> as good as the bearing and ball screw summed
[08:51:58] <CaptHindsight> so easily +/- 5um :)
[08:53:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1464155083/top_selling_a2_uv_flatbed_printer.html desktop to flatbed conversion
[08:53:44] <archivist> 5um....how would it be that good :)
[08:54:23] <CaptHindsight> I'm sure they are happy if it gets 100um
[08:55:17] <archivist> I bet thee have adjustment for left right alignment as even cheap printers have
[08:56:23] <CaptHindsight> it's an $800 inkjet on a gantry
[08:57:41] <CaptHindsight> Epson won't share the printhead specs so they just used the whole printer and replaced the feed rollers with the gantry
[08:57:54] <eric_unterhause1> nice
[08:58:06] <eric_unterhause1> what would you print with that?
[08:58:15] <archivist> bigger paper
[08:58:50] <CaptHindsight> it's a UV ink flatbed now
[08:59:26] <skunkworks> our flatbed printers have linear motors and encoders
[08:59:33] <CaptHindsight> so you can print on rigid materials and the ink does not come off with solvent or water
[08:59:59] <skunkworks> (gandi (sp))
[09:00:29] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: yes, they refer to properly made printers as "overbuilt"
[09:03:46] <eric_unterhause1> after suffering with air bearings and oil hydrostatic bearings, I am not a fan
[09:04:22] <CaptHindsight> you could also print solder mask, conductive traces and silk screen legend.... but that supplied doesn't realize that, or it would sell for 5-10x more
[09:04:23] <eric_unterhause1> reminds me that I have to replace the bearing tracks on a couple of linear motors
[09:04:31] <eric_unterhause1> turns out they "rust"
[09:04:59] <CaptHindsight> what brand?
[09:05:00] <eric_unterhause1> sorry, magnet tracks
[09:05:22] <CaptHindsight> I use linear motors all the time
[09:05:25] <archivist> 1200 grit wet/dry paper to remove rust
[09:05:37] <eric_unterhause1> the coating comes off and they keep rusting
[09:06:55] <CaptHindsight> eric_unterhause1: memleak is back if you want to debug your RTAI kernel/graphics issue
[09:07:15] <eric_unterhause1> thanks, but I can't waste any more time on that, going to wait
[09:07:56] <CaptHindsight> probably ubuntu funkiness with the drivers again
[09:08:07] <eric_unterhause1> vesa got rid of the latency, so it was the drivers, but then I couldn't get the opengl to work
[09:08:20] <CaptHindsight> he can walk you though it
[09:08:41] <eric_unterhause1> system is hosed, I dont have the heart to mess with it
[09:08:51] <CaptHindsight> ubunutu probably broke something trying to obfuscate their way of doing it
[09:09:51] <eric_unterhause1> I thought about going with debian, but I'm done learning for a while
[09:10:15] <eric_unterhause1> I have too much real work to do to explore this particular morass any more
[09:33:18] <Jymmm> jthornton: JT-Shop
http://ThePerfectBacon.com/
[09:48:46] <tjtr33> eric_unterhause1, what hardware|ubuntu|linuxcnc branch|rtos did you have success with?
[09:48:47] <tjtr33> I read in irc that you got 6uS latency on _some_ branch with _some_ hdwr.
[09:49:29] <eric_unterhause1> the livecd gives me about 6uS
[09:50:24] <eric_unterhause1> I got about 15uS with the new rtai kernel on ubuntu 12.04, but it all fell apart when I had to install software opengl and hosed the system
[09:50:50] <eric_unterhause1> I assume the actual latency is on the order of 15uS with the livecd
[09:51:26] <tjtr33> thx , so rtai|ubu10.04|linunxcnc|..., and let me ask what hardware?
[09:51:40] <eric_unterhause1> it's an older dual core athlon
[09:52:14] <tjtr33> hey thx very much.
[10:10:32] <eric_unterhause1> livecd was a breath of fresh air after trying to fix all those problems
[10:43:48] <sivu> gantry fits and rolls smoothly on the rails
[10:43:49] <sivu> yey
[10:51:22] <R2E4> Is there a way to ghet to 2.5.1 from 2.5 live cd?
[10:51:56] <eric_unterhause1> build?
[10:53:10] <R2E4> In the forums it says follow the instructions below and there is none below....:-)
[10:53:34] <eric_unterhause1> what improvements do you want?
[10:54:06] <R2E4> The changes for the 5i25 and 7i77 mesa boards
[10:54:11] <micges> R2E4: yes, you must force version in package manager
[10:55:30] <micges> and in 2.5.1 was added support only for 6i25 pcie board
[10:55:40] <R2E4> Would you happen to have the repository handy?
[10:55:48] <micges> 5i25 support is in 2.5.0
[10:56:42] <R2E4> Yes, I have the 5i25 installed and pncconf deteced it but i thought there was more.
[10:57:20] <R2E4> If I dont ned to thats great.......
[10:57:59] <R2E4> I'm going through the process of learning linuxcnc and how it works.
[10:58:08] <R2E4> Slow and daunting...
[10:59:44] <eric_unterhause1> it's a lot of work, no doubt
[10:59:58] <eric_unterhause1> of course, building a machine is always a lot of work
[11:00:12] <R2E4> The machine is built
[11:00:29] <R2E4> and the controller is dead.
[11:00:44] <eric_unterhause1> it got un-built when the controller died
[11:00:56] <R2E4> haha.... yeah
[11:01:14] <eric_unterhause1> you said it cost too much to replace the original?
[11:01:52] <R2E4> yes, the parts are not available, the company was sold andetc....
[11:02:20] <R2E4> I bought it with a dead controller
[11:05:40] <MrSunshine> china spindle, air vs water cooled .. noise level ? =)
[11:07:02] <sivu> water cooled
[11:07:42] <sivu> can run slower speeds, more silent
[11:10:01] <MrSunshine> mm but requires water and a cooling system for that =)
[11:16:11] <sivu> that's not hard
[11:19:03] <syyl_ws> but a lot of extra stuff
[11:19:16] <syyl_ws> would never run a watercooled spindle in my homeshop
[11:20:13] <syyl_ws> that one at work is enough hassle for me
[11:21:09] <MrSunshine> one positive thing with water cooled is for the dust collection, easier to design dust collection stuff for it :P
[11:22:34] <syyl_ws> friend of mine has a 600w chinese air cooled spindle mounted on his maho700
[11:22:47] <syyl_ws> its really not very loud
[11:22:57] <syyl_ws> even at full rpm
[11:23:16] <MrSunshine> nah i guess the noise from a router for example is the brushes more and stuff more then the fan =)
[11:23:27] <syyl_ws> for my feeling the cooling fan in the electrical cabinet is way louder
[11:41:26] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:01:59] <IchGuckLive> so last day of the year has started fore many of the community
[12:02:25] <IchGuckLive> what will the 2014 bring Xenomai with 2.6 on the install cd
[12:02:51] <IchGuckLive> a free slicer inside that loads stl files
[12:03:20] <IchGuckLive> making them water tide by mashlab routine
[12:04:05] <IchGuckLive> or solidifyed material thickness by blender routine
[12:04:19] <IchGuckLive> best wishes for the NEW year
[12:04:52] <IchGuckLive> still 1 1/4 day to go in 2013 here in germany
[12:32:00] <tjtr33> IchGuckLive, Happy New Year, & thanks for all the tutorial videos
[12:35:23] <IchGuckLive> NP
[13:14:59] <tjtr33> hackerspace Pumpingstation One has tutor on BeagleBone using BaconCape and a ~javascript language called Bonescript.
[13:15:09] <tjtr33> The interesting part ( to me ) was the web page interaction displaying values and reading inputs like BitlashCommander does.
[13:15:13] <tjtr33> This maybe of interest to Hal users with BeagleBoards
http://pumpingstationone.org/ https://github.com/billroy/bitlash-commander
[13:21:11] <tjtr33> http://code.google.com/p/xc2c256-cpld-cape-for-the-beaglebone/
[13:21:21] <tjtr33> ^^^ kinda small
[13:22:09] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[13:30:07] <somenewguy> does anyone know how/where the color coding in gedit comes from?
[13:30:12] <somenewguy> I wanna port it over to sublime text
[13:30:30] <somenewguy> assumeing sublime doesn't try ot hide any non-printing chars that would ruin gcode, and I don't think it does
[13:30:42] <somenewguy> otherwise I am about 10% done writing my own syntax for sublime
[14:24:56] <JT-Shop> it's hmm let me look
[14:26:59] <Tom_itx> afternoon peeps
[14:28:11] <JT-Shop> peep peep
[14:34:27] <jthornton> somenewguy,
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Highlighting_In_Gedit
[14:35:41] <somenewguy> thanks, I was pointed towards that from someone from electronics and am now porting it over to sublime
[14:35:51] <somenewguy> also ngcgui is the beesknees
[14:39:03] <jthornton> beesknees?
[14:40:50] <somenewguy> cats pajamas?
[14:48:24] <cradek> the expression "bee's knees" I can understand, but I don't understand why cats would wear pajamas and why that would be a good thing.
[14:50:45] <somenewguy> not good for the cat
[14:50:49] <somenewguy> fun for the rest of us
[14:50:55] <somenewguy> although CISCIS isno laughing mattter
[15:06:58] <heathmanc> anyone here using a single board computer with linuxcnc?
[15:08:25] <heathmanc> or any pc/104 cards
[15:16:47] <CaptHindsight> heathmanc: BeagleBoneBlacks (ARM) and some mini-itx x86 are pretty common now
[15:17:27] <heathmanc> not for this, i have a mesa 4i69 pc 104 plus card
[15:17:42] <heathmanc> looking more towards industrial
[15:18:08] <heathmanc> have to have the pc104 plus interface
[15:20:28] <CaptHindsight> there are still a few vendors of x86 pc104 cards
[15:27:16] <heathmanc> i have found a bunch, just interested if anybody has a specific recommendation
[15:27:47] <heathmanc> the 4i69 mesa card only has the pci 104 connector, but is listed as pc 104
[15:28:10] <heathmanc> so I am snooping around to see if i can solely run that on a pci-104 single board computer
[15:32:44] <somenewguy> hmmm, is there a more concise way than a single line subroutine to set a variable in a piece of gcode?
[15:33:04] <somenewguy> like if a<b, c=b else c=d
[15:33:41] <somenewguy> subroutines just aren't super readable to me when I am debuggging/editing code so if I don't need 100 of em, I'd liketo avoid it
[16:14:05] <Tom_itx> i have a bunch of pc104 mb but i bet they're too slow for lcnc
[16:18:12] <heathmanc> that's the problem.. i have found several that i want, intel atoms
[16:18:31] <heathmanc> just waiting word back from mesa about pci-104 vs pc-104 plus and their cards
[16:20:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/sbc_main1.jpg
[16:20:11] <Tom_itx> i have half dozen of those
[16:20:15] <Tom_itx> 600mhz iirc
[16:22:59] <Tom_itx> err maybe 400... can't remember now
[16:24:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/PDF/PCM-9372%20Datasheet%20Ed1.pdf
[16:24:07] <Tom_itx> short sheet for it
[16:24:41] <heathmanc> but it isn't pc-104 plus
[16:24:49] <heathmanc> would be another connector with it
[16:25:02] <Tom_itx> no probably not
[16:25:08] <Tom_itx> they're old
[16:25:45] <heathmanc> the plus spec came out in like 2002 or 3, the isa portion is a dying breed
[16:26:15] <heathmanc> what are you running with those?
[16:26:54] <Loetmichel> i've monuted an p4-3ghz SBCin the base of the CNC from a friend...
[16:27:01] <Loetmichel> fits. bareley.
[16:27:15] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13149
[16:27:24] <Loetmichel> (lower comparment)
[16:27:54] <Loetmichel> front sight:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13116
[16:27:57] <heathmanc> it is crammed in there
[16:28:09] <Loetmichel> back sight:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13143
[16:28:15] <Loetmichel> overall:
[16:28:29] <heathmanc> the sbc's i am looking at are following the pc-104 form factor, much smaller
[16:28:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11648
[16:28:41] <heathmanc> card stack on top, no edge connector
[16:29:11] <heathmanc> that's a fairly compact machine
[16:29:23] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13131
[16:29:29] <Loetmichel> it is
[16:29:48] <Loetmichel> and the sides will be changed from wood to 14mm aluminium plates
[16:30:07] <Loetmichel> once the machien is completed and can mill new sideplates ;-)
[16:34:58] <Loetmichel> i am making that for a co-worker... out of scrap that has ben laying around ;-)
[17:18:51] <Deejay> gn8
[18:18:48] <somenewguy> anyone have any pro-tips on how to verify a new subroutine is robust?
[18:19:04] <somenewguy> before i start milling aI m siming it, but I suspect there are a fw cases that culd blow it up
[18:20:37] <somenewguy> i am using cutter comp a lot more and suspect there might be a strange case I didn't plan for
[18:20:54] <somenewguy> or do I just need to iterate it a bunch of times till something goes kerblooie
[18:21:12] <cradek> before you run any new program, look at the preview and see if it makes sense
[18:21:40] <cradek> that's the only advice I can think of...
[18:22:40] <JT-Shop> best advice I have too
[18:23:20] <JT-Shop> I do a chicken check of the preview and if I'm still not sure I run without a tool or material what ever makes sense
[19:02:19] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIXrkznE2IU#t=38
[19:02:54] <syyl--> uh
[19:03:11] <syyl--> mach can finaly run with encoderfeedback?
[19:03:28] <syyl--> oh
[19:03:29] <syyl--> not
[19:03:36] <syyl--> just read the description ;)
[19:12:42] <eric_unterhause1> modbus spindle speed sounds worse than that looks
[19:58:23] <nlancaster> question, having not used linux very much. How do you get your gcode to your linux cnc control box?
[19:58:54] <Tom_itx> network or thumbdrive
[19:59:10] <nlancaster> does the thumbdrive popup like in windows?
[19:59:18] <Tom_itx> yes
[19:59:25] <nlancaster> k
[19:59:30] <nlancaster> I take it from your name, you like ITX systems?
[19:59:34] <nlancaster> sized systems that is?
[19:59:42] <Tom_itx> i'm just on one here is all
[20:00:00] <nlancaster> ah, I do alot of Lan gaming, and ITX is great for moving around.
[20:01:21] <nlancaster> one of my projects for my cnc router is a new HTPC case for mini-itx
[20:03:25] <jdh> I just use network shared drives
[20:04:11] <somenewguy> i am proabably gonna start using github, since I finally have a reliavle network connection
[20:04:35] <nlancaster> was just for information. thinking of building a few light duty CNC routers for sale locally. and if I offer a PC with LinuxCNC on it I wanted to know the answers D:
[20:04:36] <somenewguy> version control will be hard to utilize, and I probably wont, but the one or two times it saves my butt I am sure it will be worth it
[20:06:26] <somenewguy> i am getting a "no stop or % at end of code" error in my test case, but I have a % sitting right there....
[20:06:31] <somenewguy> time to look for accientl mcodes...
[20:09:07] <Tom_itx> M2 or M30 at the end?
[20:10:01] <somenewguy> I tried an M2 and a %
[20:10:09] <somenewguy> neither one worked
[20:10:49] <somenewguy> gonna look a minute longer, but I might need to paste bin if anyones up for it
[20:11:08] <somenewguy> its only 80 lines, fingers crossed its an obvoius paren or something
[20:13:58] <somenewguy> sub needs t obe in the file before its called ,right? not after
[20:22:23] <somenewguy> that wasn't too bad, had the endsub with no o in front of it so it was stuck
[21:59:01] <heathmanc> Yahoo, anybody very MESA familiar around?
[22:07:00] <cradek> hi, always just go ahead and ask the real question
[22:07:30] <cradek> nobody knows whether they can help you otherwise, and you'll get ignored...
[22:14:53] <heathmanc> just trying to figure out the difference in configuration in linuxcnc with a 4i69 instead of the 5i20 that i currently use
[22:15:42] <heathmanc> should have asked first before I ordered it
