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[02:07:30] <Deejay> moin
[04:22:41] <RyanS> achivist do you know of any good reference material for indexed lathe tool nomenclature? Most introductory books ive read cover HSS geometry with a brief coverage of indexed as though they are unusual
[04:31:56] <archivist> RyanS, perhaps the Sandvik/Coromant catalogues
[04:34:26] <archivist> also they do a book called Modern metal cutting, all downloadable ad pdfs
[04:37:53] <RyanS> ah, yeah I have access to a university library , and they have machineries Handbook, but it's all imperial if I remember correctly
[04:39:59] <archivist> the sandvick Modern metal cutting has cutting data too but note they expect a modern solid machine with some power behind it not the normal amateur power levels
[04:40:48] <RyanS> The side and end cutting angles appear obvious in ISO tools (the position inserts are attached ) but it's the rake and relief that I find difficult to recognise
[04:42:29] <archivist> that depends on material you are cutting, the data is in the catalogue for the inserts
[04:45:06] <RyanS> yeah , it seems like they are designed for mass production where they are getting into only seconds of difference in cutting time which is quite irrelevant for amateurs
[04:46:41] <archivist> I just looked for some insert holders on ebay and get inserts to suit
[04:47:54] <archivist> for parting I use a cut down sandvik holder that a company provides for the amateur market
[04:48:18] <archivist> as it happens it is also nice for turning
[04:48:37] <RyanS> It is possible to find inserts that work with both stainless, as well as nonferrous or they tend to be specific in comparison to hand ground tools?
[04:48:59] <RyanS> I found HSS seems to work fine with stainless
[04:50:41] <archivist> http://www.greenwood-tools.co.uk/ishop/728/shopscr23.html
[04:51:12] <archivist> hss is good enough for a lot of work
[04:53:21] <RyanS> That's a coincidence I was trying to find greenwood about an hour ago when searching for a metric 0.1mm rise drills set to avoid insane Australian prices
[04:56:34] <RyanS> hmmph dormer is pricey everywhere
[04:57:49] <RyanS> the yanks have awesome prices on cutting tools, but it's all imperial
[04:59:28] <RyanS> No wonder, those are TiN bits
[05:00:38] <archivist> sandvik own dormer I believe
[05:02:26] <RyanS> yeah , conglomeration is the order of today
[05:03:39] <RyanS> Autodesk is one company that beats the competition by purchasing them
[05:17:04] <RyanS> they certainly are pricey at greenwood :)
[05:18:26] <archivist> I dont get inserts from him :)
[05:20:17] <archivist> one goes to
http://www.greenwood-tools.co.uk/ishop/728/shopscr39.html and sees the real part number
[05:21:08] <RyanS> ..... And gets it somewhere else :)
[05:21:59] <archivist> you just need the size, there are other material types too
[05:23:14] <archivist> read the sanvik catalogue N151.2-250 is the basic info for an insert to fit the tool
[05:28:00] <RyanS> hmm see what confuses me is SCLCR/L & SCRCR using exactly the same insert so why not just use SCLCR/L, rotate and tool post 20° to the right to get the 75° of the other tool?
[05:42:40] <jthornton> I'm suprised to see this on with all the rain
[08:17:23] <JT-Shop> dang it rained so much my levees got breached in 3 places
[08:20:38] <Tom_itx> we're supposed to get some but in the frozen form
[08:22:07] <archivist> and rain = rust, just been discovering water and rust in the garage here
[08:24:34] <pcw_home> send some this way. were basically headed for a drought this year
[08:24:36] <pcw_home> (only a couple inches all year and this would normally be our rainy season)
[08:25:39] <Tom_itx> we had drought last year
[08:31:59] <jthornton> according to the Poplar Bluff rain gauge we got 1.6" in the last 12 hours
[08:32:14] <jthornton> sure is deeper than that in my yard
[08:33:04] <archivist> capture area v yard area
[08:33:14] * jthornton goes to shut down the shop... see you guys Sunday evening
[08:33:17] <Tom_itx> jt, you haven't had the artic blast hit yet then?
[08:33:28] <jthornton> it just melted
[08:33:36] <jthornton> next one due tomorrow
[08:33:40] <Tom_itx> just starting here
[08:33:52] <Tom_itx> was 60F one day and 16 the next
[08:34:46] <Tom_itx> after all it is.... swampeast Mo
[08:37:19] <JT-Shop> lol
[08:37:37] * JT-Shop shutting down, meet you at Joe's Crab Shack at 6pm
[08:50:44] <eric_unterhausen> it's warm here today, not sure when the heat death of the universe is supposed to strike, maybe tomorrow
[08:51:59] <eric_unterhausen> no, still warmer tomorrow, hdou starts on Monday
[08:54:39] <eric_unterhausen> I wonder what stupid thing I did to disappear sources.list
[10:54:10] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[10:55:18] <IchGuckLive> today on Blomberg Europ there has been a 3Dprinter projekt THE Makers about 1000people of CNC are searched across the US to get the stuff contracts working
[10:55:47] <IchGuckLive> Techshop makerbot shopbot are the searching manufactures
[11:43:31] <Spida> anybody here in/near germany with a mill/plasma/waterjet that is able to cut 3mm sheet steel?
[11:43:50] <Spida> I need two steel stripes in the general area of 40 by 500 mm, with 4 holes and two bends
[11:47:29] <IchGuckLive> Spida: ich sitz in kaiserslautern
[11:47:45] <IchGuckLive> ich hab 6 plasmas und ca 150 fräsen
[11:48:34] <jdh> or "selling your life away"
[11:48:36] <jdh> <urk>
[12:00:58] <IchGuckLive> Spida: ?
[12:06:44] <IchGuckLive> servus flughaven
[12:07:42] <flughafen> servus
[12:09:46] <flughafen> abendessenzeit
[12:16:18] <Deejay> gut stopf
[12:16:43] <Jymmm> WOOHOO, got a 65W charge controller for xmas =)
[12:18:27] <IchGuckLive> i got a blinnking xmas tree setup
[12:18:43] <Jymmm> Is it suppose to be blinking?
[12:19:04] <IchGuckLive> its fun it got 7 different blinking progs
[12:19:16] <Jymmm> Ah, one of those... cool =)
[12:21:04] <Tom_itx> you can't open it til christmas
[12:21:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: It *IS* Christmas (today, for me), as I'll be traveling for a 2nd xmas on the 24/25th
[12:22:40] <Spida> IchGuckLive: klingt interessant
[12:22:48] <Spida> IchGuckLive: ich brauch aber nur zwei stueck davon
[12:22:52] <crib> 150 fräsen?
[12:29:48] <eric_unterhausen> what is the actual name of pncconf?
[12:30:06] <eric_unterhausen> nvr mind, finally tried no caps
[12:30:50] <IchGuckLive> to start it on standalone
[12:31:17] <IchGuckLive> get the last buildbot and start from menue
[12:31:47] <eric_unterhausen> does the hm2 firmware always have to be d/l seperately?
[12:32:00] <eric_unterhausen> it wasn't installed
[12:32:28] <IchGuckLive> you need to update for mst of the FPGA
[12:32:35] <IchGuckLive> 5i25 !
[12:32:38] <eric_unterhausen> or do I have to have the hardware installed to get pncconf to work?
[12:32:56] <IchGuckLive> no
[12:33:07] <IchGuckLive> it takes 30sec to load
[12:33:41] <eric_unterhausen> maybe I just misunderstood the error
[12:34:26] <eric_unterhausen> You are have no hostmot2 firmware downloaded in folder:
[12:34:26] <eric_unterhausen> /lib/firmware/hm2/
[12:35:25] <IchGuckLive> i got this in 5i25 7i76x2.xml 7i77x2.xml prob_rfx2.xml
[12:36:20] <IchGuckLive> eric_unterhausen: got this by 5i25update.sh
[12:36:38] <eric_unterhausen> I see, is there a 5i20?
[12:37:37] <IchGuckLive> im not o nthe cnc i only got a sim mashine here so it may be in the repro
[12:37:46] <eric_unterhausen> I assume it works better with the hardware installed
[12:38:08] <IchGuckLive> /lib/firmware/hm2/5i20
[12:38:22] <IchGuckLive> http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dapper/emc2/emc2/index.php/russian/forum/39-pncconf/23987-5i20--7i52s--7i37ta-g-change-the-io-pins?start=10
[12:39:57] <_methods> you using 5i25 and 7i74?
[12:40:13] <IchGuckLive> no 5i25 7i76
[12:40:19] <_methods> ahh
[12:40:51] <_methods> i think that's what i'm going with for my next build
[12:41:05] <IchGuckLive> great combination
[12:41:09] <_methods> yeah
[12:41:30] <IchGuckLive> all waiting for 7i76E
[12:42:05] <IchGuckLive> lots of spray within 9feet cable length
[12:42:50] <_methods> yeah i was just looking at that
[12:42:53] <_methods> its not out yet?
[12:43:01] <eric_unterhausen> well, that's nice, I don't even remember if I ever signed up for the forum
[12:43:16] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:46:01] <eric_unterhausen> crap, now it's in Russian
[12:46:10] <_methods> haha
[12:46:23] <_methods> watch your credit card
[12:46:50] <eric_unterhausen> don't the Russian speakers get tired of the fact that the forum is broken in Russian?
[12:56:13] <eric_unterhausen> where does emc2-firmware put the firmware if not in lib/firmware/hm2?
[12:57:16] <eric_unterhausen> finally remembered my forum username
[12:57:23] <eric_unterhausen> suspiciously like my actual name
[12:57:31] <eric_unterhausen> who would have thought?
[12:58:01] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: Funky-Mancho-Man-With-Much-Chamiso ???
[12:58:17] <eric_unterhausen> something like that
[12:58:23] <Jymmm> =)
[12:58:26] <IchGuckLive> oh i got town fire alarm i need tro leeeve BYE
[13:00:19] <eric_unterhausen> Jymmm: u are trying to confuse me
[13:00:35] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: Not hard to do =)
[13:00:57] <eric_unterhausen> if it was tattooed on my forehead, I might remember
[13:01:12] <Jymmm> That can be arranged
[13:02:18] <Jymmm> I have an old bone I can turn into a needle and some indelible ink
[13:02:25] <Jymmm> oh, and a hammer too.
[13:08:11] <eric_unterhausen> how do you tell what a package did?
[13:08:20] <eric_unterhausen> deb package
[13:10:28] <eric_unterhausen> well mesa board not going to install itself
[13:10:38] <eric_unterhausen> sudo halt
[13:11:26] <eric_unterhausen> someone is suppose to type [sudo] password for eric_unterhausen
[16:39:21] <Deejay> gn8
[18:18:04] <eric_unterhausen> do I have to do something to get the mesa firmware in /lib/firmware/hm2?
[18:25:11] <Tom_itx> yes, you will copy your bit files there to a subdirectory within, ie: 7i43-4 or 5i25 etc
[18:25:42] <Tom_itx> /lib/firmware/hm2/7i43-4/ yourbitfiles
[18:26:00] <Tom_itx> then in your ini the config line will point to that
[18:26:54] <atom1> ONFIG="firmware=hm2/7i43-4/SVST2_4_7I47B.BIT num_encoders=2 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=4"
[18:26:59] <Tom_itx> for example
[18:36:41] <eric_unterhausen> where is it hidden now?
[18:37:51] <Tom_itx> where is what hidden?
[18:38:12] <eric_unterhausen> I am surprised that this isn't better documented
[18:38:21] <eric_unterhausen> the stuff I need to copy
[18:38:30] <Tom_itx> what card do you have?
[18:38:34] <eric_unterhausen> 5i20
[18:38:51] <Tom_itx> ok, download the zip from mesa for the 5i20
[18:38:57] <Tom_itx> the bit file should be in it
[18:39:10] <eric_unterhausen> I thought I could just apt-get the firmware?
[18:39:14] <Tom_itx> depending on what other cards you have attached to it
[18:39:55] <Tom_itx> well that's how i did it
[18:41:40] <Tom_itx> evening andy
[18:41:50] <andypugh> Evening
[18:42:19] <andypugh> (Actually, it is morning here, but I am stuck with git (again)
[18:43:52] <Tom_itx> finishing up the new face on my pendant
[18:59:52] <Tom_itx> andypugh someone should see that the tool change mod makes it into the docs too
[19:00:01] <andypugh> My commit just pushed, so I am away to work
[19:00:13] <andypugh> What tool change mod?
[19:00:26] <Tom_itx> the hal_manualtoolchange mod
[19:00:38] <Tom_itx> to use a hard button along side the axis soft button
[19:01:33] <andypugh> Ah, right. I didn't see that get pushed.
[19:02:05] <Tom_itx> day after i brought it up it was
[19:03:59] <andypugh> Anyway, my battery is flat :-)
[19:51:19] <eric_unterhausen> is there an address for firmware on the mesa site? I don't see a link there
[19:53:04] <Tom_itx> 7i20 you said?
[19:53:11] <eric_unterhausen> 5i20
[19:53:11] <Tom_itx> 5i..
[19:53:15] <Tom_itx> sry
[19:53:29] <eric_unterhausen> with 7i37 and...
[19:53:59] <Tom_itx> 7i37 is just an io protector right?
[19:54:19] <eric_unterhausen> ya, I'm trying to find the servo board
[19:54:19] <Tom_itx> go to mesanet.com
[19:54:29] <Tom_itx> click on anything io fpga cards
[19:54:41] <Tom_itx> scroll down to the card and download the support software
[19:55:00] <eric_unterhausen> cool, thanks
[19:55:12] <Tom_itx> and the manual :D
[19:55:31] <Tom_itx> and the manual for any other cards you have
[20:12:40] <eric_unterhausen> I finally worked my way through the wiki labyrinth and found out what I had to do
[20:15:31] <Tom_itx> get it goin?
[20:16:14] <eric_unterhausen> no, I'm making up my own procedure since there doesn't appear to be one
[20:17:18] <Tom_itx> what cards do you have besides the 5i20 and 7i37?
[20:17:25] <eric_unterhausen> 7i33
[20:17:29] <Tom_itx> what is it??
[20:17:35] <eric_unterhausen> quad servo
[20:17:44] <Tom_itx> ok so you need a servo bit file
[20:17:52] <Tom_itx> for the 5i20
[20:17:59] <Tom_itx> instead of a stepgen
[20:17:59] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, I'm copying them over
[20:18:18] <Tom_itx> i'd put the whole thing in the firmware directory
[20:18:26] <Tom_itx> then you can call them from the ini file
[20:18:34] <Tom_itx> when you decide which one you need
[20:19:00] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, I just copied firmware/5i20/CONFIGS to /lib/firmware/hm2/
[20:21:11] <eric_unterhausen> workd
[20:21:42] <Tom_itx> then to find your pins, dmesg and halcmd show pins will help
[20:24:59] <eric_unterhausen> bit of a bummer that the 7i37 isn't supported by pncconf
[20:25:20] <Tom_itx> i never bothered with pncconf
[20:25:39] <Tom_itx> you will end up straying from it sooner or later
[20:25:48] <eric_unterhausen> true
[20:58:20] <eric_unterhausen> am I the only one that things adopting a second dog because it looks like the dog you already have is crazy?
[20:59:37] <eric_unterhausen> doesn't matter, I lost that argument
[21:08:46] <DaViruz> is that the sole reason?
[21:09:22] <eric_unterhausen> "so cute"
[21:09:37] <eric_unterhausen> he's a great dog though, I'm glad I lost
[21:09:48] <eric_unterhausen> I just thought the reasoning behind it was horribly flawed
[21:15:39] <ries> eric_unterhausen: gotta make an excuse....
[21:16:00] <ries> we got 3 cats (we already had 2) because they looked so sweet
[21:25:45] <CHNCguy> sup sup yall :D
[21:36:44] <cmorley> eric_unterhausen: the 7i37 can be use with pncconf. You must manually set the inputs and outputs on the mainboard connector to match.
[21:37:11] <eric_unterhausen> I don't see that option
[21:37:36] <eric_unterhausen> I'm using master
[21:40:01] <pcw_home> The 7I37 is dumb (just run via GPIO) so you just set up the GPIO to match the 7I37 pinout (top GPIO are outputs)
[21:40:24] <pcw_home> top _8_ GPIO are outputs
[21:40:29] <eric_unterhausen> I can't change from svss4_8 firmware and there are servo cards on connector 2 and 4
[21:41:45] <pcw_home> what daughtercards do you have?
[21:41:56] <eric_unterhausen> strangely, I just changed something and now gpio is on connector 4
[21:42:06] <eric_unterhausen> I have a 7i33 and 7i37
[21:42:56] <pcw_home> so you want SVST4_xxx
[21:43:16] <pcw_home> and disable all the stepgens
[21:43:21] <eric_unterhausen> so svss4_8 isn't going to work?
[21:43:33] <pcw_home> svss no way
[21:43:55] <eric_unterhausen> that's unfortunate since pncconf doesn't let me change
[21:44:12] <pcw_home> svst4_8 is stock
[21:44:27] <pcw_home> and supported by pncconf
[21:44:31] <eric_unterhausen> mine is pretty old
[21:44:45] <pcw_home> svst is 6 years or more old
[21:44:51] <pcw_home> svss is new
[21:44:58] <eric_unterhausen> like I said, it's not letting me change it. Maybe I have to go delete stuff in the directory
[21:45:23] <pcw_home> did you install the normal hostmot2 firmware set?
[21:45:35] <eric_unterhausen> I just d/l from your site
[21:45:37] <pcw_home> apt-get something or other
[21:46:00] <eric_unterhausen> I tried the apt-get something or other, but it puts the files in some random place that nobody seems to know
[21:46:21] <pcw_home> thats sure didnt use to be the case
[21:46:57] <pcw_home> they (the 5i20 firmware files) should be installed in /lib/firmware/hm2/5i20/
[21:47:18] <eric_unterhausen> I think a lot of stuff just worked on the live cd, I'm testing the 12.04 install
[21:47:27] <eric_unterhausen> which isn't too bad, but it has its quirks
[21:47:55] <pcw_home> well its probably got lots of minor issues (like this)
[21:48:15] <eric_unterhausen> yes, no doubt
[21:49:32] <eric_unterhausen> I think the docs are a probably a little sloppy because everyone used source or livecd
[21:49:55] <pcw_home> if the hostmot2 firmware is installed, I woudl just find the .bit and .xml files and install them in the right place
[21:50:16] <pcw_home> (that should make pncconf happy)
[21:51:01] <pcw_home> locate and updatedb (SP?) are helpful here
[21:53:01] <eric_unterhausen> I saw the name of the hostmot2 file earlier, but I'm having trouble finding it right now
[21:53:35] <pcw_home> name?
[21:53:53] <eric_unterhausen> I think it's called hostmot2-firmware, checking
[21:54:48] <eric_unterhausen> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:54:49] <eric_unterhausen> is only available from another source
[21:55:33] <eric_unterhausen> needs a model number
[21:55:59] <eric_unterhausen> hostmot2-firmware-5i20
[21:56:09] <pcw_home> ahh
[21:56:37] <pcw_home> or hostmot2-firmware-all
[21:57:34] <eric_unterhausen> that's an advanced topic we will cover later
[22:08:31] <eric_unterhausen> that was a little more satisfying
[22:18:35] <eric_unterhausen> I see what Chris was saying, gpio in pncconf follows the 7i37 pinout
[22:23:09] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:23:29] <eric_unterhausen> it became more obvious once it was displayed :)
[22:27:47] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, any ideas on the eratic behavior i was having on the spindle encoder using the single channel?
[22:27:56] <Tom_itx> i backed off that config for now until i can figure it out
[22:29:09] <Tom_itx> the only things on the 7i84 were the limits and the spindle relay
[22:36:41] <pcw_home> No idea, many normal configs use partial module pinouts. I really doubt that its an issue
[22:37:20] <Tom_itx> is the 7i47 suitable to drive the 7i84?
[22:37:27] <Tom_itx> i don't see why it wouldn't be
[22:37:48] <pcw_home> in fact 99% of encoder modules dont use all the pins (index mask is rarely used for example)
[22:38:03] <Tom_itx> i'm just trying to think of things i should be searching for
[22:38:08] <pcw_home> any RS422 card cab drive the 7I84
[22:38:15] <pcw_home> can drive
[22:38:19] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:38:29] <Tom_itx> the io onboard worked fine
[22:39:11] <Tom_itx> i'll have another go at it soon, i've been doing some rewiring
[22:40:26] <pcw_home> if you have interference between encoders I would expect maybe a
[22:40:27] <pcw_home> missing ground or some such more than a FPGA error
[22:41:02] <Tom_itx> funny thing is, that wiring stayed the same
[22:41:13] <Tom_itx> just lost the B & I channels
[22:41:30] <Tom_itx> i reverted back to the original bit file and things worked again
[22:41:36] <Tom_itx> i'll check things over again
[22:42:25] <pcw_home> maybe theres a pin file error
[22:42:48] <Tom_itx> could be
[22:43:07] <Tom_itx> i can post it if you care to look
[22:45:54] <pcw_home> Also make sure it meets timing
[22:46:08] <Tom_itx> i don't follow
[22:46:17] <Tom_itx> that could be the issue
[22:47:36] <pcw_home> when it compiles it will report if it met the timing contraints or not
[22:54:28] <pcw_home> also I would use the latest project files just to make
[22:54:28] <pcw_home> sure that known bad xilinx options are not used
[23:02:34] <Tom_itx> i think i downloaded them last week
[23:12:44] <Tom_itx> damn updates overwrote my hal_manualtoolchange script
[23:32:31] <Mr_Mayhem> Loetmichel, have a question on your sheetmetal technique, if you happen to notice. I see that some of your equipment chassis have the metal folded into a box frame, like on the door with hinge for front access door. How do you actually bend the metal after scoring it with the cnc?
[23:32:54] <Mr_Mayhem> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14184
[23:34:04] <Mr_Mayhem> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14184&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[23:38:20] <Mr_Mayhem> Reading this in the meantime:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/50742-Bending-Sheet-metal-perfectly
[23:38:57] <Mr_Mayhem> But you said you are not using a brake.
[23:39:20] <Mr_Mayhem> Just scoring it on the cnc first.