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[02:08:05] <Deejay> moin
[02:08:28] <uw> MOIN DEEJAY
[02:08:38] <Deejay> hi shouting uw ;)
[02:08:53] <uw> oh thats right, im sorry
[02:09:04] <uw> I forgot germany is a quiet place on sunday :)
[02:09:50] <Deejay> ;-)
[02:10:00] <Mr_Mayhem> I'm back CHNCguy, Andy, in case you are still around tonight. I have a new screen for the spindle settings after following those pncconf instructions. Looks good so far.
[02:12:47] <Mr_Mayhem> Bottom line, you have to set the encoder input to prevent the error. I wonder, what if I have no encoder? Because I don't. Best I could do would be some kind of voltage coming from the vfd which corresponds to frequency/rpm. Hmmm. I will play around with this new arrangement to see what happens.
[03:52:21] <vikingsraven> morning
[03:55:12] <vikingsraven> got my machine setup and sort of running yesterday, its homing fine and the servos sound and run well. im doing something wrong after homing i tried to run the default linuxcnc but it comes up line 13 would exceed joint 0's negative limit.
[03:59:20] <vikingsraven> i think i have to set a zero point that would reference some material but not sure how to do that, do i just jog the tool to the origin i want and use the zero x,y,z from the drop down, total noobies sorry if its baltantly obviuos
[04:04:30] <Mr_Mayhem> The hint I use is look at the 3d screen different views to determine which part of it is out of bounds (the red rectangle is the bounds as set by earlier settings) Then touch off more in the opposite direction.
[04:04:40] <rob_h> vikingsraven, u probly neeed to set a machine postion, G28.1 normaly its a home point
[04:05:35] <rob_h> then set a work postion also probly, ie G54, not sure what demo program runs code wise you might need tools if it uses any
[04:15:09] <vikingsraven> ok thanks guys, the touch off is the sort of referencing button. sorry first time trying this software, linux and this setup. Huge learning curve. Did try the manuals but im dyslexic and it all mixes up!
[04:24:02] <Mr_Mayhem> Ha, well good luck to you. It is a fairly steep learning curve but its so nice when you get it all to work! Nice to see your own parts get cut when you are set up.
[05:12:07] <vikingsraven> mr mayhem , thanks for the info, still having issues with the z axis, just need to get head around the axis directions.
[05:31:53] <Mr_Mayhem> Basically you have a zero point in your drawing and final gcode file. You put the tool tip to the same place on the stock (usually the corner closest to home position) and this sets the machine to use the same zero position as your gcode file/drawing.
[05:32:49] <Mr_Mayhem> so both "zero" reference postions then become the same.
[05:33:07] <Mr_Mayhem> You make linuxcnc follow the convention used in the gcode.
[05:35:42] <Mr_Mayhem> so first you set home for each axis (near the lower limit of travel for each axis), then you touch off x and y on the corner that is considered zero in the gcode or drawing. Then touch z barely to the top of the workpiece somewhere, assuming it is flat.
[05:37:15] <Mr_Mayhem> The home positions become "soft limits" which prevent the machine from moving too far in the minus direction.
[05:37:54] <Mr_Mayhem> The upper limits are set in the stepgen settings, generally.
[05:38:14] <Mr_Mayhem> And are keyed from the home positions as a reference.
[05:40:43] <Mr_Mayhem> So, the general idea is, home all axis near their lowest minus position, then touch off x and y to the zero point of the workpiece on the table. Then touch off z to the top of the workpiece. It can get much more sophisticated, but that is the basics.
[05:42:31] <Mr_Mayhem> The idea is, the whole planned motions in the gcode file must fit within the box you defined and touched off, without hitting the lower limit (home) or the upper limit. Or drilling into your table, hehe.
[05:42:56] <Mr_Mayhem> That for each axis I mean.
[05:44:15] <Mr_Mayhem> I am no machining expert, but that is the minimal essentials I remember.
[05:49:17] <jthornton> vikingsraven, http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/index.html
[06:13:53] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:15:13] <CHNCguy> HEY HEY :D
[08:16:39] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what does .7 do differently?
[08:17:22] <jthornton> hmm I forget
[08:17:24] <CHNCguy> Hi Tom
[08:17:29] <CHNCguy> Hey JT
[08:17:48] <jthornton> morning
[08:18:22] <CHNCguy> So early.......:|
[08:18:42] <CHNCguy> hey JT your subroutines can compile into tool paths right?
[08:18:49] <jthornton> I've been up for 3 hours
[08:18:52] <CHNCguy> I mean complete tool paths that the display updates?
[08:19:03] <CHNCguy> Same... :| haha
[08:19:36] <jthornton> yes the ngcgui creates a G code file from your choices and loads it into Axis
[08:19:49] <CHNCguy> Do you have a tutorial for loading your subroutines?
[08:20:55] <jthornton> hmm, no but it is pretty simple to do... add a few lines to the ini and copy the subroutines to the /subroutine directory
[08:21:12] <jthornton> well maybe I do too have something
[08:21:29] <CHNCguy> That would be great ;D
[08:21:56] <jthornton> no, it is just the subroutines
[08:22:18] <jthornton> do you still have the pastebin from yesterday where I gave you the lines you needed to add?
[08:23:07] <CHNCguy> for some reason pastebin wont load on my comp :( can u paste them in a private message?
[08:23:46] <jthornton> give me a bit
[08:25:15] <CHNCguy> I appreciate it, I also could not find a suitable power supply last night to power the field IO so I will order one tonight. So I am currently working on the interface of linuxcnc for my needs
[08:30:35] <jthornton> I put my ini file in the chnc directory http://gnipsel.com/files/
[08:31:14] <jthornton> copy the [DISPLAY] section down to DISPLAY = axis
[08:31:45] <jthornton> and the SUBROUTINE_PATH = ncsubroutines:/home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines in the [RS274NGC] section
[08:34:04] <CHNCguy> ok, one sec let me try ;)
[08:34:22] <CHNCguy> is it the hardinge.ini?
[08:34:58] <jthornton> yea, I'm uploading the subroutines from the CHNC now as well
[08:36:27] <jthornton> do a refresh on the chnc directory
[08:37:11] <jthornton> I uploaded my complete configuration directory
[08:39:18] <CHNCguy> Remind me on how to make a fresh directory? Also the NGCGUI section under display says= /home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines/std.ngc would I change these to my path where the .ngc subroutines go?
[08:39:43] <jthornton> yea the path needs to be yours
[08:40:25] <jthornton> if you click on Places > Home Folder you can navigate to linuxcnc and right click to add a folder
[08:41:06] <jthornton> some important things to know about using linux http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/user_intro.html
[08:41:22] <jthornton> opps wrong link
[08:41:41] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Linux_FAQ.html
[08:45:19] <CHNCguy> thanks, so where was ur subroutines on ur site located?
[08:46:18] <jthornton> the are also on my CHNC page in the CNC Machine Shop
[08:46:37] <jthornton> now you can download them from the files if you refresh the page
[08:47:22] <CHNCguy> ok trying to mod the .ini file not,
[08:47:24] <CHNCguy> now*
[08:50:08] <jthornton> breakfast
[08:50:32] <archivist> past lunchtime!
[08:52:05] <CHNCguy> LOL
[09:03:03] <CHNCguy> JT i keep getting errors saying file not in search path
[09:05:00] <tangentaudio> can anyone direct me where to find the latest and greatest hostmot2 firmware, but not from synaptic?
[09:07:59] <CHNCguy> Still cant get it to work JT
[09:08:36] <micges> tangentaudio: zip files on mesanet.com webpage
[09:09:47] <micges> if not then http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=summary
[09:10:12] <tangentaudio> thanks, found it on their page
[09:10:34] <tangentaudio> are you up to speed on hm2 stuff? i'm having some weird issues with 2.6.0~pre and trying to sort it out
[09:10:51] <tangentaudio> (current git as of yesterday)
[09:11:05] <micges> sure what's up?
[09:12:20] <tangentaudio> i've been happily running a 7i43 on 2.5.1 for about a year, using CONFIG="firmware=hm2/7i43/SVST4_4B.BIT num_encoders=2 num_pwmgens=2 num_stepgens=4"
[09:14:06] <tangentaudio> due to some other development i'm doing (modbus driver for a vfd) i pulled latest git yesterday and tried to get my basic config up and running on that.. the issue is that the stepgens seem to be taking up a bunch of extra pins which i am using as gpio in my setup
[09:15:41] <tangentaudio> the formerly available pins now show up as "Table2Pin" "Table3Pin" etc... I found reference to them in pins.c in the hm2 driver, with a comment " FIXME: these depend on the stepgen mode"
[09:16:40] <tangentaudio> one sec and i'll paste some text somewhere to show you
[09:16:49] <micges> ok, pastebin output from dmesg after start
[09:16:51] <pcw_home> Thats because Andy added table mode to the stepgen in master
[09:18:04] <pcw_home> its arguable that the pins beyond step and dir should be left as GPIO unless the config line invokes them
[09:19:37] <tangentaudio> working one: http://pastebin.com/sK3BHW4a not working: http://pastebin.com/UjqAznHy
[09:20:35] <tangentaudio> pcw_home: is there a config argument to turn that on and off? i don't care so much what the default state is, i just need to turn those back to GPIO and get my stepgen's back to 2 pins only
[09:21:02] <tangentaudio> i did look through the code a bit yesterday and couldn't find anything obvious, but i only tried for 15 minutes or so
[09:21:12] <pcw_home> Not until the source is fixed
[09:21:54] <micges> ahh, Andy left debug code
[09:22:14] <tangentaudio> this is classic yak shaving, my main goal was to get my vfd driver written... which i've done, so now i'd like to get it running with my real config and not the sim
[09:23:17] <tangentaudio> i'd like to contribute my vfd driver back once i polish it up a bit
[09:24:02] <pcw_home> a fixed bitfile is a workaround
[09:24:28] <tangentaudio> i'm totally fine with a workaround for now, any pointers?
[09:24:52] <dgarr> jthornton in your ini, all lines like: NGCGUI_SUBFILE = /home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines/face.ngc
[09:24:54] <dgarr> would be simpler and more portable written as NGCGUI_SUBFILE = face.ngc
[09:24:54] <dgarr> because linuxcnc always has to find the file in the search patch: PROGRAM_PREFIX, then SUBROUTINE_PATH
[09:24:54] <dgarr> and SUBROUTINE_PATH already defines /home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines
[09:25:41] <pcw_home> If you are setup for building bitfiles is easy, if not its a 5G download of the tools
[09:25:57] <tangentaudio> the full Xilinx FPGA suite?
[09:26:03] <JT-Shop> dgarr, I'm not sure why I did that
[09:26:03] <pcw_home> yep
[09:26:05] <Tom_itx> yup
[09:26:47] <JT-Shop> CHNCguy, pastebin the exact error
[09:26:51] <tangentaudio> well, i'm not opposed to it... i'm a bit rusty on VHDL but it's probably not even that involved
[09:27:31] <tangentaudio> are the bitfiles part of the hm2 firmware? i ask because i'm still using the same firmware files from my 2.5.1 install
[09:27:47] <pcw_home> its editing one file: PIN_SVST4_4_48.vhd
[09:28:07] <pcw_home> and recompile
[09:28:25] <tangentaudio> well i was actually looking for an excuse to play with the FPGA code anyway, so this is a way to force the issue
[09:31:08] <tangentaudio> is this reasonably accurate? http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx_install_index.php
[09:31:35] <tangentaudio> presumably that's your site, Tom_itx?
[09:39:18] <JT-Shop> CHNCguy, I cleaned up my ini file http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/configuration/hardinge.ini
[09:39:38] <tangentaudio> xilinx appears to be operating their corporate web server off of a 1200 baud modem
[09:41:39] <JT-Shop> bbl
[09:43:16] <skunkworks> that fast?
[09:43:55] <archivist> I remember 1200/75 they could be uploading at 75 :)
[09:44:26] <tangentaudio> i started out at 300 in the mid 80s
[09:45:09] <tangentaudio> i don't think i've used any actual equipment below 300... null modems don't count
[09:45:54] <tangentaudio> at least my mom won't pick up the phone and trash my download like back in the old days
[09:46:01] <archivist> I used a teletype for a uni assignment, never knew what rate it was set at
[09:48:03] <pcw_home> WYLBUR at 134.5 baud...
[09:48:22] <skunkworks> I became conscious around 28.8
[09:48:27] <skunkworks> I think
[09:48:47] <CHNCguy> JT hi, ill check it out now
[09:49:51] <tangentaudio> i was working at one of the first internet providers in my area by the time 28.8 was common... we had hand-built racks of hundreds of 28.8 modems, stripped of their plastic cases
[09:50:34] <tangentaudio> what an ungodly mess that was, but it was better than having hundreds of wall warts and all those plastic cases too
[09:52:01] <archivist> I got an ex isp rack, that had cased modems but a common industrial psu and flying leads
[09:53:08] <tangentaudio> the common psu makes a huge difference
[09:53:48] <tangentaudio> our solution was about as slick as it could be... the guy in charge of that was an old retired engineer.. he fabricated some really nice cases out of clear polycarbonate, so each modem slotted in nicely
[09:54:06] <tangentaudio> but you still had a rats nest of serial and phone wiring coming out the back
[09:55:31] <pcw_home> Speaking of wall warts I notice On-Semi has a chip whose entire purpose is to discharge the AC line filer capacitor when the wart is unplugged
[09:55:40] <archivist> http://eddie.niese.net/20090313/dont-pity-incompetence/
[09:57:45] <tangentaudio> 2 hours, 1 minute remaining... oy.
[09:58:57] <tangentaudio> i don't suppose anyone is already set up with this that could give me a hand while i wait for the bits to trickle down?
[10:01:58] <tangentaudio> archivist: that is what interns are for!
[10:02:19] <archivist> :)
[10:02:29] <archivist> its the yellow wire
[10:02:42] <tangentaudio> that one with all the yellow wires is classic
[10:02:57] <archivist> we actually wired a raft with red wire only for a giggle
[10:03:38] <tangentaudio> i've seen chairs made of woven CAT5
[10:06:31] <tangentaudio> my download times are going up, not down... i think i better form a plan B for the day
[10:08:25] <tangentaudio> maybe the better solution short term is getting my vfd driver to compile for my 2.5.1 install
[10:10:53] <pcw_home> what does man hostmot2 (in master) say about the stepgen, maybe there's a way to disable the extra outputs
[10:12:17] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[10:12:48] <tangentaudio> let me check
[10:13:15] <jthornton> is man9/stepgen.9.html up to date?
[10:14:49] <pcw_home> This is for hostmot2
[10:15:19] <jthornton> oh
[10:15:37] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html#stepgen
[10:16:37] <tangentaudio> " Each stepgen uses between 2 and 6 IO pins. The signals on these pins depends on the
[10:16:41] <tangentaudio> step_type parameter (described below).
[10:16:43] <tangentaudio> maybe step_type is the key
[10:19:04] <tangentaudio> nope, i'm already setting it to 0 for all of my instances
[10:19:30] <pcw_home> OK so its a driver "feature" in master
[10:20:57] <tangentaudio> wonder how recent it is and if i could just revert hm2 in my git tree
[10:21:29] <pcw_home> its pretty recent (last week or so)
[10:22:39] <tangentaudio> if that's the case i could probably roll back the whole tree, it's not critical for me to be bleeding edge
[10:29:31] <tangentaudio> is this the commit in question? http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commit;h=ac5345e61e2dba5b7fe367907e454326d15779ce
[10:30:30] <pcw_home> yep
[10:35:15] <heathmanc> could use some help with a 7i37 and a 5i20 Z probe
[10:39:06] <heathmanc> anyhow, my probe works, can see the pin in halmeter
[10:39:21] <heathmanc> during pnfconf i selected the z probe ladder
[10:39:37] <heathmanc> and in the HALUI section the MDI commands are there
[10:39:47] <heathmanc> I need to figure out how to invoke this
[10:44:13] <pcw_home> is the input pin wired to motion.probe.input ?
[10:44:30] <pcw_home> motion.probe-input
[10:45:00] <tangentaudio> i was able to take the patch from that commit and do patch -p1 --reverse to back it out
[10:45:14] <tangentaudio> for some reason the man page reverse patch failed, but who cares
[10:46:17] <tangentaudio> the pin mapping in dmesg looks correct, now it's on to ripping out the stuff to run my old spindle and get the new stuff in there
[10:46:37] <heathmanc> it is wired to the probe-in pin
[10:47:04] <heathmanc> i can bring up the halmeter and select probe-in
[10:47:15] <heathmanc> and watch it go false to true as it should
[10:47:34] <pcw_home> ok so a probe operation is invoked with G38.x
[10:48:04] <pcw_home> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G38-probe
[10:48:57] <heathmanc> so a g38.3 will invoke the halui commands and ladder?
[10:49:03] <heathmanc> this is on linuxcnc 2.5.3
[10:50:47] <pcw_home> I dont know anything about halui and ladder :-(
[10:51:22] <pcw_home> in a normal program or MDI a probe operation is invoked with G38
[10:51:34] <heathmanc> lol, ok.. this is for a touch off plate
[10:51:43] <heathmanc> z axis
[10:52:42] <cradek> I'd do that by O-call-ing a file containing the appropriate G38.2 and G10 gcodes
[10:52:59] <heathmanc> I'll take it anyway I can get it
[10:53:11] <heathmanc> the implementation is the problem
[10:53:22] <Tom_itx> tangentaudio that's my site but it's no longer accurate for newer xilinx versions
[10:56:38] <tangentaudio> tom_itx: no worries, it seems to be moot for now
[10:57:03] <Tom_itx> i will try to post the steps for 14 somewhere
[10:57:39] <tangentaudio> i was downloading 9.2 but i decided to bail on it
[10:58:18] <CHNCguy> does anyone have any experience with loading gladevcp subroutines?
[10:58:25] <pcw_home> You probably dont want 9.2 anyway (unless you have Spartan2 FPGAs)
[11:01:47] <tangentaudio> i think the 7i43 is a spartan iii
[11:02:18] <Tom_itx> yeah by the time you finish downloading 14 ... (sometime next week) maybe i'll have some notes on it
[11:02:31] <tangentaudio> sounds about right
[11:03:36] <tangentaudio> i need to jar my memory to see if i can remember what it was i wanted to add
[11:10:17] <tangentaudio> i've got axis motion on 2.6.0~pre!
[11:11:18] <tangentaudio> roughly integrated with my new vfd code
[11:23:46] <CHNCguy> Can anyone help me get a gladevcp to work?
[11:24:55] <archivist> ask the real question in irc, none of us know till then
[11:29:16] <CHNCguy> ok
[11:29:34] <CHNCguy> im trying to get these 'features' developed by a russian developer to work
[11:29:39] <CHNCguy> heres the link
[11:29:45] <CHNCguy> https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[11:30:12] <CHNCguy> my issue is that with me being so new to linux, some of his explinations are vague, can anyone step by step help me.
[11:31:40] <archivist> I thought you were using ngcgui, there is support for that
[11:31:41] <CHNCguy> he first says move everything to /usr/share/pyshared/gladevcp/
[11:32:00] <CHNCguy> im using axis, and this is supposedly an addon or stand alone
[11:33:11] <CHNCguy> ngcgui is axis correct?
[11:33:15] <archivist> getting known stuff working first rather than bleeding edge
[11:33:51] <CHNCguy> Im not sure I follow ur reference....
[11:33:54] <CHNCguy> I got my motors working
[11:34:05] <CHNCguy> Don't have field power right now, will later
[11:34:23] <archivist> do you have the stuff jt told you about working yet
[11:34:27] <CHNCguy> but while im sitting here I would like to get these features to work in axis
[11:34:32] <CHNCguy> yes I do
[11:34:42] <CHNCguy> changed the subfile and they all worked
[11:35:15] <archivist> then that should be the same/similar as the russian stuff no need for both probably
[11:35:28] <CHNCguy> I don't want JT, I want the russian guys
[11:35:43] <CHNCguy> I can just delete the .ini lines
[11:35:56] <CHNCguy> JT did a great job, but I like the look and feel of the russians
[11:36:01] <archivist> none of us in here know that stuff though
[11:36:03] <CHNCguy> (At least from his video ;O)
[11:36:29] <CHNCguy> so no one ever uses gladevcp?
[11:36:44] <CHNCguy> it comes standard in the linuxcnc setup, even manuals for how to edit them
[11:38:22] <skunkworks> it is relatively new to linuxcnc. You will probably get better response on the forum...
[11:38:35] <skunkworks> you could ask in his thread
[11:39:07] <CHNCguy> I have, yet have not heard back from him for a few weeks, yet he explains how to install it here...https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[11:39:21] <CHNCguy> perhaps someone can try to install it and see if it works for them?
[11:39:50] <IchGuckLive> hi CHNCguy all ok
[11:40:08] <CHNCguy> hey Guck :D
[11:40:18] <CHNCguy> still trying to get this gladevcp to work https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[11:40:22] <CHNCguy> wanna help out? :D
[11:41:05] <IchGuckLive> why glade not pyvcp this is easy to use and meeds your need
[11:41:37] <IchGuckLive> see page 92... in the integreader manual
[11:41:48] <CHNCguy> i dont have a preference, but this russian guy made a great looking feature interface and I wanted to try it
[11:42:17] <IchGuckLive> look at mine
[11:48:24] <CHNCguy> So how would I do this:
[11:48:25] <CHNCguy> Move everything to /usr/share/pyshared/gladevcp/ Or better create links there:
[11:48:26] <CHNCguy> cd /usr/share/pyshared/gladevcp/
[11:48:26] <CHNCguy> sudo ln /full-path-to-git-repository/features.py -s
[11:48:26] <CHNCguy> sudo ln /full-path-to-git-repository/features.glade -s
[11:48:26] <CHNCguy> sudo ln /full-path-to-git-repository/subroutines -s
[11:48:32] <CHNCguy> sorry so many spaces***
[11:48:43] <CHNCguy> How do i create links?
[11:49:05] <CHNCguy> i have tried to type this in terminal but I get an error
[11:50:43] <IchGuckLive> gladevcp is in the 2.5.3
[11:50:52] <IchGuckLive> you dont need to compile
[11:51:29] <CHNCguy> I have 2.0.0 I installed linux from the live cnc
[11:51:51] <CHNCguy> at least thats what I think I have LOL
[11:52:02] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.0
[11:52:06] <IchGuckLive> you got
[11:53:33] <CHNCguy> ok, I remember u said to update, which I will tomorrow, i just didnt know if I could get it to work with my setup here
[11:53:37] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: so your lathe is running what has been the hint yesterday
[11:55:18] <archivist> you need to update first, else wasting time and effort
[11:55:27] <CHNCguy> the fix was the step timing, all parameters needed to be at 2800
[11:56:02] <CHNCguy> archivist, when I update, will it delete all my files? Never updated linux yet
[11:56:15] <archivist> no it wont
[11:56:52] <CHNCguy> What is the process for updating?
[11:57:21] <IchGuckLive> idid get advice yesterday
[11:57:28] <IchGuckLive> to you
[11:57:49] <archivist> the update manager will prompt you for the main os stuff, you need to change the repository url for linuxcnc to be updated
[11:58:33] <CHNCguy> Yes I remember you mentioning i need an update, don't have internet to that comp until tomorrow, wanted to play with what I could till then
[11:58:45] <CHNCguy> how do u access the update manager?
[11:59:08] <CHNCguy> The last time I plugged the ethernet to the linux pc nothing popped up for updates
[11:59:43] <archivist> it fires up automatically and will add a tab on the bottom
[12:00:20] <archivist> I know this having a newly installed cd running in the next room
[12:00:57] <archivist> you can also get to it via a menu
[12:02:20] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:02:24] <CHNCguy> is it under administration software sources?
[12:02:50] <IchGuckLive> deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid v2.5_branch-rt
[12:02:52] <IchGuckLive> deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid v2.5_branch-rt
[12:02:54] <IchGuckLive> put this lines in
[12:03:10] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get update
[12:03:16] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get install linuxcnc
[12:03:22] <IchGuckLive> DONE SMILE
[12:03:57] <CHNCguy> i typed that gedit in popped up a box which I can not edit
[12:04:02] <CHNCguy> readonly
[12:04:27] <skunkworks> sudo gedit..
[12:04:56] <skunkworks> (this could all be done through the synaptic gui also)
[12:05:08] <CHNCguy> Thanks skunk
[12:06:05] <IchGuckLive> Someone got a free android app for STEP view
[12:06:41] <IchGuckLive> om3dcad has no color within step
[12:07:41] <CHNCguy> linuxcnc is like a new language to me LOL
[12:12:46] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: so you now got the new one
[12:19:27] <CHNCguy> i wont be able to update till tomorrow,
[12:20:02] <CHNCguy> so lets say for example I have the update, how would I install these features? https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[12:22:41] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: procedure is on the git side itself
[12:23:45] <CHNCguy> so heres the thing, I see the procedure, but half of the things he says to do, I have no idea how to do ;)
[12:24:03] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: i think y<ou will soon reinstall all as your features will kill the system !!
[12:26:50] <CHNCguy> Im not sure I am following you Guck.......if I install features it will kill inux? Why?
[12:42:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370729400325?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 ~$3K
[12:43:53] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/JONES-LAMSON-TNC210A-COMBI-CNC-CHUCKER-TW237-/00/s/Mzk5WDYwMA==/$T2eC16FHJIYE9qUcNTrIBQ5%29eNPh0w~~60_3.JPG anyone recognize the tool holders?
[12:45:26] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/JONES-LAMSON-TNC210A-COMBI-CNC-CHUCKER-TW237-/00/s/Mzk5WDYwMA==/$T2eC16NHJGQE9noMZGd5BQ5%29eMG,5w~~60_3.JPG
[13:00:08] <tangentaudio> off to play in the snow for a while. thanks for the help!
[13:00:29] <IchGuckLive> tangentaudio: does all work
[13:00:38] <IchGuckLive> the 7i43
[13:01:06] <tangentaudio> yes, i backed out a change that andy pugh made a couple weeks ago and that fixed it
[13:01:30] <IchGuckLive> good to know
[13:01:47] <tangentaudio> he had some development code in there for table-driven stepgen, and it breaks normal 2 pin step/dir operation it seems
[13:06:40] <pcw_home> It only breaks configs that have more than 2 pins per stepgen so it probably was not noticed
[13:13:00] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: greetings for the new compile tonight for HM2
[13:25:41] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[13:44:26] <jthornton> CHNCguy, you need to learn Russian to get help on the cnc-club
[14:14:42] <CHNCguy> hey hey
[14:14:54] <CHNCguy> haha damn, google translator? HAHA
[14:15:19] <CHNCguy> Well ichgucklive recommended that I get the master 2.6
[14:15:23] <CHNCguy> any merit in that?
[14:43:50] <jthornton> dunno, but I did remember a guy on the forum is cnc-club his name is Nick IIRC. So you might ask on the forum...
[14:46:08] <andypugh> I just realised, I have spent all weekend making stuff on the mill with the Y-axis scale wrong (5.08mm pitch leadcrew, set up for 5mm pitch)
[14:46:36] <andypugh> Luckily nothing that I made was critical in that dimension.
[14:48:22] <pcw_home> new ballscrew an improvement?
[14:51:30] <CHNCguy> this is probably a dumb question but does mastercam have a post processor that will work with linuxcnc lathe?
[14:52:26] <jthornton> I'm sure it does if you have the lathe package and I assume you need a lathe package
[14:52:45] <jthornton> why would you want to use mastercam for a lathe?
[14:53:13] <CHNCguy> just curious
[14:53:13] <CaptHindsight> could be worse, you could be using mach and losing steps in Z and cutting into the table when you you thought you had 0.020" clearance
[14:53:23] <jthornton> lol
[14:53:27] <CHNCguy> haha true true hindsight LOL
[14:53:41] <jthornton> CHNCguy, did you get ngcgui working?
[14:54:08] <CHNCguy> I got yours working except it pops up and cant find the radius.ngc
[14:54:33] <jthornton> is it in the directory?
[14:54:54] <CHNCguy> its actually not in your zip, i didnt see it
[14:55:08] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/subroutines/
[14:55:29] <jthornton> probability added it after I made the zip
[14:55:46] <CHNCguy> yup there it is LOL
[14:55:49] <jthornton> the ones in that link are the latest ones fresh from my CHNC
[14:56:14] <CHNCguy> your profile graphic is a little small, is this the same for u?
[14:56:21] <CHNCguy> cant read print at all
[14:57:00] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/subroutines/profilerad.gif
[14:57:04] <jthornton> that one?
[14:57:24] <CHNCguy> yup
[14:57:25] <andypugh> pcw_home: Very much so, yes.
[15:01:49] * jthornton just updated the link on the Hardinge page to point to the new files locations
[15:18:45] <jthornton> new Python Glade Gtk tutorial http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[15:18:47] <jthornton> bbl
[15:20:07] <andypugh> That took some finding. I remembered that the workshop at Leed would CNC-turn tensile test specimens all in one setup using a metalworking version of a woodturning drive-dog. Apparently the phrase used for such systems is "constant face". I wonder why that is what they are called? Here is an example. http://www.roehm.biz/fileadmin/products/media/en/DC0000309.PDF
[15:20:28] <andypugh> I am wondering if parts of a modular counterboring system would work.
[15:29:50] <somenewguy> so I am thinking about springing for a VFD for my tiny desktop mill, but I will size it for the real sized bridgeport or equivalent I expect to buy in the next 1-3 years
[15:30:03] <somenewguy> can I expect good control running say a 1/2 hp motor with a 3hp VFD?
[15:31:06] <somenewguy> 3hp sounds like enough for me, this is a hobby shop that I hope to turn into a tiny jobshop kinda deal on the side, but deff not a production/pro shop
[15:31:26] <somenewguy> I just can't find any info that says if it is good idea to run a tiny motor with a large VFD
[15:32:46] <CHNCguy> well....
[15:32:58] <CHNCguy> single phase 120v input right?
[15:33:08] <somenewguy> single 240
[15:33:12] <CHNCguy> ok
[15:33:19] <somenewguy> probably on a 50 amp breaker
[15:33:22] <CHNCguy> I have used ac lenze vfds with great success
[15:33:49] <CHNCguy> no use rating a vfd higher then ur application unless u plan on upgrading the motor
[15:34:05] <somenewguy> well I do plan on upgradeing the whole machine
[15:34:06] <CHNCguy> U can get a 1hp vfd for cheap, 3hp starting to get expensive
[15:34:16] <somenewguy> so I don't want to have to replace my VFD when I upgrade
[15:34:53] <somenewguy> I was looking at GS2 series stuff, and the price does jump, but its not like a 1/2 hp model iss free, so I figure spend once
[15:35:18] <CHNCguy> well u can get away with a 7.5hp ac lenze vfd for about 500$, it takes 240 single in and outputs single and 3 phase out if you want, when u upgrade, its gonna be 3phase most likely
[15:38:01] <somenewguy> actually it looks like 3hp is as big as 240 single phase gests
[15:38:29] <somenewguy> at least on what I can find, do you have am odel name for what you are talking about? I'm on the lenze website now
[15:42:27] <andypugh> Are you sure that you will want to disable the mini-mill when you have the Bridgeport? I would say that you might as well get the right-sized VFD for the Mini, then the right one for the BP.
[15:43:24] <somenewguy> probably can't afford to keep both, since I am waiting to buy the mill till after I buy a house lol
[15:43:59] <somenewguy> I'll be able to put the original motor back onto the mini mill and resell it pretty easy I would hope, but you have a decent point
[15:44:08] <somenewguy> best case scenario: I lose both my
[15:44:26] <somenewguy> real jobs and am forced to take up "building junk for other people" as a full time job and can justify all the toys on my wishlist
[15:45:43] <CHNCguy> sorry back now ;)
[15:46:01] <CHNCguy> true I agree with andy
[15:46:03] <somenewguy> but with the shear cost of converting a manual mill to CNC, I am not too optomistic
[15:46:20] <somenewguy> well I can always buy a small VFD when I get the bridgeport, now that I think of it!
[15:46:28] <somenewguy> so I'm not painting myself into a corner lol
[15:47:15] <CHNCguy> well here is something I have learned from converting lots of machine (my first one is linuxcnc I am doing now, but in the past with mach 3) make a machine, make parts, make money, then grow
[15:48:03] <CHNCguy> I have built 2 companies from the ground up, if you want to get bigger and afford more toys, start producing now, then a 500$ vfd would be nothing in the retrospect that you just made 4k for maching 2 parts with ur bridgeport
[15:48:26] <CHNCguy> but.....
[15:48:42] <CHNCguy> up to you, but have fun! :D
[15:53:58] <somenewguy> hah I hear you
[15:54:52] <somenewguy> currently one of my jobs really is .my. company, but I don't do any of the real buisness decision making, and we don't produce a product as much as develop it, hence the tools I have right now
[15:55:11] <somenewguy> I only work so I can buy tools lol (and old cars, which give me another excuse to buy tools)
[15:55:19] <somenewguy> I suffer from a mild case of "the knack" it would seem
[15:55:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_623_623 anyone have experience with these as a finger brake?
[15:55:38] <CHNCguy> haha same ;)
[15:55:55] <somenewguy> it works ok ish
[15:56:03] <somenewguy> wait no, not that one, sorry
[15:56:21] <CaptHindsight> vs a real brake like http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROPER-WHITNEY-PEXTO-24-FINGER-BRAKE-DIACRO-TENNSMITH-SHEET-METAL-APRON-BREAK-/221319536426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3387ac1f2a
[15:56:58] <somenewguy> I used the HF version, which worked good enough, but the roller was a very sad endevour
[15:57:10] <somenewguy> do you need to use it once a month or once a week?
[15:57:17] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to just make my own control cabinets vs what we pay for off the shelf
[15:57:48] <CaptHindsight> heh, gather dust for 6 months , then 100 cabinets
[15:57:54] <somenewguy> oh
[15:57:56] <somenewguy> yeah
[15:58:05] <somenewguy> you may want to stick to CL or ebay for a real unit
[15:58:31] <CaptHindsight> the Jet units just don't look like they would hold up for long
[15:58:51] <CaptHindsight> or the others at NorthernTool
[15:58:54] <somenewguy> but if your time isn't super valuable, it will work, I just think your time could be better spent, and the corners aren't super crisp, but I didn't use it too much
[15:59:18] <somenewguy> it won't just fall apart in your hands tho, you just gotta tweak it a bit and learn to massage it right, if its like the HF model
[15:59:28] <CaptHindsight> 25 ton 8' press brake for only $2500
[16:00:01] <CaptHindsight> why spend $900 for manual Jet?
[16:01:09] <CaptHindsight> trying to find a nice TIG for aluminum sheet up to 8ga
[16:02:02] <CaptHindsight> can't decide between Syncrowave or Dynasty
[16:02:50] <somenewguy> I've heard ppl who love thier syncrowaves, but thats as far as my input goes there
[16:03:20] <somenewguy> I own a TIG that is 25 years older than me, so not much help there
[16:03:23] <CaptHindsight> they are very popular
[16:03:34] <CaptHindsight> lots of older HF units on ebay
[16:03:44] <somenewguy> I would check out weldweb or weldingweb for better info
[16:03:46] <somenewguy> ehhhh
[16:03:51] <somenewguy> I would NEVER use a HF welder
[16:03:55] <somenewguy> and I am a cheap bastard
[16:03:59] <CaptHindsight> heh
[16:04:00] <jdh> heh... high freq
[16:04:20] <somenewguy> half my shop is HF, but still I have had horrible experience with even older craftsman welders and will no longer buy anything but the big three
[16:04:25] <somenewguy> hobart lincoln and
[16:04:27] <somenewguy> uhhh
[16:04:29] <somenewguy> miller
[16:04:35] <jdh> does HF have any AC TIG?
[16:04:54] <somenewguy> however I have heard TIG machines from off brands are actually pretty decent machines, and I have heard that from ppl I trust on the issue
[16:05:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miller-Shopmaster-300-Welder-TIG-MIG-Stick-HF-Unit-Torch-Cooler-MIG-Feeder-/190998747082?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item2c786997ca
[16:05:06] <somenewguy> but still not gonna waste my money on a HF
[16:05:10] <CaptHindsight> ^^ MIller HF
[16:05:22] <somenewguy> hahahahah
[16:05:31] <somenewguy> sorry
[16:05:57] <CaptHindsight> not the Harbor :)
[16:06:08] <somenewguy> had me scared for a while there
[16:06:18] <somenewguy> I recently failed to talk a friend out of buying a HF mig welder
[16:06:27] <somenewguy> I am not gonna be answering his calls when he wants help later...
[16:06:56] <CaptHindsight> in China the mindset is that you want a welder you can carry on a scooter and lasts for 1 year
[16:07:00] <somenewguy> I 'learned' on one of those machines, the guy teaching me told me it was decent
[16:07:10] <jdh> 20% duty cycle
[16:07:16] <CaptHindsight> so there are lots of units under $300 US
[16:07:50] <somenewguy> I still have no idea really how to TIG, stainleiss is a PITA, but I'll get it eventually
[16:08:02] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I have an old Solar MIG like that, good for sheet metal
[16:08:10] <somenewguy> all I have learned is I am glad I did not sell the water cooled setup that came w/ the rig
[16:08:13] <CaptHindsight> low duty cycle
[16:08:34] <CaptHindsight> yeah, lots of the older water cooled units around
[16:08:37] <somenewguy> esp in my unheated shop, when its below 40 degs, its nice to have a welding CABLE not a welding ROD on the back of the torch head lol
[16:08:57] <CaptHindsight> the syncros tend to sell for near the price of new around here
[16:10:39] <somenewguy> where are you at?
[16:10:47] <CaptHindsight> Chicago
[16:15:04] <CaptHindsight> Miller HF251D for $500
[16:15:15] <CaptHindsight> must have some issues
[16:15:55] <jdh> anyone have a cnc3020 router?
[16:24:33] <somenewguy> I bet it does
[16:24:57] <somenewguy> mine doesn't have any solid state electronics in it, so I felt confident if it worked, it worked period lol
[16:25:11] <somenewguy> the fact it has selenium diodes instead of vacuum tubes is a selling point tho
[16:25:41] <somenewguy> sticky pedal turned out to be the only real big issue, along w/ some minor customizations done to make it use a modern pedal
[16:28:05] <CaptHindsight> but don't audiophiles still prefer tubes over "Silicon Diodes" :)
[16:28:45] <pcw_home> Better welding fidelity
[16:29:09] <t12> warmer mids
[16:29:18] <Deejay> gn8
[16:29:24] <t12> fine weld structure more aesthetically pleasing
[16:30:07] <CaptHindsight> now I wonder if Monster also makes $1000 welding cables
[16:31:19] <somenewguy> haha
[16:31:36] <CaptHindsight> it was Denon with the way overpriced cables
[16:31:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[16:33:04] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I have one of those shear/brake/rolls. It's OK for folding, but the shear only really does thin material.
[16:33:14] <andypugh> And I dodn't pay $700
[16:34:14] <andypugh> http://www.axminster.co.uk/750mm-sheet-metal-worker Oh! Perhaps I dis!
[16:34:18] <andypugh> (did)
[16:46:49] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any ideas for a polisher for the end of polymer lighguides? maybe 1 x 2cm
[16:46:58] <CaptHindsight> light guides
[16:47:56] <andypugh> One-off or industrial?
[16:48:08] <CaptHindsight> industrial
[16:48:39] <andypugh> Maybe abrasive (diamond?) then a final flame polish?
[16:48:53] <CaptHindsight> thinking about making good enough to actually shape optics
[16:49:07] <CaptHindsight> light guide with lens on the end
[16:49:47] <CaptHindsight> then again some optics that work well enough are cheap
[16:49:47] <andypugh> I did a one-off thing (laser clock) and getting the right surface finish is a challenge.
[16:50:58] <uw> laser clock?
[16:51:09] <uw> wheres pictures of that i want to se
[16:51:41] <CaptHindsight> I'm working on inkjetting the photopolymer well enough to make a lens, but I need to polish something now
[16:55:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkYeJzuR1w eyeglass polishers are just edgers
[16:56:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LbdlK6twO8 this looks familiar for grinding lenses
[16:56:59] <andypugh> uw: It needed a flatter wall: http://www.atp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BigHand.jpg
[16:57:21] <CaptHindsight> nice
[16:58:03] <andypugh> I should try it again with steppers and a custom circuit rather than trying to use a standard clock mechanism.
[16:58:34] <uw> lol that looks pretty cool andypugh!
[16:58:36] <uw> honestly
[16:58:41] <andypugh> All done with concentric glass tubes: http://www.atp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CanYouTellWhatItIsYet.jpg
[16:59:13] <andypugh> Ideally it would be mounted in the wall, rather than in a frying pan, but that was a rented house :-)
[16:59:27] <uw> is that a frying pan
[17:00:08] <somenewguy> what material? MEK or acetone polishing is failrly simple if you are smart
[17:00:26] <uw> lol yes it is i didnt see your post before i posted
[17:02:05] <CaptHindsight> somenewguy: I want to contour not just polish smooth. I make the polymers
[17:02:16] <CaptHindsight> epoxies and urethanes btw
[17:03:02] <somenewguy> ah, well out my league, I was thinking you wanted to just round em off then make them optically clear again
[17:03:40] <CaptHindsight> cnc lens grinder
[17:25:17] <Tom_itx> pcw_home is there any reason to use older webpacks now like 9.2 etc?
[17:26:07] <Tom_itx> and
[17:26:21] <Tom_itx> would someone care to critique this for accuracy: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[17:27:26] <pcw_home> only for spartan2 (5I20, 4I65)
[17:27:39] <Tom_itx> well, i'll leave the old one up then
[17:30:14] <jthornton> well I wish I knew what I was reading
[17:30:27] <Tom_itx> try it once then you will
[17:30:50] <jthornton> lol, been diving into Python Glade and Gtk the last few days
[17:30:57] <jthornton> I have a new tutorial
[17:31:20] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[17:31:34] <jthornton> learned a lot lately about all that stuff
[17:32:24] <Mr_Mayhem> Your stuff was the only tutorial that worked for me, thanks. I was setting up my Mesa cards, 5i25, 7i76.
[17:32:38] <jthornton> your welcome
[17:33:17] <Mr_Mayhem> We need more of that kind of thing, short, concise, step by steps. Good stuff.
[17:33:42] <Mr_Mayhem> I want to update Linuxcnc from 2.5.0 to 2.5.3. My cnc computer is offline. Is there a way to update via usb dongle by copying the necessary files to my cnc computer from my windows laptop? What files would I need to get? Without recompiling stuff? I can bring the cnc computer online, but it's a pain.
[17:33:43] <jthornton> I'm actually working on a 5i25 configuration wizard that should be as easy if not easier than the Stepconf Wizard
[17:33:56] <jthornton> let me get you the link
[17:34:06] <CHNCguy> welcome back mrmayhem got ur spindle to work?
[17:34:16] <Mr_Mayhem> Cool. Get the spindle control stuff in there, that's where I got stuck after the basics.
[17:34:53] <Mr_Mayhem> Well, I forum to Chris, and he said update to 2.5.3 and it should fit it.
[17:36:03] <Mr_Mayhem> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/27052-5i257i76-spindle-and-encoder-setup down at the bottom is my msg last night to chris and his reply.
[17:36:51] <jthornton> Mr_Mayhem, this is a clue http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InstallingUpdates#On_Ubuntu_without_an_internet_connection
[17:37:11] <jthornton> deb's are here http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[17:37:20] <Mr_Mayhem> Thanks.
[17:37:48] <CHNCguy> yup i have to update also Mr_Mayhem ;) gonna do it tomorrow ;D
[17:37:49] <jthornton> well actually here http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/
[17:38:08] <Mr_Mayhem> So for a complete linux newbie, almost anyway, I download what again, the binaries I suppose?
[17:38:27] <CHNCguy> lol this is where I was stuck
[17:38:34] <jthornton> the deb
[17:38:37] <CHNCguy> u have to go into terminal and load a file
[17:38:48] <jthornton> if you can string a line to your computer that is the easy way
[17:39:30] <CHNCguy> how do u 'string' a line?
[17:39:51] <jthornton> well you tie it to a pole and unreel it
[17:39:52] <Mr_Mayhem> I see. does the deb require a compile sequence, or a pile of commands to make it go? Maybe I will become a wire stringer today. :-)
[17:40:00] <CHNCguy> lol
[17:40:06] <jthornton> no just one command in the termial
[17:40:10] <andypugh> Well, it's got to be wet string, or the ethernet signals can't make it all the way.
[17:40:18] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InstallingUpdates#On_Ubuntu_without_an_internet_connection
[17:40:24] <jthornton> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[17:40:43] <Mr_Mayhem> oh, that's not too bad so far.
[17:41:27] <jthornton> so if you get http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/v2.5_branch-rt/binary-i386/linuxcnc-doc-en_2.5.3.78.g5901d68_all.deb
[17:41:50] <jthornton> if your on lucid lucky duck or something like that 10.04 to me
[17:42:23] <jthornton> and install the package with the dpkg line that is it
[17:42:35] <Mr_Mayhem> Ok I am downloading it now. I was on the 10.4 2.5.0 live cd installed on the cnc computer hd.
[17:44:34] <Mr_Mayhem> Thanks, I will give that a go and see what I break, I mean, see what happens.
[17:48:24] <ju-emb> jthornton: How deep are you in the Python stuff?
[17:49:04] <jthornton> medium rare I think, why do you ask
[17:49:55] <ju-emb> we got LCNC working on 12.04 but that one has another Python libs
[17:50:11] <jthornton> and?
[17:50:40] <ju-emb> The hal widged's doesn't work for me on 12.04
[17:51:30] <ju-emb> so I think I have to go into it and adopt it to the new Python Philosophy of glade widged's
[17:51:59] <ju-emb> but I'm new to python too
[17:52:09] <jthornton> 12.04 uses Python 2.7?
[17:52:35] <ju-emb> let me check that
[17:52:38] <jthornton> I don't have 12.04 running anywhere it is butt ugly
[17:53:15] <ju-emb> not that much if you install gnome-session-fallback
[17:53:56] <ju-emb> with that package you have the same look and feel as before
[17:55:45] <ju-emb> I don't use unity on 12.04 it's as you say
[17:56:15] <cradek> xubuntu gives a fairly normal desktop
[17:57:15] <ju-emb> but it has a mouse on the screen
[18:10:45] <Mr_Mayhem> Quick dumb question: I think I updated using a deb file, but how do I tell what version of linuxcnc I have? The Gdebi updater says I have 2.5.3, but Axis says 2.5.0.
[18:13:26] <Mr_Mayhem> Synaptic Package Manager says 1.2.5.0, so I guess 2.5.0. Hmmm.
[18:15:11] <Mr_Mayhem> I ran $ sudo dpkg -i filename.deb, replaced filename.deb with the deb I downloaded for linuxcnc 2.5.3
[18:16:03] <Mr_Mayhem> That's it. It did a bunch of stuff in terminal, like it ran, but the versions don't jive.
[18:25:11] <Mr_Mayhem> To recap in a more clear manner, I ran $ sudo dpkg -i linuxcnc-doc-en_2.5.3.78.g5901d68_all.deb on the downloaded deb file from http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/v2.5_branch-rt/binary-i386/. But how do I tell if I have 2.5.3, especially since the version of Aixis is 2.5.0 still, and so is linuxcnc version within Synaptic Package Manager? The deb installer app suggests I installed the
[18:25:12] <Mr_Mayhem> deb to 2.5.3. and has a reinstall button.
[18:27:38] <Mr_Mayhem> I guess I need to run some ethernet and try it the automatic way.
[18:30:48] <Mr_Mayhem> Oh, that was the doc updates, not the application. Doh.
[18:33:16] <jthornton> opps sorry
[18:33:37] <jthornton> well at least you have the latest docs now
[18:33:54] <Tom_itx> must be the night for making tutorials
[18:34:18] <Mr_Mayhem> hehe
[18:34:33] <Mr_Mayhem> I think it's right now...
[18:34:46] <jthornton> and cleaning up old tutorials
[18:35:16] <Tom_itx> who was it the other day wanting to mod a bitfile for the 5i25?
[18:35:51] <Tom_itx> i could check the logs but i'm too lazy
[18:36:18] <Mr_Mayhem> The version is now 2.5.3 everywhere. I can hear the angels singing...
[18:36:47] <jthornton> YEA!
[18:36:52] <Tom_itx> 2.6 will be here soon
[18:36:57] <Tom_itx> don't get too excited
[18:37:04] <jthornton> I smell chicken and dumplins
[18:38:55] <Mr_Mayhem> Not to make a whole other topic, but since you folks are around, does the Beagle Board Black have legs, or just a gimmick? I thought it was so cool to run the whole shebang from a device the size of a pack of cigarettes for pocket change. Do the pulsegens perform well enough on that device?
[18:39:29] <Tom_itx> i've seen it run lcnc on a reprap
[18:39:42] <Tom_itx> hammond mfg has made a plastic case for it
[18:39:50] <Mr_Mayhem> I'd like a PGA Mesa board "cape" for a BBB.
[18:40:08] <Mr_Mayhem> FPGA, not PGA, hehe.
[18:40:42] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what interfaces the bbb has
[18:41:20] <Tom_itx> i don't and probably won't own one any time soon
[18:41:46] <Mr_Mayhem> It has a pile of in/out pins, and it has some kind of realtime clock with an api for it.
[18:41:48] <CaptHindsight> BBB has SPI that is fast enough
[18:41:55] <andypugh> Mr_Mayhem: You can buy a complete ready-to-go LinuxCNC box based around the BBB: http://webshop.juve.ro/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_4&products_id=2&zenid=TprJQSvrjfdPTUT-rAyY00
[18:42:35] <Mr_Mayhem> I plan on doing so, if only for the novelty of having such a cool little linuxcnc system.
[18:42:55] <CaptHindsight> http://webshop.juve.ro/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=1 €22.00 for just the cape
[18:42:56] <Mr_Mayhem> I will run on Mesa, but that stunt impressed me.
[18:44:05] <andypugh> With the right code in the RTU the BBB could probably drive the 7i76 and friends.
[18:44:10] <CaptHindsight> Mr_Mayhem: that cape gets you a parallel port to connect to a Mesa FPGA card
[18:44:37] <Mr_Mayhem> Oh, that is so cool. That would dominate.
[18:44:44] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I am not sure the cape is an EPP parport, I think it is Parport-format GPIO.
[18:45:03] <CaptHindsight> yeah, not true EPP
[18:45:27] <andypugh> The 7i43 needs proper (byte-buffering) EPP.
[18:45:50] <CaptHindsight> I forget how slow it can go
[18:46:21] <andypugh> Anyway, sleep tim ehere.
[18:46:22] <CaptHindsight> pcw mentioned something about changing the EPP a few weeks ago
[18:46:29] <CaptHindsight> g-nite
[18:46:43] <pcw_home> It probably could do EPP though SPI is likely faster since there is buffered SPI hardware on the BBB
[18:47:52] <pcw_home> (we have a cubieboard FPGA daughtercard that uses SPI but have not played with it yet)
[18:47:59] <pcw_home> 7I91
[18:51:06] <Mr_Mayhem> BBB with Mesa would just rock. Very cool. Have a little hdmi touch screen, yeah.
[18:51:47] <Tom_L> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=1593HAMBONETBU
[18:51:51] <Tom_L> not bad for 6 bucks
[18:52:17] <Mr_Mayhem> nice.
[18:52:50] <pcw_home> we might consider a BBB cape but I wonder about the longevity of the BBB (and similar vendor subsidized dev cards)
[18:53:04] <CaptHindsight> http://shop.dmp.com.tw/INT/products-517 how about x86 in an arduino footprint?
[18:53:20] <Tom_itx> i think i saw that the other day
[18:53:36] <CaptHindsight> then you could use all the crappy reprap expansion boards
[18:53:58] <pcw_home> similar to the Intel Galileo
[18:54:10] <Tom_itx> err maybe it was the intel one i saw
[18:54:33] <micges> probably 7i43 could work with cape_parport for bbb
[18:54:41] <CaptHindsight> http://arduino.cc/en/ArduinoCertified/IntelGalileo
[18:54:55] <Tom_itx> http://hammondmfg.com/1593HAM.htm
[18:55:03] <Tom_itx> there's the various boards they have enclosed
[18:55:04] <Mr_Mayhem> The head cheese on the beagle website says the card is guranteed to be available for 10 years under the agreements of the project.
[18:55:51] <micges> http://webshop.juve.ro/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=1&zenid=zuKaczEd8ZFBt0zjbrtnB2
[18:57:07] <CaptHindsight> it really figures that the duinos would choose the x86 without coreboot support and crappy graphics
[18:58:00] <pcw_home> Its easy to say it will be available for any length of time with no guarantee
[18:58:16] <Mr_Mayhem> http://beagleboard.org/brief
[18:58:40] <Mr_Mayhem> down near the bottom. "A purchase link for a Beagle will always be available on BeagleBoard.org and we’ve set it up for each of the boards to be available for purchase for 10+ years. "
[18:59:02] <Mr_Mayhem> Whatever that means, yeah I understand.
[18:59:36] <pcw_home> Its very unlikely TI will even be able to make the same chips 10 years from now
[19:00:44] <Tom_itx> and if they dissappear there'll be nobody there to complain to
[19:01:50] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah, I agree. But I do know these are selling pretty hot, and the BBB mops the floor with the rasperry pi, performance and features wise. It's like a pi on steroids.
[19:02:00] <CaptHindsight> why do you need 10 year availability? Usually it's for medical certification where no changes to anything is allowed
[19:02:19] <Mr_Mayhem> I think it's open sourced hardware anyway.
[19:02:33] <Mr_Mayhem> They put the gerbers up.
[19:02:51] <Mr_Mayhem> and the list of components.
[19:03:27] <pcw_home> In 10 years the RAM will likely only be available in the gray market
[19:04:26] <pcw_home> The interface/cape spec may survive except its pretty random
[19:04:56] <pcw_home> as bad as S100 stuff (pinout defined by ASIC pins)
[19:06:25] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah, the pin mapping has lead to conflicts with video out in some cases. Folks have made re-routing header boards to solve it.
[19:06:36] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: did you guys warm back up yet there?
[19:06:52] <CaptHindsight> back down to 3F (-16C) here
[19:07:02] <pcw_home> Thats the basic problem with dev cards, they are not "platforms"
[19:07:27] <pcw_home> Yes its just cool (40 F)
[19:07:54] <pcw_home> maybe up to 60F daytime
[19:11:08] <Mr_Mayhem> I see a bunch of pci104 stuff on the Mesa website. Dumb question but is PCI 104 a platform that can run linuxcnc? I don't know where to start.
[19:13:22] <pcw_home> It can but CPUS are typically pretty expensive
[19:13:52] <Mr_Mayhem> More of a high-end kind of animal then?
[19:13:57] <pcw_home> probably best with mini--ITX for X86 platforms
[19:14:06] <Mr_Mayhem> I see.
[19:14:24] <pcw_home> used for industrial/avionics more
[19:14:44] <Jymmm> /msg pcw_home Question... Are you guys ever ging to come out with a FPGA card that is self-standing? (No computer needed)
[19:14:53] <jesseg> Jymmm, I think you spaced out
[19:15:03] <jesseg> :-D
[19:15:12] <pcw_home> I doubt it
[19:15:21] <Jymmm> No just just trying to not be off-topic in the channel
[19:15:37] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Ok. If you do, let me know.
[19:15:48] <pcw_home> Though we will have Zynq based FPGA cards
[19:16:01] <Jymmm> pcw_home: and that means...?
[19:16:15] <pcw_home> FPGA+ARM in one chip
[19:16:18] <jesseg> Jymmm, I was trying to make a pun. never mind :)
[19:16:40] <Jymmm> pcw_home: So, pc needed to "load" the fpga?
[19:16:51] <Jymmm> pcw_home: "headless" ?
[19:17:37] <pcw_home> many of our FPGA cards lod configs from local EEPROM
[19:17:43] <pcw_home> load
[19:17:52] <pcw_home> even the 7I43 can
[19:18:08] <Jymmm> pcw_home: But can't "offload" lcnc to it
[19:18:21] <Jymmm> pcw_home: the non-gui parts
[19:19:00] <Jymmm> ?
[19:19:30] <pcw_home> no its not practical to do this only on a FPGA
[19:19:44] <Mr_Mayhem> That's sort of the value I saw in the Beagle Board Black. Cheap and tiny and runs linuxcnc, just slap on the FPGA and some signal conditioning and it's a wrap.
[19:20:05] <pcw_home> though a Zynq can do it
[19:21:11] <CaptHindsight> Mr_Mayhem: http://www.zedboard.org/ still pricey for now
[19:21:58] <pcw_home> Yes and for a large set of things you dont need the FPGA with a BBB since the PRU
[19:21:59] <pcw_home> can do high speed stepgens and even fair encoder counters
[19:22:01] <Mr_Mayhem> Does that Microzed have a realtime clock?
[19:22:46] <CaptHindsight> it has an xtal and free gates so yes and no :)
[19:23:37] <Mr_Mayhem> hehe. I know the BBB has a realtime clock and a fancy system to make proper use of it.
[19:24:22] <Mr_Mayhem> I guess we will see even more of these tiny boards in the future.
[19:25:06] <Mr_Mayhem> But the BBB is the first to really get my attention for realtime.
[19:26:16] <CaptHindsight> http://cubieboard.org/ has a GPU to support the UI, the TI does not
[19:26:54] <pcw_home> Yeah and its a fair bit faster than the BBB
[19:26:56] <Tom_itx> pretty sure the creators of bbb were the same ones that did the hammer etc
[19:27:35] <Tom_itx> hang out in #edev iirc
[19:28:24] <pcw_home> I do think the broadcom chip on the RasPi is clever to have the RAM on top of the CPU
[19:31:24] <Mr_Mayhem> Will take a look at those other boards. I wish I knew more about how to program FPGAs. I want to get a cheap dev board kit to learn the basics, but there are so many to choose from. I bumped into FPGA design when looking at Software Defined Radios.
[19:32:06] <Mr_Mayhem> Most of it was not "hello world" stuff. I would be happy to blink an led! :)
[19:32:57] <CaptHindsight> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11158 Papilio One - 500K gayes
[19:33:04] <CaptHindsight> heh gates even
[19:33:29] <Tom_itx> digilent has some
[19:33:46] <Mr_Mayhem> Very nice!
[19:34:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.xess.com/
[19:34:45] <Tom_itx> that's been around a long time
[19:35:00] <Tom_itx> http://digilentinc.com/
[19:35:55] <Mr_Mayhem> Wow. Some great stuff, and not too expensive.
[19:36:29] <CaptHindsight> there's also an Altera board for ~$50
[19:37:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.altera.com/b/nios-bemicro-evaluation-kit.html
[19:37:59] <Mr_Mayhem> It would be nice to be able to get a basic version of the dev environments like Xilinx ISE or Altera whatever.
[19:38:08] <CaptHindsight> or just use your favorite Mesa FPGA card
[19:38:29] <Mr_Mayhem> hehe.
[19:38:33] <CaptHindsight> the web versions are free to download
[19:38:38] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[19:39:15] <Tom_itx> here's a very basic starter page: http://tutor.awce.com/pldx-1.htm
[19:41:49] <Mr_Mayhem> Thanks, I always looked at the FPGA stuff as so bad-ass, but never took the leap. I get some money this xmas, so I will dive in after my cnc driver box is up to speed.
[19:42:06] <Mr_Mayhem> I will save those links.
[19:44:31] <Mr_Mayhem> In hindsight, I wish I knew more about the Mesa FPGA cards sooner. They would have saved me headaches. You kind of have to dig a bit to realize, hey, for $210 plus shipping, I can get some really nice hardware.
[19:45:19] <Mr_Mayhem> And skip over the crappy output boards, esp the cheap chinese cards, man.
[19:51:08] <Mr_Mayhem> I think some of my purchase delay was caused by lack of clarity on how to make it all work. A concise blog kind of walkthrough would be nice. They are out there, but each has various missing elements, so you end up surfing all over to collect the pieces. I guess that is a natural consequence of linuxcnc being so flexible.
[19:51:34] <Mr_Mayhem> And open source in general.
[19:51:51] <Tom_itx> too many setups are different
[19:52:28] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah, "so which is valid for my situation", kind of thing.
[19:53:14] <Tom_itx> the nature of opensource.. you plan to do a bit of digging
[19:53:24] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah.
[19:53:43] <Tom_itx> and may reach a point of uncharted territory
[19:54:14] <Mr_Mayhem> Like columbus, fearful of falling off the edge of the world... hehe
[19:54:28] <Mr_Mayhem> Maps.
[19:56:18] <Mr_Mayhem> We need maps, more maps! Hehe. Like the matrix.
[19:57:38] <Mr_Mayhem> That microzed is pretty cool. Needs a closer look.
[19:58:19] <Mr_Mayhem> http://www.zedboard.org/
[19:59:51] <Mr_Mayhem> like $200 but is all about fpga.
[20:08:36] <CaptHindsight> the zedboards come with a new Vivado tools with everything preconfigured for the zed
[20:10:37] <CaptHindsight> http://zedboard.org/content/vivado-20132-download-and-install
[20:11:27] <CaptHindsight> http://zedboard.org/content/creating-base-zynq-design-vivado-ipi-20132
[20:11:38] <CaptHindsight> very easy to make blinkenlights
[20:11:59] <CaptHindsight> I just wished the zedboards had more IO's
[20:15:48] <pcw_home> Yeah same issue with parallela
[20:16:01] <pcw_home> only 24 I/O on base model
[20:17:11] <CaptHindsight> how do you like them otherwise?
[20:17:25] <CaptHindsight> sold out till Jan
[20:17:42] <CaptHindsight> haven't had time to play anyway
[20:17:52] <pcw_home> They seem OK but yeah they have had production problems
[20:18:08] <CaptHindsight> qc or?
[20:18:28] <CaptHindsight> management
[20:18:38] <pcw_home> I think part availability
[20:19:41] <pcw_home> some key part (PS related?) was dropped by the manufacturer
[20:19:51] <CaptHindsight> figures
[20:20:16] <pcw_home> its a 12 layer card so a fair pain to re-layout
[20:20:32] <pcw_home> or patch
[20:21:10] <CaptHindsight> I promised someone I'd make an open source PC racing wheel controller. Now I have to decide which hardware to use
[20:21:48] <CaptHindsight> needs a good force feedback motor
[20:21:55] <pcw_home> one of those steering wheel thingys?
[20:22:09] <CaptHindsight> yeah, but for serious gamers
[20:22:25] <CaptHindsight> pro drivers also use them
[20:23:13] <pcw_home> probably need gearing/belt as a torque motor would probably be too expensive
[20:24:14] <CaptHindsight> $200 for a motor would be fine
[20:24:34] <pcw_home> how much torque?
[20:24:40] <CaptHindsight> have to check my asian sources
[20:25:55] <pcw_home> you could get enough torque with a big outrunner but it would be hard to get rid of the torque ripple
[20:26:31] <CaptHindsight> it might add to the fun
[20:26:39] <CaptHindsight> jerky wheel
[20:27:13] <CaptHindsight> I think the games actually add wheel jitter when you hit bumps
[20:27:20] <pcw_home> well it would be better if that was controllable (gravel etc)
[20:27:28] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[20:29:11] <CaptHindsight> Tanner Foust and other pro drivers are actually online often, race with fans, promote the games etc
[20:29:56] <pcw_home> might see how existing ones work.
[20:29:58] <pcw_home> if you want the controller to do the motor current control you need a decent CPU
[20:29:59] <pcw_home> (maybe one of those dual core ARM ones so USB is handled by the I/O proc and motor control is separate)
[20:30:17] <CaptHindsight> maybe cubie
[20:30:53] <CaptHindsight> the problem with the current wheels are the belts and underpowered/cooled motors
[20:30:57] <pcw_home> I was thinking a low end (NXP) dual
[20:31:19] <pcw_home> scooter motor?
[20:31:33] <CaptHindsight> that would do it
[20:32:00] <CaptHindsight> low cost, plenty of torque
[20:32:01] <Tom_itx> wheelchair
[20:32:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/360430118675?lpid=82
[20:33:21] <CaptHindsight> 500w versions for ~$60
[20:34:09] <Mr_Mayhem> Sorry to barge in, after updating linuxcnc to 2.5.3, I am still trying to get my Mesa 7i76 to vary the spindle 10v signal out. in Pncconf, what should Analog Min, Analog Max, and Analog Max Scale be set to? My vfd provides like 13v into the 7i76. I have it wired to a digital voltmeter. Do I need axis 5 pulsegen to be set to spindle, or is that unnecessary and a seperate animal?
[20:35:42] <pcw_home> analog min= 0 analog max = maxRPM analog scale = maxRPM
[20:35:52] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[20:36:19] <CaptHindsight> 111236771562 36V 500W ebay brush controller 251389615964
[20:36:37] <pcw_home> spinena must be true to get any analog out
[20:37:42] <Mr_Mayhem> So, my max rpm is 24000 on the actual spindle. So use that for analog max and analog scale? And enable spinena. Hmmm. Is that done in the normal setup, or do I need to do something extra to enable spinena?
[20:38:08] <Mr_Mayhem> I guess click the button in axis?
[20:38:41] <Mr_Mayhem> Oh, no encoders are present, it's open loop.
[20:39:59] <pcw_home> it should be hooked up
[20:40:01] <pcw_home> If in doubt, when linuxcnc is running, type this at a terminal:
[20:40:02] <pcw_home> halcmd show pin > connections.txt
[20:40:29] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[20:40:44] <pcw_home> connections.txt will list all the pins and how the are connected
[20:41:06] <Mr_Mayhem> I see.
[20:41:15] <pcw_home> or if you want to see everything do halcmd show all
[21:08:48] <Tom_itx> pcw_home what are all the emptypin entries at the bottom of the .vhd files?
[21:10:03] <Tom_itx> is there a doc somewhere explaining the format?
[21:53:27] <Mr_Mayhem> Yay my spindle outputs work on my 7i76. Hmmmph. Now I have to make the VFD be set to obey the signals. I want to make modbus work too eventually just to prove it out, but I don't know if my VDF uses some wierd modbus protocol or is standard.
[21:55:15] <Mr_Mayhem> VFD, rather, not VDF, whatever that is.
[21:55:26] <jdh> Variable Direction Finder.
[21:55:48] <Mr_Mayhem> hehe, that was fast too. You qualify as mission scientist.
[21:55:57] <jdh> cool
[21:56:07] <jdh> can't come up with any useful device that fits though.
[21:56:13] <Mr_Mayhem> ha
[21:56:32] <jdh> a compass in an iron mine?
[21:56:54] <Mr_Mayhem> That would take the cake for useless devices, ha
[22:01:09] <t12> CaptHindsight: http://dodeca-t.com/photos/_7093151.jpg
[22:02:35] <Mr_Mayhem> Someone in here was planning to make a pro steering wheel for racing sim, with motor to provide realistic feel and feedback.
[22:03:18] <Mr_Mayhem> Oh, yeah CaptHindsight was.
[22:04:20] <Mr_Mayhem> A racing simulator on a hdtv 1080i projector is so epic. Esp if you have realistic controls.
[22:04:45] <Mr_Mayhem> And surround sound. hehe
[22:06:50] <Mr_Mayhem> I guess the road sim could have a data track to be translated into bumps on the wheel, etc, mixed with vehicle dynamics. Pretty neat.
[22:07:51] <t12> at some point its just cheaper to have the road and the car
[22:07:56] <Mr_Mayhem> Ha!
[22:08:22] <Tom_itx> or fleet the way some gamers drive
[22:09:03] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah, lots of totaled vehicles, lol.
[22:09:26] <t12> i photo'd a bunch of drift events
[22:09:32] <t12> sometimes they just bring multiple copies of the card
[22:09:34] <t12> cars
[22:09:53] <Tom_itx> will the force feedback swing a board up and smack em if they hit a tree?
[22:10:09] <Mr_Mayhem> Some budget there.
[22:10:27] <Mr_Mayhem> lol. Shock and awe realism.
[22:10:43] <Mr_Mayhem> Flames too. Test the hotsuit in the sim.
[22:11:09] <Tom_itx> ok i updated the bitfile tutorial a bit if someone wants to critique it
[22:11:52] <Mr_Mayhem> I will be happy to take a look. I qualify as clueless on flashing things.
[22:11:56] <t12> one company released a bunch of tires
[22:12:00] <t12> that burnout colored smoke
[22:12:34] <Mr_Mayhem> You can choose your tire smoke color in Grand Theft Auto 5. hehe
[22:13:15] <Mr_Mayhem> Total overkill but fun I guess.
[22:14:16] <Mr_Mayhem> Tom_itx, what is the link to the bitfile tutorial?
[22:14:42] <Mr_Mayhem> I assume it is for flashing Mesa Boards and whatnot?
[22:15:00] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[22:16:21] <Mr_Mayhem> ok, it brings up the xylinx ise design suite. I assume the web version?
[22:17:38] <Tom_itx> i assume it is
[22:17:42] <Tom_itx> it's a 6G download
[22:18:49] <Mr_Mayhem> ok, maybe put a link to the download page on the xylinx web site, assume we are clueless to a reasonable extent. :-)
[22:19:11] <Tom_itx> if you can't get that far, you may have no business editing them
[22:19:15] <Mr_Mayhem> Here? http://www.xilinx.com/support/download/index.html/content/xilinx/en/downloadNav/design-tools.html
[22:19:55] <Tom_itx> i may have had a link on my previous tutorial though
[22:19:57] <Tom_itx> for 9.2
[22:20:10] <Tom_itx> i'll check it tomorrow
[22:20:26] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[22:21:18] <Mr_Mayhem> So, the final bit file can ultimately go onto the mesa board fpga. I know, duh, but just verifying what I think I know.
[22:23:29] <Mr_Mayhem> I'd have to have a spare board I can afford to mess up before I try flashing. Very cool you can though. Maybe someone make a Mesa board work with a beagle board black.
[22:27:15] <tjtr33> pcw_home, re: the cubieboard fpga card , i only see a 7I80 mentioned and thats in the in the price list. any data sheets?
[22:32:02] <Mr_Mayhem> I read they are working to make the 7I80 work with linuxcnc. Ethernet I/O. I wonder how far along that is.
[22:33:09] <tjtr33> "<pcw_home> (we have a cubieboard FPGA daughtercard that uses SPI but have not played with it yet) 7I91 "
[22:49:02] <Tom_itx> Mr_Mayhem, i've done a couple custom bit files for mine
[22:50:14] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, thx for the link to your howto, reading now
[23:16:37] <Mr_Mayhem> Tom_itx yeah? It it pretty brickproof? As long as I knew what file to flash to get back home, maybe I would not need to worry so much.
[23:17:33] <Mr_Mayhem> I don't have a need to do any custom things yet, but knowing how interests me.
[23:20:41] <Mr_Mayhem> From my vantage point, it looks like a week of work to get familiar with the bare basics of flashing bitfiles and tweaking stuff on the fpga. It is very cool though that there is a tutorial for that now.
[23:21:02] <Mr_Mayhem> Nice work, yes.
[23:22:32] <Mr_Mayhem> I just took 3 days to get my spindle working, so tweaking an FPGA? Ha! No, but seriously I will go there eventually.
[23:42:29] <CaptHindsight> t12: nice shot, memleak (he updated the RTAI kernel) races him online all the time, they take it nearly as seriously as the real thing