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[01:14:26] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:47:18] <RyanS> are drill bits with fancy pants coatings, carbide etc generally for CNC production stuff?
[02:02:07] <mrsun_> hmm, the coatings etc makes life and stuff longer on the tools so i dont know why it would be only cnc production =)
[02:02:25] <mrsun_> carbide if you are working hard materials even in the little shop =)
[02:03:45] <_DJ_> moin
[02:06:58] <Loetmichel> *cough* have bought some cheap rechargeable AA batteries at ebay checked them for capacity... thats a bit less than expected:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14514
[02:09:08] <mrsun_> broken link
[02:09:22] <GuShH> works
[02:09:31] <mrsun_> nah its me that was le broken :P
[02:09:59] * GuShH is trying to avoid cleaning things up today
[02:10:05] <mrsun_> Loetmichel, hmm i do not understand? =)
[02:10:13] <mrsun_> does it "count" the batteries or what ?
[02:10:25] <mrsun_> ahh you have written something on them ?
[02:10:31] <GuShH> mrsun_: they measure a tenth of their rated capacity
[02:10:49] <GuShH> that's doing a discharge and charge cycle to measure the capacity
[02:10:52] <mrsun_> ahh there =)
[02:11:02] <mrsun_> haha
[02:11:08] <mrsun_> suckered like hell i guess =)
[02:11:10] <GuShH> and yeah don't buy cells from ebay
[02:11:19] <mrsun_> a tenth was the good case :P
[02:11:20] <GuShH> I got some lithium ion and they were half their rated capacity
[02:11:50] <GuShH> (they pull the cells out of old laptop battery packs and recalled equipment, then heatshrink them and resell)
[02:12:12] <GuShH> It's China and the western folk don't know any better.
[02:12:35] <GuShH> Gotta buy from actual physical stores instead.
[02:12:45] <GuShH> for nimh sony are ok, go to the sony center and grab a few packs.
[02:12:59] <GuShH> worst case scenario you know who to punch.
[02:13:14] <GuShH> I'm sorry but you get what you pay for sir.
[02:13:30] <GuShH> The wasted time fooling around with those bogus cells is wasted money.
[02:36:39] <Loetmichel> mrsun_: it charges them and discharges ... five times... and then presents me with the charged/discharged mAh.. so i wrote them on the cells
[02:52:15] <archivist> Loetmichel, I bet that 5 cycles has worn them out :)
[03:06:13] <Loetmichel> archivist: as the first one was always 30% under the other ones i doubt that
[10:33:05] <skunkworks> sad day...
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical_mill_lathe_project_log/200960-hardinge_chnc_ii_sp_conversion_mach_3_a-4.html#post1387470
[10:36:05] <archivist> point his nose at IRC and the forum and ... and...
[10:36:24] <archivist> the docs and mesa cards
[10:36:46] <Jymmm> archivist: youforgot wiki
[10:37:09] <archivist> why do idiots want wet nursing with step by step guides for less common jobs
[10:37:43] <Jymmm> archivist: you want a real answer to that?
[10:38:31] <archivist> I know the answer...they may just be "less able"
[10:41:11] <Jymmm> Well, they know windows and the thought of linux alone scares the shit out of them. On top of that, they are in a foreign land and have no clue on even how to edit a text file (No START > PROGRAM FILES > ACCESSORIES > NOTEPAD), They've never had to deal with or possible knowledge of latency and what that means to them "I didn't have to do that with Mach3", etc
[10:41:51] <archivist> they do have latency problems with mach
[10:42:04] <Jymmm> you know what I mean though.
[10:48:41] <CaptHindsight> some people need a set of instructions to build things with Legos or Tinker Toys, they just don't make connections with concepts
[10:49:49] <CaptHindsight> why they decide to take on projects like designing a cnc lathe is another story
[12:09:33] <CaptHindsight> http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/23000103/images/newrv240-01.jpg a worm gear from a Newport rotational stage. They often use 2:1 reduction with 2 pulleys and a belt before the worm.
[12:10:01] <CaptHindsight> http://search.newport.com/?q=*&x2=sku&q2=RV240CC here's the specs and they have the encoder on the worm gear
[12:10:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Newport-DC-Motor-Drive-for-RV240CC-240mm-Rotation-Stage-/131056817377?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e839854e1
[12:11:11] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[12:12:56] <archivist> CaptHindsight, expensive considering the missing bit
[12:17:32] <CaptHindsight> archivist: yeah, the complete new one is ~$8K, $500 might not be bad if you needed a new worm gear for it, but then the ring would probably bad as well
[12:18:13] <archivist> CaptHindsight, miss matched worm and gear is the worst thing you can have with a rotary :)
[12:27:37] <IchGuckLive> there are precise fittet worms for a good cheep price on local dealer mashenist shops
[12:30:06] <IchGuckLive> i use 90:1 for 35Eur
[12:31:07] <IchGuckLive> http://maedler.de/product/1643/1619/705/praezisions-schneckenradsaetze-rechtsgaengig
[12:32:02] <IchGuckLive> First time seen it got a Chinese translation so the german Best seller is going to fit chinese mashines
[12:32:18] * archivist reminds IchGuckLive that site has no accuracy specifications
[12:32:42] <IchGuckLive> agree but its the best you can get here
[12:33:34] <IchGuckLive> i fittet 4 plasmas on that with standard 30:1 and got a 0.04 backlash at 7,5m/min 0.01 accuracy
[12:34:05] <IchGuckLive> so i guss pricise is even tighter
[12:35:10] <archivist> until you make high count gears on a rotary with a poor worm set you wont understand
[12:35:21] <IchGuckLive> archivist shoudt i rtry to get some accurat infos from the dealer about this
[12:36:14] <archivist> remember that seller is selling drive gears not gears for accurate rotational amounts
[12:37:09] <IchGuckLive> yes it is you can get automotion fears for 5k but do you needc them doesent it make a 50Euro also
[12:38:19] <pcw_home> Just add a resolute encoder on the worm gear
[12:39:51] <IchGuckLive> there are 1Mio encoders out
[12:42:08] <pcw_home> Renishaw does 32m or more
[12:42:39] <archivist> http://www.renishaw.com/en/resolute-rotary-angle-absolute-encoder-options--10939
[12:43:35] <pcw_home> I notice they never show their prices
[12:43:46] <skunkworks> they are just shy
[12:44:05] <IchGuckLive> not cheep i guess
[12:44:14] <archivist> and the buggers did not have the encoders at a show I went to the other week
[12:44:47] <colep> I have a question I'm not sure who or where to ask. Would anyone here be willing to help me out?
[12:45:05] <pcw_home> too good for the hoi polloi
[12:45:16] <Jymmm> colep: dont ask to ask, just ask. If someone can help, they will.
[12:47:00] <colep> Is it possible to abstract the Opto22 PCI driver outside the rest of linuxcnc?
[12:47:44] <IchGuckLive> colep: you can add a python module
[12:47:58] <colep> Please elaborate
[12:48:39] <IchGuckLive> colep: is it a ac5 ?28
[12:48:58] <colep> IchGuckLive: Yes
[12:49:08] <colep> IchGuckLive: sorry, ac5
[12:49:13] <IchGuckLive> there are 5 models so what do you got
[12:49:18] <IchGuckLive> AH
[12:49:46] <colep> IchGuckLive: I'm wanting to use it with C++ or C
[12:50:31] <colep> IchGuckLive: I'm writing a control program and I'd really rather not be windows dependent, but I've never written a driver before.
[12:51:37] <IchGuckLive> colep: from where in the world are you
[12:51:41] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[12:51:55] <colep> IchGuckLive: Haha! Idaho.
[12:52:17] <IchGuckLive> idaho is the Jon deer state im working on for years
[12:52:39] <pcw_home> The proper way is to write a linux driver for the card (or does such a thing already exist from Opto22?)
[12:52:43] <IchGuckLive> Hi so what is the main goal you want to meet with the IO card
[12:53:07] <colep> pcw_home: Not from Opto22, but there is one as a part of the LinuxCNC project
[12:53:13] <Jymmm> pcw_home: From what he's saying, sounds liek it already exists in linuxcnc
[12:53:51] <Jymmm> pcw_home:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/opto22.html
[12:54:03] <colep> IchGuckLive: I want to simple turn on and off digital outputs (much to rapid for the controllers), and read from one digital input
[12:54:42] <colep> pcw_home: Yes, thats the one. Source here:
https://github.com/araisrobo/linuxcnc/blob/da96794fd2f96ec23d88a51a891110ab72d1fac7/src/hal/drivers/opto_ac5.c
[12:55:03] <pcw_home> but not using real time/linuxcnc?
[12:55:31] <IchGuckLive> there is a opto 22 driver inside linuxcnc
[12:55:33] <colep> Well, I'd rather not. I don't need all the other functionality. I suppose that is an option though
[12:55:39] <IchGuckLive> loadrt opto_ac5
[12:55:47] <IchGuckLive> and you are done
[12:55:49] <pcw_home> you can use it with just HAL
[12:55:59] <IchGuckLive> opto_ac5.0.port0.in-00 - They would be numbered from 00 to 11
[12:56:05] <IchGuckLive> opto_ac5.0.port0.out-12 - They would be numbered 12 to 23 port 1 would be the same.
[12:56:20] <pcw_home> dont need all of linuxcnc
[12:56:24] <IchGuckLive> colep: see hal manual side 132
[12:56:28] <IchGuckLive> page 133
[12:56:36] <Jymmm> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/drivers_AX5214H.html
[12:57:38] <colep> Ok, so again I'm pretty new to drivers and I understand the concept of Hardware abstraction layer, I don't know where to find a manual or how I would use this diver with it
[12:57:44] <colep> *driver
[12:57:50] <IchGuckLive> colep:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/stage-docs/v2.5_branch/pdf/LinuxCNC_HAL_Manual_pl.pdf
[12:58:05] <colep> Thank you
[12:58:28] <IchGuckLive> colep: get the linuxcnc liveCD
[12:58:55] <colep> IchGuckLive: So you suggest I just use the whole system?
[12:58:59] <IchGuckLive> load your PC with the AC5 in it with the CD and then you are up to test
[12:59:50] <colep> IchGuckLive: Again, the point was that I don't need any of the other functions of LinuxCNC, just this driver, so would I be able to extract it is the question.
[13:00:08] <colep> pcw_home: How would I use it with just HAL?
[13:00:10] <IchGuckLive> i dont know the goal you want to meet but for IO only within CNC mashines that is all you need
[13:00:36] <IchGuckLive> yes HAL only wil work
[13:01:09] <colep> IchGuckLive: This is not a CNC machine. It's a produce sorter. How would I get HAL only and get the driver on it?
[13:01:36] <IchGuckLive> please read the halmanual
[13:01:39] <pcw_home> You just dont load any of the motion or GUI components
[13:01:55] <colep> IchGuckLive: Thank you, I'll do that
[13:02:15] <archivist> and see classicladder might be useful
[13:02:16] <colep> Thank you both for your help.
[13:02:38] <pcw_home> you may well be able to do everything you need with HAL and HAL components
[13:03:04] <pcw_home> (an you get a working driver thrown in for free)
[13:08:48] <colep> pcw_home: Does LinuxCNC come with all components installed and active? Or do I just load the ones I need?
[13:12:06] <IchGuckLive> it comes as a complete system
[13:12:48] <IchGuckLive> colep: you can use the simulation system
[13:12:55] <IchGuckLive> so you do not need the Realtime
[13:13:12] <IchGuckLive> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[13:14:25] <IchGuckLive> colep: this will also work on 12.04 the last LTS of ubuntu
[13:14:37] <colep> Thank you again, but I'm afraid I don't know what you are meaning
[13:28:44] <pcw_home> colep: you load the components you need in the HAL file (take a look at the HAL manual and some example HAL files)
[13:40:58] <Jymmm> ve7it: hey
[13:47:46] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I ordered another of the same 18650 flashlight. Compared to the first one, it's brighter (even swapped batteries to confirm), but... the brass button that holds the LED wasn't even screwed into the body.
[13:57:14] <PCW> The two we have have a fair difference between them brightness wise but no quality issues
[13:58:57] <Jymmm> I disassembled the head from the body (they use thread lock), and was able to screw in the brass button into the body no problem, it's as if they just forgot to do it.
[13:59:32] <Jymmm> PCW: Note: looking into the led without the reflector/head on it is a BAD THING! lol
[14:00:39] <PCW> I have a DX 60W LED also dont want to look at that one
[14:01:53] <Jymmm> PCW: which one?
[14:03:18] <PCW> I forget which exact one (its a 10x10 array of I guess .6W LEDS on a heat sink wire in series/parallel so ~36V)
[14:03:56] <Jymmm> wole flashifht or just a module?
[14:04:01] <Jymmm> whole*
[14:04:21] <PCW> Just LED for testing as strobe light
[14:04:41] <PCW> (white)
[14:04:44] <Jymmm> lol
[14:04:53] <Jymmm> If you find the SKU let me know.
[14:05:13] <Jymmm> so, how was it as a strobe?
[14:06:03] <PCW> OK but I need to get braver and see how far it can be over driven (Ive heard maybe 3x for 1% duty cycle or lower)
[14:07:55] <Jymmm> PCW: You can use reflectors/difussers to give a brighter appearance too
[14:17:26] <WalterN> does royal make a 3-jaw chuck for the S-30 mounting thing?
[14:17:56] <WalterN> or is that a more standard thing where I can just buy a 3-jaw from somewhere and bolt it on?
[14:20:42] <WalterN> oh yeah, its a more generic thing
[14:20:52] <WalterN> they sell adapter plates or something
[14:22:27] <WalterN> its an A2-8 thing
[14:26:03] <mozmck> PCW: what is the strobe for?
[14:28:05] <PCW> just a normal adjustable frequency strobelight for "freezing" repetitive motions
[14:29:11] <PCW> but no HV and easily adjustable pulse width
[14:30:44] <PCW> surprisingly the phosphor on white LEDs is quite fast so OK for down to 50 uSec or so
[14:34:27] <WalterN> whats a good 3-jaw chuck brand?
[14:36:04] <ve7it> Jymmm, hey.... finally figured out your message was what made my computer "bonk"
[14:45:53] <andypugh> WalterN: Taylor
[14:47:16] <WalterN> andypugh: never brought a 3-jaw before, the CNC lathe its going to be used in has a royal A2-8 collet chuck on it right now, when looking for a 3-jaw is there anything I need to look for in regards to mounting?
[14:48:01] <andypugh> I really am no expert. Not at all.
[14:48:58] <andypugh> I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with the Taylor comment. I would quite like one for my Rivett as they were considered the Bees Knees until the company went bust in about 1950.
[14:49:25] <WalterN> oh heh
[14:49:39] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/taylor/page6.html
[14:50:16] <andypugh> You need a chuck with an A2-8 backplate, basically. I don't think you will find that anyone bothers making rubbish on that fitting.
[14:53:32] <andypugh> Is this inside your budget?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121221660159
[14:54:28] <WalterN> heh yeah it is
[14:55:03] <andypugh> Well, I would certainly trush Pratt-Burnerd for a chuck brand.
[14:56:16] <WalterN> now I just need to find that same chuck online where the specs are actually showing
[14:56:57] <andypugh> There is a nice, brand new. Pratt Burnerd air chuck on there too, but with no backplate (as far as I can tell). The one in the link above appears to be A2-something, yopu might have to scale off the photot to figure out if it is A2-8, but it's an 8" chuck, and the holes are in the right place
[14:57:07] <WalterN> when they say 'scroll' thats the thing that screws into the chuck to clamp/unclamp, right?
[14:57:53] <andypugh> No, it's an internal part of the chuck.
[14:58:22] <andypugh> http://www.600uk.com/data/downloads/products/PBI%20Workholding%20Catalogue.pdf
[15:01:54] <WalterN> so its the 200mm size
[15:03:05] <WalterN> they dont make an adapter plate for the A-6 size
[15:03:11] <WalterN> erm, A-8
[15:04:35] <andypugh> I am confused, as Google has found me a 1219-00375 that is a 12"
[15:05:26] <andypugh> I think perhaps I mis-identified the spigot on the back of that chuck as an integral A2 mount. Sorry.
[15:07:11] <WalterN> the bolt pattern is different
[15:08:09] <WalterN> I think
[15:08:26] <WalterN> or wait
[15:08:39] <WalterN> maybe not
[15:09:22] <andypugh> Making an adaptor plate ought to be fairly easy :-)
[15:09:43] <WalterN> not without that 3-jaw to hold on to such a thing
[15:11:03] <andypugh> You don't have a 4-jaw either?
[15:13:18] <WalterN> no
[15:13:30] <andypugh> A faceplate?
[15:13:37] <WalterN> dont have much of anything
[15:14:18] <WalterN> the only thing I know is that the collet chuck on there now is a royal S-30 with the A2-8 mounting... or whatever
[15:14:40] <andypugh> Yeah, that means that the lathe spindle has an A2-8 mount.
[15:14:59] <WalterN> so I dont need an adapter plate
[15:15:08] <andypugh> But you could measure to check:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/latheparts/page12.html
[15:15:40] <WalterN> measure what?
[15:16:11] <andypugh> You don't need an adaptor plate _if_ you find a chuch which ahs an integral A2-8, or is already fitted to an A2-8 adaptor, or you want to make an A2-8 adaptor.
[15:16:18] <andypugh> The spindle taper.
[15:16:55] <WalterN> so I would need to take the chuck off of the machine
[15:16:59] <WalterN> herm
[15:17:10] <andypugh> Yes.
[15:17:15] <WalterN> that wont happen until this job is done
[15:18:10] <andypugh> If the S3 says "A2-8 on it, and the outside siameter of the spindle matches those drawings, you can be pretty confident. (you can measure the bolt hole centres with the collet chuck in place)
[15:19:20] <WalterN> yeah
[15:19:40] <WalterN> lemme look and see if its two different units or something
[15:20:07] <WalterN> after the part is done
[15:22:52] <WalterN> these things take so long
[15:23:19] <WalterN> had to slow the feed way down because its an interrupted cut
[15:23:49] <WalterN> and 4140 steel
[15:24:24] <andypugh> The Royal S30 will be one unit, bolted to the A2-8 taper on the spindle nose.
[15:25:05] <WalterN> yeah, thats what I recall it being
[15:25:24] <andypugh> (Oddly enough, I was CAD modelling an A2-5 spindle nose last week, a chap I know is making a dividing head for his mill, and has A2-5 lathe tooling.
[15:26:06] <andypugh> All my lathes have threaded noses, even the new one (because it is cheap and ghastly)
[15:26:29] <andypugh> Though I think I prefer camlock to A2 really.
[15:26:54] <Jymmm> ve7it: It that like computer sex? lol How's things goin?
[15:28:32] <WalterN> andypugh: the D style is nice, for sure
[15:58:18] <_DJ_> gn8
[16:00:29] <andypugh> WalterN: In theory you could bolt a lump of material to the spindle to machine the A2-8 register, then flip it and bolt it fitted to the register, then machine the chuck spigot. Chuck plates should normally be machined in-situ anyway.
[16:20:38] <MacGalempsy> afternoon
[16:25:22] <kengu> i would again say evening
[17:02:01] <JT_Shop> evening here
[17:07:41] <MacGalempsy> usually im cst but this week its pst
[17:07:55] <MacGalempsy> super nice today
[17:19:42] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy what are you doing in pssst?
[17:19:51] <andypugh> NickParker|2: Any luck with the stepgens?
[17:55:14] <andypugh> Night all.
[18:02:25] <terrym> Hi
[18:03:49] <terrym> Has anyone any knowledge of creating custom hostmot2 firmware?
[18:08:04] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itc we are on thanksgiving holiday in turlock ca
[18:08:22] <MacGalempsy> terrym how custom?
[18:09:11] <terrym> Mostly stock, just add a new module for a piece of hardware, simple module.
[18:09:27] <terrym> 5i23
[18:10:23] <PCW> do you have the Xilinx tools setup?
[18:11:03] <terrym> Not sure what that is, from the mesa site?
[18:11:21] <PCW> Webpack from Xilinx
[18:11:55] <PCW> oops bbl, linner
[18:21:04] <Tom_itx> anybody ever have problems with those screw terminals on Gecko drives?
[18:23:24] <Tom_itx> the slip on pin connectors keep dealing me fits
[18:24:31] <Tom_itx> the wires don't appear to be strained on it
[18:35:00] <MacGalempsy> tom sounds like a pita
[18:38:05] <GuShH> they must use the absolute cheapest ones from china
[18:38:10] <GuShH> are they green or blue? heh
[18:39:01] <GuShH> for some reason the blue terminals are nice and stiff, the green ones are flimsy -- not sure what they use on geckos
[18:51:10] <Tom_itx> you'd think they would be good
[18:51:26] <Tom_itx> i wasn't crazy about them from the beginning
[18:52:01] <Tom_itx> they're made to mount straight or 90 deg, i flipped it around to try that
[19:09:23] <terrym> PCW, OK, downloading Xilinx now.
[19:09:45] <terrym> Nearly 4GB!
[19:10:17] <PCW> and thats compressed
[19:10:58] <terrym> ETA 3 hours!
[19:13:46] <terrym> I had hoped for something simpler, like C, just modify a source file, recompile, and go ...
[19:14:03] <terrym> but not so simple I guess...
[19:14:05] <RyanS> Anyone used stub drills? Never tried them myself
[19:14:23] <terrym> Ya, they work fine.
[19:15:24] <terrym> I like stub drills for their stiffness, especially in small diameters.
[19:17:20] <terrym> Using them on a lathe? mill? drill press?
[19:18:24] <RyanS> All of the above, but don't have mill yet
[19:18:24] <RyanS> It's a shame they don't come it sets
[19:21:51] <terrym> On a lathe they are not as important as the work is spinning and tends to center the bit anyway.
[19:22:39] <terrym> When the work is stationary and the bit is spinning, then the stiffness of the stub drill is really nice.
[19:23:03] <RyanS> Saw these drill bits that are claimed to eliminate the need for reaming. I assume this is only effective on a rigid CNC
[19:24:04] <terrym> Not sure. I use reams.
[19:24:17] <terrym> Well, I need to go now, bye.
[20:14:27] <cradek> have a laugh at my made-in-usa pliers:
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/channellock537.jpg
[20:18:21] <cradek> (they are fully closed in that picture)
[20:18:39] <Tom_itx> good for cutting wire
[20:18:40] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:19:04] <cradek> true - I could just grind the useless parts away and have sidecutters
[20:19:56] <Tom_itx> i'm sure channellock would make it right
[20:23:07] <cradek> this shows a gap (maybe a smaller one):
https://www.channellock.com/537-Slip-Joint-Plier.aspx
[20:23:15] <cradek> can it be on purpose!?
[20:23:49] <Tom_itx> i hardly think so
[20:23:53] <Tom_itx> it's possible
[20:23:58] <Tom_itx> what is that model sold as?
[20:24:08] <cradek> "slip joint plier"
[20:24:49] <Tom_itx> i think i would ask them
[20:24:55] <Tom_itx> email them the pic
[20:25:14] <Tom_itx> all the pliers i have close all the way
[20:25:31] <cradek> I can return them to enco as manufacturer's-defect and they pay return shipping
[20:25:31] <Tom_itx> except the true channellock 'waterpump' pliers
[20:38:09] <cradek> well I emailed channellock
[20:42:17] <jdh> how far do they close if you slip them?
[20:44:47] <cradek> then the handles hit first (which is fine)
[21:01:02] <CaptHindsight> cradek: no gap in this pic
http://images.officeworld.com/products/500/141501.JPG
[21:01:56] <cradek> yeah, if any, a tiny tiny gap
[21:02:10] <Jymmm> you'll see a gap at the jaw tips. This is to allow the cutter to slice through material all the way.
[21:02:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pfiusa.com/content/images/thumbs/0002551_300.jpeg
[21:02:40] <Jymmm> Reviews...
https://www.channellock.com/537-Slip-Joint-Plier.aspx#
[21:02:48] <cradek> yeah I understand it's hard to make them meet at exactly the same time (why didn't they use shears??), but mine are ridiculous
[21:03:53] <Jymmm> I dont think I even own a pair of plain old pliers
[21:04:15] <Jymmm> nnedle nose, channel locks, vise grips, sure. but not pliers
[21:05:35] <CaptHindsight> I got a similar pair once in one of those stocking stuffer tools kit for $9.99
[21:05:50] <Jymmm> cradek: OH.... I see where yours are fubared, that's messed up
[21:06:08] <CaptHindsight> where half the tools are hex keys and screw drivers
[21:06:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: jewlersscrewdrivers at that
[21:06:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and lots of hack saw blades
[21:07:09] <Jymmm> Alright now... is this a MAN BAG or what????
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/17228340/
[21:07:10] <CaptHindsight> heh, and wrenches from 1/4 - 1" all 4" long
[21:23:40] <CaptHindsight> who beats Dremel for rotary tools? Is it worth spending more for something that might last longer or just spend $80 and expect them to die every year?
[21:25:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.foredom.net/ maybe?
[21:31:31] <roh> we got multiple proxxon ones
[21:31:55] <roh> if you only use them properly and not overload the motors its ok. we got bigger tools for bigger problems
[21:32:13] <CaptHindsight> air grinder?
[21:33:05] <roh> nope.. not yet. we got air in our workspace from a compressor in the cellar, but i only use it on the mill and to pump up tires and blow away dirt mostly
[21:33:16] <roh> makita li-po powertools
[21:33:18] <CaptHindsight> looking for something electric powered where no compressor is available
[21:34:14] <roh> we got a bit hammer drill with sds+, and multiple smaller drills
[21:34:31] <roh> the cyan colored 18V lithium line
[21:34:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.proxxontools.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=26
[21:38:03] <roh> i really like this one
http://www.makitatools.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?Name=BHR241
[21:38:20] <dgarr> CaptHindsight: these last pretty well for me:
http://www.woodcarverssupply.com/Flexshaft-Tools/products/18/
[21:38:48] <roh> CaptHindsight: yup. we got one of each size i think. they are also not that expensive.
[21:38:53] <dgarr> and their handpiece with chuck will do 1/4 in:
http://www.woodcarverssupply.com/STEALTH-HANDPIECE-0-1_4-CHUCK/productinfo/792200/
[21:39:02] <dgarr> no relation, just satisfied user
[21:39:12] <RyanS> hmm, that's interesting how some major cutting tool manufacturers essentially have 'vending machines' set up with customers.. pay as you use sort of thing
[21:39:41] <CaptHindsight> MASTERCARVER® vs. Foredom® flexible shaft machines
[21:41:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.woodcarverssupply.com/NEW-1_2-HP-BENCH-TOP-ULTRA-FLEX-SHAFT-SET/productinfo/797435/ only $300
[21:42:22] <CaptHindsight> 1/2hp (0-30,000rpm max.)
[21:42:57] <CaptHindsight> dgarr: what wears out when they do wear out?
[21:43:50] <dgarr> http://www.woodcarverssupply.com/STEALTH-HANDPIECE-0-1_4-CHUCK/productinfo/792200/
[21:43:57] <dgarr> oops
[21:44:53] <dgarr> i meant to say here: bearins eventually go out, motor requires periodic brush replacement, (and blow out carbon), shaft s eventually fail too -- but i put
[21:44:57] <dgarr> many hours on them
[21:45:46] <CaptHindsight> at least you can replace the brushes vs have to buy a new dremel
[22:14:21] <Tom_itx> can someone tell me in the hal configuration where to find the current velocity parameter?
[22:44:08] <dgarr> look at configs/sim/core_sim.hal ex: vel_xyz (for velocity vector with x,y,z components)
[23:11:50] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, real rotary tools: DuMore Engis Gesswein ( dremel is for model airplane kits ) look for used DuMores at Mold shop auctions
