#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-11-25

[00:38:01] <naz_> and back
[01:21:04] <RyanS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guiScoBl80w IT7 hole tolerance, apparently but is that only because it's done on a rigid and precise CNC...
[02:17:27] <_DJ_> moin
[04:42:41] <archivist> restoration job, just getting a bit pricey fleabay 141116731326
[04:46:36] <RyanS> Too many cans of WD-40 to remove the rest can get expensive :p
[04:47:51] <archivist> actually will be easy to take apart
[04:49:08] <archivist> there being a daddy one of them here http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_15_Adcock_Shipley/IMG_1250.JPG
[04:49:21] <RyanS> can one hope to get any sort of accuracy from a restored rustbucket?
[04:50:08] <archivist> sure, the skill of the user provides a lot of the accuracy
[04:50:23] <archivist> especially on a lathe
[04:51:43] <RyanS> , but all the bearing surfaces would be really pitted from all the rust surely?
[04:52:06] <archivist> no, usually they are ok
[04:52:23] <archivist> and cast iron does not rust much at all
[04:54:39] * GuShH stares at the surface rust on his cast iron skillet
[04:55:20] <archivist> scraper and a few minutes work
[04:55:52] <GuShH> actually just seconds with a brillopad
[04:56:17] <GuShH> it only happens when I leave it clean, ideally you should just leave it with a bit of grease and clean before use... it will never rust
[04:56:30] <archivist> really bad I use a wire brush on an angle grinder
[04:56:44] <GuShH> lol
[04:56:56] <GuShH> you can cook over the rust, no problem though
[04:57:48] <GuShH> why is it we think "rust = bad"
[04:59:39] <archivist> one can think of it as a protective layer like anodizing on aluminium
[05:00:28] <GuShH> I wouldn't stand any rust on my lathe though.
[05:00:41] <archivist> there is a bridge locally which is steel and "anodized" for an experiment
[05:00:57] <GuShH> dropped a cup of coffee I had sitting on the headstock, went full-nuts trying to dry it all up most of it fell on my shirt anyway
[05:01:16] <RyanS> I don't know, for example, the surfaces on a machine taper -rust is bad...
[05:01:23] <GuShH> right
[05:01:49] <archivist> 1200 grit wet and dry will have the taper back like new
[05:02:09] <GuShH> well if it's badly pitted that's a bit of surface that won't be making contact anymore
[05:02:09] <archivist> if done soon enough after a light spot
[05:02:21] <GuShH> like the stuff I see on the used section of sites like ebay
[05:02:56] <archivist> I should do a before and after set of pics
[05:03:49] <GuShH> some have surface rust but others are heavily pitted
[05:04:49] <archivist> this was black and out in the rain in water in a tray in a scrap yard http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_04_07_Dumore_toolpost_grinder/IMG_1221.JPG
[05:05:03] <archivist> never took before pics though
[05:05:17] <archivist> no paint added
[05:06:28] <GuShH> black oxide is good stuff
[05:06:47] <archivist> although another before http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_05_03_Barber_Colman_Type_S/
[05:07:27] <GuShH> you reckon an old column type milling machine is worth getting? ignore the price it's in ARS http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-480725481-fresadora-movuni-de-bancomesa-cruzaccesoriosherramientas-_JM
[05:07:45] <archivist> as far as I got http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_08_31_Barber_Colman_S_type/
[05:07:48] <GuShH> I don't care about the paint, just the play and whether it's missing parts or not, thing is I tend to think round column = not rigid enough
[05:08:21] <GuShH> so I basically gravitate toward the thought "it's a glorified drill press"
[05:08:32] <archivist> and me
[05:08:54] <GuShH> a knee mill costs a bit more, but they are often missing half the parts from what I've seen
[05:10:08] <archivist> plenty knee mills over here
[05:10:18] <GuShH> but a small bridgeport still has it's limitations
[05:10:23] <GuShH> heh that's because you probably outsource to china now
[05:10:27] <archivist> get one and restore and remake parts
[05:10:30] <GuShH> so they've got nothing to do with the machines
[05:10:41] <GuShH> easier said than done, specially moving and housing it
[05:10:43] <RyanS> What is that thing
[05:11:01] <GuShH> http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-479920901-fresadora-torreta-ruizma-num1mesa-500x150mmavancautomati-_JM
[05:11:10] <GuShH> at least the column one has all sorts of goodies, these are half mills....
[05:11:47] <GuShH> archivist: tools are becoming very expensive because we have massive import restrictions, so there isn't much to choose from and it just skyrockets the prices
[05:12:05] <GuShH> it means though there are niche markets opening up
[05:12:09] <archivist> GuShH, make from scrap
[05:12:40] <GuShH> even scrap costs
[05:12:47] <GuShH> I would consider that last machine scrap.
[05:12:53] <GuShH> Owners beg to differ though
[05:13:17] * GuShH needs to get rid of an old safe in the garage to make up some space anyway
[05:13:24] <GuShH> left behind from the previous owner
[05:13:43] <archivist> safe= base for mill
[05:13:52] <GuShH> it's 2 meters tall
[05:13:59] <GuShH> but yes you could recycle the steel
[05:14:08] <archivist> pit it on its side :)
[05:14:29] <GuShH> heh that would be one massive table, hard to work with though since there would be no space for your feet!
[05:14:57] <archivist> my mill is actually an old lathe recycled put on an xy
[05:15:06] <GuShH> it's quite heavy I might have to roll it out and chop it outside
[05:15:37] <GuShH> they've forced it open at least once before, since I took it apart and noticed they had cut the main bolt from the outside
[05:15:40] <archivist> or keep your best tools in it
[05:15:42] <GuShH> no keys no combination useless.
[05:16:00] <GuShH> the gap was closed with bondo
[05:16:27] <GuShH> and the bolt welded with 2 tacks
[05:16:33] <GuShH> as a safe, it's useless.
[05:16:36] <RyanS> Where do you find all this stuff?I sometimes search milling machines on ebay in Australia and there is rarely or ever the supposedly ubiquitous quality old machine tool at ridiculously low price
[05:16:50] <GuShH> these two are from a company that closed down
[05:16:59] <GuShH> they usually go on auction
[05:17:09] <GuShH> you should look for real auctions
[05:17:42] <GuShH> expensive though, the green one is 2k usd
[05:18:03] <GuShH> I hear Australia isn't cheap when it comes to this type of thing
[05:18:19] <RyanS> I was looking for measurement tools at this auction for a closed down. Screw manufacturer and the majority of it was almost new Chinese crap
[05:18:22] <GuShH> RyanS: I've never seen anything so cheap that I went "gasp, BUY NOW"
[05:18:29] <GuShH> it never happens here.
[05:18:29] <archivist> I should be getting stuff and shipping it :)
[05:18:55] <GuShH> archivist: except, we have import restrictions... but yeah look into AUS :p
[05:19:11] <GuShH> they'll probably take your crap and you could make a good profit, assuming they're willing to pay the S&H
[05:19:30] <archivist> I imagine there are empty containers going back from here
[05:19:34] <GuShH> I invite anyone with a boat to bring me oscilloscopes and any sort of test instrument...
[05:20:02] <archivist> I shall decline and keep my test eq toys :)
[05:20:07] <GuShH> archivist: so how less stiff would a round column be?
[05:20:09] <RyanS> Americans always say to Australians "get a used Bridgeport" you can probably buy a rustbucket for $2000
[05:20:26] <GuShH> I can
[05:20:35] <archivist> GuShH, quite a lot less stiff
[05:20:36] <GuShH> and I'm in Argentina, you should be able to find one
[05:20:43] <GuShH> But we once had an industry
[05:20:48] <GuShH> we made our own knee mills
[05:20:52] <RyanS> Yes, please resume sending unwonted British things to Australia :P
[05:20:56] <GuShH> (bridgeport is a brand)
[05:21:19] <RyanS> Unwanted
[05:21:42] <GuShH> archivist: but for mild steel and mostly aluminum it would suffice, you have to remember the garage is not a manufacturing plant!
[05:21:50] <GuShH> lighter cuts are OK
[05:22:07] <RyanS> Preferably to Melbourne. Please
[05:22:07] <archivist> just what you want 281213322150
[05:22:11] <GuShH> I also assume those knee mills require all new electrical (including motor) and at least a VFD
[05:22:29] <GuShH> plus new bearings
[05:22:38] <GuShH> and all of the tooling required for most jobs
[05:22:49] <GuShH> it might end up costing twice as much.
[05:22:58] <GuShH> once you factor in the shipping
[05:23:45] <archivist> that last one is on its second time around on fleabay
[05:23:45] <RyanS> I will give you $50 if you fly that milling machine to Australia on hand luggage
[05:23:52] <GuShH> archivist: at the lowest position the column on that one is not really used as it meets with the base
[05:24:00] <GuShH> RyanS: the small one is half a ton, the bigger one is over a ton sir.
[05:24:33] <RyanS> That's why I said it
[05:24:42] <GuShH> I've talked with the guy, I think he will also add the chucks you see on one of the pics
[05:24:56] <GuShH> no rotary table though, that I can see.
[05:25:03] <GuShH> dividing head, whatever you call it.
[05:25:04] <RyanS> I want a machine shop in a shipping container
[05:25:18] <GuShH> that could be sorted out... just send me 1 million dollars
[05:25:40] <GuShH> ohhh sexy, the actual container IS the machine shop... well two containers would make for a neat small shop
[05:25:43] <GuShH> all self contained
[05:25:55] <GuShH> "small" bigger than my garage as-is...
[05:26:14] <GuShH> actually shipping containers are rather expensive around here, and they only sell you the bad ones
[05:26:14] <archivist> I need a new roof on the garage here
[05:26:20] <GuShH> "no longer fit for maritime use"
[05:26:30] <GuShH> pancake a container, presto.
[05:27:01] <archivist> condensation inside a container is terrible
[05:27:02] <GuShH> I've toyed with the idea of using 2 or 3 to make up a shop, but it would cost almost 10 times more than making it out of steel and wood.
[05:27:38] <GuShH> I will eventually build something, currently I've got no real space for anything
[05:29:21] <RyanS> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/containershop.jpg
[05:29:35] <GuShH> sigh
[05:29:45] <GuShH> those are proper mills
[05:30:00] <GuShH> I would just fill trapped inside that thing
[05:30:05] <GuShH> make it 2 containers for that amount of machinery
[05:30:18] <GuShH> otoh it could just be the picture and it may be cozy inside
[05:31:15] <archivist> that reminds me of the basement at the last job
[05:31:37] <RyanS> noooo condensation... don't tell me everything in my metal shed is bad for rust
[05:31:45] <GuShH> I have a hard time finding someone to move the mill from point A to point B without charging me a small fortune
[05:32:12] <GuShH> the mill, any mill actually...
[05:32:27] <archivist> a lot of these pics are the basement http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/
[05:32:48] <RyanS> maybe a ventilation fan would deal with the condensation?
[05:33:07] <archivist> heating is needed
[05:33:29] <RyanS> My dreams of a semi mobile machine shop have been shattered
[05:33:34] <GuShH> haha
[05:33:50] <GuShH> archivist: that's a neat engine lathe
[05:33:56] <GuShH> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010232.JPG
[05:34:06] <GuShH> I wanted an oldie like that, but they all had missing parts and massive play
[05:34:10] <GuShH> it would've been a waste of money IMO
[05:34:24] <archivist> that lathe came home with me :)
[05:34:40] <GuShH> you lucky bastard! how's the play on that thing, was it previously owned by a school or something
[05:34:59] <GuShH> all the ones I've seen had massive wear from doing actual production work
[05:35:10] <archivist> it has a lot of bed wear but the spindle is nice
[05:36:15] <archivist> you can do shiny on old lathes http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pendulum+cast
[05:36:19] <GuShH> really nice old iron
[05:36:30] <RyanS> https://d2ki5pua16zbi6.cloudfront.net/catalog/product/t/c/tc205-cream-1_1_5.jpg?w=340&h=267 is this equally a quagmire of rust generating condensation?
[05:36:43] <GuShH> I don't care about how the lathe looks, it's the missing parts and wear that gets me.
[05:37:02] <archivist> the taper turning is incomplete
[05:37:21] <GuShH> taper attachment?
[05:37:22] <archivist> screw cutting tumbler broken
[05:37:29] <GuShH> you can fix it
[05:37:33] <GuShH> you have the means!
[05:37:51] * RyanS goes outside into the shed and douses everything in oil
[05:37:53] <archivist> but I have the southbend in working condition :)
[05:38:01] <GuShH> is that a homemade boring bar?
[05:38:08] <GuShH> out of ... mild steel
[05:38:24] <GuShH> or is the rusty bit out of something else
[05:38:25] <GuShH> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2006/2006_09_07_pendulum/P9072700.JPG
[05:38:28] <archivist> cant remember
[05:38:50] <RyanS> What about a refrigerated shipping container with the insulation!
[05:38:54] <GuShH> I don't think I've ever seen a southbend here
[05:39:02] <GuShH> mostly czech and swiss stuff
[05:39:11] <GuShH> RyanS: sure
[05:39:12] <RyanS> They sell them with a broken refrigerator
[05:39:27] <GuShH> heh, remember it costs money to move it from where it is to where you are!
[05:39:37] <GuShH> and that truck will wreck everything in it's way
[05:40:23] <RyanS> just get used semitrailer and hire a prime mover to shift it
[05:41:37] <GuShH> plus you might want a reinforced concrete slate cast in place before you place the container...
[05:41:44] <GuShH> that's one month waiting time or so for it to cure and set properly
[05:41:50] <GuShH> plus it's cost, of course.
[05:42:03] <RyanS> I don't see the feasibility of running a heater 24/7
[05:42:13] <GuShH> cement truck + crew + permit if need be
[05:42:21] <GuShH> you need permits for just about anything in most countries
[05:42:39] <GuShH> and in some other countries it's the other way around, they want you to do it illegally so you'll have to pay them more later on (see Italy)
[05:43:30] <archivist> au, one is in the middle of nowhere who cares what you do
[05:44:05] <GuShH> the tax weasels do
[05:45:15] <RyanS> I think a spare bedroom machine shop would be awesome......... just have to go from the couch to machines
[05:45:45] <GuShH> a hobby grade machine shop...
[05:45:49] <GuShH> or a serious machine shop...
[05:46:06] <GuShH> because your floor may just go "bye bye" once you put 2 tons worth of mill on less than a square meter
[05:46:25] <RyanS> I'd be happy with a halfway in between one
[05:46:34] <RyanS> A concrete slab
[05:46:55] <GuShH> I need to figure out how much the concrete floor would cost first
[05:47:16] <GuShH> I can frame it with steel no problem, just have to find a cheap material for the walls and roof
[05:47:27] <RyanS> I keep trying to convince the other occupants to let me set up in the lounge room
[05:47:34] <GuShH> lol
[05:47:52] <GuShH> I have space far out on a corner of the lot
[05:48:02] <archivist> I better not show GuShH my recent lounge picture
[05:48:04] <RyanS> It's so inconvenient to go and 20 m to the shed
[05:48:08] <GuShH> could build a 3 car garage back there and you would not be able to see it from the house
[05:48:13] <GuShH> archivist: why not?
[05:48:42] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_08_14_Lounge_Electronics_bench/
[05:48:45] <RyanS> That sounds like an unmarried person's house . If you have a machine shop in the lounge room
[05:48:48] <GuShH> are you married or single? because it may determine how bad your lounge area and your hoarding issues currently are.
[05:48:56] <GuShH> RyanS: lol
[05:49:02] <archivist> old free and single
[05:49:10] <GuShH> I wanna be like you
[05:49:14] <GuShH> where do I not sign
[05:49:51] <GuShH> archivist: ever found a woman that actually found all of this interesting and not plain disgusting?
[05:49:54] <RyanS> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
[05:50:03] <GuShH> AND wasn't an undercover man.
[05:50:16] <GuShH> unless you're into that, in which case what can I say
[05:50:23] * GuShH idly scratches his head
[05:50:49] <RyanS> It looks like a mad scientists laboratory, you're not a mad scientist are you?
[05:50:50] <GuShH> RyanS: I can proudly say I don't have such a messy place, even though there are capacitors and resistors often found in bed.
[05:51:01] <GuShH> oh and boxes everywhere
[05:51:19] <GuShH> RyanS: He MIGHT have a hoarding issue but it's the good type
[05:51:37] <RyanS> If you sleep with capacitors At least you are getting some
[05:51:42] <archivist> only might
[05:51:45] <GuShH> If it makes you happy and you can do it... it's your life.
[05:51:54] <GuShH> I don't get any.
[05:52:10] <GuShH> I have enough of a mess that most women just run away scared when they see it
[05:52:13] <GuShH> (the mess)
[05:52:53] <RyanS> they just want to buy new furniture every six months
[05:53:09] <GuShH> I don't remember ever buying furniture
[05:53:17] <archivist> or move it around every week
[05:53:32] <GuShH> that's because they're not happy with who they are.
[05:53:42] <GuShH> so they want to control everything in their path.
[05:53:46] <archivist> I bought book shelves
[05:54:15] <GuShH> archivist: which currently house instrumentation, no books, right?
[05:54:25] <archivist> erm....books
[05:54:28] <GuShH> lies.
[05:54:42] <RyanS> "archivist" now becomes a very apt username
[05:54:45] <GuShH> but do you repair and sell some of the equipment?
[05:54:51] <GuShH> he IS an archivist.
[05:55:07] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/ look at the table on the lower part of the page
[05:55:08] <GuShH> take a look at his collection of user manuals and such
[05:55:11] <GuShH> there you go
[05:55:12] <RyanS> Seriously?
[05:55:36] <archivist> GuShH, tend to repair for own use
[05:55:57] <GuShH> I do see some duplicates though
[05:56:14] <GuShH> "you never know" In some cases you do need more than one of the same...
[05:56:26] <archivist> I will sell duplicates or use for spares
[05:56:33] <GuShH> clearly you do not draw lines though
[05:56:41] <GuShH> :p
[05:56:44] <RyanS> Are you retired... What did you do in professional capacity?
[05:57:01] <archivist> not retired
[05:57:26] <GuShH> you should have kids then, little archivists.
[05:57:33] <RyanS> so not that old
[05:57:49] <RyanS> The question still applies in the present tense
[05:57:54] <GuShH> start looking for the right gal... visit machine shops, mechanics...
[05:58:06] <archivist> TV repair, clock repair, software, electronics engineer, and gear making and anything someone asks for
[05:58:23] <GuShH> clocks?
[05:58:32] <GuShH> I don't have patience for clocks.
[05:58:39] <archivist> search clock on my site :)
[05:58:47] <RyanS> hmm you run a small business?
[05:58:54] <GuShH> I do remember something about an old clock or bell tower
[05:58:56] <GuShH> but maybe it wasn't you
[05:59:23] <archivist> done church and tower clocks too
[05:59:31] <GuShH> so it was you
[05:59:39] <GuShH> hey at least my memory works, more or less.
[05:59:59] <GuShH> RyanS: just ask to see if he would adopt you.
[06:00:02] * GuShH chuckles
[06:00:05] <RyanS> I'll get you to build me a wheelchair with all the high-tech stuff the manufacturers are too lazy to implement
[06:00:34] <GuShH> hmm 2HP 3 phase motor on that round column mill
[06:00:46] <GuShH> see, vfds are not free...
[06:00:47] <RyanS> can we come to your house and play with your machine tools?
[06:01:03] <GuShH> we may never leave
[06:01:23] <archivist> no space for more people :)
[06:01:25] <GuShH> I would happily set camp under the big lathe
[06:02:26] <RyanS> The problem with the world is it contains people
[06:04:11] <archivist> there was a job advertised on one of the mailing lists here, maintaining prof hawkins chair
[06:04:30] <GuShH> oh look a meat tenderizer... must get... http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-477945817-tiernizador-de-carne-motor-34-hp-_JM#D[S:VIP,L:SELLER_ITEMS,V:8]
[06:04:46] <GuShH> archivist: bullshit
[06:04:53] <GuShH> I thought he had a "team" behind it
[06:05:06] <GuShH> most likely the one from the company that built the current chair
[06:05:26] <GuShH> why does it have to rain so much... sigh
[06:05:50] <GuShH> I need to finish my roofing duties but the weather won't let me
[06:05:56] <RyanS> What happens when Stephen changes the brand of voice machine
[06:06:27] <GuShH> he goes to jail for changing his identity.
[06:06:53] <GuShH> should totally inline an autotune module though.
[06:07:01] <GuShH> set to G or so
[06:07:51] <RyanS> That wheelchair is just a standard off-the-shelf unimaginative and lacking in any actual engineering
[06:08:08] <RyanS> I think wheelchairs are designed by student engineers
[06:08:50] <GuShH> so go make a better one for him
[06:08:56] <RyanS> And cost the same amount as a car
[06:09:08] <GuShH> except he can't really drive a regular car
[06:09:36] <RyanS> I want better one for myself first :P
[06:09:46] <GuShH> what happened to you?
[06:10:16] * GuShH pokes RyanS' belly
[06:11:26] <GuShH> why is every aluminum supplier so far away from where I'm at...
[06:11:48] <GuShH> and the closest one has some crazy fees, I even bought from them but haven't heard ever since (almost a week now)
[06:12:16] <RyanS> I used to be a famous Formula One driver and got into a crash... hahaha
[06:12:33] <GuShH> RyanS: why do I find this hard to believe!
[06:13:02] <RyanS> Why are you poking me. I don't understand !
[06:13:57] <GuShH> It's a friendly poke
[06:13:58] <RyanS> I'm 'physically challenged' lol
[06:14:39] <RyanS> pokapokapoka
[06:15:17] <GuShH> RyanS: seriously though
[06:15:50] <RyanS> Muscular dystrophy
[06:16:09] <GuShH> ow we just lost a famous guy... bah not internationally famous, but still...
[06:16:14] <GuShH> it's all bad news this week
[06:16:37] <RyanS> Who
[06:16:46] <GuShH> you don't know him
[06:18:15] <RyanS> Every time someone'invents'stairclimbing wheelchair. It's a complete flop
[06:18:34] <RyanS> They want a small fortune that nobody could afford
[06:19:28] <GuShH> oh well
[06:19:39] <GuShH> just get rid of stairs!
[06:20:16] <RyanS> Plus it offers an excuse to ignore accessibility
[06:20:17] <GuShH> RyanS: you're saying there isn't a lot of research going on in that deparment?
[06:20:30] <GuShH> accessibility in Argentina is pretty good
[06:20:42] <GuShH> every public place I know of has proper access
[06:21:07] <GuShH> but the special traffic light interfaces (buttons and such specially for blind people) have all gone missing
[06:21:45] <RyanS> . I can only comment on the impression I get but 'medical equipment'seems to mean automatically five times the price of other things
[06:21:59] <GuShH> that's generally the case heh
[06:22:06] <archivist> no economies of scale
[06:22:19] <GuShH> hmmm so is glonass openly accessible?
[06:23:04] <GuShH> and is the protocol as simple as gps?
[06:23:07] <RyanS> It definitely is economies of scale but they don't innovate
[06:25:06] <RyanS> $3000 http://www.hmc-products.com/en/Catalog/INPUTDEVICES/InputDevices-HMCCompatible/0001-7004a.html I can only imagine it's a hall effect sensor
[06:25:25] <GuShH> RyanS: so is the muscular dystrophy something that advances with time?
[06:26:14] <GuShH> also I thought the word was STRENGTH not STRENGHT
[06:26:22] <GuShH> are these guys for real?
[06:26:45] <RyanS> yesh... http://www.hmc-products.com/en/Catalog/VARIA/Varia/0021-7000a.html $750
[06:27:05] <GuShH> bullshit
[06:27:52] <RyanS> They are Danish and probably used Google translate]
[06:28:05] <archivist> google can spell
[06:28:10] <GuShH> but google wouldn't have a typo in their database heh
[06:28:30] <RyanS> Serious perhaps it's 650 I can't remember. Thankfully its government funded
[06:28:38] <GuShH> o.O
[06:28:46] <GuShH> nuts.
[06:29:05] <GuShH> all you need for the heater is a pwm driver a resistive element and a fan.
[06:29:13] <GuShH> I can even make that enclosure myself.
[06:29:31] <GuShH> it shouldn't cost over 20 dollars.
[06:29:36] <GuShH> for someone to make it
[06:29:52] <RyanS> It's dead easy, but nobody else sells one
[06:30:01] <archivist> it costs to get certificates and to sell
[06:30:06] <GuShH> RyanS: do they have obscure and complex guidelines to follow for medical equipment or this isn't even considered medical grade
[06:30:14] <GuShH> archivist: that's why I had to ask
[06:30:38] <RyanS> You should manufacture them. Sell them for $100
[06:30:43] <GuShH> you can heat your hands with camping grade heaters...
[06:30:52] <GuShH> and your feet, with heated socks
[06:30:53] <GuShH> cabelas.com
[06:31:06] <GuShH> they probably have heated gloves too
[06:31:06] <RyanS> have to certify every capacitor
[06:31:16] * GuShH frowns
[06:31:25] <RyanS> component
[06:31:39] <GuShH> it's not going to be part of a heart monitor
[06:31:50] <GuShH> it's a friggin hand warmer
[06:32:16] <GuShH> http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Heated-Performance-Gloves/1399107.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dheated%2Bgloves%26x%3D-947%26y%3D-51%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=heated+gloves&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products
[06:32:25] <RyanS> true they prob dont
[06:32:48] <GuShH> hmm that's not cheap, plus may not be possible to use without help
[06:33:45] <RyanS> but The joystick if something goes wrong and someone drives into a swimming pool, manufacturer is fucked
[06:34:16] <GuShH> with that sort of thinking, what if something goes wrong with the warmer and it cooks their hand
[06:34:24] <GuShH> WHAT IF THE SKY FALLS
[06:34:54] <archivist> insurance
[06:35:05] <RyanS> I wouldn't want to use a dodgy control
[06:35:05] <GuShH> BUT THE SKY
[06:35:54] <archivist> I could do with those gloves here indoors
[06:36:03] <GuShH> and socks too?
[06:36:08] <archivist> yes
[06:36:14] <GuShH> just turn on a couple of your scopes and it should warm up the place nicely
[06:36:27] <GuShH> I bet they have heated underwear too
[06:36:32] <RyanS> anyway , lithium batteries, brushless motors, surface to air missiles on a wheelchair. Design me 1
[06:36:33] <GuShH> it's Cabela's, they've got it ALL.
[06:36:41] <archivist> need more income to pay for heating
[06:36:45] <GuShH> Hire the Russians, RyanS.
[06:37:30] <GuShH> http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Heated-Performance-Camo-Vest/1395716.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch%2F%3FN%3D5100829%26Ne%3D5100829%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dheated%26Ntx%3Dmode%252Bmatchallpartial%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts%26WTz_st%3DSearchRefinements%26form_state%3DsearchForm%26search%3Dheated%26searchTypeByFilter%3DAllProducts%26x%3D-947%26y%3D-51&Ntt=heated&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products
[06:37:34] <GuShH> bah, silly URLs
[06:37:37] <RyanS> And have like an AWACS follow me around
[06:37:44] <GuShH> why is everything 199.99?????
[06:37:46] <GuShH> even the socks, come on
[06:38:25] <RyanS> It's a bargain compared to $200!
[06:39:00] <RyanS> night
[06:39:10] <GuShH> morning
[06:39:57] <archivist> I hate the wait for seller to send the address for collection 221319084790
[06:42:30] <GuShH> archivist: what's with the number?
[06:42:38] <archivist> fleabay
[06:43:29] <archivist> going to cost more in diesel to fetch
[06:59:34] * GuShH is seriously considering getting a motorcycle due to fuel costs
[06:59:58] <GuShH> plus tolls are 20% of what a regular car pays
[07:00:07] <GuShH> it's nuts.
[07:00:33] <GuShH> two big cons... can't carry stuff, not ideal when it rains...
[07:00:51] <GuShH> in fact that's the only time I consider it dangerous, when it rains.
[07:00:57] <jdh> 3 - old ladies in big cars
[07:01:06] <GuShH> huh?
[07:01:32] <jdh> they hit motorcycles
[07:01:36] <GuShH> no, when you're on a bike you assume you are invisible, so nobody can see you, thus you can't expect others to behave properly.
[07:02:08] <GuShH> and you shouldn't ride on their blind spots either
[07:02:42] <GuShH> jdh: sounds like a stereotype
[07:02:47] <jdh> sure
[07:02:49] <GuShH> most accidents are caused by stupidity
[07:02:51] <jdh> based on facts
[07:02:55] <GuShH> or the car engaging the bike
[07:03:23] <GuShH> jdh: most idiots ride on their blind spot
[07:03:35] <GuShH> or they cross lanes and do other stupid shit
[07:04:39] <GuShH> aside from that it's only dangerous if you are not experienced...
[07:04:40] <jdh> even if the cyclists does everything correctly, they are still liable to be killed by an old lady in a cadillac, or a texting kid.
[07:04:56] <GuShH> don't shower, you may fall and die.
[07:05:15] <GuShH> sometimes I take the bus, but just because I'm not driving doesn't mean I'm safe.
[07:05:20] * jdh heads to the shower.... it's time to go diving.
[07:05:26] <GuShH> might as well get run over the moment I step out of the bus
[07:06:13] <GuShH> anyway car insurance is nuts over here
[07:07:05] <GuShH> jdh: I don't know why I just don't like cars...
[07:07:17] <GuShH> must be the inefficiency
[07:08:54] <GuShH> moving all that weight around for no good reason
[07:09:34] <jdh> I like all the weight around me so I can better withstand being hit by other cars (or motorcycles)
[07:09:51] <GuShH> not really
[07:10:17] <GuShH> you have the same chances of dying if a semi hits you
[07:10:35] <GuShH> in fact, higher with a car.
[07:11:32] <GuShH> the danger factor is the driver, not the vehicle anyway.
[07:12:34] <GuShH> I also can't live knowing the potential to kill others is higher with a car/ truck than it is with a motorcycle. Of course most people are dipshits and enjoy knowing they're riding on a weapon.
[07:13:14] <GuShH> as a general means of transportation cars are inefficient anyway.
[07:14:05] * GuShH has been involved in more car accidents than bike accidents
[07:14:38] <GuShH> The only time I fell off a bike was due to a dog that got in the way and simply because I wanted to avoid hitting it.
[07:20:02] <Jymmm> MAD MAX RICKSHAW!!!
[07:20:22] <GuShH> o.o
[07:22:35] <Jymmm> http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2090/2186973410_c095fb0383_b.jpg
[07:23:20] <Jymmm> http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5329/6949749942_9552e859c4_b.jpg
[08:46:37] * archivist ducks :)
[08:48:46] <adb> Jymmm, front weel drive those rickshow ;-
[08:49:50] <adb> Jymmm, ah , front wheel drive those rickshow
[12:00:10] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:04:47] <IchGuckLive> someone knows if the > The world-famous annual 2013 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade will be held Nov. 28, 2013 WILL be on satalite free TV
[12:06:32] <roycroft> it's time to boycott the macy's thanksgiving day parade
[12:06:44] <roycroft> for the first time ever, macy's are going to be open on thanksgiving, requiring employees to work
[12:06:59] <roycroft> and they did not allow anyone to request the day off
[12:08:22] <cradek> seems a lot of stores are doing that this year. it is surely profitable.
[12:11:13] <IchGuckLive> as the world comes to that event is is boring to see the store closed
[12:15:33] <schue> Black Friday is the new American holiday, apparently.
[12:16:14] <schue> complete with door busters!
[12:18:11] <IchGuckLive> SNOW on Thursday for the hole eastcost will be funny to drive
[12:22:04] <roycroft> my black friday tradition is to spend zero money anywhere on that day
[12:22:10] <roycroft> i make sure i have plenty of fuel for my car
[12:22:22] <roycroft> and i make sure i have enough groceries so that i don't have to purchase food
[12:22:47] <roycroft> obviously no going out to a restaurant
[12:26:20] <IchGuckLive> free turkey everywhere
[12:36:04] <cradek> roycroft: easy - that's what I do most days...
[12:44:02] <PetefromTn> LOL Agreed....NEVER have shopped on black friday. Its a freakin' mess.
[12:47:12] <uw> i used to when you could get cheap CD-Rs from best buy and office max
[12:48:03] <uw> that was prolly only 2 years, maybe 15 years ago
[12:48:53] <uw> you could really walk out of there with a 100 cd spindle for $1 or something like that
[13:11:33] <IchGuckLive> is black friday the first Xmas hell buying day in the USA
[13:11:58] <IchGuckLive> i thought it woudt be the last saturday bevor xmas
[13:12:52] <archivist> boxing day sales in the uk
[13:13:30] <IchGuckLive> this year the post office will be overwoumd with all the online shoppers
[13:13:52] <IchGuckLive> i heard there is a total fleet from HK out to the world
[13:17:27] <IchGuckLive> Cylly: snow ? today
[13:20:41] <FinboySlick> IchGuckLive: If you enjoy SouthPark, they have a nice three-parter black friday special this season.
[13:20:57] <FinboySlick> With lots of Game of Thrones references ;)
[13:21:14] <IchGuckLive> i never looked at simpsons or southpark here in german TV
[13:21:33] <IchGuckLive> Sponge bop is perfect
[13:22:04] <FinboySlick> I'm not sure how well Southpark translates but they did a decent job on the french side. Of course, I still prefer the original.
[13:22:25] <FinboySlick> The simpsons adaptation is very very good too.
[13:27:47] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
[15:10:55] <NickParker> has anybody seen kwallace around lately? I'm now doing exactly what he did, so I could use his advice on a few parts.
[15:16:46] <cradek> he participates a lot on the emc-users mailing list
[15:17:38] <cradek> (it's poor manners to ask a certain person for help on a mailing list though -- maybe just post your questions and see who can help?)
[15:18:33] <NickParker> we've the exact same mills except our spindles. I'll try some more to figure it out without bothering him though.
[15:19:34] <cradek> are your questions about that exact particular hardware, or more general?
[15:19:49] <cradek> (lots of us have worked on lots of different retrofits)
[15:20:36] <andypugh> And some of us enjoy an educated guess :-)
[15:21:21] <NickParker> yeah i'm still working on setting up type 9 software stepgen for the phase inputs of these drivers. I just found the basic hal page which may have been what I was missing though.
[15:21:43] <cradek> oh right, you have the winding activation type drivers
[15:22:15] <NickParker> yep
[15:22:56] <cradek> yep sounds like the basic hal tutorial is the right place if you're stuck at the "wiring" it up step
[15:23:26] <andypugh> It probably doesn't help particularly, but if you want to use the 6i25 GPIO in the fast thread with software stepgen, that is possible.
[15:23:31] <cradek> maybe start with a stepconf-generated config, then change the stepgen parameters and output pin hookups
[15:23:46] <andypugh> There are base-thread compativle read-gpio and write-gpio functions.
[15:23:53] <cradek> that's awesome
[15:24:09] <cradek> although it's no benefit over a plain parallel port is it?
[15:24:19] <andypugh> Only if it makes wiring easier
[15:24:56] <andypugh> (And, the GPIO on the 7i77 / 7i76 is serial driven)
[15:25:21] <andypugh> But if you disable the stepgens, then their pins are available as fast GPIO. Might save using a breakout.
[15:25:23] <cradek> I've got step/dir to winding-activation avr code somewhere (from when my old desktop mill was working under emc1)
[15:25:56] <NickParker> +cradek yeah i wrote all that code bitwise for arduino pro minis i had laying around
[15:26:13] <NickParker> then i toasted the pro minis with a crappy power supply, and don't really want to order new ones since it was such a hack anyway
[15:26:47] <NickParker> I'm still tempted to use shift registers and OR gates to convert step/dir, but having to set up the shift registers every time i start up would be a pain.
[15:26:55] <cradek> ha! http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/maxnc.c
[15:28:12] <NickParker> hmm yours is nicer than mine, all three on one avr.
[15:28:27] <cradek> four!
[15:28:45] <cradek> this mill used all 12 parport outputs for 4 axes
[15:29:31] <andypugh> Shall I just add table mode to the Mesa Stepgen? How hard can it be.... :-)
[15:29:36] <NickParker> are you not using interrupts to detect the step rising edges? or does that code need a Mega instead of just an uno/pro mini?
[15:29:45] <NickParker> andypugh: I would love you forever for that..
[15:29:57] <NickParker> or not, if that works better as motivation for you.
[15:30:19] <cradek> it was probably an atmega16 -- yes it looks like it used a different interrupt for each step signal
[15:30:19] <andypugh> Yeah, perhaps there are better motivations :-)
[15:34:07] <cradek> faking up the timers to overflow was sure clever...
[15:34:28] <cradek> wonder if I wrote that or if jepler did
[15:34:31] <andypugh> You are Mel and I claim my $5
[15:34:40] <cradek> wha
[15:34:55] <NickParker> $5 for mesa stepgen? deal..
[15:35:25] <Jymmm> NickParker: ...per day
[15:36:03] <andypugh> cradek: Using overflow creatively: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html
[15:36:44] <cradek> in 1983 I was much younger
[15:37:24] <cradek> "I'll call him Mel, because that was his name." haha
[15:44:48] <andypugh> The problem with setting up table-based stepgen is that it will be difficult to tell which pins on the header are which. If you can deal with that, it shouldn't be too hard.
[15:45:29] <NickParker> andypugh: You mean while wiring it up or in writing it?
[15:46:43] <andypugh> The Mesa Firmware will allocate the pins, but I don't see any way for it to report back to us :-)
[15:47:56] <MacGalempsy> afternoon
[15:48:18] <PCW> the pins have normal tags (step=table1, dir=table2, then table 3 through 6)
[15:48:38] <NickParker> So I would just have to figure out which pins are which? I can deal with that. Figuring out which pins are which axis is an easy matter, and I can figure out the order in each axis with an oscilloscope
[15:49:30] <PCW> well first you need a bitfile that allocates 4 stepgen pins/stepgen
[15:50:37] <PCW> (this is needed in any case, even if the stepgen pattern is setup with raw_write)
[15:51:19] <MacGalempsy> picked up a mpg pendant that uses rs485. is there a mesa card that will work with it?
[15:51:42] <andypugh> Ah, so table-mode is only valid with some firmwares, and those firmwares declare the pins as table outputs?
[15:52:07] <andypugh> Right, that actually makes the problem that I thought was there go away.
[15:52:10] <PCW> RS-485 is a physical laye spec, the protocol woudl need to be knownr
[15:52:42] <MacGalempsy> ah. ok. got the data protocol.
[15:53:14] <MacGalempsy> maybe better to just use the serialport on the pc?
[15:53:28] <PCW> table mode is always available (but you would only have 2 output pins with most configs)
[15:54:30] <PCW> Possible PC serial or PC--> USB --serial adapter would be easier
[15:54:38] <PCW> possibly
[15:55:26] <PCW> depending on the protocol and how "real time" you want it to be
[15:56:13] <cradek> MacGalempsy: can you just apply sidecutters and then connect to the encoder directly?
[15:56:36] <andypugh> PCW: Any easy way to tell how many pins I have available?
[15:57:41] <PCW> Yes all the pins will have secondary function tags (step/tabel1, dir/table2,table3,tabel4,table5,table6)
[15:58:05] <andypugh> Right, so count them at pin allocation time? Seems easy enough.
[15:58:37] <PCW> managed to spell table the same twice in a row
[15:58:55] <andypugh> :-)
[15:59:35] <andypugh> I wonder if it makes sense to support 16 x 8 tables? It would be a lot easier to support 8 x 4
[16:00:05] <andypugh> (In the latter case, the step_type pin simply becomes a step table.
[16:00:53] <PCW> Physically the limit is 6 wide by 16 deep
[16:02:08] <andypugh> There is no point allowing table mode with 2 pins, as all possibilies are currently supported, I think?
[16:03:08] <PCW> well you could support quadrature output that has the same scaling as normal stepgen (rather than 4x faster)
[16:03:42] <PCW> I do suspect this is best done with a component rather than adding the feature to the driver
[16:03:57] <PCW> since its so rarely needed
[16:04:35] <PCW> the hard part with a component is allocating the pins
[16:04:44] <andypugh> It's slightly hard to do with a driver, I think. If the regmap changes, it would all break
[16:04:44] <MacGalempsy> thought about just manually switching the wires to "direct feed"
[16:05:10] <andypugh> 8 x 4 mode would be really easy.
[16:05:27] <MacGalempsy> but just getting ideas. when i get home. it will be back to getting the machine tunrd
[16:05:50] <andypugh> PCW: Can you send me a 6u25 test firmware, if you have one?
[16:05:51] <PCW> you mean with one 32 bit personality word?
[16:06:05] <PCW> 6I25 test firmware for?
[16:06:39] <andypugh> Yes. Currently step-type is a 32-bit input. It would be easy to parse that as a table if it was ?
[16:06:57] <andypugh> .. if it was greater than 3.
[16:07:31] <PCW> test firmware with 4 wide output?
[16:07:35] <andypugh> PCW: 6i25 with table-type stepgen outputs.
[16:07:53] <andypugh> Yes, lets go for 4 bits wide, as there is only one customer :-)
[16:08:02] <PCW> you already have that but just 2 bits wide
[16:08:14] <PCW> OK after lunch
[16:08:37] <andypugh> PCW, yes, I would just like to check that the md parser allocates the poins right.
[16:09:19] <PCW> there a wierd transpose as the pattern is written broadside and backwords
[16:09:30] <PCW> there's
[16:09:36] <andypugh> (Yes, OK, this is a displacement activity, I am crawling back into my comfort zone out of the wilds of Python and SQL)
[16:10:10] <PCW> I though you might be avoiding the toolchanger morass
[16:10:34] <andypugh> Yeah, I feel more certain of success here
[16:10:57] <PCW> like I'm avoiding doing a DMA work for a customer
[16:11:11] <Jymmm> DMA?
[16:11:32] <PCW> Direct Memory Access
[16:11:35] <Jymmm> ah
[16:11:39] <PCW> bbl lunch
[16:11:43] <kengu> hum. i lost the 6i25 io error message that caused spindle enable to stop working..
[16:11:48] <Jymmm> Oh gaws, haven't heard that term in decades =)
[16:12:04] <Jymmm> almost as old as parity bit =)
[16:12:05] <NickParker> Ok I have to run to class. Thanks a bunch for anything you end up doing on table mode PCW / andypugh!
[16:12:21] <NickParker> back in ~3 hrs
[16:13:25] <Jymmm> PCW: Wait, why would a FPGA card need DMA?
[16:14:05] <PCW> faster transfers to/from system memory
[16:14:23] <Jymmm> Faster than the FPGA itself?
[16:14:44] <Jymmm> ...can process them?
[16:17:12] <CaptHindsight> there might not be any processing in the FPGA, maybe the FPGA just buffers the data and passes it along to some IO
[16:19:52] <Jymmm> Never in all the decades ive been soldering have I ever wanted a solder sucker...till today
[16:22:21] <Jymmm> Trying to reflow cold solder joints on a honda master relay... Using 63/47, liquid flux, 50W iron, and the shit still still balls up. Won't even flow into solder wick. Having to heat and smack on the table to remove
[16:22:32] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a recommendation for 1/2 inch drive digital torque wrench to ~250 ft/lbs?
[16:22:46] <MacGalempsy> they are handy.
[16:23:10] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: why digital?
[16:23:25] <MacGalempsy> snapon?
[16:24:27] <somenewguy> arg homeing why do you hate me
[16:24:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: measuring preloads on bearings
[16:25:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ah, I thought you were SET ting
[16:25:37] <somenewguy> anyone wanna guess as to why my homing is all of a sudden making a run for it?
[16:25:49] <MacGalempsy> cap, budget?
[16:25:50] <Jymmm> ate Taco Bell?
[16:26:18] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: SnapOn is nice and they do have an online shop
[16:26:29] <CaptHindsight> I'm just shopping around
[16:26:47] <somenewguy> it used to work fine, but I noticed my Y axis limits were set to 0 and -5.1, so I: figured hey lets make it 0 and 5.1 (note the sign inversion)
[16:27:15] <somenewguy> now when it homes, it seems to home properly, but after backing off the switch the second time, it tries to take off at full speed into the switch???
[16:27:16] <MacGalempsy> i like snapon, but $$$. id put a auto seach in ebay watch
[16:27:40] <Jymmm> craigslist
[16:27:46] <MacGalempsy> might need to get a used one calibrated
[16:28:50] <_DJ_> gn8
[16:29:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200337136_200337136 interesting how the accuracy is dependent on the direction
[16:36:35] <somenewguy> haha EVERY setting in my home sequence was inverted
[16:36:55] <somenewguy> so it seemed fine till i 'corrected' that one
[16:37:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/4199792953.html
[16:37:45] <CaptHindsight> 3 for the price of 1
[16:39:44] <CaptHindsight> lightly used, freshly "borrowed"
[16:39:58] <Jymmm> it fell off the truck
[16:40:07] <CaptHindsight> recently discovered
[16:40:26] <Jymmm> And I can higly recommend the 6ft crowbar
[16:41:27] <Jymmm> and the battery operated angle grinder with cutoff wheel
[16:42:09] <Jymmm> Man, this "cool" florescent light is fucking with my eyes
[16:42:19] <Jymmm> blueih tint
[16:43:36] <Jymmm> And it says "Super Daylight" on it.... BS!
[16:46:04] <Jymmm> FCL22W
[18:20:00] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, you against sears tools?
[18:20:22] <Tom_itx> they've got digital torque wrenches
[18:20:35] <Tom_itx> snapon is probably 2.5x higher
[18:20:43] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: yeah just got a new one on fleabay for $90
[18:21:00] <Tom_itx> k
[18:21:03] <CaptHindsight> looks like new old stock/discontinued
[18:21:19] <Tom_itx> it'll still show torque :)
[18:21:41] <Tom_itx> i was looking for 1/2" drive the other day
[18:21:47] <CaptHindsight> not just older torque settings?
[18:21:49] <Tom_itx> wound up not needing one
[18:25:21] <CaptHindsight> Ace hardware started carrying Craftsman, so it's easier to exchange broken tools now
[18:28:48] <CaptHindsight> I like Snap-On for the specialty tools. Wrenches, sockets, screw drivers all wear and break about the same rate from any of the lifetime warranty brands
[18:31:46] <CaptHindsight> http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=&item_ID=737947&group_ID=683084&store=&dir=catalog this seems a bit over priced
[18:32:21] <CaptHindsight> ~3K ea per socket
[18:33:27] <Valen> if you are buying 2.5" drive sockets you can probably afford it ;-P
[18:33:30] <WalterN> snapon is really expensive, but they dont ask questions, and overall quality is higher than anything else I've seen
[18:33:41] * Valen uses sidchrome
[18:36:05] <WalterN> craftsman tools is good for most stuff though
[18:36:33] <WalterN> sometimes you need a stronger slightly thinner walled socket to reach into something
[18:37:40] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: a friend and I might end up designing/building/selling rapid prototyping stuff
[18:38:16] <WalterN> upgrade kits for existing cheap garbage, and possibly later on from scratch machines
[18:38:40] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2013/11/26/stratasys-throws-curve-ball-smacks-afinia-lawsuit/
[18:44:33] <zorg_> #dd-wrt
[18:44:48] <zorg_> sorry
[18:45:00] <Valen> kickban 4 life!
[18:45:07] <Valen> ;-p
[18:45:10] <CaptHindsight> Valen: the Sidchrome warranty link takes you to http://ourwarranty.com.au/ Stanley/Black&Decker
[18:45:29] <Valen> yeah, they got baught out :-<
[18:45:33] <CaptHindsight> is Sidchrome their high end line?
[18:45:43] <Valen> i believe so
[18:45:52] <WalterN> 10% of their revenues
[18:46:05] <Valen> I'm going to start making my own tools soon
[18:46:09] <WalterN> as a percentage, that does not seem like much
[18:46:20] <CaptHindsight> in most of China Stanley is the high end line :(
[18:46:35] <Valen> they used to actually be made in sydney
[18:48:05] <andypugh> They own Facom too.
[18:50:12] <Valen> dad and I are half way through designing a set of pliers (as in linesman, snips etc) that take carbide/hss inserts and have adjustable/replaceble hinges
[18:50:28] <Tom_itx> it's harder for me to get snapon now and the sears high end work just as well
[18:50:46] <Tom_itx> i'm not doing it full time so it's not that critical
[18:52:03] <andypugh> I doubt it ever is that critical.
[18:52:29] <andypugh> None of the mechanics at work use Snap-On.
[18:52:58] <Tom_itx> the only thing they really got goin for em is delivery
[18:54:42] <WalterN> yeah
[18:55:06] <WalterN> I wouldent get snapon unless you work at a mechanic shop at least part time
[18:55:22] <Tom_itx> i've got a pile of em from days gone by
[18:55:45] <CaptHindsight> the SnapOn factory is not far from here. Mac is the other tool co in the area with trucks that drive right to shops and sell direct
[18:55:58] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:56:13] <Tom_itx> i don't think their quality is quite as good
[18:56:15] <CaptHindsight> they both have online shops now
[18:56:25] <Tom_itx> maybe they've improved...
[18:56:43] <andypugh> Mac is part of Stanley....
[18:56:51] <CaptHindsight> whenever I'd call they said they would have to contact the truck in the area to come out
[18:57:42] <CaptHindsight> oh nooes, pretty soon it's all going to be Stanley
[18:57:48] <Tom_itx> now if i break one i just toss it in the car and wait til i see a truck
[18:58:17] <Valen> I probably would have gone snapon if I could buy them easily
[19:00:22] <CaptHindsight> the stocking stuffer tools sets have reappeared, the ones with 102 pieces, 80 being tips for screw drivers and 10 wrenches all too short to get any torque on them
[19:01:27] <Valen> lol
[19:01:50] <Valen> I got the wifes sister a sidchrome toolbox for her 18th birthday
[19:02:12] <andypugh> Did that please her?
[19:02:13] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight if you could get torque on them, they'd probably break
[19:03:48] <Valen> well the rest of the space was stuffed with "adult products" from the wife so hopefully one or the other did lol
[19:03:53] <CaptHindsight> I somehow ended up with a few 1/2 and 3/8 extensions that twisted when torqued. One actually twisted 90 deg without shearing
[19:04:17] <Valen> I made this up for it too http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/stuff_made/sasha-plaque/sasha-plaque.jpg
[19:04:46] <Valen> her step father was rather jealous lol (presumably about the tools, not the toys)
[19:05:34] <CaptHindsight> Craftsman 60 pc socket and dildo set ?
[19:05:37] <andypugh> What an earthy lot you colonials are.
[19:05:51] <Valen> of course it was opened in front of the family with the grandparents in attendance
[19:06:13] <Valen> as is appropriate for an 18th i believe
[19:11:16] <Valen> wifey is home today, i told her of this conversation, she said "we only got her the essentials"
[19:23:33] <uw> van halen
[19:23:57] <uw> i used to love them in HS
[19:26:11] <Jymmm> Valen: Just fill it next time with bdsm gear.
[19:26:40] <Valen> Jymmm: 21st present of course ;->
[19:27:03] <Jymmm> Valen: Oh, I have the PERFECT gift
[19:27:41] <Jymmm> Valen: Note the number of reviews... http://www.amazon.com/Vibratex-HV-250R-Magic-Wand-Massager/dp/B00005M1WE
[19:28:28] <Valen> heh, i got wifey the australian version of that, it has also had "positive reviews"
[19:28:52] <Jymmm> Valen: But, give it to her like this: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=86242,filename=dildo-nazi.jpg
[19:29:09] <Valen> rofl
[19:29:14] <Jymmm> =)
[20:04:33] <NickParker> andypugh: Did you and/or PCW make any progress porting table mode to mesa?
[20:04:56] <andypugh> Yes, but no :-)
[20:05:24] <andypugh> Yes, I have 4 sets of step pulses. But I don't understand them.
[20:06:14] <NickParker> what are they doing?
[20:06:43] <andypugh> Nothing that makes much sense to me :-)
[20:07:13] <NickParker> so.. not following any sort of table you've given it then?
[20:07:40] <andypugh> Probably, I just am not sure how
[20:09:53] <andypugh> I need a bit of clarification from PCW.
[20:10:08] <andypugh> I can definitely control all 4 pins.
[20:10:30] <NickParker> hmm, well thanks for working on it.
[20:10:36] <andypugh> I am trying to figure out the logic now
[20:12:55] <andypugh> I think the bit I don't understand is how the table is cleared/purged
[20:14:36] <pcw_home> the table is written from the last to first (and you need to set the table length)
[20:15:40] <andypugh> But once I have written a table, how do I write a new one? Or is it a ring-buffer where it just reads the last N entries?
[20:15:57] <pcw_home> last n
[20:16:06] <andypugh> Hmm, OK
[20:16:23] <pcw_home> well assuming you have set N (table length)
[20:16:48] <andypugh> And the 6 least significant bits control the (up to) 6 pins in each stepgen?
[20:17:18] <andypugh> (no padding of multiple patterns into the 32 bits?)
[20:17:45] <pcw_home> yes bit 0 is "step" bit1 is "dir" bit 2 is table2 etc
[20:18:16] <andypugh> Halscope might not be the ideal tool.
[20:19:05] <pcw_home> 4 LEDs , stepgen in velocity m ode at 1Hz may be more appropriate
[20:20:26] <andypugh> NickParker: Are you set up to apply a patch and compile LinuxCNC?
[20:20:50] <andypugh> It's time I went to sleep.
[20:20:55] <NickParker> er, probably? I have a PC with linuxcnc installed.I can give it internet if you need me to.
[20:21:25] <andypugh> There is rather more to it than that.
[20:21:48] <andypugh> I guess you didn't compile your current version from source?
[20:22:06] <NickParker> No i did not.
[20:22:59] <andypugh> How much of a hury are you in to try this?
[20:23:35] <NickParker> no hurry, but i have this week off so i have plenty of time to work on it.
[20:25:47] <andypugh> I could probably push this to Master for the builbot to build, except I am not 100% sure that it works properly (though I don't _think_ it breaks the normal stepgen)
[20:29:07] <NickParker> Yeah I just looked up building linuxcnc, I would need another machine running linux, that'd probably take me as long to set up as you pushing to master.
[20:30:34] <andypugh> You can build on your existing machine, by default a compiled-from-source version doesn't over-write the installed version.
[20:31:14] <NickParker> Alright, well if it's as simple as it sounds here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Building_LinuxCNC_realtime I've got no problem doing that.
[20:34:28] <andypugh> I may have found the problem.
[20:37:33] <andypugh> Yes, I found a problem.
[20:38:19] <NickParker> heh, I like the change from "the" to "a."
[21:22:05] <andypugh> Goodnight all
[22:08:12] <tjtr33> does 'caged ball ' ball screws mean that there's a fixed spacer between each ball?
[22:09:07] <tjtr33> (well not fixed, they kinda float)
[22:12:58] <tjtr33> nm found a picture . yes theres like a sleeve between each ball, the balls dont rub. (just)
[22:58:07] <Jymmm> MY ballnut does, all 62 balls! Well 62 now that I hand loaded it
[22:58:13] <Jymmm> 61*
[22:58:54] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGp56l0bsdA
[23:00:04] <Jymmm> It's missing a BIG FLUFFY TOWEL !!!
[23:18:59] <tjtr33> or a magnet mat
[23:21:15] <Jymmm> they like to bounce
[23:34:14] <tjtr33> https://tech.thk.com/upload/catalog_claim/pdf/268-5E_cagadtechnology.pdf ( thats not a typo they just cant spell )