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[01:20:42] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:31:32] <Jymmm> Hi Loetmichel
[01:31:57] <Jymmm> Has anyone done any mold cloning or sorts?
[01:58:54] <_DJ_> moin
[02:00:15] <cpresser> Jymmm: i tried. for tabletop minatures
[02:00:32] <cpresser> but i failed. i could reproduce enough details
[02:00:58] <Jymmm> cpresser: Bummer, that's EXACTLY what I need in this cae
[02:01:00] <Jymmm> case
[02:02:25] <cpresser> Jymmm: this was another try:
http://imagebin.org/276023
[02:02:27] <archivist> you are doing it wrong then, we had an external foundry do copies for us and the detail was good
[02:03:02] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i made some tin molds out of 2k high temperature silicvcone
[02:03:09] <cpresser> my approach was more DIY, without any investment in materials. i guess using the correct silicone mold it might work well
[02:03:12] <Loetmichel> ... for battlemechs...
[02:03:33] <cpresser> lol. tabletop-nerds^^
[02:03:43] <Loetmichel> worked ok, was a bit tricky to get the miniatures out of the silicone molds ;-)
[02:04:39] <archivist> http://www.clock-works.clara.net/cata/spa5.htm pictures do not do them justice
[02:05:10] <archivist> cast in brass
[02:08:11] <Jymmm> My trackball sits atop rubies. But the cheap plastic that holds the rubies deforms over time. I need to find a way to hold the rubies
[02:08:37] <Jymmm> Kingston Expert Mouse
[02:09:15] <Jymmm> Nothing else is actually wrong with the trackballs, just these damn thin/cheap mounts
[02:10:50] <Loetmichel> cpresser: not enough pressure... (your photo) make a longer "pour in tube" or use a "schleuderguss" ( two or more molds on a spinning disk, with the pouring tubes in the middle)
[02:10:58] <archivist> make bits by hand glue on, no casting needed
[02:14:37] <cpresser> Loetmichel: the main problem was the mold. it was flat, not standing upright
[02:15:00] <cpresser> Loetmichel: i made it on OHM2013-hacker-camp. we had limited tools and supplies
[02:15:09] <cpresser> still, i learned a lot :)
[02:15:27] <Jymmm> It looks like one of the rubies has a "chip" out f it
[02:16:37] <Jymmm> I'm not sure what I could replace it with
[02:17:30] <cpresser> Jymmm: most likely you dont want another trackball. but i would recommend a 'logitech marble man' trackball. mine now works for more than 14years. in only replaced the left-mouse-button-switch
[02:17:38] <Jymmm> it's like a 1.5-2mm diameter ruby
[02:18:26] <Jymmm> cpresser: Heh, we've replaced 4 of those
[02:19:21] <Jymmm> cpresser: nowhere close the the smoothness and no scrollwheel/ring
[02:19:48] <cpresser> scrollwheel? nobody needs that :P
[02:20:08] <Jymmm> If I could do something like a ballpoint pen, that would work I eblieve
[02:20:37] <Jymmm> cpresser: I need more programmable buttons is what I need
[02:26:13] <MacGalempsy_> archivist: what do you get for those tiaras?
[02:26:26] <MacGalempsy_> i guess clock pieces
[02:26:45] <archivist> they fit on clock dials
[02:26:54] <MacGalempsy_> those are cnced?
[02:27:11] <archivist> no cast, copied from originals
[02:27:28] <MacGalempsy_> very cool.
[02:27:39] <MacGalempsy_> << getting back to reading
[02:28:59] <archivist> like here
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_07_30_Dial_Norfolk/P1010008.JPG
[02:30:24] <archivist> before image
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_07_28_Dial_Norfolk/P1010015.JPG
[02:31:05] <MacGalempsy_> that looks awesome. hobby or profession?
[02:31:46] <archivist> that was work
[02:32:41] <archivist> my part on the dial was hole filling and engraving (hand)
[02:33:29] <MacGalempsy_> you do that kind of stuff everyday and tinker with cnc at home?
[02:33:53] <archivist> that was the day job that ended 2009
[02:34:22] <archivist> made the cnc at work to cut gears, but it was mine so came home
[02:35:32] <MacGalempsy_> so what do you do now for 9-5?
[02:36:04] <archivist> odd jobs, next to nothing
[02:39:08] <MacGalempsy_> sounds relaxing
[02:39:58] <archivist> stressed hungry and cold
[02:47:56] <MacGalempsy_> oh
[02:48:10] <MacGalempsy_> time to get the cnc fired up and start production :P
[02:48:30] <archivist> first one needs orders
[02:48:43] <MacGalempsy_> just go on ebay, find the most expensive, smallest machined part you can find, then duplicate it
[02:48:59] <MacGalempsy_> I say vintage aluminum chocolate molds can go for high dollar
[02:49:05] <archivist> you get orders advertise, to advertise get money...ops loop detected
[02:49:50] <MacGalempsy_> http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm#1113509
[02:50:07] <MacGalempsy_> all it would take is a few decent replicas and you could be making $$$
[02:50:49] <MacGalempsy_> 19.5" rabbit went for over 2k
[02:51:30] <MacGalempsy_> 16" rabbit pisisng in a basket, 950!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Chocolate-Mold-Rabbit-Apron-Working-in-Basket-GIANT-BANQUET-16-HIGH-/130996075686?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7ff97ca6
[02:52:20] <archivist> if not antique its not worth the money
[02:52:38] <MacGalempsy_> how do you know? just antique it :)
[02:52:49] <archivist> my cnc cannot make large items anyway
[02:53:15] <Jymmm> aluminum is like 50 bazillion years old, that's an antique, aint it?
[02:53:35] <MacGalempsy_> agreed!
[02:53:44] <archivist> any fraud gets you a holiday in prison, not worth it
[02:53:52] <MacGalempsy_> i mean, just make it in aluminum or tin, then throw it in saltwater for a few hourse
[02:54:32] <MacGalempsy_> here is another thing I was thinking would be good
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HERTEL-Indexable-End-Mill-1-x-1-1-4-Shank-9-Inserts-3FL-ANGT1623-BN65-/270893193684?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f127e19d4
[02:54:51] <MacGalempsy_> small 4th axis endmills with a 1/2" shaft
[04:10:17] <firstmill> hi hope you can help me first mill with linuxcnc it works fine BUT no speed on parport
[04:10:52] <firstmill> setp parport.0.reset-time 2000 VS addf parport.0.reset base-thread
[04:11:18] <firstmill> is this correct to be in one hal
[04:11:55] <firstmill> basetread is set by stepconf to 100000 i did enter 15000 in the config
[04:12:11] <firstmill> stepconf = config
[04:15:02] <cpresser> firstmill: you can test each axis in stepconf
[04:16:00] <cpresser> firstmill: make sure you got you steppers to work with stepconf. then you can start to edit config-files directly
[04:22:04] <firstmill> it works in the testpanell but as i start the machine it fails on gcode stepper are stalling
[04:23:28] <firstmill> in the integreater manual it gives me other numgers or itesms to config then the stepconf made and as the sherline basic configuration has in it
[04:24:06] <firstmill> integrater Manual page 41 addf parport.0.read base-thread 1
[04:26:57] <archivist_herron> test your acceleration make sure its not too fast
[04:30:24] <firstmill> ok the parport is able to go for 8kHz i think
[04:30:31] <firstmill> bye im testing
[06:46:35] <MacGalempsy_> morning all
[06:56:50] <jthornton> morning, you make any headway?
[07:03:27] <MacGalempsy_> just a lot of reading and a better understanding of the hal code
[07:03:58] <MacGalempsy_> starting to see why you would just rather tweak the code after an initial setup
[07:04:29] <MacGalempsy_> also, I think the first tab that was a mystery are pins available to the 5i25
[07:05:47] <jthornton> did my web page help any?
[07:06:36] <MacGalempsy_> the example 5i25 and 7i77 files looked good
[07:07:18] <MacGalempsy_> honestly, I just went back to the book and started going through cover to cover. went through the advanced hal manual first, now going through the integrators manual more thouroughly
[07:07:59] <MacGalempsy_> still need a few relays to show up, so maybe by the time those arrive, i will be ready to connect the rest and give a go at programming all the pins in one shot
[07:08:08] <jthornton> the basic hal section is a good place to start for hal
[07:08:34] <jthornton> ah no, it is better to program one pin at a time and test for typos
[07:09:04] <MacGalempsy_> so its not better to list all the pins then use halmeter to check the connections?
[07:09:45] <jthornton> well it is easier to find typos if you just add one pin at a time until you get good at it
[07:09:56] <MacGalempsy_> ah, agreed
[07:10:54] <jthornton> if you use show hal configuration from the Axis menu you can see all the pins and there is a watch window where you can watch multiple pins
[07:11:14] <MacGalempsy_> ok. do you have a recommendation on a handheld mpg for touchy?
[07:12:19] <jthornton> I use a standard MPG and use Mode 3 on the 5i25 to get the MPG inputs
[07:12:41] <MacGalempsy_> mode 3?
[07:12:50] <MacGalempsy_> is that the pins on the card?
[07:13:44] <MacGalempsy_> what do you think about the usb ones?
[07:13:56] <jthornton> no, it is an option on the config line
[07:15:14] <jthornton> I prefer a regular MPG connected directly to the 7i77, I use a USB joypad on my plasma but it does not require precise positioning
[07:15:51] <MacGalempsy_> when you say regular, do you mean a dial with two selectors?
[07:16:41] <jthornton> loadrt hm2_pci config="num_encoders=6 num_stepgens=1 sserial_port_0=300xxx"
[07:17:07] <jthornton> yes, the dial is the MPG and selector switches for distance per click and axis selection
[07:17:24] <jthornton> the 3 in the config puts the card in mode 3
[07:17:51] <MacGalempsy_> ah that is where ports 16-19 are used for mpg
[07:18:02] <jthornton> so if you take the sample 7i77 hal file and change to a 3 you get mode 3
[07:18:18] <MacGalempsy_> ok
[07:18:38] <MacGalempsy_> may have to do that on the 7i84 instead because the 7i77 is full
[07:20:16] <jthornton> search for SOFTWARE PROCESS DATA MODES in the Mesa manuals
[07:23:26] <MacGalempsy_> ok. as for now, im going to read for another hour then hit the sack. I think everything except the stand will be here by the weekend, so hopefully it will all come together sooner than later. Thanks again for the help.
[07:26:18] <jthornton> np
[09:14:57] <PetefromTn> Mornin' folks...
[10:37:37] <_DJ_> renamd
[11:35:12] <jmasseo> anybody ever convert a tree cnc mill to linuxcnc?
[11:35:27] <archivist> tree?
[11:35:32] <jmasseo> it's a brand
[11:35:40] <jmasseo> looks kind of like a bridgeport but it's not a retrofit
[11:35:42] <jmasseo> 2hp
[11:35:50] <archivist> never heard of them
[11:36:00] <cradek> the brand is not important. lots of people convert mills that are like 2hp bridgeports.
[11:36:19] <jmasseo> this one is already CNC, but it's got a dynapath conversational controller
[11:36:44] <skunkworks> it is more of a question - what hardware is in it and what can be reused
[11:36:48] <pcw_home> I think a t least a couple have been converted to LInuxCNC (older ones use resolvers for axis feedback)
[11:37:16] <jmasseo> the owner said it will intermittantly skip 0.010 on the X
[11:37:22] <jmasseo> and he believed it to be a controller issue.
[11:37:28] <jmasseo> otherwise it's in a ship shape
[11:37:34] <jmasseo> apart from being 27 years old
[11:37:45] <pcw_home> might be a dirty encoder
[11:39:27] <archivist> whatever it is, sounds like a suitable starting point to make a usable mill
[11:40:28] <jmasseo> 3k USD and 2.5 tons
[11:40:35] <jmasseo> not counting rigging
[11:40:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:41:11] <archivist> something like
http://www.szpakmfg.com/tree.html ?
[11:41:11] <_DJ_> hi mister live
[11:42:16] <IchGuckLive> _DJ_: a BAGGER has cut the internet so im only on 10kb/s hope the airtunnel can stand at that weather outside
[11:42:44] <_DJ_> oh
[11:42:51] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[11:42:51] <_DJ_> 10 kb/s is evil...
[11:43:05] <jmasseo> i think this one is slightly older
[11:43:11] <jmasseo> than the one you linked
[11:43:46] <_DJ_> get LTE or so ;-)
[11:45:16] <IchGuckLive> _DJ_: we got a town internet service as we are far away friom the next access to a bag bone THE wear thing is that the internatianal 1Tb Back bone is running at the pipline here about 200meters from town
[11:47:26] <archivist> jmasseo, I am used to the vendor saying its nearly new and no wear....and finding it is well worn later, offer a lower price :)
[11:48:04] <archivist> haggle/barter a bit
[11:48:08] <jmasseo> right
[11:49:31] <jdh> there are several chaeper than that on ebay
[11:49:34] <archivist> ex boss told me the mill I have here was hardly used, I pointed out the backlash on the X
[11:50:12] <archivist> but the price was right, free delivered
[11:50:51] <jdh> all inexpensive mills seem to be located far away in godforsaken areas.
[11:51:35] <archivist> trailers are useful
[11:52:03] <jdh> I'm not driving to Kansas for anything.
[11:52:55] <archivist> my lathe was about 300 miles away, was a fun drive
[11:53:03] <jdh> I will admit my knowledge of kansas comes mostly from the wizard of oz.
[11:53:22] <cradek> kansas is adjacent to some really nice places
[11:53:24] <jdh> 300 miles would be fine. Less than 1k would be ok.
[11:54:17] <archivist> I did ohio to baltimore to chicago to fetch a signal generator when over there
[11:54:45] <CaptHindsight> where should the deal on the mill be?
[12:00:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FNC40-LEBLOND-MAKINO-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-/321238867393?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4acb541dc1 if this stays under $5k it won't be bad
[12:01:15] <jmasseo> that's a much bigger machine
[12:01:26] <CaptHindsight> where are you near?
[12:01:39] <jmasseo> DFW, TX
[12:01:46] <jmasseo> i live west of fort worth
[12:03:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKUMA-MC-60H-CNC-HORIZONTAL-MACHINING-CENTER-/321243319446?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4acb980c96
[12:05:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINE-Matsuura-MC-1000V-with-Fanuc-3000-C-1985-/151159642455?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2331d11957
[12:08:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROLIGHT-CNC-MILLING-MACHINE-Machining-center-Works-with-Mach3-/181228098021?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a320951e5 kind of small though
[12:08:48] <CaptHindsight> not much on ebay right now, I'd check in jan when everyone starts cleaning out their shops
[12:08:53] <IchGuckLive> fanuc 3000 is a war control
[12:09:16] <IchGuckLive> lots of bad things insite to break
[12:09:33] <jmasseo> i know a guy with a mc-50h
[12:09:35] <jmasseo> it's enormous
[12:09:39] <jmasseo> $4500 it must be busted
[12:09:45] <IchGuckLive> as they went over on this from Siemens to omron
[12:10:08] <CaptHindsight> jmasseo: it's usually just controls
[12:11:03] <jmasseo> that prolight looks like one of those emco pc50's
[12:11:05] <jmasseo> enco? emco?
[12:11:56] <jmasseo> better off with something like
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smithy-622-Sieg-KX3-Mini-CNC-Machining-Center-Milling-Machine/350918591884?_trksid=p2047675.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D18241%26meid%3D2538541148779293009%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D8344%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D321238867393%26
[12:12:01] <jmasseo> god that's a horrifying url
[12:12:01] <jmasseo> sorry
[12:12:13] <jmasseo> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smithy-622-Sieg-KX3-Mini-CNC-Machining-Center-Milling-Machine/350918591884
[12:12:16] <jmasseo> there ew go
[12:12:29] <CaptHindsight> some ebay links are endless
[12:12:52] <jdh> jmasseo: this link is even better:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350918591884
[12:13:23] <jmasseo> right
[12:14:19] <CaptHindsight> http://wichita.craigslist.org/tls/4092146160.html
[12:14:40] <Jymmm> jdh: better yet
http://search.ebay.com/350918591884
[12:15:03] <jmasseo> kind of expensive for a mach3 conversion no?
[12:15:26] <archivist> we dont do mach3 in here
[12:15:41] <archivist> we have better stuph
[12:15:49] <CaptHindsight> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/tls/4117964801.html
[12:15:57] <Jymmm> archivist: skunkworks does, he's always in their forums
[12:16:19] <archivist> he is our spy
[12:16:26] <Jymmm> lol
[12:16:39] <archivist> linuxnsa
[12:17:12] <CaptHindsight> I still have mach3 on the matsuura, it's practically useless the way it's currently setup
[12:17:20] <Jymmm> I like the cabinet... just shove any PC in there...
http://images.craigslist.org/00E0E_OVfhl61HxE_600x450.jpg
[12:17:48] <IchGuckLive> nsa is the best in europ
[12:17:58] <IchGuckLive> as they control the hole goverments
[12:18:29] <jmasseo> that's a big mazak
[12:18:36] <jmasseo> i wonder how much rigging would cost heh
[12:18:54] <skunkworks> know thy enemy...
[12:19:03] <Jymmm> That's an itty bitty estop button! lol
[12:19:08] <CaptHindsight> jmasseo: do you have a trailer?
[12:19:27] <jmasseo> no
[12:19:30] <jmasseo> i usually borrow my friends
[12:19:34] <jmasseo> but i don't know how much weight it's good for
[12:19:42] <archivist> that means yes then :)
[12:19:47] <jmasseo> right
[12:19:49] <jmasseo> i have a pickup
[12:19:52] <jmasseo> but it's like an 01 sierra 1500
[12:19:56] <jmasseo> i think i can tow like 8k?
[12:20:09] <archivist> you can take it to bits and bring back in smaller parts
[12:20:09] <CaptHindsight> it going to be close
[12:20:12] <jmasseo> haul 1500, tow 8000.
[12:20:15] <jmasseo> i think
[12:20:15] <IchGuckLive> is there a tow limit in the USA
[12:20:20] <jmasseo> it's the vehicle's rating
[12:20:28] <IchGuckLive> or only 50tons on highay
[12:20:29] <jmasseo> i don't really care about limits or laws anyway ;)
[12:20:38] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: it based on the vehicle and the trailer
[12:20:44] <IchGuckLive> in taxas the gun is the law
[12:20:51] <IchGuckLive> TX
[12:20:55] <jmasseo> heh
[12:20:58] <jmasseo> and the cops have guns
[12:20:58] <jmasseo> soooo
[12:21:25] <IchGuckLive> oh i thougt they where only payed to look to the other side
[12:22:01] <CaptHindsight> rent a forklift $400
[12:22:17] <IchGuckLive> you can buy one at that price
[12:22:42] <jmasseo> yeah, 8100 max tow and 1800 max payload.
[12:23:00] <CaptHindsight> thats big enough
[12:23:24] <IchGuckLive> seen! JesusAlos
[12:23:26] <CaptHindsight> maybe someone has a front loader there
[12:23:56] <CaptHindsight> ask the seller if he has a way to lead, it's odd that it's not mentioned in the ad
[12:23:56] <jmasseo> unloading it at home might be difficult as well
[12:24:14] <jmasseo> although the tree mill was for the local makerspace
[12:24:15] <jmasseo> they had a lead on it
[12:24:21] <jmasseo> i'dl ike to get my own someday
[12:24:33] <jmasseo> coming to terms with limitations of the home based shop though. :/
[12:25:12] <CaptHindsight> nobel OK is only ~200 miles from you
[12:25:17] <jmasseo> yeah
[12:25:35] <CaptHindsight> you can use a flatbed tow truck, winch it up, slide it down
[12:25:53] <CaptHindsight> tiltbed type
[12:26:10] <jmasseo> i don't own a tow truck :)
[12:26:14] <jmasseo> or have a friend with a tow truck
[12:26:22] <jmasseo> i'm not so sure about that mazak anyway
[12:26:24] <jmasseo> it looks pretty damned rough
[12:26:26] <IchGuckLive> excavator is the goal
[12:26:39] <jmasseo> well, the bed and the verical ways
[12:26:44] <jmasseo> look rough
[12:27:16] <IchGuckLive> its not new B)
[12:27:33] <jmasseo> yeah
[12:27:40] <jthornton> unloading by hand
http://www.gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308.xhtml
[12:27:45] <IchGuckLive> and may be hard in work at the past work shop
[12:28:08] <IchGuckLive> jt is the master of disaster loading
[12:28:11] <CaptHindsight> $1500 is a little bit mire than the scrap price
[12:28:29] <IchGuckLive> thats good
[12:28:37] <IchGuckLive> so you make profit anyway
[12:30:23] <jmasseo> wow
[12:30:24] <jmasseo> impressive
[12:30:27] <jthornton> JT has never had a disaster loading or unloading
[12:33:04] <IchGuckLive> as you are the master to do the job
[12:33:43] <jthornton> lol
[12:34:05] <jmasseo> it may make more sense for me to get a much smaller high speed 4th axis mill
[12:34:07] <jmasseo> like a taig or something
[12:34:17] <jmasseo> since most of what i actually make is jewelry. :)
[12:35:19] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/276103 this moved pretty easily as well, helps if your shop floors are sealed
[12:35:27] <IchGuckLive> I DID it upload 25Mb today 5hr to youtube Corn Harvest 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E0oHK9shM
[12:35:38] <jmasseo> my shop is bare concrete.
[12:35:44] <jmasseo> 18x30
[12:35:50] <IchGuckLive> meter
[12:36:05] <CaptHindsight> then use skates
[12:36:52] <CaptHindsight> I can use soapy water and a walk behind forklift to move any machine on that floor
[12:37:00] <archivist> scaffold pole rollers
[12:37:20] <_DJ_> IchGuckLive, biste bauer?
[12:37:22] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: the egypt build big pyramides on this system
[12:37:42] <IchGuckLive> _DJ_: 8hekta kann man nicht bauer nennen
[12:37:53] * _DJ_ hat mehr :D
[12:37:59] <_DJ_> aber nix biogas
[12:38:15] <CaptHindsight> I tried sand and oiled logs but the sealed concrete floor works out better :)
[12:39:04] <CaptHindsight> the cats aren't as happy though
[12:46:52] <jmasseo> this one just needs a controller
[12:46:53] <jmasseo> http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/tls/4167638971.html
[12:54:11] <pcw_home> Servos missing?
[12:54:56] <skunkworks_> looks that way
[14:24:28] <sirdancealot3> is there a setting to make the gui estop button work even with a physical estop set up? it stopped working.
[14:27:42] <PetefromTn> The Tree mills are actually quite nice. THere is one locally that is for sale but I already have the VMC here and I am not ready for another machine right now.
[14:32:33] <PetefromTn> Are you moving it far?
[14:33:13] <JT_Shop> sirdancealo2, yes
[14:38:46] <sirdancealot3> it works, im an idiot
[14:49:25] <JT_Shop> are you using estop_latch to keep them in sync?
[14:52:06] <Jymmm> can you get needle bearings in any size?
[14:52:42] <sirdancealot3> i dunno what that is, some module? when the machine is turned on, pressing f1 turns it off...thats all, no indication that it was an estop
[14:52:43] <sirdancealot3> but it works
[14:53:13] <Jymmm> I'm looking for around 3" OD, and 2.75" ID
[14:53:40] <sirdancealot3> the gui does indicate the hw push
[14:54:22] <sirdancealot3> its fine with me
[14:55:25] <Jymmm> Sorry, thrust bearings
[14:59:31] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: check Amazon, I was surprised by how many bearings are available there
[14:59:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: thanks
[15:01:14] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: suppliers list bearings on Amamzon lower than their own list prices, but only make 1-2 available at that discounted price
[15:01:32] <Jymmm> ah, well thats all I need =)
[15:02:34] <CaptHindsight> same for tools now, I picked up a $350 diamond coring bit for $50 on amazon and it shipped direct from the manufacturer
[15:02:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: My replacement trackball has a SUCK scrollring (plastic balls it rides on) and feels liek pebbles inside
[15:03:11] <Jymmm> and jams quite a bit
[15:03:12] <CaptHindsight> it was the same part and was not a second or blem
[15:03:19] <Jymmm> nice
[16:14:34] <andypugh> Got bored of watching the mill and turned the lights out :-)
[16:18:07] <Tom_itx> running a long job?
[16:19:16] <andypugh> Looks like it :-)
[16:19:35] <andypugh> Partly because the CAM cuts a lot of air (grump)
[16:20:04] <Tom_itx> i seldom use canned cuts when i do a model
[16:20:41] <Tom_itx> do all the cut offsets manually and stack em
[16:20:58] <Tom_itx> takes a bit longer but it's quicker on the machine
[16:22:38] <andypugh> What bugs me are the rapids to safe heigh follwed by a feed to the next waterline level. Why not rapid to the previous waterline level then feed?
[16:24:55] <andypugh> Like this (warning, very tedious)
[16:24:57] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU3jcyPze0U
[16:31:54] <KimK> There might be a preference setting or post setting in the CAM program, Andy. Maybe worth a look?
[16:33:39] <KimK> Unless a friend generated the CAM for you as a favor, and you can't really complain?
[16:35:53] <andypugh> No, I am using the trial version of Meshworks (pretty good, actually, but I am not sure it is worth $250 to me)
[16:36:13] <andypugh> The partner cut simulator is fairly groovy too.
[16:37:16] <andypugh> I am happy enough with PyCAM in many ways, but it is just so exceptionally slow, ie overnight runs for paths that MeshCAM does in seconds.
[16:39:47] <_DJ_> gn8
[16:40:26] <Connor> I like CamBam.
[16:40:34] <KimK> Oh, really? I hadn't heard that about PyCAM. I've never used PyCAM except to turn it on, fiddle with it a little and then turn it off again. OK. Back in a bit.
[16:53:52] <jmasseo> pycam?
[16:54:32] <jmasseo> latest release 2011. =(
[17:19:30] <maZer`-> does someone know a good gearbox or way for a 4th axis ?
[17:23:06] <Tom_itx> yeah mine has the safe clear height setting but i usually just leave it the same for all the tools
[17:23:47] <Tom_itx> unless it's a flat plate or such with a bunch of holes etc where i want it as short as i can safely get
[17:24:54] <maZer`-> ok
[17:25:43] <Tom_itx> maZer`- for what size mill?
[17:26:00] <maZer`-> also is a little bit bigger, is 400x400x400 way
[17:26:13] <Tom_itx> harmonic drives make good rotaries
[17:26:15] <maZer`-> but diameter of 4th axis should have something about 300mm
[17:26:26] <maZer`-> Tom_itx yes but its unpayable :(
[17:26:58] <Tom_itx> worm screws have backlash but there are plenty of them out there
[17:27:48] <maZer`-> hm
[17:27:57] <maZer`-> backlash is the play?
[17:28:16] <maZer`-> ahh okok now understand!: D
[17:37:55] <andypugh> maZer`-: Make one of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrvwlPxRhKU
[17:45:09] <maZer`-> andypugh ohhhaa :D
[17:45:17] <maZer`-> that looks very difficult :D
[17:45:39] <andypugh> I don't think there are any hard-to-make parts there.
[17:48:44] <maZer`-> hm :)
[17:49:12] <andypugh> iges files at www.bodgesoc.org/cycloidal.igs if you want a look.
[17:49:30] <FreezingCold> So this EMCO mill crashes when I load a pycam drawing (gcode, 11kb), but works fine with my manual drawings (gcode, 1kb)
[17:49:36] <FreezingCold> suggestions on whats wrong
[17:49:37] <FreezingCold> ?
[17:49:49] <FreezingCold> sorry for the horrible typing, only one hand
[17:50:25] <andypugh> (Probably worth pointing out that the Emco isn't running LinuxCNC)
[17:50:36] <andypugh> Well, probably not. :-)
[17:51:19] <FreezingCold> True
[17:51:23] <FreezingCold> it's a retarded program
[17:51:30] <FreezingCold> but sadly that's what my college gives me =/
[17:52:11] <cradek> could be anything that's wrong with the gcode that tickles a bug or feature in the control. does it give you any clues? an error message? have you bisected the code to find the part that causes the error?
[17:52:21] <andypugh> If you need a workaround, you may be able to split the program.
[17:53:03] <andypugh> Though 11k is still pretty small, so I would be surprised if it was a size problem.
[17:54:48] <cradek> that is 90 feet of paper tape, which is a very long program for an old control. I think my boss8 bridgeport had 100 feet of ram.
[17:55:22] <andypugh> If you can measure it in feet, isn't it SAM?
[17:55:54] <cradek> well it actually had ram, and they specified it in feet, I shit you not
[18:00:55] <somenewguy> I always figured IRC was a time machine
[18:01:40] <cradek> I happen to know that linuxcnc is running that mill now (I don't have it anymore)
[18:02:49] <cradek> I guess it had 12kB of RAM == 100 ft.
[18:09:46] * WalterN rolls eyes
[18:10:01] <WalterN> where I used to work we had an emco CNC lathe with a C-axes
[18:10:10] <WalterN> its a fun machine
[18:13:10] <andypugh> I have a weldon-type tool holder. 16mm. Looks quite useful except the grub-screw is missing.
[18:13:37] <andypugh> That wouldn't normally be a problem. except it appears to be M14.
[18:14:33] <andypugh> I can't find M14 grub screws in any of the usual places. The only option seems to be to import 25 from Hong Kong.
[18:15:09] <andypugh> (Wierdly, they exist in the US too. Perhaps as a non-metric country the US is unaware that M14 doesn't exist :-)
[18:15:23] <roycroft> excuse me
[18:15:32] <roycroft> but the us officially adopted the metric system in the 1870
[18:15:33] <roycroft> s
[18:15:39] <roycroft> and then again in the 1970s
[18:15:45] <roycroft> we're doubly metric :P
[18:16:25] <roycroft> so maybe in the 2070s folks will get with the plan
[18:16:29] <roycroft> third time's a charm, after all
[18:16:48] <andypugh> You probably would have been metric in 1813 except you were at war with us at the time, and the ship carrying the French chap with a metre standard was captured :-)
[18:17:05] <CaptHindsight> I thought M + any number was good for metric fasteners
[18:17:14] <roycroft> we started erecting road signs in km in the mid '70s
[18:17:15] <jdh> Mpi
[18:17:22] <roycroft> and then when ronald reagan was elected president they all came down
[18:17:30] <CaptHindsight> any whole number
[18:18:02] <jdh> M0?
[18:18:24] <roycroft> M00
[18:18:34] <roycroft> i haven't seen a metric cow lately
[18:19:58] <CaptHindsight> http://tinyurl.com/mbvsv45 in Texas (sort of like the USA)
[18:23:04] <andypugh> That story about the captured metre standard was something I read in:
http://www.amazon.com/World-Balance-Historic-Absolute-Measurement/dp/0393072983/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1383869188&sr=8-2&keywords=World+in+the+Balance Which is a book I found very interesting.
[18:24:45] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: $38 for the minumum order and they won't ship to the UK..
[18:25:22] <andypugh> FreezingCold: Did you try seeing if splitting the program into two halves leaves you with two programs that run, or one that runs and one that crashes?
[18:25:36] <FreezingCold> [18:49:15] <FreezingCold> cradek: turns out it was the comments added by pycam
[18:25:36] <FreezingCold> [18:49:20] <FreezingCold> and the brackets
[18:25:37] <FreezingCold> [18:49:24] <FreezingCold> so took those out, and bangggggg
[18:25:37] <FreezingCold> [18:49:26] <FreezingCold> :)
[18:25:37] <FreezingCold> [19:06:23] * Disconnected (Connection timed out)
[18:26:14] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: what length do you need?
[18:26:32] <andypugh> 16mm.
[18:27:51] <andypugh> I will just make one.
[18:33:37] * cpresser wonders if you earn much money if you open a webshop which sells metric stuff to US/UK customers
[18:34:04] <cpresser> or vice versa, imperial for all others :)
[18:34:55] <andypugh> Pretty much all fasteners used in the UK are metric. You can get Imperial from spcialists, but only for old stuff.
[18:36:46] <somenewguy> I live in the US and only use metric
[18:37:01] <somenewguy> cause I drive a german car, I stock all metric hardware, and then decided my company would be metric too
[18:37:15] <somenewguy> even tho all our parts are dimensioned in inches, metric hardware is so much damn easier to keep straight
[19:15:30] <WalterN> C4-SVJBL-27050-11B
[19:15:42] <WalterN> not finding the inserts for that tool holder
[19:16:10] <WalterN> I am finding C4-SVJBL-27050-16 pretty easily... not sure what the difference is
[19:33:29] <ChuangTzu> inserts?
[19:34:30] <WalterN> http://www2.coromant.sandvik.com/coromant/pdf/metalworking_products_061/main_a_14.pdf
[19:35:05] <WalterN> page 7
[19:35:58] <WalterN> what does gauge inserts mean?
[19:37:10] <ChuangTzu> hmm
[19:37:13] <ChuangTzu> no idea
[19:38:34] <WalterN> herm
[19:40:45] <Jymmm> what page?
[19:41:08] <Jymmm> and dont say 7
[19:42:23] <WalterN> A 123
[19:42:47] <Jymmm> where?
[19:42:57] <WalterN> the most recently linked PDF
[19:42:58] <Jymmm> oh
[19:43:10] <Jymmm> I meant where on the page, but found it
[19:43:41] <WalterN> C4-SVJBL-27050-11
[19:43:45] <WalterN> well
[19:43:51] <WalterN> R/L
[19:44:34] <WalterN> mine might be an 11-B1, but I donno about that... I have an insert sitting in front of me that came out of that tool holder
[19:44:41] <Jymmm> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-us/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?c=VBMT%2011%2002%2004-UF%201025
[19:44:58] <WalterN> thats what I did too
[19:45:08] <WalterN> but the insert sitting infront of me is not that thickness
[19:45:14] <Jymmm> One is the head, the other is the insert
[19:45:32] <WalterN> it is 0.14" thick
[19:47:43] <WalterN> unless somebody stuck the next size up insert in it or something
[20:19:11] <somenewguy> here is a hellishly open ended question
[20:19:15] <somenewguy> how do you guys maintain your gcode?
[20:19:28] <Tom_itx> what do you mean maintain?
[20:19:35] <Tom_itx> periodic oil change?
[20:19:37] <somenewguy> I mean when you code something, make it, tweak it, etc
[20:19:53] <somenewguy> how do you manage to keep track of "this code is perfect and functional"
[20:20:00] <Tom_itx> i write mine in cad cam and tweak the gcode in a txt editor
[20:20:05] <somenewguy> "this code works but part correctness is unkown" and "work in progress"
[20:20:15] <Tom_itx> i don't keep bad code
[20:20:34] <Tom_itx> also put them in project directories
[20:20:42] <Tom_itx> labeled in some sensible way
[20:20:49] <somenewguy> so when you are woring w/ code, you sit with it till its done, first session every time?
[20:21:01] <somenewguy> I am working with that system myself, but it feels like it could be better
[20:21:03] <Tom_itx> usually
[20:21:24] <Tom_itx> unless i'm confident enough it's good then i'll just run it
[20:21:27] <somenewguy> I am tempted ot use git lol, but honestlly i have no clue if that will just waste time or help
[20:21:51] <Tom_itx> well if it's not proprietary
[20:21:56] <Tom_itx> some of mine was
[20:22:10] <somenewguy> my biggest issue is having 2 or 3 minor differences in parts that will look identical in code
[20:22:32] <somenewguy> I figured there was no good answer, and my system si getting much better thanks to using subroutines wherever possible
[20:22:48] <Tom_itx> someone here wrote a macro for such a situation
[20:22:58] <Tom_itx> where he could set variables for various features
[20:23:57] <Tom_itx> generally if i have more than one position, i use the part name with a _P1 _P2 etc to indicate the position
[20:24:15] <somenewguy> speaking of which, si there a walk thru or "for dummies" tutorial for ngcgui
[20:24:35] <somenewguy> as for keeping track of code sounds like we have the same ideas
[20:24:55] <somenewguy> I have a folder system that works pretty well, and arule about, when in doubt, nuke it and start over
[20:25:09] <somenewguy> helps that my parts are simple
[20:25:19] <Tom_itx> i usually go back to the model and fix it there
[20:25:36] <Tom_itx> unless i'm tweaking the code for ultimate speed and no air cuts
[20:25:44] <somenewguy> oh my parts are very very very simple
[20:25:55] <somenewguy> i don't even have true CAM software yet
[20:25:56] <Tom_itx> would be silly to do that unless you were running production
[20:26:00] <somenewguy> mostly just large hole patterns
[20:26:10] <somenewguy> or small, with a slot or two lol
[20:26:51] <somenewguy> ssoon I will have models to tweak again, gotta settle on a software package still for CAD. shame everything isn't free lol
[20:32:28] <Tom_itx> good ones aren't
[20:40:56] <somenewguy> not at all
[20:41:28] <somenewguy> I desperatly want varicad to work out for me, but the work flow is like what cadkey was 10 years ago
[20:41:47] <somenewguy> so I am hellishly slow working in it, and it's only really parametric on 3d models, 2d models are lumpy and oldschool
[20:42:11] <Tom_itx> mine is old school but it's paid for and it's mine
[20:42:19] <Tom_itx> and it still does full 3d models
[20:42:23] <somenewguy> BUT it works nativly in linux so that is a big plus
[20:42:55] <somenewguy> its either varicad or alibre at this point
[20:43:14] <somenewguy> which boils down to which is more important to me, version control in alibre, or linux for varicad
[20:43:26] <somenewguy> still a toss up, I have a demo version of each and am trying to log hours w/ em as fast as possible
[20:43:28] <Tom_itx> around here most machine shops use catia nowdays
[20:43:36] <Tom_itx> some still use mastercam
[20:43:40] <Tom_itx> i have smartcam
[20:43:55] <Tom_itx> catia is not cheap
[20:44:09] <Tom_itx> my bud paid 75k for a seat
[20:44:36] <Tom_itx> and you still have to add a windows post
[20:45:02] <somenewguy> i only heard of catia recently when I was reading about Solidworks, which has been my goto program ever since I started college
[20:45:17] <somenewguy> of course I graduated now and am looking longly at a copy of it, but its like 6-12k for a seat
[20:45:23] <somenewguy> mastercam does CAD?
[20:45:29] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:45:29] <somenewguy> I thought it only did the cam conversion
[20:45:33] <Tom_itx> cad cam
[20:45:39] <somenewguy> oh interesting
[20:45:41] <Tom_itx> i haven't looked at it for years
[20:45:49] <somenewguy> so you use smartcam, that does cadcam?
[20:45:52] <Tom_itx> i didn't like it as well as smartcam at the time
[20:45:57] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:46:03] <somenewguy> how much is a seat of that?
[20:46:20] <Tom_itx> 20+ yrs ago i gave around 6 or 8k
[20:46:58] <Tom_itx> if you like solidworks get that with a cam addon
[20:47:13] <Tom_itx> i like it but i'm not good with it
[20:47:45] <somenewguy> I guess time wil ltell
[20:48:02] <somenewguy> currerntly the packages I am looking at are in the 1500 range, which is more justifiable for now
[20:48:12] <Tom_itx> if you're just a hobbyist it would be silly to get a commercial package
[20:48:32] <somenewguy> true
[20:48:36] <Tom_itx> if not, it's worth getting the right thing once
[20:48:48] <somenewguy> I havea rule where any expensive tool Ibuy needs to pay for itself, and currently I don't have a good project where a cad package would pay for itself
[20:48:55] <Tom_itx> all mine have
[20:49:03] <somenewguy> I'm hoping to come up w/ such a project
[20:49:09] <Tom_itx> it paid for itself in the first year
[20:49:32] <somenewguy> comparing my speed on the different packages, I can imagine what pro quality will save you in time when you are actually doing real work
[20:49:55] <Tom_itx> there's a learning curve to any of em
[20:49:57] <somenewguy> and there DEFFINATLY isn't a free CAD package out there that can even begin to be consideredgood enough
[20:50:24] <somenewguy> true, but my first 2 years of school I used solidworks, autocad invertor, and proE
[20:50:37] <jdh> draftsight. for some definition of 'free' and 'good'. 2d though
[20:50:55] <somenewguy> and I got much faster much quicker in any one of those 3 than I have so far in anything else I have tried, alibre and varicad included
[20:51:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.nccs.com/pages/nccs_home.html
[20:51:20] <Tom_itx> good for multi axis
[20:51:22] <Tom_itx> i hear
[20:51:28] <somenewguy> I've been meaning to try draftsight, sometimes 2d is all you need to quickly make something on the mill
[20:52:20] <Tom_itx> ngcgui will do most of that for you
[20:53:30] <somenewguy> true, if you have dimensions lying around it seems so far
[20:53:51] <somenewguy> unless I have yet to find the awesome tools for ngcgui, which is quite possible
[20:54:06] <somenewguy> it is hard to use unless you have a checklist infront of you "10 hole pattern here, slot here, etc etc"
[20:54:33] <somenewguy> I am a visual guy, I alwaysn eed an annotated sketch to try and verify my code
[20:55:06] <Tom_itx> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/ngcgui/index.html
[20:55:57] <somenewguy> saw somethign on that site
[20:56:01] <somenewguy> o100 if [#<tool> NE #5400]
[20:56:02] <somenewguy> T#<tool> M6 G43
[20:56:04] <somenewguy> o100 endif
[20:56:14] <somenewguy> that is to check inside a subroutine that the proper tool is loaded, if not, load it
[20:56:41] <somenewguy> why would you need that? I thought I noticed the other day that if you call for a tool change on a tool that is already loaded it just skips over it
[21:11:57] <tjb1> 64gb flash drive for $16 -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-178-660
[21:43:42] <KimK> tjb1: Yours says $16? Mine says $34.99 on sale for $24.99 (22% off) after rebate (I hate rebates, why don't the mfgr and retailer sort it out themselves, why drag me into it? Just lower the price. Or don't.) 25% off with some promo code, but I didn't bother to check it out.
[21:44:12] <KimK> tjb1: But nevermind all that, how are you?
[22:01:49] <somenewguy> I'm haivng some trouble setting up ngcgui
[22:02:02] <somenewguy> where in my path is the sim config directory?
[22:02:18] <somenewguy> i foudn it no problem on my home pc that has only sim installed, but I can't find it here on my shop pc
[22:05:19] <Tom_itx> did you create a sim?
[22:06:08] <WalterN> somenewguy:
http://www.openplm.org/trac you asked about keeping track of good programs and stuff
[22:06:29] <somenewguy> no
[22:06:33] <WalterN> I havent used it, but it seems like a good thing to have
[22:06:52] <somenewguy> the way I understand it, inside the sim directory is the handfull of demo ngcgui programs
[22:07:07] <somenewguy> so I was gonna add it to my search path so I can use them as advertised here
[22:07:18] <somenewguy> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/ngcgui.html
[22:07:27] <somenewguy> but my config folder only has the configs I made
[22:07:35] <somenewguy> I can't figure out where the pre-rolled ones live
[22:07:52] <somenewguy> or are they only sitting on my liveCD and never made it to the real install since I never asked for them?
[22:08:30] <atom1> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib:/home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib/utilitysubs
[22:08:30] <atom1> USER_M_PATH = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib/mfiles:/home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/
[22:08:38] <atom1> that's what i have for it
[22:09:06] <somenewguy> ok maybe its not as recursive as I thought
[22:09:23] <somenewguy> I'll add full directory, I stopped at nggui_lib i think\
[22:10:17] <atom1> some of that could be for other stuff too
[22:10:30] <somenewguy> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/cnc/mysubs:../../../nc_files/ngcgui_lib:../../../nc_files/ngcgui_lib/utilitysubs
[22:10:35] <somenewguy> hmmm
[22:14:01] <somenewguy> ok it is not seeing files that are deffintly in the search path
[22:14:42] <somenewguy> when it says "restart required" it means axis, not hte pc, right?
[22:15:06] <somenewguy> I changed my ../../../ to explicit location of the files and it is not turning up
[22:15:10] <atom1> i believe so
[22:16:00] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[22:16:06] <atom1> you can look at my ini
[22:16:22] <somenewguy> AHAH!
[22:16:28] <somenewguy> I misplaced a leading /
[22:16:49] <somenewguy> so it didn't throw an error which is kidn of wierd, but it was ont actually in the directory I was asking for
[22:17:14] <somenewguy> "home/cnc/path_to_stuff" failed without error
[22:17:25] <somenewguy> "/home/cnc/path_to_stuff" worked
[22:17:27] <somenewguy> derp
[22:17:32] <somenewguy> thanks anyways tho!
[22:17:43] <Tom_itx> np
[23:21:26] <somenewguy> argh, I am getting an "unkown m code" error
[23:21:43] <somenewguy> and no heads up as to which line, and I can't find it in the qpocket.ngc I am using for hte first time
[23:23:44] <somenewguy> I did a search for M1, M2, etc all the way to M0, and only found M2s and M3s, those should be fine....
[23:23:49] <somenewguy> can unkown mcode mean osmething else?
[23:24:01] <KimK> somenewguy: Post what you're using on
http://pastebin.com/ (or your favorite place) and let us look at it.
[23:26:17] <somenewguy> ok here is the code
[23:26:19] <somenewguy> http://pastebin.com/a2CKUnRM
[23:26:23] <somenewguy> its like 95% comments
[23:26:27] <somenewguy> and here is the sub
[23:28:35] <somenewguy> http://pastebin.com/bauARLNX
[23:28:46] <somenewguy> sorry the only thign slower than this pc is my internet conection out here
[23:38:57] <KimK> I think you need an M2 after the end of your subroutine, after o<qpocket> endsub, after line 455. Try that first, maybe?
[23:49:20] <somenewguy> there is already an M2 at the end of the code, if you look at the first pastebin
[23:49:36] <somenewguy> I belive the ngcgui inserts that magically
[23:49:47] <somenewguy> *inserted
[23:57:21] <KimK> OK, but I think your subr needs an M2 at the end of it too, if you are calling it as a separate file.
[23:58:33] <KimK> If you include a subr in the calling file (it must appear first in the code), then you only need one M2 at the end.
