#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-11-05

[00:34:04] <grandixximo> Need help with Joint axes branch, i can't make the KINS gentrickins work properly, i setup everything like i think is supposed to, but i can never get the joint 3 to move, whatever i write in the coordinates parameter of the kins loading
[00:34:38] <grandixximo> only if i display an axis more so A then i can move the joint 3
[00:35:27] <grandixximo> in theory it should be coordinates=XYYZ then joint 0 moves x, joint 1 and 2 move Y, and joint 3 moves Z
[00:37:13] <grandixximo> what actually happens isi move X and Joint 0 moves nothing, i move Y and joint 1 moves X, i move Z and joint 2 moves Y
[00:37:48] <grandixximo> I try to change the coordinates in [traj], and geometry in [display]
[00:37:55] <grandixximo> nothing seems to change
[00:38:14] <grandixximo> kins are gentrivkins
[00:54:29] <Valen> ey PCW you around?
[01:46:55] <MacGalempsy> anything exciting going on out there?
[01:55:00] <_DJ_> moin
[02:01:02] <Jymmm> _DJ_: howdy
[02:35:29] <grandixximo_> anyone can help me with joint_axes2?
[02:35:31] <grandixximo_> anyone can help me with joint_axes3?
[03:08:45] <MacGalempsy_> evening anyone around who could help me get started pulliing pin data from the mesa cards?
[06:29:31] <MacGalempsy> morning
[06:29:41] <_DJ_> hi mac
[06:32:15] <MacGalempsy> _DJ_: anything good going on?
[06:33:38] <_DJ_> lot of work to do :/
[06:34:28] <MacGalempsy> me too. sitting here trying to figureo out how to get the halcmd show pins to see my two daughter cards...
[06:34:46] <skunkworks> show pin
[06:34:55] <skunkworks> or is it pins
[06:35:05] <MacGalempsy> both return blank
[06:35:26] <skunkworks> no error?
[06:35:29] <MacGalempsy> I start linux cnc in the terminal, then type the halcmd and it doesnt work
[06:35:42] <skunkworks> you need to open another terminal
[06:35:56] <MacGalempsy> ?
[06:36:29] <skunkworks> the terminal that you are running linuxcnc - is just running linuxcnc. you need to open another terminal to run the halcmd
[06:36:59] <MacGalempsy> oh. ok. let me shut down here and go out to the garage. brb
[06:38:28] <MacGalempsy__> ok
[06:46:28] <skunkworks> sucess?
[06:47:24] <MacGalempsy__> no
[06:47:32] <skunkworks> what are you doing?
[06:48:05] <MacGalempsy__> open linuxcnc and then firstnpage opens
[06:48:20] <MacGalempsy__> then open terminal and cd linuxcnc
[06:48:33] <MacGalempsy__> then halrun
[06:49:15] <skunkworks> what is the 'firstnpage'?
[06:49:59] <MacGalempsy__> confic selector
[06:50:50] <skunkworks> hmm.. Do you have a working mesa config?
[06:51:16] <MacGalempsy__> when i lspci i csn see the 5i25
[06:52:24] <skunkworks> right..
[06:52:47] <MacGalempsy__> but i cannot tell if the other cards are viewed
[06:52:47] <skunkworks> but for halcmd to see the pins - the hostmot hal driver needs to be running...
[06:53:02] <MacGalempsy__> how do i do that?
[06:53:25] <skunkworks> are you running linuxcnc installed or run in place?
[06:53:42] <MacGalempsy__> installed
[06:53:47] <jthornton> wouldn't it be easier to just start up a sample 5i25 config?
[06:53:58] <skunkworks> Yes
[06:54:18] <MacGalempsy__> but when i go to pick the firmware there is no 7i84
[06:54:19] <skunkworks> Is there one somewhere?
[06:54:36] <jthornton> I have one here http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
[06:55:28] <jthornton> pick the firmware from what/where?
[06:56:21] <MacGalempsy__> sorry for being soo noobish. i just got the main wiring all hooked to the mesa boards but learning how to configure
[06:56:34] <skunkworks> I think that if you have the daughter card powered up - the 5i25/linuxcnc will find it and know the pins.
[06:57:16] <MacGalempsy__> so i open pncconfig and select 5i25
[06:57:23] <jthornton> yea, the 5i25 has the firmware in it
[06:58:04] <jthornton> and?
[06:58:30] <MacGalempsy__> when i get to mesa i/o setup. there is no 7i77+7i84
[06:59:19] <jthornton> unless Chris Morley has programmed pncconf for the 7i84 it won't be there
[06:59:45] <MacGalempsy__> so that is what i am trying to lesrn how to do
[07:00:23] <jthornton> I'm sorry what is "that"?
[07:01:18] <MacGalempsy__> that is to get a firmwae with the 7i84 pins on it
[07:02:00] <skunkworks> did peter make you a special firmware?
[07:02:24] <jthornton> the firmware is loaded in the 5i25, pncconf uses an xml file to show the pins for it's configuration
[07:02:54] <jthornton> if you power up the field I/O and run a sample config you can see all the pins
[07:02:56] <skunkworks> and I don't see an xml file that includes the 7i84
[07:04:32] <PetefromTn> MacGalempsy__: Make sure you have Field IO powered as JT said...
[07:04:40] <jthornton> are you sure you have a 7i84?
[07:05:02] <jthornton> it is not a card that you can plug into a 5i25
[07:05:03] <MacGalempsy__> field power in both is good
[07:05:37] <MacGalempsy__> they said it id the lower half of the 7i77
[07:06:11] <skunkworks> I think it is sserial - so it should plug into the i777
[07:06:16] <skunkworks> 7i77
[07:06:26] <jthornton> ah ok
[07:06:32] <MacGalempsy__> rs to 7i84
[07:07:22] <skunkworks> heh - I don't know how that works.. I don't have anything that has smart serial
[07:07:51] <skunkworks> I would guess that though - if you start with a sample 5i25 config - you can start adding things.
[07:08:22] <MacGalempsy__> ok so i get 4 tabs in the configuration board
[07:08:23] <MacGalempsy__> two say smart serial
[07:09:00] <skunkworks> or - you can start with the pncconfig wizard and setup your 5i25-7i77 then manually setup the 7i84
[07:09:43] <jthornton> either way would work the sample config I linked to is a bit easier to read than the pnconf configs IMHO
[07:10:11] <skunkworks> I bet :) (I don't use the wizards...)
[07:10:44] <MacGalempsy__> guys its all so new im confused
[07:11:12] <MacGalempsy__> i can set up the 7i77 then do the 7i84 later
[07:11:40] <MacGalempsy__> may need more help at that time
[07:11:50] <skunkworks> sure
[07:11:56] <jthornton> you can just run the sample configuration I linked to for the 7i77 then see all the pins with show hal configuration
[07:12:29] <MacGalempsy__> ok.
[07:13:58] <jthornton> let me find something for you...
[07:16:17] <jthornton> MacGalempsy__, http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/27-driver-boards/26618-5i25-with-7i76-not-responding-correctly?start=10#35196
[07:16:41] <jthornton> MacGalempsy__, do you know how to open a terminal in Linux?
[07:17:07] <MacGalempsy__> yes i csn
[07:17:09] <MacGalempsy__> can
[07:17:26] <jthornton> that link shows the basic way to see what pins you have
[07:17:52] <jthornton> so step 1 see if you have all the pins you expect
[07:19:18] <skunkworks> jthornton, you con't need to load trivkins, motmod for this experiement..
[07:19:33] <jthornton> ok, thanks
[07:20:08] <skunkworks> (not that it hurts - just give you pins you are not looking for)
[07:20:54] <jthornton> I need to make an example for my website
[07:24:08] <MacGalempsy__> the 24v does not power on until the power switch is turned on
[07:24:23] <MacGalempsy__> maybe that is the issue
[07:36:40] <Tom_itx> did you load a sserial driver in your ini file?
[07:37:43] <Tom_itx> i made a custom driver for my 7i47 for the sserial 7i84 but don't have the card yet to play with
[07:38:50] <atom1> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/7i43-4/SVST2_4_7I47SS.BIT num_encoders=2 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=4 sserial_port_0=3x"
[07:38:59] <Tom_itx> see the sserial entry?
[07:39:25] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: I think Mac Logged off to try something possibly...
[07:39:55] <Tom_itx> i'll let you tell him then :)
[07:40:39] <Tom_itx> the bit file needs the sserial available which i'm told the 5i25 has but you need to add it to the ini config line
[07:41:12] <Tom_itx> just like you would do for stepgen or pwmgen etc
[07:41:44] <Tom_itx> then you need to know what pins on the daughter card to use for it
[07:44:15] <jthornton> Tom_itx, a 5i25 uses a different line to load than other cards
[07:44:18] <jthornton> loadrt hm2_pci config="num_encoders=1 num_stepgens=5 sserial_port_0=0XXX"
[07:44:29] <Tom_itx> probably so
[07:44:44] <Tom_itx> i was just using mine as an example
[07:44:50] <jthornton> a bit file is not loaded at boot up
[07:44:56] <Tom_itx> really?
[07:45:25] <Tom_itx> well my cards _are_ ancient
[07:45:36] <skunkworks> heh -
[07:46:17] <skunkworks> the newer cards you have to upload the firmware if you want something different (unlike the 5i20 that loads it every time)
[07:46:52] <Tom_itx> so they have onboard ram flash or something there to contain virtually the same thing?
[07:47:10] <skunkworks> that is how I understand it
[07:47:11] <jthornton> it's magic I think
[07:47:14] <Tom_itx> the fpga still needs to load it from somewhere
[07:47:30] <Tom_itx> they just put some memory onboard for it instead
[07:47:36] <Tom_itx> i'm guessing
[07:47:36] <skunkworks> rigbht
[07:48:12] <Tom_itx> makes it a bit harder to play with your configuration
[07:48:31] <skunkworks> eh - drastic changes - yes
[07:48:49] <Tom_itx> for example, my 7i47 didn't support sserial
[07:48:53] <skunkworks> but it has a certain amount of stepgens or such - you still tell it how many you need.
[07:49:14] <Tom_itx> but it _would_ do it given the right firmware
[07:49:40] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, yeah that part should be quite similar to the old cards
[07:49:47] <skunkworks> right
[07:50:00] <Tom_itx> but the functions have to be in the firmware in order to enable them
[07:50:08] <skunkworks> correct
[07:51:13] <Tom_itx> you don't need a jtag cable to upload firmware to the 5i25 do you?
[07:51:16] <Tom_itx> i'm again guessing you do
[07:51:26] <skunkworks> nope
[07:51:44] <Tom_itx> unless they have built that into the fpga
[07:51:47] <skunkworks> all done through the pci and mesaflash utillity
[07:51:57] <Tom_itx> i had a board once that had the jtag built in the chip
[07:52:25] <Tom_itx> for an old 68332 card i had
[07:53:05] <Tom_itx> sounds like they did something similar
[07:55:38] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, does the mesaflash come bundled with their bitfile zip now?
[07:56:58] <Tom_itx> or is that another separate download you get from them?
[07:57:20] <Tom_itx> i missed getting a 5i25 by about a month when i was doing my system but i'm interested how it works
[07:57:53] <jdh> buy one now.
[07:58:04] <Tom_itx> no budget for it right now
[07:58:08] <jdh> I need something for my lathe
[07:58:45] <Tom_itx> i would have had to wait for andy to fix the sserial etc drivers too :D
[08:02:01] <Tom_itx> do lathes require fewer io than mill or about the same?
[08:02:56] <archivist> depends....
[08:02:59] <Tom_itx> single spindle single tool changer lathes that is..
[08:03:32] <jdh> I only need two stepgens, spindle encoder, maybe limits
[08:04:09] <Tom_itx> no type of encoder on z so you can do tapping?
[08:04:48] <archivist> the encoder is on the spindle
[08:05:04] <Tom_itx> true but it still needs to know where z is
[08:05:16] <jdh> you touch off Z, it knows where it is.
[08:05:20] <archivist> z is the linear axis moving the tap to the spindle on a lathe
[08:05:34] <Tom_itx> jdh, you're assuming it won't miss any steps
[08:05:40] <jdh> I am
[08:06:15] <jdh> My goal was to just use parts I had, other than buying ball-screws.
[08:06:42] <jdh> I have some breakout boards and I'm using commercial stepper drives that run off 120vac
[08:07:21] <jdh> so I'll probably just add another p-port to my Mill PC (that uses a 7i43)
[08:08:46] <archivist> I only have a 48 pulse and index encoder on the lathe so only screw cut
[08:11:27] <jdh> my current encoder wheel design has 50 lines. Haven't cut it yet though.
[08:12:34] <skunkworks> jdh, s6?
[08:13:18] <jdh> A drives
[08:13:26] <jdh> they pre-date S drives
[08:14:24] <skunkworks> ah - we have a bunch of s6's - very nice devices
[08:14:56] <jdh> yeah, we have lots of them in use at work.
[08:15:27] <skunkworks> they zing the steppers with rectified line voltage...Approx 160
[08:15:29] <skunkworks> v
[08:15:50] <jdh> I have an S8 in my cabinet here I rescued from the trash
[08:18:09] <jdh> the A drives are pretty similar to S, but have less current.
[08:27:36] <PetefromTn> Wow just got off the phone with digikey.....
[08:29:19] <PetefromTn> I purchased this nice Avago optical encoder for my Cincinatti Arrow 500 spindle encoder and upon trying to take it apart and some help from folks here yesterday came to determine that I am missing the base plate to the encoder. They checked the order and after talking to their tech to ensure I was correct about the way it goes together they are sending me a brand new one for free including shipping.... Excellent customer
[08:29:19] <PetefromTn> service.
[08:30:30] <PetefromTn> Now I am sitting here trying to think of a way I can make a base plate for this one to be able to use it and have two LOL... Might be able to use it somehow on the toolchanger maybe or for another project. SWEET!!
[08:52:16] <ChristianS> is http://www.joescnc.com/themachines-hybrid.php is good entry-level DIY router? it looks pretty neat to me, though i would built it smaller
[08:54:01] <jdh> looks a little more than entry-level, but also useable for larger things.
[08:57:35] <ChristianS> jdh: i would probably down-scale it to save space, but the design looks sufficiently sound and solid to you?
[08:58:21] <jdh> or a router, sure.
[08:58:26] <jdh> for a router
[08:59:55] <ChristianS> well i'd like to be able to mill aluminum and wood and pcb boards, doesn't have to be strong enough for steel or so
[09:05:24] * `Nerobro_ needs to put the steppers on his mill..
[09:06:18] <jdh> too big for PCB, probably not rigid enough for aluminum
[09:06:32] <jdh> you have conflicting needs
[09:07:08] <jdh> That design would probably not scale down that small.
[09:07:27] <`Nerobro_> pcb is about repeatability and precision. :-/ Aluminum needs to handle much stronger spindle forces.
[09:07:48] <`Nerobro_> ChristianS, I have two or three klienuber designs I could give out.. I think
[09:08:35] <jdh> my initial goal for a CNC machine was about the same. Mainly PC boards. Haven't really made any.
[09:13:36] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: make a mold of the plate, cast another
[09:13:41] <ChristianS> jdh: not sure i'd really use it much for that either, but i'd like to have that flexibility, aren't there suitable solutions?
[09:14:19] <jdh> tradeoff everywhere
[09:14:33] * ChristianS has also heard good things about the CNC 6040Z-S80: http://www.carving-cnc.com/cnc6040-series/cnc-6040z-s80-new-router-engraver-drilling-and-milling-machine.html
[09:15:47] <jdh> where are you?
[09:16:25] <jdh> that would probably be more immediately satisfying
[09:16:34] <CaptHindsight> do you have the tools to make your own parts or are you limited to kits and precut t-slot?
[09:16:38] <PetefromTn> CaptHindsight: Hey man not a bad idea, It does have lots of little nooks and crannies that could prove difficult to reproduce
[09:16:56] <jdh> (The unique and dedicated mold extrusion profiles, Let counterfeiters dwarfs
[09:17:52] <ChristianS> jdh: currently in thailand, but usually in germany
[09:18:31] <PetefromTn> jdh: was that directed to me?
[09:18:38] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: the 5I25 has on card SPI flash
[09:18:39] <pcw_home> It cant work without external memory since
[09:18:40] <pcw_home> the host (PCI) interface is in the FPGA
[09:18:43] <jdh> Pete: if you think it fits, sure.
[09:18:50] <jdh> but, it was a quote from that chinese router page.
[09:18:53] <PetefromTn> not sure what you mean
[09:19:12] <PetefromTn> Oh I thought you were talking about the idea of casting the base plate of my encoder
[09:19:29] <jdh> how much was the encoder?
[09:19:39] <PetefromTn> Something like $50.00
[09:20:22] <jdh> how much time for you to make a plate?
[09:21:00] <PetefromTn> Dunno but since they are sending me a brand new one this one is free so not sure.
[09:21:12] <jdh> how about, I buy you a complete brand new encoder, and you come and mow my lawn and trim my hedges.
[09:21:26] <PetefromTn> LOL how about kiss my ass..
[09:21:53] <jdh> perhaps this is why my yard looks like crap.
[09:22:17] <PetefromTn> How come you are not so animated when people come on here asking how to build a CNC router that will do everything including cut steel for under $300.00??
[09:22:28] <CaptHindsight> it's not what your time is worth, it's the experience
[09:23:00] <PetefromTn> How come you don't get your butt up off the IRC chat and go mow your own damn lawn lazyass ROFL..
[09:23:29] <PetefromTn> What would you cast it in to make the plate a rigid plastic?
[09:23:51] <PetefromTn> It's not even an inch and a quarter long.
[09:24:02] <jdh> Pete: because you know how long it would take and how much your time is worth, they don't.
[09:24:30] <PetefromTn> I know I am just bustin' your chops man. It would definietely not be worth the time if not just for fun.
[09:26:02] <jdh> I need to cut my lathe encoder wheel (using Tom's PCB material) and some plastic discs on my router tonight.
[09:26:43] <PetefromTn> Great then you can whittle me a little encoder base plate then LOL...
[09:27:45] <CaptHindsight> laser scan the base plate, create STL, build SLA printer, print parts, easy!
[09:28:06] <jdh> that might actually be a real use for a typical 3d printer
[09:28:10] <PetefromTn> Yeah man I ain't got that kinda time LOL
[09:28:24] <PetefromTn> Actually it probably would...
[09:28:55] <jdh> we got a little one here. They print logos, key fobs, etc and gush over how cool it is.
[09:30:01] <PetefromTn> I'm sure... Here is the encoder I am using.. http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-1046EN
[09:30:54] <PetefromTn> Mine's thee 5540 picture near the top.
[09:32:21] <jdh> how did they leave out the base?
[09:32:35] <CaptHindsight> a small 3" x 3" printer for candy would be popular, especially if it could make gummies
[09:33:06] <CaptHindsight> even if it was manually operated like an etch-a-sketch
[09:34:03] <pcw_home> I saw a really good use for a 3D printer, making organ models for surgeon reference/practice from a CAT scan
[09:34:17] <PetefromTn> Not sure really, I suppose it is possible It dropped out when I opened the package but something like that would be found around here by me or my wife for sure..
[09:34:21] <pcw_home> model tumors etc
[09:34:58] <PetefromTn> Hell I saw a show on youtube where they are working on 3d printing human organs now..
[09:35:36] <PetefromTn> I think it was on a Ted talks episode.
[09:35:46] <CaptHindsight> tissue engineering
[09:36:07] <PetefromTn> yes
[09:36:42] <CaptHindsight> a new photopolymer is Vitamin B2
[09:36:43] <PetefromTn> unbelievable we may actually be able to make simpler organs and skin tissue with a 3d CNC printer soon.
[09:37:37] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: What do you think obama is?
[09:37:41] <CaptHindsight> it's already being done, we've been working with it for the past 6 years
[09:37:44] <PetefromTn> They actually showed the machine and discussed some of the basics of the setup. They then showed the finished skin tissue in some kinda incubator to aid it
[09:38:09] <CaptHindsight> you print a scaffold then add live cells
[09:38:15] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: So I take it you're a republican then LOL?
[09:38:30] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: I'm Anti-Idiot
[09:38:47] <PetefromTn> yeah me too... unfortunately I live in Tennessee...
[09:38:57] <Jymmm> lol
[09:39:49] <PetefromTn> Gotta go pick up a large load of furniture grade plywood today something like 16 sheets as well as some steel for a project for another customer.
[09:39:49] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Well, pass out the shine and have all them drunks march on DC
[09:40:07] <PetefromTn> They'd have a ball..
[09:40:14] <Jymmm> Exactly
[09:40:33] <PetefromTn> not sure they are not in the planning stages now LOL
[09:40:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82t84VIwlTE Human Ear Created in Lab Using 3D Printing
[09:40:46] <Tecan> (82t84VIwlTE) "Human Ear Created in Lab Using 3D Printing" by "GeoBeats News" is "News" - Length: 0:01:12
[09:41:13] <CaptHindsight> so far it's only good for printing ears on the backs of mice
[09:41:30] <PetefromTn> So they are printing the physical structure and then implanting the organic materials then.
[09:42:02] <CaptHindsight> for now
[09:42:17] <PetefromTn> I am thinking of trading in my Astro Van for a little newer truck. any suggestions?
[09:42:40] <PetefromTn> Needs to be able to haul plywood and stuff yet be comfortable for the fam.
[09:42:57] <jdh> Tundra
[09:43:12] <CaptHindsight> 80-series Land Cruiser
[09:43:19] <jdh> heh
[09:43:23] <PetefromTn> yotas huh.
[09:43:44] <jdh> Yukon XL and a trailer
[09:44:46] <PetefromTn> I was actiually thinking of something like this monster.. http://img.modifiedcartrader.com/uploaded/XL/2011/12/Ford-Excursion-Limited-for-sale-custom-29083-297609.JPG
[09:46:12] <PetefromTn> http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4997/741/24990370004_large.jpg or this...
[09:46:53] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2013-10-natural-compound-d-medical-implants.html
[09:46:55] <jdh> heh... there is a reason they don't make Excursions anymore
[09:47:05] <PetefromTn> My oldest daughter's husband has an f350 diesel dually 4x4 and it is HUGE inside very comfortable.
[09:47:10] <PetefromTn> yeah whats that?
[09:48:27] <Jymmm> jdh: The gas?
[09:48:49] <jdh> the gas, and you can't just park them anywhere
[09:49:32] <CaptHindsight> whats the lowest cost way to send on/off control signals wirelessly with a range of 1-2meters?
[09:49:40] <PetefromTn> yeah I am sure the mileage sucks but honestly so does my van so Im used to it..
[09:49:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: IR
[09:50:10] <jdh> Pete: they haven't made them in 6 or 8 years
[09:50:16] <PetefromTn> I have spoken to several folks who have them and they all seemed to really love them. Mostly the v10 engine guys seemed to get the best mileage.
[09:50:34] <PetefromTn> yeah I know I am hoping to get a nice used low mileage one for a good price.
[09:50:46] <jdh> I have a Yukon XL. A little smaller, but nice ride and lots of room. Gas sucks though.
[09:50:52] <CaptHindsight> heh, except for IR, it's not line of sight, has to work through clothing
[09:50:55] <PetefromTn> whats it get?
[09:51:04] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: You want an Excursion?
[09:51:06] <jdh> 17 mpg mostly
[09:51:14] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: possibly..??
[09:51:34] <Jymmm> ah
[09:51:41] <PetefromTn> Speaking to these excursion guys most said 15-16MPG regardless of where you are driving it LOL
[09:52:11] <Jymmm> Ford has always been that way.... Drive light or haul 40 tons, same mileage
[09:52:14] <PetefromTn> The nice thing is they can tow about anything and fit tons of stuff.
[09:52:21] <jdh> yeah, I go to florida 5-10 times a year. Gas sucks
[09:52:25] * archivist hugs his 40-50 mpg
[09:52:39] <PetefromTn> whazzit cost to drive to fla and back typically?
[09:52:45] <Jymmm> $300
[09:52:51] <jdh> $200ish
[09:52:54] <cradek> I'd have the plywood delivered and drive a reasonable car the rest of the year
[09:53:08] <PetefromTn> archivist probaby drives a yugo taht I will drive over in my new lifted 4x4 excursion LOL
[09:53:23] <jdh> ~500 miles each way plus a couple hundred down there.
[09:53:25] <archivist> mondeo
[09:53:32] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Drive over, toss in the back
[09:53:58] <jdh> I need to tow a boat a few times a year
[09:54:03] <PetefromTn> cradek: Yeah I would but I work from home and unless you buy tons they usuallly don't want to deliver as well as the neighbors probably wouldln't enjoy it too much.
[09:54:12] <Jymmm> http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pick-up-truck-hauling-smart-car.jpg
[09:54:15] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: exactly...
[09:54:33] <PetefromTn> thats hilarious...
[09:54:37] <CaptHindsight> cradek makes a good point, the fuel and maintenance is not worth it unless you move loads all the time or really live in the outback
[09:55:01] <PetefromTn> I am ALWAYS moving something I love my van for it but it is getting old now.
[09:55:19] <PetefromTn> Besides I just think it is a handsome mans kinda truck.
[09:55:26] <jdh> I moved 6 large gas bottles and a compressor in my Yukon the other day.
[09:55:39] <Jymmm> I just bought a old civic for the cheap gas
[09:55:57] <Jymmm> $80 vs $25 to go 300 miles
[09:56:05] <PetefromTn> exactly I just bought a used wood shaper that weighs probably 500 lbs..moved it here in my van.
[09:56:27] <jdh> I traded in my old Suburban for a VW once for gas mileage. Kept it for 6 months and got a Yukon instead.
[09:56:32] <PetefromTn> I honestly don't really drive all that much just locally here occasionally and to pick up materials.
[09:57:11] <PetefromTn> My daughter's F350 is really sweet inside with leather and TONS o room.
[09:57:25] <PetefromTn> the Excursion is basically the same truck only longer.
[09:57:33] <jdh> buy a civic, borrow her F350
[09:58:06] <PetefromTn> wish I could but she is kinda far away.
[09:58:29] <PetefromTn> Besides these trucks are coming way down in price for the aforementioned reasons so I can probably get a real nice one for cheap.
[09:59:30] <cradek> hahaha "man's kinda truck"
[10:01:25] <PetefromTn> http://img.modifiedcartrader.com/uploaded/XL/2011/12/Ford-Excursion-Limited-for-sale-custom-29083-297609.JPG Yes exactly.... a MANS truck...LOL
[10:01:54] <cradek> I've noticed I remain a man no matter what size of car I drive
[10:01:56] <PetefromTn> Best part is I could build most of that accessories here in the shop.
[10:02:04] <PetefromTn> you too huh..
[10:02:42] <PetefromTn> my favorite car is a Pontiac Fiero GT I have so I guess I can go either way LOL
[10:03:05] <jdh> that's really TMI.
[10:03:06] <CaptHindsight> http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/DSCN1797.jpg saves on gas and carries large loads
[10:03:15] <cradek> I bet that thing steers terribly after being raised like that
[10:03:26] <cradek> also makes it not line up with any trailer
[10:03:41] <cradek> doesn't add ground clearance, so it's only for looks
[10:03:43] <PetefromTn> There's ways around that.
[10:04:08] <PetefromTn> How ya figure it doesn't add ground clearance?
[10:04:50] <cradek> maybe an inch added?
[10:04:51] <PetefromTn> Holy smokes that much be a pic from india LOL
[10:05:05] <PetefromTn> should be enough to run over your prius tho...
[10:05:42] <cradek> heh, I don't have a prius, they are just for looks/status too, other end of the spectrum
[10:05:50] <PetefromTn> I dunno I like them gotta see what I come up wiht.
[10:06:05] <PetefromTn> I would also consider a sub or tahoe like jd has..
[10:06:18] <jdh> tahoe is too short
[10:06:46] <jdh> yukon xl or suburban. Also tows better
[10:07:00] <PetefromTn> My wife HATES my van so I was thinking that the excursion would be the best of both worlds. Big enough to haul whatever and still nice and luxurious inside so I don't have to hear her whine about riding in it.
[10:07:54] <PetefromTn> Plus if you ever get in a wreck they will be cutting the other guys car apart while you stand there and watch the carnage most likely. LOL
[10:08:35] <PetefromTn> I actually like the suburbans but the new ones are CRAZY expensive.
[10:10:53] <CaptHindsight> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12031 only $6.95 single pc
[10:11:03] <JT_Shop> does the 7i76 have modes like the 7i77? I don't see anything in the 7i76 manual about modes
[10:11:48] <PetefromTn> What modes are you referring to? I have the 77..
[10:12:21] <JT_Shop> you can select in the config mode 0-3 to give you different options
[10:12:59] <jdh> CaptHindsight: I have gotten pairs of transceivers for a few $$US
[10:14:06] <JT_Shop> search for sserial http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i77man.pdf
[10:14:10] <pcw_home> Yes the 7I76 has the same field I/O modes as the 7I77
[10:14:27] <JT_Shop> ok thanks, I didn't see it in the manual
[10:16:27] <JT_Shop> ok, I found it... I was looking for a section like the 7i77 manual has software process data modes
[10:16:48] <JT_Shop> but I was using sserial as my key search word
[10:18:00] <JT_Shop> pcw_home, does the 7i76 have 4 modes like the 7i77?
[10:18:11] <pcw_home> Yes
[10:18:25] <JT_Shop> the manual only shows 0-2
[10:19:16] <pcw_home> The modes should be listed in dmesg
[10:19:29] <pcw_home> (maybe only in master)
[10:20:22] <pcw_home> AFAIK with current firmware the field I/O sections of the 7I76, 7I77 and the 7I84 are all basically the same
[10:20:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/321156181473?lpid=82 US $1.84 2.4GHz Wireless Transceiver Module
[10:21:39] <JT_Shop> I am looking at page 24 of the online 7i76 manual http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i76man.pdf
[10:22:14] <JT_Shop> the description for mode 2 looks like it combined the description of mode 2 & 3 from the 7i77 manual
[10:23:01] <pcw_home> I will take a look today and see if its correct
[10:25:44] <pcw_home> I know the 7I76 got the MPG encoder option first as it was requested
[10:25:45] <pcw_home> a lot since there was only a single normal encoder on the 7I76
[10:31:58] <JT_Shop> ok thanks
[12:04:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-AHm6dS44 perfect for turning large plastic nuts
[12:04:16] <Tecan> (sC-AHm6dS44) "The Largest Ever 3D Printed Wrench!" by "Stratasys" is "Tech" - Length: 0:03:36
[12:10:53] <archivist> CaptHindsight, http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_08_13_adjustable_spanner/P1010268.JPG
[12:11:15] <archivist> note the irc in the background :)
[12:11:36] <archivist> I got one at one of the shows over here
[12:11:53] <ReadError> jeeze archivist
[12:11:56] <ReadError> cut your fingernails
[12:12:16] <ReadError> in the states we call that a 'coke spoon'
[12:12:23] <archivist> if you work with small parts they are required
[12:14:08] <cradek> is that the modern equivalent of having a newspaper front page in the photo?
[12:15:00] <archivist> if it had the date it could be
[12:18:20] <archivist> not seen dmess on irc in a few years now
[12:23:13] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[12:23:37] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: ?
[12:24:29] <IchGuckLive> i think the electronics in my last workplace shot yesterday 2 or even all 3 5i25_7i76
[12:24:42] <IchGuckLive> today they called in
[12:24:53] <IchGuckLive> if i coudt have alock
[12:24:59] <IchGuckLive> look
[12:25:17] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: Weather is BAD outside
[12:25:32] <kengu> some wind
[12:26:22] <IchGuckLive> kengu: i read the logs of jesterday as they tryed to get rid of the problems i saw you also fighting with the login in the forum its a miss
[12:27:27] <kengu> i did not fight. i was peaceful (:
[12:40:19] <IchGuckLive> why is there no backlash entry on pncconf
[12:54:00] <pcw_home> IchGuckLive: what happened to the 7I76s?
[12:54:38] <IchGuckLive> i have it not in the hands so i cand tell
[12:55:05] <IchGuckLive> i think they just forgott to enter a pin for the axis enable
[12:55:31] <IchGuckLive> as they told it run once then after mashine config start nothing worked
[12:55:55] <IchGuckLive> the Test panel activates Xenable
[12:56:21] <IchGuckLive> the pncconf does this not if you dont specifi a enable mashine pin
[12:57:12] <IchGuckLive> i holp the pins are protected i dont think stepgen on the ports are mutch to fail
[12:57:57] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: they said the maid a shortcut on the pc as thex pluged off the 5i25 under power what a miss
[12:58:18] <IchGuckLive> maybe its the 5i25 that has the fail
[12:58:37] <pcw_home> that probably wont hurt anything
[12:58:52] <IchGuckLive> but they said it worked under testpanel once as they changed W2 UP
[12:59:00] <IchGuckLive> on 5i25
[13:00:27] <IchGuckLive> xenable gives power to the stepgen so it might be this isssue THAT all Leadshine users have
[13:00:46] <IchGuckLive> the leadshine ont need enabel to be connected
[13:01:29] <IchGuckLive> and as they normaly diont use Bidirectional they let them off and so mashine aktivate F2 is not used in there config
[13:02:10] <IchGuckLive> we will see
[13:07:05] <pcw_home> I would not do it to a customer part but I live plug my test cards all the time,
[13:07:06] <pcw_home> never a problem, as long as both sides always have a common GND
[13:08:30] <IchGuckLive> thanks you for your help yesterday as i read the logs you told them to read the Manuals first
[13:38:46] <pcw_home> ahh the always refreshing scent gland cleaning
[13:42:21] <archivist> near me on fleabay 121206364294
[13:46:24] <skunkworks> pcw_home, ah - eww?
[13:49:56] <pcw_home> Bunnies get stinky if this is not done periodically
[13:53:33] <jdh> how many bunnies?
[13:54:05] <pcw_home> Down to 3
[13:55:48] * archivist thinks of a flue brush, a 10ft barge pole...a terrified bunny
[13:58:14] <pcw_home> well more like a Qtip and a little olive oil
[16:41:06] <_DJ_> gn8
[16:52:00] * Valen pokes PCW or pcw_home
[16:52:37] <PCW> oww!
[16:52:46] <Valen> i didn't say hard ;-P
[16:53:24] <PCW> I'm already sore...
[16:53:32] <Valen> :-<
[16:57:50] <Tom_itx> how do you clear the command history from the MDI window?
[16:58:15] <Tom_itx> nevermind
[16:59:55] <andypugh> Oh no! My kettle has started leaking. This could get expensive, largely as I have recently become aware of the existence of WiFi enabled kettles.
[17:13:01] <skunkworks> omg
[17:14:01] <Valen> lol
[17:16:11] <sirdancealot3> what have you done
[17:18:48] <PetefromTn> coffee?
[17:21:17] <Tom_itx> i thought brits were more into tea
[17:21:21] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34r6RGF2JLA is pretty cool, note does contain some swearing
[17:21:26] <Tecan> (34r6RGF2JLA) "Electrical fireball in Lachine" by "Huw Griffiths" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:57
[17:21:48] <Valen> think jacobs ladder running down a street power line
[22:35:50] <jesseg> Hey guys - what sort of jog wheel inputs do you like? Anyone use a joystick with exponential response?
[22:40:17] <Tom_itx> jesseg, i use an MPG
[22:41:20] <jesseg> Hmm, what is MPG? probably stands for something and google's not telling me exactly what :()
[22:41:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.kelinginc.net/BreakoutBoards.html
[22:41:36] <Tom_itx> manual pulse generator
[22:41:38] <jesseg> thanks
[22:41:41] <Tom_itx> (encoder)
[22:42:19] <jesseg> ohhhh so it's not like a USB user input peripheral but another encoder connected to a spare input on the mesa or whatever FPGA?
[22:42:37] <Tom_itx> i got the wheel and made my own enclosure etc
[22:42:46] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:42:49] <jesseg> oh OK
[22:43:40] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant8.jpg
[22:43:47] <Tom_itx> before it was done
[22:43:57] <jesseg> I'm interested in a thumb-joystick type input that controls rate. I've used them for controlling robots (xbox controller) and the xy table on a video microscope and they can be very very intuitive to use
[22:44:07] <jesseg> oh that's very nice
[22:44:31] <Tom_itx> some have used joysticks as well
[22:44:47] <Tom_itx> i'm not familiar with the interface for them
[22:44:58] <jesseg> ahh, OK.
[22:45:18] <Tom_itx> i like the feel of the encoder though
[22:45:23] <Tom_itx> 100 clicks per rev
[22:45:24] <jesseg> yeah me too
[22:45:43] <jesseg> but I don't like having to change between axes to get where I wanna go haha
[22:46:01] <jesseg> multiple encoders could solve that though - sort of etcha scetch
[22:46:51] <Tom_itx> i'm rather used to it since that's how most large machines work
[22:46:51] <Tom_itx> pointless to have more than one
[22:46:55] <Tom_itx> i use a rotary switch for the axis
[22:46:59] <Tom_itx> as well as the resolution
[22:47:11] <jesseg> yeah I noticed that in the picture. It looks really nice.
[22:47:56] <jesseg> I didn't spend enough time on the big machines to get used to it, and then I've spent too much time using my own creations where I'm spoiled and very used to being able to navigate 3D space effortlessly as if I was there :P
[22:50:26] <RyanS> Does this seem somewhat odd or unnecessary for a drill press: http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/V142 ?
[22:51:08] <jesseg> I dunno.. If you do a lot of careful drilling a good vice sure can be nice
[22:56:13] <RyanS> I'm thinking just those low profile drill press vice with prismatic jaws are more handy.. That seems more like a milling vice
[22:56:43] <jesseg> yeah probably.