#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-11-04

[02:08:43] <_DJ_> moin
[04:04:00] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:02:06] <MacGalempsy> hi Loetmichel
[06:15:18] <kengu> uuh. 6i25 + 7i76 arrived. i hear
[06:50:03] <MacGalempsy> i got the 5i25 the other day, along with a 7i77 and 7i84. just about done wiring but had to order up some relays
[06:52:11] <gonzo_> I'm waiting for a 7i90. But it's a new product
[06:54:13] <kengu> is there a step by step howto on mesacards from 0 to working machine
[06:54:25] <kengu> there are bit and pieces all over the web but
[06:54:47] <kengu> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewscnc/home/mesa5i25 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Mesa_Cards
[06:56:01] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
[06:58:15] <kengu> uu.. thanks.
[06:58:44] <Valen> ey pcw_home you around by any chance?
[07:00:50] <skunkworks> gonzo_, why the 7i90?
[07:02:47] <gonzo_> don't want to use an inboard fpga bard and have all the long wiring picking up noise. And I just don't trust USB
[07:03:03] <gonzo_> so the pll port option looked the best bet.
[07:03:17] <gonzo_> and it has more IO than the 7i43
[07:04:10] <skunkworks> ah
[07:04:46] <skunkworks> the 7i80 is getting there also... mesa has some pretty cool stuff.
[07:05:04] <gonzo_> that's the LAN version?
[07:05:07] <skunkworks> yes
[07:05:25] <MacGalempsy> well damn, I cannot seem to get this drive to connect to the software...
[07:05:48] <skunkworks> gonzo_, http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/LaptopRTnet.jpg
[07:05:52] <MacGalempsy> but I did find the obsolete touchpad on ebay, so hopefully that will work...
[07:06:51] <gonzo_> skunkworks, I did look at that. But there is another linuxcn'er locally, using the 43 with pll drive. So I knew that option works. (and can ask for assist when i get stuck)
[07:07:28] <Jymmm> skunkworks wth is that?
[07:07:58] <skunkworks> Jymmm, mesa wizardry...
[07:08:11] <Jymmm> skunkworks: is that the ether board?
[07:08:24] <skunkworks> my laptop running xenomai realtime - connected through rtnet to a mesa 7i80
[07:09:23] <Jymmm> Hmmmmm
[07:09:38] <gonzo_> what's the latency like?
[07:09:39] <Jymmm> I thought there were still issues with the driver?
[07:09:41] <skunkworks> the led was flashing... I swear
[07:10:00] <skunkworks> there is - they are working on it. but it seems to work..
[07:10:19] <skunkworks> that laptop seems to have <20us latency
[07:10:26] <skunkworks> a fluke.
[07:10:33] <Jymmm> skunkworks: "No animated GIF (or panduit), IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!" ;)
[07:10:46] <skunkworks> :)
[07:11:19] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Is pc latency still an issue?
[07:11:32] <skunkworks> Jymmm, yes
[07:11:42] <skunkworks> it doesn't offload motion to the board..
[07:11:47] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I thought that was the whole purpose of the mesa cards
[07:12:01] <skunkworks> latency isn'
[07:12:10] <Jymmm> ???
[07:12:45] <skunkworks> latency isn't as big as an issue using mesa boards. but it still needs to be <50us-ish at the most
[07:12:45] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I'm confused
[07:12:55] <Jymmm> ah
[07:13:34] <skunkworks> Jymmm, isn
[07:13:38] <skunkworks> jeexe
[07:13:54] <skunkworks> Jymmm, isn't it like 5:00 where you are?
[07:13:57] <skunkworks> do you ever sleep?
[07:14:03] <Jymmm> skunkworks: It seems that the linxcnc core need to be offloaded to HW, and just use a PC for the front end gui stuff
[07:14:28] <Jymmm> or motion as you put it
[07:14:31] <skunkworks> I know that is what some people would like. (and may be working on it)
[07:14:38] <Jymmm> ah
[07:15:43] <Jymmm> I could easily see it being put on an SD card and loaded up on a mesa card
[07:15:54] <skunkworks> what sucks with that model - the hardware has to support all your bells and whistles. Something realtime gets added to linuxcnc (like rigid tapping) it is available to all interface hardware. vs it having to be in the 'hardware'
[07:16:58] <Tom_itx> Jymmm what was that network monitoring tool you showed jt a while back here?
[07:17:15] <Jymmm> ntop ?
[07:17:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: browser based?
[07:17:42] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure
[07:18:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the older version of ntop. Try: sudo apt-get install ntop
[07:18:39] <Tom_itx> on winders
[07:19:13] <Jymmm> http://www.elblogderigo.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/cacti_ntop1.jpg
[07:19:38] <archivist_herron> I see bbb as being the remote hardware realsoon now :)
[07:21:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: *shrug* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG3Usxz0ICc
[07:22:12] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Offloading the motion at this point seems the right evolutionary move
[07:24:07] <Tom_itx> thanks, i'll look it over later today
[07:50:48] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: bbb?
[07:53:35] <jdh> beagle bone black
[07:56:58] <Jymmm> arm huh?
[08:03:25] <skunkworks> running linux and linuxcnc on it...
[08:13:08] <MacGalempsy> finally got into the drive through ultra master!
[08:13:58] <PetefromTn> Good Morning LinuxCNC gurus!!
[08:15:22] <JT_Shop> PetefromTn, didn't you get some servo/drives from somewhere for your machine?
[08:19:59] <MacGalempsy> there are a lot of additional digital i/o on this drive. the manufacturer only used a couple.
[08:23:15] <PetefromTn> JT_Shop: Yeah man I sold off all the old ones and bought new ones from Machmotion. I used the Teco motors and matched drivers with premade cabling.
[08:23:47] <JT_Shop> thansk
[08:24:32] <PetefromTn> Why?
[08:24:50] <JT_Shop> someone was asking me where to get servo/drives for a project
[08:25:06] <PetefromTn> Oh okay. They are reasonably priced and so far work great.
[08:25:20] <PetefromTn> You making anything cool this morning?
[08:25:39] <JT_Shop> lol 75 brackets for a fence
[08:25:51] <PetefromTn> Metal or wood?
[08:25:58] <JT_Shop> metal
[08:26:35] <PetefromTn> Cool... I am sitting here doing some cutlisting for a large built in custom cabinet for a Master Bedroom suite. Should be pretty nice when done..
[08:27:18] <JT_Shop> are you running the Teco drives in velocity mode?
[08:27:47] <MacGalempsy> why would someone want to select between torque mode and personal eeprom setting as the command source?
[08:30:32] <PetefromTn> Yeah velocity..
[08:31:00] <PetefromTn> Altho Pete from Mesa said I should probably run it in torque mode.
[08:37:03] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/275734 This is what I am building now...
[08:37:29] <jdh> hidden cabinet for the special toys?
[08:38:17] <PetefromTn> No actually just a big screen TV and some audio equipment. I have done quite a few hidden cabinets tho....
[08:38:31] <PetefromTn> This unit is over 17' long and 9' tall.
[08:38:41] <PetefromTn> Do you like it?
[08:39:02] <jdh> I can't imagine having a bedroom it would fit in.
[08:39:39] <JT_Shop> nice
[08:39:49] <PetefromTn> Yeah it is a big one....That wall is right across from the bed and there is another adjoining room with a fireplace and sectional leather for sitting
[08:41:00] <PetefromTn> That center section is countertop willl be Cherry and the faces will be white painted finish with the backs of the bookshelves being the color of the existing room. Kinda light gray.
[08:42:32] <PetefromTn> Just happened upon a good deal yesterday on a nice used heavy duty wood shaper for the woodshop. This thing was used in a shop where they built the shaper table into a large cabinet so they removed the lower sheetmetal box from the shaper machine and installed the guts and table top into their large wood table so they could do really large pieces like staircase railings.
[08:44:00] <PetefromTn> I got it for $75.00 and it runs good and looks good. Just need to build a cabinet box to make it back into a floor standing model before I can use it. I think it is like 5hp and 10k RPM. 3/4 spindle shaft with removable arbor so i can probably get or machine some new arbors to use 1 1/4 and router bits..
[09:09:08] <skunkworks> archivist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blaZ5tz0_6E&feature=youtu.be
[09:09:13] <Tecan> (blaZ5tz0_6E) "HELICAL GEAR CUTTING" by "gbritnell" is "Education" - Length: 0:06:04
[09:15:10] <PetefromTn> That's pretty damn slick setup.. That cutter has some terrible runout tho LOL.
[09:18:24] <skunkworks> I would rather do it this way.. :) http://youtu.be/h1Xs6Exx3XQ
[09:18:27] <Tecan> (h1Xs6Exx3XQ) "Generative gear cutting with a less simple tool" by "MuellerNick" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:09
[09:18:28] <skunkworks> Nick ftw
[09:19:27] <PetefromTn> I wonder how he setup the cutter alignment to ensure the toothform is square to the workpiece?
[09:21:09] <PetefromTn> Are you making an alt azimuth telescope mount or something?
[09:22:50] <skunkworks> who is you?
[09:23:30] <PetefromTn> Mr. Skunkworks of course... I assume you are doing something similar or are you just showing us some cool stuff on youtube LOL
[09:24:01] <skunkworks> heh - no. I just find linuxcnc related content usually...
[09:26:21] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VupxqjTGAyk beautiful..
[09:26:23] <Tecan> (VupxqjTGAyk) "Vangelis - Tears in rain - Blade Runner HD" by "neferzix" is "Music" - Length: 0:02:43
[09:28:20] <PetefromTn> I wish there were more cool LinuxCNC videos on Youtube. There are quie a few but some of you guys are doing some really interesting stuff that most of the world will never know about.
[09:31:46] <kengu> what kind of stuff is "really interesting"
[09:33:07] <skunkworks> there are a ton of linuxcnc youtube videos
[09:34:16] <PetefromTn> Oh like some of the five and six axis machines, some of the GGG machines, some of the interesting fourth axis stuff. toolchangers etc. etc....
[09:34:50] <PetefromTn> I know I have probably watched them all at one time or another..
[09:52:02] <PetefromTn> I have been sitting here playing with this damn Spindle Encoder I bought for the machine and I can't believe it but I can't seem to get it apart without breaking it LOL.
[09:54:24] <archivist_herron> if it is not broken...dont
[09:55:47] <PetefromTn> LOL smartass...
[09:55:48] <archivist_herron> I had one apart a few days ago, they have an o ring which makes the cover hard to get off, NOTE they dont like dust
[09:56:00] <PetefromTn> I need to take it apart to figure out how I am gonna mount it..
[09:56:17] <archivist_herron> I got mine as a faulty freebee, dust was the fault
[09:56:47] <archivist_herron> the mounting should be obvious from the outside
[09:57:51] <PetefromTn> This is the one I have... http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-1046EN
[09:58:42] <PetefromTn> It has like a cam locking cover on it that appears to be turned with a screwdriver but I cannot get it to release..
[10:01:51] <PetefromTn> I want to design the mount to install this bad boy on my HUGE spindle motor but I need to see the inside so i can do it and I need it apart anyways so I can install it on the stub shaft I gotta turn down to fit the original motors threaded hole in the spindle shaft.
[10:06:48] <archivist_herron> I presume a film code wheel in that
[10:07:38] <PetefromTn> Yeah it has an optical code wheel..
[10:08:33] <archivist_herron> some of them are on glass
[10:09:07] <PetefromTn> dunno but it is captured inside this plastic housing that I have as yet been unable to disassemble so I might never know LOL
[10:11:04] <archivist_herron> must try harder :)
[10:11:17] <PetefromTn> just keep swimming...
[10:11:30] <PetefromTn> It
[10:11:34] <PetefromTn> is
[10:11:38] <PetefromTn> Frustrating
[10:11:40] <PetefromTn> not
[10:11:42] <PetefromTn> knowing
[10:11:44] <PetefromTn> how
[10:11:46] <PetefromTn> it
[10:11:48] <PetefromTn> comes
[10:11:52] <PetefromTn> apart
[10:12:25] <archivist_herron> but the instruction for mounting ...sort of tell you :)
[10:12:38] <PetefromTn> gimme a hint.
[10:13:16] <kwallace> Page 10 has pointers labeled 'snaps'?
[10:14:06] <archivist_herron> have you got one with a shaft or one designed that you fit it to a shaft
[10:14:39] <PetefromTn> fit it to..
[10:15:19] <PetefromTn> I tried prying on those snaps a bit but it still would not budge. Then I messed with the cam on top and it does not seem to release regardless of orientation.
[10:17:25] <archivist_herron> good fitting screw driver, plastic sticks after a long time may need some force, cap direction is mentioned for assembly so the reverse
[10:18:03] <archivist_herron> and it has click so will be hard to start rotating anti clockwise
[10:18:41] <PetefromTn> I know it must seem pretty silly to not be able to take it apart but believe me I have tried several times now and I just don't wanna break the damn thing before I even get to use it.
[10:20:29] <archivist_herron> I know what you mean. had fun over the years trying to get into things to repair them
[10:22:28] <kwallace> I would tend to gently put a blade in the seem between the base plate and housing, then a small jeweler's screw driver between the tip of a finger and the base. Pry the screw driver to open the finger and the blade should open the seem enough to keep the finger from closing again. Then do the other three fingers.
[10:24:42] <PetefromTn> Thanks I will give that a shot here guys after lunch. The base plate is kinda locked into the actual reader head which is captured between the top cap and base plate. It is a tough little bastard. I guess the upside is that once I get the damn thing installed it won't just fall apart on me LOL
[10:25:49] <kwallace> The finger tips show up pretty well in the center of page 3.
[10:29:03] <PetefromTn> Ya know what guys, I am wondering if I am not missing a piece of this thing here. Those clips or finger tips as you call them are shown beyond the bottom of the cap. That is actually how they are in the pictures and in reality but the base plate I am talking about is kinda inside the cap nowhere near the finger tips.
[10:32:58] <kwallace> My guess is that you aren't meant to take the rest apart. You need a base plate to mount the bit you have.
[10:35:31] <plasma_ger> pcw_home: are you ere
[10:36:08] <plasma_ger> somkeone can help me with a 5i25 7i76 install
[10:36:22] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/275741
[10:36:29] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/275742
[10:37:44] <kengu> plasma_ger: I was just pointed to http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
[10:37:44] <plasma_ger> i updated to 2.5.2 and put the 7i76.xml into /lib/firmware/5i25
[10:37:47] <PetefromTn> I am not an expert by any means but I have the 5i25/7i77 combo running.
[10:37:49] <CaptHindsight> they might have used adhesive to put those parts together
[10:38:21] <plasma_ger> the pncconf is not regionising the 5i25 in the choice list
[10:38:43] <PetefromTn> So then you just slide it over the shaft and tighten the setscrew on the shaft thru the side then?
[10:39:02] <kwallace> Looks like you need the base plate that matches your housing.
[10:39:04] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: Thats normal you need to download the firmware for the 5i25 I believe
[10:39:18] <PetefromTn> It did not come with one..
[10:39:24] <plasma_ger> is this the firmware.py
[10:39:46] <PetefromTn> I believe you can download it from the LinuxCNC forum website...
[10:39:49] <plasma_ger> PetefromTn: is this the firmware.py
[10:39:55] <PetefromTn> Lemme see if I can find it for you.
[10:40:12] <plasma_ger> PetefromTn: how to do the firmware download
[10:40:45] <PetefromTn> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/21670-5i25-firmware-xml-files-for-pncconf
[10:41:32] <PetefromTn> I think that is it...
[10:41:57] <PetefromTn> kwallace: I think you are correct man... Gonna have to contact digikey here I guess.
[10:43:21] <PetefromTn> Damn I love this Airdroid wireless linking app. Someone here told me about it the other day and it is awesome to not need a cable to get stuff on and off my smartphone. Thanks guys.
[10:44:36] <jdh> which one?
[10:45:11] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: did you get these 3 parts? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/HEDM-5505%23J06/516-2752-ND/2219518
[10:46:53] <PetefromTn> Nope just got the encoder housing with the guts in it and the uber tiny allen wrench.. Gonna give them a call here in a bit.. It sure does look like that main body comes apart too tho...
[10:47:02] <plasma_ger> i canot log in to the forum is it posible to get the files from somwherelse
[10:47:04] <CaptHindsight> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Avago%20Tech%20Photos/HEDM-5505%23J06.jpg
[10:47:16] <plasma_ger> PetefromTn: can you help me
[10:47:28] <PetefromTn> Sure whaddya need?
[10:47:36] <archivist_herron> cap is missing from that digikey image
[10:47:50] <PetefromTn> I posted the link to the firmware update.
[10:48:01] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: Sure whaddya need?
[10:48:03] <plasma_ger> the zip file for installing the 5i25 7i76
[10:48:54] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/21670-5i25-firmware-xml-files-for-pncconf
[10:49:30] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: You just need to download that link and unzip it and follow the instructions on that page. it tells you how to install the file.
[10:49:48] <plasma_ger> PetefromTn: i know the file is thee but at the mashine here i can not log in to the forum
[10:50:10] <PetefromTn> Okay how can I help you, do you want me to email it to you?
[10:50:13] <plasma_ger> the link is hidden for gests
[10:50:31] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: do you want me to email it to you?
[10:50:34] <plasma_ger> its not posible as i dot have also mailaccess here
[10:50:42] <kwallace> I usually get the disk and sensor separately and make the rest: http://www.usdigital.com/products/encoders/incremental/rotary http://www.usdigital.com/products/encoders/incremental/modules/EM1
[10:50:44] <plasma_ger> im on the mashine itself
[10:51:02] <PetefromTn> Do you have a smartphone and a way to connect with the machine?
[10:52:01] <plasma_ger> i got internetaccess but im 15miles away from the login paswort of all my Mail and forum
[10:52:05] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: If you can use another computer that has internet access and have a flash drive you can do it that way..
[10:52:16] <kwallace> http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00001-1a.jpg http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00004-1a.jpg
[10:52:34] <plasma_ger> PetefromTn: as i canot login to the forum i wont be able to download the file
[10:53:04] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: I can email it to you if you can get online somewhere... Do you have a smartphone with internet?
[10:53:10] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/Endoder1.JPG
[10:53:20] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/Encoder.JPG
[10:53:31] <archivist_herron> erm on IRC is on the net!
[10:53:38] <jdh> I like that cable
[10:53:47] <PetefromTn> what's ERM?
[10:53:54] <skunkworks> reuse - recycle...
[10:54:17] <skunkworks> kinda like uhh or umm
[10:54:35] <plasma_ger> PetefromTn: querry is a mailadress
[10:55:00] <plasma_ger> please can you mail it to this adress
[10:55:10] <PetefromTn> sure just a second..
[10:59:52] <kengu> you know.. irc does have filetransfer
[11:00:34] <jdh> sometimes, it even works.
[11:01:16] <kengu> yeah. i have sort of forgotten the thing
[11:02:00] <PetefromTn> plasma_ger: Okay man sent it to ya....good luck.
[11:02:08] <plasma_ger> ok
[11:28:50] <WalterN> herm
[11:28:59] <WalterN> looking for wasino tool holders
[11:30:15] <WalterN> 'bolt on blocks'
[11:38:18] <plasma_ger> PetefromTn: Thanks files arrived
[11:38:27] <plasma_ger> pcw_home: ?
[11:38:44] <WalterN> anyone happen to have tool holders for a wasino LJ-6 lathe?
[11:38:51] <plasma_ger> Folkes what led on the 7i76 shoudt lit on standard
[11:39:20] <plasma_ger> cr1 is not lithing
[11:39:31] <plasma_ger> not on
[11:39:37] <PetefromTn> You need to get field power to the board before it will activate as I recall...
[11:39:49] <plasma_ger> i can get stepconf to work now nut no move on the mashine
[11:40:04] <PetefromTn> not sure on the 7i76 tho don't have that one..
[11:40:16] <plasma_ger> ok field power is on
[11:40:37] <PetefromTn> double check all your switches on both boards are in the right positions..
[11:41:10] <PetefromTn> LinuxCNC is energized of course...
[11:41:15] <WalterN> heh, seems this guy is having the same issue... http://www.cnczone.com/forums/want_buy_need_help/170633-wasino_lj6-mc_tool_holders.html
[11:41:42] <plasma_ger> its out of the box so shout be plug and play
[11:41:52] <plasma_ger> ok i wil
[11:42:19] <jonpry> skunkworks, i'm messing with BBB too
[11:42:55] <jonpry> you using machinekit?
[11:43:26] <PetefromTn> nope its not exactly plug and play you need to ensure all the switches are in the correct positions for your setup. The way the 7i76 gets low voltage power is determined by that switch setup as I recall from the 7i77 at least.
[11:44:30] <pcw_home> plasma_ger: please read the 5I26 and 7I76 manuals an make sure the cable power settings on both match you setup (external or cable power)
[11:44:42] <pcw_home> and
[11:44:46] <plasma_ger> wher is the switchsetup on the 5i25
[11:44:57] <pcw_home> 5i25 manual
[11:46:06] <plasma_ger> ok
[12:09:42] <plasma_ger> pcw_home: i got now power on the 7i76 by W2 up and w3 up
[12:10:16] <plasma_ger> field power is also on the 7i76 jumper is W1 left
[12:10:44] <plasma_ger> in pncconf i got the wrong IO2 3
[12:11:07] <plasma_ger> as it says connector 3 has the stepgenerator 0-4
[12:11:24] <plasma_ger> but in the 7i76 manual there are on tb2
[12:11:31] <plasma_ger> i realy need help
[12:12:36] <pcw_home> standard 7I76s configs put stepgens 0..3 on TB2
[12:13:05] <pcw_home> and stepgen 4 on TB3
[12:13:06] <pcw_home> This will be what you have
[12:13:17] <plasma_ger> i choused the 7i76X2 is this wright or shoud i chose the 7i76x1
[12:13:42] <pcw_home> Not sure it matters
[12:14:20] <plasma_ger> ok 7i76x2 gives me 10 stepgenerators do i need to change this to 5 as there where on te card
[12:14:36] <pcw_home> the 5I25 defualt will be a 7i76x2 config for a 7I76 kit
[12:14:47] <plasma_ger> ok
[12:15:06] <pcw_home> I would set the stepgens to 5 (or as many as you need)
[12:15:59] <plasma_ger> now stepconf gives me inputs on ioconnector2
[12:16:02] <pcw_home> (enabling more than you need will waste CPU time on I/O accesses that go unused)
[12:16:24] <pcw_home> which can be ignored
[12:16:54] <pcw_home> (the I/O on P2)
[12:17:13] <pcw_home> thats the 26 pin header on the 5I25 card
[12:18:31] <plasma_ger> so ioconnector 3 in stepconf is Tb2 on the 7i76
[12:20:53] <pcw_home> The 5I25's P3 connects (via buffers) to TB2 on the 7I76
[12:22:07] <pcw_home> so if you disable stepgens you will see the corresponding GPIO pins become available
[12:23:12] <plasma_ger> ok
[12:23:38] <pcw_home> page 4 of the 7I76 manual shows the functions of each pin on the interface
[12:24:24] <plasma_ger> SMILE
[12:27:30] <pcw_home> That of course is with a standard 7I76 configuration
[12:27:31] <pcw_home> there is no reason the step/dir pins cant be PWM/dir
[12:27:33] <pcw_home> UART TX pins or whatever with different FPGA configs
[12:39:26] <archivist> skunkworks, somehow I dont think I will ever make a helical that way :)
[12:43:12] <archivist> skunkworks, not showing how he had to push it forward to remove backlash was telling
[12:57:27] <ds3> gdb
[13:17:29] <archivist> skunkworks, http://www.google.com/patents/US3491277
[13:38:42] <skunkworks> archivist: would you believe that I found that once
[13:39:41] <archivist> mebe, but it was not laying around in your k&t directory....
[13:39:57] <archivist> found a few others too
[14:22:48] <PetefromTn> Just had a guy come over to try to fix my Acer Laptop....unfortunately he HAD to take it with him. I told him to call me before the price gets too high. I normally fix my own computers and stuff but that laptop was difficult to get apart to see what was wrong with it. Hopefully he can get it sorted so it can be my portable meet with customers type of computer againLOL
[14:32:15] <skunkworks> PetefromTn, what where the symptoms?
[14:35:19] <PetefromTn> Well it used to get pretty hot around the exhaust fan area and then it started to shut down on me if I used it too long. Then after doing that a few times it would not start again. I tried to fix it some but never could get the damn thing apart too well. Tons of clips and screws everywhere LOL. he told me that it might be a CMOS thermal overload setting tripped and that required removal and replacement of the Cmos battery
[14:35:19] <PetefromTn> and SOMETIMES that will fix it. If not it might be a power input problem with the ac or a motherboard. I am hoping it is something stupid and I can get it back under $100.00. He seemed to think it was a 60-70% chance..
[14:36:04] <PetefromTn> Honestly it is not that old. It has a dual core intel processor and windows 7 with 4 gigs ram onboard and a 17.3" monitor which I really enjoyed.
[14:37:13] <jdh> Acer wouldn't be a brand I woudl pick
[14:37:27] <PetefromTn> I knew someone would say that... LOL
[14:37:57] <PetefromTn> I have had several acers and all have been great computers. My wifes works great and she has had it quite awhile now.
[14:39:12] <PetefromTn> I just bought a real decent desktop for my design computer. It is an HP Pavillion that is about two years old. It literally looks brand new not a scratch on it.
[14:39:54] <PetefromTn> It has windows 7 and a 1tb HD with an AMD processor. It only has 4g ram in it tho but apparently you can install up to 8g which I will probably do...
[14:40:32] <PetefromTn> Got it with a nice 24 inch led monitor, keyboard, mouse, some nice speakers for $125.00....
[14:40:40] <PetefromTn> Not too shabby LOL.
[14:42:49] <ReadError> people still buy desktops?
[14:42:57] <ReadError> it takes 15 mins to build
[14:43:58] <PetefromTn> yeah I know but I just wanted something I can sick in here and use right away. Besides I am kinda tired of building them built quite a few.
[14:44:12] <PetefromTn> stick
[14:46:23] <Connor> I prefer Asus and Toshiba for laptops.
[14:46:44] <Connor> Custom build for Desktops, and SuperMicro for 1U Rackmount servers.
[14:47:13] <jdh> and Acer for?
[14:47:30] <Connor> I don't want to offend anyone.. :)
[14:47:42] <jdh> whatcha been up to?
[14:48:00] <Connor> Working my a$$ of, taking care of the wife..
[14:48:09] <PetefromTn> I like asus too..
[14:48:17] <PetefromTn> oh and kiss my ass LOL
[14:48:54] <Connor> She was diagnosed with fibromyalgia a few months ago.. Getting hard for her to do anything.. she has maybe 1 or 2 days a week.. and if she does too much.. she pays for it for the next 3 or 4 days.
[14:49:11] <Connor> plus major bad headaches etc etc..
[14:49:38] <Connor> I just started a new project though.. Made a nice big chip pan and working on a enclosure for the 704..
[14:50:13] <skunkworks> Connor, I agree with you computer hardware opinion
[14:50:15] <Connor> jdh: What you been up too?
[14:50:25] <jdh> that suck...
[14:50:26] <Jymmm> Connor: Herbs be her friends =)
[14:50:43] <Connor> Jymmm: Yea.. well.. we don't live in CA. :)
[14:50:49] <Jymmm> Connor: So?
[14:51:07] <jdh> Connor: nothing interesting. Diving. My Lathe conversion is stalled due to lack of enthusiasm
[14:51:31] <Connor> jdh: Most of my stuff was stalled do to being overwhelmed and depressed. :(
[14:51:35] <Jymmm> Connor: they got her on Norco/hydrocodine?
[14:51:49] <jdh> If I could just get over the fact that I will have to mount the X ballscrew on the side I could be done in a day or so.
[14:52:52] <Connor> Jymmm: It's really a different kind of pain.. It's over-stimulation of Nerves.. She's on Symbolata right now.
[14:53:12] <Connor> jdh: Ahh.
[14:53:44] <Jymmm> Connor: is it effective?
[14:54:24] <Connor> Hard to say.. She's been on it for 3 months.. Doesn't look like it's helping much.. Dr Apt tomorrow to talk with him about it.
[14:54:58] <Jymmm> Connor: They'll go thru the list of off-label seizer meds too just fyi.
[14:57:43] <Connor> Yea.. she's getting very pissed off over the whole deal.. been really hard on her..
[14:58:25] <Connor> Oh. forgot.. I had a Kidney stone 2 weeks ago this coming Wednesday. NOT FUN.
[14:59:17] <jdh> that also sucks.
[14:59:41] <Jymmm> Connor: Blue Afghani, Blue Cheese, Blue Widow; Helps relax, Controls pain, tiny high.
[15:00:12] <Jymmm> Connor: http://www.fusionmedicalmarijuana.com/listings/blue-afghani-strain/
[15:00:19] <Connor> OKay, so, advice for cutting 1/8" Lexan? I have 2 options.. Table saw.. Or score with heavy duty razor knife.
[15:00:38] <jdh> router?
[15:00:47] <skunkworks> Connor, acupuncture
[15:00:56] <Jymmm> Connor: score and snap can be a PITA. tablesaw
[15:01:01] <Connor> jdh: Option too.. but.. more of a PITA.
[15:01:03] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Not effective
[15:01:25] <skunkworks> Jymmm, unfortunate
[15:01:36] <Connor> Yea.. I was thinking table saw might be better.
[15:01:49] <Connor> For the 3mm PVC, scoring worked great.
[15:02:00] <Jymmm> skunkworks: needles are good for area pain, as they stimulate blood flow to help healing. But this is nerve system fucking with the body/brain
[15:02:03] <Connor> table saw would have been way overkill
[15:02:13] <skunkworks> Jymmm, yeck
[15:02:20] <PetefromTn> tablesaw...
[15:02:31] <Connor> yea.. and worse thing is, any other type of pain, is magnified..
[15:02:44] <Jymmm> skunkworks: There comes a point where your body is actually addidcted to the pain and goes into withdrawl sysmtoms
[15:03:09] <Connor> She had a herniated cervical disk that was causing pain in her left elbow.. was 10x worse than normal.
[15:03:51] <Jymmm> Connor: When she gets on Norco/Hydrocodone, there can actuall be more effect within 2-15 minutes: Blue Afghani, Blue Cheese, Blue Widow; Helps relax, Controls pain, tiny high.
[15:04:41] <Connor> and, it vicious cycle.. the more pain, less sleep, less quality of sleep.. more tiered, more pain.. repeat..
[15:04:46] <Jymmm> Connor: And I'm only talking one, maybe two hits.
[15:05:45] <JesusAlos> yep
[15:06:01] <Jymmm> Connor: http://www.leafly.com/indica/afghani
[15:07:18] <Jymmm> http://www.leafly.com/hybrid/blue-cheese
[15:08:48] <Jymmm> Connor: There are editbles too
[15:13:00] <Jymmm> Connor: Where are you?
[15:29:39] <JesusAlos> I thinking
[15:29:39] <JesusAlos> I need move in manual mode two axys
[15:29:39] <JesusAlos> XU
[15:29:39] <JesusAlos> in jog manual mode
[15:30:11] <JesusAlos> understand me?
[15:32:02] <jdh> axes or joints
[15:45:08] <JesusAlos> I need move manually jog two axys
[15:45:11] <JesusAlos> XU
[15:45:19] <JesusAlos> Any info about
[15:50:16] <cpresser> JesusAlos: i dont see your problem. why cant you jog more than one axis?
[15:51:02] <JesusAlos> I need move axys at same time
[15:51:21] <JesusAlos> You undestand me?
[15:51:54] <JesusAlos> in jog mode
[15:52:02] <cpresser> relative to each other?
[15:52:25] <JesusAlos> not necesary
[15:53:03] <cpresser> the press tow arrow-keys on the keyboard at the same time. done
[15:53:15] <cpresser> this already works with linuxcnc
[15:54:35] <JesusAlos> iI think the arrows is for XYZ axys
[15:54:53] <JesusAlos> I need XU axys at same time
[15:55:01] <JesusAlos> and YV
[15:55:20] <alex_joni> use halui
[15:55:21] <cpresser> then configure buttons for each of those axes
[15:55:33] <cpresser> either in the axis-gui or use some halui-magic
[16:04:29] <JesusAlos> cpresser: I think something like this
[16:04:30] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/275790
[16:04:46] <JesusAlos> where I must start? eny link to info?
[16:05:16] <cpresser> i would search next to the source of this screenshot
[16:06:32] <Jymmm> Connor: Expect LYRIC to be suggested too, but be real careful about that (horror stories iirc)
[16:06:44] <JesusAlos> no
[16:06:57] <JesusAlos> I modified the screenshot
[16:07:05] <JesusAlos> with gimp
[16:07:10] <JesusAlos> is only example
[16:10:32] <_DJ_> gn8
[17:14:32] <andypugh> I am puzzled by these Hall sensors.
[17:16:09] <andypugh> Voltmeter between GND and the sense lines shows no change. Voltmeter between the sense lines and +5V shows them changing. So, the same pin can show 0V between +5 and 0V.
[17:16:59] <andypugh> Having typed that out, I guess that means that the pins are open drain?
[17:20:19] <KimK> Sounds good to me
[17:20:38] <KimK> But then, I just got here
[17:39:50] <JT_Shop> I remember a Chinese AC servo/drive that someone used on here but can't remember the link :(
[17:43:48] <MacGalempsy> evening guys
[17:44:15] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: finally got all the wires figured out. finishing up all the wiring tonight, then onto the firmware
[17:44:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.motionking.com/Products/AC_Servo_Motors/index.htm?gclid=CILElrakzLoCFaZcMgodYyYAEw
[17:44:46] <KimK> Hi JT. Chinese but other than Keling? ( http://www.kelinginc.net now changing to http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/ )
[17:45:34] <andypugh> JT_Shop: Teco?
[17:49:04] <CaptHindsight> Delta is actually out of Taiwan http://www.delta.com.tw/product/em/download/download_main.asp?act=3&pid=2&cid=1&tpid=5
[17:49:50] <CaptHindsight> thats the one that Keiling / Automation Technologies sells
[17:49:52] <JT_Shop> andypugh, I think it was a different brand than Teco...
[17:50:08] <JT_Shop> maybe a flea bay seller or something
[17:50:16] <JT_Shop> damn sometimers
[17:50:47] <JT_Shop> might have been rob_h that told me about them
[17:51:00] <CaptHindsight> JT_Shop: looking for Chinese servo suppliers or just that one in particular?
[17:51:17] <JT_Shop> looking for cost effective servos
[17:53:38] <JT_Shop> dang about 100 hits for automation technologies
[17:54:14] <JT_Shop> ah Keiling did the trick
[17:54:40] <CaptHindsight> he doesn't have too much in stock for AC servos
[17:54:41] <JT_Shop> doesn't seem to have much in stock
[17:56:35] <JT_Shop> I'm being paged, see you guys later
[17:57:40] <rob_h> JT_Shop, servos or spindle?
[17:58:15] <rob_h> u prob gone, i catch you some other time,
[18:01:53] <jthornton> I'm here!
[18:01:59] <jthornton> servos rob_h
[18:03:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.estun.com/en/category/ac-servo-system-motion-control-system/ac-servo-motors.html they are the OEM
[18:04:09] <rob_h> yes them there is a seller in US i cant rember with out looking who
[18:04:26] <jthornton> ok no problem
[18:04:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.anaheimautomation.com/ stocks Estun
[18:06:29] <rob_h> yea that website looks right, thats there US importer
[18:06:45] <rob_h> u want EMG range
[18:06:57] <jthornton> anahiem automation?
[18:07:14] <MacGalempsy> guys, I ran the halcmd show pins and the return came back blank. any ideas?
[18:07:19] <rob_h> pronet drive.. but they droped older drives now i belive
[18:08:09] <PCW> MacGalempsy: not running linuxcnc?
[18:08:13] <rob_h> how many Nm u need?
[18:08:39] <MacGalempsy> yes trying to
[18:08:52] <rob_h> 200v or 400v 3phase
[18:09:11] <PCW> linuxcnc needs to be running to run halcmd
[18:09:11] <jthornton> I'm not sure for this application, but low power similar to nema 23 stepper size
[18:09:21] <jthornton> 120v single phase is best
[18:10:08] <andypugh> PCW: The multimeter shows 0.3 to 19V swing on inputs 0 1 and 2 of the 7i76, but I am not seeing any change in the HAL pin values. I wonder what the problem might be?
[18:11:04] <PCW> possibly you have the encoder option enabled?
[18:11:12] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: what brand were those AC servos you found? ~nema23 2-4Nm
[18:11:34] <rob_h> quite small servos then 2nm
[18:11:42] <rob_h> is that peak Nm or rated Nm
[18:11:53] <andypugh> Omron?
[18:12:31] <CaptHindsight> think so
[18:13:42] <jthornton> andypugh, was that a used servo or new?
[18:14:36] <andypugh> jthornton: Neither?
[18:15:04] <andypugh> If I am answering the question I think I am answering, then I just found the data sheet
[18:15:35] <jthornton> ah ok
[18:17:12] <PCW> also make sure you have a common ground sine the 7I76 I/O is floating
[18:17:21] <PCW> since
[18:17:59] <andypugh> It seems to be working in software mode 2 (I decided to check the analogue voltages).
[18:18:12] <andypugh> I ought to try zero again...
[18:27:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.orientalmotor.com/products/servo-motors/index.html another option, they stock near Chicago
[18:29:19] <jthornton> thanks
[18:29:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.orientalmotor.com/support/motor-sizing.html might come in handy as well
[18:29:52] <CaptHindsight> registration required :(
[18:30:57] <PCW> Andy: Unfortunately had to change the BISS interface registers a bit
[18:31:39] <PCW> needed more control bits so the control register has been split into 2 registers
[18:31:56] <PCW> and digital input filter added
[18:32:13] <PCW> and a host of bugs fixed
[18:35:52] <PCW> and sample data BISS data output added for loopback testing
[18:38:13] <andypugh> Do you have any arbitrary-bitlength modules that do send and recieve?
[18:38:50] <andypugh> (Thinking about that Yaskawa Mechatrolink
[18:39:21] <PCW> I think Mechatrolink has fixed packet sizes
[18:39:30] <PCW> 17 and 32?
[18:39:36] <PCW> (bytes)
[18:39:57] <andypugh> Maybe, but I was wondering if there was anything that could be configured to work.
[18:40:50] <PCW> possibly but Ive avoided registering (you cant get tech info without registering)
[18:41:00] <andypugh> Ah, OK.
[18:41:34] <PCW> if its just 10 MB RS-485 (Ver II) it may well be possible to do it with the UART
[18:41:45] <andypugh> Someone is trying to pay me to do LinuxCNC stuff again. Folk don't seem to "get" how anyone might actually want to avoid being paid for something.
[18:42:19] <andypugh> I thought the UART was 8-bit. But maybe Mechatrolink is too, but multi-byute
[18:43:18] <PCW> Im sure its all possible but this register to get info on an "open" standard doesn't smell right
[18:44:39] <PCW> maybe its just a normal UART (seems like T12's Mitsubishi encoders are just a UART as well)
[18:45:20] <PCW> high speed but still just a UART
[18:45:54] <andypugh> I was reading it wrong, it is a multi-byte protocol.
[18:46:05] <andypugh> So yes, maybe the UART
[18:50:08] <PCW> I have so UART/SPI work to do (add autosend/timerstart)
[18:50:14] <PCW> some
[18:51:06] <PCW> this will make the Mitsubishi encoders work like SSI,BISS,Fanuc
[18:54:11] <PCW> I realized last week or so that its trivial to add autosend to the UART or SPI (just stop up output end of FIFO load autosend data and remember /restore FIFO pointers to autosend)
[19:00:04] <andypugh> If you send me the regmap then it shouldn't be too hard to sort out the new BISS.
[19:17:56] <WalterN> bleh
[19:18:23] <WalterN> now I need to figure out how to C-axes on this fanuc O-T controller
[19:19:51] <WalterN> M54 is C axes gear on, and M55 is to turn it off
[19:20:28] <WalterN> the book that came with the machine is basically non existent, and I cant find one online
[19:40:10] <uw> "what the faunc"
[19:50:52] <WalterN> right
[19:50:57] <WalterN> I am kinda derp
[19:51:18] <WalterN> G00 C90 (or whatever C value I wanted) did it
[19:51:50] <WalterN> it was probably just trying to turn in C really slowly, as the previous command was a G01
[19:57:45] <WalterN> yeah
[19:58:22] <WalterN> herpaderp
[20:15:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20131104-turn-your-3d-printer-into-an-instant-laser-cutter.html
[20:16:21] <CaptHindsight> http://jtechphotonics.com/?product=1-7w-445nm-laser-diode-and-2-0-amp-adjustable-driver-kit
[21:50:19] <Tom_itx> Jymmm can you access ntop thru putty?
[21:50:33] <Tom_itx> or do you need to be on the installed machine
[21:50:59] <Tom_itx> i put it on my ubuntu box but wanted to add it to my debian server since it's on 24/7
[22:44:16] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: via a browser